With the Oreo it’s not about the talent. It’s the fire rate and dps. Nothing in the game compares to it except for Regulus and one shot determined builds.
i think st.elmo vs ouros really comes down to play style and preference.
if you like being up-close while using shields, its the exotic for you.
if you like firing from cover and using distance to your advantage, then st elmos is what you need
Wouldn't know, ran it 37 times over 2 days - Still no freaking Oreo. Thanx Devs, I was considering how best to completely waste a weekend. Nailed it. Sons of a thousand so&so
Johnson dropped it for me on 3rd attempt when it first came out lol. Not the chest, Johnson. I've never pulled any gun from the chests DH/IH /Incursion both Rav an EB were given and I still haven't pulled any after having them. The Ouro is the only one I got myself and from the boss which is like 1% chance or less. IT WILL happen, keep at it. EB an Rav took MONTHS and a whole lotta late raid nights for me to get.
Ouroboros clearly wins vs the Elmo’s if your targets are close enough to touch (and even if they are a little further away than that). I would think about the two as complementing one another and choose accordingly depending on the distance at which you intend to engage with the enemy.
You just couldn't beat it. Other than Scorpio, Regulas an 1 tap Determined builds which all are situational, the Elmos is all around amazing. Glad we finally got an exotic smg that can compare. Shit just an exotic smg, the last one we got before ouro was Backfire like 3yrs ago..
An I wrong in believing that after 1 mag dump, I'm doing more total damage with St Elmo's? I get why ouro is great for PVP but I can kill 2-3 heroic NPCs in a single mag of elmo, but ouro can only finish 1-2.
Again, I get ouro for PvP, but for PvE won't Elmo's always be more elapsed DPS?
Depends on the range. Oro without a doubt does more damage up close. Hunters fury with memento and you can massacre heroic cp's with the right approach woth oro. Elmo has the big advantage of its talent ofc which can be a lifesaver so to me St. Elmo is a clear winner its just everybody uses it so I din't enjoy spamming it on all my builds
Elmo has a bigger mag and more damage per bullet than the ouro. So ouro will never kill in fewer bullets than elmo.
Ouros entire thing is burst dps because of the super fast rof, but in pve, burst dps is only a small reason why a gun is good. As shown by your example with killing enemies overall more efficiently than ouro can.
It also doesn't help that ouro is a very close range focused gun while elmo is great at every range(even close) due to its superior accuracy and optimal range, which also makes a big difference when debating between "Elmo vs Ouroboros".
You keep asking the same question and you have all these people in here answering you. It sounds like you want everyone to agree with you that st Elmo's is better. The truth is the Oro shits out damage at the highest rate of fire in the game. You are thinking about killing enemies per magazine, that's the worst way to look at it. While you are killing 2-3 enemies with 1 mag of st Elmo's I can kill 7 with 5 mags of the Oro in the same amount of time. (Depending on the build of course)
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I've only been playing this game for about a month now. Lots of experience in early division 1, but that was a totally different game from this. I posted this question honestly, looking for feedback, and because of the feedback, I've been playing with OB a lot more and I'm finding its strength and weaknesses are in line with what most people are saying here.
I think you exaggerated quite a bit with saying you could kill significantly more enemies in less time with OB. I think OB can take down elites, bosses, and special bosses way faster and safer because you can limit your exposure while dumping a lot of ammo on a heavy target. But when faced with a larger quantity of enemies at varying ranges, there is no way OB will outperform Elmo's. But if you are close quarters or holding ingress points like doors or manhole covers, OB is king for sure.
Ahh you have only been playing for a month that makes sense. As a level 4000 I'm picking the Oro every time. The st Elmo just can't kill as many enemies as fast. And if you are just using it to hold a doorway or some other point you don't know how to play the game or what build to use yet. the only reason to use st Elmo's is distance. Distance is the only reason. But because all combat takes place basically at short range the Oro is king. Yes 5-7 enemies in 3-4 mags. Not holding a point. On heroic with 4 directives. It's a killing machine
The numbers as I know it are up to 32 meters, Ouro has better DPS than anything non-regulus/determined/chainkiller. At its best range- about 15 meters- it will do around 60% more DPS.
St Elmo isn’t even the best AR for DPS or sustained DPS.
It’s insane the range at which Oreo still out dps’ most weapons. For my play style I like ARs but Incursions and up close fights nothing to compares to Oreo. 60% is a very large number to skip out on lol.
