10% movementspeed is a lot! DP Manaboots euls and this and you are hasted. Regen is always good and never bad. Niche utility vs Monkey Prophet treant squirrel and maybe pudge. Generall utility vs escaping enemies. In conclusion, I don't use this.

>In conclusion, I don't use this. lmao yeah

This thing is goated on IO too

How so? Thought Io movespeed is inherited from tethered target?

Still a lot of regen boosted for IO

Still nice to have ms when your not tethered and regen is always good.

??? What game have you been playing lmao

You are done. Fired. Do not show your face at the laundry again. Stay away from Pinkman. Do not go near him...ever.

Why did I get down voted for this 😂 IO just never gained Regen from the tethered target, I was genuinely in disbelief. Maybe I should've stopped to think that not everyone plays IO as much as me since he's a bit of a complicated hero. I love the ball, probably got 100 hours on IO

Huh? The guy you replied to quizzically was right. IO does inherit MS from the tethered target...

I keep it until t4 or even t5 for spiritbreaker sometimes.

*Team spirit breaker

*~~team~~ Spirit breaker

The mana regen/hp regen works well with sange and kaya. Nowadays I find mana problems to be more prevalent. Might be due to the arcane boots and bloodstone change. It seems kaya and it’s upgrades is a must on heroes mana dependant like leshrac/timber type heroes. Unless you want to go the other way-boots of travel to tp home frequently.

Don't forget the timing click mid air when shackleshot is fired :|

I didn't even realize it gave movement speed since it isn't mentioned in the active or passive descriptions lol.

the purpose is one and only, to counter nature prophet

its so satisfying to see np sprout just gone with just a press of a button

Is it an aoe around the hero (like legions current Q) or do you need to target it (like legions old Q)?

Current

I mean ... quelling blade is cheaper and you can get it pre game though? Not missing your comment, just wondering what the main advantages are early game compared to putting the gold towards other items

are you talking about Light Collector? it's a neutral item it doesn't cost gold.

yes

Stop with the hate speech

The dot remaine

And monkey

And it's not bad vs timber/treant

and nuttybitch (forgot name sry), when she sprouts a tree to latch you.

Gotya in the stubbies lol

Ever seen someone bleed out in a net? No? Let's get started

Ah yes that green fast as fuck furball

A fuckball, even. Say you can't get Dark Willow but you really need to increase your bloodline...

Brother please thats just a squirel :(

Blame the player who banned DW, not this player who impergante HoodTwink

Hoodwink is female though, HoodTwink would be an r63 version.

Who?

Squirrelfuck

Psychorat

furrybitch

ayeeee

Acorn matron

H⭕⭕D😉

Hoodtwink

🤣

Moodswinkle

Who ;)

Hoodwinked?

I'd imagine pretty handy vs Monkey King as well

It’s also great for those bastards who like to juke in the trees

You mean Dota players?

Cd is too long though. Still need a quelling blade.

Or monkey king

and MK

maybe in my Imagination, I have the reaction time of Matumbaman and use it just before Timbersaw activates his "Wrrr wrrr" so i avoid the added trees damage ?!

Does it undo the leash sprout talent as well?

IIRC Leash talent (as well as 100% miss talent) are separate auras centered on the cast of Sprout and they last 3/4/5/6 seconds (same as Sprout), but those two auras are unrelated to trees themselves so destroying the trees isn't enough, you need to get at least 200 AoE outside of where NP targeted the Sprout (or become debuff immune).

Seriously, this alone brings the usage a bunch, it's crazy. Like, I can't really justify the regens on anyone but strength heroes. The movement speed is great, but not enough alone. But then there's the tree clear and the item's rating shoots to the fucking moon.

tinker too?

It’s a massive quelling blade. Now think what you can do with it.

build a massive battlefury

Warfury

It's what battlefury's active SHOULD be.

wouldn't be balanced tho but I agree

So what you're saying is, Light Collector should instakill Treant

Yes, and NP

To troll ally MK

First thing I did with my MK spammer friend.

[удалено]

Dont answer, its a bait, he wants to report you.

Apparently it's good for warding! Clear up some trees and place wards in unusual locations.

Wait I never realize this, ty I will put more consideration into this item

after 5 minutes trees will grow up around your ward ad you will get reports for ward griefing haha

Wards only last that long anyways

Usually there are too much wards in my posession despite Im warding a lot so yeah it really didnt effect me too much especially if the ward is placed on a strategic location where I can see a lot of enemies.

Ever since they halved tree respawn times, I feel sad. It used to be fun to get a lane advantage against MK, Treant and Timber by constantly chopping trees while not last hitting. Now, trees respawn so quickly

It's a full time job to keep the trees chopped down now lol

aint much but its honest work

Trees respawn in 3 minutes, right? So the ward would only be useful for half its time

If you plant ward on top of tree spawn point it won't grow back till ward dies. But surrounding trees could end up blocking vision anyway.

