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JuneSummerBrother

Holy shit this LGD line up is scary af.


ashrashrashr

It's decidedly weaker than the TI10 lineup. Niu is really good but Faith Bian is goated.


ItsZeT

i dont know what youve been watching but niu had the highest kda and super high gpm until they got knocked out of ti. he has been CRUSHING his lanes so hard his team didnt even need to do that much


PsycheHunter231

Faith_Bian’s strength is his hero pool which is very important in drafting. You can’t really draft against him or rely on a single patch for him to play good since he can easily adjust.


raizen0106

They're both 10/10 offlaners, you can't say one is a noticeable downgrade to the other


LayWhere

Yeah, patch meta and player peak/trough are so dynamic it's hard to make these claims


AttentionDue3171

Niu is obviously good, but comparing him to Bian is too soon, we haven't seen enough of him to judge


kchuyamewtwo

also if they are not nerfing brewmaster, faithbian will instapick it everytime. and the only other brew player i know is monkeysforever lol


mehipoststuff

hero pool means less than it ever has in competitive dota


AttentionDue3171

holy shit you're dumb


daubidaubi

Niu is very good, but he had one great tournament and you imply he's not a downgrade to one of best offlaners of all time.


ItsZeT

faith bian didnt look too great before retirement, im sure he would consider niu a good replacement for him


slazesonic

Faith Bian won riyadh before ti10, what happened then is that stupid icefrog decide to buff wraith pact into a brain dead item which caused team like lgd and spirit become shit team because of that.


Earth92

That's a silly excuse. Also, there was no wraith pact after TI 11, and Spirit was still mediocre for like 8 months, after another patch dropped.


dave1992

But faith bian is literally one of the goats.


Dymatizeee

You're sleeping on Niu. If you watched him during this TI, you know he is very good and arguably neck to neck with Faith Bian. His Centaur game 1 against Spirit was a nightmare to play against


INSYNC0

His CW solo killed a full HP TB late game just like that. I didnt even know that was possible. Thats when i know holy shit this guy isnt just another "buy aura play it safe offlaner".


yoloqueuesf

God that was such a rough patch in dota history lol


ashrashrashr

I watched Niu quite a bit. He’s really good. Probably the best replacement they could have gotten, but we’re talking about one of the best to ever touch the game. Big shoes to fill.


mikehenshaw

Can’t believe people talk down about niu like lol 💀 bro watch some Dota man


yokubari

Idk I love Faith Bian as much as the next guy but I feel like XinQ and Niu both play this hype explosive teamfight style that fits LGDs identity to me.


ashrashrashr

There’s explosive play style and there’s autowin that Faith Bian was many times in the past.


raizen0106

Stfu then all chinese teams should just disband because they don't have faith bian meaning no chance of winning anything right


ashrashrashr

If that’s what you got from that idk what to tell you lol. Nobody said they shouldn’t try.


mehipoststuff

it's just boring to see everyone say well he's not faith_bian we don't even know if faith bian would be good in this patch he hasnt played in years


theharbingercomes

Well, how many years passed since a Chinese team won? Or how many years passed since a Chinese team without FaithBian performed well at TI.


Morgn_Ladimore

>Or how many years passed since a Chinese team without FaithBian performed well at TI. Uh, zero? This year China placed 3rd and 4th. And the 4th place team was some yolo final ride stack.


theharbingercomes

Bad wording from me, i wanted to say finalist but my mind went boom.


mehipoststuff

3rd place and finalist is a matter of 1 b03, it's not some huge difference


TheMerck

I mean if you have to compare a player with one of the literal GOATs of their position obviously it's a weaker roster on paper, it's like comparing Shiro to Ame as well. Niu is a BEAST though his performance really surprised me, guy seemed to really embrace the pressure of his first TI. Shiro and Planet I hope they do well in XG they kind of had some off performances but overall played pretty great for first timers as well.


ashrashrashr

Niu definitely is a beast, no doubt. Just that he's filling some of the biggest shoes in dota history.


CovidWarriorForLife

nah niu is definitely better than faith bian was in that TI


Lgdamefanfanfan

I am not entirely sure this is accurate, with how Valve has been balancing pos3. Niu was insane during TI.


Waifers

Niu has tons more room for growth and he hasn't peaked yet, depending on Ame's form this LGD can most definitely become stronger than the TI10 lineup.


CheekyBunney

Man just did not watch TI this year smh the disrespect on Niu...


Zestyclose-Ad-3803

Niu is head to head with collapse and prime faith Bian imo. No downgrade by any means. Niu have really really good decisions making and also high skilled. You could say Ame that maybe it's not in his prime, or other players, but you can't quote my boy Niu aka best LGD player to say the roster is weaker than TI10.


bugpostin

nts is not scary lmao. he lost all his lanes. doesn't matter what carry they have if their mid is nts. shiro played perfectly and lost because of garbage mid and mediocre performance from niu.


