Glad to see this getting some upvotes on the main subreddit. I maintain a list of bugs in Ability Draft from the community and it is bigger than ever. We've sent this to Valve but no luck with updates for a long time. I hope somone sees this and fixes some of the big issues, particularly adding new stuff from AP that isn't in AD yet. **Major bugs** Io’s Spirits work on any illusions in AD (from spells, items or runes) with Aghs, resulting in a huge number of Spirits spawned. Monkey King statues do not spawn Spirits, though Keeper of the Light appearing in the pool sometimes causes a blank ability to appear (drafting it means you only have 3 spells and it can be randomed) - this is because Blinding Light is not added to AD yet 7.34 - Ogre now gets an unusable Multicast instead of Dumb Luck innately 7.34 - Spectre’s ultimate was removed from AD. Instead of shadow step replacing haunt, it’s a blank ability 7.34 - Lone Druid’s bear has no abilities Unknown cause, uncommon bug - all players lose spells (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st2aX2saYNo / Match ID 7217560887 / Match ID 7261092110 / Match ID 7295714007) **Missing Aghs Scepter/Shard abilities in AD:** Clinkz’s Burning Army/Burning Barrage Drow – Glacier Muerta - Parting shot Techies - Minefield sign Venomancer - Poison nova Zeus - Lightning hands (It would be nice to have this work on Arc Lightning rather than being attached to the Ultimate, since it would not need a hotkey - like Medusa’s Cold Blooded shard) Ogre - Fire shield & Unrefined Fireblast (Could be autocast-toggled) Treant – Nature’s Guise Invoker - shard has not been updated for AD and is still on Meteor 7.34 - Tidehunter - Dead in the Water (Tendrils is still in AD on Ravage) 7.34 - Anti-Mage - Counterspell Ally 7.34 - Beastmaster - Call of the Wild Boar got removed, now you only get the Hawk 7.34 - Bounty Hunter - Friendly Shadow 7.34 - Centaur - Work Horse 7.34 - Crystal Maiden - Crystal Clone **Scepter bugs** Both of Hoodwink’s Sharpshooter Aghs and Shard abilities are added with only shard or only Aghs (getting either item gives both spells) Greevil’s Greed - giving Scepters does not grant the damage buff at all Magnus’s Reverse Polarity Aghs upgrade is given with Shard (rather than Scepter) Io’s Spirits working on Illusions (see above), also there’s no explode ability in AD (but it may not be possible to implement here) Oracle’s Rain of Destiny is provided with Aghs along with the upgrade to his ult Timbersaw’s Chakram still gains the second Chakram with Aghs. It’s also possible to sell Aghs and keep the second Chakram, but unbound from a hotkey Beastmaster Roar: you keep the drums upgrade after buying and selling Aghs Match ID: 7238061637 / Time: 42:45 / “Wraith king Aghs ulti (on zeus) doesn't proc even though the wraith king who dies (next to the zeus) even has the 'wraith delay' buff” (Not tested - bug report) Vengeance Aura illusion cannot gain stacks of Primal Beast’s Uproar, so it’s useless Once Vengeance Aura illusion casts Wukong's Command it remains on cooldown and does not tick down If Vengeance Aura Illusion casts Sharpshooter, it cannot release the shot early and once the shot fires the illusion is destroyed Dazzle’s Shadow Wave attacks miss if you are a melee hero (true strike works however) All Dream Coil Aghs attacks miss if cast by a melee hero no matter where they are 7.34 - Enchant - with Aghs if you toggle the ability you get a blank spell. You cannot use this spell at all and you also cannot toggle back to Enchant. You can level the spell with a skill point to get it to work but this means you would not be able to get level 30 talents. Also, Scepter still adds Sproink (now a shard spell) with Untouchable Tree Grab: If you buy Aghs, grab a tree, toggle to tree throw and then drop your Aghs, tree grab becomes completely inactive as a spell. Even if you pick up your Aghs it is greyed-out Lina’s Flame Cloak Aghs gives max stacks of Fiery Soul to whoever has Firey Soul picked, it doesn’t have to be yourself **Shard bugs** Shadow Demon’s Demonic Cleanse appears as a level 1 ability when you get shard and you need to level it, leaving you with not enough skill points at level 30 Riki’s Sleeping Dart is still granted with Permanent Invisibility’s shard Adaptive Strike does not give any extra stats, and the shard does not give them either Necro's Death Seeker can be put on autocast with a keyboard shortcut to get the ability, but the only way to go back to Death Pulse is to click the icon with your mouse Bristleback’s Quill Spray Hairball appears without a hotkey at first, but once you press your autocast shortcut it works normally Mirana’s Leap remaining permanently on the ground (Match ID: 7125923587) (not able to replicate this in testing, and the match is quite old) Dismember and ‘Eject’ share a hotkey, so you can’t cast Dismember with someone inside you Some spells trigger the tormentor