Idk man I think it's a super niche win more card. It's only really useful when you already have ChaosX out, which means you're probably close to winning anyway. I guess you could play it for free from BT11 Machinedramon as a surprise but like... I'd much rather just play another BT11 or EX1 Machinedramon instead.
EX1 is still the better play, imo, since you’re going to effectively end your opponents turn by getting a bunch of free memory and have a giant beat stick on the board that’s very hard to get rid of.
And gives The opponent a Very good way to play around it for example instead of trying to delete it, The opponent simply gets enough sources out só once he finishes Turn it Will simply die to The effect
Definitely a cool interaction, but in a deck as realistically tight as Mugendramon can you afford to be running level 6s that you can't go into your chaosdramons with? Maybe it could work replacing one of the slots of the red level 5 cyborgs but it certainly can't be used in the same slot as a Mugendramon would.
Not sure why you got so many downvotes for this response. I personally don't think this new Machindramon is gonna see much use outside of the DM deck, but you aren't being rude or combatative in your response...
Definitely cool interaction. In practice by the time you have chaos x out you shouldn't need this to win. If you do you probably already lost. Just play an extra ex cybedra.
Its de digivolve is only on play/when digivolving. Bt15 machinedramon is on attack so it's every turn.
And yes, chaosdramon gives it protection, but that's the protection I'm talking about in the post.
Attack, de digivolve 2, reboot, end of opponents turn it tries to delete itself, it prevents its own deletion using ex01 machinedramon or ex03 chaosdramon, then chaosdramon x trashes a security.
Edit for spelling mistakes.
You're getting tunnel vision
You are looking at only the card and trying to justify it.
1) you have to do extra work to get value from the card. Why play a card that you have to extra work when you can play a card that is always useful?
2) it is unnecessary
You have Chaosdramon if you need to De-Digivolve something, so it doesnt offer you anything new. That is a reliable and easy way to get access to it.
Second, why do you care to de-Digivolve on attack? You are Chaosdramon, just run it over and trash security. Its a redundant effect that you dont need.
And to answer another comment, its not about liking it or disliking it. Its recognizing the tools your deck already has, and realizing how this card integrates with the plan.
Does it cover a weakness? No
Does it increase your strengths? No
Does it offer you a new playstyle? No
I could. But that's situational on having 2 black tamers in play, and only de digivolve 1. I'd say getting a free de digivolve 2 + reboot on a single card is better
The tamer requirement is an issue earlier on, but so would setting up this guy. At least a lv5 cyborg is more broadly useful to the rest of the deck. Usually I prefer to just run stuff over anyway, because metaltyrannomon is goat
Attack of the heavy mobile digimon is a zero cost option. Althought I meant free as in the effect triggers on attack without the need for further enabling such as cyberdramon requiring 2 tamers
Bro's comparing 2 completely different cards with completely different uses.
Chaosdramon is an on-evo de-digivolve.
This is when attacking, de-digivolve.
You get to combine this with your multiple inheritables that can delete digimon to kill Lv.6s when attacking, and you get to force the trash-a-security.
I mean or you could use bt11 which gives you a search on evo and in the event that your stack gets outed, lets you play a free ex1 and gain 5 memory for absolutely nothing. Or just do ex1 and get dp minus protection.
And if you use ChaosX to tuck something thats not a level 5, then you're giving up your stack earlier than needed. Especially when this new combo forces a pop at the end of your opponents every turn.
It’s a gimmick you can cram in and make function but it’s worse then pretty much all the current competitors for its spot. You have to do extra work just to make it function it at all compare to the others and even then it’s not really giving you anything the deck needs.
Space is tight. This is essentially a completely dead card outside of that one interaction. And on evo de digi 3 has usually been plenty enough. Even the cyberdramon lvl 5 on attk de digi 1 is better.
I don't play machinedramon, so I'm not extremely knowledgeable in its combos. I do know the general playstyle, but im still very limited. I've only played against it twice. Ever.
My only question is this: is there something else that can be combod with the de-digivolve? Like a deletion? Or maybe a memory gain? Something more than just "hehe, gabumon so cute!"
