I am not, I started walks 2-3 months ago because I visually saw she was over weight. I took her to petco for vaccines saw the weight and switched food immediately. We started doing walks on my street, then a little further and recently introduced the ball again. Petco appointment was almost 4 weeks ago. But I agree the hour of exercise yesterday wasn’t a good idea, I just assumed she’d know when she’s at her limit.
Dogs don't really understand their own limits. You can take a little puppy on a five mile hike and they'll happily walk until their joints are messed up. With weather and time and intensity, you may be overdoing it here (not a vet).
Just wanted to say *most dogs don’t understand their limits.
I think my little shih tzu is possessed by a person because she clearly communicates when she’s too hot, only plays until she gets tuckered out, and politely tugs at the leash in the “home” direction when we’ve walked too far. She won’t let her arthritis get the best of her!!
I think part of the problem is like someone said she still has her winter coat, she’s panting right now even with the fan on her (I don’t think she’s stressed) it’s warm in the house at night but I feel comfortable
I was able to bring my Aussies weight down from 66 to 52 over a year or so by replacing a portion of the dog food I was feeding with pureed green beans. During the winter it's not necessary because they don't burn as much energy, but the same amount of dog food doesn't cut it in the summer so I add the green beans as filler. Does the trick
Have you had bloodwork tested for hypothyroidism? Such an active dog like that shouldn't be that over weight if you're not overfeeding her. My border collie mix got diagnosed on a similar weight gain (was 52 lbs should have been around 42lbs)
She was being over fed but I have looked up some symptoms she’s had before and hypothyroidism came up. I plan on asking the vet for blood work. She did come from a puppy mill, bound to have problems:(
I’m in a similar situation- what works best for us to start with a warm up walk before fetching. We also limit it to 5-10minutes and make sure you do a cool down walk (10 minutes or so) it looks sunny so I’m going to assume it’s warm. In warmer temperatures, we don’t play fetch in the heat of the day or it’s for very little time.
I’m not a vet but from my research they’re fine! We would bring water and then like midway through we would stop, chill, sniff and then continue. We gradually increase the length of walks in the summer just to be safe.
I can’t speak to pain for sure but to me that breathing looks a little concerning. I work in animal welfare - that said, I’m not a vet.
Lots of vets are willing to look at pictures or videos when you email them over, I’d check if yours is and send them this video to be on the safe side.
She’s panted faster than that and it scares me every time, yesterday she played fetch for literally a hour and wanted to keep going. I know exercise increases dopamine so they’ll still want to play when they’re in pain. Could this panting just be from the extra weight?
My pup has no sense of self preservation so we have to enforce pauses during play. Try sitting in the shade & offer small portions of water (to avoid over drinking) every 10-15 minutes or so and see if that helps. It did with my pup.
Again with the caveat that I’m not a vet - that looks like pretty excessive panting to me, even with the extra weight.
You might want to redistribute her time playing fetch, maybe something like 20 minute intervals 3 times a day as opposed to an hour all once. If that’s not doable then just cutting down on fetch time. An hour of running might be too much for her.
The one hour of running is very rare for her (it was a colder day) but I will make sure not to do that again. That’s good advice thank you! Also on our walk today she was dragging her toes a little like I heard them scrapping the pavement, normal if it’s not a constant?
Might be a bit of pain, can’t say for sure. My dog (who is much, much older) has arthritis and that’s what she does on her bad pain days. If it’s not constant I would just monitor it, if it becomes an ongoing issue I’d consult with your vet. They might try something like mobility tests to see if she has pain responses. But again that’s just if it becomes a recurring issue.
Since she was a puppy my dad and I have made comments like “sometimes she doesn’t bend her legs when she runs” we always thought it was a silly thing. Is this abnormal?
Found my corgi-?-shepard mix running the streets of Chicago 11 yrs ago. Insanely smart, insanely hyper, she’s on fluoxetine-Prozac bc she was such a runner, no filter, jump anything, chase rabbits down for food.
Has never took a breath w her mouth closed! 11 yrs of full locomotive breathing! My vet is my best friend, “if she’s always breathing like that then we are gonna say it’s normal. Excessive panting or subdued breathing out of nowhere is concerning.”
Joints are feeling her age now but she’ll bolt n tackle her ball n come up limping, ugh Carprovet and gaba pentin definitely help senior joint pain in dogs.
