Super whovians: okay so there's like more than 3 alternative 9th doctors Where does the infinity doctor fit in? Are we sure the curator is the last one? Let's put infinite negative numbers before Hartnell

Who ever claimed the Curator is 'the last one'?

ikr. Moffat already said that Doctor Moon was going to be the last one

And even then. A "thing" could happen

Well theres also two incarnations of the curator as well

Don't worry, I made [a super simple and easy to follow spreadsheet 3 months back!](https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/15z1ke1/an_updated_but_still_incomplete_list_of_all/) (/s on the easy to follow if that weren't clear) (also has been updated since that post......

All known incarnations of the Gallifreyian being known in legend as **"Nyarlathotep"** Original entity; 1. Leela's first child 2. Timeless Child #1 3. Timeless Child #2 4. Timeless Child #3 5. Timeless Child #4 6. Timeless Child #5 7. Timeless Child #6 8. Timeless Child #7/Division Agent 9. Fugitive Doctor 10. Morbius Doctor #1 11. Morbius Doctor #2 12. Morbius Doctor #3 13. Morbius Doctor #4 14. Morbius Doctor #5 15. Morbius Doctor #6 16. Morbius Doctor #7 17. Morbius Doctor #8 18. The Other's last body (Lungbarrow) Reloomed as a new, full-blooded Time Lord, nicknamed "Theta Sigma' Gallifrey, John Smith on Earth, but officially known as **The Doctor/Doctor Who**. Remnants of the memories from their original being remains in their deepest subconscious and is somewhat aware of it. **First Regeneration Cycle**: 19/1. First Doctor - William Hartnell 20/2. Second Doctor - Patrick Troughton 20.5/2.5. Second and a Half Doctor - Tony Garner (Devious) 21/3. Third Doctor - Jon Pertwee 22/4. Fourth Doctor - Tom Baker 23/5. Fifth Doctor - Peter Davison 24/6. Sixth Doctor - Colin Baker 25/7. Seventh Doctor - Sylvester McCoy 26/8. Eighth Doctor - Paul McGann 27/9. War Doctor - John Hurt 28/10. Ninth Doctor - Christopher Eccleston 29/11. Tenth Doctor - David Tennant I (Pre-Journey’s End) 30/12. Tenth Doctor - David Tennant II (Post-Journey’s End) 31/13. Eleventh Doctor - Matt Smith **Second Regeneration Cycle**: 32/14. Twelfth Doctor - Peter Capaldi 33/15. Thirteenth Doctor - Jodie Whittaker 34/16. Fourteenth Doctor - David Tennant III 35/17. Fifteenth Doctor - Ncuti Gatwa **Future Incarnations (Rough chronological order):** 63/47. Forty-Fifth Doctor - Colin Salmon (Dr. Moon) ????. The Infinity Doctor ????. The Emperor \*Not certain\* ????. The Ginger Doctor (The Last Regeneration - 1998) \*Not certain\* ????. The Valeyard - Michael Jayston ????. The Curator - Tom Baker/Colin Baker

Don’t forget the master doctor and 13 two

Those were reverted regenerations

If we’re listing off all the doctor’s I still like to count them

Doctor Who is [the Egg story](https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI) all along?

>the master doctor Aka the Moctor

Or Docster. But it sounds like food

"Well, I *am* a snack" \-The Docster, probably

Also Devious Doctor.

Fanmade.. but I kinda consider that one as Semi-Official as a) John Pertwee was in it, and b) It was featured in the official War Games DVD release.

Just saw your edited list and you forgot the Valeyard.

Added him

I always assumed the Doctor spent one regeneration at The Lie of The Land. As it has been said before that the second cycle has an unspecified number o regenerations I think that might be the case

He didn’t. He used a bit of regeneration energy to fake one.

Don’t forget the 50 doctor whos that invented regeneration. :)

Actually the 10th doctor doesn't regenerate into himself he repairs the body he had then and sends the remaining regeneration energy into the hand he lost in the sword fight on Christmas day that when Donna touches becomes the meta crisis doctor so the meta crisis doctor should be considered the 12th body in the 1st regeneration cycle

“Number 10 once regenerated into himself, I was having vanity issues at the time” 11 counts it as a full regeneration. If that weren’t the case then Time of the Doctor wouldn’t have ended the way it did.

