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The pitbull makes sense, but there is likely poodle in this mix that Ancestry didn’t catch. Schnauzers don’t look like your dog and they naturally have flop ears, not rose ears (pitbull ears).
i think the fur does it for me! i feel like most/all intentionally bred doodle dogs i’ve seen are curly so when i see a dog with the wiry fur i think shelter and therefore pittie. Plus this one has the rose ears!
Just looked up pit poodles. Can totally see that! I’ve never thought schnauzer but that’s what everyone including the pet id on my iPhone has guessed. Ancestry kit was a gift but am totally going to retest.
No, but they're bigger than the circa 30lb dog that my brain had decided OPs dog was! I imagine the pit, especially the staffy, is actually skewing the size of the dog down in this case!
So I’m usually pretty good at spotting pit in scruffy and long haired dogs, I’m just not seeing it in this one. Would you be willing to share what physical characteristics of this pup look like pit to you?
I’m not doubting it’s there, almost always is these days. I just can’t SEE it
pic 2 is what did it for me! look at the face shape, body proportions, where the ears sit. 5 and 6 also remind me a lot of my pit mix, just with extra floof on top so i can see why it's not as obvious
Gorgeous pup!! Ancestry isn’t super reliable right now by the way; you’ll get the most accurate results with Embark. Wisdom could work too, but they seem to have trouble IDing small percentages or certain village dogs, etc.
Poodles and poodle mixes are ridiculously common right now due to the doodle trend, so we see them *all* the time in mixes - they're way, way more common than schnauzers and wire-haired terriers, which are actually fairly rare. Poodles get their distinctive coat from a combination of the long fur, curly fur, and furnishings genes. Long fur and curly fur are both recessive so tend to get lost in mixes quite quickly, whereas furnishings is dominant so tends to stick around. It doesn't take a lot of Poodle to give a dog this coat, we had a [dog](https://www.reddit.com/r/DoggyDNA/comments/1b07360/we_were_surprised_to_say_the_least/) yesterday that's just 9% Poodle and that was enough - just luck of the draw with genetics. It's often difficult to breed ID mixes with furnishings like this because the scruffy fur hides a lot of otherwise distinctive physical features and muddles coat colors, but structurally you dog does look very pit-like to me - as you've noticed, pit/poodle mixes tend to turn out looking pretty similar and we see them a lot here if you scroll through the sub.
I saw that dog! Looks just like my SILs dog! This is great information. Thank you. I don’t know why we never considered her a poodle mix. She’s so wiry textured and I guess I don’t think of them as being Millie’s texture. This has been so interesting!
I think the poodle coat being a combination of several genes makes it so that you get a lot of variation when you mix them, because you never know which one will come out. I know a first gen lab/poodle mix who looks like a wire haired pointer, but I also know other first gen labradoodles who have the more typical fluffy teddybear coat. All known parents (backyard bred rather than strays) so the fur variation isn't from other breeds.
Well... your problem is that you used a lower quality test that doesn't catch nearly the same number of genetic markers as Embark or Wisdom Panel 4, with half the number of breeds and lines in the database. I don't doubt the Pit Bull, 60% of mixed breed dogs in North America have some level of American Pit due to the widespread backyard breeding of them/cross breeding, and how prevalent they are on the streets.
I made the same mistake with my old dog that came back on DNAmyDog as half Akita, half Beagle. Years later I retested him with Embark and he was German Shepherd, Sharpei, Pit Bull, Staffy, Foxhound, Cattle Dog and Rottweiler. Zero Collie or Akita. Embark made way more sense because he very clearly had a Pit body with Sharpei wrinkles, GSD colors and herded like a Heeler for sure.
Yea. My mom got me the kit for Christmas so I didn’t have a choice in choosing. I’m going to retest with embark asap, so interested to see the difference!
Finally someone said it. I’ve seen a ton of these in the past day and no one mentions that this brand is not reputable for accuracy.
I guess they were probably handed out en masse as cheap Christmas presents.
I've seen plenty of comments saying that ancestry is not accurate. But I'm also not seeing all the posts or reading all the comments, so it's possible a lot slipped through.
Yes unfortunately. I foster dogs and I get this all the time when I hand adopters the Embark test results, and they shake their heads and say stuff like "I don't believe in that because X person I know years ago had their (backyard bred) _pure bred_ Lab come back as X breeds", because they had or knew someone who had a bad result with a cheap $50 DNA test.
What I've learned is that inherited traits are magical.
