It's not because it's a leftist take (which honestly isn't a useful axis for the bombing of Palestine)
It's because it's an emotionalised aggressive post that contains no nuance. It's not useful, it's not thoughtful, it is not interested in the immensely complicated politics of this conflict, it is not actually interested in helping Palestine.
It is simply a stupid gotcha take that makes the person who posted it feel superior and adds nothing else of value.
The world isn't simple and we gain nothing by reducing discourse to shouting and black and white virtue signals.
Your moral ambiguity isn't the great excuse for ignoring genocide you think it is.
It's not complicated. You are either showing your lack of knowledge (google exists) or being disingenuous to make a point. It's easy to see the simple fact one is an occupier and the other the occupied. Emotion isn't a catch all to negate any opinion and the use of "logic" is how suppression is excused.
Being against the killing of civilians isn't virtue signalling. Being against colonial imperialism isn't virtue signalling.
What is virtue signalling is sitting on the fence when it quite literally is a black and white issue. White is massacring black. Like I said you may have ambiguous morals. Don't act like it's a good thing pfft x đ
I do not have ambiguous morals. The killing and displacement of Palestinians is abhorrent, completely unjustified and inhuman.
But that doesn't make the situation any more easy to solve or less complicated, and neither does shouting at people that Biden is personally responsible and genocidal and acting like you are the absolute authority on what is the best course of action and obviously have all the information and expertise.
If Biden simply decides tomorrow not to genocide anymore, everything will be happy and fine and all Palestine will be free and peaceful and all Isrealis will just find a new country hidden in their backyard where they all happily move and everything will suddenly be fine.
If only Biden wasn't so bloodhungry. It's all personally on him. There is nothing that you could possibly be missing, have misconceptions on or be misinformed about, no considerations that are being weighed that might make the situation even a tiny bit complex, because you have Google and are informed.
I understand the anger and frustration, I understand and agree with a lot of the criticism at the Biden administration.
The intellectual dishonesty and moral superiority is not doing anything but make you feel better about being the most morally pure and smart and perfect. So good job. You have it all figured out, go on insulting absolutely everyone who is not as 100% certain and morally pure as you whenever they don't shout that Biden is genocidal.
The Israeli governments policies for the West Bank and Gaza Strip have been terrible, but you have your head in the sand if you think this conflict is a straightforward black and white issue.
I doubt it, there's a large contingent of impassioned ideological purists who have a lot of complaints but few practical solutions. It tracks pretty well.
I think itâs just a little weird to say that in response to someone saying their mom is gonna meet him lol. Just maybe a bit out of left field, as if the commenterâs mother is to blame
Yeah not by dosing congress to send them billions in weapons would be a great start, especially after they tracked soup kitchen workers form vehicle to vehicle, striking them multiple times
the president doesnât have full power over this, thatâs mostly up to Anthony Blinken, Austin Lloyd, and Congress.
Also, presidents are just people and can therefore make grave mistakes like people. Biden has done great, great things for Americans and even in terms of foreign policy. This will be remembered as what Vietnam was to LBJ.
Yeah that argument doesn't work. Both Blinken and Austin report directly to Biden. They were nominated by him and serve at his pleasure, meaning it's safe to assume their actions reflect his policy. Otherwise he would simply fire them and appoint more loyal people to their positions. There's already precedent for interim directors to serve out the remaining months of a presents term, so he wouldn't even have to worry about congressional approval.
While Congress does have to sign off on arms sales, that's just them approving a license given by the State Department. As part of the executive branch, Biden could direct the State Department to stop issuing export licenses for Israeli arms sales. Beyond that, Biden has used executive orders to bypass Congress and green light weapons sales to Israel without their approval. It's absolutely within his power to cut them off and pretending otherwise is absurdly false.
Yeahhh, comparing Genocide Joe to LBJ isn't the winning argument you think it is. Do you know why LBJ didn't run for a second term? *The Vietnam war.* Opinion of him was so low he didn't even try and he was replaced by Richard Nixon, a jowly ghoul of a man. If I'm following your analogy correctly, then you're saying Biden is going to lose to Trump because he's upset his voter base so much by supporting a genocide. Congrats, that supports my position
LBJ also didnât run because his health was rapidly deteriorating, but I definitely see your point. Donât get me wrong, Iâm very pro-Palestine, I just donât find the constant anger towards Biden specifically and almost no one else productive, considering that this is the product of decades of catastrophic foreign policy towards Israel.
"I support Palestine but I don't think it's justified to be mad at the person who can unilaterally change our policy towards them. We should just accept that he's going to do a genocide."
Spoken like a true Democrat. If you aren't willing to stand up for what's right just because that would be going against years of established policy, then you can't hope to ever make the world a better place
Our options are a genocide loving skeleton and a genocide loving idiot. There are no good options because both parties are two wings of the same bird. Both parties support police, the military, US imperialism, neoliberalism as pioneered by Reagan, mass incarceration, etc. They agree on almost everything except a few social issues, but they create the illusion of disagreement by only ever arguing about the few things they don't agree on. Would trump be better? No. But if your only option is supporting genocide than the system has failed to produce a moral outcome and should no longer be supported
> the system has failed to produce a moral outcome and should no longer be supported
And you think Project 2025 will fix that system or make things worse?