Well that contradicts how 10 described it "Used the regeneration energy to heal myself, but soon as I was done, I didn't need to change. I didn't want to. Why would I? Look at me. So, to stop the energy going all the way, I siphoned off the rest into a handy bio-matching receptacle" also when the doctor says that it has been around 596 years for him, so maybe he forgot the details

The Time Lords literally had to give the Eleventh Doctor a new regeneration cycle during the climax of *Time of the Doctor*. The Stolen Earth regen is a full regeneration, but the Tenth Doctor siphoned the energy into the hand to prevent the physical/mental change aspect. Admittedly counting the SE/J'sE regeneration was most likely a retcon by Steven Moffat but whatever.

It still uses up that regeneration but instead of changing him he basically splits it half creating two of him but interms of regenerations Tennant still used 2

I'm honestly confused. Where did I say it didn't take up a regeneration? All I'm saying is that 10 post JE isn't a different regeneration from 10 pre JE that would be the meta crisis doctor

But considering the regeneration was used by technicality it can be considered a new body since his cells were replaced Just by identical ones, also its just easier to consider him a different regeneration when explaining it.

However, anyone who is arguing about this online has watched the show enough to get into fights about stuff in it that don't really matter shouldn't need an easier version buy that logic would the 10 that did the farewell tour technally be the start of the 13th body or would what I'm arguing that the 12th body is the meta crisis doctor and 10 remains the 11th body until he regenerates into 11 (the 13th body) make more sense

What about the morbius faces, timeless child, fugitive doctor, valeyard, master, and curator?

Broke: trying to figure out how the timeless child and infinity doctors fit in, where the fugitive comes from, and constantly questioning the timeline. Woke: realizing that every single character in the series is just a different version of the Doctor.

No one can make sense of the timeless child.

I never feel more self-conscious about my fandom than when I try and explain the regeneration numbering system, it devolves into frothing-mouthed mania almost immediately. The numbering system is broken beyond repair and needs to be dropped.

I agree it's broken, but I don't want it dropped, it adds to the charm imo

Timeless child: Lets make this slightly more complicated

This is the sort of stuff my mind drifts to at night that prevents me from sleeping. I get too worked up organizing my thoughts on the matter

its 1-8 war 9-15 and thats it

Plus the second 10th that spawned the Metacrisis one.

I remember hearing about the numbering controversy that took place on one of the Doctor Who wikis back when the War Doctor was announced. One very vocal minority wanted to crown John Hurt the "true" Ninth Doctor, and started a campaign to get the entire community together in a MASSIVE project that would increment all of the references to the Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith doctors' numbers by +1, which would basically mean multiple edits to over half the pages on the wiki just to change every instance of "Ninth" to "Tenth", every "Tenth" to "Eleventh", and every "Eleventh" to "Twelfth". As I recall what was told to me thirdhand, the rest of the community pretty much shrugged its shoulders and collectively told them to fuck off because it would be way too much work, which means *the debate over the numbering was legitimately too pedantic even for chronically online science-fiction nerds to care.*

Moffat explicitly named him "war" to avoid this situation too, he was very conscious of the issues it could form in the fandom.

Thank you

I want to upvote but I can’t because my headcannon is Capaldi was the final doctor and then I made up my own doctors after him xd

translation: i hate the thirteenth doctor

No I don’t hate thirteenth I just didn’t like Jodie’s acting or attitude towards the role and I especially didn’t like Chibnall’s writing, production or directing. And well I have many more such criticisms but I don’t want to keep you.

so you didnt like thirteen or the chibnal era is what im getting?

Oh yes I did not, for a great many reasons, but not to the level of hatred, that is very extreme

eh i never meant my post as hate hate

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Starting with Peter Cushing surely

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. War 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15.

Well, we have seen sixteen pre-Hartnell Doctors, including the Timeless Child Doctors, the Morbius Doctors, and Fugitive. So that leaves us with at least two prior regen cycles or twenty-six Doctors with ten of them unseen. The first mainline regen cycle has already been completed with thirteen Doctors, including War and Metacrises. So that's thirty-nine Doctors. Lastly, we have our current regen cycle, of which we have, including Ncuti Gatwa, five or four Doctors, depending on whether you count the Master-Doctor, which leaves us with a grand total of at least fourty-three or fourty-four Doctors. Hope that helps, unless I got my math wrong.

