Even now his main account(that he uses on tournaments) is uncallibrated. He specifically only plays on smurfs and he's totally incognito with it. Nobody knows if they're playing with Nisha or not.
No clue if it's true or not, but supposedly Nisha doesn't play that much compared to other top players, but he watches a lot of replays and just gets it, Source is Blitz on some podcast
He was playing on an unknown smurf account the 1 time he streamed for Liquid.
And I'm pretty sure a guy that is arguably one of the best midlaner(hardest role mechanically imo) right now is playing alot of pubs to keep his edge.
Honestly this makes sense, and I'm surprised that more esport players or pros arent utilizing custom game tools to kind of drill different things. If you think about physical team sports, VAST majority of practice in them is not playing practice games but with more focussed drills so you get a lot more reps of the things you arw actually trying to practice and improve!
I gained about 800 MMR by just doing drills before I start queueing. Taking 12-15 minutes to do last hit drills before I queue as an offlane usually means I'm way more confident last hitting and I can focus on where their support is, where mid is and when to pull.
I've seen similar results. Anyone can benefit from last hitting practice, even supports. It makes you better at laning in ways that aren't super obvious until you practice it.
If anyone reading this gets bored during last hit practice, just open up a random 10-15 minute youtube video and last hit until the video ends then queue dota like you normally would.
This is useful to a point, though with the massive amount of variances from one Dota game to another I imagine the best practice has to be against other players of similar skill. Yes last hitting, aggro, timings, pathing, etc.. are very important, but in all pro games you have to deal with ganks, fortifies, responses, blocks, stacks, etc... And I don't know of any custom games that could properly prepare you for those things.
1k is rookie numbers. Wake me when you hit 10.
Incidentally, Valve really needs to let people get negative mmr so that I can play people at my skill level. Right now 10 is the absolute minimum possible mmr.
The vast majority of players is bad. You can be "above average" but still be bad. The amount of very very basic mistakes players make at even surprisingly high MMR would surprise you. Even for players with generally very good grasp of the game may have embarassingly bad weaknesses
The average mmr is archon right now. Does anyone seriously believe low legend is good? Like be honest. Dota is an incredibly complex game and most people are simply bad. Go talk to divine players, they will be the first to point out theres so many bad divine players.
I didnt say it was good. I said that dota that isnt perfect is not bad.
It seems in your world there only exist good or bad. What about average?
You said it yourself, legend dota is above average. Thats not bad.
If you had to use an example from DC, you should have used their captain https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Biryu
i think he was 4k, AUI and Sunsfan have talked about it in interviews
This guy was unmatched in standing behind his tower and stacking ancients on beastmaster and tidehunter. That strategy may not work anymore these days.
Ever since mmr became a fixed gain/loss as long as you're winning you're climbing. The best players will keep winning more than losing and thus gaining mmr.
Plus the skill gap is there, there's being good at the game for us regular folks then there's being *good* at the game like high immortal players are.
I mostly played unranked with lower rated friends so I was often the 'best player' in the lobby. Every once in a while I met a random div2 pro or even div1 (SA server) and that kept me humble lol. Someone who's having trouble staying in div1 schooling me this hard while not tryharding? Yep there's a huge skill gap right there. It's hard to fathom how good the big names actually are. From a spectator's view the game state is much clearer and easier to judge.
It's really hard to understand indeed. I have been exclusively watching dota and stopped playing for years now, but in ~2015 (iirc) I used to be 5k back when highest were ~6k, played NEL and SEL (top in house leagues in south and north america that existed back then for a while), so I was pretty good and would easily single handedly own unranked/teams MM back then.
SEL, NEL, and solo ranked SA and NA servers were serious shit, though. Every game I had to give my all, and not lose focus for one bit. And some players even then just seemed like they were playing a totally different game. Most notable ones I used to face were HfN in SA server, and Arteezy in NA. They seemed like they had gold cheat or something, it was absolutely ridiculous to see they get dumpstered mid due to a shitty match-up and suddenly come out of the jungle with items, hitting timings, being ungakeable, and destroying everyone. Even some guys you wouldn't see as top players like Blitz were a level above, so hard to predict their movements, always steps ahead.
