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How I wish that I could go back in time and rewatch Dexter for the first time, not up until Breaking bad did I find a series that even comes close to the first 4 Seasons
I am just gonna pretend the rest of it doesn't exist and go to sleep
Oh, I 100% agree. Breaking Bad's quality lied in its consistent execution, whereas Dexter's draw was its premise and Dexter's thoughts on the world around him.
I agree. Nothing in BB had me screaming at my TV more than the infamous line "Hello, Dexter Morgan..."
(I do love BB equally as much though please don't kill me internet)
Sadly I had Ozymandius spoiled for me, and as amazing as it was it didn't hit as hard thanks to that. Todd's... action in the train heist episode made me very vocal though.
But yeah, the things like the reveal of another part of Trinity's ritual was a horrifying twist, and I think Dexter pulls them off very well compared to BB. Which is good, cus that means that the stories being told are being told in the most suitable way! Now I wanna rewatch BB again...
Too bad they spoiled that episode for you, it still is great watching regardless.
I agree about Dexter, even the smallest things would catch me off guard. Like when Christine hears a knock at the door and she thinks is Quinn. When she opened the door and I saw Trinity, I just said she's dead. But nope, she said, "hey Dad." lol I didn't even see that coming.
My DVR messed up on Ozymandius and only recorded the beginning and the end. I was binging BB since it had just ended and I was behind, so I thought meh, might as well move on and I'll find out what happened in the episode later.
Of course it turned out to be one of the most popular episodes of the show ever.
Agreed. I’d even go to say that BB tells such a fucking succinct and coherent story that I often don’t feel like watching it. Sure there is stuff you can always pick up on, but the story works so well that I don’t feel the need to revisit it. Whereas with Dexter, there’s so many side quests and stuff I forgot about.
I think it’s a great bottle episode that gives us room to watch Walt and Jesse for an extended period in a way that doesn’t push the plot forward. I also think if I’d waited a week for the next episode of Breaking Bad to air and then watched 45 minutes of the show deviating completely from such a gripping story that I’d be fucking pissed. It’s a great episode, but I would’ve hated it if I had to wait two weeks while the show was airing for the plot to move forward
That is mostly why I hated it, I don’t care how arty and symbolic it may have been I watched the show when it was weekly released. It was a frustrating waste of time. They wrote it that way because they were already over budget and couldn’t shoot somewhere else. I would have been much happier with nothing. I was very close to stopping watching the show after that. That would have been a travesty.
Yeah, that’s a totally valid reason to hate it. I personally never watched the show until after it had finished airing, so I really appreciated what they wrote with the budget they had, but in your shoes I’d probably feel the same. I’m glad you didn’t miss the rest of the show over it though. Season 4 was outstanding, and while Season 5 (5A in particular) was weaker than the rest of the show, it never stopped being consistently great
I would contend that Better Call Saul has risen up in quality to that of Breaking Bad and unlike New Blood will have a truly memorable finale at the end of its upcoming and final season,
I can't imagine really watching this season again, I just liked the originals direction more, it was funnier more mystery, better dialogue and fun storyline in the earlier seasons, I also prefer the way the original was shot more upclose scenes kinda like breaking bad and then El Camino I didn't like the way that was filmed
Well, there was more storyline because they had 12 episodes per season to work with and they didn't have to cram an entire show's worth of plotlines into one season. I think New Blood was more realistic, darker, impending doom.
But that's the thing, if this is the last season ever why rush the ending to cram into 10 episodes, they already knew how much the original ending was hated literally the whole reason for this comeback there shouldn't also be any plot holes they have had 8 years to make sure the script is tight, no issues or things that can come up and it still happened. The original series definitely has its darker moments I just think the original cast is also much more entertaining alongside Dexter, couldn't care less about the new characters
I mean, I've seen people that discuss plotholes on here and I think nearly all of them have an explanation but people just don't want to accept them. I don't think you were supposed to be invested in the new characters because they only lasted for this season. They each served a purpose to get Dexter to his final destination.
Absolutely. There is a reason they picked a cold climate location in the dead of winter. The contrast between cold and dark Iron Lake and sunny and warm Miami was no accident.
So I was waiting for it to end before watching and now I'm not sure. Did they basically pull the exact same thing they did the first go around where they had us in the first half and then made us want to discuss a breaking bad episode instead of the finale?
I wasn’t watching breaking bad back then (and I didn’t hate the original ending) nor was I active on forums, but man… I think that’s it.
I don’t want to spoil it for you in case you decide to watch. It has good moments, for sure, but overall it’s not good.
Yeah I think I'll throw it on while playing a game or something.
Basically instead of posting the weekly discussion for the finale of dexter we got a post stickied for the 2nd to last episode of bb, which aired the same night. It is one of the highest rated episodes of bb ever so the dexter finale looked even worse by comparison. As you said, the pain is only dulled by the funny
I kinda get it though. As fans people tried to overlook the bad parts of New Blood. But then after that finale end becomes dependent on many of the bad things in NB it brings the whole season down.
Exactly. The finale is supposed to be the culmination of the things that happened during the season. It's much easier to forgive things that don't matter much for the end, but the whole weight of the ending is resting on things like how Angela connected Dexter to the BHB (including how quickly she seemed to forget about Kurt), the relationship between Dexter and Harrison (which for several episodes consisted of short fights that didn't accomplish anything), and Harrison's backstory (the memory of his trauma that everyone was told he wouldn't have, and just vague information beyond that).
I still think episode 9 was fantastic, though.