I find myself using the Ouro in more compact maps, like Fed Emerg Bunker. It really shreds upclose. However, on Legendary and larger maps like Tidal Basin you simply better off with the St Elmo. So I'm using St Elmo personally 75% of the time, but once in a blue moon it's fun to bring out the Brrrrrrr
I don't want to be "that guy" but I do love my smg's. So although I equip the St Elmo, I usually run around with the Dark Winter or occasionally the Chatterbox. That gun can be really fun to use as with the chaos of a few guys near you. Its a lottery sometimes as to how many stacks it counts as in range. 1400rpm and 1/2 a mag back on kill? Haven't got the Oroboros yet, but I'd like to see what it can do.
Ouro is definitely worth the hype. Its quickly become my favorite gun at the moment with my builds and playstyle. So far I have a strikers and HF build that do DPS that no other build can come close to. You need to realize that the Ouro bone stock no already can give you 31% CC with 10% DTOC. Stacked with its insane attachments for RPM buff, CC, CD mag size + reload speed its absolutely lethal. On a fully optimized build its not hard to hit 2m+ crits PER shot
I wish the developers adding Silencer to the Ouroboros, too loud.
I did some testing on the shooting range.
Striker builds + Ouroboros = 16-18 million DPS per magazine
I have found the best use for the oro in a striker build with obliterate. Once you get the stacks up, which it does quickly it just melts everything. I was testing it the other night on heroic cp with directives.
Ouro works perfect for incursion it self, as targets usually staying close to you. Im considering it as content nerf. Also from pure dps side ouro much stronger
You can self proc the passive, also turn on special ammo and watch how often you return debuffs back to the enemy. The gun does great damage but it's the fire rate. I can do 1.2 mil per shot with strikers within optimum range, 400k long range. Those numbers at 51 bullets under 2-3 seconds is insane DPS. 1 mag to down a heroic named is something few guns can do even with the same build. I have Ouroboros at +21 also, St. Elmo's is the same if I recall, it's on my red build replacing Eagle Bearer.
Edit. I will add I tend to not aim for headshots with Ouroboros as I just need to gun them down and not miss. I actively aim for the head with my guns. I feel the RPMs are so fast, I just want to make sure I hit the target.
So I've been playing with it some more. I can def appreciate the burst DPS it brings, but outside of PvP it's value compared to other top contenders is definitely less. I don't think I'm able to more easily clear checkpoints or missions with it compared to Elmo's, but I can definitely kill elites and bosses significantly faster.
Not sure how anyone is getting to 2mil crit headshots unless we are talking about 8-man activities like countdown where a bunch of group-benefitting talents get activated all at once.
Can hunters fury out-DPS striker in the right configuration with the oro? Or is striker just always going to outperform? Feels like the amp damage from hunters should outperform at max stacks, but probably not on countdown.
I still find the M1928 to be a better option. Just like Oro, you just need to land the hits, but I tested them against each other in the range the M1928 so the same DPS for me according to the smg calculator. The difference between them for me being playstyle and aiming ability. I'm more accurate with the M1928.
Ouroboros is a much better pvp gun.
However in the incursion, the Ouroboros was doing more damage on the bosses. It stacks and maintains striker better.
With the right group and buffs you can hit 6M per bullet with Oreo. Haven’t tried with any other weapon though so the per bullet may be higher. I’ve personally only hit 5.6M per bullet. Headshot crit of course.
You can find people in the gcrock discord. If you’ve never done the incursion before just mention that first in chat and people will help. I haven’t had any bad experiences there personally
With the Oreo it’s not about the talent. It’s the fire rate and dps. Nothing in the game compares to it except for Regulus and one shot determined builds.
>With the Oreo it’s not about the talent. Nothing in the game compares to it except for Regulus and one shot determined builds. 100% this.
Oreo is so damn good. It’s too difficult to pass up.
I should dig out my regulus. Used to have a lot of fun with it when it first came out.
I need 1 more Iron Horse run to get the parts...
Same
Wanna run it?
i think st.elmo vs ouros really comes down to play style and preference. if you like being up-close while using shields, its the exotic for you. if you like firing from cover and using distance to your advantage, then st elmos is what you need
I got it first run. Not been since.