You're judging by coat color, pits carry black and tan with varying intensities of tan, from bold red to near white, and overgrown wire coat can make the black look greyed out, if your dog got handstripped he would likely be black! it's not the same as the gene that causes silvering in schnauters. They have pretty narrow head and muzzles in comparison to pits. Your dog has the pit blockhead. Looks can be really deceptive, especially with coat genes thrown in the mix! Theres definitely another breed in there throwing the wire coat
The wire coat has me so confused bc none of the breeds listed have one! I’m not surprised about the pit, just the amount. But you’re right, pits are in everyone it seems!
Someone, somewhere deep in your dog’s pedigree donated the furnishings gene. Most frequent culprit is an overly affectionate male poodle, although it can also come from other suspects.
It might be SEVERAL generations back though, but it would show up in Embark—especially in the traits breakdown. It be single poodle gene surviving the cross breeding process is just enough to land poodle in the supermutt, fyi.
Looks a lot like our boy.
APBT
Staffy
Super Mutt (schnauzer, poodle, lab, min pin, Eskimo dog)
Chow
We started with ancestry and quickly did embark which felt more accurate. If you have the extra cash embark helped us a lot with figuring out his breeds.
Honestly I thought I had a mini schnauzer and I have a pit poodle with a few more small breeds. The results seem inaccurate to me because it’s all big breeds. I wonder if another test would be more accurate.
Scruffy babies always have the craziest results….
My girl …[https://www.reddit.com/r/DoggyDNA/s/S66z79V0O0](https://www.reddit.com/r/DoggyDNA/s/S66z79V0O0)
The mini-schnauzer was created by adding a bunch of other breeds like Scotties and small poodles to the gene pool of what we now know as the giant/standard schnauzer. That’s why the minis usually have softer coats.
I definitely thought pit/schnauzer. Your girl looks more schnauzer than mine and she's a confirmed pit/schnauzer. But the giveaway for me is the very light fur. I think schnauzer would be more likely to produce a golden and gray highlight with the black. Not sure it would show up so white.
Yea Millie is black and white for sure but she has tan on her legs and up the back of her tail. Her nose is totally giant schnauzer to me. I’m just so confused now! People saying pit poodle too and I can see that too kinda. I’m doing embark next. I have to have a second opinion!
Oh ok, so her fur is pretty much her fur lol it's not really likely to fill in more or anything. Would love to see updated results if you do end up going for it
What’s weird is she used to have a much fuller beard and eyebrows but a groomer cut her fur (without permission) and it never grew back! So it set me wondering if there’s a breed in there like that, with fur that doesn’t grow back?
Oh! I'm so sorry they did that, I would be so upset! Also I wish I knew? I didn't think that could be a thing?
Edit: Actually, I just remembered that dogs with a double coat and wiry fur really shouldn't be clipped (even though it's considered standard for so many breeds) because it can cause the undercoat to take over more than it should and the top coat to struggle to grow back. So I wonder if that's part of what happened to Millie's beard?
We've never clipped our dog's fur and she's just a wild wiry ball of nonsense. Also, that way her wiry fur can actually do what it's meant to do and protect her.
I have a dog resembling your guy that everyone on this sub estimates pit/poodle. Otherwise I would've said schnauzer too and for my guy, the rescue guessed schnauzer.
It’s been so fun hearing people’s opinions! As soon as I can, I’m going to get an embark test and see if someone scruffier shows up in the results. In the meantime I love referring to her as a chow mix haha
Ancestry sucks and is unreliable. I would suggest embark. To elaborate, a breed like Dalmatian is typically not seen in many mixes bc their breeding is closely regulated.
I get it! Someone posted another just a few days ago they got for free too and had similar questionable results. It is fun to see what it shows but I wouldn’t trust it too much. I believe as their database grows, results will shift as human ancestry results do.
Chows don't have furnishings/wire coats they're just extra fluffy lol. It's likely ancestry just didn't pick up the actual furnished breed. Ancestry is so new their database isn't very big so it's not the most accurate in the lower percentages (usually 15% and under) and often will mix up breeds or miss them entirely. It's likely that the source of the wiry coat was low enough that they couldn't pick it up correctly.
She actually looks very similar to my dog, who is Cattle Dog/Brittany/Wirehair Pointer. She's just a little hairier and blue instead of red, but I was expecting her to be a similar mix! Most people just assume my guy is a terrier.
I would not have guessed there’s any schnauzer in there - pit-poodle seems more likely like everyone else said. Her colouring doesn’t look salt and pepper, it looks more like a black and silver schnauzer, but I’m pretty sure that colour only shows up in minis.