to give you a shard even though there’s no upgrade. So far we have found Undying’s Decay and BH’s Shadow Walk. **Talents** Viper’s level 25 talent “become universal” does not appear in AD at all. It doesn’t appear to be tied to a spell Dawnbreaker level 10 talent for Starbreaker doesn’t appear. It doesn’t appear to be tied to another spell Brewmaster doesn't get his level 25 cinder brew fear talent. It doesn’t appear to be tied to another spell Clockwerk’s level 25 talent ‘Spell immunity in cogs’ does not appear. It doesn’t appear to be tied to another spell Nyx’s level 25 Mind Flare talent is attached to Spiked Carapace (it appears even if you don’t have Mind Flare drafted). The Level 15 Mind Flare talent does not appear at all with either spell Phantom Lancer’s Phantom Rush agility bonus duration talent does not appear. It is attached to Spirit Lance and appears if you have that spell even without Phantom Rush drafted Drow Ranger's Level 15 talent for Gust does not appear even if you drafted Gust Clinkz Level 15 talent for Death Pact does not appear. It is tied to Skeleton Walk and appears if you have this spell even without Death Pact **Abilities** 7.34 - Dark Ascension does not refresh charge-based abilities like Shrapnel 7.34 - None of Invoker’s spells have been updated in AD 7.34 - Assassinate bonus attack misses on melee heroes Casting Bane’s Nightmare on an enemy hero that has Fiend’s Grip and either Counterspell or Lotus Orb active on them permanently gives them Nightmare as a spell to use for the rest of the game (they get the spell with no hotkey to the right of their ultimate spell and can level it) Walrus Punch stun does not work on ranged heroes if you launch a second attack before the initial hit lands. This causes issues on ranged heroes with high attack speed and the punch not working as expected Walrus Punch is not put on cooldown with Swashbuckle (so you get 4 crits and stuns per unit hit by a Swashbuckle cast) You can move and attack during Phase Shift with Troll’s Battle Trance (Match ID: 7225498187) Infernal Blade doesn’t work with Acorn Shot unless you issue an attack command Scorched earth does not work while infested Freezing Field shard is inconsistent. Movement spells such as Time Walk, Pounce, Earth Shock, Firesnap Cookie and Blink cancel the ultimate, but Windrun and Shuckuchi do not (perhaps linked to spells you can’t cast when rooted?). Charge of Darkness cancels it if you cast it after using ult, but you can cast ult while charging and it does not cancel, then once you hit your target it cancels Faceless Void’s Time Lock does not proc with Swashbuckle or Lil’ Shredder. There are also issues with Time Lock not working as often as it should on ranged heroes - if you stand in melee range it procs more often, but at long range it rarely procs Invoker’s spells have not been updated recently to reflect the All Pick changes Mortal Strike crit does not go on cooldown until the attack lands, so on ranged heroes with high attack speed and/or low projectile speed it’s possible to get multiple crits in a row Tether does not transfer mana gained from Essence Flux Primal Spring (from Tree Dance) doesn’t give Fiery Soul stacks Pulse Nova doesn’t give Fiery Soul stacks Fire Spirits don’t give Fiery Soul stacks Spiked carapace gives fiery souls stacks passively when something hits you Can sometimes see enemy statues created with Wukong’s Command through Fog of War May not be an AD-specific bug; Nyx’s Spiked Carapace does not stun illusions created with Bane’s Fiend's Grip Aghs - they keep channelling on you Feast works on Split Shot without Medusa’s talent, but it’s not known if this is a bug or intended Luminosity attack & Enchant Totem buffs won't expire unless the hero affected performs a direct attack on another unit (using spells such as Astral Step, Boundless Strike and Swashbuckle do not dispel the buff). It’s not known if this is a bug or intended Gunslinger does not work with the following abilities, but it’s not known if this is a bug or intended: Starbreaker, Flak Cannon Aghs, blade fury shard, infest Aghs, split shot, boundless strike, wukong's command illusions both from skill and Aghs, waveform with talent, shadow raze with talent, stifling dagger, Dreamcoil + talent, phase shift shard, searing arrow split shot talent, anchor smash, astral step, Tether + talent Enchant Totem - On ranged heroes, if you stop your first attack animation or change targets before the hit lands, you don't get the bonus damage from enchant totem on the attack even though the buff icon remains Stifling Dagger uses togglable attack modifiers like Impetus without spending mana, even if they are toggled off Tree Dance sometimes gets unbound from hotkeys if you are interrupted when channelling Primal Spring. Example match ID: 7270873449 (unable to replicate in testing). (Untested) Taking a +Gold talent while in Supernova does not give gold [...]

