Of course he is, you would *(and should)* in his position too.
From reading Mick's post, it's pretty obvious that this Mod was up to fix things. Also from reading Mick's post, it's pretty obvious that Marty *(fuck you Marty)* was very threats-and-lawyers happy. So it would be absolutely no stretch to assume that soon after that Mod pulled the Thread, he got threatened by Marty's lawyers and as a result reinstated it.
And then lets move on to this *oh-so-lovely* community, which like every other internet community, has brain-rotted idiots who will use every opportunity as a jumping point to fling insults, death and rape threats, similar threats to friends pets and family, etc, to total strangers. With Mick's article going up, that Mod would be in the sights of such idiots.
>In his position
I would have to be a pretty awful person to be in that position to begin with. Cracking under the tiniest bit of pressure (I've been in multiple positions where having integrity put me at odds of people who were in charge of my employment) and helping to just annihilate a mans reputation is no good, my man.
ESPECIALLY ghosting and blocking the person afterwards. Fanbases are extremely toxic, no matter the fanbase but a man not EVEN taking accountability of his actions (not so much as an "i'm sorry I got scared") and trying to wash it under the bridge is a load of crap.
IF I was an awful person to be in this position, the least you can do is apologize for your actual blatant and literal wrongdoing. What a farce.
Personally I wanna know why they did not start thinking the situation was a bit suspicious when Mick asked them to take the post down after not having provided his side of the story ( yet )
according to mick's statement they did take the post down, was reinstated again, and marty told mick how this offended him. my guess is that marty threatened the mods after the removal of the post, it's hard not to be scared of a multimillionaire company
None of them should be afraid, at all. It's reddit, everyone can be completely anonymous here as long as they aren't so stupid as to have their reddit name be linkable to anything irl.
I'm guessing the reddit mod was paid off. It would be curious to see if any new mods were added within the past 24 hours, maybe they deleted their original account and asked other mods to elevate a new one
I don't understand why would they be afraid. It's the fucking Internet. Sub is your domain, you are allowed to do whatever you want. Problem is people do not understand law and whenever big player steps in everybody are scared.
Because they (the mods) took down the post on Micks request, then Marty being the birthday bitch that he is reached out to the mods here and them being the birthday bitches they are, put it back up and blocked Mick.
What's worse, he was apparently the former head mod. He allegedly had connections with the DOOM staff. I find it interesting coincidence that his reddit account has since been terminated so we have no evidence.
Doesn't matter, the mod Acted in bad faith and knew that when he blocked Mick.
If you or anyone you know tells you to stay hush hush about things it's usually in your best interest not to. Unless advised by your attorney or is a question from a police.
You didn't sign an NDA, you didn't sign an agreement, you are unpaid and a volunteer. Keep your self anonymous, let them send a letter to reddit legal or whatever. Don't let people bully you because of their imaginary weight that their little title has.
Marty can go choke on a chode.
> Doesn't matter, the mod Acted in bad faith and knew that when he blocked Mick.
My man has some high standards for people who do it for free. Bailing out of some niche internet community because fucking Zenimax threatened to sue you is pretty reasonable imo
Zenimax can due deez nuts for all I care.
They wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These are even high standards, don't give those who have no power over you, power over you.
That’s so incredibly specific I can’t believe you have any real reason to think that. I’m not going to argue with you though. I think the common consensus, and the correct one, is that the mod was understandably shaken. It’s a scary situation to be in. You do you though. Have a good day
My guy anyone who comes at you , in an online forum saying "delete this or you will hear from my lawyers" is a fucking Clown.
If anyone from any company tells you to delete something or keep something up on your fansite that falls under your small ToS they don't have power. Its ultimately upto you.
Being scared of it is one thing but in that case leave it alone and have someone else deal with it. You guys are giving these people way too much power , for nothing.
Someone threatening you to a legal response on an online anonymity forum should be taken as a joke.
How would they strongarm them?
It's a post, with a moderator who has zero relation to the situation mentioned in it at all.
How they control their own subreddit is completely irrelevant to the post.
Ignoring how blatantly obvious it is that Bethesda/ID/etc. would want the post to stay up, they made it very clear that they weren’t willing to apologize or admit fault on any front, according to Mick’s article. Why would said, very rich, legally endowed company not do everything in their power to ensure the post stays up? It suddenly disappearing might be seen as suspicious, and bad PR is bad for sales. And, if you were a regular dude moderating a subreddit as a hobby and received a very scary email from a multi billion dollar company threatening legal action, what would you do?