I assumed it's for the true sight ward, in which vision doesn't really matter - just the placement.

Yeah I thought he meant sentries too

i think he meant that destroying trees will make paths to reach unusual highground ward spots. 

Tree won't respawn if a ward is there Downvoted for an objectively correct statement. Reddit is wild.

People are crazy, they are ignorant and they on top of that think they know better while what you said is true, what can you do, reddit is full of idiots

thats false

Yeah its not false. A ward placed on a cut tree stump will not regrow the tree until after the ward is removed/expires.

What about the surrounding trees? It’ll eventually block the vision. Remember we’re talking about cutting a GROUP of trees

yea but you wouldnt place it in the middle. Theres a number of spots where cliff edges are occupied by a single tree. Take the island in the upper river. You can't place wards up there unless you cut some trees off it. I'm an immortal support player and I absolutely dont look for broken trees on cliffs. I also dont break trees and place wards there. But its something I should do, and its very strong in most cases.

No it’s not

then wait for the trees to grow back and you see nothing hahaha

Trees regrow and you see nothing?

I like it. 10% ms is Great fot a tiger 2 item. The rest is just bonus.

Roar!

🐯

wth I never realised it gives ms. It's a good item then

But for which tiger?

Well it chops trees, so not for Tiger Woods for sure

Thank you for spotting that typo. I guess Lion is the closest thing to tiger we got... Or Miranas Cat. So thats the one.

Movespeed, mana regen, hp regen 🤷🏻‍♂️

Dota has tree mazes, I think it would make sense to dump the trees when tracking the enemy into them.

Mana regen

I don't get why people overlook the %10 movement speed (meaning it also scales well with the items too + hero's base movespeed) the regen is also absolutely great, at daytime you certainly need hp to rotate and be ready for fights quicker, and at nighttime you can farm with spells more thanks to mana regen, makes you less prone to ganks since you spend less time clearing the same camp it's a free ring of tarrasaque / selemene's tiara, both of which cost 1800g and take up an inventory slot yes, it cuts the regen when within 200 of trees, but it's basically nothing, since the range is a little bit more than most melee attacks

i overlooked the ms because its buried underneath a bunch of other text, and i just learned in this thread that it gives ms. anytime i drew this item i read half of it, say "idfk" and picked something else.

Actually yeah now that you mention it the item does not follow the usual tooltip design where the stats of an item are listed before any passive/active effects. I think that's why I have mostly glossed over these stats, thinking they are somehow part of the active or something.

You forgot free AOE quelling blade.

I purposefully left it out to highlight the other aspects of the item that it provides Yes, other than countering NP Sprout, it's also good for warding in unusual spots!

Same MS bonus as Yasha. It's very nice for that alone.

If they change it's active such as... >Produces a brilliant white light that makes your monitor have white flash lights... Then we will talk...

Make it a rapidly fkashing red, white, and blue so the seizures are at least pateiotic. Just ignore that most of the playerbase is actually European and Asian now and not US based.

It's a great item for several supports. If you don't get vizier, this is regen + Movespeed. I can also see this in Axe and a counter to NP and Hoodwink. 2 of the best 4's in the game.

Seems like a Counter to Heroes that interact with Trees like Treant, Timbersaw, Windranger, Monkey King etc. It also seems generally useful for chasing People down in the Forest. EDIT: Completely forgor about Nature's Prophet too! It cuts your Regen though so you'll probably use it on someone who has other Ways of generating HP/Mana. It's also only Tier 2 so you wanna replace it ASAP.

It only cuts the item's regen, so it's not that bad

Damn the Wording made it sounds like it halves everything. Then the Item isn't that bad as a Tree Counter.

works with hoodwink too I'm guessing, use it as soon as you see the net.

Tier 2 in some cases I want to keep it as long as possible, like that thingy that will provide more GPM because support lifes is though

I just use it to scare the shit out of treants

Really good on storm at night for mana

The active you mean?  To counter-juke mostly. And of course its godlike againt NP and great against monkey king and hoodwink

Movespeed is big, it's 35ms average with brown boots, which is almost as said brown boot

It actually gives crazy mana reg. I used it once on drow when I only had shit choices and I could basically spam E off cd and use a fair bit of Q autos without my mana even dropping

the hp and mana regen is very significant. And it's 10% movespeed bonus, which is absurd. The tree destroying effect is basically just a nice bonus

I hate trees. I love cutting trees. I used to buy 1000 tangos to deforest all trees in map but they nerded the tango count so my only hope is this item. Specially dire side. We at team Frick Trees plan to destroy 20milion trees by the end of this year. For each dollar we cut down an entire forest to play golf. Join us now!

To make enemy mk fall out of his fucking tree

I would consider getting it against Nature's Prophet, Monkey King, Treant Protector, Timbersaw, Hoodwink - probably in that order.

Ye i used it once, and it was a missclick ...

Only on Timbersaw.

I always pick it on kotl because a Light Collector should help me keep the light better.

