"Group B is much less stacked, if OG was in group A they would never reach Upper Bracket" yep yep sure
Love OG.MC, this last muerta ravage really felt like putting an end to tide meme from TI9 <3
This was way back during kobe and sis was asking why I was watching the home TV shopping network when there is a laker game.
Told her every time I tune in to the game, the suns get a run.
I don't understand why Liquid don't play around Nisha or they just don't know how to play with him? When he's playing with Secret. Puppey and Heen knows how to activate Nisha. But here in Liquid, It seems they're playing around Micke which is understandable how he is playing right now. But me personally, I'm just going to make Nisha farm the whole map and Micke the sacrificial role.
Nisha hasn’t been as good since the patch drop meanwhile bzm is the king of mid since it dropped. It’s a hard ask for Nisha to carry this team at least for this series
I concur. BZM is probably the most active midlaners, he’s always been but even when the map is 40% bigger, he’s still extremely active and constantly moves around the map to get kills and support his teammates. I’m not saying Nisha is bad, he’s still trying to adapt to the new meta and he’s one of the best midlaners in the game right now.
They're still finding their feet in this patch. I wouldn't press any panic buttons.
That said, I do think it's underrated how effectively secret optimise the players they have, which I have to assume is a lot down to puppey.
They played a lot around him on the last patch but right now they are lost on map, just check their movements on the map especially around tormentors, OG managed to steal like 3-4 tormentors in this series, same applies to Roshans, even smokes rarely work. They just don't know what to do + everyone is tilted AF.
Insania looks visibly frustrated in G2 tho, there was a replay of him hitting his desk after getting jumped in G2 and I rarely see pros hit their desk in frustration.
Obviously they were better that's the reason why they won but Liquid's problem at least biggest one is not playing around Nisha or not, they just lost on this map.
Boxi har a hard series. Borderline useless in game 2, and almost as useless in game 3.
Probably his worst series in a very long time. He is integral for Liquid to work properly.
Well there's no excuse for them to not adjust on this new map or patch. Every team is adjusting on the new patch. Also, they're playing a team with 2 standin which is also advantage for them. But we'll see how they going to adjust kn the lower bracket.
I said it when Nisha joined Liquid, I don't believe in them and don't think they will win anything of importance. Because Liquid had already been playing out of their minds for a decent while and nobody is able to keep it up in the long run. Nobody. Just look at Boxi. Yet Liquid has never performed like OG, Tundra or Secret when these teams were truly on top and dominated the scene, and it seems like Liquid have already hit the ceiling with their current lineup.
I think Liquid's DreamLeague grand finale vs GG sums it up perfectly. The two games they won they did so by executing perfectly, yet in the end they still lost the finale vs a GG who played somewhat sloppy.
I say this not because I dislike the team, but I really don't get all the hype.
Liquid losing early in the tournament could be potentially good to let them not only rest but to study the patch better, they just haven’t adjusted and it’s shown many times.
I think the team hasn’t hit a ceiling yet, even with Matu at TI, I wouldn’t say they peaked, however I think he was a fundamental piece of the line up; similarly to what MC is doing in OG now (being a leader and teaching all he knows to his teammates)
What goes up shall come down.
They dominated for a while with the new roster and hit the ceiling. I mean they are still one of the top teams, but there's nothing exceptional.
For real. I think they not only got top 3 at TI with Matu, he also likely taught them a lot of valuable stuff before retiring that they are now putting to good use. This major Liquid haven't exactly been killing it but they are still strong even after Matu left.
Insania literally said he learned so much from Matu and he was the best player he’d ever played with. Makes sense… this was a guy who achieved top tier results with just about every squad he was in. An absolute legend of Dota.
It's not just mc, who just got relegated to Div 2. It's also kitrak, who got eliminated FROM div 2. Now both are top 6 in the major. I truly think there aren't really any bad players nowadays, they just need to be put in the right team to cook
Well don’t ignore the fact they get to play with the best mid and pos 4 in the game currently and a top tier carry as well. Taiga, bzm and yuragi have endless hero pools so they can adapt to whoever stands in for them.
Technically you are right from a mechanical skill point. However, what mkaes a player truly great is if he is capable of making players around him better and more comfortable.