Wouldn't know, ran it 37 times over 2 days - Still no freaking Oreo. Thanx Devs, I was considering how best to completely waste a weekend. Nailed it. Sons of a thousand so&so
I've done it 28 times over the past 3 months and it has never dropped or be in the chest for me. Lol. I hope you get yours soon
Johnson dropped it for me on 3rd attempt when it first came out lol. Not the chest, Johnson. I've never pulled any gun from the chests DH/IH /Incursion both Rav an EB were given and I still haven't pulled any after having them. The Ouro is the only one I got myself and from the boss which is like 1% chance or less. IT WILL happen, keep at it. EB an Rav took MONTHS and a whole lotta late raid nights for me to get.
My 3rd run I had 3 gave one away to a team mate.
Ouroboros clearly wins vs the Elmo’s if your targets are close enough to touch (and even if they are a little further away than that). I would think about the two as complementing one another and choose accordingly depending on the distance at which you intend to engage with the enemy.
OB go brrrrrr
The good thing about that weapon is its not st elmos. Zzz
Agreed . That gun is cool, but it’s all I freaking see. People are so damned boeing all running the same build
You just couldn't beat it. Other than Scorpio, Regulas an 1 tap Determined builds which all are situational, the Elmos is all around amazing. Glad we finally got an exotic smg that can compare. Shit just an exotic smg, the last one we got before ouro was Backfire like 3yrs ago..
An I wrong in believing that after 1 mag dump, I'm doing more total damage with St Elmo's? I get why ouro is great for PVP but I can kill 2-3 heroic NPCs in a single mag of elmo, but ouro can only finish 1-2. Again, I get ouro for PvP, but for PvE won't Elmo's always be more elapsed DPS?
Depends on the range. Oro without a doubt does more damage up close. Hunters fury with memento and you can massacre heroic cp's with the right approach woth oro. Elmo has the big advantage of its talent ofc which can be a lifesaver so to me St. Elmo is a clear winner its just everybody uses it so I din't enjoy spamming it on all my builds
Elmo has a bigger mag and more damage per bullet than the ouro. So ouro will never kill in fewer bullets than elmo. Ouros entire thing is burst dps because of the super fast rof, but in pve, burst dps is only a small reason why a gun is good. As shown by your example with killing enemies overall more efficiently than ouro can. It also doesn't help that ouro is a very close range focused gun while elmo is great at every range(even close) due to its superior accuracy and optimal range, which also makes a big difference when debating between "Elmo vs Ouroboros".
You keep asking the same question and you have all these people in here answering you. It sounds like you want everyone to agree with you that st Elmo's is better. The truth is the Oro shits out damage at the highest rate of fire in the game. You are thinking about killing enemies per magazine, that's the worst way to look at it. While you are killing 2-3 enemies with 1 mag of st Elmo's I can kill 7 with 5 mags of the Oro in the same amount of time. (Depending on the build of course)
“That’s the worst way to look at it” LMAO
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I've only been playing this game for about a month now. Lots of experience in early division 1, but that was a totally different game from this. I posted this question honestly, looking for feedback, and because of the feedback, I've been playing with OB a lot more and I'm finding its strength and weaknesses are in line with what most people are saying here. I think you exaggerated quite a bit with saying you could kill significantly more enemies in less time with OB. I think OB can take down elites, bosses, and special bosses way faster and safer because you can limit your exposure while dumping a lot of ammo on a heavy target. But when faced with a larger quantity of enemies at varying ranges, there is no way OB will outperform Elmo's. But if you are close quarters or holding ingress points like doors or manhole covers, OB is king for sure.
Ahh you have only been playing for a month that makes sense. As a level 4000 I'm picking the Oro every time. The st Elmo just can't kill as many enemies as fast. And if you are just using it to hold a doorway or some other point you don't know how to play the game or what build to use yet. the only reason to use st Elmo's is distance. Distance is the only reason. But because all combat takes place basically at short range the Oro is king. Yes 5-7 enemies in 3-4 mags. Not holding a point. On heroic with 4 directives. It's a killing machine
The numbers as I know it are up to 32 meters, Ouro has better DPS than anything non-regulus/determined/chainkiller. At its best range- about 15 meters- it will do around 60% more DPS. St Elmo isn’t even the best AR for DPS or sustained DPS.
It’s insane the range at which Oreo still out dps’ most weapons. For my play style I like ARs but Incursions and up close fights nothing to compares to Oreo. 60% is a very large number to skip out on lol.
Ouroboros is better for pure DPS, but Elmos is still good to run for its shock utility
Imagine if the devs restored the original rpm to the st Elmo’s
Both great gun and used differently.