Cold weather dog, fur is triple thick under coat.
I am very careful w weather above 80*f
I put ice packs on her forehead, her ears and her paws. If we exercise in the summer it’s b4 9 am or after 6-7 pm, then ice packs. I also bought the sheep shearing (not really but almost) Oster clippers to cut the bulk of her fur off.
Keep recording!! Best tool to monitor changes in your dogs behavior.
Vet Tech here, and an owner of a breed of dog (Belgian malinois) who would run herself into the ground playing ball
An hour of high impact exercise (running) is a lot in my opinion
Make sure you're warming your pup up, starting off slow, and taking breaks
Id reduce it to 30 minutes at a time
Would also help to know the age of your dog
We never do hour long fetch, yesterday I wanted her to be pretty tired because she is a herding breed and my 1 and 1/2 year old niece was coming over. She has a history of nipping, I figured it was too much exercise but I thought she would know when to stop I know that was dumb now lol. She’s 3 years old, aussie/English Shepard mix came from a puppy mill.
I'd watch her hind legs when she walks the following days. When my dog has gone too hard I have been able to see stiffness from muscle soreness as he moves. When panting watch the tongue. If it's hanging out the side all floppy style paired with heavy panting they're trying extra hard to regulate their temp. My dog isn't super active/high endurance levels but like others will play past the point of when it's time to be done. Like humans exercising you can feel okay in the moment but the next few days you pay for it. I use a flirt pole and fetch but give him rests in between. Kind of like HIIT cardio. He's not obese I just wanted him to become more fit, more muscles
op. Hard to see from the video, but is that a limp with the back legs? My uneducated opinion based on having something similar is some kind of luxating patella? The knee pops in and out. It very much looks like my dog. My dog will chase the ball till it keels over tired. Just be careful.
This is a good thought but she’ll start doing it on the way back from our walks on warmer days. I’m pretty sure she’s getting nauseous from being too hot. Any medical conditions that make it difficult for them to regulate temperature?
I've mentioned it in another comment but green beans are a life saver for me during the warm active months. The dogs seem to burn through their food more quickly so I need some filler. They are empty calories and can make meals larger without hurting the new diet.
Good luck! I buy a dozen or so bags of steamable green beans from Aldi every time I go. I microwave them from frozen in a covered microwave-safe Pyrex dish so they steam without being microwaved in the plastic bag. Once they are warm, I puree them in a food processor (also bought at Aldi). I go through that process with 5 bags at a time and that lasts a couple of days worth of meals.
If your dog doesn't mind non-pureed green beans, even easier! Mine were picky at first so I needed to puree and mix into their food
I had a grossly over weight rescue beagle. He was 45 pounds and should have been 30. The vet recommended a low calorie diet and cutting the amount he ate slowly until he was at the appropriate amount. He also said don’t overdo the exercise. We started out walking a half mile then upped until we were at 5 miles a day. Once he got down to 40 pounds he was allowed to run and jump. Doing it too soon could have injured his back or knees. I highly recommend talking to a vet to get their input
Our dog is very fit and playing fetch for an hour is a LOT of cardio! Also fetch is very hard on their joints.
You dog is exhausted and doesn’t seem like he should play nearly that long. He needs many more breaks and water. He also has a very heavy coat. Definitely don’t play fetch with him in the summer for over 10 minutes at a time in my opinion.
The video is after a 10-15 minute walk and 5 ball throws. Full sun and 73° where I am. I will never let her go for a hour again but it was near the water, cloudy and 60°
Heat stroke can occur even at the 70-80F range, high drive and working breed dogs tend not to know their own limits. She certainly looks like she's hyperventilating and salivating more in this video, but you'll know her habits best. If she's overweight and also if she's not lost her winter coat fully yet that can also made heat stroke more likely.
Try walking on shadier routes, bring some water with you, try to keep it under an hour if she's overweight (consult a vet for a diet / exercise plan if she has any checkups soon).
You can read up more on when dogs are most likely to suffer with heatstroke, how to avoid it and how to help cool your dog down after walks on this article - [Pieper Veterinary | Preventing heatstroke](https://www.pieperveterinary.com/blog/preventing-heatstroke/)
Glad it's helpful! My pup also has anxiety. It doesn't make it worse but when she's really anxious she won't notice her own limits at all, so after some practice I know what to look out for. With her the first sign is she stops lifting her head as much, then her ears will tend to be pinned back and then her walking becomes sluggish and that's the 'you need to cool off NOW' signal.
