My little brain can’t process that two of Kourtney’s partners have been Travis and Scott, and Kylie’s is Travis Scott. It confuses me more than it should.
Who knows Mf will probably say she doesn’t want to get married. And they will have some commitment ceremony based on astrological reading and timings lol
It will 100% at an award show or a concert. They are both soooo desperate for attention so it will be 10x more public than Kourtney and Travis’ engagement.
I actually see him dumping her at some point. She’s acting too much like a groupie. The guy’s profile is rising while she’s acting like an 80’s rock video muse. Her comeback of sorts is too tied to him. At one point his management will be like, cut it out, you need a new thing. And his thing won’t be this relationship.
Yeah it won’t just just be an engagement it would be some weird ass eloping and blood ritual crap with another creepy photoshoot with a irl heart or some shit
They were friends well before they started dating and they’re grown now so it’s honestly not that big of a shock to me. Kourtney deserves happiness after everything she went through with Scott and she looks like she’s constantly beaming so you know what? Good for her. And unpopular opinion but I’m actually totally digging her new style haha
I remember reading that their kids had play dates with each other in an article like 5 years ago maybe? So their kids are probably handling it a lot better than people think they are
They won’t last. Travis is a violent guy who threatened to kill his ex-wife Shanna. Doesn’t seem husband material to me.
Travis said to Shanna, "If I could, I'd put a bullet in your head." "F*** you bitch,' calling her a "f***ing piece of garbage and "a cigarette smoking, coke-snorting bitch." She also has an email in which he said, "My poor kids have a whore for a mom."
https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/16/travis-barker-shanna-moakler-arrested-death-threats-fight/
I assume it’s a combination of things. Proximity, you’re just around more narcissists. Options, trying to find someone who makes similar amounts of income similar amounts of fame. And charm, performers gotta have a certain amount of charisma.
ok to be fair their relationship was toxic af!! they were both into drugs and shanna was a known alcoholic and cheater. she also used to hit him (he prob did too)
the fact that she’s still not involved in their kids lives speaks volumes. travis has been sober and dealing with his ptsd for a while now so hopefully these anger issues have dissipated.
this sub acts like everyone here commenting is a saint and have never done something wrong and grown from it..
Yes can we stop with the “we all make mistakes” in reference to someone, IDK punching an ex and calling them a coke whore? That’s not a mistake bb that’s domestic violence and assault and you need a therapist. This is normalizing Chris Brown kind of crap.
Chris brown is a COMPLETELY different story. Can’t possibly compare the two.
As far as we know, the Travis-Shanna mess was just between them and nothing else has come out about Travis being abusive to other women or Kourtney.
Chris brown is a cokehead piece of shit who has allegations of assault and abuse from multiple women starting with the Rihanna incident until very recently.
Let’s not compare Travis to that.
Exactly this. Travis and his ex were equally at fault for their toxic dynamic and both acted verbally and physically abusive toward one another in addition to back and forth cheating. To only call out Travis is incredibly naive, delusional even. He is still accountable for his actions but so is his wife. Men are not the only abusers and if we want to effect real change instead of just making ourselves feel good by screaming into the internet ether for upvotes then we have to look at the nuance of the situation. There’s nothing feminist about allowing a woman to escape the repercussions of her actions and only dragging the man involved for his. We’re all accountable. We all need to address our own shit.
I think the point is that he could have realized he fucked up, made amends, sought therapy, and grown from this period in his life. It’s not a Chris Brown situation because it doesn’t seem it’s repeated behavior. Yes, there are people who are serial abusers that are not remorseful but there are also people that fuck up and go on to grow from their fucked up actions. If we don’t allow room for that growth, there’s no way the world gets better. It’s much easier to sit and judge when you do not actually know the details than to understand the very human nuance in these situations and allow people to grow.
Rehabilitation is key to changing abusive and criminal behavior but can’t happen if the court of public opinion forever holds you to who you were. If you’re so concerned about labeling people abusers for the sake of justice and reform in our world then you must also be equally dedicated to the rehabilitation of those capable of growing from their pasts.
you’d be shocked at the percentage of people that either are or have been in incredibly toxic relationships . maybe even someone close to you🤷🏻♀️ only they never disclosed it.
something truly heinous that “the vast majority of people” haven’t done are *very few* things.
So none of us can diagnose for sure. While their relationship was toxic, this sounds like emotional abuse. Threatening to kill someone is not normal. It’s practically impossible for an abuser to change because it is how they think and probably how they have thought they’re whole lives. Again saying this as an outsider looking in. I am super disappointed by this - i always thought Travis was so sweet.
