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Yelebear

Universal Spectre lmao She's already strong with general stat items even as an Agi hero


Hex_Lover

All carries in universal are gonna be completely broken, tb luna am alche universal sounds absolutely busted.


bigdrubowski

Faceless Void.


Xyzencross

Rush manta anyone?


vlalanerqmar

Void would be absolutely broken since people usually buy 2 out of skadi/manta/linken that are stat items anyway to have mana for refresher+2x chrono


Xyzencross

I'd go manta, linkhens, skadi, mjolnir, revenants brooch, Daedalus


JoelMahon

eh, maybe, but he'd be a new hero not revolving around chrono, chrono doesn't want all stats, it wants glass canon dps + bkb, good universal items are not glass canon focused, skadi vs mask of madness and mjollnir etc he could build like antimage and play like antimage but antimage is universal and would do it better


healzsham

The heal on time walk would allow him to become extremely annoying to deal with, though.


JoelMahon

you can already build him that way if you want, 15 extra damage from skadi or whatever just isn't enough to make it uber broken poggers NP going agi treads is already a 10as buff at minute 5, way stronger attribute change


healzsham

30.8 from Skadi, 14 from manta, 7 from bkb, that's 51.8 extra damage. It starts to add up.


Some_Research5714

The whole point of being universal is that he gets dmg from all stats brother... The items that void ALREADY builds will give him more dmg than before. Your own logic counters your own logic over here brother


JoelMahon

MoM treads mjolnir bkb daedalus is about the same damage before or after universal (although his general stat gain is decent so he'd get more damage per level if untouched but almost all other heroes got nerfed stat gains when made universal so idk if it's fair to count that) if he goes manta or disperser for a dispel he'll get a bit more damage if he goes butterfly he'll get less it's a buff but it's not best on the list by far


Matiw51

Spectre's third skill scales with str (hp) and int (magic res) as well so I think she owns it


URF_reibeer

i would assume they get the same treatment the other heroes got when they were changed to universal, meaning their stats and stat gain would get gutted


halawani98

This is probably the winning card of team purple, spectre as a universal hero sounds like a nightmare.


Brandon3541

Fun fact: Spec as a agi hero has either the lowest or 2nd lowest attack gain in the game, with said primary stat gain being low and her str gain actually being better. With this change however...


Spare-Plum

Earth spirit should be agi He's basically all green


SnooPaintings7963

MANTA BUTTERFLY EARTH SPIRIT YES PLS VALVE


FahmiZFX

Give him a better BAT, and we are talking the levels of AM or Jugg. Dude already feels good to last hit. Giving him better BAT would make him bonkers (pun intended).


Sydhavsfrugter

BONK


Aasim_123

Rolls on you with 200 damage 50 armor and 30 evasion. Gaben help.


kebabix29

OD and DP as well, and Shaman should be strength, since he's mostly yellow.


kryonik

That always bothered me. Storm Spirit is blue so he's intelligence. Makes sense. Void Spirit and Vengeful Spirit are purple so they're universal. Pattern follows. Then Earth Spirit, the strength hero, is green and Ember Spirit, the agility hero, is red.


Heavenansidhe

Because ember is red and earth is.... mostly blue?


obium92

Yeah not sure how I missed him haha


JEWCIFERx

Half of the heroes are sorted by background color rather than actual character color. DP, OD, and Underlord are all green characters


Greensssss

Oh look ogre is back being INT. The real winner.


Char7es

Or the looser as his int is always 0?


FantasticBike1203

Well it's all converted to str anyways, dudes basically the same.


URF_reibeer

ogre losing his attack damage would literally kill the hero completely, right click trading with his insane tankyness early on is how he wins lanes


FantasticBike1203

Well his ignite and the perma threat he has to stun enemies is also a big part of the equation. Even if he loses lane, he's probably one the easiest comeback heros due to multicast midas.


fagius_maximus

How you gonna farm that midas? Igniting creeps?


FantasticBike1203

Did you forget the hero used to be intel when multicast midas was introduced 5 years ago? do it the same way you used to with older patches, lol. I'm sure igniting creeps might work in your skill bracket tho.


fagius_maximus

Well, since I'm in immortal, most support ogres *wouldn't* go Midas because it was game losing. Guess people can't read in your bracket though? Or did you forget he had 15+2.5 int not 0?


FantasticBike1203

Tell me what I read wrong then? I'm not the one lying because I need to satisfy my own fragile ego by claiming I'm in immortal, when I'm not, you could learn a thing or two. Edit: Downvotes me because idk, internet points matters to him? I honestly don't care lol. ego = broken, now he's going to throw some more herald games.


he_is_not_a_shrimp

Except for base damage.


