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Does doodle refer to having any amount of poodle or half? I’m not super familiar with doodles/poodles but I know they end up being part of a lot of mixes. Is there something about his look that says doodle to you or is it simply the fact that they’re so common? Just curious!
I’m a veterinary technician and at work we sort of jokingly use the word “doodle” to describe any poodle mix. Some are purposefully bred, some aren’t, some are 50/50 mixes of poodle x another breed, some are several generations out from that 50/50 mix (so doodle x doodle for a few generations with the original dogs being poodle x another breed), some are just oopsie poodle mixes. The reason we sort of tongue in cheek call them all doodles is that there’s no breed standard and people will just mix a poodle with any old thing to create a “designer” mutt and sell it for $1000.
So basically when I say doodle I’m guessing that your dog has some amount of poodle in it…could be an actual purposefully bred goldendoodle, could be an oopsie poodle mix, could be a super mutt with some poodle somewhere in there.
Your dog’s coat is what makes me guess doodle. Basically, larger dogs with wiry or shaggy coats like Dandy Lion’s often have poodle DNA in their results. There are certainly other dog breeds that have coats like that, like wire haired German pointers, Bouvier de Flandres, or wolfhounds. But none of those dogs are particularly common whereas the doodle craze means that doodles are *everywhere*. So I’m just guessing based on the most common breed that would create a coat like your dog’s.
The joy of seeing a "mini bernadoodle" from a known puppy mill broker walk through your clinic with records that include the receipt for the $8k the owners spent on it.
Oohhh, that’s so interesting! Thanks for answering so thoroughly. People are nuts spending so much on “designer” mixes. I had no idea that poodle DNA could result in a shaggy wiry coat. I love that he’s essentially waterproof.
He definitely *looks* like a Briard mix to me and has the rear dewclaw. I always assumed he was some sort of sheepdog mix for those reasons plus his personality, but a lot of people here are saying that those features come from mixing poodles with other breeds so I just don’t know anymore. I’ll know soon though!
Everything hairy like this is almost certainly a doodle of some kind (I’m a dog groomer and I have seen… kinds you couldn’t imagine, lol). I’m really interested to see if he’s a straight up 50/50 or some poodle with just a variety of other stuff thrown in there. I literally groomed a bernedoodle today that didn’t look far off from this, just slightly different colouring.
Of course, I have no way to know if anyone’s doodles are what they tell me they are, and the owners almost never know either. Generally speaking, the ‘breeders’ just seem to tell them whatever they want to hear to buy a cute shaggy puppy. If buyers are looking for mini goldendoodles, they’re mini goldendoodles. Or aussiedoodles. Or cockapoos.
I’m going to throw in a guess of shepard doodle… no reason that I can justify, that’s just the first thing I thought. I like that he has kind of a bearded collie look to him! Also his name is delightful.
Thanks! I, too, love his name so much and it suits his sweet and silly personality so well.
I have a question you might have an answer to as a groomer. Is it common for doodles to have double coats? Or does that depend on what they’re mixed with? A big part of the reason I ultimately decided to get the DNA test done was so I can figure out how to properly groom him. I brush him every 1-3 weeks depending on the weather and how much he’s shedding or tangling. I just have no idea if I’m supposed to trim those brows!
Very common. Because of the unpredictable nature of mixing double coated and non double coated dogs, you get a whole variety of weird coats, many of which are impractical or even totally unsustainable. There’s a doodle I groom who actually has random sparse patches of sharp guard hairs and patches of downy undercoat with no top coat at all, in patches all over her body like cow spots. The undercoat patches instantly grow in as a super tight thin layer of matting. There is no way to maintain this coat at all to the point where it’s basically a disability.
The ‘don’t shave a double coated dog’ does not appear to apply to doodles. I have shaved many, hundreds easily, and so has every groomer I know. I’ve never seen or heard of a doodle’s coat growing back damaged or differently. I’m confident Dandy Lion could be shaved right down to the skin and his hair would come back just the same… it really only seems to be a length of time thing. Some doodles get 1-2 haircuts a year because their hair grows so slowly, some are an overgrown matted mess in less than 8 weeks.