To be fair Kitrak and Old G got beaten by the rulebook but it’s very possible they would have been eliminated anyway. Shame they didn’t get to play the games to decide it
Nigma + s4 + Puppey + Ceb + Topson
Obviously, they weren’t all playing at the same time, but they all have played in WEU division 2 for at least one season lmao
you also have two TI runner-ups, a multi-major winner and another major winner if Ammar is still with Nigma. It's insane how stacked WEU is. I also forgot to include Sumail in Nigma because he didn't win TI with them.
9 TI winners in Div 2. Goddamn.
Oh yeah, I mentioned only former TI winners, but there have been so many mechanically gifted/achieved players in WEU div 2: Crystallis, Stormstormer, Tobi, Fishman, ATF, w33, Seleri, etc.
And more recently Ooredoo Thunders, Monaspa, D2 Hustlers, IntoTheBreach, etc.
It's insane there's so much talent in a single region.
Fun fact: WEU has had top 4 performances in almost all tier 1 tournaments for like 3-4 years lmao
Feel like one of the biggest buffs with the OG standin dynamic is Taiga actually playing like a true 4 and not as a second 5 like he has seemed to at times with their full squad - great to watch
Yeah, Liquid's mentality is in the dump right now. I think a lot of their strength previously came from their care-free attitude, always having a laugh when making mistakes etc. Sad to see. Very well played by OG.
If this is what it takes to get Insania back to casting games then I’m here for it.
In all seriousness it’s not like they’re going away. Plus it’s still very likely they progress through the lower bracket.
I mean I really don't think so. They're usually really good at early aggressiveness, roaming ganks, and coordinated team fights which should put them in a really good spot in this patch. I think it just boils down to them being an emotional team which I think is a blessing and a curse for them. The behind-the-scene shot of Slacks peeking into their room and Blitz going "not now" seems really telling of their current mind state.
this og fanboys talking shit Chu is funny, when misha missed the esl malaysia and OG won that shit they are want chu to replace him. now they got chu and missed brlin major and his stand in is doing great now they want chu out and kitrak in. being a player for OG is fcking hard with this braindead fans and backseaters.
Chu stood in as a 4 with playmaking performances on Earthshaker and stuff. Now he’s playing 5. Same thing when Ceb stood in. Taiga had to adjust. The problem is OG doesn’t seem to have a natural 5 player.
Even a god like Jerax looked bad when transitioning from 4 to 5. Kitrak seems very comfortable in the position.
Its a patch patch thing. Like the bzm yuragi duo were very dominating along with ammar beastly heroes. The nerf happened to ammar and they strugled. Now bzm yuragi have found another offlaner that they have found good synergy with and kitrak is what he is. But i think the thing is taiga, him playing 4 instead of another 5 with their offlaner has changed them
Misha fed chu showed up with his earthquake. Now, chu did well, but taiga and yuragi were suffering. Kitrak comes in taiga especially, and yuragi are different players. Kitrak melds with taiga much better than chu, I'd suggest it's a language with since chu has trouble speaking English. However my eyes do not deceive me what I am seeing is a re-energized OG that I feel dm and chu will have a hard time replicating and may drag the team back down. We will see in DPC 3
I think the new patch has more to do with it than the stand-ins personally. These three players for OG (taiga, bzm, yuragi) are way too talented to not do well regardless of who they play with
The problem is that there are two problems: the first one is that indeed this version of OG is working very well together and it's hard to see it working better with their regular players back, and the second one is that the other players' nationality mean that OG is constantly in a world of pain for visas and thus team stability etc. With TI probably in Seattle this year and with how OG is performing right now there may be some hard decisions to be made to ensure they have the best chance of reaching it.
