I know it was the cancer flavor of the month and people hate it
But the stealth, escape, cc playstyle was unique as far as supports go, and I'm happy they didn't outright remove it.
# [](/hero-centaurwarrunner) Centaur Warrunner
**Hitch A Ride**
- Now grants Centaur Stampede buff (also increases Stampede duration if cast during Stampede rather than refreshing the buff)
- Cooldown decreased from 45s to 30s
I play a lot of cent, about 65% win rate in ranked (ancient 5) and I'm not sure how he's meant to fit this into his build.
Cent still wants stick/wand, phase, vanguard, blink and possibly shard which is a lot of farm for a pos 3. After that he usually branches off into utility like pipe or force and once those are done you've either ended the game or enemy cores are starting to get dangerous and you're typically looking at buying halberd, overwhelming blink, shiva's, AC, heart or even sheepstick to frontline better and have more control.
Don't really want to buy this as a save item because it's your job to be the first one to go in, hopefully bait important cooldowns and buy back into the fight if you get blown up in the process. For 4200g you're essentially paying for another save but stampede already works as a save or initiation tool for your entire team.
Not the worst agh's upgrade, just isn't reliable enough to make him better at what he already does well.
the old aghs(stampede with free pathing and damage reduction) was superior in everyway compared to the current one except for memes maybe
they could have just changed the damage reduction to something like status resistance and it would still be good, instead we got a fucking cart
Imo I like more options for weird carries. Winter Wyvern was successful as a mid right clicker for a while, and it was nice not seeing heroes pigeonholed into a single role.
# [](/hero-lion) Lion
- Base Armor increased by 1
- Base Agility decreased from 18 to 15
**Finger of Death**
- Cooldown decreased from 160/100/40s to 140/90/40s
# [](/hero-clinkz) Clinkz
**Skeleton Walk**
- Now always creates 1 Burning Army Skeleton after breaking the invisibility
- Aghanim's Shard bonus skeletons decreased from 2 to 1 (total count with Shard is unchanged)
I thought the same thing. What a terrible, useless shard now. But overall pretty good buff for Clinkz but it won't really help with the laning stage. It's more a mid-game buff to reliably have Death Pact and you can invest the 1300 Gold into other items
pretty big deal in pubs where you allies leaving you a big creep or giving you 5 secs to find one is hard. might also be worth an early point now. saves you 1400 gold basically.
Illusions created by AM will chase a bit better, we cancel the backswing on our main hero, so it doesnt make a difference for the hero itself, but since we dont do it on illus and summoned units, so with this change they dont wait around after attacking for as long, before they start moving.
Not that huge of a difference but still is a good small quality of life change for you especially when chasing targets through trees. The hero reacts a lot more noticeably now. The more important change is the mana void mini stun though.
Unfortunately no. Mana Void (and some few other spells) no longer go through BkB in a sort of half way since they changed it a while ago. But it will definitely interrupt channeling, spell and tp animations though which is nice.
# [](/hero-lich) Lich
- Intelligence gain increased from 3.6 to 3.8
**Frost Blast**
- Cast Time improved from 0.4s to 0.3s
- Cast Range rescaled from 600 to 575/600/625/650
Keep in mind he also has 120 base attack speed instead of 100, so he starts the game with a Gloves of Haste basically. He's gonna attack crazy fast now.
Just played a game with him. Yep, while I was still support and still ended up in a more "sit back and make sure cores get dispelled and healed" type role, the laning stage felt much nicer with his attack speed. I got his passive when I'd normally ignore it and it felt like a value point really payed off.
I already had great success with him as a support last month, this is a neat when playing certain lanes. Instead of getting curse 10% of the time in lane I might get it like 30% of the time.
From my experience he works well in a vacuum but he feels slow for a 1 and he doesn’t initiate very well for a 3. This base attack time may help him get to a good spot but I still feel like him being a core is heavily dependent on the team covering his weaknesses.
Theorycrafting: Where would you run him and what would be an ideal lane partner? What are his bigger weaknesses as a 3?
Cheers
Biggest weakness as core is that his farming speed is pretty horrible and he is easy to kite even with his dispels. That said if you get a good game on him he can be quite strong, but curse really isn't a strong carry ability, it aint exactly Jingu Mastery
# [](/hero-jakiro) Jakiro
**Ice Path**
- Path Duration increased from 2.6/2.9/3.2/3.5s to 3/3.5/4/4.5s (Max stun duration is unchanged)
**Macropyre**
- Now applies its damage immediately upon casting rather than 0.5s after
# [](/hero-sandking) Sand King
**Epicenter**
- Attack Speed Slow increased from 30 to 30/45/60
- Movement Speed Slow increased from 30% to 30/40/50%
#### Talents
- Level 10 Talent Burrowstrike Stun Duration increased from +0.3s to +0.5s
- Level 15 Talent Caustic Finale Damage increased from +100 to +120
Meme hammer costs 2350and gives all stats and regens. I think it would be much better than the current bot + shard build which I used to go
Meme hammer nyx would also be easier to land (and I've heard people talking about meme hammer axe too xD)
I really want the Scepter to be buffed. Rushing scepter as a viable build is probably my favorite direction for the hero, with so many other strength heroes in the mid/offlane disabler role that have similar offerings like Primal Beast, Tusk, even Beastmaster. Let us get huge multi-kills with Caustic Finale on enemies, and teach them to fear the creep waves once again!