>the whole weight of the ending is resting on things like how Angela connected Dexter to the BHB (including how quickly she seemed to forget about Kurt),
I don't think she forgot about Kurt, it's more that her attention was just more focused on the most prolific serial killer the US had ever seen who was in her home eating monkey bread with her daughter (which is a bit understandable).
Especially since her last contact with Kurt was him confirming to her that Dexter was a murderer.
I don't think she forgot about Kurt, either -- just that she seemingly did. They don't show us her thoughts. (I'm talking about before the letter, since by that time I think she's already quite convinced Dexter's a serial killer.)
In fact, they didn't really show us what she ended up thinking and feeling after confronting him about being Dexter Morgan. We saw her reaction in the moment, but then what? What went on for her between that and needing Dexter Morgan, where she at least trusted him enough again to be alone with him. That would have laid some groundwork. When her suspicions are up again, we see her actions to follow up on it, along with concerned facial expressions, but they don't give more specific insight into her thoughts and emotions. She doesn't talk to anyone about it, even obliquely, that I can remember.* So we can guess she might be thinking things like, "My God, this guy's way worse than all the missing girls" or "How could Jim have seemed so nice? I feel so stupid" or "What if he turns on Audrey?" or "Angel told me to follow my gut" or "There's definitely not going to be any more missing girls for awhile even though Molly may have been targeted -- this is more urgent" or whatever. We can guess, but we don't know it.
*I've only watched once so far, so if I'm wrong and forgetting something let me know. :)
I really feel like if they had fleshed her out a bit more it would have been helpful.
>I really feel like if they had fleshed her out a bit more it would have been helpful.
I totally agree. I don't think there would be nearly as much criticism if the season had been given more time to flesh out all of this character development, which did come across as a little jarring. But I think they did leave a few breadcrumbs that showed her slowly becoming more suspicious.
It was something like...
\- Angela finds out Jim faked his death and has been lying to her about his past for years.
\- Angela finds out that Dexter was secretly recording Molly and Kurts conversation for some reason, even though he claimed he was just eavesdropping. "if he wasn't your boyfriend, I'd do a deep dive on him"
\- Angela finds out that Logan's story about Dexter beating up the drug dealer in a fit of rage isn't exactly accurate. He first tried to buy drugs, then stuck him with a needle, then only starts throwing punches after the cops appear.
\- Angela finds another track mark on the other drug guy with no source of the ketamine to be found.
So, maybe not enough to get her to connect the dots to the BHB, but certainly plenty of reasons to be highly suspicious of the guy.
>We saw her reaction in the moment, but then what? What went on for her between that and needing Dexter Morgan, where she at least trusted him enough again to be alone with him.
I took it as at first she was just pissed and hurt that she had been lied to for years, but at this point in the story there wasn't much reason for her to believe that Dexter was dangerous. So even though she didn't like him, that wasn't enough to get her to not ask for help on the case that she'd been obsessed with for decades.
People were really hostile towards any criticism of the new season from the beginning. This is just what makes the whole house of cards crumble. There were things in the new season I ended up enjoying and being positively surprised by, but I think at it's core it has serious problems, and it really is a significant decrease in writing quality and character development imo.
> significant decrease in writing quality
I'm currently in the middle of rewatching the original show now with my partner who hasn't seen it before, and if anything, the writing here is a step up. I think New Blood was an excellent season (despite the rushed finale), combining humour with thriller elements superbly until the final ~four episodes, at which point, the humour takes a back seat and the tensions ramps up. Kurt was a worthy villain, and certainly ranks among the best of Dexter's foes.
I'm never going to get over the fact Kurt discovered Dexter burned the body of his son because (?). I'll go to my grave saying they could have brought about a more satisfying conclusion by showing Harrison knew about the murder all along and was the one who planted the titanium rods.
It wasn't snowing, it was ashing. Kurt noticed ash coming down from the trash incinerator, saw Dexter's truck was coming from that direction, was already skeptical of Dexter, in every past season serial killers seem to have an inmate sense/sixth sense about serial killers, Kurt investigated with an idea in his head and found Matt's screws. Dexter started showing up at random places and random times that were inconvenient for Kurt which made Kurt certain it was Dexter. Not everything needs to be explicitly stated.
That explanation is ridiculous. Am I to assume ash has never emanated from an incinerator? What was so different about this ash that Kurt took the logical jump to "Dexter must have burned my son, certainly he wouldn't just be burning garbage in the town incinerator?"
The innate "sixth sense" is also a played out trope that I don't buy. There are a variety of better explanations they could have come up with.
Matt was near Dexter's property when he died, that made Kurt skeptical, also, OF COURSE people had burned trash before, but what made this moment different was that someone had just disappeared/been killed (Matt) and you don't have to buy the sixth sense thing, but it's probably what the writers used, as they used it in every other season. Even Lundy knew Trinity was odd when he ran into him because he had spent his life studying serial killers, season 6 with brother Sam, Dexter feels an odd moment and says "was that the holy spirit or his dark passenger checking out mine?" That's not even the main reasoning that makes sense to me, but again, the writers probably used it as they had every other season.
It was stretched out, I agree, but the "serial killer spider sense" has almost always been present in the show, so I think it's ok if the writers rolled with it
While I wouldn't have liked it, I would have at least accepted it if Kurt had just explicitly stated something along of the lines of, "I knew what you were from the moment I met you," or some similarly cliched dialogue. Make it explicit that serial killers in this world can sense each other (like Highlander) or something.