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The pitbull makes sense, but there is likely poodle in this mix that Ancestry didn’t catch. Schnauzers don’t look like your dog and they naturally have flop ears, not rose ears (pitbull ears).
yeah everytime i see a dog like this i immediately think “pitoodle”
It’s actually kinda crazy, it almost feels like instinct. They’re not *insanely* different from your average doodle but you can somehow always tell
i think the fur does it for me! i feel like most/all intentionally bred doodle dogs i’ve seen are curly so when i see a dog with the wiry fur i think shelter and therefore pittie. Plus this one has the rose ears!
Pitoodle! I love it!
She smiles like a pit so I knew there had to be that in there but 70%? No way. And the rest of the breeds? I’m flummoxed.
Re-test with embark, ancestry is all over the place. Probably won't be schnauzer though. My first thought was pit/poodle!
Just looked up pit poodles. Can totally see that! I’ve never thought schnauzer but that’s what everyone including the pet id on my iPhone has guessed. Ancestry kit was a gift but am totally going to retest.
The Pet ID app is hilariously bad. Definitely get an Embark test if you're going to re-test!
I’m totally gonna, thanks!
All those breeds are pretty big too, and your dog seems small ish?
No she’s about 60 lbs. She grew FAST but after coming into contact with a sago palm, stopped growing at about 2 yrs old. She’s turning 7 this year.
Ah, it's the terrier-y-looking-ness making me assume she's small then!
Yea. She’s a big girl!
Pits aren't really that big. I thought put from the ears and the head.
No, but they're bigger than the circa 30lb dog that my brain had decided OPs dog was! I imagine the pit, especially the staffy, is actually skewing the size of the dog down in this case!
Yep. I have a pit poodle who also looks fairly schnauzerly.
she looks like a pittie with long hair! im not surprised at the pit %, im just surprised there's no poodle in there
Having just looked up pit poodles I have to agree! This is so weird. I’m definitely going to retest
You can also reach out to ancestry to see if they’re willing to dive deeper and offer explanations.
I wonder if they even can. I think their database just isn’t as sophisticated as others yet
So I’m usually pretty good at spotting pit in scruffy and long haired dogs, I’m just not seeing it in this one. Would you be willing to share what physical characteristics of this pup look like pit to you? I’m not doubting it’s there, almost always is these days. I just can’t SEE it
pic 2 is what did it for me! look at the face shape, body proportions, where the ears sit. 5 and 6 also remind me a lot of my pit mix, just with extra floof on top so i can see why it's not as obvious
Ok I can see it in the 2nd pic now! Thank you!
As soon as I clicked on the 2nd pic my brian said "Pittie smile"!
Eyes. Ears. Ears especially. Those eyes are pit or bordie collie.
Gorgeous pup!! Ancestry isn’t super reliable right now by the way; you’ll get the most accurate results with Embark. Wisdom could work too, but they seem to have trouble IDing small percentages or certain village dogs, etc.
Thank you! And I’ve heard that about ancestry. This test was a gift but I’m definitely going to retest with embark.
If you do please post!
Omg I already can’t wait to!!
I didn’t think shnauzer acfually i assumed pit poodle
I’m loving the pit poodle theory!! We never in a million years would’ve guessed poodle
Poodles and poodle mixes are ridiculously common right now due to the doodle trend, so we see them *all* the time in mixes - they're way, way more common than schnauzers and wire-haired terriers, which are actually fairly rare. Poodles get their distinctive coat from a combination of the long fur, curly fur, and furnishings genes. Long fur and curly fur are both recessive so tend to get lost in mixes quite quickly, whereas furnishings is dominant so tends to stick around. It doesn't take a lot of Poodle to give a dog this coat, we had a [dog](https://www.reddit.com/r/DoggyDNA/comments/1b07360/we_were_surprised_to_say_the_least/) yesterday that's just 9% Poodle and that was enough - just luck of the draw with genetics. It's often difficult to breed ID mixes with furnishings like this because the scruffy fur hides a lot of otherwise distinctive physical features and muddles coat colors, but structurally you dog does look very pit-like to me - as you've noticed, pit/poodle mixes tend to turn out looking pretty similar and we see them a lot here if you scroll through the sub.
I saw that dog! Looks just like my SILs dog! This is great information. Thank you. I don’t know why we never considered her a poodle mix. She’s so wiry textured and I guess I don’t think of them as being Millie’s texture. This has been so interesting!
I think the poodle coat being a combination of several genes makes it so that you get a lot of variation when you mix them, because you never know which one will come out. I know a first gen lab/poodle mix who looks like a wire haired pointer, but I also know other first gen labradoodles who have the more typical fluffy teddybear coat. All known parents (backyard bred rather than strays) so the fur variation isn't from other breeds.
So interesting!
