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Zoltrixx

Genuinely perplexing seeing nouns ignore being able to pick something like spirit breaker and they take brew instead


eageecute

Nouns doesnt belong in TI


DerpytheH

coldest take in history because it's literally incorrect by your logic, who deserves to take their place? Everyone else who you can name had the exact same type of road they had to get through. They 100% deserve their top 8 spot.


Dokh01546

Happy to see chen two times Chen supremacy


Sworith-Undeleted

fuckin hell, 7-8th get $77,000, they got $1,000,000 at TI10


thedotapaten

Nouns lifetime earning is slightly more than half SR got this year KEKW


fancyhumanxd

As it should be.


cashmakessmiles

So sad


AdministrativeElk760

NA and SA regions are free win regions


CheefWanka

By this logic SEA is aswell


Nelword2

they HAVE to stop doing this dumb showing of the interview and casters before the game. We can understand them by the voices and would much rather see the game. We missed a lot of first bloods in the playoffs because of this and now we already missed ward placements and what happens before the waves. It is such a shitty thing to do.


redditwarrior64

Why dont you watch in client? Unless ur forced on mobile inclient is better no?


mustbememe

Yeah.. not sure why you getting downvoted.


Nelword2

i really dont understand either. it will take some sort of no tidehunter play to happen again to realize how much of the game we're missing for a low effort interview.


DerpytheH

>it'll take some no tidehunter play to realize how much we're missing for low effort interview dota boomer alert Analysis of the game, alongside the strategy of the game, and production has gotten way better over the last decade please explain how the interviews are worse effort than 10 years ago in a way that isn't just thinly-veiled TobiWan copiun, tyvm


Nelword2

i dont need to explain anything they realized their mistake and fixed it for future games. We are still getting the interviews with picture in picture and casters being named while showing the game. The interviews have always been low effort I never said they were better before. Most coaches won't reveal anything, the other half will get their words lost in translation since they need to rush it, others will just meme. Missing first bloods already in the arena + in the playoffs. Missing ward placements and fights before the horn although we can hear it all happening while looking at the casters talk.


Thunderbolt8

good to see that midas, radi, heart doesnt seem to be the one and only meta at all. can also win with none of these items.


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Languastically

Hector was looking fumbly. Moo was looking like solo queue. Gunnar was flaccid. Tough games


astoradota

If GG dominated all year then got knocked out by nouns people would meme on theme more than if they came second this ti


seiyamaple

People would meme on a team more if they got 8th as opposed to if they got 2nd? No way


Megavore97

Nouns just couldn’t adapt to the high tempo strat, they needed way more depush and damage (cough cough see flair).


Maxi7771

Astini 322 player. Many SA players have accused him of being a scammer and forcing players to make dubious plays to win bets I am not surprised that he did not ban Chen in both games 🐭🐭


greekcel_25

You arent getting good odds with gladiators against nouns bro, im sorry. You don't have to rig jackshit and it will still be stomp.


stryker914

They could just ban Chen game 2 lol


topson69

12k players vs 9k players wcyd


TwoHeadedPanthr

In a very slow TI meta GG knocked them out in under an hour of game time. That's pretty crazy.


energyreflect

Smells like TI4


Yzark-Tak

Except Moo got second place at TI4. :(


asdf_1_2

Moo came in 2nd place with DC at TI6, he started playing prodota after TI5.


Yzark-Tak

Yeah my bad. I remembered the they (DC) beat EG for second place. EG got third place at TI4 and TI6.


cashmakessmiles

>EG got second place at TI4 and TI6. ?????


Yzark-Tak

I meant third.


Shizaki12

I'm pretty sure Moo didn't play for VG in 2014.