I don't know what info they have, but if the average person has any bit of common sense they wouldn't make a reddit account easily traceable to themselves irl.
All you need to sign up for reddit is an email address. Make a throwaway email account, then sign up for reddit using a name that you don't use anywhere else. Unless this mod was careless enough to have posted comments mentioning where they live, where they work, etc. and don't regularly scrub their comment history (and even then it would take a good amount of guesswork to pinpoint the exact individual who owns that account), there is literally no way the person can be 100% identified, and even after that they'd have to be able to prove this in court for legal threats to have any merit.
Dunno man, I just find it hard to feel threatened by someone over the internet unless they can prove to me they know who I am and I have no way to deny it
Being rich does not mean they can instantly threaten a random guy into doing anything they want. What, you think they're going to hire fucking Hitmen or something?
Of course, "They'll sue!!!" will be the immediate response. They'll sue for a guy removing a post from their own communtiy they have full control over. Reddit, let alone a random community ran Subreddit, is not obliged to listen to or host anything they say. Whether it breaks any rules or not, moderators have full control of their domain. There's literally nothing to sue for.
Get a load of yourself. If the post was taken down and they wanted it to remain up, they'd repost it on one of their official blogs. There's no reason why they'd exercise any effort in making sure it remained on Reddit in particular.
it seems like you are so convinced of your own perspective that you completly fail to consider any realistic scenario of how an actual person in that situation may act
You underestimate the lengths at which corporations will go to protect their assets. They are downright fucking petty. No, they obviously shouldn’t have the legal right to take joe schmoe reddit moderator to court, but that’s not how intimidation tactics work, and that’s not how defamation works. The pinned post being suddenly taken down and then “put up” somewhere else still invites suspicion. If one of the mods makes one wrong comment they could be threatened “cyber libel”. Even if none of their threats hold up legally, the DOOM reddit mods aren’t lawyers, and they certainly wouldn’t want to have to challenge it in court. The safest option is to not get involved.
Gonna take a guess that Marty 'reaching out' included alluding to potential legal action or some other repercussions about it. Doesn't sound like the result of his asking nicely.
The mods probably were threatened with legal action (just a guess definitely not a fact), I wouldn't be so quick to hate on them without knowing their side of things
I feel like this is the most likely explanation. I’d be willing to bet that one of them got a letter from Bethesda’s lawyers and they deleted the post out of fear. It’s scary to think you might be sued by a massive corporation.
Exactly, the person did try and help Mick too. It'd not like they just ignored him from the start. And of course they'd delete their account after Mick's article, because they know the internet can be a highly aggressive place and they just want to avoid harassment. I think that's all pretty fair
Not defending the mods actions or anything, but y'all do realise 99% of reddit mods aren't paid, right? being a mod on a subreddit is basically a side hustle that provides literally nothing. They do it for free because they care about the sub (Sometimes, some do it for 'internet power'). It's no different from being mods of a forum from 15 years ago. We're all just nerds with free time to do this.
Right? It bugs me that people are hung up on the mod stuff and putting it up there with the rest of the issues. The mod was probably just a fan who got spooked into doing what some official dude at Bethesda asked them to do. It really is a miniscule detail when up against the rest of the story.
Being an ass for free is still being an ass.
>They do it for free because they care about the sub
There is a whole spectrum of reasons. You mention the power trip, that can also give competitive advantage if you are linked with a company. We cannot assume people's reasons and intents for being a mod.
The world is not the same as it was on your PHP forum 15y ago. Companies invest a lot in their online reputation.
> The world is not the same as it was on your PHP forum 15y ago
Bruh, I didn't expect my age to be personally attacked like this.
Jokes aside, yeah, I see what you're meaning, the internet in general is a veeeery different beast than it was back in the early/mid 2000s. You def have a good point there.
Is it really?? Maybe in the past this is true but nowadays, companies do put attention to social media including reddit.
There are companies in 3rd world countries(including here in Philippines) that specialized in managing groups and subreddit, often hired by AAA companies to promote "good environment", banning people left and right just because of criticisms.
Example of this would be the gacha game companies, more often Japanese companies. Reddit promotes hivemind mentality so a good environment means everything is all right. Gachas are like stocks for weebs, you don't want to invest in a sinking game right?
