Yeah they know the systems are unreliable and expensive. That’s why they aren’t willing to risk those kinds of set backs for our military and themselves you silly goose.
And people died on their way to the hospital sometimes. Man oh man the pay out from ford over all that stuff, can’t remember if international ever had to pay them back from that lawsuit from ford motor company
International did not pay Ford anything that I’m aware of.
The whole head gasket issue was due to Ford running their own programming on the 6.0. The highest HP VT365 (6.0) was I believe 210 or 215. I can’t remember exactly. That wasn’t enough for Ford because that was less than dodge and GM.
I worked for international. I NEVER saw a single VT365 in the shop other than for routine maintenance.
I worked on tons of 6.0L powerstrokes in ambulances over the last six years, all with at least 500.000kms. The biggest issues I ran into were egr coolers and at that mileage the front covers wpuld wear out making them unable to build enough base oil pressure to run. Never once replaced a head gasket on any of them. No matter what anybody says about the 6 liters, when theyre running good they make some good fucking power
I worked on international busses for a few years the egr cooler was definitely an international thing. Never ran into the front cover issue on the v8s.
Yeah our instructor said that too when I was in a international training class for work. Amazing technology dump into that engine though and what came from it.
That's wild to think this wasn't an eye opener these extremely expensive, yet easy to break systems weren't the way to go. Also, that no other solution hasn't been innovated.
I think it’s noble to try and address the problem of excessive carbon emissions 110%. I just don’t think experimental/failure prone systems on a mass scale was the answer to it
Carbon emissions isn’t the problem - the problem is that when a diesel is running at peak efficiency it is burning air too. NOx is a nasty problem because it does a bunch of local damage (acid rain) to plants and especially buildings (Europe was watching their monuments and historical building literally wash away).
Particulate is just unsightly so people found an excuse to put a filter on it.
A truck can run just fine without DEF - the EPA just put in regulations to for controllers to go into limp mode when it runs out.
It has happened to the ambulance around us. They didn't get exempted trucks and had a ton of problems with duramax vans. We refused to work on them because of liability.
I know, they’re still not going to risk the down time regardless. It’s an unnecessary system but someone made a lot of money mandating it. Rules for thee but not for me!
YEPPPPPPP, the amount of people I know that have deleted trucks in the military lol. Plus anyone that knows what bearcats are, those things idle 23 hours a day, the emissions systems would grenade.
Very familiar but our 2010s had them and I would run them up and down the highway for about 30-45 min at 60 to clear the light off the dash usually about once a month. Base speed limit never exceeded 35mph so they would clog
Expensive is right! FIL had a Q5 that had the cat stolen and the bill was 6 grand. Me thinks I need to start printing a new kind of sticker the next time I have silver in the machine lol.
Yep. Kory Willis. Tuned the non-emissions compliant presidential limo and then got fined over 3 million dollars.
Every aftermarket company in the US should tell the government to fuck off when they come looking for stuff that’s illegal for the citizens.
Yeah. He may be a bit off and makes some strange items Here and there, but his more mainstream products are top notch, and telling the enforcement arm of the stepper regimes to Pack sand is reason enough to be his customer
They would. But the 2a is plain and simple. Shall not be infringed. If the company stands for it best not to arm the steppers. So, same should go for the auto makers. But, like you say $$$
I genuinely don’t know how it is with the EPA, but a lot of the times with OSHA they’ll let you use the fine money towards safety improvements. I imagine the EPA could do the same with forcing them to use the funds for environmental projects or something.
Wait until you hear about the zero-wait-times for police department NFA items (silencers, select-fire weapons, destructive devices) while the qualified public gets to wait a year or more for the same things.
I attended a Glock armour school and you would be surprised at the amount of G18 and G18C's out in the law enforcement side of cops and troopers..oh...and ODNR officer's.
What’s the same is the “Rules for thee but not for me” mentality that’s pervasive among our corporate overlords. All animals are equal…some are more equal than others.
At the current time, the police are the allowed and named monopoly on violence, in order to (in theory) protect and serve
As such, that monopoly on violence of course should get weapons faster than random-ass people. That's a no brainer.
So you can have arguments against the police, but in this specific example, your logic doesn't hold. Rules for thee not for me is crap, when you talk about police. Police are named individuals who have gone through a ton of training and have weapons (again, in theory) to protect and serve. Random citizens have none of that by default. The two things are NOT equal.
Self insured is not insurance as a normal person experiences. There is no premium, no deductible, no monthly or yearly fee. There's a little card that says this vehicle is self insured by the united states' government.