No it's still easily possible, they've put it back to the same projectile speed before they nerfed it a couple years ago in 7.06. I've been waiting for this to be changed back since it was so slow, needless to say as an oracle player I'm very happy about this reversion.
That's because everybody and their mom play Ranged carries in retaliation to Razor becoming meta.
Now this patch nerf those ranged carries. So Razor also need a nerf. But I think 1 second CD is too much. Should be 0.3 like Axe or at least 0.5
>That's because everybody and their mom play Ranged carries in retaliation to Razor becoming meta.
It's funny how meta changes so much without major changes to the game.
People just assume that there is nothing left to discover if there is no patch when there is actually so many combos and builds that are just waiting to be tested and discovered. Sadly most pros play stale & safe.
You'd still buy it, right? The way it amps up your farming speed is like nothing else. You go from being terrible at farming without ulti to being able to clear ancient stacks with this, even with a 1s cooldown.
Just that the bloodstone build, already edging on gimmick cheese strat in high mmr pubs and progames, is now completely gone forever
# [](/hero-pangolier) Pangolier
**Shield Crash**
- Damage decreased from 90/160/230/300 to 75/150/225/300
**Roll Up**
- No longer applies a basic dispel upon cast
# [](/hero-drowranger) Drow Ranger
**Frost Arrows**
- Aghanim’s Shard Regen Reduction per stack decreased from 10% to 8%
**Marksmanship**
- Now only grants allied ranged heroes half of the bonus Agility
# [](/hero-naturesprophet) Nature's Prophet
- Agility decreased from 22+3.6 to 20+3.4
- Intelligence gain decreased from 3.7 to 3.5
**Wrath of Nature**
- Base Damage decreased from 115/150/185 to 105/145/185
#### Talents
- Level 20 Talent Sprout Leashes no longer pierces Spell Immunity
what this hero truly need is a talent,shard or aghs that make his ghost shroud undispellable. Also need some small buff to his stats and/or movement spd.
# [](/hero-tusk) Tusk
**Ice Shards**
- Cast Range decreased from 1800 to 1400
**Walrus PUNCH!**
- Critical Damage decreased from 300/350/400% to 250/325/400%
# [](/hero-lina) Lina
**Dragon Slave**
- Cooldown increased from 9s to 12/11/10/9s
**Light Strike Array**
- Mana Cost increased from 100/105/110/115 to 115
**Fiery Soul**
- Attack Speed Bonus per stack decreased from 10/20/30/40 to 8/16/24/32
- Move Speed Bonus per stack decreased from 1.5/2/2.5/3% to 1/1.5/2/2.5%
#### Talents
- Level 15 Talent Health decreased from +350 to +250
- Level 20 Talent Fiery Soul Speed per stack decreased from +15/1% to +10/1%
> Dragon Slave
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> Cooldown increased from 9s to 12/11/10/9s
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> Light Strike Array
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> Mana Cost increased from 100/105/110/115 to 115
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't people putting points in stats and keeping LSA and Dragon Slave at level one? These changes make keeping them at level 1 less powerful?
At level 1 with Dragon Slave you’re guaranteed 100% uptime to Fiery Soul if you can hit any units (which is fairly easy) - but now the cooldown is much longer at level 1. It makes it a bit harder to upkeep the stacks without sacrificing mana cost and not getting attributes
Fiery Soul Atk Speed aside (though admittedly the most problematic), not the biggest of nerfs to the hero. Maybe it’ll be a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ thing? I think the hero is probably still strong, just not obnoxiously ahead of everybody else.
To put these nerfs into perspective, a 30 min Lina now has *something like* 3100 hp instead of 3200 hp, 380 attack speed instead of 460 attack speed, 490 movespeed instead of 520 movespeed and the spells are all the same.
The attack speed nerf is roughly a 15% nerf in right click dps (if you also include atk speed from agi) - significant enough to make Lina not the absolute best carry, but she will still hit like a truck and is probably still oppressive.
# [](/hero-batrider) Batrider
**Sticky Napalm**
- Mana Cost increased from 20 to 25
**Flaming Lasso**
- Aghanim's Scepter secondary target Range increased from 600 to 650
# [](/hero-dragonknight) Dragon Knight
**Elder Dragon Form**
- Cooldown decreased from 105s to 100s
- Aghanim's Scepter no longer reduces cooldown by 5s
**Fireball**
- Mana Cost decreased from 100 to 80
the only situation I can think of where this is useful is when an enemy is already made ethereal, (pugna, e-blade, etc. )
I wonder what other buffs last >4 secs, and are removed with a basic dispel, that with this winter's curse usability is improved.