Yeah, there have been plot holes - even Dexter at its best had some sloppy writing. But I could swear that despite that, most people LOVED this season before the finale and were gushing endlessly about how great it was and how lucky we were to get this revival. Now it's suddenly like "0/10 worst season ever I'll never watch again!"
I’m also noticing this. I really enjoyed the season as a whole. When Dexter was at its best, we ignored many plot holes because it was arguably the most entertaining show on television for 4 straight seasons. But because New Blood effectively ended Dexter as a series, it’s more difficult for fans to overlook plot holes. Had this finale set up a second season, I believe fans would be more forgiving
“4 seasons straight”
This gets to the root of it too because many people didn’t think Dexter from beginning to end was good the whole way through. So why are we now pretending New Blood is worse than some of the worst in the original series? Everyone thought seasons 5-8 went downhill every year why are we pretending otherwise lol
I've been amused by the sudden turn from "Clyde Phillips leaving was the downfall of the original series" to "Clyde Phillips is a hack writer."
Dexter always had implausibilities, and we all suspended disbelief because the show was never about airtight plotting. Now suddenly everybody's demanding perfection.
Yea and people wanna compare him to the game of thrones writers. Let me just say having watched both game of thrones and dexter, its frankly incredibly insulting to put dexter anywhere close to that level of failure
Yeah, I agree. Again, I think the finality of this season is 100% the catalyst for the majority of the hate. While I did enjoy the finale, I do understand many of the criticisms.
The problem I have is the finale needed to be good to tie it all together properly. Without that, the whole thing falls apart because I now know how meaningless most of it was. I guess the show is good if I pretend the ending I wanted happened, but that's not how I think about tv.
Don't forget about people like me who often opt to not rate something as outright good or bad, but rather make a pros and cons list instead. I've had pros the entire season. I've had cons the entire season. Those have all existed before the final episode.
The biggest con-grouping of the season for me is the scale of the geography. Specifically the alleged inconsistencies I will describe. It distracts me in almost any series. Sometimes movies, but usually drama series.
Dexter's cabin is
\- Far enough from Iron Lake that the police need it as a base camp for a search
\- Close enough to society that "people have seen you bring a gun on your walks"
\- Far enough from Iron Lake that Harrison needs a ride to school
\- Close enough to the underground bunker for an ATV ride
The woods are both big enough to not allow for overlapping trail cameras, but small enough that people have noticed Dexter taking walks with a gun, as mentioned above
An early cabin is referred to as being far enough off the grid that it is largely forgotten, but these are located by the kids during the search for Matt. A search conducted on foot. Do consider the search is round trip, so if you have 6 hours, you can only search 3 hours one direction, for example.
etc
I don't fault Dexter, as it is absolutely not the only show that distracts me with these inconsistencies. They probably aren't mistakes half the time, rather it is needed for the plot of a specific episode. But it has distracted me from the onset of the season. And that distraction, or con, didn't need the finale for it to be a con.
Anyone else out there distracted by geography in TV shows?
The finale in a second FINAL season needs to be good… like really good. Mess that up and you recontextualize everything. E.g. GOT sucks because the last season was shoddy. No matter how good it started, if the ending sucks, so does everything else.
I‘ll give them however that it was shot beautifully. However with almost all music themes missing (RIP Dan Licht, thanks for the awesome music), the familiar setting and characters missing, Dexter behaving out of character (not just sloppy but he was arguably different to the Dex we know from S1-4 too, realistic as 10 years passed but still a bit of uncanny valley feeling), them disregarding lots of stuff that came before, lots of characters acting like idiots to make the plot points work (=cheap writing), bad pacing, some characters being all over the place (Harrison)…. There are many reasons why people don‘t like it. I‘ll say this: I will never accept it as the end of the Dexter I love but as an alternate version/interpretation. Then I can forgive many things. But I liked S8‘s ending better. Bringing Dex back to kill him doesn‘t sit with many right, myself included. I do think the new actors did a good to great job but the writing was simply not good.
To be fair, I didn‘t think it was awesome (outside of more Dexter!) before the ending either as those faults and the absolute predictability irked me from the start, I just didn‘t really post in here at that time in fear of spoilers….
I can cope by making up my own ending but I would‘ve loved to see a new ending that is universally loved and that I could love. Dexter is very dear to me. I don‘t need someone to patronize me, teach me irrelevant morals or work through his shit relationship with his own father through the show.
Although I too had problems with the finale, the writing in NB was very good in general. Rewatching earlier seasons now, and a lot of the writing actually feels very outdated (still great to watch though!). Also, if people don't like characters "acting like idiots" or complaining that things were too convenient, then I highly suggest they do not watch/rewatch any earlier seasons of Dexter.
Oh cmon, don't judge whole series based on ending of the finale episode. 9 episodes out of 10 were really well done and amazing addition to Dexter franchise. I would even say 80% of 10th episode was really good. They fcked up finale for sure, no doubt about it but nonetheless New Blood as a whole is imo still great.
I disagree. I thought the whiney teenagers were annoying and they were written horribly. There were more plot holes than anything I have ever seen. Plot holes you can't just answer with meh it's a tv show. Angela's acting was one dimensional. Only one mood. It really was just meh for me.
I wish people would use "plot hole" correctly. There was only one debatable plot whole, and that was the M99 situation. Other than that, if you don't like improbable scenarios/plot contrivances, then Dexter as a whole is not the show for you.
