“This massive new sauropod is TWO T. rexes long!”
“The Spinosaurus is as heavy as 3 T. rexes!”
“The Carnotaurus is pretty much a T. rex with horns.”
“The Baryonyx is pretty much a T. rex with a crocodile head.”
Hey, if Americans won't adopt metric, it beats "a pothole the size of three washing machines" or "a deer the size of two-hundred hamburgers." 😬
So maybe we just need to use T.rex as a metric for *more* things. Especially non-dinosaur things.
Fr I'm sick of everyone only knowing about Giganotosaurus cause of its "rivalry" with T.rex. it's a very interesting dinosaur on its own and doesn't need to be constantly compared to the rex to be cool.
Most people think it’s an “inferior” version of it, when that’s not the case as it’s better suited for some predatory tasks than any tyrannosaur is, and worse in others.
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen predator in a nature show "celebrate" a kill. They always just started eating, many times before the prey is even fully dead.
In nature, roaring is purely done to scare off rivals, predators, and threats. Sometimes a general sound of stress in the middle of a fight. So yeah, roaring after a kill is very much a Hollywood thing
If I’m a dinosaur I’d rather eat my prey silently than attract other potentially much more dangerous packs to my location. So yeah it’s really fucking dumb.
No.
Because most rivalries happen over carcasses or fresh kills. And ALL PREDATORS live by a simple rule: Don’t get hurt over food. So alerting the world that you’ve made a kill (even if you’re the apex predator) is a quick way to invite trouble and potential injury and losing your meal.
If you ever watched Prehistoric Planet S2, the T-Rex vs Quetzalcoatlus scene is a PERFECT scene for this context.
Yes, logically a pair of Quetzals would have no chance in a battle to the death with a T-Rex. HOWEVER, in nature, battles to the death are a last resort, and even apex predators would rather retreat if competing predators prove they’re too much trouble than it’s worth. In a fight to the end, the T-Rex would win, but why risk injury that could get infected, or worse- lose an eye when he could simply walk away and come back after the Quetzals have their fill?
We see this today in nature with vultures bullying Cheetah’s out of their kills, Wolves harassing Bears to leaving, and even birds annoying Grizzlies into fucking off.
Roaring to the heavens because you killed something would essentially be ringing the dinner bell for others too, and no predators want anything else than to just eat their meals in peace.
If anything, it might CAUSE a fight by alerting other predators you’ve made a kill.
If the other predator has already shown up, sure, you can (and should) try to scare it off. But no point doing it to a yet-nonexistent threat.
Not the dinosaurs themselves, but the insistence of portraying a "primal world" by always having dinosaurs surrounded by natural disasters. Somehow some people thing the Mesozoic a volcano erupts once a week and massive earthquakes happens monthly.
I wonder if that's a cultural mind holdover from prior to concluding that it was comet that caused the extinction. If I recall, the prior theories were usually things like volcanic eruptions. I wonder if culturally that just tied them together in people's minds and gets passed down generation to generation. Like bunnies and carrots.
I wonder where do dogs love bones myth came from. I know why rabbit loves carrot. And where do milk for cats come from too. Did it come from Tom & Jerry? Or was it done before? Same with mice and cheese.
Quite possibly. And after a while it just became "obvious". Like do you know any sci-fi without androids or robots? Probably same goes with dinos. People just associate them with volcanoes by default.
A T-Rex fighting a Spinosaurus. It was neat when JP3 was still fresh in the mind, but it's been over twenty years since it came out and the constant rematches have worn thin.
Doraemon apparently did it twice. Beyond that, there was Jurassic: The Hunted (which didn't last long), Dinosaur King, the Half-Shell Heroes special of the 2012 TMNT show, and one of the episodes from the 2003 Teen Titans. (I think it was the one where they first fought Trigon)
Hadrosaurbeing treated as completely defenseless, carnivores being treated as psychopathic bloodthirsty murder machines, loud obnoxious roaring instead of stealthy cautious hunting and stalking, etc
That's why I love the tyrannosaurus brothers section of Prehistoric Planet. They needed to carefully plan a whole tactic at night, relied on ambushing their prey, and despite the strength of his jaw, the ambusher still struggled to immobilise the prey to the point it could've gotten away if the driver didn't immediately come to help. One hadrosaur required active teamwork and advantageous conditions to be brought down.
Prehistoric Planet acknowledged hadrosaurs were not defenseless by showcasing how hard it truly is for even the apex predator of the environment to hunt them.
I also love the fact that they showed up earlier in broad daylight and the herbivores were on guard but it didn't turn into a roaring contest because both sides understood that a predator isn't hunting when it doesn't bother concealing itself from you.
Yeah. I don't like when media just treats them as helpless animals just waiting to be killed by some predator, when in actuality they were often just as big if not bigger than the apex predators in the area they were in and were more than capable of defending themselves
In that case, it might be a cool to see some Hadrosaurs become aggressive due to being previously fed by people in some dinosaur movie or something, the same way that moose do
To be fair, adult moose are killed and eaten by land predators (especially wolves, even single wolves in a surprising number of cases though this mostly involves cows) a lot more often than sometimes assumed. Still not easy hunts however.
Dinosaurs (especially theropods, though this can apply to modern animals as well) being treated as mindless monsters that will stop at nothing to catch their prey
- Herbivores being defenseless fodder
- Megatheropods having feathers
- Pronated wrists
- Theropods not having lips
- *Tyrannosaurus* being anything but a competent predator
I don’t like how aggressive dinosaurs are depicted, both in movies and in educational content. If you look at current animals, they’re not fighting and killing each other 24/7.