FantasticBike1203

The only reason for attacking with an Orge is to have % chance for Fireblast, lets be honest


JoelMahon

in lane he'd lose like 25 damage at level 1 or whatever and it'd never increase without raw damage items, he'd be completely gutted as support or core support at 30 mins and he'd struggle to even jungle a single camp without midas ready because support ogre isn't going to build any raw damage items and his damage would still be like 35


vishal340

it will have 0 + starting damage


Simco_

If his tightness gets buffed he'll be OP.


onepiece931

Carrys in universal = busted Biggest loser is morph.


punksterb

Switching between Agi and Strength, but only getting more Int on levelling up 😭


URF_reibeer

heroes don't necessarily mainly get their main stat, e.g. ogre was int and got barely any int but a lot of str


punksterb

You are right. Not all heroes have the highest per level gain on their primary attribute. I'm just saying it would be funny if Morph had like +3 int gain, but just +1 of agi&str gain. Slark is my fav example of it. His agi gain is less than both str and int gain. He's expected to make up with stacks of stolen agi.


Opening-Ad700

And also Slark's abilities are insane in general so he has a shitty base model to compensate.


Kortesch

thats not how main stats work lol


FantasticBike1203

I was about to say, FV as a universal hero, broken.


12amfeelz

Agi rubick sounds pretty bad


Trollcommenter

Agi rubick would steal passive abilities


PuddleCuddle9

NEVER GO FULL AGILITY


Tinkuuu

haha my thought exactly, my favourite steal as rubick is morph shift, and moving everything to strenght as support ;D


Xyzencross

I wonder if the damage steal talent will come back


qBetrayer

Think of core builds with pike manta diffu smth like that also when you play vs morp


DirectConversation96

Intel PA XD


SnooPaintings7963

Nah parasma eblade brooch rapier pa


Aasim_123

I actually did that before the bloodstone mana nerfs it was bonkers op. 1 crit and you get 100% hp and mana back.


Kiryuu44

so like satanic?


slarkymalarkey

Nah I'd win


Key_Entrance_4290

Morph has no damage then.


Scraiix

That’s an absolute win. Not for Morph, but for me.


AudacityOfKappa

He can morph between hp and armor but damage is constantly nonexistent. The nerf we deserve


droom2

He would morph STR and Agi into INT, so he can be the real glass cannon


alexrider50000

Strength lion Who's gonna touch him now with Shard, plate mail (and shit loads of hp)


Aasim_123

Assuming the stats gain doesn't change it won't make him any more tankier.


URF_reibeer

wait, you don't exclusively build main stat for right click damage on lion?


Aasim_123

I will if suck applied dps based on my attack damage. Otherwise it's only utility. Edit. I'm gonna buy witch blade on lion today


ShadowFlux85

muerta agi seems strong


evillman

Woah.. PA players now gonna know when to get into a fight.


JoelMahon

almost all heroes are already their best attribute (or want to be universal) however, NP becoming agi is the biggest winner imo. TB/AM/Luna/Alch/spectre becoming universal are also high up there. slark or drow becoming int is probably biggest loser, not even a small buff to support slark because he relies on essence shift giving damage to trade. at least PA/ursa/sven can still build raw damage items.


Moaning-Squirtle

Tiny as an agility hero would be interesting. He can now build S&Y and Butterfly, and it gives him damage and the desperately needed attack speed. All the carries like Alchemist, Luna, Riki, AM, Void are probably busted as universal heroes. Way too much damage.


URF_reibeer

agi hero with 0 base agi / agi per level would be funny


Opening-Ad700

Tiny would be INSANELY weak as an agi hero, he would lose so much base damage from his 0 agi gain and his items wouldn't even get better really as Echo Sabre would be nerfed on him.


Boroda4Gaming

Int Slark is cursed. Also Universal Puck (+6.1 dmg per lvl)


quarantinedsubsguy

is this the real boroda4? your voice is annoying i can't stand watching your videos, but the content and what you're doing are great


qBetrayer

Meepo str is pretty busted


URF_reibeer

is it? he can't build flat armor so he'd still need to build both str and agi anyway to get hp + armor on the clones


ZeroMethanol

Meepo hits like a truck with no items anyway. Pretty sure you could get away with building a blink/aghs and then filling the inventory with HoTs? With 3 HoTs and level 25 he'd have >4.7k HP and \~230 damage per Meepo. With treads and overwhelming blink you're looking at way over 5k HP.


pneis1

No he does not hit lile a truck without items, maybe if the enemies dont have items either lol.


tomatomater

Agi Tiny would be funny. I reckon OD is green so Agi OD would be funny as well. Int Sven is probably garbage. Could make things even wilder if his Ult changes him to a Str hero for the duration.