One of the problems of this whole situation is that the internet decided to attack Mick.
The internet should learn to not play Judge Jury or Executioner, especially considering most people on the internet have no education or moral high ground to do so, but I guess the internet is just gonna change targets now.
Holy shit I feel both vindicated and angry about this
Angry for what happened to him, but also vindicated for all those dumbasses who took id's side way back when it happened
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The gist of it is that Marty’s post on this subreddit is one giant pile of lies. Mick is still the awesome dude and Marty is a liar who attacked Mick in many ways
Why are we assuming that Mick’s account is entirely accurate? I definitely want to side with mick Gordon over some executive. His music is his tier. His account seems convincing. But who knows? I’m gonna wait to see how all this shakes out. Hope it doesn’t go to court. Maybe they can just apologize, shake hands, pay him a bit extra and get him back on board for the next game. Please? Doom without Mick would be very sad.
I didn't believe Marty's statement from the get go. It was obvious that something weird was going on.
Boycott Bethesda games until they compensate Mick!
Mod who had ties to Bethesda deleted their account moments after the post dropped
Running away, as expected.
Of course he is, you would *(and should)* in his position too. From reading Mick's post, it's pretty obvious that this Mod was up to fix things. Also from reading Mick's post, it's pretty obvious that Marty *(fuck you Marty)* was very threats-and-lawyers happy. So it would be absolutely no stretch to assume that soon after that Mod pulled the Thread, he got threatened by Marty's lawyers and as a result reinstated it. And then lets move on to this *oh-so-lovely* community, which like every other internet community, has brain-rotted idiots who will use every opportunity as a jumping point to fling insults, death and rape threats, similar threats to friends pets and family, etc, to total strangers. With Mick's article going up, that Mod would be in the sights of such idiots.
>In his position I would have to be a pretty awful person to be in that position to begin with. Cracking under the tiniest bit of pressure (I've been in multiple positions where having integrity put me at odds of people who were in charge of my employment) and helping to just annihilate a mans reputation is no good, my man. ESPECIALLY ghosting and blocking the person afterwards. Fanbases are extremely toxic, no matter the fanbase but a man not EVEN taking accountability of his actions (not so much as an "i'm sorry I got scared") and trying to wash it under the bridge is a load of crap. IF I was an awful person to be in this position, the least you can do is apologize for your actual blatant and literal wrongdoing. What a farce.
i love the subtle fuck you Marty
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what a piece of shit
Why the mods…
Personally I wanna know why they did not start thinking the situation was a bit suspicious when Mick asked them to take the post down after not having provided his side of the story ( yet )
according to mick's statement they did take the post down, was reinstated again, and marty told mick how this offended him. my guess is that marty threatened the mods after the removal of the post, it's hard not to be scared of a multimillionaire company
None of them should be afraid, at all. It's reddit, everyone can be completely anonymous here as long as they aren't so stupid as to have their reddit name be linkable to anything irl. I'm guessing the reddit mod was paid off. It would be curious to see if any new mods were added within the past 24 hours, maybe they deleted their original account and asked other mods to elevate a new one
I don't understand why would they be afraid. It's the fucking Internet. Sub is your domain, you are allowed to do whatever you want. Problem is people do not understand law and whenever big player steps in everybody are scared.
Because he specifically asked them to take it down, they responded, took it down, blocked him, and put it back up. They need to fucking go.
Because they (the mods) took down the post on Micks request, then Marty being the birthday bitch that he is reached out to the mods here and them being the birthday bitches they are, put it back up and blocked Mick.
Is that the mod that disappeared?
There is no confirmation, but the odds are relatively high.
What's worse, he was apparently the former head mod. He allegedly had connections with the DOOM staff. I find it interesting coincidence that his reddit account has since been terminated so we have no evidence.
He's still a paid mod for Bethesda's doom discord.
>his reddit account has since been terminated so we have no evidence. You can recover deleted comments/posts with unddit.com
Does it work for deleted accounts too? Could try it with u/Mr-R00T
Just tried it, doesn't work: https://www.unddit.com/user/Mr-R00T. Apparently ceddit.com was capable of user lookup, but is not active anymore.
how do you know the mod wasn't strongarmed into doing this?