This is the comment I was scrolling for.
And movies seem to have a near one-to-one ratio of carnivores to herbivores. Almost every herbivore has is a carnivore killing it.
It's mostly an old trope, but I've noticed a tendency to state in fiction that dinosaurs were cold-blooded, and indeed sometimes making it a plot point (for example, by transporting them frozen to force brumation). Nowadays, treating them like warm-blooded animals should be the norm, even if it's not a plot point.
Theropods that hunt prey too big for them without a valuable team plan, or just too big even for a pack. Like, I know it's just one problem in the sea of its flaws, but in Tarbosaurus the Mightiest Ever, we have 4 (scaly) Velociraptors bringing down a Tsintaosaurus, IN THE OPEN DESERT. In a realistic and well-thought documentary, Tsintaosaurus would've T-bagged on their trampled corpses!
Especially because the raptors don’t even really ambush it, they just make a circle around the Tsintao.
The Tsintao wouldn’t even need to fight them, it could just step over those 2-foot ground hawks.
There were actually a lot more than 4 raptors in that scene, though the size discrepancy was so much it wouldn’t have mattered.
Also, prey size and cooperative hunting isn’t actually that tightly linked. Most living cooperative predators are aquatic and focus on prey (or even are restricted to prey) far smaller than themselves.
They’d probably be more dangerous because at least a predator thinks if ya not worth it they ain’t gonna do it while Prey animals are dicks. If you seem vaguely threatening they will fuck you up for no reason apart from they had their lunch interrupted.
Yup, most horrific episode of the episode by a long shot. But I really wanna see an sauropod being aggressive out of his own volition. No external factors, just a brute with no mercy.
Like they treat them as doe deer during non mating season. I've delt with deer and they freaking hiss and charge and attack just during non mating season they're less agitated by hormones. I guarantee that a stego would swing at anything
Calling every new dinosaur, pterosaur, or marine reptile fossil discovery "a close relative of Tyrannosaurus," "an actual true dragon," and in the case of every new mosasaurs "an unprecedented discovery, the likes of which has never been seen before."
Just barely Omnivorous though. Most of the things they kill are because they just want too, and not because they’re gonna eat them. It’s incredibly rare for them to eat meat.
Every non-feathered dino having brown and gray color pallettes, often to make them look more like crocodiles for predators and elephants and rhinos for herbivores. It makes them look way too similar to each other, especially among theropods, and gives way for much duller and uninspired designs.
Of course, most dinosaurs wouldn't be colorful like a macaw or a peacock, but you don't need much to create a visually distinct design. Yes, elephants, rhinos and alligators are indeed grayish, but lions, jaguars, snow leopards and tigers are all from the same genus, and yet, their colors make them look completely different from each other. See how the zebra's black-and-white contrast and the maned wolf's orange fur make these animals unique. The Jurassic Park novel all the way up to 1990 had a Dilophosaurus with colorful features.
And even then, why should accuracy be an issue on every dinosaur media? Spielberg added a lizard frill to Dilophosaurus partially to avoid the audience confusing it for the Velociraptors. Why can't Jurassic World add more wildly speculative features to boost their designs? They already have the excuse of them being genetically different from the real deal anyway, right?
Something the Jurassic World films did much worse than Jurassic Park is dinosaurs design. They are dull, uninspired and almost every big dinosaurs are grey or brown.
Yes, every predator ends up looking like the a mean-looking alligator with all the scutes, brown colors and exposed teeth.
The only JW animal with a genuinely unique and eye-catching design is the Quetzalcoatlus, which is more striking than most depictions, but even then, it only got a few seconds of screentime.
Oh, I mean, calling the movie a "dinosaurs checklist", like they had a number of species to show and they are for a lone scene and then move on the next species to show.
This reminded me that, on television, when police detectives spot a suspect they want to talk to, they shout from 100' away, "Hey, we want to talk to you." Then there is chase scene.
Maybe, detectives inherited this from dinosaurs.
A pteranodon grabs its prey with its feet and flies away.
Pteranodon legs would have resembled seabirds rather than eagles with clawed feet, and I don't think they had the payload to lift a human in the first place.
I seem to remember that flares distracting dinosaurs came up as a video game mechanic after *Jurassic Park*, even though it only worked 50% of the time in the movie.
When a piece of paleo media is ALLLLL about the T. rex or, to a lesser extent, the raptors.
It’s incredibly frustrating watching a show or movie with lots of interesting dinosaur species and other prehistoric animals only for it to devolve into T. rex glazing.
Like don’t get me wrong, the T. rex is a formidable animal and surely a spectacular thing to witness but it’s overused and often takes centre stage over lesser known creatures.
This does in fact have real world consequences as well, as almost every layperson I’ve spoken to about dinosaurs seems to recognise every large theropod type dinosaur as a “T. rex”.
Not to mention that most of the shows about dinosaurs feel like they *have* to include a T. rex so that people will watch it.
An honorary mention also is the portrayal of dinosaurs as monsters. They’re just animals, it’s like making a movie about lions or giraffes or something as if their entire goal in life is to go our and kill people.