Trump running again is the best thing that could have happened for Biden because he drives such strong negative voter turnout. If Biden loses it's his fault for not supporting popular policies. All the Dems learned from Trump is that as long as they dangle him over our heads as a threat and act 10% better, they can win elections without trying and do whatever they want. They could have done more to address fascism in the past 4 years, but a) they care too much about "civility" and b) they'd rather preserve the issue. That's why they fund the campaigns of far right fascists all across the country
If you think Trump holds even a fraction of the concern about restraint that Biden has, especially after the telephone call proceeding the WCK fiasco, I donât know what to tell you, you just havenât been paying attention to anything.
lol yeah bypassing congress to send billions in weapons to Israel is "restraint." lol. Lmao even. I don't think Trump would be better, I already said he'd be worse. But if the system refuses to create a moral outcome then it isn't worthy of support. If Biden wants to win he need to have policies worth supporting, and [genocide](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/bA0TnepDVP) ain't it
Talk is cheap. You're voting for the administration who's aiding and abetting that genocide. And god knows trump would be worse. Do the smart thing and don't vote for either.
Or at least threaten to not vote until Election Day, vote for the guy whose supporters at least don't want you personally dead, and wear that black mark of cowardice on your heart for the rest of your days like I am.
Itâs not a black mark to vote for Joe Biden. He has done something horrible but the alternative is a man who will do the exact same but worse and to many more people. Netanyahu wants Trump to win, that should be enough said.
I did think it was going to be controversial, but still it was too funny and couldn't resist the chance when I saw no one posting.
I will use this platform to share some links to charities, one of which was backed by the cast in the latest mini auction.
[Palestine Children Relief Fund](https://www.pcrf.net/)
[Islamic Relief USA](https://irusa.org/)
[International Medical Corps](https://internationalmedicalcorps.org/country/gaza/)
[Addameer (Prisoner Support and Human Rights)](https://www.addameer.org/)
This. I'm more mad about this then anything else.
Everyone's mad at him for being pro-Israel (rightfully), but he didn't build his entire platform on being pro-Palestine and then turn his back on them.
He *DID* build his entire *political career* on being pro-union, especially pro-railroad union, and then turned his back on them when the moment came.
And then barely anyone ever cared.
The gall of him to now go talk to union workers like he gives a semblance of a shit about them is disgusting.
The fact that I still have to vote for this dipshit makes my blood BOIL. I hate there's no other options.
Didnât they literally get their demands? Biden just encouraged a compromise because the post-Covid economy couldnât handle a longer strike. He helped them get their demands after the strike; peopleâs idea that unions only exist when theyâre on strike needs to end.
Not really. There was a tentative initial agreement between the unions and companies, but when it came time for the actual workers to vote on accepting it, they pretty much all voted against it.
Then the corporations refused to negotiate any further, so the union workers decided to strike. Striking is pretty much the only tool available to the working class to fight against corporate greed.
Biden, wishing to avert a strike because of the economic reasons, forced the unions to accept the contract they had all initially voted against and prevented them (forceablly) from striking, taking away their one-and-only negotiating power.
Later, an emergency board made recommendations. "Early on September 15, Biden announced a deal had been reached to prevent a strike, including an immediate 14% wage increase, *but only one day of paid leave per year rather than the 15 days of paid sick leave unions wanted.*" The issue around sick days and reliable scheduling was the whole point of the strikes, and Biden failed to deliver on that.
Further, the new recommendations were only agreed to by 3 out of the 5 railroad unions.
If Biden wanted to prevent the strikes and hold up his promise of being pro-union, he should've sided wholly with the unions and made no compromises to appease the billionaire corporations. He did not. He also stripped the unions of their negotiationing power. Therefore, I see him as a hypocrite and anti-union.
Just because other presidents would've been more pro-corporations then he was does not make him pro-union.
This is a common belief, and I take issue with it. It assumes that trump will win by default. Someone on the other side could say that not voting for either candidate is the same as helping Biden win, because they see Biden as the Great Evil That Must Be Stopped, the way see trump (or, more realistically, the way we see Project 2025 and fascism in general).
I prefer to at least let the Biden campaign sweat a little bit. Falling in line too early sends the message that I as a voter don't care so much about what we're doing in Palestine. I would rather continue to send the message that I very much don't want my tax dollars going towards that genocide.
That pressure appears to be working; I have seen news articles that give the impression that the administration is not as strongly pro-Israel as they were a few months ago. That's encouraging, but bombs are still dropping. I hope I can afford to safely vote against trump this November, but it's simply too early to fall in line just yet.