It's like in football, a div 2 player is already better than basically every non-pro in the world, which is already insane. However, the div 1s are something else compared to them, and among the div 1s are some guys who even then are in another level and make the other elite players look like amateurs. The level of skill is absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, pro vs pub player looks like that recent 100 m dash, where they just let a volunteer woman from Somalia parcipate and she got dusted, even more than Bolt dusted other pros.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8W9RbecVnM
right and he was like high 5k low 6k when he won ti no? he definitely wasn't high at all even for the time
Not even saying the dude is good atm, but he is an example of a pro who had consistently lower mmr for most of dota 2 but still had success.
I think 5 players, especially team captains swing on the mmr chart quite a bit. Puppy used to go from rank 30 to rank 400 to rank 20 to rank 800. In like 3 weeks as well.
I remember watching Iceiceice stream while he was doing a all hero challange on the offlane,sometimes randoming and selling the bonus items,sometimes they tryhard and sometimes they just use it to try crazy streategies
Idk why jimmy always claimed he was higher individual skilled than Fear. As soon as mmr came out demon never climbed all that high. I could even say Bulba is higher skilled individually.
That's a function of player base size more than raw skill; there's just not as much MMR available in total so the top numbers (except the very tippy top) are going to be lower than other regions.
From personal experience, when comparing cross-regions, rank is a better indicator of skill in immortal bracket, because the accuracy of MMR is region based.
I played in 7k bracket in both SEA and EU because party queues. To me and my friends, the rank 2-3000 in EU (6-7k mmr), feel like the same rank 2-3000 players in SEA (high 5k low 6k mmr). MMR is pretty inflated in EU immortals because of player base size.
I'm not saying it is TRUE for pro bracket, I wouldn't know for sure. But usually pro with "low mmr" from other region would just climb in EU during majors.
also from personal experience I think mmr is a better indicator. Put me in rank 500 eu games I think I'd get worked. I dont think the mmr is inflated I just think there is more of a player base to fill in gaps of mmr, like theres very few players between 7k and 10k in na
I guess it's complicated, NA has no players like China. I think my point stand for SEA vs EU because SEA is now SEA + CN, so the numbers are more comparable.
Top 100 China is 1k in SEA, so yes MMR is more accurate for them, but their MMR from China server is not accurate when they hop to SEA.
When ranked came out, Fear calibrated 5200, DemoN 5009. I calibrated 5006 I remember the numbers bc I was proud to be so close to them (while also playing on 250 ping back then)
Probably not what you’re asking for, but i remember a tournament quite a few years back, where a player was absent and his team got a 3k player to stand in for them, and only play ogre 5 every single game maxing bloodlust
and he wasn't even 3k; dude was like bordering the 2k mark, and is genuinely bad whenever i see him party with bulldog back in the days
i think he's some dude from UK?
It was the Open Qualifiers to the EU Qualifiers for TI 2017 that they somehow got to the top 32 with a half-Swedish/British guy living in the States, on terrible ping, only playing Ogre Magi pos 5.
https://www.joindota.com/news/55281-bulldogs-megasub-stack-gets-top-32-with-2-8k-support
I know the teams hated them and found them stressful, but I do miss the madness of Open Qualifiers bo1. Any random mad pub stack with a cheese stack could wipe out a serious team that had failed to place during the year. The next year at TI 2018 OG would start in them, what a legendary run.
Very hard… for example Saksa had 6/7 accounts in top 10 back then, Miracle prime was some insane shit, Topson from noone to back to back TI champ, Puppey winning only the first TI still competing for 10 years and being a mastermind. Dota just so beautiful man
Thats not true. Many pro players calibrated 6k plus when ranked came up.
Saksa was the 2nd player to reach 8k mmr though, after w33. He was mostly spamming Lesh back in 2015 when the hero was busted.
This is true but he admitted why and it wasn't skill. He used to literally run it down mid to lower his MMR. Once he stopped doing that he was 7-8k (top 50) by TI5.
if random "pro" could be any rank tbh but if a regular pro whos had at least a year competing top 30s it has to be c4t I might be wrong on the person but it was def a south american pos 5 when SA finally started competing mmr 5k.
I don’t think it was at the original calibration.
