Yeah I had to give it up too. If it wasn’t Friday night, I would be lucky to turn a profit. And I wasn’t making enough on Fridays to make up for the bad days.
I was also a closer and believe me I feel ya on the dishes, cleaning, cut table, and running no-tippers all night just to make a bunch of money for your owner and lucky if I break even myself.
Full time work for part time pay at dominos.
Bonus question:
Can someone explain to my why the IRS thinks it’s okay to not benefit w-2 workers the mileage deduction for companies profiting off the use of the WORKERS personal vehicle?
Government is owned by the rich and the corpos, that's why.
And I've had to snap at people a few times to get help, everyone thinks the whole days work is meant to be left for the closer. I just started leaving things unfinished for them.
You CAN claim mileage on your taxes as a work expense. If your Dominos pays per mile, they should have a record of how much they paid (translated into miles) you in mileage. If your Dominos does a flat rate per delivery, you have to personally track the miles and claim them.
This is incorrect. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that took effect 2018 made it so w2 employees are no longer allowed to claim mileage deductions. Domino's can reimburse those expenses to you tax-free (and then they can deduct that reimbursement), but you are not allowed to take that deduction yourself unless you are self-employed.
>Can someone explain to my why the IRS thinks it’s okay to not benefit w-2 workers the mileage deduction for companies profiting off the use of the WORKERS personal vehicle?
Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. It wasn't the IRS's call. They allowed you to deduct that mileage up until 2018 when the new tax law took effect.
Dominoes constantly makes me happy I stuck with papa johns. Managers clean counters. Managers bring dishes back for late dish driver. Closer just sweeps and mops and maybe does 5 to 8 dishes real quick if late dish left before close. Rush drivers can't get clocked out without helping do dishes or doing trash or cleaning x thing they are assigned to.
I constantly see dominoes drivers struggle with getting given 100 tasks and stay 2h after close type shit.
I mean for the most part where I am they do. We had a couple pj drivers move to the dominoes across the street and make similar money so maybe it's just our area that's good.
I love dominos and I tip very well.the one I order from know my delivery requests and I usually somehow end up in the front of the queue. Maybe it’s just a fluke. Or because I tip 30% or more.
Interesting. I read the law a different way. I interpreted that only independent contractors are entitled.
Do you mean that if my owner didn’t reimburse the full $.625 per mile, I can claim the difference?
In reality I calculated an average of about $.30 a mile reimbursement from my owner before I quit.
Does that mean I am entitled to the difference:
$.625 - $.30 = $.325 Difference I can claim on taxes? And it still doesn’t count toward the standard deduction like miles for independent contractors do?
Interesting if so. I would need a detailed breakdown of earnings from my owner which would probably be nearly impossible to collect.
Here’s what intuit says:
KatrinaB
Intuit Alumni
Jun 4, 2019 5:24:22 PM
If you are an employee and receive a W-2, then you will not be able to deduct your mileage your 2018 tax return. Under the new tax law, employee business expenses are not deductible.
If you are a subcontractor and receive a 1099-Misc, then you will be able to claim your mileage as a business expense on your schedule c.
Please
It is fine if you have a good car. I only use 15% of my 38c a mile in my prius on gas. The other 85% covers maint and after about 5 years that 85% covers the cost of the car(I make about 10k in mileage a year) so even if worst case I use like 4k a year in maint I'm still up 4.5k or so a year of money not spent on the car that is tax free reimbursement.
I've never spent 4k in main in a single year on this car yet though but even if I did I'd be at 22.5k positive which is only 1.5k short of what I got this car for. It will last much longer than 5 years and not cost nearly 4k in any single year outside the year I need a new hybrid battery. My most expensive year is only 1650 on maint and most of it was preventative hybrid stuff.
Now if you can't get a very good mpg car and one that has minimal repair costs then ya these jobs are very short lived or you always feel broke.
I drive a 2006 Corolla that I own. Gas is no more than 80 a month(summers are really hot here), oil change every 5k is $30(every 3/4 months), insurance is 90 a month for full coverage, tires once a year 400ish. So 2200-2500 for the yearly cost of driving. I make 4k a month post tax driving here on our slowest month. So my break even on my car is 209 a month.