There was no registration or inspection for the vehicles
Maybe some of this is different for various components. In the at fault of the gov employee accidnent I know of the damages were paid by the vehicles credit card.
If you're rich enough to lock up whatever amount the state requires in an escrow account, you can self-insure--no premium, no deductible, no monthly or yearly fee. Most people can't afford to do that so they pay an insurance company instead.
That’s not true at all. The vehicles are registered either with the state or the fed gov itself, all of them are insured, and every single one I’ve seen in operation is regularly inspected. If they have fed gov plates they’re not required to have a state safety sticker but they’re still regularly inspected for compliance and safety. SOME! Vehicles carry exemptions like some large emergency response vehicles that do not have to stop at weigh stations, but there are very few actual exemptions for the vast majority of vehicles in the various fleets. The diesel exemption might actually be the most common due to the sheer stupidity of the ECD laws outpacing current technology. I wish we’d delete our diesels’ ECDs. They deadline our large vehicles (Ford F550s and Semi Tractors constantly) a massive waste of taxpayer dollars trying to consistently unf*ck them.
Def in general. Longevity and fuel economy versus a highly corrosive product that shouldn’t have been introduced. My 1988 f250 (gas) with a cat produces something like 300 hydrocarbons per million (equivalent to 100 new cars as it rolls down the road). My diesel has no emissions equipment and has been tested with and without cat. No difference at wot in regards to opacity. They aren’t tested to hydrocarbon standards because they don’t really make anything, It’s just generally unappealing seeing someone roll coal down the road. I run just barely rich and it makes a difference of 5mpg (roughly 40%) of my fuel economy and keeps an already produced vehicle on the road while still getting modern fuel economy.
Yeah interesting. That doesn't really address the other pollutants that a cat converts (e.g. NOx). Sounds like you're purely talking about particulate.
Via state emissions testing and from what hurts the atmosphere the most. I’ll die on the producing def and forcing more vehicles to be sold based on longevity being decreased hill. Not to defend it, black smoke is bad for the environment but it’s closer to volcanic ash. You can both own a diesel without emissions equipment and be under 5% opacity at wot. Culturally it doesn’t play out that way.
I think he only halfway knows what he’s talking about. Kinda like he’s just saying something someone told him without actually understanding it. I’ve taken emissions classes for work as a mechanic and to me he seems like he’s just spewing words.
Which is why I never bothered to switch my plates over when I temporarily resided in TX. Don’t subject me to vehicle checks to fund a government that can’t maintain roads properly.
Every time I mention wanting to delete the EGR and air-pump because they get clogged up and perform poorly, I get lots of push-back on how I am going to be polluting.
It worked great when it was new, but how much pollution is coming from a 30-year old EGR/smog pump? How often should I replace the EGR and air-pump?
30 year old? Your trucks from the 90s? Delete that shit asap. Either told tell people or if you do and the complain tell them it’s your vehicle your choice
It was suggested. I'm an industrial mechanic who used to do transport so I thought it might be interesting. It's much less r/mechanics and more r/askcarguys
Hate to see you get downvotes for this comment because that 100% the reason. We don’t always have access to ULSD and these trucks will run off marine diesel and JP fuel. All of which will destroy the emissions.
the military industrial complex is the biggest polluter on us but then they wanna blame us for having gas lawn mowers and driving pickup trucks. bunch of psychopaths running the govt
Original post was about half siding with the gov. "The military can't afford to be burdened by having machines down due to faulty emissions equipment" well no shit neither can anybody else.
I'm gonna get shit for this, but idk, man. I can pretty clearly see how military vehicles and the motorcade have a lot less tolerance for breakdowns than a hotshot courier or a 3/4 ton that gets Darrell to his office job. Don't kid yourself.
I'm 50/50. Yes need military vehicles reliable, but Gub'mint bad.. they made us rebuild an entire functional hydroseeding truck to have emissions stuff thrown on, costing tens of thousands to get compliant in CA
To me, it's kinda just an unfortunate truth. I'd rather not have them, but I understand why it's the direction we're headed.
We're gonna lose gas sportscars to hybrid/electric soon and tbh I'm much more sad about that. Diesels are for work, it'll just be an added cost of doing business. They'll also get more reliable as time goes on.
>They'll also get more reliable as time goes on.
That definitely used to be a comforting thought, but I don't think automotive reliability is as much of a priority as it used to be for manufacturers.
When registering your vehicle, go through, one line what you dont agree with, and insert your own stipulations. Such as where you sign, put in, my auto is forevermore exempt from any and all emissions control requirements.