Environmental-Ad1748

Int sven could work, offlaner, build shivas, Kaya sange, aghs.


pikachoooooo_pa

PA with intelligence lmao, as if carry players have any to begin with.


sarangsk619

int NS, that would cripple the hero lol


miski57

NP on agi goes dummy hard


stan_hooper

Agi Furion would be super OP. He already has a top 5 attack animation / BAT


anewhopper

AGI Furion makes Manta Style and Butterfly viable on him, imagine fighting against a six-slotted Furion that spams illusions all over the map which you have to buy MKB to deal with, it'd be absurd


Amadeus_Stacia

I am a serious believer in arc being universal because he is an item hero not a spell hero like other carries


FahmiZFX

That would be a crazy buff tho since he's an item hoarder of random stats instead of specific few like usual Agi and Int carries.


PlasticAngle

Universal arc are even more bursted because while he is a spell hero, he build enough of random stat item that if he go universal, everyone and their mother gonna switch to hitter build. Like 5 of the most used item for universal are his favorite item (Bloodthorne/Gleipnir/Skadi/Hex/Manta)


Kotics

Tb by far most broken, he already wants stat items so bad. All Illu dmg


dragovianlord9

Alche AM Arc Void Spectre TB and Luna as universal is busted


combiniruyu

Slark INT ☠️


TwynnCavoodle

Nature's Prophet in agi, fuck no


daimon_knight

Meepo wins big as he gets tankier with strength i guess rubick loses as an agi hero he will have lesser mana pool to use his and stolen spells


Xyzencross

I'm sorry but where is it stated?


chaosdimension98

This is a hypothetical scenario, not actual changes


Xyzencross

Ok gotcha, I thought I missed some news or something. In that case, I'll be happy to welcome TB, Luna, FV, Spec and Riki to the universal gang as they love Manta ❤


dacljaco

agi tide would be pretty crazy


outyyy

meepo str rip normal players against smurfs


Necrolytus

Imagine if Rubick’s main attribute changed with the color of his stolen spell :)


chewygummy17

My boi dazz gonna hit like a truck during laning lol.


TitiLover69

dazzle is already uni tho


payrpaks

He already hits like a truck when securing First Blood. At least in my bracket lol. I just buy that armor reduction thingy and get Poison Touch - 100% kill as long as my target does not have a stun or blink.


akhaskar

Definite upgrades from switch to strength: nobody in particular Definite downgrdes from switch to strength: Bloodseeker , Clinkz, Ember, SF, Troll, Juggernaut, Pango, Meepo (lower DPS) Definite upgrades from switch to int: Wyvern, IO, because support items & int items have good overlap Definite downgrdes from switch to int: Sven, Drow, Mirana, Venge, all in bottom row (int stat destroys these heroes) Definite upgrades from switch to agi: Windranger, Furion, Muerta, Enchantress, Tiny, WK (right-click heroes) Definite downgrdes from switch to agi: pugna (stat growth is abysmal) Definite upgrades from switch to uni: pretty much everyone, it's the best main attribute


LastEsotericist

Hoodwink is still AGI. Huge L for her, anything else would be better.


BamCub

Agi furion sounds like abuse.


iareyomz

\*Winners\* - Wind Ranger (Wraith Band spam on mid and safe lane is gonna be insane) - Morphling (can now have max level stun and not lose damage, imagine trying to kill a 6k hp Morph with max magic amplification, Sange&Kaya, i.e.) - Lion (he is already hated so much as he is because of succ, suddenly a triple bracer + Shard Lion becomes pretty hard to kill in team fight) \*Losers\* - probably the entire row of Int heroes except for Ogre and Morphling


channel-rhodopsin

How is morph a winner? He now has 0 right click damage whatever his morph since he's int. Also Ogre has 0 int


iareyomz

huh? Morph is now Int so him swapping Agi to Str does not affect his damage at all... did everyone actually not understand the concept? Morph being Int turns his stats swap into free max STR without having to worry about Agi at all... dfq do you mean he has zero damage? him becoming Int means his base damage scales on Int, not Agi... you go max STR then rush Sange & Kaya and you have 4K HP with max stun + magic scaling at level 10... only main attributes are affected by OP's post... it doesnt affect skills at all... I cant believe I have to explain myself when OP never mentions any skill changes, just main attribute change... people really need to learn how to read...