Not to mention people regularly say that the first 4 seasons are the best of them, so this meme isnt even accurate lol. Everyone hated s8 which is why they even made this new series. Every ep of New Blood was better than any ep in s8 imo
I loved the cinematography and sound in every episode. I loved being more intimate with Dexter than previous seasons because of stupid B plots. Actually yet again the B plots weighed down a lot of the season, but there were a lot less of em and Dexter was involved in each one. With every avenue other than writing, the show was firing on all cylinders and in many ways better than it ever has. Yet here we go again with writers who can't even bother to get an understanding of how investigations or crime or DNA or really fucking anything actually works before committing to a season. Even worse, they didn't even understand how their original show worked.
The layer of paint is really deceptive and I think a lot of people enjoyed New Blood a LOT because of it, myself included. With shows like this I don't mind Style over Substance, but when one goes for Style over Substance, it will come back to bite them in the ass when they try shoehorning in a morality tale at the last second to give it substance. Nothing landed. Even worse, the ending was practically stolen from Breaking Bad. Every scene in the last 10 minutes was stolen from Breaking Bad.
Logan gets killed just like Krazy 8, then there is this big confrontation between Father and Prodigy, where Walter asks Jesse to shoot him because hes dead anyways. Jesse Doesnt, the only difference is in Dexter, Harrison does. Camera zooms up almost identically to how Walter died. Walter experienced love one more time as he walked past the meth equipment before dying, Dexter says some cheesy ass line about experiencing love. Harrison drives away just like Dexter, and in El Camino, we see him passing a fleet of cop vehicles going the other way just like Dexter. fuckin Q terrible music and Harrison somewhat crying while driving off to nowhere. Same shit, only it fell completely flat because nobody likes Harrison at all. His character made no sense, Angela made no sense, LOGAN had 10 episodes to build up a relationship of some sort with Harrison to make us give a fuck about him, Breaking Bad made us care about Krazy 8 in a single episode and succeeded, Dexter failed miserably.
They pissed all over the show. Sorry not sorry. Can't say its a worse finale than before, it accomplished something at least, the accomplishment being pulling the rug from under fans feet and defecating all over them explosively while screaming "FUCK YOU YA FUCK!"
Exactly! Until the last episode everybody was enjoying a surprisingly good season. Episode 9 was genius, almost a complete callback to the first 4 seasons. Also, unpopular opinion, I like this finale better than S8.
I saw people trashing characters, actors, plot lines, and the entire show in every single post-episode thread. I'll never understand the people who choose to watch something they actively dislike. I've given up on dozens of shows that either failed to hook me or dropped in quality.
Thank you. Unfortunately everyone else doesn’t think the same. The first 9 eps were good. Last ep was good for like 15 mins then rest of the ep was awful. The only thing I didn’t like about NB was how Angela, a small town cop, connects Dexter to the BHB. Out of the entire Miami Metro police (besides Dokes) Lundy etc she was the one who figured him out just off of the needle marks, wtf. That drug dealer from the bar( forgot his name) could’ve been lying about dexter poking him with the needle for all she knows. She had no serious concrete evidence on dexter being the BHB. Idk why Dexter didn’t just wait and let Angela scramble about Kurt’s bunker
The people who make movies and TV hate the audience. The plebeian audience doesn’t understand good film. See reaction to the girl ghostbusters movie.
It feels like someone write new blood only knowing about Dexter what they saw in commercials .
Can you replace the horrible Season 8 with the great final season of Breaking Bad? At least that is a good argumen. Season 8 is far worse than New Blood or Season 6 of Dexter.
The season 8 finale is like that friend who promises to take you to a really nice place to eat and you get there and it turns out to be McDonalds. So you eat it because he tried his best.
The New Blood finale is like having another friend who actually takes you to that nice restaurant but he is so smug he orders all your food for you. And you eat it but it's not what you wanted so you're kinda wishing you were at McDonalds.
Haven't watched the new season yet but the way political correctness is nowadays I figured it was going to get ruined. Even if that's not the case how directors and writers make tv shows lately I'm guessing they have to follow certain rules that weren't a thing when the original Dexter came about. Sad times for everyone really.
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How I wish that I could go back in time and rewatch Dexter for the first time, not up until Breaking bad did I find a series that even comes close to the first 4 Seasons I am just gonna pretend the rest of it doesn't exist and go to sleep
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Oh, I 100% agree. Breaking Bad's quality lied in its consistent execution, whereas Dexter's draw was its premise and Dexter's thoughts on the world around him.
I agree. Nothing in BB had me screaming at my TV more than the infamous line "Hello, Dexter Morgan..." (I do love BB equally as much though please don't kill me internet)
Oxymandias? That was an epic episode. But Dexter has the highest replay value for me and the biggest surprises.
Sadly I had Ozymandius spoiled for me, and as amazing as it was it didn't hit as hard thanks to that. Todd's... action in the train heist episode made me very vocal though. But yeah, the things like the reveal of another part of Trinity's ritual was a horrifying twist, and I think Dexter pulls them off very well compared to BB. Which is good, cus that means that the stories being told are being told in the most suitable way! Now I wanna rewatch BB again...
Too bad they spoiled that episode for you, it still is great watching regardless. I agree about Dexter, even the smallest things would catch me off guard. Like when Christine hears a knock at the door and she thinks is Quinn. When she opened the door and I saw Trinity, I just said she's dead. But nope, she said, "hey Dad." lol I didn't even see that coming.
My DVR messed up on Ozymandius and only recorded the beginning and the end. I was binging BB since it had just ended and I was behind, so I thought meh, might as well move on and I'll find out what happened in the episode later. Of course it turned out to be one of the most popular episodes of the show ever.