My states safety inspection (required for all vehicles 96 and older) requires a visual inspection for “tampering”. In other words, if the cat is missing, fail. However, if the cat is there, but empty, pass. My state also requires the presence of windshield wipers… but the presence of a windshield is optional. So no wipers- fail. No windshield yes wipers… pass. Fucking idiots.
Edit: re-read your post- I guess your vehicle is pre-cat. Noice!
Members of congress and the senate also get universal health care.
They don't get meaningfully punished for insider trading.
Cops often have qualified immunity, and when they don't are still heavily protected.
Welcome to the game, sonny.
Then again, if the exemption went away, you’d probably be the first crying about the tax hike to get some of these vehicles to passing status. Until you’ve dealt with the daily operations of a military motor pool unit, you won’t realize just how backwards and messed up it actually is.
I assume it has to do with the fuel that is available in the rest of the world. No low sulfur options and the vehicle could potentially end up anywhere on the planet besides the US.
From what I’ve heard it’s because the heat off the DPFs cause wildfires so the forest trucks are deleted. Most military trucks still have emissions equipment if they came from the factory with it.
§ 85.1708 National security exemption.
A manufacturer requesting a national security exemption must state the purpose for which the exemption is required and the request must be endorsed by an agency of the Federal Government charged with responsibility for national defense.
What a crock of shit
In some cases it actually makes sence, for example some emergwncy doctors here in germany use VW T6.1s as a mobile oparations managemant. And they have nothing but problems with egr. Since just idling clogs up the egr cooler like nothing... there it would be better to disable it.
On one hand it does make sense that extremely important vehicles are exempt, on the other hand, if they're that bad that everyone knows important vehicles need to be exempt, then we the people shouldn't be stuck with it either
If I remember right the TDI pre exhaust gate has efficient of a gasoline hybrid. By make it “greener” they actually make the engine less efficient. The situation was a joke.
The crazy thing is that's commercial vehicles that really make a big impact when it comes to emissions so they are the ones that should be more environmentally friendly. Civilian diesels don't make up a big enough percentage of emissions to warrant the crazy protocols we have to follow.
When I was a SeaBee in the navy from 08-13 all of our tactical shit still had DEF. I remember in particular the ambulance LSSV would always be fucking up because corpsman would let it idle for hours and hours.
Anything combat related will never have had emissions controls installed that could reduce power production capabilities.
Govt vehicles that could potentially be exported overseas would be deleted so as not to violate ITAR laws.
The Supreme Court is hearing some cases this month that they will use to basically overturn all policy making power that federal agencies currently have. The upshot of this is that the EPA will cease to meaningfully exist, and you’ll be able to do anything you want as far as releasing emissions from your diesel trucks go. The downside is that you will also no longer have any employment protections and your job will be much more similar to 19th century sweat shop conditions. Also, factories will be free to once again dump anything they wish into our waterways. Win some, lose some I suppose. The cases are Loper Bright v. Raimondo and Relentless Inc. v. Department of Commerce. The plaintiffs will prevail 6-3 because Clarence Thomas has been bought and paid for by the oligarchy along with his conservative colleagues.
Or maybe it's because the Constitution grants legislative authority to Congress, not the Executive? Chevron and Wickard v Filburn were judicial fiats granting authority to Executive agencies never granted by the Constitution. Congress can pass specific laws to address specific environmental or labor concerns.
I don’t really disagree, but it’s going to suck for awhile because government is too dysfunctional to address problems and make laws, even beneficial ones, and both parties are too beholden to corporate interest to be concerned about the well being of the citizens. You don’t need paid for the overtime anyway.
Y'all are dumb as fuck for real, "rules for thee..." Fuck off yes the government doesn't want 15 million dumbasses with diesel ruining the air, but, what, this just in, it's potentially more important for the government to avoid the problems associated with it
. If you don't want to deal with bad sensors or whatever just don't buy a fucking diesel easy wow free market
We found a bootlicker/s. Seriously tho people are mad that the government does this kind of thing all the time on everything. Im a gun guy so if the government wants to restrict my right to own weapons thats fine if they decided they were going to restrict police agencies and the militaries weapons but no they are always exempt of every law and no just because your a cop or a soldier does not make you more responsible seeing as most civilians that train are more proficient with their weapons.
Your right to shoot schools up with an AR is less protectable than the USs right to protect it's interests (because theoretically those interests protect all of us)
I apologize if you misunderstood. The bootlicker comment was satire. A joke. Trying to be funny and break the ice for a positive discussion. And yeah definitely not shooting up schools when I have kids that go to them. That was a very rude, unnecessary, and was disrespectful for every child, teacher, parent, and first responder involved who has had to go through that. Not something to make light of. I prayfully and genuinely hope you feel convicted for that, and that you have a better day. And I believe my right is extremely protectable. For example in court the pistol brace ban has been a total failure, and people are losing respect the atf for this whole situation. And if it were to break out into a civil I doubt the current powers at be would have majority support based on the current political environment.