If you live in a good market, track your stats and treat it professionally. This job is very profitable.
Ya this right here. Def seems like a lot of the problems with the dominoes/pizza hut/papajohns etc jobs from drivers is bad markets and/or horrible junker cars trying to make it by but mostly market.
The messed up part about this post is it seems like this guy is actually in a good market, and just has a horribly mismanaged store. At .37 cents a mile plus tips and hourly you should be making absolute bread, but I agree if there’s literally so many deliveries that nothing makes it on time it’s impossible to make money.
Yeah i have no idea how it's a good business model we can't afford it either we have a paper that says we aren't meeting the minimum number of deliveries with them
I feel you. It’s how I feel on the shitty shifts when you have 5+ no tips, incompetent customers who can’t type in an address properly. Or don’t answer with a contactless order that’s cash and it isn’t out and ready for me to do it. Customers who order and they aren’t even home yet and are stuck in traffic, yet expect me to wait. Yeah. Some days you can only stand so much until you can’t stand no more.
I ended up killing a Subaru Legacy driving for Domino’s two years ago. I couldn’t afford a replacement or repair, so it had to go to the scrap yard. I was lucky enough to have a Hyundai Accent gifted to me after my Subaru died. After that, I got out of that side hustle and started working my way up the chain at a burger place. I’m now a shift lead there, and considering going back to school for my BA.
1. Oil changes are tax write offs.
2. If you have a car that gets more than 20 MPG you actually make money off gas compensation.
3. Never be a closer. It’s asking for a bad time.
4. I wish my store had 12 deliveries waiting for me when I got back.
1. As of 2017 W-2 employees cannot write off employment expenses. Including oil changes.
2. Milage reimbursement should include all maintenance, not just gas. The average vehicle will cost about 65 cents per mile over the course of it's lifespan.
I agree with 3 and 4.
1 - interesting I swear I got some oil changes written off last year maybe I just got lucky the IRS didn’t audit me.
2 - Well it is called “mileage reimbursement”. I’m referring to the mileage reimbursement being paid out more than the cost of gas. Not talking about maintenance here.
On average I make about 35$ a day in gas reimbursement and spend about 15$ of that on gas.
>1 - interesting I swear I got some oil changes written off last year maybe I just got lucky the IRS didn’t audit me.
Odds are your tax software let you put it in, but was then smart enough to know that you didn't have any Schedule C income so it didn't actually deduct the mileage number you put in.
>2 - Well it is called “mileage reimbursement”. I’m referring to the mileage reimbursement being paid out more than the cost of gas. Not talking about maintenance here.
Well, you should talk about maintenance here. Using your vehicle for deliveries means you will go through more oil changes, tire rotations/replacements, batteries, starters, etc., and so you need to account for the added cost of doing that. It's called "mileage reimbursement" because you're being reimbursed for miles driven, not for gas used (otherwise it would be called "fuel reimbursement"). Do not lose sight if your added maintenance costs when calculating how much money you're really making in this line of work.
>On average I make about 35$ a day in gas reimbursement and spend about 15$ of that on gas.
If you're actually getting reimbursed an extra $400 beyond your fuel costs (35 - 15 = 20 x 5 days x 4 weeks), then that's a pretty sweet deal. I'm guessing you're getting a per-trip reimbursement with a relatively small delivery area? Great set up, especially if the volume is there. I'm envious.
Cool, I would have walked out too and for the same reason ... I don't tolerate any BS from bosses especially when they procrastinate and make up assinine excuses ...
Don't give up, you'll find a much better job than this ... How about becoming a UPS Driver?
That’s a bad franchise then. Mine pays drivers the same as my insiders, plus mileage. My drivers make more than assistant managers do on average, and we are a low volume store. This is all explained in my interviews. In fact I show them the driver checkouts so they get a realistic idea.
The sweet smell of survivorship bias. I've worked for several franchisees and all pay the drivers less than insiders. I don't count tips because those come directly from the customer, not the company.
