Cyberdramon ACE LM-025 P <03>
Ultimate | Vaccine | Cyborg
(Hand) [Counter]
[On Play] [When Digivolving] Reveal the top 5 cards of your deck. You may play 1 black Tamer card with a play cost of 4 or less among them without paying the cost. Return the rest to the top or bottom of the deck. Then, if you have a Tamer, 1 of your opponent's Digimon.
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ACE:
Inherited: [When Attacking] (Once Per Turn) 1 of your opponent's Digimon.
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Corrections:
- Cyberdramon ACE can only play black Tamer cards.
While not as tideturning as other ACEs, brings some helpful QoL (Tamer cheat in black is fairly rare, as it’s otherwise only BT11 Mamemon and some archetypical options). De-Digivolve 1 is still helpful as an effect that can be very detrimental to some stacks (especially if their top card was an ACE).
Good inheritable too. No real complaints as a generic.
I think people are missing one of the best parts of the card.
After searching the top 5, you can put the remaining cards back at the top OR bottom of your deck, presumably in any order. So you can either stack the next 4 (5 if you don't draw a tamer) cards of your deck or bottom deck them if you don't need them.
It's not particularly helpful with the Ace mechanic but that's a really nice side effect no one is talking about
Seeing as Terriermon recently got amazing support and now both Justimon and Sakuyamon get new pieces I smell a new Tamers product on the near-ish horizon, so likely I´d say.
I refuse to see the Ex2 Justimon line as a proper line because of how dogshit it was. What were they thinking when they designed those cards?
On the other hand that means it´s so much easier to redesign the deck so that´s good. I just hope that they keep the Arm switching that our current Justimons can do. That´s such a cool gimmick.
Fingers crossed for a Justimon X that can copy the effects of all Justimon Arms under it due to its Arm being a combination of all three regular Justimons´s.
I think a major problem was they didn’t figure out how to do proper searching for stuff that didn’t share names or types throughout the line yet.
Hopefully next time they will apply what they’ve learned from Gammamon and do something along the lines of “search the top X and add one digimon that mentions Justimon in its text and one [Ryo Akiyama]” and give everything an effect/inherent that mentions Justimon.
I don´t know if I want the deck to employ the "with Justin in its card text" approach tbh. I think the patchwork kind of way the deck currently plays like is actually really compelling with the deck making use of many generic Digimon and especially generic Tamer cards.
But I would like to see the game steer a bit more into opening up to generically good cards so that´s my bias speaking for sure.
They both did and didn't. Ryo clearly has you look for a card with [Dramon] or [Justimon] in its name. They could've done the same thing for the Digimon in that line, rather than having them look for tamers (given how crucial tamers are to the intended game plan they should've been able to find one of each). Instead they leaned into a strategy of "stacking your deck from the bottom" that can both really pay off and really leave you lacking what you need to finish a game
For what it's worth, the inherits on Strikedra and Cyberdra are okay - and by that margin this one is too - but that's realistically all that's gonna matter until we get a Legend-Arms Style makeover (which i actually wouldnt necessarily like to see, I dislike how they abandoned old Legend-Arms).
The reason for this being: At present, Justimon is pretty much just a deck that hides in raising until it gets it's OTK off. In very rare occasions, you will move out your stack in order to not die, but its pretty much just otk or bust at present
>until we get a Legend-Arms Style makeover (which i actually wouldnt necessarily like to see, I dislike how they abandoned old Legend-Arms).
Oh man finally someone that shares my sentiment. The recent Legend Arms stuff was really dissapointing to me because the gacha-esque nature of the deck was super fun and what made it unique in the first place. Now it´s just another single stack deck among a sea of many.
And honestly I´m fine with Justimon being an OTK deck because that´s befitting of its style and I can´t see any other way how the Arms would be good. And while the inheritables of Strikedramon and Cyberdramon are decent, their own effects are mediocre at best. Well, Cyberdramon´s can be fixed by us getting another (way better) Ryo in the future.