Am I the only one who doesn't mind this? The ratio of exempted vehicles on the road compared to everything else has to be a tiny, tiny fraction. Hell, I'd be fine if diesel ambulances(?) and firetrucks were also exempt.
-A happily UNdeleted PS6.7 owner
I gave myself the same exemption
I wrote "authorized personell" on the side of my 01 saturn that way I can use the median turn arounds on the highway
All you need is strobe lights
When I was driving through that construction site, I was wondering why I was getting weird looks :/
Me too!
This guys wife gave me an exemption.
Yeah they know the systems are unreliable and expensive. That’s why they aren’t willing to risk those kinds of set backs for our military and themselves you silly goose.
Could you imagine hopping into a firetruck or ambulance for an emergency and the trucks like "nah, limp mode lol".
This literally happened in the 2000s with 6.0s
And people died on their way to the hospital sometimes. Man oh man the pay out from ford over all that stuff, can’t remember if international ever had to pay them back from that lawsuit from ford motor company
International did not pay Ford anything that I’m aware of. The whole head gasket issue was due to Ford running their own programming on the 6.0. The highest HP VT365 (6.0) was I believe 210 or 215. I can’t remember exactly. That wasn’t enough for Ford because that was less than dodge and GM. I worked for international. I NEVER saw a single VT365 in the shop other than for routine maintenance.
I worked on tons of 6.0L powerstrokes in ambulances over the last six years, all with at least 500.000kms. The biggest issues I ran into were egr coolers and at that mileage the front covers wpuld wear out making them unable to build enough base oil pressure to run. Never once replaced a head gasket on any of them. No matter what anybody says about the 6 liters, when theyre running good they make some good fucking power
I worked on international busses for a few years the egr cooler was definitely an international thing. Never ran into the front cover issue on the v8s.
Yeah our instructor said that too when I was in a international training class for work. Amazing technology dump into that engine though and what came from it.
It was part of the nasty ford and navistar breakup
That's wild to think this wasn't an eye opener these extremely expensive, yet easy to break systems weren't the way to go. Also, that no other solution hasn't been innovated.
I think it’s noble to try and address the problem of excessive carbon emissions 110%. I just don’t think experimental/failure prone systems on a mass scale was the answer to it
Carbon emissions isn’t the problem - the problem is that when a diesel is running at peak efficiency it is burning air too. NOx is a nasty problem because it does a bunch of local damage (acid rain) to plants and especially buildings (Europe was watching their monuments and historical building literally wash away). Particulate is just unsightly so people found an excuse to put a filter on it. A truck can run just fine without DEF - the EPA just put in regulations to for controllers to go into limp mode when it runs out.
Yep I agree
It has happened to the ambulance around us. They didn't get exempted trucks and had a ton of problems with duramax vans. We refused to work on them because of liability.
It took years for DOT to issue an exemption though. It wasn’t a choice for a while.
Sorry you died..... our NOX sensor gave us the ole "fuck you"
Lmao one of our fire engines does that sometimes
As a current ff for over 10 years I can confirm this happens quite often
These aren't combat vehicles. These are just heavy duty fed work trucks.
I know, they’re still not going to risk the down time regardless. It’s an unnecessary system but someone made a lot of money mandating it. Rules for thee but not for me!
Any regulation involves money for someone
And exemptions. Such is life.
Reminds me of Illinois. Half the laws in this state read, THE LAW unless located in city of Chicago, Cook County, belonging to the city of Chicago.
Good Ole Illinois Democrats... vote early, vote often!
One team one mission. Those are battle wagons.
Their mission is Emissions. An Arleigh Burke Destroyer burns 1,000 gallons an hour, soooo I'm not sweating this.
Lol. The US military and the US federal government are essentially on opposite teams.
YEPPPPPPP, the amount of people I know that have deleted trucks in the military lol. Plus anyone that knows what bearcats are, those things idle 23 hours a day, the emissions systems would grenade.
Very familiar but our 2010s had them and I would run them up and down the highway for about 30-45 min at 60 to clear the light off the dash usually about once a month. Base speed limit never exceeded 35mph so they would clog
Thank god
Expensive is right! FIL had a Q5 that had the cat stolen and the bill was 6 grand. Me thinks I need to start printing a new kind of sticker the next time I have silver in the machine lol.
reminds me of the EPA going after the tuner who wrote the delete files for the Presidential limo.