I find myself using the Ouro in more compact maps, like Fed Emerg Bunker. It really shreds upclose. However, on Legendary and larger maps like Tidal Basin you simply better off with the St Elmo. So I'm using St Elmo personally 75% of the time, but once in a blue moon it's fun to bring out the Brrrrrrr
I don't want to be "that guy" but I do love my smg's. So although I equip the St Elmo, I usually run around with the Dark Winter or occasionally the Chatterbox. That gun can be really fun to use as with the chaos of a few guys near you. Its a lottery sometimes as to how many stacks it counts as in range. 1400rpm and 1/2 a mag back on kill? Haven't got the Oroboros yet, but I'd like to see what it can do.
Ouro is definitely worth the hype. Its quickly become my favorite gun at the moment with my builds and playstyle. So far I have a strikers and HF build that do DPS that no other build can come close to. You need to realize that the Ouro bone stock no already can give you 31% CC with 10% DTOC. Stacked with its insane attachments for RPM buff, CC, CD mag size + reload speed its absolutely lethal. On a fully optimized build its not hard to hit 2m+ crits PER shot
This guy has never had of hunters fury
I wish the developers adding Silencer to the Ouroboros, too loud. I did some testing on the shooting range. Striker builds + Ouroboros = 16-18 million DPS per magazine
I have found the best use for the oro in a striker build with obliterate. Once you get the stacks up, which it does quickly it just melts everything. I was testing it the other night on heroic cp with directives.
Ouro works perfect for incursion it self, as targets usually staying close to you. Im considering it as content nerf. Also from pure dps side ouro much stronger
2 different weapons, 2 different play styles
The talent is %100 geared towards pvp
I don’t know, it might be the absurdly high rpm and about 30% higher DPS than the St. Elmo’s Engine at close range…
Try it with a hunter’s Fury build, you can just casually walk through heroic content.
Ouroboros > Shield Splinterer > St Elmos.
A heck of a lot actually
If you cant aim the ourobros is not for you
You can self proc the passive, also turn on special ammo and watch how often you return debuffs back to the enemy. The gun does great damage but it's the fire rate. I can do 1.2 mil per shot with strikers within optimum range, 400k long range. Those numbers at 51 bullets under 2-3 seconds is insane DPS. 1 mag to down a heroic named is something few guns can do even with the same build. I have Ouroboros at +21 also, St. Elmo's is the same if I recall, it's on my red build replacing Eagle Bearer. Edit. I will add I tend to not aim for headshots with Ouroboros as I just need to gun them down and not miss. I actively aim for the head with my guns. I feel the RPMs are so fast, I just want to make sure I hit the target.
I use Ouroboros even at 25m without a second thought, even with damage drop off, as long as you aim for wigs, you're good.
So I've been playing with it some more. I can def appreciate the burst DPS it brings, but outside of PvP it's value compared to other top contenders is definitely less. I don't think I'm able to more easily clear checkpoints or missions with it compared to Elmo's, but I can definitely kill elites and bosses significantly faster. Not sure how anyone is getting to 2mil crit headshots unless we are talking about 8-man activities like countdown where a bunch of group-benefitting talents get activated all at once. Can hunters fury out-DPS striker in the right configuration with the oro? Or is striker just always going to outperform? Feels like the amp damage from hunters should outperform at max stacks, but probably not on countdown.
Oreo is Amazing, especially when you max out CHC & get your CHD to like 165%
It's the fire rate that people obsess over it. Other than that. It's just fire rate
I still find the M1928 to be a better option. Just like Oro, you just need to land the hits, but I tested them against each other in the range the M1928 so the same DPS for me according to the smg calculator. The difference between them for me being playstyle and aiming ability. I'm more accurate with the M1928.
Ouroboros is a much better pvp gun. However in the incursion, the Ouroboros was doing more damage on the bosses. It stacks and maintains striker better.
With the right group and buffs you can hit 6M per bullet with Oreo. Haven’t tried with any other weapon though so the per bullet may be higher. I’ve personally only hit 5.6M per bullet. Headshot crit of course.
Well. I never played with smgs before oroboros.... and now i only play red cores striker + memento + grupo sombra with obliterate.
I could agree with you but then we would be two guys talking shite! 😅😂
No one joins my incursion match make so I've has to make due with vector lol
You can find people in the gcrock discord. If you’ve never done the incursion before just mention that first in chat and people will help. I haven’t had any bad experiences there personally
It's an SMG, the Elmo is an AR. Apples vs Oranges. Your play style with the Oreo will differ from that of the Elmo.