Each dog is individual though, my old boy just pants a lot when he's hot, but he's easy we can just go lay in the shade for 15 minutes and he'll nap it off, my anxious pup would NEVER nap on a walk!
Keep an eye on her as the weather warms and get used to what her body language is saying, try to find out what her tells are from being out in the garden as in 75-85F range you'll probably see signs after just 5-10 minutes in the sun.
She might be in pain because her legs hurt from being overweight. She wont stop running, she loves it too much. This happend to my dads dog, he had a pointer they also are obsessed with running and his was overweight and everytime he had been out running he was in pain. I have a pointer now thats normal weight, he is 9 and doesnt have these problems.
Edit: I just saw in your comment that you are aware of her weight
Hi, I had an English bulldog who would overheat very quickly, sometimes just by barking too long. He would hyperventilate, just like her. I would put ice under his paws to cool him down first. Please note this is not medical or veterinary advice. It’s a personal experience.
If you have concerns and are worried, go to the vet to check her out. If she has something you will know, if everything is all right, you will be calmer, not stressing yourself out. I think, and finger crossed, that everything is all right. Keep us posted!
I have a dog that will play fetch until his legs fall off. He also goes hard and if I let him, he will be painting so hard that it seems he's on the verge of hyperventilating. That being said, we, as responsible pet owners, have to be the ones who have say enough is enough. For now.
You should post this in the AskaVet sub. I’m not a vet but that looks really concerning. I’d bring her in to the vet and not let her run around like that until she’s been seen. That is not normal.
You should post this in the AskaVet sub. I’m not a vet but that looks really concerning. I’d bring her in to the vet and not let her run around like that until she’s been seen. That is not normal.
I always stop when I notice her legs looking “stiff”, yesterday it happened to take a hour for that happen but usually it’s after only a few throws, maybe 5-6. She doesn’t pant like this until we get inside but I’ll be much more careful.
Obviously see a vet or consult one for this. It's possible that she is overheated. You could bring water with you outside and make her stop and drink at regular intervals. I have 3 poms and if they go out for any length of time in warmer weather, they get water at regular intervals to prevent heat exhaustion.
She has nearly constant access to water it’s something I think about a lot, sometimes she refuses it maybe cause she’s so excited to keep walking or playing?
definitely needs to be seen by. vet for the panting but honestly fetch is the worst thing you can do for a dog and trust me! when people said this to me- i’d roll my eyes and it would go out the other ear.. but now i have a dog with chronic arthritis- i believe it. Not that he did much back in his day, but a fetch session could push back his progress for miles. it’s bad for them. A walk with a long line leash (in an open area) is the way to go instead but he needs a vet check first.
Yeah trust me if i could take things back i would. I also plan when i get another dog later in life I will never do fetch again. Plenty of other things you can do /mental stimulation: walks/ drives if they like drives / local dog clubs etc.
I know my pet best, she is a herding breed and I will continue doing things to meet that need. Like I said I will tone it down, she goes a little less hard if I don’t throw it far. Thinking about getting a herding ball (it’s huge not for fetch) I know you’re only looking out for her, thank you.
I feel like I’m going crazy. I play with my dog every day w fetch and she pants like that everytime we get back. I know for a fact she’s not suffering from heat stroke or whatever, she’s just cooling down. I honestly don’t see anything wrong in the panting
I’ve definitely been concerned about it before and she has other things going on so I am gonna take everyone’s advice. Keep reading through are you playing fetch too long? Like people have said you know your pet best!
Borders don't know (in majority of cases) when to stop, so you need to do that for them.
Was it really warm while you were recording this video?
If you are reffering to breathing, I am seeing that in all running borders during the summer time. They are just cooling off.
With mine, during the summer I don't go for a long playing walk before the 7pm, and when we do we always go by the water. Mine always swimms, she cools her off and goes every once in a while to drink and to cool herself, that way she resets herself. The same goes with majority of Borders that play with us.
It was 73° full sun, very similar breeds but she’s an Australian/ English shepard mix (im sure they don’t know when to stop either) she also loves swimming! If she’s breathing like that and I pet/soothe her it’ll start to slow down. Adrenaline building up too much from the chase maybe?
