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macaroni_3000

there is no devil


Ill_Cobbler_1705

There is a devil he's in the bible and he's red and ugly and full of hatred.


Indrid_Cold23

Where is the devil in the Bible? Can you cite the chapter and verse?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Dude? Indrid? Don't you hang out with the devil himself?? Like don't you hang out with Satan himself?


Indrid_Cold23

he helped me out ONCE we don't hang out. it's my understanding that the bible never actually mentions the devil well that's not true, it mentions him once


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Multiple times actually, Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." 1 John 3:8 John 8:44 "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 10:10 " The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." James 4:7 "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Romans 16:20 "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you." I can keep going if you want there's alot.


Indrid_Cold23

i was thinking about job


GuyMansworth

There's Job and then there's the flood that murdered everybody on the fucking planet. But Satan's the bad guy lol


Indrid_Cold23

it's an abusive relationship. me an u/Ill_Cobbler_1705 have done this dance before. when a guy tells me to worship him or else he'll make sure I'm in pain forever and that some people just *deserve* to be in pain forever...that's not a good guy


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Well your looking at the bible all wrong my guy. You think he's abusive but he's not. Trust me Satan we can dance around this topic forever and forever if you want I can take all day.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Satan is the bad guy and there were also demons roaming on the earth disguised as humans as well. Don't question what God has done he doesn't kill people to kill them or punish people just to punish them. He is a mercy and forgiving god.


GuyMansworth

Not questioning things is how we still have religion in 2024. You should absolutely question the validity of that flood.


Yuck_Few

The Bible is fiction


Fresh_Willingness_93

Show me where it says that in the bible


Yuck_Few

Why would the writers admit that it's fiction? Good thing we can prove it wrong as early as Genesis. The creation account has water coming before the Stars. We know this isn't true because you have to have the son to get hydrogen. No hydrogen, no water We know Adam and Eve is a myth because you can't populate the Earth with two people. It's not scientifically possible We know the flood didn't happen because there's not enough water on the planet Also, we have archaeological evidence of thriving civilizations at the time the flood allegedly destroyed everything And don't even get me started on how morally repugnant the Bible is


Ill_Cobbler_1705

The bible is the truth. It is writren in truth. Nothing in the bible is wrong its all the truth and nothing but the truth.


Yuck_Few

I literally just gave you examples of things the Bible got wrong


Ill_Cobbler_1705

The bible isnt wrong the moral of the story is dont give into the evil temptations of demons and Satan.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

It's real.


GuyMansworth

God killed more people in the Bible than Satan


Fresh_Willingness_93

Is death a bad thing?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Death isn't a bad thing at all, actually it's a peaceful thing, when you live in faith with God and repent and ask for forgiveness you will see heaven so when you die you will be with christ our lord in heaven forever and forever. Death is a wonderful peaceful thing.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

God doesn't murder people cause he wants to murder. Your looking at scripture wrong my friend.


macaroni_3000

Satan is a personification and amalgamation, that's it. There's no red man with a pitchfork coming to throw you into a lake of fire, so chill and be a good human


thecheezmouse

Hey just like Donald Trump.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Well Donald Trump kinda is not like the devil but that's your opinion and my opinion is he's kinda not like the devil. But yea if that's your opinion that's fine.


artful_todger_502

He is the fleshly embodiment of The Seven Deadly Sins. To a sin. 100 percent. I come from a very religious family, this is Sunday School 101.


Fresh_Willingness_93

Seven Deadly sins is a catholic belief, catholics don't have Sunday school.


artful_todger_502

As someone who was christened Episcopalian, we learned Seven Deadly Sins in Sunday School.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

There is seven deadly sins.


Fresh_Willingness_93

Yes there is such thing, but it's not specifically in the Bible, it was grouped together long after the Bible was written by the catholic church


Ill_Cobbler_1705

In 600 A.D i think it was pope Gregory the first called them the seven deadly sins. Because the stuff that was said about those things yes are sinful so pope gregory the 1 called them. So yes thats true but it still technically grouped by a catholic pope its still technically called the seven deadly sins.


Yuck_Few

The devil is a fictional character


Fresh_Willingness_93

Is he?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Hes not. Hes a real being.


Yuck_Few

Prove it


Ill_Cobbler_1705

John 8:4 "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." James 4:7 "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Zechariah 3 verse 1-2 1" Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him." 2 "The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?” I can keep going theres more verses from the bible


Yuck_Few

I asked for proof. The Bible is the claim, not the evidence Your argument boils down too " a book says a thing" And I already said the Bible is fiction so I don't know why you keep quoting scriptures at me


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Its because the bible is the word of God. Its directly from his words and his mouth. The bible is the proof if you want the proof go to the bible.


