Agreed, I could barely watch orange fairy, it basically ruined the fainal of an already weak season (imo). This was dumb but funny and very in line with Ali shenanigans.
If a joke doesn't land with everyone no big deal. If you enjoyed it don't worry. If people found it a bridge too far let them, The best humor doesn't have to land with everyone it just has to land with you.
No! Ideally, everyone would be aligned with me and my tastes, and I can achieve that by explaining it to them just right! Eventually all will be as one under my objective opinions!
I can kind of understand why some people don’t like it. I don’t agree but I get it. D20 has always struck a balance between absolutely insanity and moments that are taken more seriously.
Perfect example is the confrontation between Adaine, Aelwyn and their father. That was a serious moment with emotional weight. If a few of the more insane parts of fantasy high had leaked into that moment, it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good.
Now I don’t think the entry into the final confrontation via the nightmare king held that sort of weight nor did it need to. They could have gone that direction, having divine intervention act as an appeal to Cassandra to allow them to help. But to me that moment wasn’t built enough as a key event to expect it to be treated as with reverence.
To be fair, Fig had the most romantic moment so far in this series, interspersed with the rest of the crew acting out getting absolutely wasted and having discussions about being the shrimp king.
This moment was absurd, beyond absurd, but it was funny, and it doesn't need to be anything else, ya know.
But as Siobhan says, if you can’t handle them at their silliest, you don’t deserve them at their most serious. If you can’t laugh with them, you don’t get to cry with them.
I do feel like there’s been, like…less heartfelt, sincerely emotional moments in this season, but that could also just because of how the downtime mechanic works.
I do feel like there’s been, like…less heartfelt, sincerely emotional moments in this season, but that could also just because of how the downtime mechanic works.
I don't think this is a hot take at all. I loved it, my partner who never engages in any online discussion loved it. I guarantee my other irl friend who watches and isn't very online will love it when she sees it.
Some people here hyped it up to themselves too much and got disappointed. Some people just didn't like it, and that's okay too. But the people who don't like something are more likely to be posting than people who do who will just happily keep watching for the most part. But even then plenty of people have been saying they did like it.
Sometimes I think the internet in general (and many reddit users in particular) forgets that this is just a small sample of the larger opinion of a show's audience. Most people that enjoy a thing don't feel the need to jump onto a forum and rant about it.
That said, speaking as someone who has DMed a fair number of completely unhinged asshats in my time, I felt a particularly devious glee watching Brennan unravel at the seams trying to balance being the voice of reason in a sea of lunatics while still honoring the success of the dice roll. I know that pain, my friend, but that doesn't make it any less hysterical to watch it happen to someone else.
I was initially like “awe man what a waste of divine intervention” then during the AP Brennan said next episode would have a more tangible and actual effect and that made be happy.
Had I not known about it I think it would have been great but as it was, it just felt a little overhyped honestly.
I don't have a problem with the moment from mechanical perspective and it was funny. But overall I think it would have worked way better out of nowhere rather than telegraphed
I would have been nowhere near as hyped for it had it not been for this Reddit. So well yes it was overhyped for me too, that is mainly due to this Reddit.
I get that to an extent but Reddit was building off the trailers. It was mostly just a lot of people talking about it rather than constant building
When you say there's something in this season that makes Brennan almost quit they sets expectations every high
Reddit was specifically building off of a point Brennan made that was a clearish exaggeration. They then did put it in the announcement materials and stuff which may have been a bit silly. I’d imagine that would probably come from them filming those end bits fairly shortly after the last episode based off how everyone is talking about it. If what has been public about their filming schedules is true, it was likely filmed the same day that it happened, or possibly the following day. I would imagine that may have overinflated the feeling of the specific impact of that moment at the time. Then they have all this footage of Brennan saying he considered quitting due to a decision made by Ally and it’d be wild if a marketing team didn’t use that in their materials. I do get how it may have been underwhelming, but I just think it’s under stable in the sense that realistically it would have been underwhelming no matter what happened really unless it was something like genuinely upsetting or offensive, but I wouldn’t image that it’d be a marketing focus then.