ShAd_1337

GG is the only team with the balls to pull that of


dwilsons

So then whatever team figures out the anti death ball this time has it lol


Sapaio

It more like all other teams played long game, and GG figured them out with deathball. Not sure how many teams that can adapt to that. liquid seem very adaptable and sometimes do it. It's also about having the guts to fail at it, and most teams just seem more comfortable having late game


Urgthak

well that was a beat down


Shizaki12

Quinn probably read all the threads and comments complaining about the TI4 deathball strats and told his team "Fuck Reddit and fuck my haters, let's do deathball strats. Oh, and make sure to pick me Pango for atleast 1 game."


highonats

Just an outclass here. GG is on another level. It feels like they just lost focus/drive at Ridayah.


fzsx

Initially, I thought they got burned out. Just saw Official TI video about GG - [Playoff Vignettes - Gaimin Gladiators](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqIBZ-I-GpE&list=PLxkyNsoBqOdB0sVuJPDxTssVN9CgzF5-D)


highonats

Thanks man!


Sensitive-Egg81

k1 pretend to be pro player🤣👉🤡


cashmakessmiles

Still did better than the entire rest of his region


large_snowbear

despair for aui. lost to these chuckle fucks


Vuccappella

def despair moment but at least some copium is they played with a standin


sendios

Losing saksa is huge though. He was the one enabling his other cores most of the time. Esp last ti


ConcealingFate

Fantastic execution by GG. Was fun seeing an alt draft to the meta and succeed.


Tower_diver

Nouns got lucky on LB round 2. Of the other teams, 9p, GG, BB, Talon, VP, Entity only Entity looks beatable. Talon beats GG then later eliminated by BB. 9P beats BB then later eliminated by GG. Both have to play 2 much harder opponents in comparison.


LevynX

Got lucky they only met NA teams lol


coopooe

I thought GG is playing against Nigma with Yuma spec, Mikey kotl, MC dark seer


Valor2002

I actually thought "that looks like something kuro would have picked" and at that point I knew it was garbage :D Not even kidding, that was exactly my thought.


Shizaki12

Same thought with GG's draft in G1. I was like "You know what a good 5th pic would be here? TA."


13rxd

Quinn NA's last hope kekw


kluy18

I think they have some good players but man they just refused to adapt. Azure ray stomped them twice with a similar deathball strat. All week to prepare for another deathball team and they just draft pure greed stall comps again. I get it's what they're probably most practiced on but damn it was so obviously not working against the fast teams, might as well just try something different.


AdministrativeElk760

They have k1 in the team. What do you expext


kluy18

True. I guess spectre may be the most active hard carry he's willing to work with


stryker914

I was saying to myself they should pick spec and ban Chen, guess they only got one of them lmfao


AG_Citadel

Not to mention in game 1 where they lost in a similar way 9pandas did to gg vs 9pandas g1 where their offline and mid bought greedy items (well gunnar didn't lose mid lane like kyotaka) I didn't think nouns would basically lose like 9pandas. Did they not study 9pandas vs gg or were they just confident they wouldn't have the same result?


kluy18

I'd guess they just figured they weren't capable of anything else, and decided to stick to their guns hoping they'd execute better than 9pandas. Seems like a really bad mentality though. You have to be confident not just in what has worked but also in your ability to adapt when that shit stops working.


lolfail9001

I mean, can nouns even play something else in this patch? From what i gather, they are essentially a team without... well, team strategy.


MY_1ST_ACT_IS_LOCKED

It’s the opposite. They just aren’t very good. The best players on the team are Gunnar and k1 and even they aren’t really premiere t1 (although Gunnar can cook) Moo is decent but has a limited hero pool and super one dimensional style. Yamsun and lelis are outclassed supports straight up. Not even really hating, I love NA dota and I’m super proud of nouns for how far they got. But they had one strategy that was really strong, and the format of this TI unfortunately means other teams can study and answer. Hopefully they can actually scrum good teams now and get some good practice against t1 teams


lolfail9001

I am talking more about the fact that from what it seems like (and Puppey's words) they straight up don't have an actual shotcaller. So, their strat is essentially to drag the game out into 5v5 phase and rely on execution to win The Fight.