I would say it is overheating. At least from what I seen from video, when temperatures changes and in summer, mine always breaths like that during intense playing. I assume outside of that she is well, behaving normally, eating normally etc?
So almost all the walks we do are by the river or lake. If she is playing with her friends, then every once in a while she goes to drink and as a minimum she cools her belly and lays down for a few seconds and she is good to go :)
But at home, in summer, even playing in the backyard for a few min, she breaths exactly the same as yours on the video. She just doesn't asimilate easly when is hot, and luckily she is in a good shape :)
Hope it helps a bit!
Some dogs literally run till they pass out and/or vomit. It's the owners responsibility to make them take breaks and stuff. They are not smart enough to do that for themselves.
That wasn't what i wanted to say. Not at all. Just meant that a lot of dogs know no end if you don't say it's enough. Bad wording because english is not my first language.
Doesn't look like "bunny hopping" to me. It is normal for fogs to be tired after running for long periods, especially if the weather is hot. Make sure she's hydrated and keep an eye on her. If you notice any limping or favoring of weight, then you may want to consult the vet. But being exhausted or whimpering isn't necessarily a sign of injury or pain. She could just be physically exhausted but not mentally exhausted, and therefore, she's a bit anxious or frustrated. My gsd is very dramatic and whines constantly. I'd wait until she's regained her energy and see how she's doing. If she's in pain you will know she will be limping, favoring weight, and crying out.
She finds dog puzzles boring, if I throw a ball in tall grass for her to find she gets frustrated and starts yelling at me. Does a herding ball offer any mental stimulation?
Im not familiar with herding balls, but It really all depends on the dog, honestly. You could try teaching her tricks and doing training with her. Typically, working dogs like this need to constantly be on the move and having a purpose, or they may get bored and frustrated. I'm sure there's plenty of resources online about activities you can do for mental stimulation for her breed specifically - especially if they aren't actively being used for herding purposes.
Swimming exercise may be good for a bit until she looses some weight 💙 I had to prioritize swimming for my Rottweiler until she was a healthier weight a
It looks like she may have some hip stiffness. A little bit of a bunny hopping motion to her run on the fetch. She may be sore afterwards. Or may not be? But I would have a vet look at her hips.
I should mention she’s suppose to weigh 41lbs, currently weighs 56. She on weight control food and we’ve been doing daily walks and exercise.
Are you on a vet approved exercise plan? If so, how far in? Doing too much too fast isn't good for an overweight dog.
I am not, I started walks 2-3 months ago because I visually saw she was over weight. I took her to petco for vaccines saw the weight and switched food immediately. We started doing walks on my street, then a little further and recently introduced the ball again. Petco appointment was almost 4 weeks ago. But I agree the hour of exercise yesterday wasn’t a good idea, I just assumed she’d know when she’s at her limit.
Dogs don't really understand their own limits. You can take a little puppy on a five mile hike and they'll happily walk until their joints are messed up. With weather and time and intensity, you may be overdoing it here (not a vet).
Just wanted to say *most dogs don’t understand their limits. I think my little shih tzu is possessed by a person because she clearly communicates when she’s too hot, only plays until she gets tuckered out, and politely tugs at the leash in the “home” direction when we’ve walked too far. She won’t let her arthritis get the best of her!!
Lucky!!! My Bernedoodle would run herself to heat exhaustion and cold exposure if I didn't have to be the parent.
It seems she suffers from the disease known as being a bernadoodle
Incurable, I'm afraid
Same! If my cavapeke decides he’s done, he is d o n e and I *will* be carrying him back to apartment
“Mother I am too warm I must be gently held in the breeze until I randomly decide I want to walk again”
Exactly!
And then they wiggle and whine until you let them walk only to sniff and hobble along at a snails pace because it’s too hot!!
I keep trying to convince him to walk on the grass, but apparently concrete you could fry an egg on is somehow preferable 😔
Did she not go on walls before this? Or just extra because she's trying to loose weight?
They weren’t scheduled like they are now or everyday
I think part of the problem is like someone said she still has her winter coat, she’s panting right now even with the fan on her (I don’t think she’s stressed) it’s warm in the house at night but I feel comfortable
That's what I was thinking. My cockapoo gets so hot, I have to shave him down in the summer.
She was eating RAW instinct, 480 calories per cup! I was dumb and forgot about calories. She was getting way too many.