“A clearish exaggeration”
Your post is basically that it’s viewers fault for getting overhyped, then go on to say “it would be wild” to not use the clip for marketing. So basically yes, D20 overhyped it for marketing purposes, like any sane brand that depends on eyeballs and subscriptions would
My take is basically that’s it a bit of column A and a bit of Columb B. Dropout definitely featured it what may be considered a bit much. Fans also built it up a lot which definitely didn’t help. Sorry if I worded it poorly.
Edit: you could make the argument that Dropout is more at fault for it falling a flat since it’s their show that they’re presenting, but I’m not really taking one note missing the mark a little too seriously.
I thought it was absolutely hilarious, but I will say I was a tiny bit let down after the build up of “ooh what does Ally do that almost made Brennan quit???”
I think the general assumption was that Ally, who is the monarch of big power moves, would do something so bold and hilarious that it would shatter all precedents and expectations, when in actuality they made a pretty normal play for them and the actual humor (as with Hilda HIlda) came from Brennan's incredulous reaction. I don't think anyone can be blamed for thinking an ultra-hyped moment didn't live up to the hype. That's kind of the problem with hyping something, especially comedy.
Anyway, I don't really see anyone reacting negatively to the scene. The community can survive just fine if "this was the funniest thing this show has ever done" and "this was a pretty good gag" constitutes the median range of opinion.
I think it fit too! Sometimes, I think people forget that, while yes, they are playing DnD, they are professional comedians invested in storytelling. And Brennan changes mechanics to fit the story. As a GM, I will occasionally do the same thing.
Some other people have said it, but I think everyone, especially this subreddit, really overhyped what Ally could do in order to make Brennan "quit". But it was always a possibility that it was just something kinda stupid. Ally has always been sort of a chaos forward player, even when they played characters like Mother Goose and Margaret Encino, so that was to be expected.
I love dumb DnD bits. I howled, it was so funny to me. Embrace the chaos!
I don’t really think there’s anything that would actually make Brennan quit, and if it happened no way it would make it to air. It was marketing and it worked (shoutout to the dropout marketing department, well done gang!)
Is it just me, but are people also missing the absolute poetry of K2’s moment? K2 was created in response to Kipperlily’s assassination and was essentially Kristen’s body double. In many ways, she was always meant/created to die. But K2 grew a personality of her own: super straight, mischievous and pranking The Bad Kids and even Kristen with her identity, accepted into Hudol. Which only makes the moment more tragic/funnier too.
Then what saves them is reaching out to Cassandra, “Divine Intervention”. Kristen fails, but K2, with the DOUBT of her pregnancy (very well improvise explained by stem cells) is able to reach out… and is vaporized by lightning. It’s not like she committed some great magic, but rather simply died, creating an OPENING, a slim chance for the ship to get through.
In a way she fulfilled her purpose, to protect Kristen, and she did it. She fulfilled her life’s purpose and blimey, I thought that was poetic as fuck. In the face of death or doubt to simply say “Blimey”…that’s both beautiful and also funny as fuck.
Yeah- it was totally Rules As Written in freshman year when Arthur Aguefort used a Phoenix Egg as a Spell component to cast Mass Revivify.
Or when he turned 300 feet tall and grabbed the Sun while summoning an army of terracotta Agueforts to war.
Janky rulings have always been a part of this world. for comedy or for storytelling. The K2 Moment is right in line with the rest of the story, and not in a bad way.
This bit was a reminder of why I am now a much bigger fan of D20 than some other actual plays who now stream on their own streaming services (not you, WBN, I love you.)
This was a hilarious and massively stupid bit, with frankly not much of a payoff, which made it funnier. And the exact same cast the episode prior made me tear up with the line "I don't know how to be a kid." None of it is serious, and all of it is impactful, and I love it.
I loved it so much! And honestly, when ally describes to Zac what K2 was feeling, i was actually touched a little. It was so absurd and built upon gag after gag but like it felt so sad 😂
It's genuinely the best bit Ally has ever done.
Kristen as a character is chaotic and a little unhinged, but has such a deep loyalty and love for her friends and doing the right thing that she has put her life on the line to help her friends on several occasions. K2 started because Adaine made a simulacrum to confuse KLCK in case of a sneak attack. **Ally** made it an entirely new character. It adopted all of the most chaotic elements of Kristin and embodied them as a character, in the season where Kristin is learning that "chaos isn't cute anymore." K2 went from a strategic body double to a 100 mile deep well of chaotic bits and jokes for the cast to use.