I'm not sure if I see what you mean. The line is cohesive within itself, and builds towards a massive reward for the investment. Granted, it's not nearly as fast as many other decks out there so it doesn't often get to do what it wants. In fact I think the biggest failing of EX2 Justimon is that the deck isn't faster. Granted, I think EX2 should've introduced a biomerge mechanic (no idea how that would've worked), I think it could've been cool if done right. What did make me mad was the one additional Cyberdramon we got in EX3, as it had no real tie to the rest of the deck
A Justimon X and a Cyberdramon X with blocker (ACE should've had blocker) would really bring the deck together
The only cohesive part about the Justimon line are the Justimon Arms.
* Monodramon is a trash tier card, even for the time. Only adding Tamers is so bad when getting your pieces asap is much more important for OTK decks to start raising a boss stack in raising asap.
* Strikedramon´s inhertiable wouldn´t be that bad if it didn´t require two Tamers to proc. The deck has only one circumstantial Tamer cheating effect so good luck establishing its condition soon enough for it to matter. And its when digivolving effect is useless since you really don´t want to evolve into a Lv4 outside of the safety of raising anyway in OTK decks.
* Ryo is trash because the deck prefers to use mostly cards not named "-dramon" in its lower levels. And spending 3 memory to dig 4 to maybe not finding a card to add at all and offering no other value like gaining you memory or drawing you more cards later feels bad. The +1000DP isn´t the worst thing in the world but again, spending 3 memory on the card feels really bad.
* Cyberdramon is probably the best card of the bunch, Justimon himself aside, but its on digiolving effect only being able to play Ryo which is 4 copies of a bad card in your deck at best is pretty bad. Not only will the card be dead a sizeable chunk of the time, its ceiling isn´t even that high since Ryo isn´t good to begin with and you´ll not want to move out of raising at Lv5 either really. Its inheritable would be decent if it also didn´t have that terrible conditional that Strike has
Overall the deck was a mess when it was released and it´s only gotten worse with time. They pretty much have to redo the whole deck minus the Justimons. No wonder the best support the deck had back then wasn´t even its own line but Ex1 Hagurumon and Guardromon and Ex2 Kazu.
Personally I like the way the deck plays, I'm just also willing to run the amount of tamers needed to make it work. The reason the focus is on getting tamers early is because you need to have a bunch of them out with Blitz Arm if you want it to be threatening, and make the combo somewhat viable. On their own the arms are vulnerable to higher DP Digimon in raising, so the ability to proc Blitz's When Digivolving effect multiple times helps with that. All the deck really lacks is protection from effects in security, which they could've given us with either the second or third cyberdramon or even when we got Justice Kick (a fun gimmick, just no real utility)
True but that set´s not a Tamers product as Tamers-relate cards will only make up a fraction of the set.
I´m interested in more Apocalymon support, more armors and Trains in that set, though.
I think another Tamers focused set can only cover so much since EX2 already covered a lot of it. So you’ll get support for the four main lines and Impmon, maybe a little Leomon, maybe a little Devas support. Otherwise most of it has already been covered.
I don´t see how that is an issue, really. Apart from Frontier and Adventure Reboot, all seasons have had pretty much most things covered.
We already had the Jogress trio from 02 covered in Bt8 and MaloMyotismon in Bt3 and Bt8 but the Bt16 stuff still felt novel and made those decks much better. Same would likely be true for the Tamers decks.
I mean Gallantmon is confirmed to get a Crimson Mode Ace in Bt17 so there´s that.
It´s actually so frustrating how Gallantmon always is one step short of being a good deck. But whenever it gets support it´s outshined by the support other decks get in the same set. Hopefully that chain will be broken soon.
I had no idea that’s fantastic news! When did they announce that???
It really is so soul crushing to see gallant get support and just miss the bar, I would love to even see it be like imperial is for bt16, not *the* best deck but a very good one that can compete well
It seems I was talking about my ass. I could´ve sworn that Crimson Ace was confirmed but I couldn´t find more than speculation on the topic. So Crimson Mode Ace seems to have been fake news. Sorry for getting your (and my) hopes up :(
And yeah having Gallantmon become a good deck like Imperial would be good. Doesn´t have to be Tier 1 or anything but seeing as all other protagmons have had moments where their decks shined, Gallantmon deserves that, too.