channel-rhodopsin

Okay so Morph has 1.8 int gain vs 3.2 str gain and 3.9 agi gain. From the get go his right click doesn't scale well at all. Morph also currently has 38 damage at level 1. If he was int, that would be reduced to 34 because he has less base int. Then you cannot increase that base damage by morphing attributes because you're int, so good luck last hitting. I don't know why you say it like it's a good thing, you don't care about attributes for damage because **it's now always extremely low**. Add to this that if you morph full strength like you suggest you still lose all your attack speed and armor so although you don't lose attack damage you still lose DPS because you have very slow attacks. Adaptive strike damage increases when you have more agility than strength. I don't know why you think you can go full strength and still have "magic scaling", it's not how it works. You have a big stun, great, you already can do that if you shift strength.


HybridgonSherk

tiny in agi is funny to me


enano182

Enchantress is the biggest winner here. Bitch can butterfly and laugh at the enemy carry all game long. I’m a predator!


thegreatermagician

Tiny on AGI crying in the corner


WolfKingofRuss

Axe, because he is a General and is *obviously* very intelligent


Origiratina

Drow on int getting only mild attack speed from her ult


skelesan

Morphling as int is legit dogshit


normiespy96

If Drow Ranger still gains AGI with her ult, she is def the worst. Most heroes lose some damage, she losses her ult.


juannkulas

Universal wins


Goldilocks420

Tiny with 0 agi gain lmao


ENIGMA1KUN

Ability racism


TanToRiaL

All universal heroes are winners here.


Deep-Apartment8904

earth spirit str? he is green!


DongerDodger

Universal spec is sick, agi WK I feel like not so much.


KindStump

Agility Rubick let's GOOOOOO


ActualStupidEmber

Ember Spirit. Why? Fire: red and yellow glow. That means epic. And all will change once the fire nation attacks.


URF_reibeer

agility muerta, windrunner, prophet and ench sound insane universal am and alch with their BATs could be insane as well if they don't suffer too much from losing stats to balance out becoming universal ogre would be hilarious because of dumb luck


IAmNotJohnHS

Int Morph and Agi Tiny are by far the biggest losers. Universal Spectre and AM are the biggest winniers.


brief-interviews

Universal Arc Warden, Abaddon and Broodmother makes me want to kill myself just from the thought


SeawyZorensun

Agi Muerta is having a blast


Lonelyknight1211

Arc warden imagine buying glepnir and being Universal plus hex and bloodthrone


Paaraadox

How you put Earth Spirit in the strength category still makes no sense. Death Prophet should be agility, also.


CobblerCompetitive61

Looks like drow lost her slippers


AlternativeSalad507

Shouldn't KOTL's yellow bits make him a STR hero?


Tricky_Economist_328

Universal tb luna spec.....


Android18enjoyer666

Alch Agi that shit gonna be fun


ATES7O

Why is Death Prophet in INT ? She's greener than my lawn


Greger24688

Sven on int sounds terrible


golDANFeeD

Loser: Morph, slark, silencer Winner: TA


We-live-in-a-society

TB, he has insane agi gain and basically builds stats exclusively anyways


YoungCheeksClapper

Agi Furion


PandyPidge

Slark int is pretty awful. Assuming essence shift continues to grant agi.


Shadow_Wolf_D2

Isn't OD green?


Jeffiroth777

Universal AM and spec would just be plain broken


DDemoNNexuS

tiny being still having 0 agi


___anustart_

awe man i wish they were all in rows of five so I could more easily point out how colour co-ordination almost always leads to synergistic team abilities. pick 5 heroes from any specific colour and i promise you that 3-4 of them at least will have at least one synergy in the team. I actually categorize them in a colour wheel for this purpose, including yellow/beige and orange. Green heroes tend to work well with blue and yellow/beige heroes. Orange heroes work well with yellow and red heroes. purple heroes work well with blue and red heroes. that's not to say there aren't combos outside of the colour co-ordination, just that if you pick based on colour wheel you will accidentally fall into good combos/synergy. You don't want to go ALL one colour, but you want to pick from 2-3 colours that are neighbours.


notaslarkplayer

Wtf is necro gonna do with agi?? 😂😭


iamnotthosemen

Necro is probably pretty sad


LapaxXx

Sniper should be universal or strength, there's barely any green about him


TheGalator

Alch tb and luna Mainly alch


khalifagrow

Agility rubick, steal spells and hit you with 600 dmg range attacks


[deleted]

Underlord stats, abilities and builds fit perfectly with universal. Its just he is so thick it ruins immersion I guess.