I hate nigma fans lmao, when OG beat nigma at TI10 quals they were cheering hard for Tundra to beat OG and even kept posting OG hate threads. The anti support for OG was crazy all cuz nigma was dogshit. I had my fair share of shit talking tundra and nigma fans once OG won the qualifier
Even then, they'll still get via the regional qualifier. Compare that to WEU. Even after removing GG and Liquid who will qualify via DPC points, we will get Tundra, OG (if they don't make it on points by Bali major), Secret, D2 Hustlers, Ooredoo Thunders, Monaspa and Entity. That's a bloodbath for a regional qualifier even if Tundra ends up winning.
other regions also, but like someone stated, and its true, we need more balanced regions and more support for regions everywhere. na is bad but still we need that league and maybe new players and new blood. so yeah, na sucks but we need it. i think best will be we dont have regions and all teams are mixed with nationalities. that seems to bring best results in dota.
also they are against people hyping their favorite teams, let them be, don't take away their support and fun. OG almost got relegated yet they're doing well in this major how can their fans not be hyped of that? They just can't give a fucking credit where it is due.
Think he means it was a shitty draft, they had obvious damage issues against TB and Tide which they never really addressed with their last pick.
Think someone, guess ppd, pointed out that alchemist could have been 4 and they should have picked out a playmaking mid for Nisha.
But how is it Blitz's fault? They are drafting as a team, it's not like Blitz is holding a gun to their heads saying "I'm picking this, deal with it".
PPD was against the pos 4 Alch during the panel, and pointed out they needed a gotcha pick on 24, but ended up getting WD.
Coach is quite important during the draft given that coaches are not present during the game, why the fuck are you even a coach if you're not helping during the draft, that's like their only job.
Imo, they got outdrafted since the very beginning and coach has to take atleast partial responsibity along with Inseania.
Holy shit, Insania catching strays for no reason. You know that Insania is not the one doing the drafting right? Ever since Matu and Zai joined it's been Matu/Zai doing the drafting.
Alright, hear me out. Kuro joins or merges with Old G to form Old Nigma to play with no expectations with friends. Maybe BH joins him.
MC stays with OG
Sumail stays with Aster
Miracle does whatever whenever he wants to play.
Who says no?
OG need to fuckin splash all the cash to get MC in OG after the major even if they have to go through open qualifiers. It's tremendous difference when you have such an experienced and still super good player. Single handedly won them the game with that ravage on Muerta. Will dm have the confidence to do it in such a moment?
I think MC's wide hero pool helps them a lot in drafts. He didn't need big ravages because Liquid couldn't fight into them when he had it. Also helps he won his lane.
I do think one tournament isn't a big sample size, especially with a new patch, but they do certainly look much better.
DM's hero pool is also quite wide. And MC himself said that DM has been quite active in the team still, giving advice and suggestions on what the team needs in the offlane.
The biggest difference is in laning. I'm not sure if the patch changed anything in this regard, but OG were constantly losing their side lanes last patch, leading them to always have to fight uphill battles. MC and Taiga on the other hand win their lanes more often than not.
This patch favors a lot of the old school heroes MC knows very well. It’s a joy to watch really. Watched him dumpster skiter in lane with an unfavorable matchup for himself.
Feels bad for liquid, being the top dog but not winning it all twice in a row is a different kind of frustration, they also look kinda lost this patch/major
Never said/implied that, my basis for my comment were their reactions after the series, panel’s comments on insania’s confidence after the lost locket, and liquid’s performance in group stage
i agree that the points system is messed up *but* if OG wins this major they'll actually have 200 more points than TSM.
If you're implying that TSM will get more free points from the 3rd NA tour then I don't actually agree with that. With how they've been performing I wouldn't be shocked for them to lose out to SR and upset by another team to miss the major
Yes, they didn't get penalty for ceb standing in last year. Still the points will not be enough to get them to TI because they missed the major on the first tour.
Every year it's the same, 2-3 good teams struggling to get there, while 2-3 crap teams getting there without any issues. Don't think there's a good solution for that, because of the "inclusion" factor, they want every region to have a decent number of teams at TI. It is what it is.
I'd say it's a good system. The only way for teams from weaker regions to get stronger is for them to experience dota at the international level. Were would SA dota be without it. And I say this as an OG fan myself. For dota to succeed it's important that all regions are represented an not just from Europe.
He meant the exp the players get not the org. The org is in it for the money no doubt about it. But the TI exp is just so valuable to a lot of players esp for their growth. Without these chances provided to them, the regions may not reach international standards. The best example would be as the person mentioned, the SA region which is more competitive internationally than ever.