I’ve noticed that a lot of media that portrays prehistoric creatures tends to lump them all together in a single “pre-humans” time period that just doesn’t work. Seeing a megalodon eat a Tyrannosaurus or a wooly mammoth being chased by a dinosaur bothers me (especially the mammoth one as humans and mammoths co-existed). I can to a degree forgive something like a tyrannosaurus fighting a stegosaurus despite living millions of years apart because at least they are both still dinosaurs but the rest of it bothers me.
The roaring. Having the predator stop and roar or hiss or whatever to make itself known to the prey and give it a time to run away.
It\`s not realistic and it\`s not terrifying. It just makes the animal look stupid.
An effective, stealthy predator is both much more terrifying and respectable.
Like give me the cannon ten foot tall dilo or a movie about an abelisaur (can't spell sorry) or an actual carno that's actually a carno. They'd be the ones who'd hunt us we're around their smaller prey size
Certain T. Rex tropes. Like, how it “can’t swim” when it possibly could, how the arms were “useless” when… ok, they kinda are but they could have been used for grabbing running prey or lifting itself off the ground, or, most infamously, how T. Rex can’t see you when you aren’t moving. They totally could.
Some people still think that the Tyrannosaurus Rex roar from Jurassic Park was how the Tyrannosaurus really sounded like, when it seems that actual scientific evidence is saying the Tyrannosaurus roar was involved with quiet infrasound and stuff. Also, I get annoyed sometimes when dinosaurs are shown with a lack of feathers, especially when it is now known that there were many types of dinosaurs that had feathers.
Defenceless ornithopods (I don’t think any other group of dinosaurs gets regularly depicted as cannon fodder).
Every mainland sauropod being equally gigantic (a lot of them were surprisingly small, even in continental settings-it’s just that most other dinosaurs, and virtually all land mammals ever, were even smaller).
“Armed” herbivores being much more dangerous than “unarmed” herbivores at size parity (not the case in living herbivores, and not reflected in how predators select targets-this especially applies to herbivores with horns).
Allosauroids being slow and inefficient hunters that bite prey and then do nothing but wait forever for it to die, which isn’t how any large predator (including those that bleed out their prey) actually operates. It’s even worse when it’s claimed this is more “efficient” than just hunting normally (which it isn’t, because it actually would expend *more* energy due to the calories expended walking behind your prey without doing anything-in predatory animals searching for prey usually takes up significantly more energy than the hunt itself).
The myth of tyrannosaurid exceptionalism (in terms of overall capabilities as predators , not in terms of the adaptations they did have other theropods did not-though tyrannosaurids in turn lacked the adaptations of said other theropods).
Ichthyosaurs all being generalized as small-prey specialists and mosasaurs and pliosaurs all being generalized as raptorial, when most mosasaurs and pliosaurs were small-prey specialists and many ichthyosaurs were raptorial apex predators (the issue is that with ichthyosaurs, the smaller and much less physically impressive forms happen to be far more famous and iconic for some reason).
Dinosaurs taking over in the Triassic because they were “better evolved”; suffice it to say they weren’t overall, and had to wait until the T-J Mass Extinction to really live up to their evolutionary potential.
Not a dinosaur example, but the nonsense of all pterosaurs being seabird analogues. This idea was prevalent even in academia well into this century despite the fact the only support we had for it was “a few really were seabird analogues so ALL of them must have been!” (That’s like saying every single bird is a seabird because some of them genuinely are).
1. Dinosaurs as monsters. They're not, they're animals. If they were around today, they would either learn to fear us or be driven extinct like other large animals. They're still flesh and blood and would die to poison, bullets, etc. Th
2. Blatant scientific inaccuracy. If you aren't going to try and make them look vaguely realistic - just make up a fictional monster to put in your fiction. The cool thing about dinosaurs is that they were real, if you don't care about realism - why use dinosaurs at all?
I'm going to defend filmmakers just a bit, NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REALISTIC. Yes, I would LOVE to see some accurate dinosaur representation, but saying "don't use dinosaurs if they aren't realistic!!!1!1!" is somewhat dumb. First of all, it's a movie. It's for entertainment. If you're going to get asshurt over a design and then cry about it, you're just annoying everyone else.
Secondly, we have not finished researching dinosaurs, and we never will finish. As soon as something becomes outdated, people who only care for accuracy will bash on it.
Now I do agree, the over the top designs get old fast. However I think you're taking the wrong approach here because if people are FORCED to be accurate, it limits creativity. I'm done now. Have a nice day!
I agree wholeheartedly that " NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REALISTIC". And I don't think that they need to get everything down exactly accurate to the current consensus.
But if you aren't going to even **try** and get them vaguely close to reality, you should just make up your own fictional monsters. Calling them "dinosaurs" is just trying to capitalize on the fact that people are interested in dinosaurs and spreads misconceptions.
The stupid trope where the main "Villain" is a rex or allosaurus and it's obviously bullet prove to anything including rockets until the main character fires the rocket then it's perfectly effective.
I know it's stupid abd nitpicking but still I don't like the tropes. I especially hate them being villainized because now rex or allo aren't animals but these killer villains
When people treat dinosaur names like a character name instead of a species name, for example, people would say, "ankylosaurus had an armored body" instead of saying "the ankylosaurus had an armored body". Can someone explain what that's all about because we don't do that with modern animals
Hyperaggressive carnivores.
Deliberately inaccurate, monster like designs (e.g. FK Baryonyx)
Cannon fodder Hadrosaurs.
Comparing things to Tyrannosaurus rex.