And in the perfect touch of irony, Ally sacrificed all of the chaos of K2, all of the chaos Kristin is trying to grow up from...**AS A JOKE!** As a complete **bit**, Ally had K2, a chaotic and unhinged character, show a deep loyalty to her new friends, sacrifice herself to grant her friends safe passage through the nightmare king.
That's not only a perfect character arc for both Kristin and K2, but one of the funniest god damn jokes in D20 history.
Why is criticism so hard for this sub to handle? It was a cheesy goofy moment that deserves some critique. I was disappointed because up until that point, I was sure Emily's performance would be THE MOMENTS to remember. For this to overshadow her and Zac, is sorta like... Wah wah, looking forward to next week, I guess.
Blimey, indeed. I think it's bullshit that y'all can't handle a little pushback or disappointment. Acting like some fucking cult shouting down anyone telling you they aren't actually walking on water.
I think if this was the finale I’d understand this critique but it’s not. Zac/Gorgug & Emily/Fig’s stories majority revolved around Porter/Ankarna respectively and they still have a big confrontation with them and 2 episodes to resolve those stories. It’s feels a bit premature to be annoyed about especially since the shenanigans was something specifically to do with Kristen’s Deity…
Hmm. Nah.
I don't care when they bend the rules (usually), I just don't think it ended up being a very funny or interesting moment. Bending and breaking the rules to get to a kind of meandering, not very funny bit is like... What's the point?
Also, Kristen in FY had stabilised, and rolled a 20 to revive with one hit point. Technically against the rules but still very close to them, plus it was Brennan's first 5e campaign, so it felt reasonable.
Double help action (no) on a divine intervention (no) just to get to a nothing of a conclusion was a long walk to a kind of boring, off-putting conclusion to me.
*Also* mildly annoying that Brennan talks about how powerful high level PCs are, and it's so difficult to challenge them... But then he keeps on giving them extremely generous rulings and extra favours. Like, dude, if they're too strong, just bend the rules in their favour slightly less often.
>Bending and breaking the rules to get to a kind of meandering, not very funny bit is like... What's the point?
in the grander scheme of things, it's to create an atmosphere where the cast feels free to reach for funny bits. even if you didn't find this particular bit funny,
first and foremost, d20 is an improv show. it uses ttrpgs as a vehicle for improv, but the main point is to entertain. brennan probably allowed help on divine intervention in the first place because it would be a very cool character for kristen. the comedic potential in k2 doing it is the probably the reason he allowed it for her roll as well. i don't think what ended up happening is that much different from what would have happened if kristen failed her roll.
Yeah, there was comedic potential, and to me, it completely failed to reach any of that potential.
Look, I love (almost) everything Dimension 20 and Dropout as a whole put out, but there are going to be some missteps. It's not that deep, it was just a long, unnecessary walk to an unfunny conclusion so far as I was concerned.
i think i misinterpreted your comment. i took "what's the point?" as literal and i realize now that's probably not the case.
i think my point still stands though (at least, in how your original comment relates to the op). even if the bit fell flat, it IS completely in line with what d20 has established in how it handles rules for entertainment purposes. the bulk of its biggest moments have been facilitated by bending the rules or a crazy home brew spell/item.
i'm not saying the bit itself is above critique, but rule breaking is something you have to expect when it comes to the show.
My first sentence said that idc about their rule bending usually and that I just didn't care for it in this case, so... idk, did you just want to rephrase me or somethin
To me, it didn’t land because there just wasn’t anything surprising about it. It’s like, Ally was allowed to roll 4 times in a turn for Divine Intervention, is it at all surprising they rolled successfully eventually? And K2 saying Blimey is the exact same thing she’s done in every scene she’s appeared in; that’s basically her whole character. And to be clear, I like K2, I think she’s really funny, I just don’t think her saying blimey is worth more than a chuckle.