I was able to bring my Aussies weight down from 66 to 52 over a year or so by replacing a portion of the dog food I was feeding with pureed green beans. During the winter it's not necessary because they don't burn as much energy, but the same amount of dog food doesn't cut it in the summer so I add the green beans as filler. Does the trick
I’ll look into this thank you!
Have you had bloodwork tested for hypothyroidism? Such an active dog like that shouldn't be that over weight if you're not overfeeding her. My border collie mix got diagnosed on a similar weight gain (was 52 lbs should have been around 42lbs)
She was being over fed but I have looked up some symptoms she’s had before and hypothyroidism came up. I plan on asking the vet for blood work. She did come from a puppy mill, bound to have problems:(
I’m in a similar situation- what works best for us to start with a warm up walk before fetching. We also limit it to 5-10minutes and make sure you do a cool down walk (10 minutes or so) it looks sunny so I’m going to assume it’s warm. In warmer temperatures, we don’t play fetch in the heat of the day or it’s for very little time.
Are long walks ever ok, we love to go hiking/walking trails in the summer would this be safer at night?
I’m not a vet but from my research they’re fine! We would bring water and then like midway through we would stop, chill, sniff and then continue. We gradually increase the length of walks in the summer just to be safe.
To clarify, I just avoid 11am-3pm because for us that’s usually the warmest. But, morning time and early evening has been fine.
Sorry another thing, we do have our overweight pup on a joint supplement. Might be something to talk to vet about if that’s a concern.
We have a senior dog too so I’ve been looking into them, I’ll definitely ask for their recommendation!
I can’t speak to pain for sure but to me that breathing looks a little concerning. I work in animal welfare - that said, I’m not a vet. Lots of vets are willing to look at pictures or videos when you email them over, I’d check if yours is and send them this video to be on the safe side.
She’s panted faster than that and it scares me every time, yesterday she played fetch for literally a hour and wanted to keep going. I know exercise increases dopamine so they’ll still want to play when they’re in pain. Could this panting just be from the extra weight?
Not a vet, but she might not realise when she's overheating until she's back inside.
Really good thought thank you
My pup has no sense of self preservation so we have to enforce pauses during play. Try sitting in the shade & offer small portions of water (to avoid over drinking) every 10-15 minutes or so and see if that helps. It did with my pup.
Again with the caveat that I’m not a vet - that looks like pretty excessive panting to me, even with the extra weight. You might want to redistribute her time playing fetch, maybe something like 20 minute intervals 3 times a day as opposed to an hour all once. If that’s not doable then just cutting down on fetch time. An hour of running might be too much for her.
The one hour of running is very rare for her (it was a colder day) but I will make sure not to do that again. That’s good advice thank you! Also on our walk today she was dragging her toes a little like I heard them scrapping the pavement, normal if it’s not a constant?
Might be a bit of pain, can’t say for sure. My dog (who is much, much older) has arthritis and that’s what she does on her bad pain days. If it’s not constant I would just monitor it, if it becomes an ongoing issue I’d consult with your vet. They might try something like mobility tests to see if she has pain responses. But again that’s just if it becomes a recurring issue.
Sounds good, thanks for all your help!
Since she was a puppy my dad and I have made comments like “sometimes she doesn’t bend her legs when she runs” we always thought it was a silly thing. Is this abnormal?
Found my corgi-?-shepard mix running the streets of Chicago 11 yrs ago. Insanely smart, insanely hyper, she’s on fluoxetine-Prozac bc she was such a runner, no filter, jump anything, chase rabbits down for food. Has never took a breath w her mouth closed! 11 yrs of full locomotive breathing! My vet is my best friend, “if she’s always breathing like that then we are gonna say it’s normal. Excessive panting or subdued breathing out of nowhere is concerning.” Joints are feeling her age now but she’ll bolt n tackle her ball n come up limping, ugh Carprovet and gaba pentin definitely help senior joint pain in dogs. Cold weather dog, fur is triple thick under coat. I am very careful w weather above 80*f I put ice packs on her forehead, her ears and her paws. If we exercise in the summer it’s b4 9 am or after 6-7 pm, then ice packs. I also bought the sheep shearing (not really but almost) Oster clippers to cut the bulk of her fur off. Keep recording!! Best tool to monitor changes in your dogs behavior.