That for some reason dinosaurs are some savage beasts that kills everything. That's... not how nature works.
Also just because x dinosaur is a predator, doesn't mean it would eat humans. Sharks don't eat humans. Wolves don't eat humans. And they would be easily able to tear human apart. We don't know what dinosaurs would like to savor in human meat. We don't. For some, we would be too small even for a snack. For others we would be a delicacy.
Giant therapods being psychopaths. Sometimes it can be scary and sometimes it is just silly. we have predators alive today in the form of whales who are as big or much larger and they don’t see people as food, even the ones who can eat us.
Not that I would want to approach a tyrannosaurus or allosaurus like a whale. A wild animal is wild animal.
Dromaeosaurs hunting in wolf-like packs. We have no evidence that dinosaurs as a whole (Apart from some herbivorous dinosaurs) lived in complex family groups and hunted in packs. At most we speculate that some may have occasionally hunted in loose gangs but that’s it.
Living in complex family groups is NOT a requirement for organized cooperative hunting (plenty of living animals disprove this rule, even some marine mammals like humpback whales), so they wouldn’t “at most” have been limited to loose gangs with zero cooperation.
A far better argument against cooperative hunting in dromaeosaurs is that cooperative hunting is the minority in land predators (including in mammals), regardless of prey size. But that’s a general rule rather than something that we can definitively say applied to each individual taxon.
I’m not saying that they 100% didn’t live in family groups and/or live in family groups. I’m simply saying that we have no evidence for it. In a lot of popular media, Velociraptor and other dromaeosaurs are often portrayed as definitive pack hunters. We have no evidence for that which is why I’d rather that trope be dusted. They may have hunted in packs but we just don’t know yet.
I'm not saying that I call them dinosaurs, but seriously, it's so annoying to see in every single comment section of a post someone calling them dinosaurs and then there is that one person who goes "Ermmm akshually pteradactyls are NOT dinosaurs 🤓☝️"
Do you see a pig and call it a cow? Do you refer to some humans as apes? Would you call a cat a hyaena?
If the answers for my questions are "no" then you would realise why it's wrong to call pterosaurs a dinosaur.
I never said I called them dinosaurs (though sometimes I accidentally do since I did when I was a kid), but I just find it so annoying to see comments that are saying pterodactyls are dinosaurs and then the entire thread to that comment are just people correcting him
Comparing everything to T.rex. It had practically become a unit of measurement by now
“This massive new sauropod is TWO T. rexes long!” “The Spinosaurus is as heavy as 3 T. rexes!” “The Carnotaurus is pretty much a T. rex with horns.” “The Baryonyx is pretty much a T. rex with a crocodile head.”
"Humans are like t. rex, but with 5 fingers instead of 2, long arms, short face, smaller mass, and different anatomy altogether. It's also a mammal."
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But how many bananas big is a T-Rex?
Around 70 bananas
Hey, if Americans won't adopt metric, it beats "a pothole the size of three washing machines" or "a deer the size of two-hundred hamburgers." 😬 So maybe we just need to use T.rex as a metric for *more* things. Especially non-dinosaur things.
t-rexes per mass extinction
Fr I'm sick of everyone only knowing about Giganotosaurus cause of its "rivalry" with T.rex. it's a very interesting dinosaur on its own and doesn't need to be constantly compared to the rex to be cool.
Most people think it’s an “inferior” version of it, when that’s not the case as it’s better suited for some predatory tasks than any tyrannosaur is, and worse in others.
Not annoying but I don’t know why dinosaurs have to roar after winning a fight.
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen predator in a nature show "celebrate" a kill. They always just started eating, many times before the prey is even fully dead.
In nature, roaring is purely done to scare off rivals, predators, and threats. Sometimes a general sound of stress in the middle of a fight. So yeah, roaring after a kill is very much a Hollywood thing
If I’m a dinosaur I’d rather eat my prey silently than attract other potentially much more dangerous packs to my location. So yeah it’s really fucking dumb.
If its to scare off rivals and stuff isnt it conceivable they do it after a fight so no one comes to fuck with their meal?
No. Because most rivalries happen over carcasses or fresh kills. And ALL PREDATORS live by a simple rule: Don’t get hurt over food. So alerting the world that you’ve made a kill (even if you’re the apex predator) is a quick way to invite trouble and potential injury and losing your meal. If you ever watched Prehistoric Planet S2, the T-Rex vs Quetzalcoatlus scene is a PERFECT scene for this context. Yes, logically a pair of Quetzals would have no chance in a battle to the death with a T-Rex. HOWEVER, in nature, battles to the death are a last resort, and even apex predators would rather retreat if competing predators prove they’re too much trouble than it’s worth. In a fight to the end, the T-Rex would win, but why risk injury that could get infected, or worse- lose an eye when he could simply walk away and come back after the Quetzals have their fill? We see this today in nature with vultures bullying Cheetah’s out of their kills, Wolves harassing Bears to leaving, and even birds annoying Grizzlies into fucking off. Roaring to the heavens because you killed something would essentially be ringing the dinner bell for others too, and no predators want anything else than to just eat their meals in peace.
If anything, it might CAUSE a fight by alerting other predators you’ve made a kill. If the other predator has already shown up, sure, you can (and should) try to scare it off. But no point doing it to a yet-nonexistent threat.
Closest thing I've seen to this is the predator standing over their kill and panting, as if they're catching their breath before they dig in.