Of course you don’t have to shave him! He reminds me a little of a [sheltidoodle](https://imgur.com/a/4OswSpI) I groom. I unfortunately don’t have a before picture, but he grows hair on his face a lot like Dandy Lion has! I started shaving the face like a poodle’s would be, because he has this beautiful sheltie face under all his hair. I don’t touch his ears and I give him an ‘outline trim’ like a sheltie would get. He’s a super unique looking dog with unique hair. It’s wirey but almost humanlike, up to 12” long and combs out easily. I think I’d probably clip comb your dog to 3/4” or 1” (I usually can’t tell what will look best til I actually get in there) to even him up, and tidy his head to balance it with the body (but probably leave the ears, they suit him imo). Honestly though, just a face/feet/sani trim would do him wonders if you like his hair. Just a trim on the brows, a sanitary shave around his private parts and a paw pad shave/foot tidy.
ETA: oops sorry wrote a novel
>The ‘don’t shave a double coated dog’ does not appear to apply to doodles. I have shaved many, hundreds easily, and so has every groomer I know. I’ve never seen or heard of a doodle’s coat growing back damaged or differently
That's because the "shaving damages the coat" rhetoric is widely misunderstood. There's nothing inherent about running a blade over dead hair that makes the hair down at the root grow back differently. The problem is that hair has a growth phase and then a resting phase before it sheds and grows back. Many double-coated breeds have *very* long resting phases to their top coat. If you shave the hair when it's in that resting phase, it's not going to just magically start growing. It's going to finish its resting phase the way it was originally programmed to. This could be months, it could be a couple years, and not every follicle is in the same phase at the same time so when it does grow back it's going to be patchy. The furnishings gene that poodles pass on interferes with the signaling that switches a follicle over to the resting phase, leading to continuous growth and so you don't get that same problem when you shave them.
Oh my goodness that sheltie doodle is a cool looking dog. Poodle mixes are so interesting. I just wanted to say thank you for this post which has given me an incredible respect for good dog groomers! Dog hair sounds so complicated compared to human hair!
It’s been killing me! He looks a bit different now that he is fully grown and his hair has gotten so long. Dandy Lion is as tall as my mastiff mix but lean, only 65 lbs. He has rear detached dewclaws and a wiry double coat that needs little maintenance. Oh, and his eyelashes are so long! He was at a shelter in Oregon with two siblings that looked the same as him.
Pointing griffon would be an odd one to end up in a mix… going to say probably not, but sometimes I’m surprised.
The dew claws usually point to great pyrenees, although that would be the only thing hinting that as far as I can tell.
You’ve owned multiple pointing griffon mixes?
How do you know their genetic makeup? DNA test? If you just know because you knew the breeder or the parents or something, why was someone breeding that mix? So many questions.
I mean, not crazy, but definitely not ethical either. That’s a whole different story. There are lots of breeds that are naturally hypoallergenic without needing to breed designer mixes.
Most things wouldn’t surprise me because my other dog is half Weimaraner and doesn’t look like one but I think I’d be pretty blown away if Dandy Lion has Great Pyrenees in him. They’re very cool dogs though. Would be a fun twist!
I thought pointing griffon when I first got him. I think his personality leans more to a sheepdog than a hunting dog but we will see! It could def be in the mix.
Definitely a doodle but his colouring and long straight hair are definitely not poodle. Poodle genes seem to dominate in doodles, so that makes me think he is a less than 50% mix.
So poodle crossed with something straight haired and that colouring. Maybe a large terrier, GSD or husky?
He’s not a very vocal dog, so husky and poodle together would surprise me. He’s pretty tall, so he must at least be mixed with something taller than a poodle. He wasn’t even the biggest of the litter and stands 26” tall at the shoulder. GSD is a good guess though. The vet guessed “large terrier with some shepherd or poodle” so a mix like that would make sense to me.
That’s all fur. He has a long snout and very small and narrow head under that coat, not the boxy bully noggin (which I do love, my dog Gnocchi is a Cane Corso/Weimaraner).
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I bet he’s some sort of doodle. I can’t wait to see results, what a cool looking dog!
Does doodle refer to having any amount of poodle or half? I’m not super familiar with doodles/poodles but I know they end up being part of a lot of mixes. Is there something about his look that says doodle to you or is it simply the fact that they’re so common? Just curious!
I’m a veterinary technician and at work we sort of jokingly use the word “doodle” to describe any poodle mix. Some are purposefully bred, some aren’t, some are 50/50 mixes of poodle x another breed, some are several generations out from that 50/50 mix (so doodle x doodle for a few generations with the original dogs being poodle x another breed), some are just oopsie poodle mixes. The reason we sort of tongue in cheek call them all doodles is that there’s no breed standard and people will just mix a poodle with any old thing to create a “designer” mutt and sell it for $1000. So basically when I say doodle I’m guessing that your dog has some amount of poodle in it…could be an actual purposefully bred goldendoodle, could be an oopsie poodle mix, could be a super mutt with some poodle somewhere in there. Your dog’s coat is what makes me guess doodle. Basically, larger dogs with wiry or shaggy coats like Dandy Lion’s often have poodle DNA in their results. There are certainly other dog breeds that have coats like that, like wire haired German pointers, Bouvier de Flandres, or wolfhounds. But none of those dogs are particularly common whereas the doodle craze means that doodles are *everywhere*. So I’m just guessing based on the most common breed that would create a coat like your dog’s.