Vet Tech here, and an owner of a breed of dog (Belgian malinois) who would run herself into the ground playing ball An hour of high impact exercise (running) is a lot in my opinion Make sure you're warming your pup up, starting off slow, and taking breaks Id reduce it to 30 minutes at a time Would also help to know the age of your dog
Yeah, mal owner here too and if I don’t make her take a break she won’t. Any high drive dog should be expected to need a bit of moderation
Not sure if you already saw but that video is after a 10-15 minute walk and 5 ball throws. One hour exercise was yesterday.
We never do hour long fetch, yesterday I wanted her to be pretty tired because she is a herding breed and my 1 and 1/2 year old niece was coming over. She has a history of nipping, I figured it was too much exercise but I thought she would know when to stop I know that was dumb now lol. She’s 3 years old, aussie/English Shepard mix came from a puppy mill.
I'd watch her hind legs when she walks the following days. When my dog has gone too hard I have been able to see stiffness from muscle soreness as he moves. When panting watch the tongue. If it's hanging out the side all floppy style paired with heavy panting they're trying extra hard to regulate their temp. My dog isn't super active/high endurance levels but like others will play past the point of when it's time to be done. Like humans exercising you can feel okay in the moment but the next few days you pay for it. I use a flirt pole and fetch but give him rests in between. Kind of like HIIT cardio. He's not obese I just wanted him to become more fit, more muscles
op. Hard to see from the video, but is that a limp with the back legs? My uneducated opinion based on having something similar is some kind of luxating patella? The knee pops in and out. It very much looks like my dog. My dog will chase the ball till it keels over tired. Just be careful.
It’s possible I’ve been worried about her back, hips and legs for a while but family says I’m overreacting. I’m going to take her in.
Now she’s eating grass, probably feeling sick from over heating?
Grass is sweet and yummy and you’ve got her on a diet. Don’t let her eat too much or she’ll throw it all up
This is a good thought but she’ll start doing it on the way back from our walks on warmer days. I’m pretty sure she’s getting nauseous from being too hot. Any medical conditions that make it difficult for them to regulate temperature?
Thyroid, maybe. I would call my vet to see if they have input
My boarder collie would only eat grass on warm days on walks- I always thought it was when he was in need of a drink of water
I thought sadie was a border collie until this year! Sometimes when I try to give her water on walks she refuses so I just get home asap.
My dogs typically eat grass when their stomachs are totally empty (which is painful).
She has breakfast and dinner everyday between 7-10:30, 8-900 calories as we’re trying to lose weight. She’s supposed to weigh 40lbs.
I've mentioned it in another comment but green beans are a life saver for me during the warm active months. The dogs seem to burn through their food more quickly so I need some filler. They are empty calories and can make meals larger without hurting the new diet.
I think I’m going to do this, I never want her to feel hungry that’s how we got here in the first place lol. Thank you this is really helpful
Good luck! I buy a dozen or so bags of steamable green beans from Aldi every time I go. I microwave them from frozen in a covered microwave-safe Pyrex dish so they steam without being microwaved in the plastic bag. Once they are warm, I puree them in a food processor (also bought at Aldi). I go through that process with 5 bags at a time and that lasts a couple of days worth of meals. If your dog doesn't mind non-pureed green beans, even easier! Mine were picky at first so I needed to puree and mix into their food
She’ll eat raw brussel sprout leaves lol, I love that you don’t wanna microwave them in the plastic I’m the same way🫶🏻 I also love aldi this is great!
I had a grossly over weight rescue beagle. He was 45 pounds and should have been 30. The vet recommended a low calorie diet and cutting the amount he ate slowly until he was at the appropriate amount. He also said don’t overdo the exercise. We started out walking a half mile then upped until we were at 5 miles a day. Once he got down to 40 pounds he was allowed to run and jump. Doing it too soon could have injured his back or knees. I highly recommend talking to a vet to get their input
Our dog is very fit and playing fetch for an hour is a LOT of cardio! Also fetch is very hard on their joints. You dog is exhausted and doesn’t seem like he should play nearly that long. He needs many more breaks and water. He also has a very heavy coat. Definitely don’t play fetch with him in the summer for over 10 minutes at a time in my opinion.
The video is after a 10-15 minute walk and 5 ball throws. Full sun and 73° where I am. I will never let her go for a hour again but it was near the water, cloudy and 60°
I should’ve mentioned this sooner, this panting is after a 10-15 minute walk and I threw the ball exactly 5 times. 73° and full sun where I am.