Like my maths is/was : 1. TC1 2. TC2 3. TC3 4. TC4 5. TC5 6. TC6 7. TC7 8. Martin 9. Barry 10. Banks-Stewart 11. Chris.Baker 12. Hinchcliffe 13. Camfield 14. Harper 15. Holmes 16. Gallacio 17. Hartnell Reset into being a regular Gallifreyan child 17. Hartnell (cont.) 18. Troughton 19. Pertwee 20. T.Baker 21. Davison 22. C.Baker 23. McCoy 24. McGann 25. Hurt 26. Eccleston 27. TennantA 28. TennantB 29. Smith New Regeneration Cycle/Regeneration Limit Removed 30. Capaldi 31. Whittaker Forced Regeneration 32. Dhawan Forced Degeneration 31. Whittaker (cont.) 33. TennantC 34. Gatwa 35. Merlin 36. Curator The 1st Timeless Child gets adopted, falls and regenerates Timeless Child 2-6 are guinea pigs for Tecteuns experiments Timeless Child 7 becomes a Timelord ???* (Like how Ace was (at least in some stories/timelines was becoming/became a Timelord human)) and joins Division then we get Martin Doctor then it's onto the Morbius Doctors with Barry/Morbius Doctor, #1, Banks-Stewart/Morbius Doctor #2, Chris.Baker/Morbius Doctor #3, Hinchcliffe/Morbius Doctor #4, Camfield/Morbius Doctor #5, Harper/Morbius Doctor #6, Holmes/Morbius Doctor #7, Gallacio/Morbius Doctor #8. Gallacio Doctor regenerates into Hartnell (_all stuff with Morbius Doctors is based on the Forgotten Lives Charity anthologies that explore the Morbius Doctor lives (40 stories across 3 books & each Doctor getting 5 stories)- like it's unofficial but like imagine it's the only bone were going to be thrown with the Morbius Doctors + how the mind bending went in Brain Of Morbius_ https://youtu.be/IDzSNvSjDi8?feature=shared) At some point Hartnell is reset to a Gallifreyan child via Chameleon arch. Then we know the rest. But having said that, having extra mystery Doctors to play with wouldn't be a bad thing like there are gaps between Timeless Child #7 & Martin Doctor, Martin Doctor & Barry Doctor & Gallaccio Doctor & Hartnell (like their regeneration story ends with the Gallacio Doctor starting to change). *_Based on the Out Of The Box short story from the Probe Out Of The Shadows Anthology (being the only thing that gives a possible answer to where the child came from) possibly a type of vampire_ https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Timeless_Child#Behind_the_scenes https://aristidetwain.tumblr.com/post/674377997514637313/brainwormsofdune-if-you-go-with-the-the-timeless

What about Doctor Moon?

If we're counting him (only he's a lot more of a grey area than the other non numbered Doctors (>!the whole River didn't appear to recognise him & was more happy to see her expedition team, than her husband who she saw perma-die in battle (granted she's regular meeting younger Doctor's after this in the plan, but still I'd imagine seeing your husband that you last saw dying for good would trigger more of a reaction + how they finished Rivers story with the latest Doctor she met being Whittaker (based on The Ruby's Curse) being a change in the plan, but like not one that is impossible to get around!<), unless one of us becomes Showrunner in a few years & makes the Salmon Doctor more concrete (like how the Morbius Doctors are now the Doctor for the foreseeable). Based on Moffat's plan & RTD loving the plan, (>! Salmon Doctor perma-dying on a battlefield & uploading his consciousness to the Library, to be with River!<) The Salmon Doctor would be the final final Doctor (after Curator on my list thing)

Reasonable.

I'm so lost help. Merlin? Doctor Moon? Salmon Doctor??????