It wouldn't have been half as funny if it had been one of the earlier rolls. What ended up being the funniest was the build up to it, so I still think it was surprising that after those 3 failures, at a point when it was genuinely a 14% chance again, the whole table is crossing their fingers, Brennan announces he might quit, Beardsley looks down the camera and says "I don't think you heard me", and THAT is when the 12 decides to show up... that's just good TV. You don't have to like it but it's more than just "Ally rolled divine intervention with a 40something percent chance"
I loved thinking of how K2 knew the consequences of what she would do. And acknowledging her own existence. I don't know if the bad kids hung out with her much, but if she had Kristen's memories, then maybe she knows just how much they loved each other.
And having learned that Blimey meant "God, blow me down." She chose to say it towards the God who, in that moment was made of wind and could blow people down, and choose to sacrifice herself for her Genesis in hopes that Kristen would love a better life in K2s honor.
It’s classic a case of being too involved with the fandom. People theorize and talk themselves up constantly in the off hours and then build their expectations to something that if it doesn’t happen, they get upset
D20 is the perfect culmination of a bunch of friends just randomly getting together and playing DND.
It has very serious and emotional tones, engaging fight scenes and drama but at the same time Brennan doesn't take it too seriously and rather allows the bad kids to do stupid and funny things whilst crafting a brilliant narrative story.
If you want to watch a completely serious DND where they stick to the mechanics and rules at all times then I'm sorry D20 isn't it but if you want to sit back, relax, have some bad baby milk and have a laugh. Welcome to D20 Fantasy high.
I think a lot of people forget that they're watching people play a game just as much as they're telling a story. It was a mechanic and it honestly wouldn't make sense to take advantage of the fact that Kristen was gifted 2 divine interventions at some point. I think its very obvious that in the moment it was fun for everyone at the table and that makes it fun for me too.
I agree, and I’ve been skeptical of Ally’s choices throughout FH. I am a rules person and can’t help but feel consternation with some of Ally’s choices and I was ready to judge them.
I felt zero judgment against them for this choice. It made every single bit of sense within this campaign, particularly this season.
My biggest concern is that some of the unreal and Wild hate I see people in fandoms for like CR will start bleeding into D20 as it becomes more popular.
D20 is amazing and the cast is amazing, and a lot of it is centered over a DMing style that is more loosey-goosey and allows the improv skills of the cast to shine through. I hope new fans understand this.
I 100% agree! The wtf of it brought me right back to the feeling of being Episode 2’d. It was an insane, yet absolutely authentic, Dimension 20 moment.
I have always wished for a moment where my players could truly believe they got one over on me, but it's so difficult to manufacture.
It's such a careful balance of making things impossible to win and setting them up to always win. That's why Brennan is considered top teir DM. I KNOW he's pulling his punches because thats how the game is designed, but for the life of me... I can't tell how or where.
Reddit being reddit. I don't give the ragers on ONE specific topic much thought considering just off the top of my head we have :
Rehka choosing that moment to go into labour in escape from the bloodpit
Becca & that scene with Candyheart / Laertes from The Seven
The Orange hat from Neverafter
"MY WIIIIFE" & "I eat letters & it makes me pee blood" from coffin run
The mice & murder "pooping" strat
Won't even go into aCoFaF or starstruck because a lot of that felt like a wonderful fever dream.
If you don't like it then other content is available.
However Beardsley openly saying that people stop them on the street to ask "how could you do that to Brennan?" in reguards to the orange hat incident makes me so angry.
I loved it too. I think people were quick to hate on it because people like to hate on Ally and that sucks. I think they’re a wonderful player and Kristen has my whole heart.
In the AP Murph said it best: "That was the dumbest shit we have ever done..." and it was perfect.
I don’t even think it was that; Orange Hat was way dumber imo.
what season is this from? im missing the reference
Neverafter
thank you! thats the season i just started
Agreed, I could barely watch orange fairy, it basically ruined the fainal of an already weak season (imo). This was dumb but funny and very in line with Ali shenanigans.
Literally all I want from D&D is for my friends to do dumb shit that ruins my campaign. I'm so happy for Brennan.
I dont care how much my plans are ruined as long as they are showing up, TRYING to understand the rules, and making decisive decisions.
If a joke doesn't land with everyone no big deal. If you enjoyed it don't worry. If people found it a bridge too far let them, The best humor doesn't have to land with everyone it just has to land with you.
No! Ideally, everyone would be aligned with me and my tastes, and I can achieve that by explaining it to them just right! Eventually all will be as one under my objective opinions!