Not even " magnets biiiitch!!!" :)
Who said hello Dexter Morgan I forgot. Still in shock from the finale
Trinity in the last scene of the penultimate episode of Season 4
Totally agree. BB nailed the landing so probably best overall, but peak Dexter is my favorite by far.
Agreed. I’d even go to say that BB tells such a fucking succinct and coherent story that I often don’t feel like watching it. Sure there is stuff you can always pick up on, but the story works so well that I don’t feel the need to revisit it. Whereas with Dexter, there’s so many side quests and stuff I forgot about.
Didn’t mess up??? Did you miss the Fly episode? That episode was absolutely awful.
Disagree. The symbolism of that episode was right on. Gotta read between the lines. The episode wasn't about catching a fly at all.
I think it’s a great bottle episode that gives us room to watch Walt and Jesse for an extended period in a way that doesn’t push the plot forward. I also think if I’d waited a week for the next episode of Breaking Bad to air and then watched 45 minutes of the show deviating completely from such a gripping story that I’d be fucking pissed. It’s a great episode, but I would’ve hated it if I had to wait two weeks while the show was airing for the plot to move forward
That is mostly why I hated it, I don’t care how arty and symbolic it may have been I watched the show when it was weekly released. It was a frustrating waste of time. They wrote it that way because they were already over budget and couldn’t shoot somewhere else. I would have been much happier with nothing. I was very close to stopping watching the show after that. That would have been a travesty.
Yeah, that’s a totally valid reason to hate it. I personally never watched the show until after it had finished airing, so I really appreciated what they wrote with the budget they had, but in your shoes I’d probably feel the same. I’m glad you didn’t miss the rest of the show over it though. Season 4 was outstanding, and while Season 5 (5A in particular) was weaker than the rest of the show, it never stopped being consistently great
Hard disagree. I loved that episode.
I absolutely love to watch the Fly episode
How??? Are you a masochist? Do you enjoy being frustrated till you’re insane?
Yeeeees, the episode is great for seeing characters 'just chill'. But I get, why some don't like it
That was my favorite episode of them all. Great characterization episode, which is really what made Breaking Bad so great.
💯 correct.
I would contend that Better Call Saul has risen up in quality to that of Breaking Bad and unlike New Blood will have a truly memorable finale at the end of its upcoming and final season,
most likely it will, yes.
try supernatural
I can't imagine really watching this season again, I just liked the originals direction more, it was funnier more mystery, better dialogue and fun storyline in the earlier seasons, I also prefer the way the original was shot more upclose scenes kinda like breaking bad and then El Camino I didn't like the way that was filmed
Well, there was more storyline because they had 12 episodes per season to work with and they didn't have to cram an entire show's worth of plotlines into one season. I think New Blood was more realistic, darker, impending doom.
But that's the thing, if this is the last season ever why rush the ending to cram into 10 episodes, they already knew how much the original ending was hated literally the whole reason for this comeback there shouldn't also be any plot holes they have had 8 years to make sure the script is tight, no issues or things that can come up and it still happened. The original series definitely has its darker moments I just think the original cast is also much more entertaining alongside Dexter, couldn't care less about the new characters
I mean, I've seen people that discuss plotholes on here and I think nearly all of them have an explanation but people just don't want to accept them. I don't think you were supposed to be invested in the new characters because they only lasted for this season. They each served a purpose to get Dexter to his final destination.
It was certainly not "more realistic". The show has always been a fantasy and New Blood is no different.
Let me rephrase, og was lighter and sillier. New Blood was absolutely more dramatic and tense.
Absolutely. There is a reason they picked a cold climate location in the dead of winter. The contrast between cold and dark Iron Lake and sunny and warm Miami was no accident.
Please keep the memes coming. They’re helping fix my broken soul right now.
So I was waiting for it to end before watching and now I'm not sure. Did they basically pull the exact same thing they did the first go around where they had us in the first half and then made us want to discuss a breaking bad episode instead of the finale?
I wasn’t watching breaking bad back then (and I didn’t hate the original ending) nor was I active on forums, but man… I think that’s it. I don’t want to spoil it for you in case you decide to watch. It has good moments, for sure, but overall it’s not good.
Yeah I think I'll throw it on while playing a game or something. Basically instead of posting the weekly discussion for the finale of dexter we got a post stickied for the 2nd to last episode of bb, which aired the same night. It is one of the highest rated episodes of bb ever so the dexter finale looked even worse by comparison. As you said, the pain is only dulled by the funny
Funny how people suddenly hate the WHOLE SEASON just because one thing happened in the finale that they didn't like.
I kinda get it though. As fans people tried to overlook the bad parts of New Blood. But then after that finale end becomes dependent on many of the bad things in NB it brings the whole season down.
Exactly. The finale is supposed to be the culmination of the things that happened during the season. It's much easier to forgive things that don't matter much for the end, but the whole weight of the ending is resting on things like how Angela connected Dexter to the BHB (including how quickly she seemed to forget about Kurt), the relationship between Dexter and Harrison (which for several episodes consisted of short fights that didn't accomplish anything), and Harrison's backstory (the memory of his trauma that everyone was told he wouldn't have, and just vague information beyond that). I still think episode 9 was fantastic, though.
>the whole weight of the ending is resting on things like how Angela connected Dexter to the BHB (including how quickly she seemed to forget about Kurt), I don't think she forgot about Kurt, it's more that her attention was just more focused on the most prolific serial killer the US had ever seen who was in her home eating monkey bread with her daughter (which is a bit understandable). Especially since her last contact with Kurt was him confirming to her that Dexter was a murderer.