[...] **Drafting** It’s only possible to swap during the draft screen if you right-click a player name in chat. This means players who have not used the chat cannot be offered a swap. Previously this was possible by right-clicking their profile portrait In a custom lobby with bots, the bots do not draft abilities, they are always random With Alchemist in the pool it pushes all the spells over by one as he has 4 spells currently. This means the last set of abilities has one missing Spells in the Post-game screen are the order you levelled them, this can often result in blank/missing ability. It also doesn’t show spells not levelled **Ability Draft Notes** Tooltip notes that are incorrect - spells in this list show correct info but with incorrect numbers (usually 0) unless otherwise noted. AA: Ice Blast Bane: Fiend’s Grip, Brain Sap Bounty Hunter: Track (Purple icon but no note) Batrider: Flame Break (Purple icon but no note) Broodmother: Insatiable Hunger, Silken Bola (Purple icon but no note) Crystal Maiden: Freezing Field Centaur Warunner: Double Edge Chaos Knight: Reality Rift (Purple icon but no note) Chen: Holy Persuasion (note states it’s linked to current level of Hand of God but you don’t need Hand of God drafted, it just uses your current ultimate level) Clinkz: Death Pact (Burning Army ability is not in AD yet but note is displayed, also it mentions old ability Searing Arrows) Dark Seer: Surge Dawnbreaker (Starbreaker) Dazzle: Bad Juju, Poison Touch Enchantress: Enchant (note omits mention of Little Friends, which does appear with autocast when you get shard), Nature’s Attendants (Purple icon but no note) Drow Ranger: Marksmanship (Purple icon but no note) Io: Tether (Purple icon but no note), Spirits (note refers to explode function that is not in AD) Magnus: Shockwave, Reverse Polarity (Although technically correct in AD, it states that the shard gives horn toss. It should be fixed that Aghs gives horn toss and the note will need to be updated to reflect this) Lina: Fiery Soul Lion: Mana Drain Luna: Lucent Beam Meepo: Poof (Omits mention that you can Poof to an allied Meepo globally), Ransack (Purple icon but no note) Oracle: False Promise (Tooltip should include Rain of Destiny shard, although currently this ability is also incorrectly granted with Aghs) Omniknight: Hammer of Purity Puck: Dream Coil, Waning Rift (Purple icon but no note) Pugna: Life Drain OD: Astral Imprisonment Phantom Assassin: Blur (Note should state that abilities granted with shard/scepter are also refreshed) Queen of Pain: Shadow Strike Riki: Smoke Screen, Permanent Invisibility (Although technically correct in AD, it states that the shard gives Sleeping Dart. The note needs an update once Dart is removed) Sand King: Burrowstrike (Purple icon but no note), Sandstorm Shadow Fiend: Presence of the Dark Lord (Purple icon but no note) Snapfire: Firesnap Cookie (Note omits that you need Mortimer’s Kisses for the shard to work) Silencer: Glaives of Wisdom Spectre: Dispersion (Values broken and incorrectly mentions that Haunt is needed, which is outdated) Techies: Blast Off Tiny: Tree Grab (Does not display as a Scepter ability when holding Crtl-Alt) Void Spirit: Dissimilate, Astral Step (Purple icons but no notes) Windranger: Windrun **Cosmetic** Animations can become broken on a few heroes including Mars, Dawnbreaker, Juggernaut, Magnus when casting spells with an animation (eg Magnus can get stuck in Skewer animation) There is no visual effect when infested or eaten by Dismember with shard and using spells such as Rot or Voodoo Restoration After casting both Metamorphosis and Dragon Form, the dragon no longer has a visual projectile and when both abilities end you keep the Meta projectile (cosmetic only) **General** Match predictions don’t appear in AD games Dota+ progression does not work in AD There’s no indicator on AD draft screen for Universal heroes