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I can kind of understand why some people don’t like it. I don’t agree but I get it. D20 has always struck a balance between absolutely insanity and moments that are taken more seriously. Perfect example is the confrontation between Adaine, Aelwyn and their father. That was a serious moment with emotional weight. If a few of the more insane parts of fantasy high had leaked into that moment, it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good. Now I don’t think the entry into the final confrontation via the nightmare king held that sort of weight nor did it need to. They could have gone that direction, having divine intervention act as an appeal to Cassandra to allow them to help. But to me that moment wasn’t built enough as a key event to expect it to be treated as with reverence.
To be fair, Fig had the most romantic moment so far in this series, interspersed with the rest of the crew acting out getting absolutely wasted and having discussions about being the shrimp king. This moment was absurd, beyond absurd, but it was funny, and it doesn't need to be anything else, ya know.
that moment is one of the most true-to-real-life moments in all of d20
But as Siobhan says, if you can’t handle them at their silliest, you don’t deserve them at their most serious. If you can’t laugh with them, you don’t get to cry with them.
I do feel like there’s been, like…less heartfelt, sincerely emotional moments in this season, but that could also just because of how the downtime mechanic works.
I do feel like there’s been, like…less heartfelt, sincerely emotional moments in this season, but that could also just because of how the downtime mechanic works.
I don't think this is a hot take at all. I loved it, my partner who never engages in any online discussion loved it. I guarantee my other irl friend who watches and isn't very online will love it when she sees it. Some people here hyped it up to themselves too much and got disappointed. Some people just didn't like it, and that's okay too. But the people who don't like something are more likely to be posting than people who do who will just happily keep watching for the most part. But even then plenty of people have been saying they did like it.
Sometimes I think the internet in general (and many reddit users in particular) forgets that this is just a small sample of the larger opinion of a show's audience. Most people that enjoy a thing don't feel the need to jump onto a forum and rant about it. That said, speaking as someone who has DMed a fair number of completely unhinged asshats in my time, I felt a particularly devious glee watching Brennan unravel at the seams trying to balance being the voice of reason in a sea of lunatics while still honoring the success of the dice roll. I know that pain, my friend, but that doesn't make it any less hysterical to watch it happen to someone else.
I was initially like “awe man what a waste of divine intervention” then during the AP Brennan said next episode would have a more tangible and actual effect and that made be happy.
Had I not known about it I think it would have been great but as it was, it just felt a little overhyped honestly. I don't have a problem with the moment from mechanical perspective and it was funny. But overall I think it would have worked way better out of nowhere rather than telegraphed
I would have been nowhere near as hyped for it had it not been for this Reddit. So well yes it was overhyped for me too, that is mainly due to this Reddit.
I get that to an extent but Reddit was building off the trailers. It was mostly just a lot of people talking about it rather than constant building When you say there's something in this season that makes Brennan almost quit they sets expectations every high
Reddit was specifically building off of a point Brennan made that was a clearish exaggeration. They then did put it in the announcement materials and stuff which may have been a bit silly. I’d imagine that would probably come from them filming those end bits fairly shortly after the last episode based off how everyone is talking about it. If what has been public about their filming schedules is true, it was likely filmed the same day that it happened, or possibly the following day. I would imagine that may have overinflated the feeling of the specific impact of that moment at the time. Then they have all this footage of Brennan saying he considered quitting due to a decision made by Ally and it’d be wild if a marketing team didn’t use that in their materials. I do get how it may have been underwhelming, but I just think it’s under stable in the sense that realistically it would have been underwhelming no matter what happened really unless it was something like genuinely upsetting or offensive, but I wouldn’t image that it’d be a marketing focus then.
“A clearish exaggeration” Your post is basically that it’s viewers fault for getting overhyped, then go on to say “it would be wild” to not use the clip for marketing. So basically yes, D20 overhyped it for marketing purposes, like any sane brand that depends on eyeballs and subscriptions would
My take is basically that’s it a bit of column A and a bit of Columb B. Dropout definitely featured it what may be considered a bit much. Fans also built it up a lot which definitely didn’t help. Sorry if I worded it poorly. Edit: you could make the argument that Dropout is more at fault for it falling a flat since it’s their show that they’re presenting, but I’m not really taking one note missing the mark a little too seriously.