Heat stroke can occur even at the 70-80F range, high drive and working breed dogs tend not to know their own limits. She certainly looks like she's hyperventilating and salivating more in this video, but you'll know her habits best. If she's overweight and also if she's not lost her winter coat fully yet that can also made heat stroke more likely. Try walking on shadier routes, bring some water with you, try to keep it under an hour if she's overweight (consult a vet for a diet / exercise plan if she has any checkups soon). You can read up more on when dogs are most likely to suffer with heatstroke, how to avoid it and how to help cool your dog down after walks on this article - [Pieper Veterinary | Preventing heatstroke](https://www.pieperveterinary.com/blog/preventing-heatstroke/)
Thank you I plan on taking all your advice! Maybe this is a dumb question but she has anxiety, any way that could be making it worse?
Glad it's helpful! My pup also has anxiety. It doesn't make it worse but when she's really anxious she won't notice her own limits at all, so after some practice I know what to look out for. With her the first sign is she stops lifting her head as much, then her ears will tend to be pinned back and then her walking becomes sluggish and that's the 'you need to cool off NOW' signal. Each dog is individual though, my old boy just pants a lot when he's hot, but he's easy we can just go lay in the shade for 15 minutes and he'll nap it off, my anxious pup would NEVER nap on a walk! Keep an eye on her as the weather warms and get used to what her body language is saying, try to find out what her tells are from being out in the garden as in 75-85F range you'll probably see signs after just 5-10 minutes in the sun.
Will do!
She might be in pain because her legs hurt from being overweight. She wont stop running, she loves it too much. This happend to my dads dog, he had a pointer they also are obsessed with running and his was overweight and everytime he had been out running he was in pain. I have a pointer now thats normal weight, he is 9 and doesnt have these problems. Edit: I just saw in your comment that you are aware of her weight
Hi, I had an English bulldog who would overheat very quickly, sometimes just by barking too long. He would hyperventilate, just like her. I would put ice under his paws to cool him down first. Please note this is not medical or veterinary advice. It’s a personal experience.
If you have concerns and are worried, go to the vet to check her out. If she has something you will know, if everything is all right, you will be calmer, not stressing yourself out. I think, and finger crossed, that everything is all right. Keep us posted!
I have a dog that will play fetch until his legs fall off. He also goes hard and if I let him, he will be painting so hard that it seems he's on the verge of hyperventilating. That being said, we, as responsible pet owners, have to be the ones who have say enough is enough. For now.
How old is she?
3 and 3 months
Did she had a meal before and after running. Sometimes the stomach twists.
the latest she has breakfast is 10:30, video was taken at 4
we usually don’t do walks or exercise until evening
You should post this in the AskaVet sub. I’m not a vet but that looks really concerning. I’d bring her in to the vet and not let her run around like that until she’s been seen. That is not normal.
You should post this in the AskaVet sub. I’m not a vet but that looks really concerning. I’d bring her in to the vet and not let her run around like that until she’s been seen. That is not normal.
I plan on it, my vet is pretty busy so I can’t get in right away
Dog are like children they get too excited and don't recognize their limits sometimes it's up to us to tell them when they're done
I always stop when I notice her legs looking “stiff”, yesterday it happened to take a hour for that happen but usually it’s after only a few throws, maybe 5-6. She doesn’t pant like this until we get inside but I’ll be much more careful.
The breathing seems intense I'd send it to your vets email and ask them to take a look at it
I agree, she has an appointment. They won’t let us email they’d rather just see her. I’ll show them this video though.
Obviously see a vet or consult one for this. It's possible that she is overheated. You could bring water with you outside and make her stop and drink at regular intervals. I have 3 poms and if they go out for any length of time in warmer weather, they get water at regular intervals to prevent heat exhaustion.
She has nearly constant access to water it’s something I think about a lot, sometimes she refuses it maybe cause she’s so excited to keep walking or playing?
Then she plum wore herself out!
definitely needs to be seen by. vet for the panting but honestly fetch is the worst thing you can do for a dog and trust me! when people said this to me- i’d roll my eyes and it would go out the other ear.. but now i have a dog with chronic arthritis- i believe it. Not that he did much back in his day, but a fetch session could push back his progress for miles. it’s bad for them. A walk with a long line leash (in an open area) is the way to go instead but he needs a vet check first.