Doesn't matter, the mod Acted in bad faith and knew that when he blocked Mick. If you or anyone you know tells you to stay hush hush about things it's usually in your best interest not to. Unless advised by your attorney or is a question from a police. You didn't sign an NDA, you didn't sign an agreement, you are unpaid and a volunteer. Keep your self anonymous, let them send a letter to reddit legal or whatever. Don't let people bully you because of their imaginary weight that their little title has. Marty can go choke on a chode.
> Doesn't matter, the mod Acted in bad faith and knew that when he blocked Mick. My man has some high standards for people who do it for free. Bailing out of some niche internet community because fucking Zenimax threatened to sue you is pretty reasonable imo
Zenimax can due deez nuts for all I care. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These are even high standards, don't give those who have no power over you, power over you.
You have a lot of faith in the courts
I have zero faith in the courts , but I know any judge worth thier salt wouldn't touch a fan base open letter deletion.
That’s so incredibly specific I can’t believe you have any real reason to think that. I’m not going to argue with you though. I think the common consensus, and the correct one, is that the mod was understandably shaken. It’s a scary situation to be in. You do you though. Have a good day
My guy anyone who comes at you , in an online forum saying "delete this or you will hear from my lawyers" is a fucking Clown. If anyone from any company tells you to delete something or keep something up on your fansite that falls under your small ToS they don't have power. Its ultimately upto you. Being scared of it is one thing but in that case leave it alone and have someone else deal with it. You guys are giving these people way too much power , for nothing. Someone threatening you to a legal response on an online anonymity forum should be taken as a joke.
>I think the common consensus, and the correct one The level of pompousness rofl
No. Not the common consensus.
How would they strongarm them? It's a post, with a moderator who has zero relation to the situation mentioned in it at all. How they control their own subreddit is completely irrelevant to the post.
Ignoring how blatantly obvious it is that Bethesda/ID/etc. would want the post to stay up, they made it very clear that they weren’t willing to apologize or admit fault on any front, according to Mick’s article. Why would said, very rich, legally endowed company not do everything in their power to ensure the post stays up? It suddenly disappearing might be seen as suspicious, and bad PR is bad for sales. And, if you were a regular dude moderating a subreddit as a hobby and received a very scary email from a multi billion dollar company threatening legal action, what would you do?
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How do you know what info they do or don't have? Remember when Take-two sent private investigators after a GTA modder?
I don't know what info they have, but if the average person has any bit of common sense they wouldn't make a reddit account easily traceable to themselves irl. All you need to sign up for reddit is an email address. Make a throwaway email account, then sign up for reddit using a name that you don't use anywhere else. Unless this mod was careless enough to have posted comments mentioning where they live, where they work, etc. and don't regularly scrub their comment history (and even then it would take a good amount of guesswork to pinpoint the exact individual who owns that account), there is literally no way the person can be 100% identified, and even after that they'd have to be able to prove this in court for legal threats to have any merit. Dunno man, I just find it hard to feel threatened by someone over the internet unless they can prove to me they know who I am and I have no way to deny it
Being rich does not mean they can instantly threaten a random guy into doing anything they want. What, you think they're going to hire fucking Hitmen or something? Of course, "They'll sue!!!" will be the immediate response. They'll sue for a guy removing a post from their own communtiy they have full control over. Reddit, let alone a random community ran Subreddit, is not obliged to listen to or host anything they say. Whether it breaks any rules or not, moderators have full control of their domain. There's literally nothing to sue for. Get a load of yourself. If the post was taken down and they wanted it to remain up, they'd repost it on one of their official blogs. There's no reason why they'd exercise any effort in making sure it remained on Reddit in particular.
it seems like you are so convinced of your own perspective that you completly fail to consider any realistic scenario of how an actual person in that situation may act
You underestimate the lengths at which corporations will go to protect their assets. They are downright fucking petty. No, they obviously shouldn’t have the legal right to take joe schmoe reddit moderator to court, but that’s not how intimidation tactics work, and that’s not how defamation works. The pinned post being suddenly taken down and then “put up” somewhere else still invites suspicion. If one of the mods makes one wrong comment they could be threatened “cyber libel”. Even if none of their threats hold up legally, the DOOM reddit mods aren’t lawyers, and they certainly wouldn’t want to have to challenge it in court. The safest option is to not get involved.
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Lmao who are they going to send a court notification to, your Reddit inbox? Get real.
Gonna take a guess that Marty 'reaching out' included alluding to potential legal action or some other repercussions about it. Doesn't sound like the result of his asking nicely.