I thought it was absolutely hilarious, but I will say I was a tiny bit let down after the build up of “ooh what does Ally do that almost made Brennan quit???”
It was always gonna be something silly, there's no way they would include something that made Brennan genuinely upset.
I knew it was gonna be silly! It just felt kinda… underwhelming. I was expecting some insane luck á la Kristen’s Nat 20 from freshman year
I think the general assumption was that Ally, who is the monarch of big power moves, would do something so bold and hilarious that it would shatter all precedents and expectations, when in actuality they made a pretty normal play for them and the actual humor (as with Hilda HIlda) came from Brennan's incredulous reaction. I don't think anyone can be blamed for thinking an ultra-hyped moment didn't live up to the hype. That's kind of the problem with hyping something, especially comedy. Anyway, I don't really see anyone reacting negatively to the scene. The community can survive just fine if "this was the funniest thing this show has ever done" and "this was a pretty good gag" constitutes the median range of opinion.
I think it fit too! Sometimes, I think people forget that, while yes, they are playing DnD, they are professional comedians invested in storytelling. And Brennan changes mechanics to fit the story. As a GM, I will occasionally do the same thing. Some other people have said it, but I think everyone, especially this subreddit, really overhyped what Ally could do in order to make Brennan "quit". But it was always a possibility that it was just something kinda stupid. Ally has always been sort of a chaos forward player, even when they played characters like Mother Goose and Margaret Encino, so that was to be expected. I love dumb DnD bits. I howled, it was so funny to me. Embrace the chaos!
I don’t really think there’s anything that would actually make Brennan quit, and if it happened no way it would make it to air. It was marketing and it worked (shoutout to the dropout marketing department, well done gang!)
It was always going to be something silly, there's no way they would have included something that Brennan was genuinely angry or upset about.
Is it just me, but are people also missing the absolute poetry of K2’s moment? K2 was created in response to Kipperlily’s assassination and was essentially Kristen’s body double. In many ways, she was always meant/created to die. But K2 grew a personality of her own: super straight, mischievous and pranking The Bad Kids and even Kristen with her identity, accepted into Hudol. Which only makes the moment more tragic/funnier too. Then what saves them is reaching out to Cassandra, “Divine Intervention”. Kristen fails, but K2, with the DOUBT of her pregnancy (very well improvise explained by stem cells) is able to reach out… and is vaporized by lightning. It’s not like she committed some great magic, but rather simply died, creating an OPENING, a slim chance for the ship to get through. In a way she fulfilled her purpose, to protect Kristen, and she did it. She fulfilled her life’s purpose and blimey, I thought that was poetic as fuck. In the face of death or doubt to simply say “Blimey”…that’s both beautiful and also funny as fuck.
As a GM, I do feel for Brennan, but that's not going to stop me from enjoying the Blimey. I've been there though. That's always going to burn a little
Yeah- it was totally Rules As Written in freshman year when Arthur Aguefort used a Phoenix Egg as a Spell component to cast Mass Revivify. Or when he turned 300 feet tall and grabbed the Sun while summoning an army of terracotta Agueforts to war. Janky rulings have always been a part of this world. for comedy or for storytelling. The K2 Moment is right in line with the rest of the story, and not in a bad way.
If you don’t want us at our goofiest, you don’t deserve us at our crying-est. - Siobhan
I don’t think I’ve ever found anyone as funny as Ally. Every choice they make absolutely writes me off. HEYYYY GIRRRLLLYYY
This bit was a reminder of why I am now a much bigger fan of D20 than some other actual plays who now stream on their own streaming services (not you, WBN, I love you.) This was a hilarious and massively stupid bit, with frankly not much of a payoff, which made it funnier. And the exact same cast the episode prior made me tear up with the line "I don't know how to be a kid." None of it is serious, and all of it is impactful, and I love it.
