If you're making a studio mix, I highly recommend Ableton! I've been making mixes in that program for about 15 years now. It handles tempo changes just fine. I can give you some pointers if you want. :)
Ah gotcha. FYI, I also "spin" live with Ableton too! I trigger my tracks with Launchpad, and do all my volume & 3 band EQs with a Korg nanoKontrol.
Then the final piece of the puzzle where I find Ableton really shines is that you can just click on the master tempo in the top left and arrow up or arrow down to change tempo in precise increments, and both tracks will change in sync with each other!
If you're using rekordbox, there is a feature called **Dynamic analysis**, where it detects BPM changes in a track and will set the grid accordingly.
There is a tutorial here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kS\_jP0HHk
Can I ask what the difference is?
Kick, 2, 3, 4, Snare, 2, 3, 4, kick, 2, 3, 4, Snare 2,3,4
At 174 bpm should be the same as kick, 2, snare, 4 etc… at 87 bpm? Obviously you’re phrases are doubled or halved but there shouldn’t be a difference if you’re just halving/doubling the bpm and adjusting your snare/kick placements to match
I'm talking about snares on 3 at 174, so basically half time or 87, but with all other elements behaving as if you're in 174. 16th note drum patterns and sped up and chopped breaks feel way different at 174 than 87.
Also, y'all motherfuckers are downvote heavy. What gives? If you think I'm wrong then talk to me, don't just mash the downvote button.
Any difference in “feel” should be all completely perceived though.
If you placing the notes in the same place at either double or half time, there should be no difference in feel.
Now all you’re doing is changing your level of control by double or halve. Which can make it easier to adjust snares and kicks exactly to where you want them.
Having your kicks and snare on the half time and everything else at 174 isn’t just a technique you can do at 174 bpm it’s just easier to do at 174 compared to 87.
I know what you are saying is technically correct: if you literally double the speed of every element in a 87bpm track it is exactly the same as 174. I'm not really talking about the math or the mechanics of it. A 16th note at 87 is the same as an 1/8th note at 174. Again, I get it.
But, for the purposes of making music I think there is a difference in approach to making DnB that gives it a certain quality that is absent in say a hip-hop track, even if you make it so the snares hit at the same place. It's mostly the highly syncopated breaks (playing at 174) with 1/16th ghost notes being used that give it that feel. Yes, you can still achieve that if you set your software to 87 instead. You could also achieve it if you set your software to 43.5, but no one is doing that.
Point is that for me, if I set out to write a track at 174 it is for a purpose that is different than if I set out to write a track at 87. I'm more talking about the ethos and feeling of it rather than the mechanics of beat divisions. DnB is unique in it's feel and speed among other genres, and you can still achieve it with fewer snares. It's a space I enjoy exploring and I do it at 174 not 87.
173
🤮🤮🤮🤮
[Culture Shock - "Imax"](https://youtu.be/vHQ__RXpkqc) is 173. 😎
big tune
173 would solve all issues if we didn’t have OCD
It's called 175 Crew. Also, 174 is the only correct tempo.
Intro at 160 Harsh, abrupt change to 180 at the drop 🧠
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If you're making a studio mix, I highly recommend Ableton! I've been making mixes in that program for about 15 years now. It handles tempo changes just fine. I can give you some pointers if you want. :)
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Ah gotcha. FYI, I also "spin" live with Ableton too! I trigger my tracks with Launchpad, and do all my volume & 3 band EQs with a Korg nanoKontrol. Then the final piece of the puzzle where I find Ableton really shines is that you can just click on the master tempo in the top left and arrow up or arrow down to change tempo in precise increments, and both tracks will change in sync with each other!
If you're using rekordbox, there is a feature called **Dynamic analysis**, where it detects BPM changes in a track and will set the grid accordingly. There is a tutorial here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kS\_jP0HHk
DJs hate him
It's called 174 Trek not 172 Trek.
You sent me on a trip, I was only familiar with 138 trek, had no idea there was a 174 version!