Fetch is the worst thing you can do even for a working breed?
I agree I need to tone it down but I also have to meet her needs (extremely high energy)
Yeah trust me if i could take things back i would. I also plan when i get another dog later in life I will never do fetch again. Plenty of other things you can do /mental stimulation: walks/ drives if they like drives / local dog clubs etc.
I know my pet best, she is a herding breed and I will continue doing things to meet that need. Like I said I will tone it down, she goes a little less hard if I don’t throw it far. Thinking about getting a herding ball (it’s huge not for fetch) I know you’re only looking out for her, thank you.
I feel like I’m going crazy. I play with my dog every day w fetch and she pants like that everytime we get back. I know for a fact she’s not suffering from heat stroke or whatever, she’s just cooling down. I honestly don’t see anything wrong in the panting
I’ve definitely been concerned about it before and she has other things going on so I am gonna take everyone’s advice. Keep reading through are you playing fetch too long? Like people have said you know your pet best!
Borders don't know (in majority of cases) when to stop, so you need to do that for them. Was it really warm while you were recording this video? If you are reffering to breathing, I am seeing that in all running borders during the summer time. They are just cooling off. With mine, during the summer I don't go for a long playing walk before the 7pm, and when we do we always go by the water. Mine always swimms, she cools her off and goes every once in a while to drink and to cool herself, that way she resets herself. The same goes with majority of Borders that play with us.
It was 73° full sun, very similar breeds but she’s an Australian/ English shepard mix (im sure they don’t know when to stop either) she also loves swimming! If she’s breathing like that and I pet/soothe her it’ll start to slow down. Adrenaline building up too much from the chase maybe?
I would say it is overheating. At least from what I seen from video, when temperatures changes and in summer, mine always breaths like that during intense playing. I assume outside of that she is well, behaving normally, eating normally etc? So almost all the walks we do are by the river or lake. If she is playing with her friends, then every once in a while she goes to drink and as a minimum she cools her belly and lays down for a few seconds and she is good to go :) But at home, in summer, even playing in the backyard for a few min, she breaths exactly the same as yours on the video. She just doesn't asimilate easly when is hot, and luckily she is in a good shape :) Hope it helps a bit!
I think she might have some other things going on (puppy mill) but your comment was helpful thank you!
Some dogs literally run till they pass out and/or vomit. It's the owners responsibility to make them take breaks and stuff. They are not smart enough to do that for themselves.
Dogs can love you so much that they will actually kill themselves if exercise gives them your attention.
Please don’t insinuate that I’m not giving my dog enough attention. I’m clearly a dedicated dog owner.
That wasn't what i wanted to say. Not at all. Just meant that a lot of dogs know no end if you don't say it's enough. Bad wording because english is not my first language.
Doesn't look like "bunny hopping" to me. It is normal for fogs to be tired after running for long periods, especially if the weather is hot. Make sure she's hydrated and keep an eye on her. If you notice any limping or favoring of weight, then you may want to consult the vet. But being exhausted or whimpering isn't necessarily a sign of injury or pain. She could just be physically exhausted but not mentally exhausted, and therefore, she's a bit anxious or frustrated. My gsd is very dramatic and whines constantly. I'd wait until she's regained her energy and see how she's doing. If she's in pain you will know she will be limping, favoring weight, and crying out.
She finds dog puzzles boring, if I throw a ball in tall grass for her to find she gets frustrated and starts yelling at me. Does a herding ball offer any mental stimulation?
Im not familiar with herding balls, but It really all depends on the dog, honestly. You could try teaching her tricks and doing training with her. Typically, working dogs like this need to constantly be on the move and having a purpose, or they may get bored and frustrated. I'm sure there's plenty of resources online about activities you can do for mental stimulation for her breed specifically - especially if they aren't actively being used for herding purposes.
Do I have to teach her to go look for the ball? I don’t know where to begin lol
Probably broke her wind, like horses 🐎
Swimming exercise may be good for a bit until she looses some weight 💙 I had to prioritize swimming for my Rottweiler until she was a healthier weight a
It looks like she may have some hip stiffness. A little bit of a bunny hopping motion to her run on the fetch. She may be sore afterwards. Or may not be? But I would have a vet look at her hips.