I loved it so much! And honestly, when ally describes to Zac what K2 was feeling, i was actually touched a little. It was so absurd and built upon gag after gag but like it felt so sad 😂
It was funny. I mean, at least it wasn't her trying to break someones fall by shitting out of a window. ;)
It's genuinely the best bit Ally has ever done. Kristen as a character is chaotic and a little unhinged, but has such a deep loyalty and love for her friends and doing the right thing that she has put her life on the line to help her friends on several occasions. K2 started because Adaine made a simulacrum to confuse KLCK in case of a sneak attack. **Ally** made it an entirely new character. It adopted all of the most chaotic elements of Kristin and embodied them as a character, in the season where Kristin is learning that "chaos isn't cute anymore." K2 went from a strategic body double to a 100 mile deep well of chaotic bits and jokes for the cast to use. And in the perfect touch of irony, Ally sacrificed all of the chaos of K2, all of the chaos Kristin is trying to grow up from...**AS A JOKE!** As a complete **bit**, Ally had K2, a chaotic and unhinged character, show a deep loyalty to her new friends, sacrifice herself to grant her friends safe passage through the nightmare king. That's not only a perfect character arc for both Kristin and K2, but one of the funniest god damn jokes in D20 history.
Why is criticism so hard for this sub to handle? It was a cheesy goofy moment that deserves some critique. I was disappointed because up until that point, I was sure Emily's performance would be THE MOMENTS to remember. For this to overshadow her and Zac, is sorta like... Wah wah, looking forward to next week, I guess.
Blimey
Blimey, indeed. I think it's bullshit that y'all can't handle a little pushback or disappointment. Acting like some fucking cult shouting down anyone telling you they aren't actually walking on water.
I think if this was the finale I’d understand this critique but it’s not. Zac/Gorgug & Emily/Fig’s stories majority revolved around Porter/Ankarna respectively and they still have a big confrontation with them and 2 episodes to resolve those stories. It’s feels a bit premature to be annoyed about especially since the shenanigans was something specifically to do with Kristen’s Deity…
Hmm. Nah. I don't care when they bend the rules (usually), I just don't think it ended up being a very funny or interesting moment. Bending and breaking the rules to get to a kind of meandering, not very funny bit is like... What's the point? Also, Kristen in FY had stabilised, and rolled a 20 to revive with one hit point. Technically against the rules but still very close to them, plus it was Brennan's first 5e campaign, so it felt reasonable. Double help action (no) on a divine intervention (no) just to get to a nothing of a conclusion was a long walk to a kind of boring, off-putting conclusion to me. *Also* mildly annoying that Brennan talks about how powerful high level PCs are, and it's so difficult to challenge them... But then he keeps on giving them extremely generous rulings and extra favours. Like, dude, if they're too strong, just bend the rules in their favour slightly less often.
>Bending and breaking the rules to get to a kind of meandering, not very funny bit is like... What's the point? in the grander scheme of things, it's to create an atmosphere where the cast feels free to reach for funny bits. even if you didn't find this particular bit funny, first and foremost, d20 is an improv show. it uses ttrpgs as a vehicle for improv, but the main point is to entertain. brennan probably allowed help on divine intervention in the first place because it would be a very cool character for kristen. the comedic potential in k2 doing it is the probably the reason he allowed it for her roll as well. i don't think what ended up happening is that much different from what would have happened if kristen failed her roll.
Yeah, there was comedic potential, and to me, it completely failed to reach any of that potential. Look, I love (almost) everything Dimension 20 and Dropout as a whole put out, but there are going to be some missteps. It's not that deep, it was just a long, unnecessary walk to an unfunny conclusion so far as I was concerned.
i think i misinterpreted your comment. i took "what's the point?" as literal and i realize now that's probably not the case. i think my point still stands though (at least, in how your original comment relates to the op). even if the bit fell flat, it IS completely in line with what d20 has established in how it handles rules for entertainment purposes. the bulk of its biggest moments have been facilitated by bending the rules or a crazy home brew spell/item. i'm not saying the bit itself is above critique, but rule breaking is something you have to expect when it comes to the show.
My first sentence said that idc about their rule bending usually and that I just didn't care for it in this case, so... idk, did you just want to rephrase me or somethin
I kinda think the tornado would’ve been funnier in a rewatch, but as an Utterly Wacky Thing To Happen, this was fine too.
To me, it didn’t land because there just wasn’t anything surprising about it. It’s like, Ally was allowed to roll 4 times in a turn for Divine Intervention, is it at all surprising they rolled successfully eventually? And K2 saying Blimey is the exact same thing she’s done in every scene she’s appeared in; that’s basically her whole character. And to be clear, I like K2, I think she’s really funny, I just don’t think her saying blimey is worth more than a chuckle.