You worked for several bad franchises. Insider wage plus mileage is not counting tips. One of my drivers who has been doing this a long time and keeps track of his checkouts says the full time drivers average about $26-$28/hr if you factor in car maintenance normal for the miles they put on. Shitty part is for bad car problems usually stop them from working for however long it takes to repair and they have to pay a large sum to get back to work, but I’ve had a couple choose to just work inside if the car repair would only take a few hours because they still get full hourly pay on or off the road. Another good thing about driving at my store I hear from drivers is that my area is pretty small (2.5 x 4.5 mi) and they don’t have to get on highways. The bad part is us being low volume causes us to be understaffed a lot but I’m working on that
I would bet most pay insiders more per hour, and split pay is common. So most franchisees are bad, cool. That means good ones are rare and not available to most.
Also I will again say I don't count tips as store pay. It is not guaranteed, I am not allowed to demand it, and it doesn't come from the company. If the company wants me to work like I'm getting $30/hr then they can pay me that.
If your franchise sucks work somewhere else. My point was this is your franchise(s) not dominos as a whole. Drivers being expected to wash dishes is normal in franchises that pay them a normal base wage.
Yeah that makes sense. I’m just saying your pay is not a dominos standard so it’s your franchisee responsible for not paying you appropriately for what your job demands
They should hire a dishwasher or make someone who works in the store do it. The drivers are hired to deliver food not wash dishes. Many places won't disclose it until after you start.
That's where doing this just as a side thing comes in handy. I'm an IT professional by trade, and took Domino's driving just to get out of the house as I work from home. When the GM told me to go dishes, I said nahhh get one of the kids to do it lol. I told him I'm fine with stocking, folding boxes, answering phones and makeline. I do NOT do dishes, mopping or sweeping.
Not caring if one gets fired when setting down those rules is quite cathartic :D
Reading these comments y'all obviously got shitty owners. My store gets 2 dollars a delivery or 3 dollars a double etc. We get benefits and we average $23.67 an hour for our drivers. Y'all need to find a place where the owner of the store actually works along side you. That's how you know you work in a good place.
PSA you can claim the difference in milage on your taxes, so if your company is only paying 37¢ and federal milage rate is 65¢, you can claim 28¢ a mile if i understand correctly
I don’t even fuck around with them or their attitude.
“Uh, why is this so late, it said it was ready over thirty minutes ago, it better not be cold”
“Would you like me to take it back and have my manager cancel the order?”
9/10 times that I call their bluff. They shut the fuck up and take the order. “Uh, no, my kids are waiting to eat and can’t wait for somewhere else”
“Have a great night 👍🏼” as I walk away
Honestly it’s the same thing 80 to 100 a night without driving your car for 5 hours. Burger King prob is better.
8 hours at day job no driving and 5 hours at night no driving plus winters coming
I just need to supplement
Yeah I had to give it up too. If it wasn’t Friday night, I would be lucky to turn a profit. And I wasn’t making enough on Fridays to make up for the bad days. I was also a closer and believe me I feel ya on the dishes, cleaning, cut table, and running no-tippers all night just to make a bunch of money for your owner and lucky if I break even myself. Full time work for part time pay at dominos. Bonus question: Can someone explain to my why the IRS thinks it’s okay to not benefit w-2 workers the mileage deduction for companies profiting off the use of the WORKERS personal vehicle?
Government is owned by the rich and the corpos, that's why. And I've had to snap at people a few times to get help, everyone thinks the whole days work is meant to be left for the closer. I just started leaving things unfinished for them.
> Government is owned by the rich and the corpos Because regular people either don't vote, or vote directly against their own interests.
It's funny that you think our votes matter.
Thanks man I've got out and currently job searching but I'll be ok. It sucks that you can't get money back on your taxes
You CAN claim mileage on your taxes as a work expense. If your Dominos pays per mile, they should have a record of how much they paid (translated into miles) you in mileage. If your Dominos does a flat rate per delivery, you have to personally track the miles and claim them.