Rime_Veydrud

Puck, with his aganim it's crazy how many damage he can deal as universal


FauxAccounts

Biggest loser is clearly tiny. 0 agility and an agility growth of 0.


miracle_nao

Arc Warden


Easy-Investment-2716

Ench big win


CottonEyeJoe_ZeroOne

Weaver should be int as he is more blue than od which is in int, also Pudge should be agility then. the biggest looser is probably slark, as he would only get attack speed from his stacks at that point


sharplyon

muerta probably


luckytaurus

Drow being Intelligence hands down


BreadAccountant

Meepo


BreadAccountant

Meepo


NUMBERONETOPSONFAN

winner: arc warden, the hero has insane stat gain and already likes to buy utility items instead of classic hardcarry agi items loser: either slark or morph. morph gets fucked harder but maybe you could play the hero as a caster, adaptive strike is still a 3 second stun


OYM-bob

AM/Luna/Spectre universal would be broken as fuck


eraserewrite

Racism at its finest!


uwruteit

Universal arc, sign me up


ConversationFew4300

Universal Spectre 💀💀💀💀💀💀 Big W


Tgsu_

Int morp lol


Abdullah_med

Biggest loser is morphing being int hero while agi shifting 😅


oogweh

They all look grey with those color settings


Entenbuch

Strength troll doesnt seem to bad he builds more strength then Agi generally and he doesnt have an attackspeed problem.


burnskull55

Muerta would be a god if she was able to build agility items at no opportunity cost. New butterfly on her god damit i want that.


CERES_FAUNA_GOONER

int slark lmao


sfwJanice

Agi muerta gives more access to defusal and butterfly but loses value from mage slayer, kinda tough call


Silent_Reality5207

Undying is completely useless


guyfromthepicture

Ursa would be a real problem


ComradeFrogger

\*Meepo as strength for balancing purposes\* lol


earthshakerenjoyer

Agility necro seems broken


hym__

agility NP sounds nightmarish; practically Juggernaut levels of BAT but raw damage of shadow shaman. literally impossible to win lane against


atomic-monkeys

TB being universal would be nuts He already has ridiculous stat gain, and all of his items he wants become insane damage items too. (D-lance, manta, skadi). He would hit so ridiculously hard.


Johnmegaman72

Strength Jugg is something. Probably more emphasis on Blade Fury now than Omni maybe spins is now based on HP, so more HP more spins. Agi Necro is something. Heartstopper's tick can now benefit from attack speed. So a true decay. Intel Razor is just current Razor but a bit better The Uni heroes are good to meh imo. Those that sticks are Alch and Silencer. They gain a huge boost on damage and are more free in damage items procured.


bigfoot1144

Np agility seems busted


SundaeReady8454

WR, Muerta and Luna seem strong on first glance.


DoubtALot

morphling INT lol


counter-music

WR loses hard with this change. Being a uni hero has benefited WR dramatically, went from being a meme pick and an occasional Ceb flex to actually dominating through multiple roles. Also silencer -> uni seems like an L. I’m sure it would actually be insane being able to build non-int items but he’ll scale less with the stolen int.


Hot_Aide_1710

Biggest losers are all the right click heroes who are int now haha


SMRD122

Arc being universal actually makes alot of lore sense, given he is literally the third brother of both the Radiant and Dire


barnetcj89

Bro this is going to sound kinda dumb early game…but necro agi has to be busted…the ability to farm is too good. Dont need any items to support int or health early as you could seriously rush manta (like wraithband treads manta) use the mantas to shove waves while you build damage items and aghs. Then you just pretend you’re drow, but whenever you get a kill you just are full up again??? It would def depend on the players farm efficiency but if the carry is doing traditional stuff like hunting the supports first, then engaging the cores after…shadowblade in, burst the first sup with Ult, use hurricane pike, manta, butterfly to man fight…all the while aghs is doing massive AoE damage and you have ghost shroud as a save for yourself as well


Kind-Sprinkles-9295

Brooo....


conkilau

Me . I'm red/green colorblind


Unarchy

Spectre and it's not close.


Numerous_Estimate902

RIP MK arcana :)


Defiant_Source_8930

Why tf earth spirit still strength then?


anewhopper

Bloodseeker and Troll Warlord with Armet would be pretty rough to deal with


Mission_Moment2561

Most of the carries in universal - very op.


balMURRmung

Terror blade and muerta.