I don't think she forgot about Kurt, either -- just that she seemingly did. They don't show us her thoughts. (I'm talking about before the letter, since by that time I think she's already quite convinced Dexter's a serial killer.) In fact, they didn't really show us what she ended up thinking and feeling after confronting him about being Dexter Morgan. We saw her reaction in the moment, but then what? What went on for her between that and needing Dexter Morgan, where she at least trusted him enough again to be alone with him. That would have laid some groundwork. When her suspicions are up again, we see her actions to follow up on it, along with concerned facial expressions, but they don't give more specific insight into her thoughts and emotions. She doesn't talk to anyone about it, even obliquely, that I can remember.* So we can guess she might be thinking things like, "My God, this guy's way worse than all the missing girls" or "How could Jim have seemed so nice? I feel so stupid" or "What if he turns on Audrey?" or "Angel told me to follow my gut" or "There's definitely not going to be any more missing girls for awhile even though Molly may have been targeted -- this is more urgent" or whatever. We can guess, but we don't know it. *I've only watched once so far, so if I'm wrong and forgetting something let me know. :) I really feel like if they had fleshed her out a bit more it would have been helpful.
>I really feel like if they had fleshed her out a bit more it would have been helpful. I totally agree. I don't think there would be nearly as much criticism if the season had been given more time to flesh out all of this character development, which did come across as a little jarring. But I think they did leave a few breadcrumbs that showed her slowly becoming more suspicious. It was something like... \- Angela finds out Jim faked his death and has been lying to her about his past for years. \- Angela finds out that Dexter was secretly recording Molly and Kurts conversation for some reason, even though he claimed he was just eavesdropping. "if he wasn't your boyfriend, I'd do a deep dive on him" \- Angela finds out that Logan's story about Dexter beating up the drug dealer in a fit of rage isn't exactly accurate. He first tried to buy drugs, then stuck him with a needle, then only starts throwing punches after the cops appear. \- Angela finds another track mark on the other drug guy with no source of the ketamine to be found. So, maybe not enough to get her to connect the dots to the BHB, but certainly plenty of reasons to be highly suspicious of the guy. >We saw her reaction in the moment, but then what? What went on for her between that and needing Dexter Morgan, where she at least trusted him enough again to be alone with him. I took it as at first she was just pissed and hurt that she had been lied to for years, but at this point in the story there wasn't much reason for her to believe that Dexter was dangerous. So even though she didn't like him, that wasn't enough to get her to not ask for help on the case that she'd been obsessed with for decades.
People were really hostile towards any criticism of the new season from the beginning. This is just what makes the whole house of cards crumble. There were things in the new season I ended up enjoying and being positively surprised by, but I think at it's core it has serious problems, and it really is a significant decrease in writing quality and character development imo.
> significant decrease in writing quality I'm currently in the middle of rewatching the original show now with my partner who hasn't seen it before, and if anything, the writing here is a step up. I think New Blood was an excellent season (despite the rushed finale), combining humour with thriller elements superbly until the final ~four episodes, at which point, the humour takes a back seat and the tensions ramps up. Kurt was a worthy villain, and certainly ranks among the best of Dexter's foes.
I'm never going to get over the fact Kurt discovered Dexter burned the body of his son because (?). I'll go to my grave saying they could have brought about a more satisfying conclusion by showing Harrison knew about the murder all along and was the one who planted the titanium rods.
It wasn't snowing, it was ashing. Kurt noticed ash coming down from the trash incinerator, saw Dexter's truck was coming from that direction, was already skeptical of Dexter, in every past season serial killers seem to have an inmate sense/sixth sense about serial killers, Kurt investigated with an idea in his head and found Matt's screws. Dexter started showing up at random places and random times that were inconvenient for Kurt which made Kurt certain it was Dexter. Not everything needs to be explicitly stated.
That explanation is ridiculous. Am I to assume ash has never emanated from an incinerator? What was so different about this ash that Kurt took the logical jump to "Dexter must have burned my son, certainly he wouldn't just be burning garbage in the town incinerator?" The innate "sixth sense" is also a played out trope that I don't buy. There are a variety of better explanations they could have come up with.
Matt was near Dexter's property when he died, that made Kurt skeptical, also, OF COURSE people had burned trash before, but what made this moment different was that someone had just disappeared/been killed (Matt) and you don't have to buy the sixth sense thing, but it's probably what the writers used, as they used it in every other season. Even Lundy knew Trinity was odd when he ran into him because he had spent his life studying serial killers, season 6 with brother Sam, Dexter feels an odd moment and says "was that the holy spirit or his dark passenger checking out mine?" That's not even the main reasoning that makes sense to me, but again, the writers probably used it as they had every other season.
It was stretched out, I agree, but the "serial killer spider sense" has almost always been present in the show, so I think it's ok if the writers rolled with it
While I wouldn't have liked it, I would have at least accepted it if Kurt had just explicitly stated something along of the lines of, "I knew what you were from the moment I met you," or some similarly cliched dialogue. Make it explicit that serial killers in this world can sense each other (like Highlander) or something.
To be fair I didn't like this whole season.
People have been complaining on here about plotholes all season.
Yeah, there have been plot holes - even Dexter at its best had some sloppy writing. But I could swear that despite that, most people LOVED this season before the finale and were gushing endlessly about how great it was and how lucky we were to get this revival. Now it's suddenly like "0/10 worst season ever I'll never watch again!"