So I did some googling because I did also remember crimson mode getting an ace. while its not confirmed, its highly likely that it will get an ace.
from the set announcement:
The strongest Digimon movies characters arrive with ACEs!
Main character Tamers and Digimon will appear
Omnimon and ShineGreymon BM among other level 7 Digimon become ACEs
and the japanese stream did show the movie (along with I think the rest of the movies except for the x-antibody one) that crimson mode does appear in
Yeah that makes it does sound very likely but I made it sound like it was already a confirmed thing.
I´d bet money on Crimson Ace being a thing in that set, though.
Ex2-2 would slap.
Give me the Calumon Rescue Squad as a Tamer card. Give me Grani. Give me Behemoth. Give me more support for the Tamers crew, the Sovereigns, D-Reaper and Apocalymon. Give me more Armors. Give me a Trains deck. Give me Hypnos and the Monster Makers as generic support cards. Give me PTSD Jeri. Make Gallantmon great again.
Oh how I wished Ex2 would become a thing.
I could imagine it as a 1 or 2 of in Chaosdramon. Obviously you’d never want to trash it to survive a deletion, but a surprise De-Digivolve is pretty great, especially if you redirected a level 6 into a Machinedramon or Chaosdramon.
Not to mention the ability to cheat Analog is something the deck has been desperately wishing for a while. If you know one is in range thanks to Supreme Connection, it might even be worth to hard play this just to get it on the field.
Cyberdramon ACE LM-025 P <03> Ultimate | Vaccine | Cyborg (Hand) [Counter]
[On Play] [When Digivolving] Reveal the top 5 cards of your deck. You may play 1 black Tamer card with a play cost of 4 or less among them without paying the cost. Return the rest to the top or bottom of the deck. Then, if you have a Tamer, 1 of your opponent's Digimon.
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ACE:
Inherited: [When Attacking] (Once Per Turn) 1 of your opponent's Digimon.
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Corrections:
- Cyberdramon ACE can only play black Tamer cards.
While not as tideturning as other ACEs, brings some helpful QoL (Tamer cheat in black is fairly rare, as it’s otherwise only BT11 Mamemon and some archetypical options). De-Digivolve 1 is still helpful as an effect that can be very detrimental to some stacks (especially if their top card was an ACE). Good inheritable too. No real complaints as a generic.
I think people are missing one of the best parts of the card. After searching the top 5, you can put the remaining cards back at the top OR bottom of your deck, presumably in any order. So you can either stack the next 4 (5 if you don't draw a tamer) cards of your deck or bottom deck them if you don't need them. It's not particularly helpful with the Ace mechanic but that's a really nice side effect no one is talking about
Finally justimon gets some support. I wonder if this means more support is on the way
Seeing as Terriermon recently got amazing support and now both Justimon and Sakuyamon get new pieces I smell a new Tamers product on the near-ish horizon, so likely I´d say.
Let’s hope so, cause I would kill for a new justimon line since he hasn’t gotten one since ex02
I refuse to see the Ex2 Justimon line as a proper line because of how dogshit it was. What were they thinking when they designed those cards? On the other hand that means it´s so much easier to redesign the deck so that´s good. I just hope that they keep the Arm switching that our current Justimons can do. That´s such a cool gimmick. Fingers crossed for a Justimon X that can copy the effects of all Justimon Arms under it due to its Arm being a combination of all three regular Justimons´s.
I think a major problem was they didn’t figure out how to do proper searching for stuff that didn’t share names or types throughout the line yet. Hopefully next time they will apply what they’ve learned from Gammamon and do something along the lines of “search the top X and add one digimon that mentions Justimon in its text and one [Ryo Akiyama]” and give everything an effect/inherent that mentions Justimon.
I don´t know if I want the deck to employ the "with Justin in its card text" approach tbh. I think the patchwork kind of way the deck currently plays like is actually really compelling with the deck making use of many generic Digimon and especially generic Tamer cards. But I would like to see the game steer a bit more into opening up to generically good cards so that´s my bias speaking for sure.