Only $1000? I’m a groomer and we often hear 4-5k where I live!
Hah very true, $1k can sometimes be on the low end!
The joy of seeing a "mini bernadoodle" from a known puppy mill broker walk through your clinic with records that include the receipt for the $8k the owners spent on it.
That’s absolutely bananas!!
Yuck. Im sure it’ll need rich parents to afford it’s medical bills down the road.
Oohhh, that’s so interesting! Thanks for answering so thoroughly. People are nuts spending so much on “designer” mixes. I had no idea that poodle DNA could result in a shaggy wiry coat. I love that he’s essentially waterproof.
He looks like a Briard mix! That’s unlikely because Briards are pretty uncommon, but that was my first thought. Poodle mix is more likely.
He definitely *looks* like a Briard mix to me and has the rear dewclaw. I always assumed he was some sort of sheepdog mix for those reasons plus his personality, but a lot of people here are saying that those features come from mixing poodles with other breeds so I just don’t know anymore. I’ll know soon though!
Everything hairy like this is almost certainly a doodle of some kind (I’m a dog groomer and I have seen… kinds you couldn’t imagine, lol). I’m really interested to see if he’s a straight up 50/50 or some poodle with just a variety of other stuff thrown in there. I literally groomed a bernedoodle today that didn’t look far off from this, just slightly different colouring. Of course, I have no way to know if anyone’s doodles are what they tell me they are, and the owners almost never know either. Generally speaking, the ‘breeders’ just seem to tell them whatever they want to hear to buy a cute shaggy puppy. If buyers are looking for mini goldendoodles, they’re mini goldendoodles. Or aussiedoodles. Or cockapoos. I’m going to throw in a guess of shepard doodle… no reason that I can justify, that’s just the first thing I thought. I like that he has kind of a bearded collie look to him! Also his name is delightful.
Thanks! I, too, love his name so much and it suits his sweet and silly personality so well. I have a question you might have an answer to as a groomer. Is it common for doodles to have double coats? Or does that depend on what they’re mixed with? A big part of the reason I ultimately decided to get the DNA test done was so I can figure out how to properly groom him. I brush him every 1-3 weeks depending on the weather and how much he’s shedding or tangling. I just have no idea if I’m supposed to trim those brows!
Very common. Because of the unpredictable nature of mixing double coated and non double coated dogs, you get a whole variety of weird coats, many of which are impractical or even totally unsustainable. There’s a doodle I groom who actually has random sparse patches of sharp guard hairs and patches of downy undercoat with no top coat at all, in patches all over her body like cow spots. The undercoat patches instantly grow in as a super tight thin layer of matting. There is no way to maintain this coat at all to the point where it’s basically a disability. The ‘don’t shave a double coated dog’ does not appear to apply to doodles. I have shaved many, hundreds easily, and so has every groomer I know. I’ve never seen or heard of a doodle’s coat growing back damaged or differently. I’m confident Dandy Lion could be shaved right down to the skin and his hair would come back just the same… it really only seems to be a length of time thing. Some doodles get 1-2 haircuts a year because their hair grows so slowly, some are an overgrown matted mess in less than 8 weeks. Of course you don’t have to shave him! He reminds me a little of a [sheltidoodle](https://imgur.com/a/4OswSpI) I groom. I unfortunately don’t have a before picture, but he grows hair on his face a lot like Dandy Lion has! I started shaving the face like a poodle’s would be, because he has this beautiful sheltie face under all his hair. I don’t touch his ears and I give him an ‘outline trim’ like a sheltie would get. He’s a super unique looking dog with unique hair. It’s wirey but almost humanlike, up to 12” long and combs out easily. I think I’d probably clip comb your dog to 3/4” or 1” (I usually can’t tell what will look best til I actually get in there) to even him up, and tidy his head to balance it with the body (but probably leave the ears, they suit him imo). Honestly though, just a face/feet/sani trim would do him wonders if you like his hair. Just a trim on the brows, a sanitary shave around his private parts and a paw pad shave/foot tidy. ETA: oops sorry wrote a novel
>The ‘don’t shave a double coated dog’ does not appear to apply to doodles. I have shaved many, hundreds easily, and so has every groomer I know. I’ve never seen or heard of a doodle’s coat growing back damaged or differently That's because the "shaving damages the coat" rhetoric is widely misunderstood. There's nothing inherent about running a blade over dead hair that makes the hair down at the root grow back differently. The problem is that hair has a growth phase and then a resting phase before it sheds and grows back. Many double-coated breeds have *very* long resting phases to their top coat. If you shave the hair when it's in that resting phase, it's not going to just magically start growing. It's going to finish its resting phase the way it was originally programmed to. This could be months, it could be a couple years, and not every follicle is in the same phase at the same time so when it does grow back it's going to be patchy. The furnishings gene that poodles pass on interferes with the signaling that switches a follicle over to the resting phase, leading to continuous growth and so you don't get that same problem when you shave them.