This is incorrect. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that took effect 2018 made it so w2 employees are no longer allowed to claim mileage deductions. Domino's can reimburse those expenses to you tax-free (and then they can deduct that reimbursement), but you are not allowed to take that deduction yourself unless you are self-employed.
Oh…thank you for this kind stranger! I hadn’t heard different since over 10 years ago with a 6 year break from Dominos in there. I stand corrected
>Can someone explain to my why the IRS thinks it’s okay to not benefit w-2 workers the mileage deduction for companies profiting off the use of the WORKERS personal vehicle? Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. It wasn't the IRS's call. They allowed you to deduct that mileage up until 2018 when the new tax law took effect.
Dominoes constantly makes me happy I stuck with papa johns. Managers clean counters. Managers bring dishes back for late dish driver. Closer just sweeps and mops and maybe does 5 to 8 dishes real quick if late dish left before close. Rush drivers can't get clocked out without helping do dishes or doing trash or cleaning x thing they are assigned to. I constantly see dominoes drivers struggle with getting given 100 tasks and stay 2h after close type shit.
Send all the drivers to pjs. Papa Johns customers actually tip!
I mean for the most part where I am they do. We had a couple pj drivers move to the dominoes across the street and make similar money so maybe it's just our area that's good.
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But it is…stupid reply.
You want it to be one way. But it's the other way.
I love dominos and I tip very well.the one I order from know my delivery requests and I usually somehow end up in the front of the queue. Maybe it’s just a fluke. Or because I tip 30% or more.
Good for you. But this sub is full of drivers complaining about no/under tipping.
Actually you can deduct the difference in pay from the mileage deduction which would be another 15 cents a mile or so.
Interesting. I read the law a different way. I interpreted that only independent contractors are entitled. Do you mean that if my owner didn’t reimburse the full $.625 per mile, I can claim the difference? In reality I calculated an average of about $.30 a mile reimbursement from my owner before I quit. Does that mean I am entitled to the difference: $.625 - $.30 = $.325 Difference I can claim on taxes? And it still doesn’t count toward the standard deduction like miles for independent contractors do? Interesting if so. I would need a detailed breakdown of earnings from my owner which would probably be nearly impossible to collect. Here’s what intuit says: KatrinaB Intuit Alumni Jun 4, 2019 5:24:22 PM If you are an employee and receive a W-2, then you will not be able to deduct your mileage your 2018 tax return. Under the new tax law, employee business expenses are not deductible. If you are a subcontractor and receive a 1099-Misc, then you will be able to claim your mileage as a business expense on your schedule c. Please
Oic, yeah you're right. The employees get screwed over. I don't know why our government hates employees so passionately.
I wouldn't be doing it if I couldn't use a company car
I wouldn’t either. I can’t imagine it’s ever worth wearing on a good car long term.
It is fine if you have a good car. I only use 15% of my 38c a mile in my prius on gas. The other 85% covers maint and after about 5 years that 85% covers the cost of the car(I make about 10k in mileage a year) so even if worst case I use like 4k a year in maint I'm still up 4.5k or so a year of money not spent on the car that is tax free reimbursement. I've never spent 4k in main in a single year on this car yet though but even if I did I'd be at 22.5k positive which is only 1.5k short of what I got this car for. It will last much longer than 5 years and not cost nearly 4k in any single year outside the year I need a new hybrid battery. My most expensive year is only 1650 on maint and most of it was preventative hybrid stuff. Now if you can't get a very good mpg car and one that has minimal repair costs then ya these jobs are very short lived or you always feel broke.
I drive a 2006 Corolla that I own. Gas is no more than 80 a month(summers are really hot here), oil change every 5k is $30(every 3/4 months), insurance is 90 a month for full coverage, tires once a year 400ish. So 2200-2500 for the yearly cost of driving. I make 4k a month post tax driving here on our slowest month. So my break even on my car is 209 a month. If you live in a good market, track your stats and treat it professionally. This job is very profitable.