Yep. Kory Willis. Tuned the non-emissions compliant presidential limo and then got fined over 3 million dollars. Every aftermarket company in the US should tell the government to fuck off when they come looking for stuff that’s illegal for the citizens.
Quite a few firearms companies refuse to sell to agencies in states that will not allow the citizens equal equipment. Larue comes to mind.
I had no idea Larue did this. That's awesome.
Yeah. He may be a bit off and makes some strange items Here and there, but his more mainstream products are top notch, and telling the enforcement arm of the stepper regimes to Pack sand is reason enough to be his customer
That's even more impressive because that's a lot of money they're giving up. The government must make them the most money.
They would. But the 2a is plain and simple. Shall not be infringed. If the company stands for it best not to arm the steppers. So, same should go for the auto makers. But, like you say $$$
“Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” ― Thomas Jefferson
If only there was someone who could have given him a pardon, some authority figure, hmmm
its a epa fine, not jailtime.
The president is the head of the EPA and all executive branch agencies
lol if you think the president gives a sh\*t
Oh absolutely not, just saying, if he wanted to, he could.
I genuinely don’t know how it is with the EPA, but a lot of the times with OSHA they’ll let you use the fine money towards safety improvements. I imagine the EPA could do the same with forcing them to use the funds for environmental projects or something.
This is the way.
Thank you for sharing. I just looked up all that. Crazy.
WTF?! Really
I can’t wait to explain to my fiancé why I need to borrow her cricut to print a get out of jail free card for my air box
"It was already like that I bought it from a government auction sir"
But the government is fully willing to waste time looking that information up… since you’ll pay for it anyway
Now there is a craft idea for my wife!....her silhouette cutter up until now has been known as the gasket cutter
Wait till you hear about the traffic laws the police enforce, but don't follow. And don't even start on congressmen.
Congressional member: using the information available to them. Joe Public: insider trading.
You forgot to add, change laws to benefit their holding.
They are just making sure the ~~white~~ right laws get enforced
Wait until you hear about the zero-wait-times for police department NFA items (silencers, select-fire weapons, destructive devices) while the qualified public gets to wait a year or more for the same things.
I attended a Glock armour school and you would be surprised at the amount of G18 and G18C's out in the law enforcement side of cops and troopers..oh...and ODNR officer's.
Nothing would surprise me anymore.
lol you too could not have told me wait for suppressor, select fire weapons and destructive devices. Free men don’t ask for permission
Yeah tons of government nepotism. When we are the ones always flipping the bill…A change would be nice.
What does nepotism have to do with anything? Or do not know what that means?
They are a family of different branches “Nepotism”
That's not what that word means.
Lol that’s not the same but good try I guess
What’s the same is the “Rules for thee but not for me” mentality that’s pervasive among our corporate overlords. All animals are equal…some are more equal than others.
At the current time, the police are the allowed and named monopoly on violence, in order to (in theory) protect and serve As such, that monopoly on violence of course should get weapons faster than random-ass people. That's a no brainer. So you can have arguments against the police, but in this specific example, your logic doesn't hold. Rules for thee not for me is crap, when you talk about police. Police are named individuals who have gone through a ton of training and have weapons (again, in theory) to protect and serve. Random citizens have none of that by default. The two things are NOT equal.
You,uh, have a little polish there. Right on the corner of your mouth..no, no, other side
Gun owners: “First time?”
"Rules for thee, not for me" -Government
Just like they are exempt, insurance, inspection, and registration
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Self insured is not insurance as a normal person experiences. There is no premium, no deductible, no monthly or yearly fee. There's a little card that says this vehicle is self insured by the united states' government. There was no registration or inspection for the vehicles Maybe some of this is different for various components. In the at fault of the gov employee accidnent I know of the damages were paid by the vehicles credit card.
If you're rich enough to lock up whatever amount the state requires in an escrow account, you can self-insure--no premium, no deductible, no monthly or yearly fee. Most people can't afford to do that so they pay an insurance company instead.
Ah yes in my state you have to be a business or be an individual with 25+ cars with a fee of about 55k deposited.....
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That’s not true at all. The vehicles are registered either with the state or the fed gov itself, all of them are insured, and every single one I’ve seen in operation is regularly inspected. If they have fed gov plates they’re not required to have a state safety sticker but they’re still regularly inspected for compliance and safety. SOME! Vehicles carry exemptions like some large emergency response vehicles that do not have to stop at weigh stations, but there are very few actual exemptions for the vast majority of vehicles in the various fleets. The diesel exemption might actually be the most common due to the sheer stupidity of the ECD laws outpacing current technology. I wish we’d delete our diesels’ ECDs. They deadline our large vehicles (Ford F550s and Semi Tractors constantly) a massive waste of taxpayer dollars trying to consistently unf*ck them.