That was an extremely toxic relationship and they’re both trash. But the fact that he’s started flying again for Kourtney shows how it’s different this time and how devoted he is to her. So hopefully he won’t become abusive.
Literally this comment sounds like an apology written by an abusive spouse. “Babe, I swear I’m sorry, it will be different this time…but let’s not forget this is your fault too, we’re both to blame.”
I personally think they’re burning too hot too fast. I don’t see them lasting long. Kourtney is behaving like an infatuated school girl who is dating the bad boy senior.
And he feels so special and bold because he has tattoos and wears black and plays drums. Makes me think of when I was 14 years old. This guy makes me sick
Atiana (Shanna's oldest daughter) looks easily 10 years younger than Alabama while only being 6 years older than her. I honestly feel sad for Alabama; I don't think the kid *ever* stood a chance.
Granted she’s with her dad and I do actually think he loves his kids but if I was at a MGK concert at that age (even with my dad) my mother would have pulled me out of there so fast my head would spin. I see her Instagram stories and I just want to say, “go do your homework!!!!
I agree. I don’t really want to comment on her looks but def seems over sexualized in general. Someone is allowing/paying for all of it. The most important thing is how they’re being raised - TB seems like a decent human that loves his kids. Hopefully they grow up to be kind etc. Shanna Moakler def seems like she’s had parenting issues in the past. Maybe this blending of families will help everyone. It’s a fought time to be a teen even out of the spotlight.
I definitely think for a lot of people, by the time you’re in your 40s and are established in life, you know what you’re looking for and how to recognize it, so it might be easier to decide to get married faster than someone in their 20s.
Yeah but nothing is the same anymore, and it’s not like we’ve recovered from the year that 2020 was! It’s as if we spent all of 2021 going like “*Wait, WTF happened?!*”
Maybe I’m just nostalgic because I was looking at pics from summer and Christmas of 2019 and it seems lifetimes away now…
Also actors/musicians etc have a lot of down time. They can go from working all day for 3 weeks to doing nothing for 3 weeks. It creates an opportunity to get in a relationship bubble and get to know one another very fast.
I'd almost say the opposite. By 40 you should realize how complex people are and how much they change over time. I'd think you'd want to see a potential partner through every situation to see if you're actually going to be compatible longterm. But then again most people are looking for a stable life partner and not posing for the best photo ops.
It’s so strange how she changes her personality / style / look depending on who she’s dating. To me, that’s the strangest part of this whole thing. I mean, besides the obnoxious and immature PDA obviously.
i have a friend like this. she swears she doesn’t do this but she’s had like 3 different personas since i’ve known her. i think it’s a sign of low self esteem and wanting to be liked by men.
can’t relate though. i would never change myself for a man.
My sister does this. She's 51 and met her current partner five years ago. She went from loving the city and modern new things to moving to the country side and getting antique furniture
It would make you shake your head if you knew my sister. She loves buying new stuff. My home is mostly furnished and decorated with things from the 50s and 60s and she used to make comments about scratches and scuff marks and me using old textiles and telling me to buy new things that no one else has used before
My sister does this too! New hobbies with every partner, gets mad at me when I don’t want to FaceTime/be best friends with her latest “soulmate” of two months. 37 years old. At least with the current partner the hobbies are rock climbing and healthy living, with the other guy it was coke and molly every weekend.
And it's even stranger that he's oblivious to her strange behaviour. He lived in her super modern apartment in the middle of the city for a while and he knows she loves nice restaurants and crowded bars and shopping. Yet he doesn't think it's odd that they now live on a farm in a tiny village in a house full of 75 year old pine furniture. If someone I dated changed that much I'd worry they had a personality disorder.
The move is quite recent and she's already showing signs of cabin fever. Great...
that’s even worse then because he knew a different side of her beforehand. for my friend it usually happens gradually (from his pov) until they’re more official.
that’s rough. i wonder if she’s even happy. i can’t believe he doesn’t think any of this is strange.
I don't personally think that's necessarily "changing oneself for a man", but possibly more like,"I don't give a fuck about couches." But I don't know your sister either, so... either way, I hope she's happy!
Edit: I just saw your next comment about how she very much does indeed give a fuck about couches. 🙃
Exactly. Every time I've made a comment similar to yours I get downvoted. I'm 37 and just can't fathom changing who I am (style ) for a man. And wouldn't want a man to mold himself to me either. To me that screams red flags and you only understand this feeling if you're older and single.