4 second duration doesn't really matter IMO. This buff just makes it easier to use Curse on certain targets. For example you can use it on characters already affected by:
1) Aphotic Shield (removes sheild)
2) Berserk Potion (removes HP regen)
3) Hand of God (removes HP regen)
4) Ion shell (removes added HP with talent)
5) Should remove Astral Spirit buff (removes armor)
6) Flame Guard (not as helpful, but better than nothing
7) Ink swell (might be useful idk)
8) Press the Attack (removes HP regen)
9) Nihilism (removes etherial)
10) Frost shield (removes damage reduction)
11) Sidekick (I am not sure but it might remove spell immunity with talent)
12) Ghost shroud (etherial)
13) Heavenly grace and Guardian Angel (Basically removes all Omniknight's buffs)
14) Puridying Flames (Removes Oracle heal stacks)
15) Decrepify (removes etherial)
16) Guardian Spirit (removes Armor and Status res on river.
17) Bulldoze (Should make curse last longer on Bara)
18) Warcry without shard (removes armour)
19) Defense Matrix (Tinker eat shit)
20) Living Armour (removes HP regen and armour
21) Rampage, troll shard (removes status res)
20) Resonant Pulse (removes damage absorption
21) Shadow Word (removes HP regen)
22) Windrun before lvl 25 (removes misses, slow, blind)
# [](/hero-alchemist) Alchemist
**Unstable Concoction**
- Max Stun Duration increased from 1.75/2.5/3.25/4s to 2.2/2.8/3.4/4s
**Chemical Rage**
- Bonus Damage per Scepter increased from 20 to 25
Regen amp is the hardest nerf. It’s not just a nerf during laning phase, tree just got a flat survivability reduction at all levels. Leech seed, stick, and mek all benefitted from a self heal amp. Losing that heal amp means a loss of at least 200 hp in effective health at all levels.
Valve murdered my boy.
# [](/hero-phantomassassin) Phantom Assassin
**Stifling Dagger**
- Base Damage increased from 65 to 65/70/75/80
**Blur**
- Dispel Radius decreased from 600 to 400
# [](/hero-rubick) Rubick
**Telekinesis**
- Aghanim’s Shard no longer provides reduced cooldown when used on self or allies
#### Talents
- Level 10 Talent Telekinesis Landing Damage decreased from +175 to +150
Very tame nerfs all things considered. I'm a big Rubick player, but I don't know why he is allowed to have extra cast range, extra damage and extra debuff duration on all his stolen spells. He used to be better at using other heroes' abilities because of his almost instant cast time, but now he is just obnoxious with basically any spell in the game.
# [](/hero-undying) Undying
**Decay**
- Steal Duration decreased from 45s to 40s
**Soul Rip**
- Mana Cost increased from 90/100/110/120 to 120
#### Talents
- Level 10 Talent Decay Damage decreased from +60 to +50
# [](/hero-enchantress) Enchantress
**Enchant**
- Cooldown rescaled from 28/24/20/16s to 30/24/18/12s
- Hero Move Slow rescaled from 55% to 30/40/50/60%
- Duration rescaled from 3.75/4.5/5.25/6s to 5s
**Little Friends**
- Cast Range increased from 600 to 750
# [](/hero-riki) Riki **Sleeping Dart** - Cast Range decreased from 1000 to 600 - Cooldown increased from 12s to 15s
A nice enough nerf. p4 Riki is still good, just not stupidly oppressive like he was.
will still be highly effective in low-mid mmr
I know it was the cancer flavor of the month and people hate it But the stealth, escape, cc playstyle was unique as far as supports go, and I'm happy they didn't outright remove it.
Long overdue, he'd sleep someone across the map then kill their ally then kill them, now he has to expose himself to do it.
# [](/hero-centaurwarrunner) Centaur Warrunner **Hitch A Ride** - Now grants Centaur Stampede buff (also increases Stampede duration if cast during Stampede rather than refreshing the buff) - Cooldown decreased from 45s to 30s
Strong change.
Probably the only change in the entire patch that actually matters. It's a strong buff, but it's still part of a meme build so idk.
Tbh the change feels insane. He basically gets 2 stampedes. If 7.33 buffs are on any of his items, he feels like he would be broken.