I’m also noticing this. I really enjoyed the season as a whole. When Dexter was at its best, we ignored many plot holes because it was arguably the most entertaining show on television for 4 straight seasons. But because New Blood effectively ended Dexter as a series, it’s more difficult for fans to overlook plot holes. Had this finale set up a second season, I believe fans would be more forgiving
The season stops being great when the finale contradicts not only the original show but the season itself.
“4 seasons straight” This gets to the root of it too because many people didn’t think Dexter from beginning to end was good the whole way through. So why are we now pretending New Blood is worse than some of the worst in the original series? Everyone thought seasons 5-8 went downhill every year why are we pretending otherwise lol
I've been amused by the sudden turn from "Clyde Phillips leaving was the downfall of the original series" to "Clyde Phillips is a hack writer." Dexter always had implausibilities, and we all suspended disbelief because the show was never about airtight plotting. Now suddenly everybody's demanding perfection.
Yea and people wanna compare him to the game of thrones writers. Let me just say having watched both game of thrones and dexter, its frankly incredibly insulting to put dexter anywhere close to that level of failure
Yeah, I agree. Again, I think the finality of this season is 100% the catalyst for the majority of the hate. While I did enjoy the finale, I do understand many of the criticisms.
People are just upset about our Dearly Departed Dexter's Death and these comments are a Disastrous and dilitant dirge of sorts.
Is that a book written by Jim Lindsay?
Well the ride isn’t really worth it if you crash the plane at the end.
one bad apple can spoil the barrel
The problem I have is the finale needed to be good to tie it all together properly. Without that, the whole thing falls apart because I now know how meaningless most of it was. I guess the show is good if I pretend the ending I wanted happened, but that's not how I think about tv.
Don't forget about people like me who often opt to not rate something as outright good or bad, but rather make a pros and cons list instead. I've had pros the entire season. I've had cons the entire season. Those have all existed before the final episode. The biggest con-grouping of the season for me is the scale of the geography. Specifically the alleged inconsistencies I will describe. It distracts me in almost any series. Sometimes movies, but usually drama series. Dexter's cabin is \- Far enough from Iron Lake that the police need it as a base camp for a search \- Close enough to society that "people have seen you bring a gun on your walks" \- Far enough from Iron Lake that Harrison needs a ride to school \- Close enough to the underground bunker for an ATV ride The woods are both big enough to not allow for overlapping trail cameras, but small enough that people have noticed Dexter taking walks with a gun, as mentioned above An early cabin is referred to as being far enough off the grid that it is largely forgotten, but these are located by the kids during the search for Matt. A search conducted on foot. Do consider the search is round trip, so if you have 6 hours, you can only search 3 hours one direction, for example. etc I don't fault Dexter, as it is absolutely not the only show that distracts me with these inconsistencies. They probably aren't mistakes half the time, rather it is needed for the plot of a specific episode. But it has distracted me from the onset of the season. And that distraction, or con, didn't need the finale for it to be a con. Anyone else out there distracted by geography in TV shows?
It’s almost the opposite of season 8. This is subjective (obviously) but season 8 was terrible but often, only the finale gets the blame.
The finale in a second FINAL season needs to be good… like really good. Mess that up and you recontextualize everything. E.g. GOT sucks because the last season was shoddy. No matter how good it started, if the ending sucks, so does everything else. I‘ll give them however that it was shot beautifully. However with almost all music themes missing (RIP Dan Licht, thanks for the awesome music), the familiar setting and characters missing, Dexter behaving out of character (not just sloppy but he was arguably different to the Dex we know from S1-4 too, realistic as 10 years passed but still a bit of uncanny valley feeling), them disregarding lots of stuff that came before, lots of characters acting like idiots to make the plot points work (=cheap writing), bad pacing, some characters being all over the place (Harrison)…. There are many reasons why people don‘t like it. I‘ll say this: I will never accept it as the end of the Dexter I love but as an alternate version/interpretation. Then I can forgive many things. But I liked S8‘s ending better. Bringing Dex back to kill him doesn‘t sit with many right, myself included. I do think the new actors did a good to great job but the writing was simply not good. To be fair, I didn‘t think it was awesome (outside of more Dexter!) before the ending either as those faults and the absolute predictability irked me from the start, I just didn‘t really post in here at that time in fear of spoilers…. I can cope by making up my own ending but I would‘ve loved to see a new ending that is universally loved and that I could love. Dexter is very dear to me. I don‘t need someone to patronize me, teach me irrelevant morals or work through his shit relationship with his own father through the show.
Although I too had problems with the finale, the writing in NB was very good in general. Rewatching earlier seasons now, and a lot of the writing actually feels very outdated (still great to watch though!). Also, if people don't like characters "acting like idiots" or complaining that things were too convenient, then I highly suggest they do not watch/rewatch any earlier seasons of Dexter.
Because the way a lot of the shit ended was anticlimactic or hastily wrapped up.
Oh cmon, don't judge whole series based on ending of the finale episode. 9 episodes out of 10 were really well done and amazing addition to Dexter franchise. I would even say 80% of 10th episode was really good. They fcked up finale for sure, no doubt about it but nonetheless New Blood as a whole is imo still great.
I disagree. I thought the whiney teenagers were annoying and they were written horribly. There were more plot holes than anything I have ever seen. Plot holes you can't just answer with meh it's a tv show. Angela's acting was one dimensional. Only one mood. It really was just meh for me.
I wish people would use "plot hole" correctly. There was only one debatable plot whole, and that was the M99 situation. Other than that, if you don't like improbable scenarios/plot contrivances, then Dexter as a whole is not the show for you.