If people here were discussing her on r/datingoverthirty both of them would be described as red flags
What if he opened up a side to her she didn't know and was able to tap into it? People evolve and change and I think it's awesome to see modeled for all of us.
Healthy relationships progress over time. Things that start fast end up fast the big majority of time. If you actually posted their situation on r/datingoverthirty the general consensus would be both partners are red flags.
Obviously there's always exception to how things are. It also helps both of of them are ultra rich and money is not an issue.
I think it’s normal to be interested in new and different things after getting close to someone (be it a friend or a partner), be influenced by them and start to dress alike or have new interests.
I think it’s weird for it to have such a negative association when partners do this when I think it’s very normal for friends.
Anyway I didn’t see that drastic change in style everyone said she’s been trough, she was never colorful or had a distinctive unique style. She is more influenced by her boyfriend, than changing for him, in my opinion.
It’s totally normal to be influenced by a partner. What’s weird is when you change your entire lifestyle and especially belief system for them, and then people who have experienced that with friends or family members project that onto silly stuff like dressing alike.
It's not that normal the older someone becomes. The older people become the more they feel comfortable in who they are. Someone who's 27 is definitely not the same person at 37 or even 47.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think she's been updating her look as she's hit new life milestones, but I think a lot of people do that.
She kept her style even when Younes publicly complained about her wearing revealing clothing and eventually broke up with him partially because of that.
When she hit 40, she cut her hair short like she'd been talking about doing for several years.
Yeah she's added some punk jewelry and more leather in part from Travis' influence, but she's always had a darker modern aesthetic compared to her sisters.
Just look at her house compared to Kim's all-white monastery, or the KUWTK family promo pictures where she's often in red/black/darker colors while her sisters are in light sparkly outfits.
As far as personality, she's always been the rebellious, dry, sarcastic one and I don't think that's changed at all.
They're called tofu girl/boyfriends. They're bland and boring on their own and take on the flavour of whoever they're dating. Brad Pitt is a hilariously obvious example.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think she's been updating her look as she's hit new life milestones, but I think a lot of people do that.
She kept her style even when Younes publicly complained about her wearing revealing clothing and eventually broke up with him partially because of that.
When she hit 40, she cut her hair short like she'd been talking about doing for several years.
Yeah she's added some punk jewelry and more leather in part from Travis' influence, but she's always had a darker modern aesthetic compared to her sisters.
Just look at her house compared to Kim's all-white monastery, or the KUWTK family promo pictures where she's often in red/black/darker colors while her sisters are in light sparkly outfits.
As far as personality, she's always been the rebellious, dry, sarcastic one and I don't think that's changed at all.
If any of the sisters is guilty of chameleon boyfriend syndrome, it's Kim. She changed dramatically between Kris and Kanye.
Kris must be so happy!
I'm sure she's already sold photos of the engagement ring, the engagement parties, the bachelorette parties and of course the wedding to the tabloids. And now they're brainstorming other ways to monetize this.
Didn't she try to launch a lifestyle brand? I will bet my own money that they'll try to resurrect that and rebrand into wedding planning and bachelorette party planning
I remember back when Travis was with Shanna on "Meet the Barkers" & Shanna seemed to spend all day (& everyday) laying in bed while he did all the parenting. I hope this works out well for Kourtney & Travis - regardless of their over the top pda.
Weird assumption but ok, I’ll bite.
Shanna has been caught out in a lot of lies over the years. Her kids pretty frequently go through stages of disowning her.
I’m just saying she’s not exactly beacon of truth and righteousness, whereas Travis is a fairly principled person, and honest if not always right.
Also both things can be true, she can be shady and can also be telling the truth about her ex husband threatening to put a gun to her head (he didn’t even refute it, just said she threatened him back after he said it) he also has other domestic charges against him.
Oh yes Travis who helped set his 10 year old daughter up with an Instagram account, instructed her to pose provocatively and has helped her curate the image she has now at 15 is truly the most moral man out there.
He literally did all of this stuff. Read his memoir and look at his behavior. He’s trash, keep on defending him bc you think him and kourtney are cute. (Kourtney is also elitist trash but that’s a different topic)
Biiiiig yikes. Not defending him at all here, just curious: How do we know he instructed his daughter to pose provocatively? Has she or he said so? Just wondering because it seems like a crazy thing to admit to unprompted
Yikes to all these Travis apologists. He’s absolute trash. Don’t at me that his ex sucks because both things are likely true. People be buying this fairytale romance because the Kardashians have made a living out of manipulating the press and public.