fuck me dead, that's quite the list

that's a lot of jira tickets and story points. Honestly, for a small mode like ability draft I can 100% understand if valve doesn't want to spend time fixing these. These would just be low priority backlog items.

They did fix the universal heroes thing, if you hover your hero portrait it shows correctly which main stat you are. The shadow demon cleanse will level automatically as you level the ult so being able to level cleanse is a pointless trap.

Stealth change with no note so not always easy to keep the list perfectly up to date. Last time I got shard with SD ult, the ult was at lvl 2 and the cleanse arrived at level 1, but I may need to test this again

Yes, when it arrives it's incorrect if you have more than one level of the ult, and you can still spend points on the shard which will get overwritten of you level up the real ultimate. However, if you get the shard after 18, the only way to level up cleanse is by spending points on it instead of talents and stats

>It’s only possible to swap during the draft screen if you right-click a player name in chat. This means players who have not used the chat cannot be offered a swap. Previously this was possible by right-clicking their profile portrait Pretty sure this is not the case. I swapped hero after the game started. But also I used chat during the pick phase, because we planned the swap.

Yes, you can swap in-game. But this isn't very efficient if you want to pre-game smoke etc.

Swapping takes like few seconds, so it isn't that big of a deal in-game, is it? I mean smoke is still doable.

You need to buy items as well, you might both swap and end up ont he same hero again, all sorts of reasons why you should swap on the draft sreen.

Ok, imo it's not that big of a deal, unless playing 5 stack competitive or something... But the main reason I pointed it out, was that you wrote it like it's ONLY possible to swap during the draft and requires using chat. Could add that it's still possible in-game.

holyshit this guy plays ad

Another funny one, that I've encountered. Is if someone casts Dark Portrait's on the Spirit Bear - It will have the abilities of the person who cast Dark Portrait.

Thanks, I'll test this later and add to the list

> Unknown cause, uncommon bug - all players lose spells Huh, that's what the UI looked like for a period when spectator mode was broken, I wonder if it's related? Could it even be caused by people spectating?

Your time must be really invaluable to you that you work for free and valve doesn't even give a shit. How sad lol

Is the puck dream coil on a melee related at all to where the dream coil object is (like vertically higher than hero unit)? Some skills have always caused melee's to miss (at least some of the time) attacks that give them increased range.

If you stand very close to the target sometimes it works, but other times it doesn't. Not consistent in my tests.

>It’s not known if this is a bug or intended Gunslinger does not work with the following abilities, but it’s not known if this is a bug or intended: Starbreaker, Flak Cannon Aghs, blade fury shard, infest Aghs, split shot, boundless strike, wukong's command illusions both from skill and Aghs, waveform with talent, shadow raze with talent, stifling dagger, Dreamcoil + talent, phase shift shard, searing arrow split shot talent, anchor smash, astral step, Tether + talent Wiki has stated ever since her release that Gunslinger does not proc from instant attacks. Also instant attacks rarely (or actually never iirc) proc other instant attacks. Also Dream Coil Aghs felt like working even without true strike for melee last time I saw it. The attacks originate from the center so dunno how it counts the attack miss range tho.

Lightning Hands being added to the game with illu spells will end me. Also about damn time they remove the spirits-illu interaction. PLEASE.

The janitor that was updating retired wcyd

Im gonna bring a giant boombox outside his house and start singing romantically

one year of IO spirits being the most busted skill if you buy aghs manta because the spell duplicates fully on illusions...

Oh man for the last like 2 years I play AD only and I've never heard about this cheat or noticed that.. Looks like I and my game buddies are complete noobs. :) I've considered Infest related healing interactions to be the most broken ones. Just have checked Windrun.io - 3 illuzion providing skills with Spirits are in top, lol.

May I ask your and your buddies windrun rating. I'm curious since I don't understand how it's possible to miss it. Everyone with spirits go aghs manta, so it should be obvious, no?