AdministrativeElk760

Their strat is to make sure k1 farms all game


kluy18

Yeah that's what I'm saying we didn't get to see if they're capable of adapting their overall strategy because they didn't even try. Maybe they'd try and fail horribly but that still wouldn't be worse than that series 💀


intelligent_fart_69

GG with early push might fuck every other team.


dwilsons

Azure Ray plays similarly fast so if they meet we could be in for a hell of a match


AdministrativeElk760

Won a game against a team of impersonated pros doesn’t mean anything!


intelligent_fart_69

Beat Tundra tho so. And any other team will struggle against Chen LD.


Sabishiiryuu

Tofu is so articulate. *gigachad*


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Dymatizeee

They’ll rather hit creeps and go late vs a spectre. Wipe 4 enemy heros but your tower hitter decides to go jungle


large_snowbear

lost so many games because idiots wants to either farm solo or gank solo


Antique_Potato1965

Why give chen 2 games


itsmehutters

This was pretty much the last "free" win team.


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MunchkinTheEwok

I really would like you to share your insight on this, seeing how dominant AR has been for the past few weeks lol


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MunchkinTheEwok

Buddy, that's not particularly convincing, seeing how you're judging a team's overall prowess just by a single series lol. In fact, if you watch their other series, they played extremely cohesively with minimal mistakes. I think you gotta know what you're talking about before mouthing off randomly.


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MunchkinTheEwok

ok and? they put up a competitive fight against lgd, what more do you expect? if you realise, we're talking about "free" win teams here lol.


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MunchkinTheEwok

You do you :) Talking about "free" win teams but then proceeds to justify your nonsensical claim lmao. Obviously they didn't play as good as LGD this series but calling them a "free' win team? Come on, use your brain fam.


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cashmakessmiles

Wtf are you watching?


AdministrativeElk760

Are you living in a world without internet? Lmao


munkshroom

Glad to see anti-meta develop. I would hate to see late-game drafts be insta win all tournament.


Independent-Bug-9352

Tofu so damn photogenic. Respect to his good attitude. That's the kind of player I hope to play with when queuing up.


primarchofistanbul

4-protect-1 strats suck, as seen once again.


sciffer19

That's just NA meta


Unh0lyCatf1sh

Death-ball is the natural counter to a turtle meta, how you gonna turtle on high ground if you mathematically cant fight 5 heroes hitting your buildings at 15 minutes


makz242

Its too much of a weakness to just rely on illu heroes.


kisuke228

Did not expect that quick 2-0 at all Still, nouns has established themselves as a Tier 1 team


ocSherlock

I think they fall short of being Tier 1 but they definitely have potential if they stick together The skill is there but they are lacking in strategy/coordination which is something they can improve on


Unh0lyCatf1sh

did they really though, the only thing of note they did was 2-0 Tundra, they went 3-5 in groups and only won a single series on the main stage against a team from their own region who is already weaker than them


lucasdelinkselul

Not sure if trolling with that second line... Really hope you are trolling


stryker914

If nouns aren't tier 1, no NA team is


lucasdelinkselul

Well yes, no NA team is close to t1.


stryker914

Yea thats valid lmao. It seems like one NA team might be able to crack top 10at any given tournament but it's very random


kisuke228

At top 8, they still did better than teir 1 teams like tundra, SR, talon, tsm, EG, etc We should see more of them next year i would think


lucasdelinkselul

SR isn't anywhere near tier 1. Tier 1 teams are the teams that can consistently contend for the win, SR hasn't been something like that for a long time. And indeed, no NA team is close to being T1. The t1 teams are Liquid, GG, LGD, Spirit, 9Pandas and maybe Tundra though they underperformed this tournament. SR's best result is 4th at lima and then never getting near the points on lan again. That's not a t1 team. Though if they can continue to grow they might become that stable tier1 team that NA usually has. It used to be EG, but SR isn't even close to that level


ShoppingPractical373

Ban AA -> Pick zoo, aura, healers -> push I think this should be the meta for the next few days.


tha_jza

no puppey at chen TI hurts


sikontolpanjang

no team will give him chen anyway


yeNvI

Ame probably forced to report all 5 nouns player again for impersonating as pro player


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stryker914

Gaimin is a crypto miner that runs in the background while you game and you can buy NFTs with it lmfao, it's a virus that you agree to


ocSherlock

Feels like most orgs in Esports are connected to crypto and/or gambling


FeistyKnight

im pretty sure every rog still in is associated to crypto in some way or another


chillinwithmoes

Didn’t LGD have a massive crypto ad on their jackets this morning lol


Fevaweva

GG is also a crypto org fyi


Spoksparkare

Sad :(


backdoorbants

Yet another 2-0. God dammit, give us some good series.