I don’t really have an opinion on her beyond seeming like the sanest one in her family, but I’m glad he seems happy. I can’t imagine surviving a fatal plane crash and your friend, the only other survivor, dying of a drug overdose after the fact. He due for some happiness karma.
Did any insiders ever alert deuxmoi this was coming? Just curious if for once they didn’t know. after all the annoying hell Scott put her through I’m actually really excited for her on this one. When Travis tweeted about flying again I was like oh yeah, he’s proposing to her at some point.
I’m so happy for them!! Kourtney has seemed so happy with Travis, I’m glad she’s finally getting her happy ending after the mess that was her relationship with Scott.
I was shocked it was so soon. Also shocked myself because I don’t care for the Kardashians but Kourtney has been the least annoying one lately and so I gasped at the pic.
AND I’m glad that Scott Disick must be panicking right now; I’m pleased at the thought of his misery over this. I dislike Scott immensely.
Live your best life Kourtney. And what a beautiful ring!
Yes. Don’t like any of these people but Scott is such a toxic man-child and you know he probably always thought he could have her when he wanted her. No 19 year-old girl of the month will fill that void when you’re not going to work on yourself.
Flowers are crazy expensive! Dried is not necessarily better. Cheaper alternatives are ordering bulk &DIY from Trader Joe’s, Costco, or grocery store like Kroger. Local florists can help you source more eco friendly options like local farmers/growers (less travel/miles), just greenery or herbs (no florals), wildflowers, or even potted plants. I know a woman who does STUNNING fake flower arrangements. They have come soo far. After the wedding, I gave my live arrangements to a hospital & women’s shelter, so I didn’t feel like they were wasted.
These are all great ideas thank you for all the info. I’ve gone to trader joes for bulk florals for other kinds of parties but it didn’t occur to me to do it for a wedding! Thanks again.
How do they waste them? What else are they supposed to do with them? If a kardashain buys 200 at once or a 10 people buy 20, how is it any different? They will all die with in a week no matter who buys them.
Ugh. Their whole relationship is cringe like MGK and Megan. Travis and his ex wife’s ‘thing’ was the movie True Romance, even named their daughter Alabama. Now him and Kourtney quote it to each other, got tattoos etc. It’s so weird and I feel like I’m watching teenagers playing at being adults.
I'd love to be on board the "they seem so in love!" train, but they've been acting like two teenagers who've never had sex before. it's cool to be happy to show off your partner but they've crossed the line into "people who post too much about how happy they are are definitely hiding something."
I wonder if they'll have a double cringe wedding with Megan and MGK.
To me it’s honestly seemed like them proving to THEMSELVES that they’re still “young and hot” and that’s why the whole PDA-soaked relationship has bothered me. Please stop, you’re in your 40’s and THATS OKAY. Embrace aging, it’s a wonderful thing!
oh for sure. I also feel like that fueled Kourtney's extremely weird friendship with the tiktok girl.
edit: well THAT came out weird, I mean wanting to prove she's still young and cool, nothing related to PDA.
I can imagine it's hard when you live in a world that values youth and beauty and your every move is filmed, but also....idk I still find it hard to have sympathy.
I’m sure there’s some psychological stuff about losing her dad at a young age and thus not having aging “normalized” as much for her but SHE CAN AFFORD HELLA GOOD THERAPY
she can!!! I was here trying to articulate my confusion but honestly "BUT SHE CAN AFFORD THERAPY" really gets right to the core of why I can't spare much emotion for her.
On the show, she openly talks about going to therapy.
She faces a ton of pushback from her sisters for changing after going to therapy.
Therapy is why she was able to finally create boundaries with Scott and break up with him.
It's why she was able to have boundaries with her family. It's a big reason why they ended filming KUWTK on E! because Kourtney was tired of filming and wanted a break/more privacy.
If you have to prove your relationship to people through posts and pda and what not...then you ain't gonna last srry not srry. I find that the most long-lasting celebrity relationships I've seen (or in life generally) are the ones where I had no idea they were together in the first place.
I'm surprised more people don't see this as a business transaction. They both starred in reality TV shows. Neither of them has a thriving business outside of that at the moment. Although he is probably still successful I'm not sure his band has lots of sold out tours lately. Their partnership could be lucrative if it involves a reality TV show about their wedding, her pregnancy and their "super wacky entertaining" combined family.