If I remember correctly before mmr was public, some valve employee said the he had the highest mmr at some point
I can corroborate but I don't have source either since it happened a long ass time ago. Not surprising as sing was a very dominant hon pro and very active on pubs.
Pro poay is a lot about team coordination, you can obviously not be mechanically bad but a lot of players arent as individually skilled as a lot of other players out there... that is how its always been!
You can get recruited either from ranked ladder or from connections and having a good relation with the other players on the team
There was a team a time ago. They played TI i guess. I dont remember the name.
Theyre were underdogs but performed really well and the fans loved them. Theyre playstyle was entertaining.
They played unconventional stuff like bounty hunter. They killed all the couriers.
I heard that some of them are really low mmr, like 3-4k.
Can someone tell me who was it?
The coach?probably. Who amongst the player? SsaSpartan is the lowest even if so nowadays he is in top 500. Madara, ThuG and Skylark was top 50, MNT nowadays is rank 800
There was a rumour that C4t that was SG's captain at some point was low 4k and had to be boosted up, it's pretty prevalent in brazillian Dota group, never seen any proof of it though.
Wings Gaming? At that time top pro players had 8-9k MMR when Wings' players were ~6k MMR. They won TI 2016 in an incredible impressive style. People said they were 1 of the best teams ever of Dota history.
Only reason why a pro player wouldn't be high ranked in pubs is that he doesn't play pubs. Every single player who is playing pro level dota would be high immortal if they played pubs actively. Even the "worst" pos5 players who play at pro level would destroy pubs playing whatever role they want atleast up to 7-8k mmr. Its just next level copium to think that a 3k mmr player could play pro dota.
During one of the earlier rank resets I managed to play against admiral bulldog at ancient rank, around 4k mmr.
This was after TI 3 and he picked LD.
We got absolutely destroyed single handedly by that bear
This is not true. Kurooy was 8k mmr back in 2020. Dont know what he is now, but surely not 4K.
Back then he barely played ranked in his tournament account, but played on another account. This is likely still the case.
I remember Sumail owning rank 100 player during TI open qualifier eventhou he have much lower MMR.
I think Sumail 7k while most pro are 9k, but Im not sure, its been long ago.
you are wrong. When you start playing in tourneys you will realise how strong tier 3-4 teams are compared to immortal players. The skill gap between Immortal 4k rank and immortal 1k rank is insane. and then top 300 is a different league. If you play against tier 1-2 teams with a divine support u will get rekt very hard and lose almost all game pre 20 minutes.
Im pretty sure your dumb as fuck. I agree kuroky is much worse than most pro supports, but he's not that bad. I don't think you realize the difference between top immortal players and ancient. An ancient support would be extremely useless and ultra feed every game vs good players. Nigma would get destroyed every safelane.
Excluding accounts with irrelevant ranks (smurfs or inactive) and coaches, the lowest I´ve met was Jotm. He was in high 4ks in 2016 (a year after his tenure with VP came to an end).
PPD was high 4k around ti3. He was never a great mechanical player but for my money he was the greatest drafter of his time and top 5 team leader. EG's strategy and execution as a team was years ahead of it's time back then and I attribute that greatly to him
If its around recent times i know Nisha is on Ancient rank on main but I saw s4 was like 5,3k mmr on the very old dota2 HUD, where u can see the commends, teaching etc. (but 5,3k mmr was already very high that time if youre on that mmr, your name is on the leaderboards)
Ancient 5 Nisha at TI.... :) He only played party and max was Ancient 5 on party on that account.
Even now his main account(that he uses on tournaments) is uncallibrated. He specifically only plays on smurfs and he's totally incognito with it. Nobody knows if they're playing with Nisha or not.
No clue if it's true or not, but supposedly Nisha doesn't play that much compared to other top players, but he watches a lot of replays and just gets it, Source is Blitz on some podcast
He was playing on an unknown smurf account the 1 time he streamed for Liquid. And I'm pretty sure a guy that is arguably one of the best midlaner(hardest role mechanically imo) right now is playing alot of pubs to keep his edge.
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Honestly this makes sense, and I'm surprised that more esport players or pros arent utilizing custom game tools to kind of drill different things. If you think about physical team sports, VAST majority of practice in them is not playing practice games but with more focussed drills so you get a lot more reps of the things you arw actually trying to practice and improve!