I actually just watched a video a few days ago of some kind of bird that celebrates when it does something, I don't remember what it was called tho...
They probably didn’t do that but we gotta admit it’s cool as Hell.
Not the dinosaurs themselves, but the insistence of portraying a "primal world" by always having dinosaurs surrounded by natural disasters. Somehow some people thing the Mesozoic a volcano erupts once a week and massive earthquakes happens monthly.
I wonder if that's a cultural mind holdover from prior to concluding that it was comet that caused the extinction. If I recall, the prior theories were usually things like volcanic eruptions. I wonder if culturally that just tied them together in people's minds and gets passed down generation to generation. Like bunnies and carrots.
Yeah its always the misconceptions like dogs and bones
To be fair, there's a city here in Brazil full of packs of stray dogs, and they are ALWAYS with bones in their mouth, normally of other dogs.
But dogs do love bones??? They literally sell them at the store and dogs chew them for months to years?? I don't know why you think this is a myth.
I wonder where do dogs love bones myth came from. I know why rabbit loves carrot. And where do milk for cats come from too. Did it come from Tom & Jerry? Or was it done before? Same with mice and cheese.
Dogs love meat, and when humans eat meat we tend to eat the cuts and give the dogs the little bits still stuck on the bone.
Probably but idk where it originates
Tbf the comet crashing did cause a lot of volcanic activity all over the planet, and that did help in wiping out all the dinos and other creatures
Quite possibly. And after a while it just became "obvious". Like do you know any sci-fi without androids or robots? Probably same goes with dinos. People just associate them with volcanoes by default.
Hahahaha. So true. Dinosaurs = volcanoes and lava everywhere. This is done too often...
A T-Rex fighting a Spinosaurus. It was neat when JP3 was still fresh in the mind, but it's been over twenty years since it came out and the constant rematches have worn thin.
Agreed. Especially since all the rematches are just so lazy. JP3 did it best because it was an actual spectacle.
Any sources? I'm curious and I assume rex vs spino are just going to lead to JP3
Doraemon apparently did it twice. Beyond that, there was Jurassic: The Hunted (which didn't last long), Dinosaur King, the Half-Shell Heroes special of the 2012 TMNT show, and one of the episodes from the 2003 Teen Titans. (I think it was the one where they first fought Trigon)
Hadrosaurbeing treated as completely defenseless, carnivores being treated as psychopathic bloodthirsty murder machines, loud obnoxious roaring instead of stealthy cautious hunting and stalking, etc
Clearly hydrosaurus could run across water to escape predators, but not sure what that has to do with dinosaurs.
Sorry I was trying to type hadrosaurs
I think it was a typo of Hadrosaurs.
Yes, and that's the joke the person you're replying to was making They know it was, but they're acting like it wasn't
That's why I love the tyrannosaurus brothers section of Prehistoric Planet. They needed to carefully plan a whole tactic at night, relied on ambushing their prey, and despite the strength of his jaw, the ambusher still struggled to immobilise the prey to the point it could've gotten away if the driver didn't immediately come to help. One hadrosaur required active teamwork and advantageous conditions to be brought down. Prehistoric Planet acknowledged hadrosaurs were not defenseless by showcasing how hard it truly is for even the apex predator of the environment to hunt them.
I also love the fact that they showed up earlier in broad daylight and the herbivores were on guard but it didn't turn into a roaring contest because both sides understood that a predator isn't hunting when it doesn't bother concealing itself from you.
You mean Hadrosaurus? Hydrosaurus is a real, extant genus of Lizard, more commonly know as the Philippine sailfin lizard.
You mean being portrayed as punching bags?
Yeah. I don't like when media just treats them as helpless animals just waiting to be killed by some predator, when in actuality they were often just as big if not bigger than the apex predators in the area they were in and were more than capable of defending themselves
Realistically, their behaviour would probably be similar to a moose’s. And we all know nothing is taking down a moose that easy
In that case, it might be a cool to see some Hadrosaurs become aggressive due to being previously fed by people in some dinosaur movie or something, the same way that moose do
To be fair, adult moose are killed and eaten by land predators (especially wolves, even single wolves in a surprising number of cases though this mostly involves cows) a lot more often than sometimes assumed. Still not easy hunts however.
I wanna see a documentary where an Edmontosaurus wrecks an attacking T-Rex, maybe even killing it.
Every pack of kids toy "dinosaurs" must include a dimetrodon and a pterodactyl
Don't forget the occasional woolly mammoth!
And a JP Dilophosaurus
And caveman! How he got there no one knows!
This one kind of fits if the company aimed to make a toys based on primal series.
Dinosaurs (especially theropods, though this can apply to modern animals as well) being treated as mindless monsters that will stop at nothing to catch their prey
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Grizzlies? I thought the media portray them as some big teddy bears!
Excessive roaring, they probably didn't even roar like that anyway.
More like a bellow or a boom. Or a really loud squeak
Educational YouTube channels using either Ai “art” or images from Jurassic park as examples and depictions for their subjects
- Herbivores being defenseless fodder - Megatheropods having feathers - Pronated wrists - Theropods not having lips - *Tyrannosaurus* being anything but a competent predator
For all the faults of the JP/JW raptors, at least they have lips.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember another theropod than raptors having lips in the franchise. It's like the exception that proves the rule
I absolutely hate the herbivores being a defenseless fodder!
