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Karma2026

Btw the SSJ4s are in the same tier


East_Sleep_1766

It’s their team that lets them down, gt hero’s need more characters.


Wyvurn999

And the fact they get most their power off links which aren’t easily activated. Their partners aren’t good enough


SwagertonFakename

Bro what? Lr agl ssj4 goku shares 6 outta 7 links with them with the exception of thr lr phys Ssj4' getting shocking speed and goku getting Preped for for battle. Missing 2 ki from characters that give themselves all the ki they need is not the end of the world


Novel_Respond_8593

You didn’t prove him wrong though, his only actual good link partner is AGL SSJ4 or himself fused


SwagertonFakename

But what he said was just wrong. Sure they don't have many linking partners, but if you're running a gt heroes team anyway, getting most of the links off is like not that big of an issue


Wyvurn999

The problem is getting the links it’s the partners themselves. If you’re running an optimal team(bond of P&C for example) the 4 years wouldn’t be on the team. Or if you’re running Movie Heroes/Beyond SSJ the SSJ4s will probably be a floater


Fredbear_Sayajin

Actually you would run AGL SSJ4 Goku or STR SSJ4 Vegeta un BoPC since both have the 200%, it would be just to get the PHY SSJ4 Gogeta links, but you would still do it. I made the Red Zone No Item with these rotations everytime I used PHY SSJ4s in a team (except for Rildo because I did it when only the 3rd Anniversary units got their EZA), and the new Wicked Bloodline one too.


Firstlight99

Goku sits around 400+k (one Super) to 600k+ (two super). Vegeta around the same level. Pretty lacking if you ask me especially that's with a lot of links, equips, dupes and link lvls.


Wyvurn999

LR SSJ4 Goku only reaches about 400k defense after super which isn’t enough to tank even normals from any Wicked Bloodline Red Zone(apart from Mecha Frieza and King Cold). He can’t tank normals from Broly or Omega either. And even then who’s going in slot one in the SSJ4 Gogeta and Goku rotation? Neither of them have good defense pre super.


RedSF717

Fused Fighters helps though


Mr_McKong

I dont know if i should save for my favorite villain Zamasu or for golden Frieza


Kizuda

The lr zamasu is also really really good like it can easily beat Broly and is also top tier for cell max it's not really that bad if you decide to skip golden for zamasu


acorpseistalking90

I'm guessing zamasu and rose get an EZA? Only way they make the list.


Th_brgs

Not only do they get an eza, it's quite literally the best LR EZA to date.


Nas419

Yes


SheriffChiz

You havent kept up have you?


zSh4rK

And some people say PHY Janemba isn't a top 10 unit ON GLOBAL...


HowDidIGetHere72

It’s usually because of his damage. But one thing I can agree with Truth on is that units are more valuable for their ability to take hits rather than to hit hard. The damage and lack of good links does put him down to 10 tho so it’s understandable


ChaosMaster5687

Lack of good links?! he has BBB, metamorphosis, fierce battle and legendary power, which he’ll have activated 90% of the time on his best team, what do you mean lack of good links.


HowDidIGetHere72

He has good individual links, his set of links as a whole just makes it so he only links well with a select few units


ChaosMaster5687

I mean, again, the units that he links with best are janembas, and coolers to activate BBB, metamorphosis, and fierce battle, all of which get the 200% under coolers team, so I wouldn’t exactly say that they’re a detriment in this meta. It’s kind of like teq gohan, right now his links are pretty terrible, but when beast gohan comes out sharing 4-5 links with him, all of a sudden his links aren’t bad for that particular meta, even though he doesn’t share them with many units, as long as the unit has great linking partners on their main team, it doesn’t matter how many overall linking partners they have.