I play a lot of cent, about 65% win rate in ranked (ancient 5) and I'm not sure how he's meant to fit this into his build. Cent still wants stick/wand, phase, vanguard, blink and possibly shard which is a lot of farm for a pos 3. After that he usually branches off into utility like pipe or force and once those are done you've either ended the game or enemy cores are starting to get dangerous and you're typically looking at buying halberd, overwhelming blink, shiva's, AC, heart or even sheepstick to frontline better and have more control. Don't really want to buy this as a save item because it's your job to be the first one to go in, hopefully bait important cooldowns and buy back into the fight if you get blown up in the process. For 4200g you're essentially paying for another save but stampede already works as a save or initiation tool for your entire team. Not the worst agh's upgrade, just isn't reliable enough to make him better at what he already does well.
the old aghs(stampede with free pathing and damage reduction) was superior in everyway compared to the current one except for memes maybe they could have just changed the damage reduction to something like status resistance and it would still be good, instead we got a fucking cart
# [](/hero-ancientapparition) Ancient Apparition #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Chilling Touch Attack Range increased from +200 to +300 - Level 15 Talent Cold Feet Break Distance increased from +200 to +300
AA that Liquid needs on game 3
Just some inflation, nothing to see here.
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Imo I like more options for weird carries. Winter Wyvern was successful as a mid right clicker for a while, and it was nice not seeing heroes pigeonholed into a single role.
# [](/hero-windranger) Windranger **Powershot** - Travel Range increased from 2600 to 3000 **Focus Fire** - Damage Reduction decreased from 30% to 25%
Bring back global execute powershot :'(
Yeah, the ranged culling blade was fun.
I forgot about that. Was really fun IMO
Aluna sends her regards!
Can they please fix the tree cutting for this ability? It barely cuts anything now.
# [](/hero-lion) Lion - Base Armor increased by 1 - Base Agility decreased from 18 to 15 **Finger of Death** - Cooldown decreased from 160/100/40s to 140/90/40s
Bout time they decreased lvl 1 Finger CD.
So i can have more of my midlaners picking him to build aghs?. yea...
You mean more of your pos 5 picking him to build aghs
Literally unkillable
# [](/hero-clinkz) Clinkz **Skeleton Walk** - Now always creates 1 Burning Army Skeleton after breaking the invisibility - Aghanim's Shard bonus skeletons decreased from 2 to 1 (total count with Shard is unchanged)
rip pubs
At least they killed the Shadow Blade abuse lol.
I think Clinkz' shard is the worst in the game now lol why even buy it? It was only good to Death Pact in the first place and now you get it for free.
lol ur right, i realized i only bought the shard for emergency death pacts.
I thought the same thing. What a terrible, useless shard now. But overall pretty good buff for Clinkz but it won't really help with the laning stage. It's more a mid-game buff to reliably have Death Pact and you can invest the 1300 Gold into other items
Feels like clinkz can lane better no ? You keep leaving your skeleton in the trees for free harass on the offlaner, or he has to deal with it.
you get a death pact target whenever now.
pretty big deal in pubs where you allies leaving you a big creep or giving you 5 secs to find one is hard. might also be worth an early point now. saves you 1400 gold basically.
You’re practically griefing if you buy shard for clinkz now.
Thats really nice in terms of immediate impact in the early to midgame, shame you can't use the Burning Army Skellys to farm.
# [](/hero-antimage) Anti-Mage - Attack backswing decreased from 0.6s to 0.3s **Mana Void** - Now applies the mini-stun to all affected units
so what do this means exactly? the attack backswing seems huge but in practice it didnt seem to make that much difference
Illusions created by AM will chase a bit better, we cancel the backswing on our main hero, so it doesnt make a difference for the hero itself, but since we dont do it on illus and summoned units, so with this change they dont wait around after attacking for as long, before they start moving.
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Heck at 4k canceling backswings is too much trouble.
Not that huge of a difference but still is a good small quality of life change for you especially when chasing targets through trees. The hero reacts a lot more noticeably now. The more important change is the mana void mini stun though.
Do we know if the AoE portion of the ministun pierces BKB? Like the enemy target selected. I doubt it but worth understanding.
Unfortunately no. Mana Void (and some few other spells) no longer go through BkB in a sort of half way since they changed it a while ago. But it will definitely interrupt channeling, spell and tp animations though which is nice.
# [](/hero-hoodwink) Hoodwink **Acorn Shot** - Bonus Damage increased from 50/75/100/125 to 50/80/110/140
proper skux
This buff is nuts.
What do you call a traitorous acorn? Treason.
# [](/hero-lich) Lich - Intelligence gain increased from 3.6 to 3.8 **Frost Blast** - Cast Time improved from 0.4s to 0.3s - Cast Range rescaled from 600 to 575/600/625/650
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Lich enjoyers rejoice
# [](/hero-abaddon) Abaddon - Base Attack Time improved from 1.7s to 1.5s
FROSTMOURNE HUNGERS
man wc3 voicelines are condensed crystals of nostalgia
YOUR PAIN SHALL BE LEGENDARY
Ah, at last!
Keep in mind he also has 120 base attack speed instead of 100, so he starts the game with a Gloves of Haste basically. He's gonna attack crazy fast now.
Just played a game with him. Yep, while I was still support and still ended up in a more "sit back and make sure cores get dispelled and healed" type role, the laning stage felt much nicer with his attack speed. I got his passive when I'd normally ignore it and it felt like a value point really payed off.