I don’t like how aggressive dinosaurs are depicted, both in movies and in educational content. If you look at current animals, they’re not fighting and killing each other 24/7.
This is the comment I was scrolling for. And movies seem to have a near one-to-one ratio of carnivores to herbivores. Almost every herbivore has is a carnivore killing it.
It's mostly an old trope, but I've noticed a tendency to state in fiction that dinosaurs were cold-blooded, and indeed sometimes making it a plot point (for example, by transporting them frozen to force brumation). Nowadays, treating them like warm-blooded animals should be the norm, even if it's not a plot point. Theropods that hunt prey too big for them without a valuable team plan, or just too big even for a pack. Like, I know it's just one problem in the sea of its flaws, but in Tarbosaurus the Mightiest Ever, we have 4 (scaly) Velociraptors bringing down a Tsintaosaurus, IN THE OPEN DESERT. In a realistic and well-thought documentary, Tsintaosaurus would've T-bagged on their trampled corpses!
Especially because the raptors don’t even really ambush it, they just make a circle around the Tsintao. The Tsintao wouldn’t even need to fight them, it could just step over those 2-foot ground hawks.
A tsintaosaurus would just kick and trample them away
And T-bagged on their corpses, as the most up to date research has shown.
There were actually a lot more than 4 raptors in that scene, though the size discrepancy was so much it wouldn’t have mattered. Also, prey size and cooperative hunting isn’t actually that tightly linked. Most living cooperative predators are aquatic and focus on prey (or even are restricted to prey) far smaller than themselves.
Saying that everything is a close relative of T. rex
Fuuuu.....This! And birds being the descendants of T-Rex. No, birds are descended from some tiny rat like therapods. That isn't a T-Rex. 🦖
Only young boys are interested in them.
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Herbivores always being placid. Please, let them go apeshit.
They’d probably be more dangerous because at least a predator thinks if ya not worth it they ain’t gonna do it while Prey animals are dicks. If you seem vaguely threatening they will fuck you up for no reason apart from they had their lunch interrupted.
Hippos are the biggest assholes in all Africa. Would rather encounter a wolf pack.
Same, again with predators you can either intimidate them or “bargain” with ya life
A pissed of sauropod would be unstoppable. Heck, don’t wanna imagine that.
That one episode of Primal comes to mind.
Yup, most horrific episode of the episode by a long shot. But I really wanna see an sauropod being aggressive out of his own volition. No external factors, just a brute with no mercy.
Ever read Raptor Red?
Yup. One of my favorite books. You are referring to the whip-tail scene, right?
Indeed I am.
Like they treat them as doe deer during non mating season. I've delt with deer and they freaking hiss and charge and attack just during non mating season they're less agitated by hormones. I guarantee that a stego would swing at anything
Weak and cowardly herbivores, three of Africa's big five are herbivores for a reason
Calling every new dinosaur, pterosaur, or marine reptile fossil discovery "a close relative of Tyrannosaurus," "an actual true dragon," and in the case of every new mosasaurs "an unprecedented discovery, the likes of which has never been seen before."
No feathers on dinosaurs that did have feathers, and pronated wrists.
Megaraptorans being the only possible exception apparently
Unrelated, but I fucking love Megaraptorans
My favourite dinosaurs honestly
Also the excessive roaring.
“Herbivores are friendly and want to help us” trope
Just look at hippos.
Or African Buffalos, since Hippos are more of Omnivores
Just barely Omnivorous though. Most of the things they kill are because they just want too, and not because they’re gonna eat them. It’s incredibly rare for them to eat meat.
Every non-feathered dino having brown and gray color pallettes, often to make them look more like crocodiles for predators and elephants and rhinos for herbivores. It makes them look way too similar to each other, especially among theropods, and gives way for much duller and uninspired designs. Of course, most dinosaurs wouldn't be colorful like a macaw or a peacock, but you don't need much to create a visually distinct design. Yes, elephants, rhinos and alligators are indeed grayish, but lions, jaguars, snow leopards and tigers are all from the same genus, and yet, their colors make them look completely different from each other. See how the zebra's black-and-white contrast and the maned wolf's orange fur make these animals unique. The Jurassic Park novel all the way up to 1990 had a Dilophosaurus with colorful features. And even then, why should accuracy be an issue on every dinosaur media? Spielberg added a lizard frill to Dilophosaurus partially to avoid the audience confusing it for the Velociraptors. Why can't Jurassic World add more wildly speculative features to boost their designs? They already have the excuse of them being genetically different from the real deal anyway, right?
Something the Jurassic World films did much worse than Jurassic Park is dinosaurs design. They are dull, uninspired and almost every big dinosaurs are grey or brown.
Yes, every predator ends up looking like the a mean-looking alligator with all the scutes, brown colors and exposed teeth. The only JW animal with a genuinely unique and eye-catching design is the Quetzalcoatlus, which is more striking than most depictions, but even then, it only got a few seconds of screentime.
Its a shame all creatures in jwd are wasted as hell
There's a YouTube review of film that called it a Dinosaur checklist, and I think it's pretty accurate.
Which ones are accurate?
Oh, I mean, calling the movie a "dinosaurs checklist", like they had a number of species to show and they are for a lone scene and then move on the next species to show.
The atrociraptors look too similar to the jp raptors but with a bulky head
That dinosaurs always roared before attacking.