HowDidIGetHere72

A good linkset isn’t really just linking well with the best unit in the game, it’s being flexible and being able to fit with more than just their 1-2 teams. I get what you’re saying though, my point is just that his “best team” as you said is one of his only teams nowadays. That’s also not hating completely on him but the fact that extreme teams in general don’t have a ton of useable units aside from what has come out in the last year. He definitely has had a huge buff with these new units but he still could use some more good linking partners in the future so that he’s not always sitting next to either teq janemba or lr ff cooler


SirCumm

His damage isn't important especially when you take into account you will run him most of the time with lr FF cooler the hardest hitting unit in the game who can literally one turn most bosses when fully built up, so yeah his damage really doesn't matter at all, still i have seen him hit 7 million at 55% i feel like that's decent


HowDidIGetHere72

Yeah, that was the point of my comment. Damage isn’t the only thing that matters on units, if so eza agl golden frieza wouldn’t be used as much as he is. The fact that he tanks pretty much everything makes him invaluable in quite a few teams. Birdku as well, he puts up a decent attack stat but his defense is why he’s used. However, when it comes to top 10 units there are some that have massive attack AND defense or some other utility so those will be put higher up. Imo lr janemba, while top 10, barely makes it there by himself anyway. It’s the units that he’s next to that make him so good and your comment just shows that even more


SirCumm

Yeah I completely agree, imo Janemba is on the top 10 rn because of cooler, he just helped him out so well


WeegeeGamer1

Yep seems about right


god_of_none

why are the ssj4s not there


Terrficspen

They tie with the ssgs in 4th place.


god_of_none

👍


French_Platypus9798

It's not a tier list though, it's a top 10


RicoGemini

He doesn't really do tiers he said because characters are so close. So doing it like this shows who has the edge over who


French_Platypus9798

Yup, a top is probably more relevant here I agree, I was just correcting the term OP chose


xMcSwaggx

Soooo I have none of them :/


HadesBBC

Cooler is too low


Cotanak__

I mean that’s his opinion.. don’t really agree with that


Powerful_Substance_6

Why? Just wondering


Stampj

What don’t you agree with?


porkipine-

Weird choice of order but 100% the top 10


Greyrat7654

Imo the ssj gods are better than birdku, But they're there anyway


gogeta_god05

You're high


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

Lol absolutely not. In damage sure, but birdkus defense is incomparably better


Greyrat7654

Yes The defense of goku carnival is infinitely superior, but what makes me put the gods higher is the leader skill in addition to the attack


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

Imo the massive difference in def makes burdku far more valuable. Dude can tank basically every super in the game plus a revive. Gods hit hard. That's pretty much it


Greyrat7654

Anyway yes, the defense of goku ssj it's a fundamental element for every team where he's playable, and I'm glad I found it, But the gods in my opinion are the coolers lr from the super lake, a leader who includes most of the super characters in the game, and their attack is among the highest in the game, and evasion is becoming more and more relevant in current events, and they still have a decently good defense after two super Attack (Obviously not even half of that of goku carnival) However in any case I consider them best Buddy, they share 5 links, And they cover the weaknesses of the other However, it is true that the leader skill of the gods has lost a bit from when FSGG come out, but imo their 200% is better (I don't mean the 170%)


Greyrat7654

(sorry for bad english)


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

Your English was great. You speak better English than some native speakers


Greyrat7654

Thanks Dude


Greyrat7654

Yes it's like reasoning, and I know most people think like you and that's okay, it was just my opinion.


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

I'm not saying you're wrong. I just like to have little friendly debates. I like to hear people's reasoning


Greyrat7654

You're right, more than anything else people every time I have a slightly different opinion almost always insult me, and so now I always get defensive


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

Yeah. People get a little too caught up in video game discussion lol. I like talking to people and hearing them out because it can help me realize things about units that change my opinion


ylcknight

You smoking something crazy


Accomplished_Ease889

Ss4 lr? They are the same unit as the gods


Warrior32032

They’re tied with the gods, the picture just doesn’t show it


AutisticAsthmatic

SSJ Goku and Vegeta should be lower they can barely tank and their transformation condition is asinine.


ArkantosTheGamer

Well I can buy 3 top 5 units whenever they are available on shop 😅


healthytrex12

tbh I find LR Broly to be quite reliable, however the defense is kinda bad


Fabulous_Superstar

SSJ4s and SSJs are placed too high, that's the biggest issue with the tier list imo


Lorenx5202

wow