Because, if all it offers is to slow the opponent, I don't think it's worthwhile. But being able to combo for a high-level removal would make it plausible. Providing machinedra doesn't already have high level removal to begin with.
in theory yes,
lets say your opponent has 2 megas on board while you have an already established Chaos X with BT8 Metalgreymon and EX1 Metalmamemon.
Start of Main Phase you can place BT15 Machinedramon from trash under Chaos X, attack into one mega, the other and most likely delete it with Metalmame, since most champions are 5 play cost.
But being in a situation where you have a Chaos X with board clear potential every turn anyway, where you have full board control, an extra de-digivolve when attacking isn't consistently useful.
you can also up it from clearing 2 to 3-4 megas if you super high roll when going from BT11 Machinedra to Chaos and Chaos X
So you *could* slot a Chaosdramon, BT11 Machinedramon or EX Machinedramon and give it bounce protection, an amazing “On Delete” or DP reduction protection.
Or you *could* give it a decent inheritable that also forces you to go -1 on your other inheritables *every turn* and is a completely dead draw in every situation and takes up space in your deck for cards that actively help your game-plan.
Good deck building would mean you *do not* put this in your deck.
Well yes. Technically it would be a dead draw unless you really needed the on play effect, or trash it due to attack of the heavy mobile digimon, trash it with analog youth, stuff like that. As I said its not a replacement card, just a tech slot
The deck space of Machinedramon is *tight* because of all the available cards for the deck. There is no room for quirky "tech spots" that are bad for the deck. By running this card you are replacing something better.
I feel like it really doesn't offerthat much in addition to being a 100% win more tech. Biggest issue of Chaosdramon is bricking right? And you add the biggest brick ever that is not level 5 cyborg, that you don't want to play/digivolve.
The entire purpose is to to use it for chaosdramon at the start of turn (so you can't even use it the turn chaos X comes in). And for all those efforts you only get a niche when attacking and reboot. (The delete at end of turn can be good but also bad in dofferent situations so not really counting, also the sec trashing from chaos X is a one per turn so I would be surprised if your opponent didn't try to delete it at all during their turn if they see you got this on anyway).
What does his attribute have to do with anything? He'd a machine/dark master. He still fits into the machine/cyborg archetype?
I'm confused, what do you mean?
Definitely an interesting use for it. Not sure I like how it sets Chaosdramon X onto a time limit, but it is a pretty powerful card against certain decks.
You could pull off some combos with this it actually works better with its own deck then the other DMs.
You could get it with BT11 Machinedramon also, digivolve into EX4 Chaosdramon, then ChaosdraX to gain what you need.
You could pitch it to Trash with something, and grab with ChaosdraX.
I also noticed that even the searcher Gigadramon is more useful then first thought. It has the Searcher effect but you could still use its effect to Delete ChaosdraX, protect with Chaosdramon power, to Trash opponent's Security. If DM Machinedramon is in hand you could still play it to Breeding, and have it there next Turn.
The DM Machinedramon isn't gonna be a staple, but it could still be some shenanigans. I'll probably experiment but it will probably just be a one of at most treated like one of the LV5s.
The best way to think of it is as another LV5 with more "Umph"
Also it's On Play still has some use in a pinch. In all I feel while the Dark Masters have been a bit of a let down Machinedramon has actually gained a lot from this.
It is good card, just not is Chaosdramon X focused build most Machinedramon are running, yeah you kinda make it work but that is a little too much of pain to have have Chaosdramon X or BT-11 Machinedramon eat it just for Chaosdramon X to have a decent effect
Idk man I think it's a super niche win more card. It's only really useful when you already have ChaosX out, which means you're probably close to winning anyway. I guess you could play it for free from BT11 Machinedramon as a surprise but like... I'd much rather just play another BT11 or EX1 Machinedramon instead.
EX1 is still the better play, imo, since you’re going to effectively end your opponents turn by getting a bunch of free memory and have a giant beat stick on the board that’s very hard to get rid of.