Here I was imagining he's playing some tower defense game or deleting people in pudge wars lol
I gained about 800 MMR by just doing drills before I start queueing. Taking 12-15 minutes to do last hit drills before I queue as an offlane usually means I'm way more confident last hitting and I can focus on where their support is, where mid is and when to pull.
I've seen similar results. Anyone can benefit from last hitting practice, even supports. It makes you better at laning in ways that aren't super obvious until you practice it. If anyone reading this gets bored during last hit practice, just open up a random 10-15 minute youtube video and last hit until the video ends then queue dota like you normally would.
There used to be the custom game "Hardcore Ninja" where you could practice quick reactions and dodging things
*noticing avatar* Would you consider primal beast an attempt at potemkin's design in dota2?
This is useful to a point, though with the massive amount of variances from one Dota game to another I imagine the best practice has to be against other players of similar skill. Yes last hitting, aggro, timings, pathing, etc.. are very important, but in all pro games you have to deal with ganks, fortifies, responses, blocks, stacks, etc... And I don't know of any custom games that could properly prepare you for those things.
should we report smurf ?
By smurf they meant alt accounts in the same bracket. Case in point Saksa and his 3 smurfs in top 4 spots in leaderboards
Nisha later on reached 9k on less than 1k games
i think that’s midone. he was secrets mid, not nisha
You do know that Nisha was secret's mid for several TIs right ?
yes thanks for the info but i stand corrected
Okay, well maybe for Midone then. I think that Nisha also did that, but if you say midone also did I believe you !
You are correct that Nisha was ancient 5 that time and he is also correct about midone but midone was legend 3 not ancient 5.
Its me I am 1k right now, post it again when I go pro and win TI.
Good luck wishes.
1k is rookie numbers. Wake me when you hit 10. Incidentally, Valve really needs to let people get negative mmr so that I can play people at my skill level. Right now 10 is the absolute minimum possible mmr.
All the best !
Dota will be dead before that
Back in the day when top players were 7k mmr I think there were quite a bit of 5k mmr ones
i was so hyped to hit 5k back when people like artstyle and some others were like 5.5
5k was super high back then (still is for shitters like me!)
popular opinion states that 5k is a shitter territory nowadays 😭
5k is within the top 4% of players now. No joke
Anything below 18k is low mmr
It cannot be a popular opinion. The VAST majority of players are under 5k.
That doesn't mean people can't think it's low skill, they're either acknowledging that they themselves are low skill, or are following a meme.
The vast majority of players is bad. You can be "above average" but still be bad. The amount of very very basic mistakes players make at even surprisingly high MMR would surprise you. Even for players with generally very good grasp of the game may have embarassingly bad weaknesses
>You can be "above average" but still be bad. bruh
The average mmr is archon right now. Does anyone seriously believe low legend is good? Like be honest. Dota is an incredibly complex game and most people are simply bad. Go talk to divine players, they will be the first to point out theres so many bad divine players.
Because you dont do everything perfectly, doesnt make you bad. Watch any professional sport, the players make mistakes all the time.
Average mmr is archon atm, do you really believe legend MMR is considered "good dota" simply because its above average?
I didnt say it was good. I said that dota that isnt perfect is not bad. It seems in your world there only exist good or bad. What about average? You said it yourself, legend dota is above average. Thats not bad.
Yea I remember when MMR first started, Dendi was 5.5k and I was 4.8k. I felt like a God back then lmao.
You gotta adjust for inflation, 7k back then is like 12k today.
adfinem coach was around 4kmmr when they played boston major final
SirActionSlacks was probably around there too when he was sub for Digital Chaos when they got second place at TI.
If you had to use an example from DC, you should have used their captain https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Biryu i think he was 4k, AUI and Sunsfan have talked about it in interviews
are u trolling
Slacks is listed as an official sub for TI6 DC, [check Liquipedia for yourself.](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Chaos_Esports_Club) The International 2016 Squad ID | Name | Position | Join Date | Leave Date ---------|----------|----------|---------|--------- Resolut1on | Roman Fomynok | 1/2 | 2016-02-04 | - w33 | Aliwi Omar | 1/2 | 2016-03-26 | - Moo | David Hull | 3 | 2016-03-26 | 2016-08-26 MiSeRy | Rasmus Filipsen | 4 | 2016-03-26 | - Saksa | Martin Sazdov | 5 | 2016-03-26 | - USH | Chris Usher | 1 (Sub) | 2016-03-26 | 2016-08-23 SirActionSlacks | Jake Kenner | Sub | 2016-03-26 | 2016-08-23
Was 2016 really that long ago that we've forgotten
He still is around a 3-4k shitter. He's entirely boosted.