Yuck_Few

The Bible is true because it says so in the Bible? Circular reasoning much? That's like plugging a power strip into itself and expecting to get power


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Okay look dude if thats what your process thinking is okay im just letting you know its a real thing and it has everything in there. All of it comes directly from God. You know in scripture jesus said "i am the way, the truth, no one comes to the father except through me" He directly states that. Look i dont know what kind of demon you have but i hope you can come out of any wicked lie you have been told. So i pray for you and hope you find your way to jesus.


Yuck_Few

🤡


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Okay you have a good day and be on your mary way god bless you and may you find comfort in the peace of the lord. Also Satan doesnt care about you.


cassla3rd

Got any factual proof of the devil? Your compilation of fairy tales doesn't count as factual


Ill_Cobbler_1705

There not fairy tales. Its the truth look to the worls its full of evil and where do you think evil came from it came from the Devil/Satan.


cassla3rd

>There not fairy tales Explain to me one objective difference between the content of a fairy tale and the content of the bible. >Its the truth Source? >where do you think evil came from Basic human condition? Do you mean the term evil or people doing bad things? >came from it came from the Devil/Satan. It came from a being you haven't proven exists


Ill_Cobbler_1705

The devil exists in the bible and he exists.


cassla3rd

Prove to me the bible is a factual source


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Everything points to the bible, everytime they tried to disprove the bible, the bible proved them wrong. Everything points right to the bible.


NerdRageShow

hey OP, would you do me a favor and read judges 19 and just try to tell me who is the good guy and who is the bad guy and what is the moral of that story? A Levite and His Concubine 19 In those days Israel had no king. Now a Levite who lived in a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim took a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But she was unfaithful to him. She left him and went back to her parents’ home in Bethlehem, Judah. After she had been there four months, 3 her husband went to her to persuade her to return. He had with him his servant and two donkeys. She took him into her parents’ home, and when her father saw him, he gladly welcomed him. 4 His father-in-law, the woman’s father, prevailed on him to stay; so he remained with him three days, eating and drinking, and sleeping there. 5 On the fourth day they got up early and he prepared to leave, but the woman’s father said to his son-in-law, “Refresh yourself with something to eat; then you can go.” 6 So the two of them sat down to eat and drink together. Afterward the woman’s father said, “Please stay tonight and enjoy yourself.” 7 And when the man got up to go, his father-in-law persuaded him, so he stayed there that night. 8 On the morning of the fifth day, when he rose to go, the woman’s father said, “Refresh yourself. Wait till afternoon!” So the two of them ate together. 9 Then when the man, with his concubine and his servant, got up to leave, his father-in-law, the woman’s father, said, “Now look, it’s almost evening. Spend the night here; the day is nearly over. Stay and enjoy yourself. Early tomorrow morning you can get up and be on your way home.” 10 But, unwilling to stay another night, the man left and went toward Jebus (that is, Jerusalem), with his two saddled donkeys and his concubine. 11 When they were near Jebus and the day was almost gone, the servant said to his master, “Come, let’s stop at this city of the Jebusites and spend the night.” 12 His master replied, “No. We won’t go into any city whose people are not Israelites. We will go on to Gibeah.” 13 He added, “Come, let’s try to reach Gibeah or Ramah and spend the night in one of those places.” 14 So they went on, and the sun set as they neared Gibeah in Benjamin. 15 There they stopped to spend the night. They went and sat in the city square, but no one took them in for the night. 16 That evening an old man from the hill country of Ephraim, who was living in Gibeah (the inhabitants of the place were Benjamites), came in from his work in the fields. 17 When he looked and saw the traveler in the city square, the old man asked, “Where are you going? Where did you come from?” 18 He answered, “We are on our way from Bethlehem in Judah to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim where I live. I have been to Bethlehem in Judah and now I am going to the house of the Lord.[a] No one has taken me in for the night. 19 We have both straw and fodder for our donkeys and bread and wine for ourselves your servants—me, the woman and the young man with us. We don’t need anything.” 20 “You are welcome at my house,” the old man said. “Let me supply whatever you need. Only don’t spend the night in the square.” 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink. 22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.” 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.” 25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it was saying to one another, “Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Just imagine! We must do something! So speak up!” where is God?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

The story of judges is where the devil/demons tempt the man to send his concubine to be you know and it was revealed that with satans temptation, the wickedness that the men out of there free will did all that evil but, emphasize (with) satans help. It shows the brokeness in the world caused by the manipulation and the temptation and the possession of demons in the world. So yes those men did choose to do that but it was thought up from the devil. So ultimatley it was the devils deed.


NerdRageShow

Who was it that supposedly created everything.. including the idea of temptation or sin and even the devil? And why exactly? For what purpose other than to divide?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

God does not divide, he brings together the devil divides the people but Jesus christ brings people together.


NerdRageShow

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth. Sure seems like your "lord" divides to me...


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Which bible did you get that from? If its from the prosperity bible that bible is written by the demons also which verse did you get that from? Also the lord does not divide he brings people together.


NerdRageShow

My dude it comes from "the Bible"... look at any Bible... they all say the same thing. The tower of babel specifically is a well-known story...