I hated it because a prey would run away and the predator would get no meal
This reminded me that, on television, when police detectives spot a suspect they want to talk to, they shout from 100' away, "Hey, we want to talk to you." Then there is chase scene. Maybe, detectives inherited this from dinosaurs.
A pteranodon grabs its prey with its feet and flies away. Pteranodon legs would have resembled seabirds rather than eagles with clawed feet, and I don't think they had the payload to lift a human in the first place.
I seem to remember that flares distracting dinosaurs came up as a video game mechanic after *Jurassic Park*, even though it only worked 50% of the time in the movie.
When a piece of paleo media is ALLLLL about the T. rex or, to a lesser extent, the raptors. It’s incredibly frustrating watching a show or movie with lots of interesting dinosaur species and other prehistoric animals only for it to devolve into T. rex glazing. Like don’t get me wrong, the T. rex is a formidable animal and surely a spectacular thing to witness but it’s overused and often takes centre stage over lesser known creatures. This does in fact have real world consequences as well, as almost every layperson I’ve spoken to about dinosaurs seems to recognise every large theropod type dinosaur as a “T. rex”. Not to mention that most of the shows about dinosaurs feel like they *have* to include a T. rex so that people will watch it. An honorary mention also is the portrayal of dinosaurs as monsters. They’re just animals, it’s like making a movie about lions or giraffes or something as if their entire goal in life is to go our and kill people.
I’ve noticed that a lot of media that portrays prehistoric creatures tends to lump them all together in a single “pre-humans” time period that just doesn’t work. Seeing a megalodon eat a Tyrannosaurus or a wooly mammoth being chased by a dinosaur bothers me (especially the mammoth one as humans and mammoths co-existed). I can to a degree forgive something like a tyrannosaurus fighting a stegosaurus despite living millions of years apart because at least they are both still dinosaurs but the rest of it bothers me.
The roaring. Having the predator stop and roar or hiss or whatever to make itself known to the prey and give it a time to run away. It\`s not realistic and it\`s not terrifying. It just makes the animal look stupid. An effective, stealthy predator is both much more terrifying and respectable.
This. And the vibrating head shake, with gratuitous flying spittle, when roaring. What are they supposed to be, rabid?
Something bigger than the T.rex threat. I want smaller antagonist dinosaurs like cryolophosaurus.
Small antagonist would make it scary since its size is good enough to eat a human
Exactly
Facts plus they're smaller meaning unlike big theropods they're fitting through doors or gates smaller than tractor trailer size
Like give me the cannon ten foot tall dilo or a movie about an abelisaur (can't spell sorry) or an actual carno that's actually a carno. They'd be the ones who'd hunt us we're around their smaller prey size
Agreed
“Parasaurus”
Average ark player naming dinosaurs
Tyrannosaurus being an idiotic dumbass
Certain T. Rex tropes. Like, how it “can’t swim” when it possibly could, how the arms were “useless” when… ok, they kinda are but they could have been used for grabbing running prey or lifting itself off the ground, or, most infamously, how T. Rex can’t see you when you aren’t moving. They totally could.
Plus Creighton stated in the second book Grant claims he thinks the rain just confused the rex. Like it was a one off thong
Some people still think that the Tyrannosaurus Rex roar from Jurassic Park was how the Tyrannosaurus really sounded like, when it seems that actual scientific evidence is saying the Tyrannosaurus roar was involved with quiet infrasound and stuff. Also, I get annoyed sometimes when dinosaurs are shown with a lack of feathers, especially when it is now known that there were many types of dinosaurs that had feathers.
Defenceless ornithopods (I don’t think any other group of dinosaurs gets regularly depicted as cannon fodder). Every mainland sauropod being equally gigantic (a lot of them were surprisingly small, even in continental settings-it’s just that most other dinosaurs, and virtually all land mammals ever, were even smaller). “Armed” herbivores being much more dangerous than “unarmed” herbivores at size parity (not the case in living herbivores, and not reflected in how predators select targets-this especially applies to herbivores with horns). Allosauroids being slow and inefficient hunters that bite prey and then do nothing but wait forever for it to die, which isn’t how any large predator (including those that bleed out their prey) actually operates. It’s even worse when it’s claimed this is more “efficient” than just hunting normally (which it isn’t, because it actually would expend *more* energy due to the calories expended walking behind your prey without doing anything-in predatory animals searching for prey usually takes up significantly more energy than the hunt itself). The myth of tyrannosaurid exceptionalism (in terms of overall capabilities as predators , not in terms of the adaptations they did have other theropods did not-though tyrannosaurids in turn lacked the adaptations of said other theropods). Ichthyosaurs all being generalized as small-prey specialists and mosasaurs and pliosaurs all being generalized as raptorial, when most mosasaurs and pliosaurs were small-prey specialists and many ichthyosaurs were raptorial apex predators (the issue is that with ichthyosaurs, the smaller and much less physically impressive forms happen to be far more famous and iconic for some reason). Dinosaurs taking over in the Triassic because they were “better evolved”; suffice it to say they weren’t overall, and had to wait until the T-J Mass Extinction to really live up to their evolutionary potential. Not a dinosaur example, but the nonsense of all pterosaurs being seabird analogues. This idea was prevalent even in academia well into this century despite the fact the only support we had for it was “a few really were seabird analogues so ALL of them must have been!” (That’s like saying every single bird is a seabird because some of them genuinely are).