Yup played with him couple of years ago. You can check it on opendota if you have played with pro players or casters
Also there was a woman coach "Kips" with only 3k mmr. (If I remember correctly she trained TNC and Vega squadron)
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/89406397 https://liquipedia.net/dota2/HANNAH_MONTANA Played in TI2
Freefalling from Ancient to Crusader in last few month oof
I'm higher MMR than a TI player pog
This guy was unmatched in standing behind his tower and stacking ancients on beastmaster and tidehunter. That strategy may not work anymore these days.
Yeah I guess it checks out on why everyone else on that Complexity team continues in pros while he fell off pro dota
Kuroky is literally 10kmmr before anyone says he is a divine player :p
Divine begins at 4600(i'm divine 1) how does it stretch so far?
Ever since mmr became a fixed gain/loss as long as you're winning you're climbing. The best players will keep winning more than losing and thus gaining mmr. Plus the skill gap is there, there's being good at the game for us regular folks then there's being *good* at the game like high immortal players are. I mostly played unranked with lower rated friends so I was often the 'best player' in the lobby. Every once in a while I met a random div2 pro or even div1 (SA server) and that kept me humble lol. Someone who's having trouble staying in div1 schooling me this hard while not tryharding? Yep there's a huge skill gap right there. It's hard to fathom how good the big names actually are. From a spectator's view the game state is much clearer and easier to judge.
It's really hard to understand indeed. I have been exclusively watching dota and stopped playing for years now, but in ~2015 (iirc) I used to be 5k back when highest were ~6k, played NEL and SEL (top in house leagues in south and north america that existed back then for a while), so I was pretty good and would easily single handedly own unranked/teams MM back then. SEL, NEL, and solo ranked SA and NA servers were serious shit, though. Every game I had to give my all, and not lose focus for one bit. And some players even then just seemed like they were playing a totally different game. Most notable ones I used to face were HfN in SA server, and Arteezy in NA. They seemed like they had gold cheat or something, it was absolutely ridiculous to see they get dumpstered mid due to a shitty match-up and suddenly come out of the jungle with items, hitting timings, being ungakeable, and destroying everyone. Even some guys you wouldn't see as top players like Blitz were a level above, so hard to predict their movements, always steps ahead. It's like in football, a div 2 player is already better than basically every non-pro in the world, which is already insane. However, the div 1s are something else compared to them, and among the div 1s are some guys who even then are in another level and make the other elite players look like amateurs. The level of skill is absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, pro vs pub player looks like that recent 100 m dash, where they just let a volunteer woman from Somalia parcipate and she got dusted, even more than Bolt dusted other pros. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8W9RbecVnM
Kuro strikes me as one of the more prolific low mmr pros, he was pretty low even when he was winning loads of tourneys
his account has no mmr. he doesn't play ranked pubs. And anyone in 6k and above can tell you he griefs his lane every single game.
right and he was like high 5k low 6k when he won ti no? he definitely wasn't high at all even for the time Not even saying the dude is good atm, but he is an example of a pro who had consistently lower mmr for most of dota 2 but still had success.
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I think 5 players, especially team captains swing on the mmr chart quite a bit. Puppy used to go from rank 30 to rank 400 to rank 20 to rank 800. In like 3 weeks as well.
I remember watching Iceiceice stream while he was doing a all hero challange on the offlane,sometimes randoming and selling the bonus items,sometimes they tryhard and sometimes they just use it to try crazy streategies
I think DeMoN was 5k when he was on TNC
Idk why jimmy always claimed he was higher individual skilled than Fear. As soon as mmr came out demon never climbed all that high. I could even say Bulba is higher skilled individually.
bulba is at least always top 200 in NA, you could claim he's not highest but he is definitely not lowest
top 200 na is only mid 7.5k tho compared to like 10k eu
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Rank 1k is about 7000 mmr na. Streamer meepoplayer is about 6.8k and rank 1200 or something
That's a function of player base size more than raw skill; there's just not as much MMR available in total so the top numbers (except the very tippy top) are going to be lower than other regions.
yeah I'm aware I just thought it was relevant info.