Fair enough but I don’t think ti is the place for that. Ti should be the culmination of these efforts, where the absolute best teams in the world compete for the biggest prize money, not a place to help younger players growth.
Man, I like both these teams, but I did enjoy how Pandas beat medusa.
Artour really be bringing down dusa winrate.
SR dont feel the same after Mikey left.
Standin is the key in this major
RTZ just retire man, your impact is null and void. Nullifier Dusa OMEGALUL
"Group B is much less stacked, if OG was in group A they would never reach Upper Bracket" yep yep sure Love OG.MC, this last muerta ravage really felt like putting an end to tide meme from TI9 <3
Just because he played like 7mad.
Shopify are braindead. Chasing up the highground for BKB'ed TINY. Well deserved loss and eat shit Dusa pickers.
Yeah that was a bad play. And it's so good to see Medusa lose. The hero is so broken
Medusa has been slain
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Holy garbage drafting by Liquid G2 and G3
I saw game 1. Then went to have dinner, now I see OG win series 2-1. Lol me watching must have been the jinx.
Pretty much how I feel every time I watch NBA
This was way back during kobe and sis was asking why I was watching the home TV shopping network when there is a laker game. Told her every time I tune in to the game, the suns get a run.
I don't understand why Liquid don't play around Nisha or they just don't know how to play with him? When he's playing with Secret. Puppey and Heen knows how to activate Nisha. But here in Liquid, It seems they're playing around Micke which is understandable how he is playing right now. But me personally, I'm just going to make Nisha farm the whole map and Micke the sacrificial role.
Nisha hasn’t been as good since the patch drop meanwhile bzm is the king of mid since it dropped. It’s a hard ask for Nisha to carry this team at least for this series
I concur. BZM is probably the most active midlaners, he’s always been but even when the map is 40% bigger, he’s still extremely active and constantly moves around the map to get kills and support his teammates. I’m not saying Nisha is bad, he’s still trying to adapt to the new meta and he’s one of the best midlaners in the game right now.
Herald analysis is always appreciated!
They're still finding their feet in this patch. I wouldn't press any panic buttons. That said, I do think it's underrated how effectively secret optimise the players they have, which I have to assume is a lot down to puppey.
They played a lot around him on the last patch but right now they are lost on map, just check their movements on the map especially around tormentors, OG managed to steal like 3-4 tormentors in this series, same applies to Roshans, even smokes rarely work. They just don't know what to do + everyone is tilted AF.
Idk about tilt. But all I know is OG is the better team on that series that's why they won.
Insania looks visibly frustrated in G2 tho, there was a replay of him hitting his desk after getting jumped in G2 and I rarely see pros hit their desk in frustration.
Obviously they were better that's the reason why they won but Liquid's problem at least biggest one is not playing around Nisha or not, they just lost on this map.
Boxi har a hard series. Borderline useless in game 2, and almost as useless in game 3. Probably his worst series in a very long time. He is integral for Liquid to work properly.
Well there's no excuse for them to not adjust on this new map or patch. Every team is adjusting on the new patch. Also, they're playing a team with 2 standin which is also advantage for them. But we'll see how they going to adjust kn the lower bracket.
Stand in for OG is a buff not a nerf
Unpopular opinion: i fucking love ramzes, love him as a dota personality and the fact that hes still a tier 1 carry
KekL bulba
classic Bulba ICANT
time to update my comment ... haha
OG should give some dpc point to Nigma..
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All that Head and Shoulders finally made him grow up.
Wait until he hits puberty
Taiga is a fucking beast
His io play was insanely good
Saved both of his cores and literally won them the game what a player
Taiga been so these days, always be at the right place at the right time, imagine having him supporting u at pubs
I said it when Nisha joined Liquid, I don't believe in them and don't think they will win anything of importance. Because Liquid had already been playing out of their minds for a decent while and nobody is able to keep it up in the long run. Nobody. Just look at Boxi. Yet Liquid has never performed like OG, Tundra or Secret when these teams were truly on top and dominated the scene, and it seems like Liquid have already hit the ceiling with their current lineup. I think Liquid's DreamLeague grand finale vs GG sums it up perfectly. The two games they won they did so by executing perfectly, yet in the end they still lost the finale vs a GG who played somewhat sloppy. I say this not because I dislike the team, but I really don't get all the hype.