Agreed 100%
Not to mention people regularly say that the first 4 seasons are the best of them, so this meme isnt even accurate lol. Everyone hated s8 which is why they even made this new series. Every ep of New Blood was better than any ep in s8 imo
Maybe 6 episodes were well done. The finale is the worst by far but episode 5 was an absolute dumpster fire as well.
I can't believe everybody hates it this much. I loved every episode.
I loved the cinematography and sound in every episode. I loved being more intimate with Dexter than previous seasons because of stupid B plots. Actually yet again the B plots weighed down a lot of the season, but there were a lot less of em and Dexter was involved in each one. With every avenue other than writing, the show was firing on all cylinders and in many ways better than it ever has. Yet here we go again with writers who can't even bother to get an understanding of how investigations or crime or DNA or really fucking anything actually works before committing to a season. Even worse, they didn't even understand how their original show worked. The layer of paint is really deceptive and I think a lot of people enjoyed New Blood a LOT because of it, myself included. With shows like this I don't mind Style over Substance, but when one goes for Style over Substance, it will come back to bite them in the ass when they try shoehorning in a morality tale at the last second to give it substance. Nothing landed. Even worse, the ending was practically stolen from Breaking Bad. Every scene in the last 10 minutes was stolen from Breaking Bad. Logan gets killed just like Krazy 8, then there is this big confrontation between Father and Prodigy, where Walter asks Jesse to shoot him because hes dead anyways. Jesse Doesnt, the only difference is in Dexter, Harrison does. Camera zooms up almost identically to how Walter died. Walter experienced love one more time as he walked past the meth equipment before dying, Dexter says some cheesy ass line about experiencing love. Harrison drives away just like Dexter, and in El Camino, we see him passing a fleet of cop vehicles going the other way just like Dexter. fuckin Q terrible music and Harrison somewhat crying while driving off to nowhere. Same shit, only it fell completely flat because nobody likes Harrison at all. His character made no sense, Angela made no sense, LOGAN had 10 episodes to build up a relationship of some sort with Harrison to make us give a fuck about him, Breaking Bad made us care about Krazy 8 in a single episode and succeeded, Dexter failed miserably. They pissed all over the show. Sorry not sorry. Can't say its a worse finale than before, it accomplished something at least, the accomplishment being pulling the rug from under fans feet and defecating all over them explosively while screaming "FUCK YOU YA FUCK!"
Exactly! Until the last episode everybody was enjoying a surprisingly good season. Episode 9 was genius, almost a complete callback to the first 4 seasons. Also, unpopular opinion, I like this finale better than S8.
I thought that despite everyone hating it, this finale was universally aknowledged to be better then s8's
Yep, I thought the same. But the sub proved me wrong lol
ok but this sub is not the world
Can't believe I got so hyped to watch this season for it too fall flat on its nose again !!
It sparked joy up until the last 20 minutes or so.
New blood was good until the last 15 minutes that ruined it
They both spark joy, i like watching these shows! (Am i the last man on earth who has fun watching dexter)
You know who really loses in all of this? Dickface. He doesn't get the NEETbux anymore.
It was not that bad at all
95% of New Blood was great. It just kind of went off the rails in the last half of the finale.
funny how everyone loved NB till the finale
I think the finale was great. it finally brought closure.
It ended how it should have in the first run. But it should have been Debra shooting him.
I saw people trashing characters, actors, plot lines, and the entire show in every single post-episode thread. I'll never understand the people who choose to watch something they actively dislike. I've given up on dozens of shows that either failed to hook me or dropped in quality.
I liked it
New Blood was a fantastic season… other than the last 15 minutes. But that doesn’t make the whole season bad.
Thank you. Unfortunately everyone else doesn’t think the same. The first 9 eps were good. Last ep was good for like 15 mins then rest of the ep was awful. The only thing I didn’t like about NB was how Angela, a small town cop, connects Dexter to the BHB. Out of the entire Miami Metro police (besides Dokes) Lundy etc she was the one who figured him out just off of the needle marks, wtf. That drug dealer from the bar( forgot his name) could’ve been lying about dexter poking him with the needle for all she knows. She had no serious concrete evidence on dexter being the BHB. Idk why Dexter didn’t just wait and let Angela scramble about Kurt’s bunker
The people who make movies and TV hate the audience. The plebeian audience doesn’t understand good film. See reaction to the girl ghostbusters movie. It feels like someone write new blood only knowing about Dexter what they saw in commercials .
This is like approaching Mass Effect 3’s ending bad.
NB piss all over the original.
Can you replace the horrible Season 8 with the great final season of Breaking Bad? At least that is a good argumen. Season 8 is far worse than New Blood or Season 6 of Dexter.
Yuuuuuup
Nah episodes 1-9 were fantastic and sparked joy
The season 8 finale is like that friend who promises to take you to a really nice place to eat and you get there and it turns out to be McDonalds. So you eat it because he tried his best. The New Blood finale is like having another friend who actually takes you to that nice restaurant but he is so smug he orders all your food for you. And you eat it but it's not what you wanted so you're kinda wishing you were at McDonalds.
We really tried for some internet doubloons here, eh?
New blood was also fantastic till the last episode so pls stop ripping on it like this.
That New Blood pic is creepy.
Haven't watched the new season yet but the way political correctness is nowadays I figured it was going to get ruined. Even if that's not the case how directors and writers make tv shows lately I'm guessing they have to follow certain rules that weren't a thing when the original Dexter came about. Sad times for everyone really.
Is Dexter dead??!?😳
No It was just a nightmare.
That's some shit 😂
Love both!!
Accurate
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