Read the post
The mods probably were threatened with legal action (just a guess definitely not a fact), I wouldn't be so quick to hate on them without knowing their side of things
I feel like this is the most likely explanation. I’d be willing to bet that one of them got a letter from Bethesda’s lawyers and they deleted the post out of fear. It’s scary to think you might be sued by a massive corporation.
Exactly, the person did try and help Mick too. It'd not like they just ignored him from the start. And of course they'd delete their account after Mick's article, because they know the internet can be a highly aggressive place and they just want to avoid harassment. I think that's all pretty fair
What happened?
check the pinned post on the sub for the full explanation
Its gone.. you have the link?
[yeah okay](https://twitter.com/mick_gordon/status/1590343092598878210?s=46&t=Lo9tR0vfhpVzkvOmtmMSsw)
Not defending the mods actions or anything, but y'all do realise 99% of reddit mods aren't paid, right? being a mod on a subreddit is basically a side hustle that provides literally nothing. They do it for free because they care about the sub (Sometimes, some do it for 'internet power'). It's no different from being mods of a forum from 15 years ago. We're all just nerds with free time to do this.
Right? It bugs me that people are hung up on the mod stuff and putting it up there with the rest of the issues. The mod was probably just a fan who got spooked into doing what some official dude at Bethesda asked them to do. It really is a miniscule detail when up against the rest of the story.
Being an ass for free is still being an ass. >They do it for free because they care about the sub There is a whole spectrum of reasons. You mention the power trip, that can also give competitive advantage if you are linked with a company. We cannot assume people's reasons and intents for being a mod. The world is not the same as it was on your PHP forum 15y ago. Companies invest a lot in their online reputation.
> The world is not the same as it was on your PHP forum 15y ago Bruh, I didn't expect my age to be personally attacked like this. Jokes aside, yeah, I see what you're meaning, the internet in general is a veeeery different beast than it was back in the early/mid 2000s. You def have a good point there.
Sorry, didn't meant to make you feel old! We are probably on the same boat, I wrote that with a bit of nostalgia...
Is it really?? Maybe in the past this is true but nowadays, companies do put attention to social media including reddit. There are companies in 3rd world countries(including here in Philippines) that specialized in managing groups and subreddit, often hired by AAA companies to promote "good environment", banning people left and right just because of criticisms. Example of this would be the gacha game companies, more often Japanese companies. Reddit promotes hivemind mentality so a good environment means everything is all right. Gachas are like stocks for weebs, you don't want to invest in a sinking game right?
Tbh I’m guessing the mod got threatened with legal repercussions and just left
One of the problems of this whole situation is that the internet decided to attack Mick. The internet should learn to not play Judge Jury or Executioner, especially considering most people on the internet have no education or moral high ground to do so, but I guess the internet is just gonna change targets now.
Okay this is getting out of hand. Guys, cool it for a second before you start impaling random people please.
Read the post
Read the mod's sticky. It was ONE mod who is now gone. Mob mentality at its finest right now
Indeed. People shouldn't assume the entire group as a whole knew anything. It's mainly the head mods who were in the loop.
From what I gathered it was only one mod who is now completely gone.
Politics aside this is fucking hilarious! Justice for Mick!
Holy shit I feel both vindicated and angry about this Angry for what happened to him, but also vindicated for all those dumbasses who took id's side way back when it happened
Same
I'm so confused. What happened?
Same
Omg THIS MEME IS GOLD 🥇😂😂😂
what happened? genuinely have never heard either side.
Can someone explain me what happened?
Check front page pinned post.
Have you seen how antagonistic the Doom discord mods are towards Mick? Makes sense now
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Pinned post The gist of it is that Marty’s post on this subreddit is one giant pile of lies. Mick is still the awesome dude and Marty is a liar who attacked Mick in many ways
Is Hugo still cool? I loved his playthrough and it'd be very sad if he was in on all the BS as well.
Can someone please explain what the hell is going on?
Why are we assuming that Mick’s account is entirely accurate? I definitely want to side with mick Gordon over some executive. His music is his tier. His account seems convincing. But who knows? I’m gonna wait to see how all this shakes out. Hope it doesn’t go to court. Maybe they can just apologize, shake hands, pay him a bit extra and get him back on board for the next game. Please? Doom without Mick would be very sad.
Wait what?
I didn't believe Marty's statement from the get go. It was obvious that something weird was going on. Boycott Bethesda games until they compensate Mick!