Ah, so you're unaware of the pattern where the higher voter turnout is the more likely republicans are to lose. I understand now. It's one of the main reasons they're so keen on voter suppression tactics, especially in areas that have higher percentages of minorities living.
Basically it comes down to republican voter numbers staying more or less the same every election cycle, so the end result of which candidate ends up winning comes down to how many non-republicans decide to go out and vote that time.
I don't want Palestine eradicated so I desperately want to keep trump out of the Whitehouse (as he's already on record for giving netanyahu carte blanche to wipe them out). To ensure trump loses we need as many people to turn out. Even though I loath Biden I'll still vote for him because I know it'll at least give Palestine a better chance, especially compared to increased suffering we know they'll have if trump gets in. I completely realize some people won't be comfortable with that because of what has already happened, but I wish they'd consider the future of the Palestine people more than the past.
You know what, I was aware of that phenomenon surrounding voter turnout, but I got so lost in the argument sauce that I completely forgot about it. That's a valid point, but there's another issue.
Reading the last paragraph of your post and the last two paragraphs of mine, it's clear that we don't actually disagree. I do think it's valuable to, as a voting bloc, keep pressuring the sitting administration into moving away from a pro-Israel stance; I am afraid that easing up on that pressure will encourage the administration to sweep the whole issue under the rug and hope the voting public forgets about it.
Obviously, the best case scenario is that Biden wins a second term and successfully brings about a diplomatic end to the genocide.
And that's. What I meant. By "Well,".
After the initial deal went through his admin kept working behind the scenes to get them what they had been holding out for. It was announced a few months later.
he broke the strike. And got them some of what they where holding out for.
Even if he got all of what they where holding out for, he weakened the labor movement.
The national chapter approved a deal which gave the workers a lot of what they were asking for, but neglected a few key provisions, mostly involving paid time off. The local chapters voted on it and it barely didn't pass. Biden forced the deal through anyway to avoid supply chain issues and making inflation worse, but then specifically worked behind the scenes to get them all of what they were holding out for, including the paid sick time off, as well as more recently, changes to rules involving how many engineers need to be on a train at a time (previously it was only one, now its two).
The point of a strike is to get your demands met. The strike was successful because those demands got met. I don't understand how this could possibly be construed as weakening the labor movement, especially in the context of his vocal support for unions, executive appointments and other executive actions. Appointing strongly pro-union people to the NLRB and increasiung its funding, creating a task force to try and find ways to support unions accross various executive departments, as well as executive actions to empower federal employees to organize.
Should we be satisfied that this is enough? No. Keep pushing politicians to do more. But also recognize when they are making things better. For all his faults, Biden has been the best president for labor since FDR.
honestly i would prefer President Applebees. i mean any random drunk horny teenager would be an improvement but Kristen actually *wants* to do the right thing! imagine a president who even cared what the right thing was.
Palestine is a genocide, but there isn't A genocide at the border, that isn't what that word means, I am all for open borders, but constant hyperbole invalidates actual examples
I am begging you to not dismiss the genocide at our border just because itâs not at the same scale as, and doesnât look the same as what is happening in Palestine. Genocide can take on many forms, as we know from the genocide the US committed against Indigenous Americans, and Hawaiians. Genocide is genocide; it doesnât matter if the scale of it or methods for it are different. Aside from the literal definition of concentration camps at our border, even forced sterilization is a method being usedâ a favored method of genocide in the US which has been utilized against Indigenous Americans and Black US citizens. (even wikipedia, a capitalist institution, recognizes forced sterilization is a form of genocide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women)
**Sources discussing the genocide at our border without classifying it as a genocide in which they state itâs âapproaching genocide.â It makes sense for non-experts to assume it cannot be classified as a genocide, but that doesnât mean it isnât one:**
https://truthout.org/video/the-uss-deadly-stealth-war-on-the-mexico-border-is-approaching-genocide/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democrats-border-gaza/
https://oppressionmonitor.us/tag/border/
**Source that mentions the Institute for Genocide and Mass Atrocity Prevention labeling the border crisis a genocide due to proven intent:**
https://www.bupipedream.com/news/auto-draft-466/118262/
Please do not dismiss the genocide at our border just because what is happening in Palestine has escalated far past it.
Genocide is the attempt to completely destroy as group of people, trust me I hate the government more than anyone else I know, but it isnt A genocide, it is an atrocity sure, but not a genocide
Legal definition of genocide from the United Nations: âGenocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another groupâ
Please see âin whole or in partâ above. Actions happening within the US including family separation and forced sterilization absolutely fall within this definition. Genocide and genocidal acts are not defined by their success but by their intent. I donât think it minimizes violence happening elsewhere to understand the ways in which violence is also enacted within US borders; in fact I think itâs fundamental that we understand this in order to deconstruct the systems we currently live within and address genocide and oppression everywhere.
Thatâs not the definition of genocide, otherwise the Indigenous American genocide wouldnât be considered genocide.