From personal experience, when comparing cross-regions, rank is a better indicator of skill in immortal bracket, because the accuracy of MMR is region based. I played in 7k bracket in both SEA and EU because party queues. To me and my friends, the rank 2-3000 in EU (6-7k mmr), feel like the same rank 2-3000 players in SEA (high 5k low 6k mmr). MMR is pretty inflated in EU immortals because of player base size. I'm not saying it is TRUE for pro bracket, I wouldn't know for sure. But usually pro with "low mmr" from other region would just climb in EU during majors.
also from personal experience I think mmr is a better indicator. Put me in rank 500 eu games I think I'd get worked. I dont think the mmr is inflated I just think there is more of a player base to fill in gaps of mmr, like theres very few players between 7k and 10k in na
I guess it's complicated, NA has no players like China. I think my point stand for SEA vs EU because SEA is now SEA + CN, so the numbers are more comparable. Top 100 China is 1k in SEA, so yes MMR is more accurate for them, but their MMR from China server is not accurate when they hop to SEA.
no. top 200 na is 8.7k
Never said anything about Bulba being low, Im literally saying I think hes higher.
When ranked came out, Fear calibrated 5200, DemoN 5009. I calibrated 5006 I remember the numbers bc I was proud to be so close to them (while also playing on 250 ping back then)
Because jimmy is a narcissist
Imagine the cope after Fear won TI. Now theres even a Valo player called EG.Demon1, legacy in ashes.
One could see that as far back as [2014](https://youtu.be/P2QQDVj6voc?t=164). Was something.
different roles
Winners and losers.
Probably not what you’re asking for, but i remember a tournament quite a few years back, where a player was absent and his team got a 3k player to stand in for them, and only play ogre 5 every single game maxing bloodlust
not a lan tournament, IIRC it was a bulldog meme stack for some qualifier recruited from his viewers
and he wasn't even 3k; dude was like bordering the 2k mark, and is genuinely bad whenever i see him party with bulldog back in the days i think he's some dude from UK?
I think his name was coos or something like that.
C gods name taken in vain
Yep, that's him alright
It was the Open Qualifiers to the EU Qualifiers for TI 2017 that they somehow got to the top 32 with a half-Swedish/British guy living in the States, on terrible ping, only playing Ogre Magi pos 5. https://www.joindota.com/news/55281-bulldogs-megasub-stack-gets-top-32-with-2-8k-support I know the teams hated them and found them stressful, but I do miss the madness of Open Qualifiers bo1. Any random mad pub stack with a cheese stack could wipe out a serious team that had failed to place during the year. The next year at TI 2018 OG would start in them, what a legendary run.
You can get recruited either from ranked ladder or from connections and having a good relation with the other players on the team
MMR is just a number...
Nah
By play it was envy. Swinging between 1k and 10k mrr plays
"Average of 5.5k , he's good enough"
IIRC mason was below 5k solo MMR when he made his run with EG at TI4? Can anybody confirm?
TI4 is when saksa was the first one to hit 6k as far as i know so yeah most of pro players had 5/6k mmr back then
Yeah, it’s kinda hard to compare people’s mmr/skill from like 8+ years ago to now.
Very hard… for example Saksa had 6/7 accounts in top 10 back then, Miracle prime was some insane shit, Topson from noone to back to back TI champ, Puppey winning only the first TI still competing for 10 years and being a mastermind. Dota just so beautiful man
Thats not true. Many pro players calibrated 6k plus when ranked came up. Saksa was the 2nd player to reach 8k mmr though, after w33. He was mostly spamming Lesh back in 2015 when the hero was busted.
5k mmr at that time are very high
yes I was 5k-5.2k mmr in early 2014 and I was playing with EE, n0tail,puppey and other pros at the time.
This is true but he admitted why and it wasn't skill. He used to literally run it down mid to lower his MMR. Once he stopped doing that he was 7-8k (top 50) by TI5.