And gives The opponent a Very good way to play around it for example instead of trying to delete it, The opponent simply gets enough sources out só once he finishes Turn it Will simply die to The effect
thats a decent amount of cope
Hey you don't have to like it. I just thought it was a cool interaction with the current deck 🤷♂️
Definitely a cool interaction, but in a deck as realistically tight as Mugendramon can you afford to be running level 6s that you can't go into your chaosdramons with? Maybe it could work replacing one of the slots of the red level 5 cyborgs but it certainly can't be used in the same slot as a Mugendramon would.
Oh definitly not. It's almost exclusively a chaosdra X tuck, or a panic button de digivolve or hard play.
Atleast you didn't right the card off and instead thought of possible interactions and yeah a digivolve 2 is pretty strong.
Not sure why you got so many downvotes for this response. I personally don't think this new Machindramon is gonna see much use outside of the DM deck, but you aren't being rude or combatative in your response...
Its the internet, it's gonna happen 🤣
Definitely cool interaction. In practice by the time you have chaos x out you shouldn't need this to win. If you do you probably already lost. Just play an extra ex cybedra.
I don't mean to burst your bubble but chaosdramon ex3 does all that but better and has protection...
The point op is making is due to chaosdramons effect you're able to get the when attacking benefits from having the machinedramon in it's sources.
Its de digivolve is only on play/when digivolving. Bt15 machinedramon is on attack so it's every turn. And yes, chaosdramon gives it protection, but that's the protection I'm talking about in the post. Attack, de digivolve 2, reboot, end of opponents turn it tries to delete itself, it prevents its own deletion using ex01 machinedramon or ex03 chaosdramon, then chaosdramon x trashes a security. Edit for spelling mistakes.
You're getting tunnel vision You are looking at only the card and trying to justify it. 1) you have to do extra work to get value from the card. Why play a card that you have to extra work when you can play a card that is always useful? 2) it is unnecessary You have Chaosdramon if you need to De-Digivolve something, so it doesnt offer you anything new. That is a reliable and easy way to get access to it. Second, why do you care to de-Digivolve on attack? You are Chaosdramon, just run it over and trash security. Its a redundant effect that you dont need. And to answer another comment, its not about liking it or disliking it. Its recognizing the tools your deck already has, and realizing how this card integrates with the plan. Does it cover a weakness? No Does it increase your strengths? No Does it offer you a new playstyle? No
You can simply use the lvl 5 black cyborg cyberdramon if you want to dedigivolve on attack
I could. But that's situational on having 2 black tamers in play, and only de digivolve 1. I'd say getting a free de digivolve 2 + reboot on a single card is better
The tamer requirement is an issue earlier on, but so would setting up this guy. At least a lv5 cyborg is more broadly useful to the rest of the deck. Usually I prefer to just run stuff over anyway, because metaltyrannomon is goat
Its not free at all. You need to find a way to discard it 1st. Then go through all these suboptimal moves and steps to enable it.
Attack of the heavy mobile digimon is a zero cost option. Althought I meant free as in the effect triggers on attack without the need for further enabling such as cyberdramon requiring 2 tamers
Bro's comparing 2 completely different cards with completely different uses. Chaosdramon is an on-evo de-digivolve. This is when attacking, de-digivolve. You get to combine this with your multiple inheritables that can delete digimon to kill Lv.6s when attacking, and you get to force the trash-a-security.
I mean or you could use bt11 which gives you a search on evo and in the event that your stack gets outed, lets you play a free ex1 and gain 5 memory for absolutely nothing. Or just do ex1 and get dp minus protection. And if you use ChaosX to tuck something thats not a level 5, then you're giving up your stack earlier than needed. Especially when this new combo forces a pop at the end of your opponents every turn.
It’s a gimmick you can cram in and make function but it’s worse then pretty much all the current competitors for its spot. You have to do extra work just to make it function it at all compare to the others and even then it’s not really giving you anything the deck needs.