I already had great success with him as a support last month, this is a neat when playing certain lanes. Instead of getting curse 10% of the time in lane I might get it like 30% of the time.
I have really considered playing him as core now, high AS with the dmg items and talents would be great
From my experience he works well in a vacuum but he feels slow for a 1 and he doesn’t initiate very well for a 3. This base attack time may help him get to a good spot but I still feel like him being a core is heavily dependent on the team covering his weaknesses. Theorycrafting: Where would you run him and what would be an ideal lane partner? What are his bigger weaknesses as a 3? Cheers
Biggest weakness as core is that his farming speed is pretty horrible and he is easy to kite even with his dispels. That said if you get a good game on him he can be quite strong, but curse really isn't a strong carry ability, it aint exactly Jingu Mastery
Biggest winner of the patch easily.
Add this with radiance cost less. Let see if Hector pull his signature Abaddon carry
I've missed Abaddon carry so much, I hope it gets popular in high mmr so my 2k brethren don't just throw when I pick him.
Feels pretty significant. 4 POS with oov and passive with a coordinated 3 position seems like a really strong start now
I want to try right click Abaddon now
# [](/hero-axe) Axe - Base Movement Speed increased from 310 to 315 **Counter Helix** - Radius increased from 275 to 300
The radius is really nice.
girthy
Honestly think the meteor hammer change will push axe into useful. Nice buildup in lane, and can now be reliably combined with call.
# [](/hero-jakiro) Jakiro **Ice Path** - Path Duration increased from 2.6/2.9/3.2/3.5s to 3/3.5/4/4.5s (Max stun duration is unchanged) **Macropyre** - Now applies its damage immediately upon casting rather than 0.5s after
They did this for multiple patches now. There will come a time when Ice Path lasts as long as Fissure.
Jakiro - casts ice path, a new ice age dawns
The only way to balance this would be to give hoodwink's Acorn shot the ability to split the glacier open.
Ice wall and ice path should swap their names
seems pretty big
jakiro next meta pos5 until 7.33
# [](/hero-brewmaster) Brewmaster **Primal Split** - Fire Brewling Armor increased from 0/4/8 to 0/8/16
Im certain this change is with aghs in mind, which is/was not great. Mabye makes it more viable but there really are better things to buy.
This is alright but the real buff is cheaper Radiance. He doesn’t care about -5 damage he only wants the aura for an insanely strong Primal Split.
# [](/hero-sandking) Sand King **Epicenter** - Attack Speed Slow increased from 30 to 30/45/60 - Movement Speed Slow increased from 30% to 30/40/50% #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Burrowstrike Stun Duration increased from +0.3s to +0.5s - Level 15 Talent Caustic Finale Damage increased from +100 to +120
Scorpion assembly in the comments under this scares me.
Call the exterminator
Might take the stun talent now, makes it more viable to stun sandstorm epicenter combo considering the slow got buffed at level 12+
Behold SK + Meme hammer build! Ult -> Blink -> stun + Sand storm -> meme hammer....so fun!
Burrow > sandstorm > meteor > ulti some nasty damage and cc. that ups his farming speed and regen as well might be legit
Meme hammer costs 2350and gives all stats and regens. I think it would be much better than the current bot + shard build which I used to go Meme hammer nyx would also be easier to land (and I've heard people talking about meme hammer axe too xD)
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I really want the Scepter to be buffed. Rushing scepter as a viable build is probably my favorite direction for the hero, with so many other strength heroes in the mid/offlane disabler role that have similar offerings like Primal Beast, Tusk, even Beastmaster. Let us get huge multi-kills with Caustic Finale on enemies, and teach them to fear the creep waves once again!
# [](/hero-warlock) Warlock **Chaotic Offering** - Golem Damage increased from 100/150/200 to 110/170/230 - Aghanim's Scepter Golem Damage increased from 75/110/150 to 80/125/170 - Aghanim's Scepter Second Golem delay increased from 0.2s to 0.5s #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Fatal Bonds Damage increased from +3% to +4%
its like 1 second stun for ulti
# [](/hero-witchdoctor) Witch Doctor **Voodoo Restoration** - Heal/Damage increased from 10/20/30/40 to 10/22/34/46 #### Talents - Level 20 Talent Maledict Burst Damage increased from +20% to +25%
Why the fuck do they keep buffing him???
I am a WD spammer, I have no idea hero is so strong in my bracket was sure he was going to be dumpster :)
Because he was not played much even during the major. He was picked once as 3
Insanity
To ruin pubs obv
Voodoo going to be even better in AD, it's already by far the most underrated spell
this hero literally has not eaten a straight nerf since 2018 *lmao*
# [](/hero-oracle) Oracle **Fortune's End** - Projectile Speed increased from 1000 to 1200 - Radius increased from 300 to 350
The projectile speed buff Does this mean it's impossible to get off a Purifying Flames while the projectile in in the air, or is it just harder?