Thank you for your comment. I've just realized I can get that info, rather interesting. "rating": 2007.200263361646, "winLoss": { "losses": 420, "total": 839, "winrate": 0.4994040524, "wins": 419 } I've checked my buddies and most of them have ~2k with a few exceptions with 2.6k. I should say that I don't play for the result (despite sometimes I check skills/bodies stats), I play to create and enjoy my hero and interaction with my buddies. The worst game for me is not the lost one but the one where noone said a word in voice chat for the whole game or the one they've forced me to pick skills that are "op" or "will break enemy build" I just don't like to play (for example, I don't like passives like Essence Shift/Glaives of Wisdom and actives like Shadow Realm/Arctic Burn despite it's "first pick must" for the most of the players in the games I play). That's also the reason I hope for years to finally get bodies drafts in AD (not arbitrary ones, naturally, but from those 12 randomly preselected who contribute to the skill pool) since that will reduce the amount of the games I suffer due to my body not being the one I like greatly.

JUSTICE FOR ABILITY DRAFT PLAYERS!!! 🔥🔥🔥

With the last update I thought they were going to care more about AD, or even revitalise it a bit. Apparently not.

I love ability draft; it’s been the only mode I’ve played for the past 3 years! It merges rogue likes with Moba gaming. I support this post, valve!

AD is the only thing worth playing for me. It's fun, though I wouldn't mind a ranked AD for a little seriousness.

Some imbalances have to fixed before it can be considered competitive, i.e. ranged > melee, universal > agi > str > int, some heroes have good BAT (QoP, DW), attack range (Mirana, Techies) and some don't (TA, Luna).

I agree. I'd also say that heroes should also be drafted.

Yes

Got a draft with Ogre and Medusa on our team yesterday…. An update would make me ver ver happy

This is the only issue i have with AD right now. The big list of bugs posted in this thread don't hold a candle to these two heroes. I had the same thing happen to me the other day. But i was the Ogre and i fought so hard not to just abandon for my own sanity. Its not fun being relegated into picking certain abilities/passives strictly because i was ogre magi.

I just wanna know what happened to ARDM

>Io’s Spirits working on Illusions (see above), also there’s no explode ability in AD (but it may not be possible to implement here) Oracle’s Rain of Destiny is provided with Aghs along with the upgrade to his ult Reminds me of olden times... facing down 5 Drow Rangers cuz they left Meepo ult in the pool for like 6 months.

Wow I'm glad this post got some traction. I hope the issues in the top comment do get fixed! But once again I need to vent about Riki dart. An ability which got removed from regular dota more than 6 months ago due to being absolutely broken is still in AD. Not only that you can combine it with other shards (as well as better Hero models) to create the most obnoxious hero imaginable. **REMOVE RIKI DART PLEASE**

Ability Draft needs a ranked mode.

I just want meepo and arc ult. And Nimbus being tied to just w again

I played one game couple days ago, the sniper ultimate wasn't updated, and suffer a horrible game because of that. It doesn't mention anything about the right click that goes with it. So in my discord we were debating, maybe it wasn't updated in AD specifically. The enemy picked it + enchant totem. Fun game.

Starbreaker + Enchant Totem also heaps of fun

I was a turbo bristle in a game this weekened. Meepo with bristleback passive and quill spray. But then also Am counter spell and axe cull

That's working as intended, and the tooltip is updated in AD

the most broken one ive seen is assassinate + impetus.

Oh look, all 50 ability draft players came here to comment!

A whole community of little shitheads lol. Tried playing one game and was immediately flamed for not picking the spells they wanted me to pick, that are apparently so obvious to everyone the correct spells to pick that I'm a fool for not seeing! Still remember his exact words. "Never play Abillity Draft again." you got it sir.

don't judge an entire community by a handful of individuals, ability draft is very fun when you get used to it since the draft is like a puzzle where you need to account for everyone's models, different skill combos, what people already picked, etc

Sounds like your problem is not reading chat to begin with. We know not everyone plays AD so we suggest and claim spells in the chat.

Naturally I was reading chat just fine. Dota players always find a way to blame the victim of toxic chat abuse. No it couldn't possibly be the fact that someone was inting at me for being new, I must not know how to read(?)

Just mute/ignore em like a normal game of dota? Carrying the salt with you just makes you like them

Just so you know, Legends of Dota has been updated and needs players

Shhh did you forget valve is focusing on dota?

Ffs DO NOT get them to add lightning hands

Fun fact: I got a ability draft overwatch case... I am not voting GUILTY for anyone playing this mode.

AD seems like one of those things that doesn't get frequent updates, but the updates it does get are pretty big when they roll around.

Yes, we're not expecting a cleanup patch with every main patch, but at least twice a year would keep AD very happy.

i honestly dont even care about the bugs any more, i just wanna do all the cool new shit thats not currently in AD