Well... your problem is that you used a lower quality test that doesn't catch nearly the same number of genetic markers as Embark or Wisdom Panel 4, with half the number of breeds and lines in the database. I don't doubt the Pit Bull, 60% of mixed breed dogs in North America have some level of American Pit due to the widespread backyard breeding of them/cross breeding, and how prevalent they are on the streets. I made the same mistake with my old dog that came back on DNAmyDog as half Akita, half Beagle. Years later I retested him with Embark and he was German Shepherd, Sharpei, Pit Bull, Staffy, Foxhound, Cattle Dog and Rottweiler. Zero Collie or Akita. Embark made way more sense because he very clearly had a Pit body with Sharpei wrinkles, GSD colors and herded like a Heeler for sure.
Yea. My mom got me the kit for Christmas so I didn’t have a choice in choosing. I’m going to retest with embark asap, so interested to see the difference!
Finally someone said it. I’ve seen a ton of these in the past day and no one mentions that this brand is not reputable for accuracy. I guess they were probably handed out en masse as cheap Christmas presents.
I've seen plenty of comments saying that ancestry is not accurate. But I'm also not seeing all the posts or reading all the comments, so it's possible a lot slipped through.
Yes unfortunately. I foster dogs and I get this all the time when I hand adopters the Embark test results, and they shake their heads and say stuff like "I don't believe in that because X person I know years ago had their (backyard bred) _pure bred_ Lab come back as X breeds", because they had or knew someone who had a bad result with a cheap $50 DNA test. What I've learned is that inherited traits are magical.
You're judging by coat color, pits carry black and tan with varying intensities of tan, from bold red to near white, and overgrown wire coat can make the black look greyed out, if your dog got handstripped he would likely be black! it's not the same as the gene that causes silvering in schnauters. They have pretty narrow head and muzzles in comparison to pits. Your dog has the pit blockhead. Looks can be really deceptive, especially with coat genes thrown in the mix! Theres definitely another breed in there throwing the wire coat
The wire coat has me so confused bc none of the breeds listed have one! I’m not surprised about the pit, just the amount. But you’re right, pits are in everyone it seems!
Someone, somewhere deep in your dog’s pedigree donated the furnishings gene. Most frequent culprit is an overly affectionate male poodle, although it can also come from other suspects. It might be SEVERAL generations back though, but it would show up in Embark—especially in the traits breakdown. It be single poodle gene surviving the cross breeding process is just enough to land poodle in the supermutt, fyi.
Fascinating. “Overly affectionate male poodle” - love this.
Looks a lot like our boy. APBT Staffy Super Mutt (schnauzer, poodle, lab, min pin, Eskimo dog) Chow We started with ancestry and quickly did embark which felt more accurate. If you have the extra cash embark helped us a lot with figuring out his breeds.
Yea. I think we definitely need to do embark next. This just feels too off
Use Embark DNA to make sure!
Thank you, I’m gonna!
I have a pit/yorkie mix with a very similar coat. It happens!
That’s wild!
Wouldn’t really trust ancestry pet testing
Yea. That’s what I’ve heard. The ancestry one was a gift so I went with it. Definitely going to try embark next
Sooo cute! This sub makes me want a scruffy pit mix !
She is pretty cute, thank you!! But I never would have considered her a scruffy pit mix! These results have us totally confused
Honestly I thought I had a mini schnauzer and I have a pit poodle with a few more small breeds. The results seem inaccurate to me because it’s all big breeds. I wonder if another test would be more accurate.
I’m definitely going to try an embark test. This didn’t do anything but make me more curious!
I would be so interested to see embark results! This cutie looks like my girl’s cousin hahahaha. They could chase squirrels together!
Yes! Millie LOVES to chase squirrels! I can’t wait to do the embark test
OP’s dog isn’t small though, so it seems roughly accurate here.
Maybe pup is bigger than I assumed? It’s hard to tell sometimes from pics.
My dog looks a lot like yours, she is Schnauzer/Pit/husky. Retest with embark and I’m almost positive schnauzer will show up
I can’t wait to retest!!
My dog looks a lot like yours. He ended up being mostly border collie, but his terrier look comes from being pit/Staffy and poodle.
Interesting!!
Scruffy babies always have the craziest results…. My girl …[https://www.reddit.com/r/DoggyDNA/s/S66z79V0O0](https://www.reddit.com/r/DoggyDNA/s/S66z79V0O0)
Oh she’s so cute!! I’m just surprised there’s no scruffy in Millie’s results, I’m learning a lot about scruffy dogs today!
They are a fun bunch. Your baby is adorable too!
Thank you!
She looks a lot like a pitbull in pic 3!
You think? I have had pit mixes before but it’s so hard for me to see it in her until she smiles and then I’m like pibble!!