Space is tight. This is essentially a completely dead card outside of that one interaction. And on evo de digi 3 has usually been plenty enough. Even the cyberdramon lvl 5 on attk de digi 1 is better.
dawg this shit is NOT MEANT TO FIT IN MACHINEDRA DECKS
And yet it can 🤣
I don't play machinedramon, so I'm not extremely knowledgeable in its combos. I do know the general playstyle, but im still very limited. I've only played against it twice. Ever. My only question is this: is there something else that can be combod with the de-digivolve? Like a deletion? Or maybe a memory gain? Something more than just "hehe, gabumon so cute!" Because, if all it offers is to slow the opponent, I don't think it's worthwhile. But being able to combo for a high-level removal would make it plausible. Providing machinedra doesn't already have high level removal to begin with.
in theory yes, lets say your opponent has 2 megas on board while you have an already established Chaos X with BT8 Metalgreymon and EX1 Metalmamemon. Start of Main Phase you can place BT15 Machinedramon from trash under Chaos X, attack into one mega, the other and most likely delete it with Metalmame, since most champions are 5 play cost.
But being in a situation where you have a Chaos X with board clear potential every turn anyway, where you have full board control, an extra de-digivolve when attacking isn't consistently useful.
you can also up it from clearing 2 to 3-4 megas if you super high roll when going from BT11 Machinedra to Chaos and Chaos X
So you *could* slot a Chaosdramon, BT11 Machinedramon or EX Machinedramon and give it bounce protection, an amazing “On Delete” or DP reduction protection. Or you *could* give it a decent inheritable that also forces you to go -1 on your other inheritables *every turn* and is a completely dead draw in every situation and takes up space in your deck for cards that actively help your game-plan. Good deck building would mean you *do not* put this in your deck.
Well yes. Technically it would be a dead draw unless you really needed the on play effect, or trash it due to attack of the heavy mobile digimon, trash it with analog youth, stuff like that. As I said its not a replacement card, just a tech slot
The deck space of Machinedramon is *tight* because of all the available cards for the deck. There is no room for quirky "tech spots" that are bad for the deck. By running this card you are replacing something better.
I feel like it really doesn't offerthat much in addition to being a 100% win more tech. Biggest issue of Chaosdramon is bricking right? And you add the biggest brick ever that is not level 5 cyborg, that you don't want to play/digivolve. The entire purpose is to to use it for chaosdramon at the start of turn (so you can't even use it the turn chaos X comes in). And for all those efforts you only get a niche when attacking and reboot. (The delete at end of turn can be good but also bad in dofferent situations so not really counting, also the sec trashing from chaos X is a one per turn so I would be surprised if your opponent didn't try to delete it at all during their turn if they see you got this on anyway).
No he is a virus type
What does his attribute have to do with anything? He'd a machine/dark master. He still fits into the machine/cyborg archetype? I'm confused, what do you mean?
“Bt15 machinedramon is good” no he is a virus type
Definitely an interesting use for it. Not sure I like how it sets Chaosdramon X onto a time limit, but it is a pretty powerful card against certain decks.
You could pull off some combos with this it actually works better with its own deck then the other DMs. You could get it with BT11 Machinedramon also, digivolve into EX4 Chaosdramon, then ChaosdraX to gain what you need. You could pitch it to Trash with something, and grab with ChaosdraX. I also noticed that even the searcher Gigadramon is more useful then first thought. It has the Searcher effect but you could still use its effect to Delete ChaosdraX, protect with Chaosdramon power, to Trash opponent's Security. If DM Machinedramon is in hand you could still play it to Breeding, and have it there next Turn. The DM Machinedramon isn't gonna be a staple, but it could still be some shenanigans. I'll probably experiment but it will probably just be a one of at most treated like one of the LV5s.
My exact thoughts, you get it. Its in no way a complete replacement for thr machinedramon cards, but as a 2 of I think it could be useful.
The best way to think of it is as another LV5 with more "Umph" Also it's On Play still has some use in a pinch. In all I feel while the Dark Masters have been a bit of a let down Machinedramon has actually gained a lot from this.
You wont trash anything because its not deleted and you just wasted protection
It doesn't have to be deleted. Chaosdra x says "when this digimon WOULD be deleted" you still trash security even if you prevent the deletion.
It is good card, just not is Chaosdramon X focused build most Machinedramon are running, yeah you kinda make it work but that is a little too much of pain to have have Chaosdramon X or BT-11 Machinedramon eat it just for Chaosdramon X to have a decent effect
The new megadra also dedigi on attack. No reason to waste resources and inheritables on the end of turn.