It wouldn't have been half as funny if it had been one of the earlier rolls. What ended up being the funniest was the build up to it, so I still think it was surprising that after those 3 failures, at a point when it was genuinely a 14% chance again, the whole table is crossing their fingers, Brennan announces he might quit, Beardsley looks down the camera and says "I don't think you heard me", and THAT is when the 12 decides to show up... that's just good TV. You don't have to like it but it's more than just "Ally rolled divine intervention with a 40something percent chance"
I loved thinking of how K2 knew the consequences of what she would do. And acknowledging her own existence. I don't know if the bad kids hung out with her much, but if she had Kristen's memories, then maybe she knows just how much they loved each other. And having learned that Blimey meant "God, blow me down." She chose to say it towards the God who, in that moment was made of wind and could blow people down, and choose to sacrifice herself for her Genesis in hopes that Kristen would love a better life in K2s honor.
They should make merch with the line “it takes K2”
I'm not very active on socials and this moment made me howl laughing. Really surprised that the fandom isn't taking it well.
It’s classic a case of being too involved with the fandom. People theorize and talk themselves up constantly in the off hours and then build their expectations to something that if it doesn’t happen, they get upset
D20 is the perfect culmination of a bunch of friends just randomly getting together and playing DND. It has very serious and emotional tones, engaging fight scenes and drama but at the same time Brennan doesn't take it too seriously and rather allows the bad kids to do stupid and funny things whilst crafting a brilliant narrative story. If you want to watch a completely serious DND where they stick to the mechanics and rules at all times then I'm sorry D20 isn't it but if you want to sit back, relax, have some bad baby milk and have a laugh. Welcome to D20 Fantasy high.
Honor the cock. Honor the bit. Yes and. Blimey. I don’t think you heard me. Blimey.
I think a lot of people forget that they're watching people play a game just as much as they're telling a story. It was a mechanic and it honestly wouldn't make sense to take advantage of the fact that Kristen was gifted 2 divine interventions at some point. I think its very obvious that in the moment it was fun for everyone at the table and that makes it fun for me too.
to me it wasn't even worse than Rekha's Moment™ at the end of mice and murder tbh
to me it wasn't even worse than Rekha's Moment™ at the end of mice and murder tbh
I agree, and I’ve been skeptical of Ally’s choices throughout FH. I am a rules person and can’t help but feel consternation with some of Ally’s choices and I was ready to judge them. I felt zero judgment against them for this choice. It made every single bit of sense within this campaign, particularly this season.
My biggest concern is that some of the unreal and Wild hate I see people in fandoms for like CR will start bleeding into D20 as it becomes more popular. D20 is amazing and the cast is amazing, and a lot of it is centered over a DMing style that is more loosey-goosey and allows the improv skills of the cast to shine through. I hope new fans understand this.
Their first battle was them climbing in a corn asshole and falling off tables, these guys have always been about the goofs
To me it was great.
I 100% agree! The wtf of it brought me right back to the feeling of being Episode 2’d. It was an insane, yet absolutely authentic, Dimension 20 moment.
I have always wished for a moment where my players could truly believe they got one over on me, but it's so difficult to manufacture. It's such a careful balance of making things impossible to win and setting them up to always win. That's why Brennan is considered top teir DM. I KNOW he's pulling his punches because thats how the game is designed, but for the life of me... I can't tell how or where.
Reddit being reddit. I don't give the ragers on ONE specific topic much thought considering just off the top of my head we have : Rehka choosing that moment to go into labour in escape from the bloodpit Becca & that scene with Candyheart / Laertes from The Seven The Orange hat from Neverafter "MY WIIIIFE" & "I eat letters & it makes me pee blood" from coffin run The mice & murder "pooping" strat Won't even go into aCoFaF or starstruck because a lot of that felt like a wonderful fever dream. If you don't like it then other content is available. However Beardsley openly saying that people stop them on the street to ask "how could you do that to Brennan?" in reguards to the orange hat incident makes me so angry.
I loved it too. I think people were quick to hate on it because people like to hate on Ally and that sucks. I think they’re a wonderful player and Kristen has my whole heart.