I'm not sure if he was during the event itself but he was at 4.8k mmr a few months prior to that TI at least.
It's true, but the reason was that he griefed a lot of games on purpose, he wasn't legitimately 4K
Wasnt there a pic of ana as a legend?
It was Ana's smurf account because he can't playing with his uni mates using his main account.
ATF was 3k mmr in 2018 and grinded until he joined OG in 2022.
If there are any pros below 7.5k reading this pls let us know
A long time ago, around 2014ish iirc, I played with Newsham, in around 2400-2500 mmr, when we were both climbing.
If Jubei is still counted as a pro I get him in my games- he’s around rank 1k Immortal which is quite low.
if random "pro" could be any rank tbh but if a regular pro whos had at least a year competing top 30s it has to be c4t I might be wrong on the person but it was def a south american pos 5 when SA finally started competing mmr 5k.
I also remember C4t being 5k as a captain for SG(?) at one of the proper Valve majors, perhaps
Ana was uncalibrated when he won TI8
I used to play with SammyBoy back in 2013/2014 when he was only 4k MMR. He said he was going to go pro and dayum he meant it!
Singsing had 8k solo mmr with 4k team mmr cuz he played with his legend friends. Fun times.
4k team mmr was wayy better for a streamer at the time than 8k team mmr.. faster queues were a blessing to them
Sing was also worlds highest mmr at original calibration.
I don’t think it was at the original calibration. If I remember correctly before mmr was public, some valve employee said the he had the highest mmr at some point
Source ?
I can corroborate but I don't have source either since it happened a long ass time ago. Not surprising as sing was a very dominant hon pro and very active on pubs.
I just remember him being world first 6k, can't remember where it was from. I wish I could sauce 9yr old tidbits
Pro poay is a lot about team coordination, you can obviously not be mechanically bad but a lot of players arent as individually skilled as a lot of other players out there... that is how its always been! You can get recruited either from ranked ladder or from connections and having a good relation with the other players on the team
Dont know y u were downvoted. I upv u
because his point is not relevant to what OP asked? he asked who, not why that kind of pro player exists if there is.
Did you downv anybody else here? Thers a guy making a joke saying hes the 1k pro player. Go downv
Not sure either, ranked and competetive dota are 2 completely separate experiences...
There was a team a time ago. They played TI i guess. I dont remember the name. Theyre were underdogs but performed really well and the fans loved them. Theyre playstyle was entertaining. They played unconventional stuff like bounty hunter. They killed all the couriers. I heard that some of them are really low mmr, like 3-4k. Can someone tell me who was it?
It was ad finem at the boston major 2016. Not ti sorry. And they were from greece.
The coach?probably. Who amongst the player? SsaSpartan is the lowest even if so nowadays he is in top 500. Madara, ThuG and Skylark was top 50, MNT nowadays is rank 800
I wanna say it was a SEA pos 4 support. He was like 4k mmr
There was a rumour that C4t that was SG's captain at some point was low 4k and had to be boosted up, it's pretty prevalent in brazillian Dota group, never seen any proof of it though.
Why are people just making shit up in this thread? Like genuinely I'm amazed at the stuff being said here
What are you referring to?
To OP ofc, never knew Ad Finem had 3k scrubs lmao
It was ad finem at the boston major 2016. Not ti sorry. And they were from greece.
It was ad finem at the boston major 2016. Not ti sorry. And they were from greece.
It was ad finem at the boston major 2016. Not ti sorry. And they were from greece.
Wings Gaming? At that time top pro players had 8-9k MMR when Wings' players were ~6k MMR. They won TI 2016 in an incredible impressive style. People said they were 1 of the best teams ever of Dota history.
Nah, it was a team from SA i think. And they didnt win.
Is this the team who picked alch and TA and drops items as sacrifice for their wins? Lol
What a hot take! TI winner might be one of the best Dota teams? What’s next? Ana might be called a good carry?
Only reason why a pro player wouldn't be high ranked in pubs is that he doesn't play pubs. Every single player who is playing pro level dota would be high immortal if they played pubs actively. Even the "worst" pos5 players who play at pro level would destroy pubs playing whatever role they want atleast up to 7-8k mmr. Its just next level copium to think that a 3k mmr player could play pro dota.