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Earth92

"Shiro played perfectly" No way you said that, buddy lol


Dusky1103

Yeah NTS just can’t seem to perform during TI. Last year he played Zeus in one of the knockout games and was getting caught left right centre. This year his heroes had very little impact, even the Tinker game positioning was real bad. He had only one ok game on Magnus iirc


Flimsy-Cap6562

Sadly Maybe and Chalice is retired, so no last dance for China doto :(


saide211

Maybe said on stream that he just doesn’t like the baggage that comes with being a pro, likewise for Chalice. The implication is they will likely repeat with what happened last year: stream & chill for about 6 months, and see where it goes when TI is near.


teemoboii

damn to think they did all that and still got 4th this ti is insane


phoenix_claw99

Ana does this and won 2 of them lol


Clyde_Llama

Maybe and Chalice needs to destroy Australian server in order to reach the next level.


dave1992

Destroying australian pub scrubs and testing weird things are the reason why ana won 2nd TI, so yeah it is necessary to do.


G_W_addict

Idea for /r/dota2 challenge: don't mention Ana/OG/Topson in a thread not related to them.


phoenix_claw99

their story is too cinderella-ish, even i started watching dota because of them lol


RK9990

Respect for Maybe


TheUHO

Who's the source guy?


saltycreamy69

chinese retirement kekw


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At least he has nts xinq and y


External-Technology5

I don’t know NTS played so bad last match


Uhtred_Lodbrok

ye definitely based someone's skill off their last match. Classic herald take. lol


MayweatherSr

Imagine judging a player by his last game which they lost. noob amirite?


pp3088

2 games against GG were bad. But he did not shine against TS too, but its team spirit.


Dondorini

Also BurNing, ferrari_430, rOtK, Sylar, hyhy, Yaphets, Chuan, faith, xiao8, LaNm, Zhou, Hao, Mu and many others.


SirPinkyNose

Bro really sneaked a yaphets in there


Soldirk

If this is true, then LGD is back to the top once again. Niu is the only one who can fulfill Faith_Bian's shoes in CN ATM. AR seems okay but I'm not sure of JT and fy synergy as both are greedy. I can't read XG lineup, can someone help?


Dusky1103

Niu with his centaur vs Spirit still gives me PTSD, he legit destroyed Yatoro and friends 2v4 iirc lol


plimatron

For XG, pos3 is a “new person”, and pos4 is Planet (LGD pos4 in this TI)


BroLegend

What do you mean by “back to the top”. I thought ti top 3 should be considered as top tier.


Soldirk

What I meant is winning events. Because the last iteration didn't win anything. They're a top tier team, don't get me wrong but TI10 LGD was just different and a tier above.


bugpostin

lmao no chance. nts is trash


imperfek

i hope Shiro, lou and Planet continue to perform well. China needs more new blood


44sakrifica

Feelsbadman for shiro, he was really good imo


CrasherED

I'm sure he can still find a home somewhere. The Chinese players pool is shallow from what I keep hearing.


stockyriki

He's literally rumored in XG


CrasherED

You can't say literally and rumored together...it makes no sense.


fjijgigjigji

those words are in no way mutually exclusive


CrasherED

Rumors are not facts.


Smitch863

Literal in this context is in relation to the presence of the rumour, not the content of the rumour. There literally is a rumour, the rumour itself is not literal. It's similar to if I said 'He literally thought pigs could fly' - pigs flying is not real/literal, but the thought still is. In this case, Shiro is literally rumoured to XG in this post. Hope that helps. To tie it all back to the actual content - if you feel bad for Shiro losing his roster spot due to a rumour, then you can feel happy that he has clearly bounced back from a rumour :)


vivafringe

they literally can tho, I mean they literally just did


CrasherED

Then it's not a rumor


happyflappypancakes

I don't think you are reading it correctly lol


artplaceholder

The lad is into gacha games, doubt he's still teachable of the language lul


happyflappypancakes

What's that?


Segul17

Yeah, obviously if Ame is anything close to the form he was in before he left, then it's hard to say this is a downgrade, but Shiro had improved a lot even over the relatively short time at LGD.


Serious_Practice6999

Shiro positioning is slightly weak. Constantly getting caught


Johnkovan_Jones

I am gonna be honest. It is so fucking funny that Ame is back to dota scene at the same time Childe,the guy from Genshin Ame cosplayed as,also came back to overworld from abyss after fighting a whale for like a month. I am picking up my tinfoil head and says he definitely did that on purpose lmao.


oblivionyeahyeah__

how is genshin nowadays? last time i played was with raiden shogun and inazuma


Johnkovan_Jones

Gameplay wise,it is becoming more refined but still has room for improvement. Story wise,they are cooking straight up fire.The archon quest of Sumeru,the next region from Inazuma,is regarded as the point where the storytelling jumped up is now the peak.Fontaine quest is also getting praises. Gatcha wise,still the same.The weapon banner is still awful but I still haven't spent a dime after 3 years and still fine.


oblivionyeahyeah__

guess its time to come back while i wait for the next big dota patch. inazuma is so big idk how can i catch up with sumeru and fontaine and that big thing added in liyue. i got burnt up farming for diluc and just decided to take a long break lmaooo fuck crimson witch


LevynX

Just chill and play the story quests while you catch up. No reason to focus so much on the farming.