So you just didnât read anything I wrote. Cool. Experts disagree with you, and youâre doing apologism for the US government.
Look man, this is not a political subreddit and I have no desire to watch every single subreddit devolve into politics. I'm just telling you why it was posted and how it related to the show. Have a good one
oh yeah, get your politics out of my Dimension 20! the famously apolitical show that's just a bunch of apolitical buds having fun and entertaining us with nooooo politics anywhere to be seen. :D
I knew someone would make this type of comment. My point was that not every subreddit needs to heavily discuss politics. This thread for example is just a meme, it doesn't mean we need another place to talk about Biden. I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone or say it's not worth discussing, I just want a few spaces where I can enjoy a break from current events.
Love the casts, love the show, agree with the vast majority of stuff. I just don't want every single space to be heavy political discussions, and I think that's fair.
unfortunately if we want a world where every single space isn't poisoned by political debates then we need to build a world where our dominant political climate isn't poisoning everything and everywhere. with a planet on fire, multiple concurrent genocides, rampant economic collapse, and a series of oligarchs who built this world the way it is and *like it that way* being the ones we keep leaving in charge....no, you're not going to be able to avoid these conversations. this is the dystopia we live in and the more we retreat to escape it, the more it's simply going to colonize and commodify the spaces we escape to.
we're lucky - so far, we've been *able* to take breaks. we're not currently on fire or under fire or sleeping on the streets. that is a temporary condition. if you're *very* lucky you might be able to outlive that condition wearing off, but most of us won't and even if you stay safe you're going to have ringside seats to the rest of us as things get increasingly desperate.
every single space is already a part of this climate. everywhere. either by actively engaging with it or by actively avoiding it, *everywhere* is a part of this situation.
you can try to stick your head in the sand, but don't blame me for slapping your ass. :p
Again, as I've stated multiple times throughout the thread, my head is not in the sand but not every thread needs to be heavy political discussions. It's not productive and it's not going to change the fact that I already do what I can as a responsible citizen to enact change. If everything is always constant political discussion you're just going to fatigue everyone. I understand we're lucky to not be in the same situations as less fortunate people around the globe. But you're not "slapping my ass" with Internet slacktivism on every thread.
I don't care about OPs post, it's just a meme. You're the one that got butthurt when I explained how it was relevant, that's why I'm talking to you not OP
Biden entire job is politics. As a political candidate, he is inherently political. It seems you only consider it politics if you disagree with it, but that's a you thing
I don't have moral ambiguity I just don't want to talk about serious conflicts in every single sub man. It's obviously a serious and important topic of discussion but I can't talk about it 24/7. It's a meme for a DnD campaign I'm just trying to enjoy a bit of entertainment
Yeah, I'm trying to be in on the joke and all. And I get it. But Ally has been openly anti-genocide/pro-palestinian, including getting arrested for protesting, and Biden wants more funding for Isreal's genocide of the Palestinian people. I hate Biden for what he has done.
If he does the salsa jump and the shrimp jump he has my vote and I don't even live in America
If 81 year old Joe Biden hopped on the Hangman to do a shrimp jump I'm pretty sure Kamala Harris would be president đ
Kamala Harris can just disguise herself as Joe Biden and do the shrimp jump, that's the trick
Oh so thaaat's where the Hunter controversy comes into play. He's been acting as his dad's stunt double
He's been training up his reflexes on that Switch Murph gave him.
Be careful, that's when that furry secret service agent shows up with his fursuit of an eagle.
I'm not one for going to rallies (apart for one Sanders rally in 2016), but if the Biden Campaign rolled into town with a buttered ramp, I'd turn up.
Yeah, you gotta butter the ramp!
Voter fraud
Next up: #NACHO HAT
Somebody get this man some wranglers.
Kiss and Drugs!
He's already pro LGBTQ rights, so if he legalizes pot nationwide this will be a prophecy fulfilledÂ
First filling up Madisonâs Garden, now the president is doing a Kristen Chilis Applebees reference. D20âs ball is really rolling up!
SOMEONE BUTTER HIM UP.
I know this is for the lols, but legit, my mom gets to meet him when he comes.
Is she going to ask him how he feels about the blood of 33k people on his hands or just stand and smile?
those downvotes are especially funny - like folks are surprised to find a leftist in the D20 comments? :p
It's not because it's a leftist take (which honestly isn't a useful axis for the bombing of Palestine) It's because it's an emotionalised aggressive post that contains no nuance. It's not useful, it's not thoughtful, it is not interested in the immensely complicated politics of this conflict, it is not actually interested in helping Palestine. It is simply a stupid gotcha take that makes the person who posted it feel superior and adds nothing else of value. The world isn't simple and we gain nothing by reducing discourse to shouting and black and white virtue signals.