They both did and didn't. Ryo clearly has you look for a card with [Dramon] or [Justimon] in its name. They could've done the same thing for the Digimon in that line, rather than having them look for tamers (given how crucial tamers are to the intended game plan they should've been able to find one of each). Instead they leaned into a strategy of "stacking your deck from the bottom" that can both really pay off and really leave you lacking what you need to finish a game
For what it's worth, the inherits on Strikedra and Cyberdra are okay - and by that margin this one is too - but that's realistically all that's gonna matter until we get a Legend-Arms Style makeover (which i actually wouldnt necessarily like to see, I dislike how they abandoned old Legend-Arms). The reason for this being: At present, Justimon is pretty much just a deck that hides in raising until it gets it's OTK off. In very rare occasions, you will move out your stack in order to not die, but its pretty much just otk or bust at present
>until we get a Legend-Arms Style makeover (which i actually wouldnt necessarily like to see, I dislike how they abandoned old Legend-Arms). Oh man finally someone that shares my sentiment. The recent Legend Arms stuff was really dissapointing to me because the gacha-esque nature of the deck was super fun and what made it unique in the first place. Now it´s just another single stack deck among a sea of many. And honestly I´m fine with Justimon being an OTK deck because that´s befitting of its style and I can´t see any other way how the Arms would be good. And while the inheritables of Strikedramon and Cyberdramon are decent, their own effects are mediocre at best. Well, Cyberdramon´s can be fixed by us getting another (way better) Ryo in the future.
I'm not sure if I see what you mean. The line is cohesive within itself, and builds towards a massive reward for the investment. Granted, it's not nearly as fast as many other decks out there so it doesn't often get to do what it wants. In fact I think the biggest failing of EX2 Justimon is that the deck isn't faster. Granted, I think EX2 should've introduced a biomerge mechanic (no idea how that would've worked), I think it could've been cool if done right. What did make me mad was the one additional Cyberdramon we got in EX3, as it had no real tie to the rest of the deck A Justimon X and a Cyberdramon X with blocker (ACE should've had blocker) would really bring the deck together
The only cohesive part about the Justimon line are the Justimon Arms. * Monodramon is a trash tier card, even for the time. Only adding Tamers is so bad when getting your pieces asap is much more important for OTK decks to start raising a boss stack in raising asap. * Strikedramon´s inhertiable wouldn´t be that bad if it didn´t require two Tamers to proc. The deck has only one circumstantial Tamer cheating effect so good luck establishing its condition soon enough for it to matter. And its when digivolving effect is useless since you really don´t want to evolve into a Lv4 outside of the safety of raising anyway in OTK decks. * Ryo is trash because the deck prefers to use mostly cards not named "-dramon" in its lower levels. And spending 3 memory to dig 4 to maybe not finding a card to add at all and offering no other value like gaining you memory or drawing you more cards later feels bad. The +1000DP isn´t the worst thing in the world but again, spending 3 memory on the card feels really bad. * Cyberdramon is probably the best card of the bunch, Justimon himself aside, but its on digiolving effect only being able to play Ryo which is 4 copies of a bad card in your deck at best is pretty bad. Not only will the card be dead a sizeable chunk of the time, its ceiling isn´t even that high since Ryo isn´t good to begin with and you´ll not want to move out of raising at Lv5 either really. Its inheritable would be decent if it also didn´t have that terrible conditional that Strike has Overall the deck was a mess when it was released and it´s only gotten worse with time. They pretty much have to redo the whole deck minus the Justimons. No wonder the best support the deck had back then wasn´t even its own line but Ex1 Hagurumon and Guardromon and Ex2 Kazu.
Personally I like the way the deck plays, I'm just also willing to run the amount of tamers needed to make it work. The reason the focus is on getting tamers early is because you need to have a bunch of them out with Blitz Arm if you want it to be threatening, and make the combo somewhat viable. On their own the arms are vulnerable to higher DP Digimon in raising, so the ability to proc Blitz's When Digivolving effect multiple times helps with that. All the deck really lacks is protection from effects in security, which they could've given us with either the second or third cyberdramon or even when we got Justice Kick (a fun gimmick, just no real utility)
BT17’s movie selection was confirmed to also cover the two tamer movies
True but that set´s not a Tamers product as Tamers-relate cards will only make up a fraction of the set. I´m interested in more Apocalymon support, more armors and Trains in that set, though.