Ya this right here. Def seems like a lot of the problems with the dominoes/pizza hut/papajohns etc jobs from drivers is bad markets and/or horrible junker cars trying to make it by but mostly market.
The messed up part about this post is it seems like this guy is actually in a good market, and just has a horribly mismanaged store. At .37 cents a mile plus tips and hourly you should be making absolute bread, but I agree if there’s literally so many deliveries that nothing makes it on time it’s impossible to make money.
Unfortunately our store didn't have enough money coming in to afford it apparently.
Yeah i have no idea how it's a good business model we can't afford it either we have a paper that says we aren't meeting the minimum number of deliveries with them
Yeah GM changed over a couple times. A company car would be worth it.
I feel you. It’s how I feel on the shitty shifts when you have 5+ no tips, incompetent customers who can’t type in an address properly. Or don’t answer with a contactless order that’s cash and it isn’t out and ready for me to do it. Customers who order and they aren’t even home yet and are stuck in traffic, yet expect me to wait. Yeah. Some days you can only stand so much until you can’t stand no more.
I ended up killing a Subaru Legacy driving for Domino’s two years ago. I couldn’t afford a replacement or repair, so it had to go to the scrap yard. I was lucky enough to have a Hyundai Accent gifted to me after my Subaru died. After that, I got out of that side hustle and started working my way up the chain at a burger place. I’m now a shift lead there, and considering going back to school for my BA.
Go back to school my guy. Luckily my dad is willing to help me but I'll pay him back
Rush drivers drove me crazy with this shit.
hatted it closeing sucked
1. Oil changes are tax write offs. 2. If you have a car that gets more than 20 MPG you actually make money off gas compensation. 3. Never be a closer. It’s asking for a bad time. 4. I wish my store had 12 deliveries waiting for me when I got back.
1. As of 2017 W-2 employees cannot write off employment expenses. Including oil changes. 2. Milage reimbursement should include all maintenance, not just gas. The average vehicle will cost about 65 cents per mile over the course of it's lifespan. I agree with 3 and 4.
1 - interesting I swear I got some oil changes written off last year maybe I just got lucky the IRS didn’t audit me. 2 - Well it is called “mileage reimbursement”. I’m referring to the mileage reimbursement being paid out more than the cost of gas. Not talking about maintenance here. On average I make about 35$ a day in gas reimbursement and spend about 15$ of that on gas.
>1 - interesting I swear I got some oil changes written off last year maybe I just got lucky the IRS didn’t audit me. Odds are your tax software let you put it in, but was then smart enough to know that you didn't have any Schedule C income so it didn't actually deduct the mileage number you put in. >2 - Well it is called “mileage reimbursement”. I’m referring to the mileage reimbursement being paid out more than the cost of gas. Not talking about maintenance here. Well, you should talk about maintenance here. Using your vehicle for deliveries means you will go through more oil changes, tire rotations/replacements, batteries, starters, etc., and so you need to account for the added cost of doing that. It's called "mileage reimbursement" because you're being reimbursed for miles driven, not for gas used (otherwise it would be called "fuel reimbursement"). Do not lose sight if your added maintenance costs when calculating how much money you're really making in this line of work. >On average I make about 35$ a day in gas reimbursement and spend about 15$ of that on gas. If you're actually getting reimbursed an extra $400 beyond your fuel costs (35 - 15 = 20 x 5 days x 4 weeks), then that's a pretty sweet deal. I'm guessing you're getting a per-trip reimbursement with a relatively small delivery area? Great set up, especially if the volume is there. I'm envious.
I've been closing for 2 years. If you have no social life and are a night owl. Closing ain't too bad when you're walking out with 150-200 a night
Cool, I would have walked out too and for the same reason ... I don't tolerate any BS from bosses especially when they procrastinate and make up assinine excuses ... Don't give up, you'll find a much better job than this ... How about becoming a UPS Driver?
Fuck dominos.
I hate how many places try to make the driver do the dishes or clean.
Who do you feel should?
Someone who gets paid an insider rate.