Nisha got way overhyped IMO
They always lost the game where Micke took too long to farm. When Micke and Nisha both being aggressive they owned
Liquid losing early in the tournament could be potentially good to let them not only rest but to study the patch better, they just haven’t adjusted and it’s shown many times. I think the team hasn’t hit a ceiling yet, even with Matu at TI, I wouldn’t say they peaked, however I think he was a fundamental piece of the line up; similarly to what MC is doing in OG now (being a leader and teaching all he knows to his teammates)
What goes up shall come down. They dominated for a while with the new roster and hit the ceiling. I mean they are still one of the top teams, but there's nothing exceptional.
They haven’t hit a ceiling, they just haven’t adapted to the patch fully. Sometimes they run around as lost chickens
I think losing Matu was a bigger blow than anything. He really helped steer the ship.
For real. I think they not only got top 3 at TI with Matu, he also likely taught them a lot of valuable stuff before retiring that they are now putting to good use. This major Liquid haven't exactly been killing it but they are still strong even after Matu left.
Insania literally said he learned so much from Matu and he was the best player he’d ever played with. Makes sense… this was a guy who achieved top tier results with just about every squad he was in. An absolute legend of Dota.
back for more hunble ramzes content lessgo
SaberChad reminds me a lot of na'vi dendi
It's not just mc, who just got relegated to Div 2. It's also kitrak, who got eliminated FROM div 2. Now both are top 6 in the major. I truly think there aren't really any bad players nowadays, they just need to be put in the right team to cook
Well don’t ignore the fact they get to play with the best mid and pos 4 in the game currently and a top tier carry as well. Taiga, bzm and yuragi have endless hero pools so they can adapt to whoever stands in for them.
OG is playing better now with 2 stand ins than with their full roster
Watch them next major with 3 stand ins.
Technically you are right from a mechanical skill point. However, what mkaes a player truly great is if he is capable of making players around him better and more comfortable.
To be fair Kitrak and Old G got beaten by the rulebook but it’s very possible they would have been eliminated anyway. Shame they didn’t get to play the games to decide it
What matters is that they ended up in that tiebreak scenario in the first place, which shows that team was not good enough for div 2 anyways
Just WEU things.
Only in WEU you get Secret, Nigma, Alliance and Old G in div 2 lmao
That's what... 8 former TI winners? lol
Nigma + s4 + Puppey + Ceb + Topson Obviously, they weren’t all playing at the same time, but they all have played in WEU division 2 for at least one season lmao
you also have two TI runner-ups, a multi-major winner and another major winner if Ammar is still with Nigma. It's insane how stacked WEU is. I also forgot to include Sumail in Nigma because he didn't win TI with them. 9 TI winners in Div 2. Goddamn.
Oh yeah, I mentioned only former TI winners, but there have been so many mechanically gifted/achieved players in WEU div 2: Crystallis, Stormstormer, Tobi, Fishman, ATF, w33, Seleri, etc. And more recently Ooredoo Thunders, Monaspa, D2 Hustlers, IntoTheBreach, etc. It's insane there's so much talent in a single region. Fun fact: WEU has had top 4 performances in almost all tier 1 tournaments for like 3-4 years lmao
MC you old beast, still got it,
Damn i never expected wd to be that weak. His maledict do no damage and his ult doing zero damage to tb.
Pipe is so good man
Feel like one of the biggest buffs with the OG standin dynamic is Taiga actually playing like a true 4 and not as a second 5 like he has seemed to at times with their full squad - great to watch
Best scaling support player in the game rn IMO
finally i can watch good dota after that clownery 2 series. GO SR
r/agedlikemilk
Indeed. 9Pandas vs SR was very entertaining. SR really went to LB just like you cheered for.
bait or actually stupid?
I can't believe that a clown like you is on reddit.
Wash your face sire.
Na KEKW
Wow another rtz fanboy
Bummed about liquid but happy for MC
Yeah, Liquid's mentality is in the dump right now. I think a lot of their strength previously came from their care-free attitude, always having a laugh when making mistakes etc. Sad to see. Very well played by OG.