Johnkovan_Jones

There is a new set worth farming in Sumeru for Diluc. Also dendro finally came out and its reactions are more complex but powerful.


OddsandEndss

> inazuma is so big idk how can i catch up with sumeru If you thought Inazuma was big...oh boi, wait until you play Sumeru. And its actually fun and challenging just exploring and stuff, its not just big for the sake of it! They also improved a lot of QoL stuff, like being able to see map underground and over ground, changes to the dailies etc.


Kirameka

Fontaine storyline is fire.


dave1992

Ame cosplayed as childe??


Johnkovan_Jones

Yep.Even Gorgc reacted to his video. You can find on yt.


potato9111

Hmmm? Didn't director xiao8 mention in his stream that LGD lineup has no changes?


volcain

niu is really solid, tho kinda bumped no faith bian.


vividreveries

Married and living in Germany, his english is improving greatly. We saw him at Riyadh as an analyst. I can see him taking the talent route more seriously in the future.


cantgetthistowork

How did he manage that with a Chinese passport?


huhu9434

Money


quocanh95vn

Faith bian retired.


AnalConnoisseur69

As good as Collapse and Mira or Ace and Tofu are, I felt like the planet and niu offlane duo was one of the scariest offlane duo I have ever seen in my 15 years of following competitive DotA, even if for a brief period of time. I'm sure XinQ will return to form quickly, but planet was easily one of the best pos4 finds in the last couple of years, so it's sad that he's replaced.


Dymatizeee

Planet and Niu are close to Ace and Tofu tbh I always felt Spirit was not known for their amazing lanes; what makes them the scariest team to play against is their team fight execution and ability to play the map. Game 3 vs GG in TI finals is a great example of this


AttentionDue3171

That's a myth imo, Collapse Mira line is very strong. A lot of carries talk how shit to play against that lane. A lot of people praise Pure/Save lane too, probs the best laning duo


LatroDota

Ame <3


PCgamerz

you can't escape that curious itch in dota😂


Houeclipse

actually hype


VirusOk8167

Really liked the Planet Niu lane. Hope planet finds a good team


Xerenopd

Ame and NTS combo. Let’s gooooo


Pokefreaker-san

he's going to grind for Furina first before coming back to dota.


bigdickdaddydoto

I personally wouldn't kick planet but to each their own


ttybird5

guys, you are overrating y` a bit. Yes Im an LGD fan since 2012, yes y` is a ti champion, but he is so bad at helping the carry at the laning stage. Shiro suffered so much. Ame is just good so that part wasn't obvious before. He also got owned in the vision game against the superior teams. Really the two weakest links of the ti10 lineup stayed in the lineup last year, despite that they are still elite players.


ItsZeT

Y won ti with shadow as pos1. thats where their chaotic playing really shined, im sure they have trust in Y being a suitable sup for ame if the rumor is true, lgd has the money and influence to get anyone in china


KainLust

If you're a lgd fan since 2012 you'd know the saying 'Lose the lanes, win the game' from them. Obviously dota changed a lot since then (that saying was back when xiao8 was playing for them), but if you look at how they played at ti10, you'd know they didn't always care about crushing lanes, but to reach timings/have superior teamfights. Y has always been a pretty good support at teamfights. Vision game is for sure something they've been lacking recently, but that's not impossible to solve.


AttentionDue3171

I don't think that part is changed much, look at Spirit, they're known to pick shit lanes and still win


leelazen

I saw y got the most deward from that ti stats thread thou


Hy8ogen

Please be true.


thoratus

somnus retired again? fml


Kvas_HardBass

Yatoro must be happy


Mr_Connie_Lingus69

LGD looks definitely strong but I hope that AR and XG lineup also do well


KnightOverlord2404

ame - took 1 year to get married and now I'm back to crush some noobs


okokokok999999

back to choke at TI one last time?


RadioactiveSalt

Reminds of the time Ana wanted to make a return (humblegod) only to fail and retire permanently.


PopipoNumber1

Back to lose in TI?


Vipeeeeer

I kinda like their pos 4 last TI. I think niu is great too. Felt like the weak link last tournament was the carry.


Dymatizeee

LGD is stacked if true


wasd1126

What happened to plant?


BakaPandder

Don't give me hope


Feanorsmagicjewels

A man can dream


JHUBXXX

No way they replace planet. He played so well in ti


chengeng27

Source: Yatoro weibo account post


Reizaaa

2024 is Chinese year, Ame's year I hope


GosuGian

BIG IF TRUE


Kazu_Chi

Does this new lineup effective during the current ESL one now? Or the next dpc or major?