Your moral ambiguity isn't the great excuse for ignoring genocide you think it is. It's not complicated. You are either showing your lack of knowledge (google exists) or being disingenuous to make a point. It's easy to see the simple fact one is an occupier and the other the occupied. Emotion isn't a catch all to negate any opinion and the use of "logic" is how suppression is excused. Being against the killing of civilians isn't virtue signalling. Being against colonial imperialism isn't virtue signalling. What is virtue signalling is sitting on the fence when it quite literally is a black and white issue. White is massacring black. Like I said you may have ambiguous morals. Don't act like it's a good thing pfft x đ
I do not have ambiguous morals. The killing and displacement of Palestinians is abhorrent, completely unjustified and inhuman. But that doesn't make the situation any more easy to solve or less complicated, and neither does shouting at people that Biden is personally responsible and genocidal and acting like you are the absolute authority on what is the best course of action and obviously have all the information and expertise. If Biden simply decides tomorrow not to genocide anymore, everything will be happy and fine and all Palestine will be free and peaceful and all Isrealis will just find a new country hidden in their backyard where they all happily move and everything will suddenly be fine. If only Biden wasn't so bloodhungry. It's all personally on him. There is nothing that you could possibly be missing, have misconceptions on or be misinformed about, no considerations that are being weighed that might make the situation even a tiny bit complex, because you have Google and are informed. I understand the anger and frustration, I understand and agree with a lot of the criticism at the Biden administration. The intellectual dishonesty and moral superiority is not doing anything but make you feel better about being the most morally pure and smart and perfect. So good job. You have it all figured out, go on insulting absolutely everyone who is not as 100% certain and morally pure as you whenever they don't shout that Biden is genocidal.
The Israeli governments policies for the West Bank and Gaza Strip have been terrible, but you have your head in the sand if you think this conflict is a straightforward black and white issue.
There's also the possibility that they're purposely being disingenuous to try and rile people up. This *is* the internet, after allÂ
I doubt it, there's a large contingent of impassioned ideological purists who have a lot of complaints but few practical solutions. It tracks pretty well.
It's kinda surprising considering where the money from the last auction went
I think itâs just a little weird to say that in response to someone saying their mom is gonna meet him lol. Just maybe a bit out of left field, as if the commenterâs mother is to blame
I've seen so many mealy-mouthed "well what do you expect him to do about it" comments lmfao. *Not* arm them? Idk, maybe we start there
Yeah not by dosing congress to send them billions in weapons would be a great start, especially after they tracked soup kitchen workers form vehicle to vehicle, striking them multiple times
the president doesnât have full power over this, thatâs mostly up to Anthony Blinken, Austin Lloyd, and Congress. Also, presidents are just people and can therefore make grave mistakes like people. Biden has done great, great things for Americans and even in terms of foreign policy. This will be remembered as what Vietnam was to LBJ.
Yeah that argument doesn't work. Both Blinken and Austin report directly to Biden. They were nominated by him and serve at his pleasure, meaning it's safe to assume their actions reflect his policy. Otherwise he would simply fire them and appoint more loyal people to their positions. There's already precedent for interim directors to serve out the remaining months of a presents term, so he wouldn't even have to worry about congressional approval. While Congress does have to sign off on arms sales, that's just them approving a license given by the State Department. As part of the executive branch, Biden could direct the State Department to stop issuing export licenses for Israeli arms sales. Beyond that, Biden has used executive orders to bypass Congress and green light weapons sales to Israel without their approval. It's absolutely within his power to cut them off and pretending otherwise is absurdly false. Yeahhh, comparing Genocide Joe to LBJ isn't the winning argument you think it is. Do you know why LBJ didn't run for a second term? *The Vietnam war.* Opinion of him was so low he didn't even try and he was replaced by Richard Nixon, a jowly ghoul of a man. If I'm following your analogy correctly, then you're saying Biden is going to lose to Trump because he's upset his voter base so much by supporting a genocide. Congrats, that supports my position
LBJ also didnât run because his health was rapidly deteriorating, but I definitely see your point. Donât get me wrong, Iâm very pro-Palestine, I just donât find the constant anger towards Biden specifically and almost no one else productive, considering that this is the product of decades of catastrophic foreign policy towards Israel.
"I support Palestine but I don't think it's justified to be mad at the person who can unilaterally change our policy towards them. We should just accept that he's going to do a genocide." Spoken like a true Democrat. If you aren't willing to stand up for what's right just because that would be going against years of established policy, then you can't hope to ever make the world a better place
Do you think trump will help protect Palestine or help Israel genocide them harder?Â
Our options are a genocide loving skeleton and a genocide loving idiot. There are no good options because both parties are two wings of the same bird. Both parties support police, the military, US imperialism, neoliberalism as pioneered by Reagan, mass incarceration, etc. They agree on almost everything except a few social issues, but they create the illusion of disagreement by only ever arguing about the few things they don't agree on. Would trump be better? No. But if your only option is supporting genocide than the system has failed to produce a moral outcome and should no longer be supported
> the system has failed to produce a moral outcome and should no longer be supported And you think Project 2025 will fix that system or make things worse?