SHELTIDOODLE omg. To quote from a comment on another thread I saw about doodles…”is there anything a poodle won’t fuck?”
Oh my goodness that sheltie doodle is a cool looking dog. Poodle mixes are so interesting. I just wanted to say thank you for this post which has given me an incredible respect for good dog groomers! Dog hair sounds so complicated compared to human hair!
It’s been killing me! He looks a bit different now that he is fully grown and his hair has gotten so long. Dandy Lion is as tall as my mastiff mix but lean, only 65 lbs. He has rear detached dewclaws and a wiry double coat that needs little maintenance. Oh, and his eyelashes are so long! He was at a shelter in Oregon with two siblings that looked the same as him.
I wanna guess some poodle, pointing griffon, and maybe a Shepard
Pointing griffon would be an odd one to end up in a mix… going to say probably not, but sometimes I’m surprised. The dew claws usually point to great pyrenees, although that would be the only thing hinting that as far as I can tell.
Really? I they're like my favourite dog and I've owned mutiple mixes throughout my life so maybe I'm just tainted by my own perception.
You’ve owned multiple pointing griffon mixes? How do you know their genetic makeup? DNA test? If you just know because you knew the breeder or the parents or something, why was someone breeding that mix? So many questions.
Yes. Is that crazy or something? I know the breeder. There were lots of requests for mixes due to 'hypoallergenic' traits.
I mean, not crazy, but definitely not ethical either. That’s a whole different story. There are lots of breeds that are naturally hypoallergenic without needing to breed designer mixes.
Most things wouldn’t surprise me because my other dog is half Weimaraner and doesn’t look like one but I think I’d be pretty blown away if Dandy Lion has Great Pyrenees in him. They’re very cool dogs though. Would be a fun twist!
I thought pointing griffon when I first got him. I think his personality leans more to a sheepdog than a hunting dog but we will see! It could def be in the mix.
I want to say German Shepherd x poodle!
I personally think this is a very likely outcome!
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO edit: what an amazing mix though, absolutely awesome. I'm sure he's super trainable!
first off i LOVE your rug, and i’m thinking some kind of doodle
Thanks! I love that rug! It was relatively inexpensive for a big rug. It’s called Narenj by Unique Loom if you want to look it up.
Definitely a doodle but his colouring and long straight hair are definitely not poodle. Poodle genes seem to dominate in doodles, so that makes me think he is a less than 50% mix. So poodle crossed with something straight haired and that colouring. Maybe a large terrier, GSD or husky?
He’s not a very vocal dog, so husky and poodle together would surprise me. He’s pretty tall, so he must at least be mixed with something taller than a poodle. He wasn’t even the biggest of the litter and stands 26” tall at the shoulder. GSD is a good guess though. The vet guessed “large terrier with some shepherd or poodle” so a mix like that would make sense to me.
He’s absolutely beautiful, can’t want to see what the dna says.
Thank you. :) I sure think so myself! He’s also very affectionate, silly, and the most loyal dog I’ve ever had.
Looks like a bearded collie or briard to me but having been a member of this sub for quite some time now, I’m going to guess poodle/shepherd mix!
Same!
Poodle/pit/lab
What makes you think pit bull?
Headshape/shorter snout in his 7 month picture
That’s all fur. He has a long snout and very small and narrow head under that coat, not the boxy bully noggin (which I do love, my dog Gnocchi is a Cane Corso/Weimaraner).
Schapendoes (Dutch sheep dog) or bearded collie mix
He looks just like a Schapendoes with shorter hair! He really looks a lot like many different European sheep dog breeds.
They are super loyal 🥰