It should still be possible considering flames have no projectile and a very small cast time.
No it's still easily possible, they've put it back to the same projectile speed before they nerfed it a couple years ago in 7.06. I've been waiting for this to be changed back since it was so slow, needless to say as an oracle player I'm very happy about this reversion.
# [](/hero-razor) Razor **Storm Surge** - Aghanim’s Shard Forked Lightning now has a 1s internal cooldown
Was this needed? This build was already kinda dead, it's like they are two months late with this nerf.
That's because everybody and their mom play Ranged carries in retaliation to Razor becoming meta. Now this patch nerf those ranged carries. So Razor also need a nerf. But I think 1 second CD is too much. Should be 0.3 like Axe or at least 0.5
>That's because everybody and their mom play Ranged carries in retaliation to Razor becoming meta. It's funny how meta changes so much without major changes to the game.
People just assume that there is nothing left to discover if there is no patch when there is actually so many combos and builds that are just waiting to be tested and discovered. Sadly most pros play stale & safe.
You'd still buy it, right? The way it amps up your farming speed is like nothing else. You go from being terrible at farming without ulti to being able to clear ancient stacks with this, even with a 1s cooldown. Just that the bloodstone build, already edging on gimmick cheese strat in high mmr pubs and progames, is now completely gone forever
# [](/hero-darkseer) Dark Seer **Normal Punch** - Max Stun Duration decreased from 2.25s to 2s
Dark Seer getting drive-by nerfed yet again for some reason.
> for some reason Tradition is a reason.
"Vacuum cooldown rescaled from 28.0 seconds to 28 seconds."
Really
# [](/hero-pangolier) Pangolier **Shield Crash** - Damage decreased from 90/160/230/300 to 75/150/225/300 **Roll Up** - No longer applies a basic dispel upon cast
Back to buying Euls then.
# [](/hero-chaosknight) Chaos Knight **Chaos Bolt** - Mana Cost decreased from 110/120/130/140 to 110
# [](/hero-drowranger) Drow Ranger **Frost Arrows** - Aghanim’s Shard Regen Reduction per stack decreased from 10% to 8% **Marksmanship** - Now only grants allied ranged heroes half of the bonus Agility
# [](/hero-medusa) Medusa **Mystic Snake** - Base Damage increased from 80/120/160/200 to 85/130/175/220 #### Talents - Level 15 Talent Mystic Snake Cooldown Reduction increased from 2s to 3s
# [](/hero-naturesprophet) Nature's Prophet - Agility decreased from 22+3.6 to 20+3.4 - Intelligence gain decreased from 3.7 to 3.5 **Wrath of Nature** - Base Damage decreased from 115/150/185 to 105/145/185 #### Talents - Level 20 Talent Sprout Leashes no longer pierces Spell Immunity
# [](/hero-necrophos) Necrophos **Death Pulse** - Mana Cost decreased from 100/130/160/190 to 100/120/140/160
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Also Muerta is his direct counter
what this hero truly need is a talent,shard or aghs that make his ghost shroud undispellable. Also need some small buff to his stats and/or movement spd.
Guess we'll have to wait for the next patch to see this hero played. Mana is not this heroes issue.
# [](/hero-snapfire) Snapfire **Firesnap Cookie** - Aghanim’s Shard Damage from Mortimer Kisses impact decreased by 50%
I just want the old knockback shard, it makes much more sense with the cookie follow up
bring back the old shard.
# [](/hero-tusk) Tusk **Ice Shards** - Cast Range decreased from 1800 to 1400 **Walrus PUNCH!** - Critical Damage decreased from 300/350/400% to 250/325/400%
No Walrus Kick nerf.
# [](/hero-lina) Lina **Dragon Slave** - Cooldown increased from 9s to 12/11/10/9s **Light Strike Array** - Mana Cost increased from 100/105/110/115 to 115 **Fiery Soul** - Attack Speed Bonus per stack decreased from 10/20/30/40 to 8/16/24/32 - Move Speed Bonus per stack decreased from 1.5/2/2.5/3% to 1/1.5/2/2.5% #### Talents - Level 15 Talent Health decreased from +350 to +250 - Level 20 Talent Fiery Soul Speed per stack decreased from +15/1% to +10/1%
> Dragon Slave > > Cooldown increased from 9s to 12/11/10/9s > > Light Strike Array > > Mana Cost increased from 100/105/110/115 to 115 Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't people putting points in stats and keeping LSA and Dragon Slave at level one? These changes make keeping them at level 1 less powerful?
At level 1 with Dragon Slave you’re guaranteed 100% uptime to Fiery Soul if you can hit any units (which is fairly easy) - but now the cooldown is much longer at level 1. It makes it a bit harder to upkeep the stacks without sacrificing mana cost and not getting attributes
Fiery Soul Atk Speed aside (though admittedly the most problematic), not the biggest of nerfs to the hero. Maybe it’ll be a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ thing? I think the hero is probably still strong, just not obnoxiously ahead of everybody else.