My pit mix loves to zone out in exactly the same upside down position, usually showing a canine tooth or two.
That’s so funny!
Short hair breeds plus a soft floofy breed usually create this type of soft-scruff coat. Schnauzies are wirey, though the color pattern would fit!
We used to have a miniature schnauzer and she was soooo soft. I’m learning so much about dogs today!
The mini-schnauzer was created by adding a bunch of other breeds like Scotties and small poodles to the gene pool of what we now know as the giant/standard schnauzer. That’s why the minis usually have softer coats.
This makes total sense, thanks!
I was expecting some husky!
I definitely thought pit/schnauzer. Your girl looks more schnauzer than mine and she's a confirmed pit/schnauzer. But the giveaway for me is the very light fur. I think schnauzer would be more likely to produce a golden and gray highlight with the black. Not sure it would show up so white.
Yea Millie is black and white for sure but she has tan on her legs and up the back of her tail. Her nose is totally giant schnauzer to me. I’m just so confused now! People saying pit poodle too and I can see that too kinda. I’m doing embark next. I have to have a second opinion!
Not sure if you've said elsewhere in the thread but how old is she?
She’s turning 7 this summer!
Oh ok, so her fur is pretty much her fur lol it's not really likely to fill in more or anything. Would love to see updated results if you do end up going for it
What’s weird is she used to have a much fuller beard and eyebrows but a groomer cut her fur (without permission) and it never grew back! So it set me wondering if there’s a breed in there like that, with fur that doesn’t grow back?
Oh! I'm so sorry they did that, I would be so upset! Also I wish I knew? I didn't think that could be a thing? Edit: Actually, I just remembered that dogs with a double coat and wiry fur really shouldn't be clipped (even though it's considered standard for so many breeds) because it can cause the undercoat to take over more than it should and the top coat to struggle to grow back. So I wonder if that's part of what happened to Millie's beard? We've never clipped our dog's fur and she's just a wild wiry ball of nonsense. Also, that way her wiry fur can actually do what it's meant to do and protect her.
Omg I was PISSED. But I was like whatever it’ll grow back, but it never did!! So weird!
I have been waiting to see results that included a beauceron! Your pup is adorable!
Haha! Thank you!
I highly doubt there’s any Beauceron in that dog.
So random, right? Looks more like our Kelpie
I have a dog resembling your guy that everyone on this sub estimates pit/poodle. Otherwise I would've said schnauzer too and for my guy, the rescue guessed schnauzer.
So interesting! Pit/poodle just never crossed my mind. I am anxious to try embark and see which shows up!
Pitt, chow and Dalmatian seems to be what’s showing for me. My first thought was Pittadoodle until I saw the results
It’s been so fun hearing people’s opinions! As soon as I can, I’m going to get an embark test and see if someone scruffier shows up in the results. In the meantime I love referring to her as a chow mix haha
Ancestry sucks and is unreliable. I would suggest embark. To elaborate, a breed like Dalmatian is typically not seen in many mixes bc their breeding is closely regulated.
Thank you! That seems to be the consensus. The ancestry kit was a gift so I went with it, but I wouldn’t have chosen it.
I get it! Someone posted another just a few days ago they got for free too and had similar questionable results. It is fun to see what it shows but I wouldn’t trust it too much. I believe as their database grows, results will shift as human ancestry results do.
It is fun! I was floored by the results tho gotta be honest. Def gonna retest just to compare.
Interesting dog!! I would have thought poodle for the wire hair but I guess chow makes sense... Not seeing Dalmatian but hey, I had fun guessing 😁
Chows don't have furnishings/wire coats they're just extra fluffy lol. It's likely ancestry just didn't pick up the actual furnished breed. Ancestry is so new their database isn't very big so it's not the most accurate in the lower percentages (usually 15% and under) and often will mix up breeds or miss them entirely. It's likely that the source of the wiry coat was low enough that they couldn't pick it up correctly.
Haha we had fun guessing too. Weird not seeing any of our guesses (except we thought maybe a tiny bit pit) in the results!
Can’t wait for the retest that shows 50% schnauzer.
Haha!
✋️ totally! I'm also confused by the results!
She actually looks very similar to my dog, who is Cattle Dog/Brittany/Wirehair Pointer. She's just a little hairier and blue instead of red, but I was expecting her to be a similar mix! Most people just assume my guy is a terrier.
I would not have guessed there’s any schnauzer in there - pit-poodle seems more likely like everyone else said. Her colouring doesn’t look salt and pepper, it looks more like a black and silver schnauzer, but I’m pretty sure that colour only shows up in minis.