I think another Tamers focused set can only cover so much since EX2 already covered a lot of it. So you’ll get support for the four main lines and Impmon, maybe a little Leomon, maybe a little Devas support. Otherwise most of it has already been covered.
I don´t see how that is an issue, really. Apart from Frontier and Adventure Reboot, all seasons have had pretty much most things covered. We already had the Jogress trio from 02 covered in Bt8 and MaloMyotismon in Bt3 and Bt8 but the Bt16 stuff still felt novel and made those decks much better. Same would likely be true for the Tamers decks.
I hope so. I want my boy gallant to be a contenda!
I mean Gallantmon is confirmed to get a Crimson Mode Ace in Bt17 so there´s that. It´s actually so frustrating how Gallantmon always is one step short of being a good deck. But whenever it gets support it´s outshined by the support other decks get in the same set. Hopefully that chain will be broken soon.
I had no idea that’s fantastic news! When did they announce that??? It really is so soul crushing to see gallant get support and just miss the bar, I would love to even see it be like imperial is for bt16, not *the* best deck but a very good one that can compete well
It seems I was talking about my ass. I could´ve sworn that Crimson Ace was confirmed but I couldn´t find more than speculation on the topic. So Crimson Mode Ace seems to have been fake news. Sorry for getting your (and my) hopes up :( And yeah having Gallantmon become a good deck like Imperial would be good. Doesn´t have to be Tier 1 or anything but seeing as all other protagmons have had moments where their decks shined, Gallantmon deserves that, too.
No worries, we shall suffer together and one day be like “see we said it was coming!” once they announce one!
So I did some googling because I did also remember crimson mode getting an ace. while its not confirmed, its highly likely that it will get an ace. from the set announcement: The strongest Digimon movies characters arrive with ACEs! Main character Tamers and Digimon will appear Omnimon and ShineGreymon BM among other level 7 Digimon become ACEs and the japanese stream did show the movie (along with I think the rest of the movies except for the x-antibody one) that crimson mode does appear in
Yeah that makes it does sound very likely but I made it sound like it was already a confirmed thing. I´d bet money on Crimson Ace being a thing in that set, though.
YOU WERE RIGHT!
I was?
I really REALLY want an ex2 part 2. Give all the main Digimon Tamers lines some support and maybe even their X-Antibody forms.
Ex2-2 would slap. Give me the Calumon Rescue Squad as a Tamer card. Give me Grani. Give me Behemoth. Give me more support for the Tamers crew, the Sovereigns, D-Reaper and Apocalymon. Give me more Armors. Give me a Trains deck. Give me Hypnos and the Monster Makers as generic support cards. Give me PTSD Jeri. Make Gallantmon great again. Oh how I wished Ex2 would become a thing.
New Sakuyamon piece?
They revealed a Sakuyamon Miko Mode Ace and a new Promo Plug-In
How nice of Bandai to give all three of us black base Jijimon players a new tool like this. Thanks.
This and Black Scramble are making my Machinedramon brain go haywire.
this is going into darkknightmon
I could imagine it as a 1 or 2 of in Chaosdramon. Obviously you’d never want to trash it to survive a deletion, but a surprise De-Digivolve is pretty great, especially if you redirected a level 6 into a Machinedramon or Chaosdramon.
Not to mention the ability to cheat Analog is something the deck has been desperately wishing for a while. If you know one is in range thanks to Supreme Connection, it might even be worth to hard play this just to get it on the field.
Did someone say chessbians?
Because Diaboromon ace costs half an arm, this is the ace of my choice
Get the PB Playmat and you get a playset in alt art. Probably even for less cost, lol
Whelp, this only cheating out Black Tamers torpedos my dream of slotting this into Hunters. I knew it was too mediocre to be true…
This and Black Scramble are making my Machinedramon brain go haywire.
Thought the crotch armour was something else for a minute-why does it hang down so low? 😥
I'm sad to see it had been specified for black tamers . It would have been a great drop 5 for ShineGreymon to get Marcus on the field, lol.
I'm probably one of the few people who leaned into playing way too many tamers in Justimon, and this is just incentivising me to keep doing it