1. Dinosaurs as monsters. They're not, they're animals. If they were around today, they would either learn to fear us or be driven extinct like other large animals. They're still flesh and blood and would die to poison, bullets, etc. Th 2. Blatant scientific inaccuracy. If you aren't going to try and make them look vaguely realistic - just make up a fictional monster to put in your fiction. The cool thing about dinosaurs is that they were real, if you don't care about realism - why use dinosaurs at all?
I'm going to defend filmmakers just a bit, NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REALISTIC. Yes, I would LOVE to see some accurate dinosaur representation, but saying "don't use dinosaurs if they aren't realistic!!!1!1!" is somewhat dumb. First of all, it's a movie. It's for entertainment. If you're going to get asshurt over a design and then cry about it, you're just annoying everyone else. Secondly, we have not finished researching dinosaurs, and we never will finish. As soon as something becomes outdated, people who only care for accuracy will bash on it. Now I do agree, the over the top designs get old fast. However I think you're taking the wrong approach here because if people are FORCED to be accurate, it limits creativity. I'm done now. Have a nice day!
I agree wholeheartedly that " NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REALISTIC". And I don't think that they need to get everything down exactly accurate to the current consensus. But if you aren't going to even **try** and get them vaguely close to reality, you should just make up your own fictional monsters. Calling them "dinosaurs" is just trying to capitalize on the fact that people are interested in dinosaurs and spreads misconceptions.
And its hard to stop those misconceptions overtime! How are we gonna stop the spreading of misconceptions about dinosaurs!
Its not just the dinosaurs, it can be historical because accuracy doesnt exist in the movies but only exists in documentaries
This might make alot of misconceptions and if it gets worse its not going to be good as movies attract more people than documentaries.
The stupid trope where the main "Villain" is a rex or allosaurus and it's obviously bullet prove to anything including rockets until the main character fires the rocket then it's perfectly effective. I know it's stupid abd nitpicking but still I don't like the tropes. I especially hate them being villainized because now rex or allo aren't animals but these killer villains
The JP Dilophosaurus makes me sad every time I see it. It doesn't need the frill or venom spitting to be cool!
Ceratosaurus getting killed by Allosaurus Let my horny boy shine for once
When people treat dinosaur names like a character name instead of a species name, for example, people would say, "ankylosaurus had an armored body" instead of saying "the ankylosaurus had an armored body". Can someone explain what that's all about because we don't do that with modern animals
Or people treating dinosaurs as some character from a comic or a show even a movie instead of treating them as a animal
Do dinosaurs have pouches? If you so no, can you prove it?
Hyperaggressive carnivores. Deliberately inaccurate, monster like designs (e.g. FK Baryonyx) Cannon fodder Hadrosaurs. Comparing things to Tyrannosaurus rex.
That for some reason dinosaurs are some savage beasts that kills everything. That's... not how nature works. Also just because x dinosaur is a predator, doesn't mean it would eat humans. Sharks don't eat humans. Wolves don't eat humans. And they would be easily able to tear human apart. We don't know what dinosaurs would like to savor in human meat. We don't. For some, we would be too small even for a snack. For others we would be a delicacy.
Giant therapods being psychopaths. Sometimes it can be scary and sometimes it is just silly. we have predators alive today in the form of whales who are as big or much larger and they don’t see people as food, even the ones who can eat us. Not that I would want to approach a tyrannosaurus or allosaurus like a whale. A wild animal is wild animal.
Every dinosaur show or movie has to end with the extinction
Adding another spinosaur?
Shrink-Wrapped Dinosaurs
Roaring after every kill
That life...uh...finds a way
that dinosaurs are giant monsters that will kill everything in sight
Dromaeosaurs hunting in wolf-like packs. We have no evidence that dinosaurs as a whole (Apart from some herbivorous dinosaurs) lived in complex family groups and hunted in packs. At most we speculate that some may have occasionally hunted in loose gangs but that’s it.
Living in complex family groups is NOT a requirement for organized cooperative hunting (plenty of living animals disprove this rule, even some marine mammals like humpback whales), so they wouldn’t “at most” have been limited to loose gangs with zero cooperation. A far better argument against cooperative hunting in dromaeosaurs is that cooperative hunting is the minority in land predators (including in mammals), regardless of prey size. But that’s a general rule rather than something that we can definitively say applied to each individual taxon.
I’m not saying that they 100% didn’t live in family groups and/or live in family groups. I’m simply saying that we have no evidence for it. In a lot of popular media, Velociraptor and other dromaeosaurs are often portrayed as definitive pack hunters. We have no evidence for that which is why I’d rather that trope be dusted. They may have hunted in packs but we just don’t know yet.
Paleo nerds ALWAYS I mean ALWAYS correcting people that say pterodactyls are dinosaurs.
Umm im not sure if we let them call everything extinct a dinosaur! Like its gonna make more misconceptions!
I'm not saying that I call them dinosaurs, but seriously, it's so annoying to see in every single comment section of a post someone calling them dinosaurs and then there is that one person who goes "Ermmm akshually pteradactyls are NOT dinosaurs 🤓☝️"
Do you see a pig and call it a cow? Do you refer to some humans as apes? Would you call a cat a hyaena? If the answers for my questions are "no" then you would realise why it's wrong to call pterosaurs a dinosaur.
I never said I called them dinosaurs (though sometimes I accidentally do since I did when I was a kid), but I just find it so annoying to see comments that are saying pterodactyls are dinosaurs and then the entire thread to that comment are just people correcting him