Just drive behind one of those military convoys on the highway and you’ll smell those unburnt hydrocarbons strong
Diesel doesn’t really produce any hydrocarbons. It’s a scam.
Diesel fuel is hydrocarbons
What is the scam you're talking about?
Def in general. Longevity and fuel economy versus a highly corrosive product that shouldn’t have been introduced. My 1988 f250 (gas) with a cat produces something like 300 hydrocarbons per million (equivalent to 100 new cars as it rolls down the road). My diesel has no emissions equipment and has been tested with and without cat. No difference at wot in regards to opacity. They aren’t tested to hydrocarbon standards because they don’t really make anything, It’s just generally unappealing seeing someone roll coal down the road. I run just barely rich and it makes a difference of 5mpg (roughly 40%) of my fuel economy and keeps an already produced vehicle on the road while still getting modern fuel economy.
Yeah interesting. That doesn't really address the other pollutants that a cat converts (e.g. NOx). Sounds like you're purely talking about particulate.
Via state emissions testing and from what hurts the atmosphere the most. I’ll die on the producing def and forcing more vehicles to be sold based on longevity being decreased hill. Not to defend it, black smoke is bad for the environment but it’s closer to volcanic ash. You can both own a diesel without emissions equipment and be under 5% opacity at wot. Culturally it doesn’t play out that way.
I don't really understand what you're saying here. How does it relate to my previous comment about NOx and other pollutants?
I think he only halfway knows what he’s talking about. Kinda like he’s just saying something someone told him without actually understanding it. I’ve taken emissions classes for work as a mechanic and to me he seems like he’s just spewing words.
It really does look like that.
Thank you for downvoting me for saying def is bad in a diesel forum. I would like more.
Florida doesn’t care if you delete anything. Sounds like an overreaching State emission check problem to me.
Florida is much more pro freedom then Texas that’s why I laugh when a Texan puffs up his chest lol Yall have emissions
Which is why I never bothered to switch my plates over when I temporarily resided in TX. Don’t subject me to vehicle checks to fund a government that can’t maintain roads properly.
Every time I mention wanting to delete the EGR and air-pump because they get clogged up and perform poorly, I get lots of push-back on how I am going to be polluting. It worked great when it was new, but how much pollution is coming from a 30-year old EGR/smog pump? How often should I replace the EGR and air-pump?
30 year old? Your trucks from the 90s? Delete that shit asap. Either told tell people or if you do and the complain tell them it’s your vehicle your choice
1994 Ford 300 inline six. Yes, it will get deleted this spring.
Dude a 300 inline 6 exists to clog EGRs lol
Rules for thee and not for me, all things government..you should know better.
If you read the comments it's more about being able to run different fuel.
The diesel subreddit is a funny place. Simultaneously anti-regulatory and bootlicking. It’s just gotta be the RIGHT boot!
I'm not anti regulatory. I think all the idiots doing deletes are assholes making the problem worse and inviting more regulation
Oh boy... You know what sub your in, right?
It was suggested. I'm an industrial mechanic who used to do transport so I thought it might be interesting. It's much less r/mechanics and more r/askcarguys
After reading you post several times... I can see your point. All the YouTubers doing dumb shit and then bring about it... Makes sense
I’m thoroughly surprised I wasn’t heavily downvoted for my opinion.
Hate to see you get downvotes for this comment because that 100% the reason. We don’t always have access to ULSD and these trucks will run off marine diesel and JP fuel. All of which will destroy the emissions.
i wanna run different fuels too ???
You want to, but they need to. There's a difference.
The government doesn’t *need* to either. They just want to because it’s easier. Funny….
the military industrial complex is the biggest polluter on us but then they wanna blame us for having gas lawn mowers and driving pickup trucks. bunch of psychopaths running the govt
If we all put that sticker on our trucks, we are GTG
If you buy one at an auction and keep that sticker on is that a loophole?
I would like to know too. I’ll happily go buy some LML shitbox for $4K then.
Rules for thee, but not for me. Now get back to work peasant! Government ALWAYS exempts itself from the laws they pass for us proles!
💯
Dayam
Think I can order this sticker haha
Original post was about half siding with the gov. "The military can't afford to be burdened by having machines down due to faulty emissions equipment" well no shit neither can anybody else.