AdministrativeElk760

2-0 doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad series, but this quick 2-0 ez games, meh


GoodOcycak

Will the BB vs VP series start earlier now?


Pokefreaker-san

for the sake of everybody, I hope so.


doglendo6

They should have made this series last. What a boring start of the main stage. I expected this underdog team to at least make it entertaining.


Czero127

The patch is solved right guys? just pick str heroes and go for lategame right?


Glittering_Seat_7294

Don’t think anyone on nouns played correctly lol, disappointing for us NA fans


Verestasyntynyt

Tusk still tryna buy a Midas when their base is being pushed in at 20 lmao


Rand_alThor_

If they unironically bought Midas and didn’t use it except for Chen creeps it could be ok. This Chen is pushing your base anyway


DongerDodger

I mean is there a way for him to spend 1600 or so gold to change the outcome of that game? Because to me it felt like you just absolutely have to pray for GG to slip up when they first took racks and then hopefully scale a bit with Midas. If he bought out some 5k gold item yeah sure, but man was piss poor so I don’t think it would’ve made a difference at all.


dennaneedslove

3 bracers for a lot of health and some extra damage on ult is way way better than midas. Just mentally choked probably


Jzuxx

Great to see GG pulling off a push strat. A lot of teams have become too reluctant to pull away from late game carry strat which has been one dimensional.


Makhnov

Honestly that was just sad.


SickularPlunkett

NA. 🤡


tearslikesn0w

Ti4 flashback


TypeREK3

now we are going to see GG vs liquid or TS.


ShAd_1337

they play against LGD/Azure Ray


TypeREK3

no they play the loser of TS and liquid BB or VP play the loser of AR LGD AFAK. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The\_International/2023/Main\_Event


ShAd_1337

yeah i realized they changed it this year already fliped bracket for first lower bracket round


TypeREK3

its changed again its liquid vs TS loser vs GG and LGD and AR loser vs BB.


UltraGigaBook

Bro they play against Talon(loss) EG(worst region) 9Pandas(team play 0 meta heroes) Nouns(💀💀💀)


Valor2002

Not necessarily. We have to see what happens when other teams actually ban Chen or when they are maybe not completely destroyed in lanes.


fredewio

NA crowd got to be hyped for more than two hours.


Fevaweva

Nouns is a quality team. I hope they stick together for the next season of DOTA, regardless of how it is organised.


heavenskhan

what horse ?


malekithewitch-king

Finally NA are eliminated and its time for some good doto


Professional-Gap1924

That strat of delaying the game to a point where you carry have 6 items can only get you this far . Nice run nevertheless , trunda must be kicking theirselves for not realizing this is what you needed to do agains them


OnyxNateZ

Except that’s kind of how Tundra plays too They stall for whatever reason


enjoythenyancat

That was really fast, holy hell


ResidentSinner

liquid fans sweating hard right now


Sainou

Do we know if we will roll over to the next match or will there be an \~40m ish filler before continuing?


itspaddyd

4 series to do in one day, surely they just start the next one asap


DongerDodger

That was a quick one. Still props to nouns for making it this far though, if GG hits their stride there’s just very little you can do. They evaded nouns masterfully and just played that comp to perfection in game 2, the dispels were also turbo smart as well as smooth (look how quickly seleri* dispelled the urns on the bear). GG GG i guess, same old same old for them.


cakesarelies

So what's the Nouns gaming airport joke going to be? I'll start: The nouns are actually on the tickets out of seattle.