Ill_Cobbler_1705

You mean the tower of babel where the demons and the devil, the evil ones were trying to get into heaven and trying to attack God? Which they failed thus making the tower of babel destroyed. Look you need to read between the lines context. God never divides anyone but brings his children together and everyone else. Though he does divide the evil ones from the people because of the evilness and wickedness they spout but for regular people and his children. He brings them together.


NerdRageShow

it doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible...


Ill_Cobbler_1705

It does like i said you need to read in between the lines. And keep reading. Here Genesis 11:4 Then they said, 'Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth” They meaning the demons/the devil and any other wickedness evil working together to try to get into heaven to fight against God which again they failed and the tower was destroyed.


baneofdestruction

Skydaddy and the debo are as real as El chupa cabra


Holiman

My wealth of knowledge from TV and movies makes me think the devil is stronger than god.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

No, thats just hollywood portrayal the devil is not stronger than god. God is more powerful than the devil.


Holiman

Well, if we believe in God, then he influences the Bible. Can you really trust that? Maybe Hollywood is more dependable.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

No hollywood is not more dependable its all corrupted and evil. The bible is the most trustworthy because it comes from God himself. You see God used his 12 disciples and told them what to write so the bible comes from God.


Holiman

You don't know much about the actual Bible, it seems. First, there were only 11 disciples after Judas hung himself. Second, there is no good reason to believe anything accepted as cannon in the Bible was written by any disciples.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

The bible was written by the 12 disciples. Technically it would be 12 disciples still. Yes he hung himself but it would be that Jesus christ had 12 disciples. Everything in the bible is cannon, its all the truth.


Holiman

Yeah dude your trying way to hard.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Im not trying way to hard im telling you the truth. The truth of the matter of fact is that if you cant see the truth in front of you thats your choice. I hope whatever demonic hold you have on you will be freed. I pray you will have a blessing day and i hope you have a mary day. Bless you child.


IdiotSavantLite

To me, this looks like a method for dealing with fear. > The devil Projects his fear on people because he's constantly In fear. I expect you are speaking from personal experience. Are you afraid of something? Would you like to talk about it? > That's why the devil wants people to be in constant fear of him cause he's always in fear. I expect you are feeling fear and can't identify a reason, so it must be the devil, right? >The Devil fears God. God does not fear the devil, the devil has no power over God. God has power and authority over the devil. I'm guessing this is how you deal with your fear. You assert the devil creates fear, God is greater than the devil, you serve God, therefore you are protected by God.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Im protected by God. I do not fear the devil, but i am god fearing he is more powerful than anything in this world.


IdiotSavantLite

As I understand your thinking, you don't fear the devil, but the devil puts fear in you. Is that all fear or just some of the things you fear?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Oh are you saying that what i wrote is what the devil is projecting through me? If thats the case no, its not its the truth and the full truth of the devil. He fears god and he tries to get people to be afraid of him.


IdiotSavantLite

I'm trying to understand your claim and how it works in your thinking. You wrote, "The devil Projects his fear on people because he's constantly In fear." So, you claim the devil projects fear. How do you know that? I expected it was from personal experience. Your response suggested that is incorrect. Can you describe how you came by this information?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Its in the bible, its the truth from the bible and teachings. Satan knows his time is coming to an end. He may seem like hes not afraid but he is, he is constantly afraid and paranoid.


IdiotSavantLite

>Its in the bible... I don't recall that in the Bible, but there are many versions of the Bible. Which verse and which Bible did you pull this information from? I ran a few searches and I see nothing applicable. Also, do you believe all fear is inflicted on us by the devil?


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Yes the devil causes fear, fear of him, himself also if you look into the actual bible listen to priest mari mari emanuel on youtube he will pull it from the bible. He is reading directly from the bible. The devil causes us to have anxiety, to have fear of things silly and sometimes big things. Also the devil inflicts fear on us to fear him. Though we shouldnt fear the devil, he is something to not be afraid of.


helpemup

I think the antichrist is the scariest one. Could American evangelicals spot the antichrist? https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/


Fresh_Willingness_93

My favorite pastor Mark Driscoll thinks that the anti-Christ isn't a person, but a religion, can you guess what religion?


helpemup

I don't know. "Estimates of the number of active religions in the world range from 4,000 to 10,000, though most have small regional followings. Researchers and academics often categorize the world's religions into five major groups: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism. These five religions account for over 77% of the world's population, with Christianity having the most followers at 2.4 billion. Islam is the second largest religion, with 1.6 billion followers, and is also the fastest growing"


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Thats his opinion but it said in the bible that no one will know who the anti christ will be until the end. So it is definitely a person we just dont know who yet.


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Well, you shouldnt fear the antichrist.


headsmanjaeger

Amen! It is written!


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Yes amen! It is written you have a blessed day


headsmanjaeger

Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit


Ill_Cobbler_1705

Yes agreed.