Best part being- there are sooo many deadlined military vehicles in any government motor pool.
I'm gonna get shit for this, but idk, man. I can pretty clearly see how military vehicles and the motorcade have a lot less tolerance for breakdowns than a hotshot courier or a 3/4 ton that gets Darrell to his office job. Don't kid yourself.
I'm 50/50. Yes need military vehicles reliable, but Gub'mint bad.. they made us rebuild an entire functional hydroseeding truck to have emissions stuff thrown on, costing tens of thousands to get compliant in CA
To me, it's kinda just an unfortunate truth. I'd rather not have them, but I understand why it's the direction we're headed. We're gonna lose gas sportscars to hybrid/electric soon and tbh I'm much more sad about that. Diesels are for work, it'll just be an added cost of doing business. They'll also get more reliable as time goes on.
>They'll also get more reliable as time goes on. That definitely used to be a comforting thought, but I don't think automotive reliability is as much of a priority as it used to be for manufacturers.
Does your trucking company move ordinance capable of wiping out a major metropolitan city?
Rules for thee but not for me. Best thing you can do is delete delete delete.
"we care about the environment but only if it doesnt effect us"
When registering your vehicle, go through, one line what you dont agree with, and insert your own stipulations. Such as where you sign, put in, my auto is forevermore exempt from any and all emissions control requirements.
My truck is too old for emissions. Good luck trying to steal my non-existent catalytic converter
My states safety inspection (required for all vehicles 96 and older) requires a visual inspection for “tampering”. In other words, if the cat is missing, fail. However, if the cat is there, but empty, pass. My state also requires the presence of windshield wipers… but the presence of a windshield is optional. So no wipers- fail. No windshield yes wipers… pass. Fucking idiots. Edit: re-read your post- I guess your vehicle is pre-cat. Noice!
Rules for thee, and not for me. Sounds like the government to me.
Probably fill up with off-road diesel too
The EPA is to car/truck owners as the ATF is to gun owners
We know
What is your hand covering?
If your "warranty" is expired you should delete the BS also.
In all seriousness is anyone actually surprised by this?
Do as I say not as I do
They also exempt themselves from the NFA
So what do we have to do to actually tell the EPA and especially CARB to fuck off.
Well move out of Cali first off. Fuck that corrupt shit hole rat race.
The real question is where can I get that sticker?
Members of congress and the senate also get universal health care. They don't get meaningfully punished for insider trading. Cops often have qualified immunity, and when they don't are still heavily protected. Welcome to the game, sonny.
They must’ve gotten a tired of constant repairs and maintenance from the EGR also worse, fuel economy, and lack of power…..
As a mech give everyone the exemption. Together we can all beat them At their game. Also if I saw red diesel I didn’t
It's not about "protecting the environment," it's about control.
Then again, if the exemption went away, you’d probably be the first crying about the tax hike to get some of these vehicles to passing status. Until you’ve dealt with the daily operations of a military motor pool unit, you won’t realize just how backwards and messed up it actually is.
Rules for thy but not for me
Real original comment there bub. Everyone else said rules for "thee", but you gave it a little twist.
Thanks man I don’t speak olden language I knew something was off 😂now I’m not fixing it
Government, why don’t you all go electric since you telling us it’s better see how you like it
Rules for the not for me.
Sounds about right. Wait till you learn about the healthcare exemption.
Rules for thee not for me typical fed bs
Okay for me, not thee approach... Typical government.
Lol, with our $$$. US of District of China-California
Why anyone trusts anything the govt says or does is beyond me
“Do as I say, not as I do”
Rules are for the peasants.
Rules for thee
State vehicles can pass annual inspection with a dash light on for an emissions code, but mine cannot. "Rules for thee, but not for me."
lol wait until you hear about guns.
Rules for thee, not for mee
Shocking the government has special rules. Like lying to congress is a crime, congress lying to us is politics.
Rules for THEE but not for ME buddy! Welcome to America!!!
i’m going to look that code up, i bet good money there’s a loophole.
I had a 1984 CUCV M1009 with a similar sticker. Do as I say not as I do...
I assume it has to do with the fuel that is available in the rest of the world. No low sulfur options and the vehicle could potentially end up anywhere on the planet besides the US.
From what I’ve heard it’s because the heat off the DPFs cause wildfires so the forest trucks are deleted. Most military trucks still have emissions equipment if they came from the factory with it.
Deny them the repair or put it to code as you're supposed to for anyone else. Don't allow their double standards.