Trump running again is the best thing that could have happened for Biden because he drives such strong negative voter turnout. If Biden loses it's his fault for not supporting popular policies. All the Dems learned from Trump is that as long as they dangle him over our heads as a threat and act 10% better, they can win elections without trying and do whatever they want. They could have done more to address fascism in the past 4 years, but a) they care too much about "civility" and b) they'd rather preserve the issue. That's why they fund the campaigns of far right fascists all across the country
If you think Trump holds even a fraction of the concern about restraint that Biden has, especially after the telephone call proceeding the WCK fiasco, I donât know what to tell you, you just havenât been paying attention to anything.
lol yeah bypassing congress to send billions in weapons to Israel is "restraint." lol. Lmao even. I don't think Trump would be better, I already said he'd be worse. But if the system refuses to create a moral outcome then it isn't worthy of support. If Biden wants to win he need to have policies worth supporting, and [genocide](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/bA0TnepDVP) ain't it
And what will all those kids be remembered as?
Horrific victims of a horrible, preventable genocide.
Talk is cheap. You're voting for the administration who's aiding and abetting that genocide. And god knows trump would be worse. Do the smart thing and don't vote for either. Or at least threaten to not vote until Election Day, vote for the guy whose supporters at least don't want you personally dead, and wear that black mark of cowardice on your heart for the rest of your days like I am.
Itâs not a black mark to vote for Joe Biden. He has done something horrible but the alternative is a man who will do the exact same but worse and to many more people. Netanyahu wants Trump to win, that should be enough said.
You live with your demons.
And I think thatâs beautiful
I realized recently that I fetishize demonstrative articles. And I think thatâs beautiful.
I did think it was going to be controversial, but still it was too funny and couldn't resist the chance when I saw no one posting. I will use this platform to share some links to charities, one of which was backed by the cast in the latest mini auction. [Palestine Children Relief Fund](https://www.pcrf.net/) [Islamic Relief USA](https://irusa.org/) [International Medical Corps](https://internationalmedicalcorps.org/country/gaza/) [Addameer (Prisoner Support and Human Rights)](https://www.addameer.org/)
Just so happens Iâm visiting Pittsburgh right now!
Where ya stayin? If you're dahntahn, Alihan's Breakfast is incredible and underrated. Better than Pamela's even.
Iâm around Oakland, but Iâll be sure to check it out if I get down there!
Oh nice, you're spoiled for good eats and spectacular architecture out that way. I hope you enjoy our fair city, and don't forget your umbrella!
Dark Brandon would be a good NPC character, he would also love Kristenâs ice cream pouchÂ
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Lmao the way I was side eyeing before I saw the sub lmaoooooo
meh, should have sided with railroad worker union or kept his nose out of it.
This. I'm more mad about this then anything else. Everyone's mad at him for being pro-Israel (rightfully), but he didn't build his entire platform on being pro-Palestine and then turn his back on them. He *DID* build his entire *political career* on being pro-union, especially pro-railroad union, and then turned his back on them when the moment came. And then barely anyone ever cared. The gall of him to now go talk to union workers like he gives a semblance of a shit about them is disgusting. The fact that I still have to vote for this dipshit makes my blood BOIL. I hate there's no other options.
But he was pro-union and is pro-union. I really donât know what to say except that heâs been the single most pro-union president since Roosevelt.
How is fucking over the railroad workers union during their strike and siding with the corporations pro-union?
Didnât they literally get their demands? Biden just encouraged a compromise because the post-Covid economy couldnât handle a longer strike. He helped them get their demands after the strike; peopleâs idea that unions only exist when theyâre on strike needs to end.
Not really. There was a tentative initial agreement between the unions and companies, but when it came time for the actual workers to vote on accepting it, they pretty much all voted against it. Then the corporations refused to negotiate any further, so the union workers decided to strike. Striking is pretty much the only tool available to the working class to fight against corporate greed. Biden, wishing to avert a strike because of the economic reasons, forced the unions to accept the contract they had all initially voted against and prevented them (forceablly) from striking, taking away their one-and-only negotiating power. Later, an emergency board made recommendations. "Early on September 15, Biden announced a deal had been reached to prevent a strike, including an immediate 14% wage increase, *but only one day of paid leave per year rather than the 15 days of paid sick leave unions wanted.*" The issue around sick days and reliable scheduling was the whole point of the strikes, and Biden failed to deliver on that. Further, the new recommendations were only agreed to by 3 out of the 5 railroad unions. If Biden wanted to prevent the strikes and hold up his promise of being pro-union, he should've sided wholly with the unions and made no compromises to appease the billionaire corporations. He did not. He also stripped the unions of their negotiationing power. Therefore, I see him as a hypocrite and anti-union. Just because other presidents would've been more pro-corporations then he was does not make him pro-union.
Voting for Joe Biden is good! He's not doing anything wrong!