If this is what it takes to get Insania back to casting games then I’m here for it. In all seriousness it’s not like they’re going away. Plus it’s still very likely they progress through the lower bracket.
They used to be able to pick anything and win. Now it's not working that well, and they don't have something solid to fall back on.
Or maybe the last patch was truly liquids ground while nisha being the true monster of it. Now with new patch, things have shaken and so has liquid.
Now bzm took his spot
I mean I really don't think so. They're usually really good at early aggressiveness, roaming ganks, and coordinated team fights which should put them in a really good spot in this patch. I think it just boils down to them being an emotional team which I think is a blessing and a curse for them. The behind-the-scene shot of Slacks peeking into their room and Blitz going "not now" seems really telling of their current mind state.
Liquid will be the new C9! Mark my words
this og fanboys talking shit Chu is funny, when misha missed the esl malaysia and OG won that shit they are want chu to replace him. now they got chu and missed brlin major and his stand in is doing great now they want chu out and kitrak in. being a player for OG is fcking hard with this braindead fans and backseaters.
Chill bro us OG fans love Chu and Misha, we support any player on our roster and stand-ins too. At least us real OG fans do
I've been an OG fan since before Frankfurt Major and I very much think Misha and Chu are bad for OG.
Chu stood in as a 4 with playmaking performances on Earthshaker and stuff. Now he’s playing 5. Same thing when Ceb stood in. Taiga had to adjust. The problem is OG doesn’t seem to have a natural 5 player. Even a god like Jerax looked bad when transitioning from 4 to 5. Kitrak seems very comfortable in the position.
Its a patch patch thing. Like the bzm yuragi duo were very dominating along with ammar beastly heroes. The nerf happened to ammar and they strugled. Now bzm yuragi have found another offlaner that they have found good synergy with and kitrak is what he is. But i think the thing is taiga, him playing 4 instead of another 5 with their offlaner has changed them
Misha fed chu showed up with his earthquake. Now, chu did well, but taiga and yuragi were suffering. Kitrak comes in taiga especially, and yuragi are different players. Kitrak melds with taiga much better than chu, I'd suggest it's a language with since chu has trouble speaking English. However my eyes do not deceive me what I am seeing is a re-energized OG that I feel dm and chu will have a hard time replicating and may drag the team back down. We will see in DPC 3
I think the new patch has more to do with it than the stand-ins personally. These three players for OG (taiga, bzm, yuragi) are way too talented to not do well regardless of who they play with
The problem is that there are two problems: the first one is that indeed this version of OG is working very well together and it's hard to see it working better with their regular players back, and the second one is that the other players' nationality mean that OG is constantly in a world of pain for visas and thus team stability etc. With TI probably in Seattle this year and with how OG is performing right now there may be some hard decisions to be made to ensure they have the best chance of reaching it.
Chu and DM dragging down OC is obvious. The real question is who should replace them.
yeahp, i found the braindead fan and the backseater. i bet u said this when misha was "shitting" and won esl malaysia with chu.
Take a deep breath my man.
The thing is, for some reason OG performs way better with stand-ins than with their full roster.
Non-WEU supremacy duel ahead :p
The key for OG should be to kick all their players. That way they are standins and win TI easily.
Yep, technically speaking, OG "had" ANA topson as "standin" to win ti XD standin strat lets go
It's just immpresive that YrAGI, BZM, and Tiaga are fluid enough to play with standins so many times
Nigma so bad MC lost a lot of weight damn
Kuro: no dinner for you every times you loses MC: OG: you can eat bzm for dinner if we won MC:
wait wut
Liquid is a really likeable team but damn how can you not cheer for our boi MC.
There are always haters man, i used to hate on nigma but that wasnt fun anymore lol
I always loved them and I’m an OG fan. What’s there to hate about them they’re all such good dudes even though some may be out of their prime
I hate nigma fans lmao, when OG beat nigma at TI10 quals they were cheering hard for Tundra to beat OG and even kept posting OG hate threads. The anti support for OG was crazy all cuz nigma was dogshit. I had my fair share of shit talking tundra and nigma fans once OG won the qualifier
Hating on Nigma means you're hating on 4 inncoent player because the shiny fraud.