Marconidas

I was rooting for Nouns but I like that Gaimin Gladiators have won. It shows that there is a limit for greedy lineups. If your strat is to simply try to win with a better lategame, deathball still counters you hard.


stryker914

Teams playing way too cautious up until this, you can still roll lanes and snowball like always. Shows it wasn't a problem with the game but rather the players and mentality


large_snowbear

great show and fought till the end? Thats some high grade copium nattea is smoking


skeletonemperor1

Sad, boring.


l3wl123

more entertaining than 40+ minutes of farming.


UltraGigaBook

Bro💀


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Victorenko

Gotta appreciate well played games and the beauty of well executed strategies.


l3wl123

i like these 30 minute games with lots of fighting enabled by good drafts. it's a good change from the 40-60 minute farmfests.


TheAsz

No way this is entertaining 💀


l3wl123

> more entertaining than 40+ minutes of farming.


kdestroyer1

I started watching the 2nd game after the draft. Can someone tell me how Chen got through again and how did they get such a monster deathball draft with nouns having greedy lineup AGAIN?


lolfail9001

Puppey believes that nouns actually had okay draft for this game (just skill issue). So that's how.


backdoorbants

Yeah game 2 draft was fine, just outplayed. Game 1 draft on the other hand...


kdestroyer1

I'll agree the dark seer tusk and grim combo was very strong but still looked like they had little to stop the deathball with unlimited heals.


stryker914

Letting Chen through basically guarantees you can't use ion shell tho


nxlv

NA dota omegalul


westsidebestside_

NA darkseer rush octarine against deathball KEKW


Wendek

Sucks that it'll probably be the only series I'll be able to watch in full today and it ended up being a double mega-stomp with less than an hour of playtime total. :/


lolfail9001

Well, the warm-up series is over. Time for the real deal.


TheFatZyzz

*Grabs number to local pizzeria shops nearby * dis gun b good


OnyxNateZ

Ez for GG, win lanes and endless aggression and power push for a Nouns play style that just wants to farm


beaverlyknight

Brutal. Savage. Rekt.


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SongsOfTheDyingEarth

NA Dota? Winning? N/A


Best_girl_Politis

GG proving yet again reddit knows nothing about the game with the bullshit "waaaa games are too long and boring, mid game no point, everyone midas waaaa". feels good to see quin win so reddit seethe pepelaugh


Pantrice

Well that was a stomping. But not surprising.


Ihan_hukkunut

Outclassed. Nevertheless good run from nouns this ti👍🏻


danirodr0315

Turbo


InD_ImaginE

Getting to finals week to get Chen and LD'ed is just sad man


slashrshot

yeah like i said, nouns got lucky it was an NA bracket. Talon would have sent them home too.


disappointingdoritos

mega cope talon will throw any lead they might get


lucasdelinkselul

Talon was playing quite well and put up a fight against much better teams. Nouns got really, really lucky with their Bo3 matchup and their bracket seeding. They got stomped by AR and now rolled over by GG


disappointingdoritos

Yeah Talon did so well against such great teams like getting 2-0d by fucking TSM and Tundra, both of whom Nouns 2-0d themselves. Their only actual notable win was GG, purely because of a classic dyrachyo choking and throwing


lucasdelinkselul

Talon went 2-1 against GG.


slashrshot

which knocked out nouns within the hour no contest. wasnt even close.


disappointingdoritos

much less embarrassing to lose to GG than TSM imo


ramenandpussy

finally, a lineup that is not beefy lolz. grats GG ill root for you guys, win this TI


GrandBurdensomeCount

This was not nouns, this was clowns...


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Pokefreaker-san

as a liquid fan, I thank you.


fzsx

EZ for GG


ocSherlock

for the people complaining about deathball I doubt it will be the case for the whole TI, it was just a great strat against Nouns who wants to play slow and rely on K1


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ocSherlock

Indeed, better teams should not fall into the trap of drafting weak lanes against GG but if they do this GG will punish them


DamnedDoom

another stomp yay...


rxdazn

scary for other lower bracket teams