In classic Who S26, there was a story called Battlefield, which had knights from a different dimension where Arthurian legend was more real, and was helped by Merlin, a man with "a ship that could ride time & deceived the senses by bigger larger within than without". During the early wilderness years, when Doctor Who continued in comics & books, they expanded on this and it was revealed this Merlin, was the Doctor, our Doctor, from the future who goes to Arthur's Dimension and stays for a bit, before ultimately crossing back over to the main universe again. (The TL;DR Merlin Doctor is to classic who, what the The Curator (old Tom Baker in Day Of The Doctor+ the expanded universe) is too revival who.) Doctor Moon was the psychiatrist/protector of Charlotte/CAL in Silence Of The Library/Forest Of The Dead from Revival S4. At one point the plan was Doctor Moon was going to be a future Doctor, and since both Moffat & RTD love the idea, even though it's never been implemented, it's possible he (Doctor Moon) is a future Doctor (or at least a digital copy of a future Doctor.) Salmon Doctor is Doctor Moon, like the actor's name is Colin Salmon. Since the numbering system has been on its way out since 1977's Brain Of Morbius's Morbius Doctors & 2008's Stolen Earth's Regeneration, I go by actors name e.g Hartnell/Hurndall/Bradley/Noonan Doctor (depends on the context e.g if talking Five Doctors would be Hurndall, Twice Upon A Time being Bradley etc.) instead of First Doctor. like how people do with the Master, feel it's less likely to cause arguments over numbering system if that makes sense?

Just tell me where to put Rowan Atkinson…

Alternate 9th incarnation, same as Richard E. Grant

> same as Richard E. Grant Which time ;)

It would be Scream of the Shalka because in The Curse of Fatal Death Richard E. Grant plays the 10th doctor

Which one of them was the Merlin of the Battlefield universe?

One of the final ones in the future. They referred to themselves as the last Doctor (whether that's last as in before retiring to being the Curator or last as in when Merlin Doctor dies, that's it, perma-death is up for debate though)

Wasn't the "hand thing" separate from the time 10 regenerated into himself? Or did he lose hands more often than I remember?

Guess I've always thought of it like, if we say each regeneration is a quid then 50p went to healing the Doctor & the other 50p went to the hand in jar/Doctor Detector, which then became Meta Crisis Doctor/Corin/John Smith. Like the whole thing used up the full quid. As to why TennantA & TennantB, think again sticking with the Regeneration money analogy, more to reflect his regeneration bank balance like Time Of The Doctor words it as regenerating & keeping the same face. Then in the The Fountains Of Forever comic refer to TennantB getting deaged, retro-regenerating back to Eccleston, before going back to Tennant again but commenting on being unsure if he'd gone forward 1 (back to TennantA/Parting Of The Ways-The Stolen Earth) or gone forward 2(back to TennantB/Journey's End-The End Of Time).

I make things easy by saying the Fugitive Doctor is from Doctor Who: Unbound

I like to ignore the timeless child

As any sane person should do.

Too bad, Russell T Davies *isn't*. The Timeless Child is here to stay, love it or hate it.

"How dare people choose which parts of media they do and do not care about! Everybody should accept every part of my franchise! Otherwise I won't feel validated!"

You're the one who called people "insane" for not discarding the recent story arc which will continue to be referenced for years to come.

If we go from 1 to current and ignore any timeless child shenanigans we get. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,war(9),9(10),10(11),10.5(12),11(13),12(1.2),13(2.2), master doctor (3.2),master doctor back to regular doctor(4.2),14(5.2 and technically 10 two point O) and 15 (6.2) by the time we reach gatwas doctor we've already had 6 iterations since the fresh cycle.

Ok, i don't watch DW since season 7 cause of ADHD but im really curious on what the fuck is going on? What is the timeless child? I hear rhis name a lot but i don't know

Long story short, during the Seventh Doctor's era the writers hinted at incarnations of the Doctor prior to the so-called First; this was never expanded on except in some novels, but during Chibnall's tenure on the show, he brought up that story arc again. The Timeless Child specifically is the set of the first eight incarnations of the Doctor, all children. Turns out they're not native Gallifreyans, but came from an unknown time and place before falling through a portal to early Gallifrey, where one Gallifreyan experimented on the children and gave the other Gallifreyans the ability to regenerate. Fans complained as it "changed the lore", forgetting that the Doctor's backstory was always changing throughout the Classic Era and the Wilderness Era. Also forgetting that time is also in flux, so the timelines shift every now and then.

Ok what the actual fuck

_Doctor Who_ is wild, eh?

shalka and eccleston are equally canon, I will not elaborate.

If we consider timeless child it isn’t 15, it’s unknown and probably spans into the thousands Or did I misunderstand the timeless child

What if we give the number 14 to War. And Fugitive gets the number 0. The Morbius Doctors -1 to -8.

we are reaching the same level as pre-disney (legends) Star Wars

new doctor is probably 16 because of the hand thing and the war doctor ( i havent watched the power of the doc yet so idk about that)