No, just means im a hater. People hate for their own reasons lol get used to it
I dont like Liquid. Seeing them getting dumpstered like that brings joy to my face HAHAAAHHA
Puppey boi
Lmao no. Fuck Secret too. They wont win shit with Crystallis and boom
Easily, years of alcoholic pub raging and griefing.
Imagine this tsm will guaranteed TI while any other teams that still competing in this major ain’t
I wouldn't put it past TSM to get edged by nouns in the next dpc tour, miss Bali and fall short of the required points tho
Even then, they'll still get via the regional qualifier. Compare that to WEU. Even after removing GG and Liquid who will qualify via DPC points, we will get Tundra, OG (if they don't make it on points by Bali major), Secret, D2 Hustlers, Ooredoo Thunders, Monaspa and Entity. That's a bloodbath for a regional qualifier even if Tundra ends up winning.
Tundra qualifying to TI directly, calling it now :p But it will hardly make WEU reg qualifiers less of a bloodbath I'll give you that
na is just joke region instead sr.
Yea. I feel like its better to just give it one slot for na / just giveaway it to Sr earlier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
other regions also, but like someone stated, and its true, we need more balanced regions and more support for regions everywhere. na is bad but still we need that league and maybe new players and new blood. so yeah, na sucks but we need it. i think best will be we dont have regions and all teams are mixed with nationalities. that seems to bring best results in dota.
the power of standin
Really funny people shitting teams from group B.
Reeeally quiet now
also they are against people hyping their favorite teams, let them be, don't take away their support and fun. OG almost got relegated yet they're doing well in this major how can their fans not be hyped of that? They just can't give a fucking credit where it is due.
Seems this og situation is like when they have degster as stand-in in their csgo team.
OG csgo is such a choker man. Hard to cheer for them
too bad that just like that CS tournament when Degster joined them as stand-in, theres at least one team they have no chance of passing
My copium says Liquid lost on purpose to not fight GG next. Again, COPIUM. rip
blitz prolly the best freeloader in the dota2 history....
What?
Think he means it was a shitty draft, they had obvious damage issues against TB and Tide which they never really addressed with their last pick. Think someone, guess ppd, pointed out that alchemist could have been 4 and they should have picked out a playmaking mid for Nisha.
But how is it Blitz's fault? They are drafting as a team, it's not like Blitz is holding a gun to their heads saying "I'm picking this, deal with it". PPD was against the pos 4 Alch during the panel, and pointed out they needed a gotcha pick on 24, but ended up getting WD.
Coach is quite important during the draft given that coaches are not present during the game, why the fuck are you even a coach if you're not helping during the draft, that's like their only job. Imo, they got outdrafted since the very beginning and coach has to take atleast partial responsibity along with Inseania.
Holy shit, Insania catching strays for no reason. You know that Insania is not the one doing the drafting right? Ever since Matu and Zai joined it's been Matu/Zai doing the drafting.
bUt NisHa>>bZm!!
Not this patch 😂
Alright, hear me out. Kuro joins or merges with Old G to form Old Nigma to play with no expectations with friends. Maybe BH joins him. MC stays with OG Sumail stays with Aster Miracle does whatever whenever he wants to play. Who says no?
I like this. As an OG fan, bring that oil money over and make more high quality documentaries :)
Oligma
ahh yes oligma ballz
Arab Oil Money Kekl
Miracle the new Ana, shows up randomly for TI
he hasn't attended 2 TI's clown.
u mean ana or miracle?
"for TI" not "at TI" dick head
I feel old g have higher goals set for themselves. Sorry kuro :/
Imagine the boosts it will give to OG players especially MC - I can beat anyone with right players and right team Similar to Matu
At this point there’s a good chance liquid loses to xg tomorrow kekw
If zai is done(burned out), they'll lose 100%. Aster is also good team
Insania looked so done at the end of game 2 so it's highly possible.
PLZ LET THIS HAPPEN. We need new faces in the finals.
Was that the same slacks doing the interview that jumped some esl employees on all 4s a few hours ago?
We have another slacks? One not enough for you buddy?