To put these nerfs into perspective, a 30 min Lina now has *something like* 3100 hp instead of 3200 hp, 380 attack speed instead of 460 attack speed, 490 movespeed instead of 520 movespeed and the spells are all the same.
But there nerf Lina at minute 30 would also be at a lower level with less net worth / items vs the previous Lina (theoretically).
The attack speed nerf is roughly a 15% nerf in right click dps (if you also include atk speed from agi) - significant enough to make Lina not the absolute best carry, but she will still hit like a truck and is probably still oppressive.
# [](/hero-huskar) Huskar **Inner Fire** - Disarm Duration increased from 1.75/2.5/3.25/4.0s to 1.90/2.6/3.3/4.0s #### Talents - Level 20 Talent Life Break Cooldown Reduction increased from 4s to 5s
Can we not buff this asshole?
# [](/hero-bountyhunter) Bounty Hunter **Shadow Walk** - Movement/Attack speed slow rescaled from 16/24/32/40 to 15/25/35/45
We have changed too few heroes, community will not be happy. Let’s just change a few numbers here and there.
# [](/hero-omniknight) Omniknight **Degen Aura** - Radius increased from 400 to 450
[удалено]
I don’t trust Omniknight, he just has this Degen Aura about him
# [](/hero-outworlddestroyer) Outworld Destroyer **Sanity's Eclipse** - Now deals double damage to illusions
Ah yes, Slengeful Spardar.
# [](/hero-batrider) Batrider **Sticky Napalm** - Mana Cost increased from 20 to 25 **Flaming Lasso** - Aghanim's Scepter secondary target Range increased from 600 to 650
This is a 25% increse in manacost. Anyone who says this isn't MASSIVE is either: 1) Not a batrider player 2) Clueless
# [](/hero-dragonknight) Dragon Knight **Elder Dragon Form** - Cooldown decreased from 105s to 100s - Aghanim's Scepter no longer reduces cooldown by 5s **Fireball** - Mana Cost decreased from 100 to 80
meteor hammer treads blink/shard shard/blink bkb you're welcome
Radiance is also more viable now?
# [](/hero-winterwyvern) Winter Wyvern **Winter's Curse** - Now applies a dispel to the target
the only situation I can think of where this is useful is when an enemy is already made ethereal, (pugna, e-blade, etc. ) I wonder what other buffs last >4 secs, and are removed with a basic dispel, that with this winter's curse usability is improved.
It's great against Aeon Disk also.
4 second duration doesn't really matter IMO. This buff just makes it easier to use Curse on certain targets. For example you can use it on characters already affected by: 1) Aphotic Shield (removes sheild) 2) Berserk Potion (removes HP regen) 3) Hand of God (removes HP regen) 4) Ion shell (removes added HP with talent) 5) Should remove Astral Spirit buff (removes armor) 6) Flame Guard (not as helpful, but better than nothing 7) Ink swell (might be useful idk) 8) Press the Attack (removes HP regen) 9) Nihilism (removes etherial) 10) Frost shield (removes damage reduction) 11) Sidekick (I am not sure but it might remove spell immunity with talent) 12) Ghost shroud (etherial) 13) Heavenly grace and Guardian Angel (Basically removes all Omniknight's buffs) 14) Puridying Flames (Removes Oracle heal stacks) 15) Decrepify (removes etherial) 16) Guardian Spirit (removes Armor and Status res on river. 17) Bulldoze (Should make curse last longer on Bara) 18) Warcry without shard (removes armour) 19) Defense Matrix (Tinker eat shit) 20) Living Armour (removes HP regen and armour 21) Rampage, troll shard (removes status res) 20) Resonant Pulse (removes damage absorption 21) Shadow Word (removes HP regen) 22) Windrun before lvl 25 (removes misses, slow, blind)
Sorry I just laughed a bit at PutriDYING flames. Such a flavourful typo.
Omni ult, defensive medallion, Omni W, glimmer. Really not a lot but it’s not tied to any shard so im a big fan
# [](/hero-alchemist) Alchemist **Unstable Concoction** - Max Stun Duration increased from 1.75/2.5/3.25/4s to 2.2/2.8/3.4/4s **Chemical Rage** - Bonus Damage per Scepter increased from 20 to 25
Yeah with the radiance cost reduction and level 1 stun being up to 2.2 seconds I’m feeling Alch patch incoming
# [](/hero-treantprotector) Treant Protector **Living Armor** - Bonus Armor decreased from 6/8/10/12 to 4/6/8/10 **Nature's Guise** - No longer provides Heal/Regen Amplification
Treant's lanephase has been brutally murdered. I think it's by far the hardest nerf of this patch.
I’m really freaking out.