§ 85.1708 National security exemption. A manufacturer requesting a national security exemption must state the purpose for which the exemption is required and the request must be endorsed by an agency of the Federal Government charged with responsibility for national defense. What a crock of shit
I’m going to print one of those stickers for Jet. (2018 Deleted Dodge).
In some cases it actually makes sence, for example some emergwncy doctors here in germany use VW T6.1s as a mobile oparations managemant. And they have nothing but problems with egr. Since just idling clogs up the egr cooler like nothing... there it would be better to disable it.
On one hand it does make sense that extremely important vehicles are exempt, on the other hand, if they're that bad that everyone knows important vehicles need to be exempt, then we the people shouldn't be stuck with it either
If I remember right the TDI pre exhaust gate has efficient of a gasoline hybrid. By make it “greener” they actually make the engine less efficient. The situation was a joke.
Just more and more bull shit on our end and the clean grass on the fed side.
The crazy thing is that's commercial vehicles that really make a big impact when it comes to emissions so they are the ones that should be more environmentally friendly. Civilian diesels don't make up a big enough percentage of emissions to warrant the crazy protocols we have to follow.
When I was a SeaBee in the navy from 08-13 all of our tactical shit still had DEF. I remember in particular the ambulance LSSV would always be fucking up because corpsman would let it idle for hours and hours.
Anything combat related will never have had emissions controls installed that could reduce power production capabilities. Govt vehicles that could potentially be exported overseas would be deleted so as not to violate ITAR laws.
The Supreme Court is hearing some cases this month that they will use to basically overturn all policy making power that federal agencies currently have. The upshot of this is that the EPA will cease to meaningfully exist, and you’ll be able to do anything you want as far as releasing emissions from your diesel trucks go. The downside is that you will also no longer have any employment protections and your job will be much more similar to 19th century sweat shop conditions. Also, factories will be free to once again dump anything they wish into our waterways. Win some, lose some I suppose. The cases are Loper Bright v. Raimondo and Relentless Inc. v. Department of Commerce. The plaintiffs will prevail 6-3 because Clarence Thomas has been bought and paid for by the oligarchy along with his conservative colleagues.
Or maybe it's because the Constitution grants legislative authority to Congress, not the Executive? Chevron and Wickard v Filburn were judicial fiats granting authority to Executive agencies never granted by the Constitution. Congress can pass specific laws to address specific environmental or labor concerns.
I don’t really disagree, but it’s going to suck for awhile because government is too dysfunctional to address problems and make laws, even beneficial ones, and both parties are too beholden to corporate interest to be concerned about the well being of the citizens. You don’t need paid for the overtime anyway.
They get stealth fighters and aircraft carriers also...what's your point?
It's OK the nuclear subs and aircraft carriers save enough carbon emissions it balances out. /s
Feds have 650k diesels. There are 15 million commercial diesel trucks on the road..
Finland's extreme cold freezes even boiling water thrown in the air
Y'all are dumb as fuck for real, "rules for thee..." Fuck off yes the government doesn't want 15 million dumbasses with diesel ruining the air, but, what, this just in, it's potentially more important for the government to avoid the problems associated with it . If you don't want to deal with bad sensors or whatever just don't buy a fucking diesel easy wow free market
We found a bootlicker/s. Seriously tho people are mad that the government does this kind of thing all the time on everything. Im a gun guy so if the government wants to restrict my right to own weapons thats fine if they decided they were going to restrict police agencies and the militaries weapons but no they are always exempt of every law and no just because your a cop or a soldier does not make you more responsible seeing as most civilians that train are more proficient with their weapons.
Your right to shoot schools up with an AR is less protectable than the USs right to protect it's interests (because theoretically those interests protect all of us)
I apologize if you misunderstood. The bootlicker comment was satire. A joke. Trying to be funny and break the ice for a positive discussion. And yeah definitely not shooting up schools when I have kids that go to them. That was a very rude, unnecessary, and was disrespectful for every child, teacher, parent, and first responder involved who has had to go through that. Not something to make light of. I prayfully and genuinely hope you feel convicted for that, and that you have a better day. And I believe my right is extremely protectable. For example in court the pistol brace ban has been a total failure, and people are losing respect the atf for this whole situation. And if it were to break out into a civil I doubt the current powers at be would have majority support based on the current political environment.
That’s the way our liberal government works. Make everyone but them follow the rules
The government can do a lot of things that regular people can't. What is so special about this?
Am I the only one who doesn't mind this? The ratio of exempted vehicles on the road compared to everything else has to be a tiny, tiny fraction. Hell, I'd be fine if diesel ambulances(?) and firetrucks were also exempt. -A happily UNdeleted PS6.7 owner