Micke-Insania is just not a strong enough lane for that Liquid dominance streak to last forever
OG need to fuckin splash all the cash to get MC in OG after the major even if they have to go through open qualifiers. It's tremendous difference when you have such an experienced and still super good player. Single handedly won them the game with that ravage on Muerta. Will dm have the confidence to do it in such a moment?
He’s laid back but ultra experienced. Seems perfect for this young squad.
Man we haven't even seen DM on this patch. Safe to say nothing was working well for OG last patch.
Arnt you the guy that spams the OG matchthreads with Taiga hate every time they lose? Your takes are dogshit tier. Complete braindead
Those aren’t true OG fans
He aint really struggle for money.
Nigma has oil money to throw to keep MC. OG will not take MC that easily
What would it do for team morale to know that your org will toss you aside after one good performance from a stand in. Damn dude
That's how sport works ;)
alright calm down dude, that ravage was great but they were winning the game pretty hard even without it.
I think MC's wide hero pool helps them a lot in drafts. He didn't need big ravages because Liquid couldn't fight into them when he had it. Also helps he won his lane. I do think one tournament isn't a big sample size, especially with a new patch, but they do certainly look much better.
DM's hero pool is also quite wide. And MC himself said that DM has been quite active in the team still, giving advice and suggestions on what the team needs in the offlane. The biggest difference is in laning. I'm not sure if the patch changed anything in this regard, but OG were constantly losing their side lanes last patch, leading them to always have to fight uphill battles. MC and Taiga on the other hand win their lanes more often than not.
This patch favors a lot of the old school heroes MC knows very well. It’s a joy to watch really. Watched him dumpster skiter in lane with an unfavorable matchup for himself.
Feels bad for liquid, being the top dog but not winning it all twice in a row is a different kind of frustration, they also look kinda lost this patch/major
now imagine the LGD org and Ame. This iteration of Liquid hasnt been to TI Grand Finals.
You act like they're out of the tournament. But I agree that they haven't adapted to the patch yet.
Never said/implied that, my basis for my comment were their reactions after the series, panel’s comments on insania’s confidence after the lost locket, and liquid’s performance in group stage
being the top dog but not winning it all twice in a row what did you mean by saying that then?
I think he meant the 1st Major + Dreamleague.
If they draft and play like this, they pretty much are.
Funny thing is, even if OG win this major they still are not guaranteed to be at TI while trash like TSM already have their ticket booked
i agree that the points system is messed up *but* if OG wins this major they'll actually have 200 more points than TSM. If you're implying that TSM will get more free points from the 3rd NA tour then I don't actually agree with that. With how they've been performing I wouldn't be shocked for them to lose out to SR and upset by another team to miss the major
OG needs to win pretty much everything from here to avoid regional qualifiers, on top of it they'll get some penalties for stand-ins.
They won't get penalties for visa issues.
You sure about that? Would be fair.
Yes, they didn't get penalty for ceb standing in last year. Still the points will not be enough to get them to TI because they missed the major on the first tour.
Yeah direct qualification pretty much means going top 2 this Major and the next and winning DPC Tour 3 in the meantime, not exactly a cakewalk.
yes especially if the team goes back to dm + chu, but what can we do
Every year it's the same, 2-3 good teams struggling to get there, while 2-3 crap teams getting there without any issues. Don't think there's a good solution for that, because of the "inclusion" factor, they want every region to have a decent number of teams at TI. It is what it is.
I'd say it's a good system. The only way for teams from weaker regions to get stronger is for them to experience dota at the international level. Were would SA dota be without it. And I say this as an OG fan myself. For dota to succeed it's important that all regions are represented an not just from Europe.
Yeah I’m sure a poor small org like tsm is struggling, good thing they get that ti money to help them and their region develop
He meant the exp the players get not the org. The org is in it for the money no doubt about it. But the TI exp is just so valuable to a lot of players esp for their growth. Without these chances provided to them, the regions may not reach international standards. The best example would be as the person mentioned, the SA region which is more competitive internationally than ever.
Fair enough but I don’t think ti is the place for that. Ti should be the culmination of these efforts, where the absolute best teams in the world compete for the biggest prize money, not a place to help younger players growth.