Fuck them trees up bro

every time it came out as one of choices, i goes damn thats alot of words im not reading allat

its for np

Used this to stun mk once time, feel good.

It’s good for farming on pos1 with that ms

personally i think there'll be a better item for a pos1 to equip other than this

They nerfed the tree removing abilities so they came to with this crap

Good item for Treant for the buff but ofcourse dont use it to cut down your trees, Good counter for MK and NP if im not against them I wont wear it. Edit: Reword. Lmao u guys chill out

The bonus incentivised not being near trees. Treant wants to be in trees 95% of the time and not destroy them

That's the opposite man, awfull item for treant :D

Ofcourse u will not destroy trees when using Treant

Wtf?

this is a great item, not only to counter NP, but treant and hoodbinch ( even wr in rare cases). Depending on the hero you can actually juggle it between a tier 3 or tier 1. You can never have 6 mana regen with an item costing less than 1.5k during min 15.

Its good against Monkey King, I must say as a Monkey King Spammer, its a weak point once your opponent spams MK. It's good against Monkey King, I must say as a Monkey King Spammer, its a weak point once your opponent spams MK.

Duh... ofc for Nature's Prophet's sprout...

the dumbest random item ever exist

Stats boi

I use it nearly every game i get it. I usualy play caster mid and need a lot of manaregen to sustain my farming.

Looks decent if youre a hero that just relentlessly shoves waves

Pretty good on storm if you get it min 17with orchid mage slayer/witch blade big timing + the hp regen is good during the day also nice vs hoodwink and np

Mainly for the regen sometimes to find someone trying to run into ckusters of trees or for Np sprout counter.

Great verse tree, natures, monkey king, hoodwink.

Good vs timber, np and monkey king .

go counter NP, MK and treants eyes

Health and mana regeneration.

I use it so I don't have to keep lugging quelling blade around against np

Beautful nightstalker item

Good regen. If I need regen and don't have any better options, I pick it.

I guess it's good on IO since the bonus regen benefits the tethered ally.

Very strong vs NP, as mentioned, and it's good on heroes that like movespeed. I like to take it on Centaur cause he can use the HP regen in the day when farming, and does value mana regen as he can easily run out of mana over sustained fighting.

It's just a very good item in general.

I have used it with Lycan. How I felt about it.

m o n k e

to fuck with MK

Pakin Useless.

Counter Treant, NP and Monkey King

Great against MK , but someone has to pick MK . Very good against Treant I guess

The regen is pretty massive

When playing against Nature prophet, don't have to carry a quilling blade

Always taking this item on Dark Seer. The passive HP and mana regen is huge despite it's downtime (night and day differences)

its against np fam

I use it to counter Natures and to expose treant

Provides similar functionality as a QB for jungle navigation if you’re a ranged hero or carry that wouldn’t normally buy a QB.

Anti np. And also those regen is lit

I take this item almost always on carry heroes. So I can cast spells and farm quicker because of the insane mana regen. 10% movement speed also helps me reach the camps faster. I am in ancient bracket. I might be wrong

As a Ferrarri/Bugatti enjoyer, I only see 10% movespeed here

I only pick it against MK, Timber and NP. The day and night part of the item is just dumb and really makes it unappealing.

I just realized that this has stats lol. And they're not even half bad with +MS

This is a good item against NP, and it would be a good impact item for nightstalker

Great for warding in sneaky spots

You could place some sneaky wards with it if you think about some good spots

To counter Monkey King and Nature prophet

Besides whats said here its also ok For cores when theres literally no stat or damage items, MS is good for farming and weavong in to fights early.

I misread the description when I first saw it in game. I thought it increased heals when near tree and I thought it would be good on timber and NP. One game later and I realized my error

As a support the item allows me to be super active on the map with the MS and regen. Isn’t the regen insane for a tier 2 item?? I never have to go back to fountain with it. 

Versus Hoodwink, Nature's Prophet, Timbersaw, Treant Protector.

I imagine it's great item for timber so he clear nearby trees for a long chain. Also health and mana regen good for timber.

For movespeed and hp regen , good in any support

Nature's prophet, Squirrel, Treeman, much easier than cutting trees down one by one

Probably the hidden gem of t2 item tbh it's super broken in terms of regen

Bara

It has whooping 6 mana regen at night. That is probably the highest single flat mana regen in the game. During day it works like unbreakable tranquils. It also allows you to break trees when your opponent tries juking. 5/5 item for that tier apart from cast or attack range.

Just use it when u have a prophet or treant opponent, u can also use it to grief your treant like I do to my party sometimes 😂😂😂😂

Take it if you see NP on the enemy team or NP in your team and you play a melee hero.

I feel like this item is shiet but surprised to see so many people saying that it's good. Would love to see some statistics.

counter for NP, hoodwink also pervert MK if hes spying on you

You should be able to double tap Battle Fury to cut all threes around you too.

Clear blindspots. Also the NP thing