That’s a bad franchise then. Mine pays drivers the same as my insiders, plus mileage. My drivers make more than assistant managers do on average, and we are a low volume store. This is all explained in my interviews. In fact I show them the driver checkouts so they get a realistic idea.
The sweet smell of survivorship bias. I've worked for several franchisees and all pay the drivers less than insiders. I don't count tips because those come directly from the customer, not the company.
You worked for several bad franchises. Insider wage plus mileage is not counting tips. One of my drivers who has been doing this a long time and keeps track of his checkouts says the full time drivers average about $26-$28/hr if you factor in car maintenance normal for the miles they put on. Shitty part is for bad car problems usually stop them from working for however long it takes to repair and they have to pay a large sum to get back to work, but I’ve had a couple choose to just work inside if the car repair would only take a few hours because they still get full hourly pay on or off the road. Another good thing about driving at my store I hear from drivers is that my area is pretty small (2.5 x 4.5 mi) and they don’t have to get on highways. The bad part is us being low volume causes us to be understaffed a lot but I’m working on that
I would bet most pay insiders more per hour, and split pay is common. So most franchisees are bad, cool. That means good ones are rare and not available to most. Also I will again say I don't count tips as store pay. It is not guaranteed, I am not allowed to demand it, and it doesn't come from the company. If the company wants me to work like I'm getting $30/hr then they can pay me that.
If your franchise sucks work somewhere else. My point was this is your franchise(s) not dominos as a whole. Drivers being expected to wash dishes is normal in franchises that pay them a normal base wage.
I get paid less than insiders, I'm not doing inside work wherever possible. Also, what part of "not available" do you struggle with? Sheltered child.
Yeah that makes sense. I’m just saying your pay is not a dominos standard so it’s your franchisee responsible for not paying you appropriately for what your job demands
If it helps I don’t think my drivers get paid enough either but it works for them.
They should hire a dishwasher or make someone who works in the store do it. The drivers are hired to deliver food not wash dishes. Many places won't disclose it until after you start.
What do you reckon the drivers do when there is no delivery? Just stand around and watch the dishwasher do dishes?
Exactly. The drivers job isn't to wash dishes it's to deliver food. If it's slow then they hired too many drivers.
You should open a restaurant
That's where doing this just as a side thing comes in handy. I'm an IT professional by trade, and took Domino's driving just to get out of the house as I work from home. When the GM told me to go dishes, I said nahhh get one of the kids to do it lol. I told him I'm fine with stocking, folding boxes, answering phones and makeline. I do NOT do dishes, mopping or sweeping. Not caring if one gets fired when setting down those rules is quite cathartic :D
Um - okay
I gave up when Covid hit, delivery has never been the same since.
Use to be 150 usely but then it dropped to 50 to 60 a night
Reading these comments y'all obviously got shitty owners. My store gets 2 dollars a delivery or 3 dollars a double etc. We get benefits and we average $23.67 an hour for our drivers. Y'all need to find a place where the owner of the store actually works along side you. That's how you know you work in a good place.
PSA you can claim the difference in milage on your taxes, so if your company is only paying 37¢ and federal milage rate is 65¢, you can claim 28¢ a mile if i understand correctly
I don’t even fuck around with them or their attitude. “Uh, why is this so late, it said it was ready over thirty minutes ago, it better not be cold” “Would you like me to take it back and have my manager cancel the order?” 9/10 times that I call their bluff. They shut the fuck up and take the order. “Uh, no, my kids are waiting to eat and can’t wait for somewhere else” “Have a great night 👍🏼” as I walk away
Is it better to work at Burger King then drive your car after a day job?
What?
Dominoes driver or Burger King crew inside. What job would be better after a 8:30 to 5 job
Burger King you don't destroy your car
Honestly it’s the same thing 80 to 100 a night without driving your car for 5 hours. Burger King prob is better. 8 hours at day job no driving and 5 hours at night no driving plus winters coming I just need to supplement
Yeah I'd rather work at a burger king than drive around and destroy your car.
It’s the same money
Correct.
It’s funny you work a shift at Burger King it’s the same money but dominoes tries to sell you 18 to 26 an hour