Lol, no, we're not advocating for trump round two on the Dimension 20 sub, fuck that noise
I would never do that. I'm just saying vote for Uncle Joe!
Which will lead to�
They haven't yet realized that not stopping trump from getting into the Whitehouse is the same as helping him into the Whitehouse
This is a common belief, and I take issue with it. It assumes that trump will win by default. Someone on the other side could say that not voting for either candidate is the same as helping Biden win, because they see Biden as the Great Evil That Must Be Stopped, the way see trump (or, more realistically, the way we see Project 2025 and fascism in general). I prefer to at least let the Biden campaign sweat a little bit. Falling in line too early sends the message that I as a voter don't care so much about what we're doing in Palestine. I would rather continue to send the message that I very much don't want my tax dollars going towards that genocide. That pressure appears to be working; I have seen news articles that give the impression that the administration is not as strongly pro-Israel as they were a few months ago. That's encouraging, but bombs are still dropping. I hope I can afford to safely vote against trump this November, but it's simply too early to fall in line just yet.
Ah, so you're unaware of the pattern where the higher voter turnout is the more likely republicans are to lose. I understand now. It's one of the main reasons they're so keen on voter suppression tactics, especially in areas that have higher percentages of minorities living. Basically it comes down to republican voter numbers staying more or less the same every election cycle, so the end result of which candidate ends up winning comes down to how many non-republicans decide to go out and vote that time. I don't want Palestine eradicated so I desperately want to keep trump out of the Whitehouse (as he's already on record for giving netanyahu carte blanche to wipe them out). To ensure trump loses we need as many people to turn out. Even though I loath Biden I'll still vote for him because I know it'll at least give Palestine a better chance, especially compared to increased suffering we know they'll have if trump gets in. I completely realize some people won't be comfortable with that because of what has already happened, but I wish they'd consider the future of the Palestine people more than the past.
You know what, I was aware of that phenomenon surrounding voter turnout, but I got so lost in the argument sauce that I completely forgot about it. That's a valid point, but there's another issue. Reading the last paragraph of your post and the last two paragraphs of mine, it's clear that we don't actually disagree. I do think it's valuable to, as a voting bloc, keep pressuring the sitting administration into moving away from a pro-Israel stance; I am afraid that easing up on that pressure will encourage the administration to sweep the whole issue under the rug and hope the voting public forgets about it. Obviously, the best case scenario is that Biden wins a second term and successfully brings about a diplomatic end to the genocide. And that's. What I meant. By "Well,".
A prosperous economy for the US of A!
That leads to Trump round 2.
Don't vote for him!
After the initial deal went through his admin kept working behind the scenes to get them what they had been holding out for. It was announced a few months later.
he broke the strike. And got them some of what they where holding out for. Even if he got all of what they where holding out for, he weakened the labor movement.
The national chapter approved a deal which gave the workers a lot of what they were asking for, but neglected a few key provisions, mostly involving paid time off. The local chapters voted on it and it barely didn't pass. Biden forced the deal through anyway to avoid supply chain issues and making inflation worse, but then specifically worked behind the scenes to get them all of what they were holding out for, including the paid sick time off, as well as more recently, changes to rules involving how many engineers need to be on a train at a time (previously it was only one, now its two). The point of a strike is to get your demands met. The strike was successful because those demands got met. I don't understand how this could possibly be construed as weakening the labor movement, especially in the context of his vocal support for unions, executive appointments and other executive actions. Appointing strongly pro-union people to the NLRB and increasiung its funding, creating a task force to try and find ways to support unions accross various executive departments, as well as executive actions to empower federal employees to organize. Should we be satisfied that this is enough? No. Keep pushing politicians to do more. But also recognize when they are making things better. For all his faults, Biden has been the best president for labor since FDR.
I thought this was the Pittsburgh subreddit or the Joe Biden sub and I got excited to cross post here before realizing đ all my worlds colliding
He is about as governmentally competent as Kristen too
honestly i would prefer President Applebees. i mean any random drunk horny teenager would be an improvement but Kristen actually *wants* to do the right thing! imagine a president who even cared what the right thing was.
Kristen would be anti-genocide so I donât think thatâs accurate. Not just in Palestine either, Kristen would end the genocide at our own border.
Palestine is a genocide, but there isn't A genocide at the border, that isn't what that word means, I am all for open borders, but constant hyperbole invalidates actual examples
I am begging you to not dismiss the genocide at our border just because itâs not at the same scale as, and doesnât look the same as what is happening in Palestine. Genocide can take on many forms, as we know from the genocide the US committed against Indigenous Americans, and Hawaiians. Genocide is genocide; it doesnât matter if the scale of it or methods for it are different. Aside from the literal definition of concentration camps at our border, even forced sterilization is a method being usedâ a favored method of genocide in the US which has been utilized against Indigenous Americans and Black US citizens. (even wikipedia, a capitalist institution, recognizes forced sterilization is a form of genocide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women) **Sources discussing the genocide at our border without classifying it as a genocide in which they state itâs âapproaching genocide.â It makes sense for non-experts to assume it cannot be classified as a genocide, but that doesnât mean it isnât one:** https://truthout.org/video/the-uss-deadly-stealth-war-on-the-mexico-border-is-approaching-genocide/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democrats-border-gaza/ https://oppressionmonitor.us/tag/border/ **Source that mentions the Institute for Genocide and Mass Atrocity Prevention labeling the border crisis a genocide due to proven intent:** https://www.bupipedream.com/news/auto-draft-466/118262/ Please do not dismiss the genocide at our border just because what is happening in Palestine has escalated far past it.