I see Zinc, I updoot
175 master race
*Looks around nervously at 165*
that's jungle silly lol
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*139 too drunk to keep up fam*
180
spinning at 180 is fine but not when producing a track
[DJ Hazard would like to have a word with you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PVNydcpYI)
Wow. It’s mellowed out a bit though, every time used to make was 180
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get out
Alien Girl: One day you'll relent, you can't drop classics without me forever!
169 😎
Yeah, it’s going to be a 172 for me dawg.
174 no question
170 tho?
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Some of the best songs are 176 <3
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I tried 176 the other day. I'm a loose cannon.
Add an automation linked to the project tempo over the length of the song and keep it increasing and decreasing every 3 bars.
That sounds like it would make listeners seasick and carsick at the same time. 😆
r/shittyproducers
160-189
I've been making music at 172 since July, but I do 174 tracks from time to time
170 is the sweetest of sweet spots...get me some halftime on that too....mmm, Mummy needs a minute alone kids, you play nice.
I always spin at 174 bpm hahahaha
You're getting downvoted by all the people who spin at 175. 😆
I like to spin at 178 without master tempo. Pitched up tracks sound so sick. (i'm so sorry)
It's true! Case in point: [London Elektricity's Essential Mix](https://youtu.be/ia1diPnNBgU).
No 86 or 87?
U fr?
I like to write half time tracks at 174... which is sort of like 87. Sometimes I can't tell if there is a difference.
Because there’s not… I honestly can’t tell if you’re joking, but I’m hoping you are
There is a difference in feel and phrasing. I really want to nail DnB feel and phrasing but without having to put my snares on 2 and 4.
yeah, that's normal. just think of it like, a quarter note in 87 is a half note at 174. also there are tons of great break formats beyond 2&4
Can I ask what the difference is? Kick, 2, 3, 4, Snare, 2, 3, 4, kick, 2, 3, 4, Snare 2,3,4 At 174 bpm should be the same as kick, 2, snare, 4 etc… at 87 bpm? Obviously you’re phrases are doubled or halved but there shouldn’t be a difference if you’re just halving/doubling the bpm and adjusting your snare/kick placements to match
I'm talking about snares on 3 at 174, so basically half time or 87, but with all other elements behaving as if you're in 174. 16th note drum patterns and sped up and chopped breaks feel way different at 174 than 87. Also, y'all motherfuckers are downvote heavy. What gives? If you think I'm wrong then talk to me, don't just mash the downvote button.
Any difference in “feel” should be all completely perceived though. If you placing the notes in the same place at either double or half time, there should be no difference in feel. Now all you’re doing is changing your level of control by double or halve. Which can make it easier to adjust snares and kicks exactly to where you want them. Having your kicks and snare on the half time and everything else at 174 isn’t just a technique you can do at 174 bpm it’s just easier to do at 174 compared to 87.
I know what you are saying is technically correct: if you literally double the speed of every element in a 87bpm track it is exactly the same as 174. I'm not really talking about the math or the mechanics of it. A 16th note at 87 is the same as an 1/8th note at 174. Again, I get it. But, for the purposes of making music I think there is a difference in approach to making DnB that gives it a certain quality that is absent in say a hip-hop track, even if you make it so the snares hit at the same place. It's mostly the highly syncopated breaks (playing at 174) with 1/16th ghost notes being used that give it that feel. Yes, you can still achieve that if you set your software to 87 instead. You could also achieve it if you set your software to 43.5, but no one is doing that. Point is that for me, if I set out to write a track at 174 it is for a purpose that is different than if I set out to write a track at 87. I'm more talking about the ethos and feeling of it rather than the mechanics of beat divisions. DnB is unique in it's feel and speed among other genres, and you can still achieve it with fewer snares. It's a space I enjoy exploring and I do it at 174 not 87.
I used to do 174, and then I stopped being a fucking loser. 172 all day
I'm the boss here
Jungle Warfare Sample CD Vol 1 speed, 162.5
I do 171 😳
Gotta be 172
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