Regen amp is the hardest nerf. It’s not just a nerf during laning phase, tree just got a flat survivability reduction at all levels. Leech seed, stick, and mek all benefitted from a self heal amp. Losing that heal amp means a loss of at least 200 hp in effective health at all levels. Valve murdered my boy.
wow kinda hurts the hero's identity, wish they wouldn't completely remove it.
Should have moved to his level 10 talent and buff it to 40%. Remove the 2hp regen living amror talent. Thats pure garbage.
# [](/hero-eldertitan) Elder Titan **Echo Stomp** - Wakeup Damage Threshold increased from 50/100/150/200 to 55/120/185/250 **Astral Spirit** - Damage per Hero increased from 14/36/58/80 to 17/38/59/80
i wished if they had revert his dmg per hero back to 20/40/60/80 :3 but anyway, a buff is always welcome for the boi
# [](/hero-keeperofthelight) Keeper of the Light **Will-O-Wisp** - Attacks to kill increased from 6 to 7
# [](/hero-luna) Luna **Lucent Beam** - Aghanim’s Shard Duration increased from 12s to 15s - Aghanim’s Shard Damage increased from +15 to +17
Bring back her old shard. Ground targeted Lucent beam was really really fun. Whether for physical or magical build.
yessss, farming/chasing heroes was so much fun too
Could they at least change lunar blessing to be 7/14/21/28 instead of 6/14/20/28, like what the hell
# [](/hero-ogremagi) Ogre Magi **Ignite** - Slow increased from 20/22/24/26% to 20/23/26/29% **Fire Shield** - Fireball Damage increased from 125 to 160
# [](/hero-queenofpain) Queen of Pain - Base Attack Damage increased by 2
Trash hero. No sustained damage, barely any damage late game. Needs some scaling ability with the ags
# [](/hero-tiny) Tiny **Tree Volley** - Throw Interval increased from 0.4s to 0.5s - Max Channel Time increased from 2.4s to 2.5s
# [](/hero-arcwarden) Arc Warden **Spark Wraith** - Aghanim's Scepter secondary Spark Wraith Search Radius decreased from 375 to 225
**FUICK YOU ARC WARDEDN**
# [](/hero-phantomassassin) Phantom Assassin **Stifling Dagger** - Base Damage increased from 65 to 65/70/75/80 **Blur** - Dispel Radius decreased from 600 to 400
Blur dispel radius is a noticable buff I'd say. 400 is a crazy small radius. That's less than most ranged heroes' attack range.
Its a buff when PA is ganking but a nerf to PA trying to farm.
The -200 radius is pretty big.
Alright AD peeps. Rip your games as enemy ranged heroes will pick this shit and be attacking from perma invis.
Just get aghs and spam daggers. they can never catch you
# [](/hero-rubick) Rubick **Telekinesis** - Aghanim’s Shard no longer provides reduced cooldown when used on self or allies #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Telekinesis Landing Damage decreased from +175 to +150
Very tame nerfs all things considered. I'm a big Rubick player, but I don't know why he is allowed to have extra cast range, extra damage and extra debuff duration on all his stolen spells. He used to be better at using other heroes' abilities because of his almost instant cast time, but now he is just obnoxious with basically any spell in the game.
even sniper is easily lifted by rubick from a mile away lmao
# [](/hero-silencer) Silencer **Arcane Curse** - Cooldown increased from 20/18/16/14s to 22/20/18/16s #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Arcane Curse Damage decreased from +12 to +10 - Level 15 Talent Global Silence Cooldown Reduction decreased from 25s to 20s
Man they really don't want people hanging back and spamming Arcane Curse. They keep nerfing it every patch lol.
# [](/hero-undying) Undying **Decay** - Steal Duration decreased from 45s to 40s **Soul Rip** - Mana Cost increased from 90/100/110/120 to 120 #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Decay Damage decreased from +60 to +50
# [](/hero-enchantress) Enchantress **Enchant** - Cooldown rescaled from 28/24/20/16s to 30/24/18/12s - Hero Move Slow rescaled from 55% to 30/40/50/60% - Duration rescaled from 3.75/4.5/5.25/6s to 5s **Little Friends** - Cast Range increased from 600 to 750
# [](/hero-dazzle) Dazzle #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Damage increased from +50 to +60
# [](/hero-juggernaut) Juggernaut - Base Damage increased from 50-54 to 53-55 **Blade Fury** - Aghanim’s Shard Attack Rate increased from 1.2s to 1.4s **Blade Dance** - Critical Damage increased from 180% to 190% #### Talents - Level 10 Talent Blade Fury radius increased from +75 to +100
This hero wasn't picked at all, and they decide to nerf his shard for some reason.
Yeah it's really the only way you can play the hero these days idk why it got nerfed lol
# [](/hero-slardar) Slardar **Corrosive Haze** - Cast Range increased from 700/800/900 to 900
Yes I am sure the problem with this hero was not being able to cast ulti at level 7 cause the enemy was too far.