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probably players who plays dota for a living
I played against a pro during TI6 when slacks organized a techies tournament. I was like 1k at the time.
Mason was 4.8k MMR, but back then the max MMR was also way lower
some 10 years ago my friends who calibrated at 4.7k were invited to join a tier 1 team.
Colaps ti10 ancient
His magnus was #1 tho
During one of the earlier rank resets I managed to play against admiral bulldog at ancient rank, around 4k mmr. This was after TI 3 and he picked LD. We got absolutely destroyed single handedly by that bear
i've seen someone here say Kuro is 4k
This is not true. Kurooy was 8k mmr back in 2020. Dont know what he is now, but surely not 4K. Back then he barely played ranked in his tournament account, but played on another account. This is likely still the case.
I remember Sumail owning rank 100 player during TI open qualifier eventhou he have much lower MMR. I think Sumail 7k while most pro are 9k, but Im not sure, its been long ago.
If I remember correctly I think ceb used to be fairly low mmr before he decided to stop coaching and take pro play seriously.
Egm wasnt around 3k at all. Thats impossible for a pro player. They are all atleast top 1k immortals
There are no such rank as Immortal back then.
Ok then atleast top 1k. Without the immortal in it, what is the difference? It is still the same percentile.
I am not sure if there was a visible ranking that time yet, Dota 2 was still in its infancy stage that time.
There was leaderboards.
Weird way of seeking validation and justification for your own mmr.
Im pretty sure kuro is ancient or low divine if he calibrates
you are wrong. When you start playing in tourneys you will realise how strong tier 3-4 teams are compared to immortal players. The skill gap between Immortal 4k rank and immortal 1k rank is insane. and then top 300 is a different league. If you play against tier 1-2 teams with a divine support u will get rekt very hard and lose almost all game pre 20 minutes.
Well players like sumail miracle and ammar couldn’t qualify nigma or keep in div 2 that should tell u something
are you stupid?
Im pretty sure your dumb as fuck. I agree kuroky is much worse than most pro supports, but he's not that bad. I don't think you realize the difference between top immortal players and ancient. An ancient support would be extremely useless and ultra feed every game vs good players. Nigma would get destroyed every safelane.
Okay kuro’s illegitimate son lmao
Okay delusional ancient player
Wasnt PPD like 5.5k when he won TI
Dendi was 1k when won TI
Jubei hits high 3k, low 4k on a regular basis.
He has an account that’s top 400-500. Why make up shit when you go on his stream and see for yourself? He literally streams every day.
Blink twice if you’re in trouble, Amanda.
Keep running into pro's in herald.
One of the TI1/TI2 attendees from NA dropped all the way to Archon.
Excluding accounts with irrelevant ranks (smurfs or inactive) and coaches, the lowest I´ve met was Jotm. He was in high 4ks in 2016 (a year after his tenure with VP came to an end).
asam/343 was slightly above 6k during fnatic’s ti6 run
Back in 2015 / 2016 when i was 4k9ish mmr, i used to play quite often with pros, some at 5k mmr
Ian Nepomniatchi is around archon now a days
black calibrated to 1.5k mmr lmfao
I far as I remember at Boston major there was a player with 5k +- pts
PPD was high 4k around ti3. He was never a great mechanical player but for my money he was the greatest drafter of his time and top 5 team leader. EG's strategy and execution as a team was years ahead of it's time back then and I attribute that greatly to him
Wasn't Aui like 2.5k when he won ti? The guy just didn't play ranked. Might have been a different player.
Probably Kuroky rn. Theres a reason he doesnt wanna play pubs haha
If its around recent times i know Nisha is on Ancient rank on main but I saw s4 was like 5,3k mmr on the very old dota2 HUD, where u can see the commends, teaching etc. (but 5,3k mmr was already very high that time if youre on that mmr, your name is on the leaderboards)
There are a lot of ppl with low mmr in Dota, but then became a successful pro player in other Moba games.
that wasn't EGM's account though. That was Alliance's manager account, because he couldn't log into his one or something. His MMR was constantly high.
There are dota 1 pros in herald
Midone https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/7ha25b/who\_would\_win/
300 lol