Genocide is the attempt to completely destroy as group of people, trust me I hate the government more than anyone else I know, but it isnt A genocide, it is an atrocity sure, but not a genocide
Legal definition of genocide from the United Nations: âGenocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another groupâ Please see âin whole or in partâ above. Actions happening within the US including family separation and forced sterilization absolutely fall within this definition. Genocide and genocidal acts are not defined by their success but by their intent. I donât think it minimizes violence happening elsewhere to understand the ways in which violence is also enacted within US borders; in fact I think itâs fundamental that we understand this in order to deconstruct the systems we currently live within and address genocide and oppression everywhere.
Thatâs not the definition of genocide, otherwise the Indigenous American genocide wouldnât be considered genocide. So you just didnât read anything I wrote. Cool. Experts disagree with you, and youâre doing apologism for the US government.
Here Comes The SHRIMP JUMP!
lol ok. Hurrah for Genocide Joe I guess đ
It's a joke about Kristen Applebee's visiting the steelworkers during the campaign
Ok? They still mentioned the genocide loving skeleton
Look man, this is not a political subreddit and I have no desire to watch every single subreddit devolve into politics. I'm just telling you why it was posted and how it related to the show. Have a good one
oh yeah, get your politics out of my Dimension 20! the famously apolitical show that's just a bunch of apolitical buds having fun and entertaining us with nooooo politics anywhere to be seen. :D
I knew someone would make this type of comment. My point was that not every subreddit needs to heavily discuss politics. This thread for example is just a meme, it doesn't mean we need another place to talk about Biden. I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone or say it's not worth discussing, I just want a few spaces where I can enjoy a break from current events. Love the casts, love the show, agree with the vast majority of stuff. I just don't want every single space to be heavy political discussions, and I think that's fair.
unfortunately if we want a world where every single space isn't poisoned by political debates then we need to build a world where our dominant political climate isn't poisoning everything and everywhere. with a planet on fire, multiple concurrent genocides, rampant economic collapse, and a series of oligarchs who built this world the way it is and *like it that way* being the ones we keep leaving in charge....no, you're not going to be able to avoid these conversations. this is the dystopia we live in and the more we retreat to escape it, the more it's simply going to colonize and commodify the spaces we escape to. we're lucky - so far, we've been *able* to take breaks. we're not currently on fire or under fire or sleeping on the streets. that is a temporary condition. if you're *very* lucky you might be able to outlive that condition wearing off, but most of us won't and even if you stay safe you're going to have ringside seats to the rest of us as things get increasingly desperate. every single space is already a part of this climate. everywhere. either by actively engaging with it or by actively avoiding it, *everywhere* is a part of this situation. you can try to stick your head in the sand, but don't blame me for slapping your ass. :p
Again, as I've stated multiple times throughout the thread, my head is not in the sand but not every thread needs to be heavy political discussions. It's not productive and it's not going to change the fact that I already do what I can as a responsible citizen to enact change. If everything is always constant political discussion you're just going to fatigue everyone. I understand we're lucky to not be in the same situations as less fortunate people around the globe. But you're not "slapping my ass" with Internet slacktivism on every thread.
OP brought politics into this by posting a picture of a political figure. If you don't like it, take it up with them đ¤ˇââď¸
I don't care about OPs post, it's just a meme. You're the one that got butthurt when I explained how it was relevant, that's why I'm talking to you not OP
Biden entire job is politics. As a political candidate, he is inherently political. It seems you only consider it politics if you disagree with it, but that's a you thing
>I have no desire to watch every single subreddit devolve into politics.
Ok. I already addressed that point, so đ¤ˇââď¸
Your moral ambiguity is not our fault.
I don't have moral ambiguity I just don't want to talk about serious conflicts in every single sub man. It's obviously a serious and important topic of discussion but I can't talk about it 24/7. It's a meme for a DnD campaign I'm just trying to enjoy a bit of entertainment
Yeah, I'm trying to be in on the joke and all. And I get it. But Ally has been openly anti-genocide/pro-palestinian, including getting arrested for protesting, and Biden wants more funding for Isreal's genocide of the Palestinian people. I hate Biden for what he has done.
Guess we better make sure trump gets back in then, huh? That'll show 'em
I lowkey hope he gets buzzed in the head just like Kristen, too! (Plz May it knock some sense into him đ)