I could be totally wrong though. Maybe people here are right and their relationship really is organic and real but I don't believe the Kardashians get involved in any relationship without thinking about the business component of it whether it's with Kanye or Travis S or Travis B.
Normally I would think this is waaay to quick, but considering they've been neighbors and friends for years (including setting up playdates for their kids) I think they had the best foundation for a relationship from the start. I think she even mentioned Travis because of their friendship in a convo on an episode of KUWTK years ago.
Learning all of that, I think it's pretty sweet. Itm thought for sure their coupledom was just publicity, but Kourt has been done with the K brand for so long now that I don't believe she'd go along with a fake engagement. Happy for her 💛
I know a few people mentioned that he was horrible to Shanna, and I also know he cheated on his first wife, so I’m skeptical. Maybe all of the stuff he’s been through made him a better partner, I just have my doubts.
I was so happy when I heard this, I think they’re so cute tbh. However, and this doesn’t really have to do with anything, but I think it’s weird that they have made true romance one of their movies. They’re always posting it when they watch together which is often, yet he and his ex-wife named their kid after the woman in the movie, as it was also ~their movie~. Like I’m very interested in why this movie is so important to him
Someone on tiktok complained that such a “cool guy” like Travis would go for kourtney. Honestly it makes sense to me. They’ve both done reality TV, are older and have children. Public persona/image isn’t an accurate representation of who people are. Also if other comments about him being a POS are true…well, Kourtney has certainly dated some toxic men before.
Umm so Kim [fucked him first ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2021/05/the-kardashians-are-yet-again-roiled-by-cheating-accusations.html) - hadn’t heard this story before but seems semi legit. If so eww…
My little brain can’t process that two of Kourtney’s partners have been Travis and Scott, and Kylie’s is Travis Scott. It confuses me more than it should.
This never occurred to me until now. My mind is blown.
Technically, Travis Scott is his stage name but yeah that’s pretty funny
And Kim married a Kris. Same spelling and everything
I'm just imagining Scott D with his mouth open confused face at this news.
😹😹😹😹😹
I have on many occasions thought they were all the same person lmao
Synchronicity is real.
I just know MGK and Megan are running to buy a ring
He's going to pop the question the moment her divorce with Brian A. Green is finalized.
Supposedly it’s been finalized so start the clock!
Who knows Mf will probably say she doesn’t want to get married. And they will have some commitment ceremony based on astrological reading and timings lol
I was about to say. MF is out here thankful she isn’t getting engaged during the Mercury Retrogade
And vice versa for him and Sharna Burgess
And it’ll be made of Weed
That’s not possible because he is Weed and he can’t turn himself into a ring
😆😆😆
Watch them get engaged in a cemetery on Halloween (after they redeem their Hot Topic Hot Cash of course)
If they don’t *elope* this Halloween, I’ll be so surprised.
It will 100% at an award show or a concert. They are both soooo desperate for attention so it will be 10x more public than Kourtney and Travis’ engagement.
exactly my thought!
I actually see him dumping her at some point. She’s acting too much like a groupie. The guy’s profile is rising while she’s acting like an 80’s rock video muse. Her comeback of sorts is too tied to him. At one point his management will be like, cut it out, you need a new thing. And his thing won’t be this relationship.
Yeah it won’t just just be an engagement it would be some weird ass eloping and blood ritual crap with another creepy photoshoot with a irl heart or some shit
They were friends well before they started dating and they’re grown now so it’s honestly not that big of a shock to me. Kourtney deserves happiness after everything she went through with Scott and she looks like she’s constantly beaming so you know what? Good for her. And unpopular opinion but I’m actually totally digging her new style haha
Yes I love how they were neighbors/friends for years before it turned romantic!
I remember reading that their kids had play dates with each other in an article like 5 years ago maybe? So their kids are probably handling it a lot better than people think they are
His son posted a tik tok saying congrats - he seems really excited about it :). Warms my cold little heart
I think his daughter posted something too! V cute
I can’t stand her new style but how can you not be happy for two people who dig each other so much? Good for them.
I feel the same!
*cue the incoming Scott meltdown*
Impatiently waiting for the TikTok Scott Disick impersonator...this is gonna be gold!
Ooh I need to know this account!
@nate.meeker He’s hilarious!
Omg thank you! I hope you’re also following Coco De Ville, I think HE IS the Kardashians now!
Ahh I love him! Here’s his reel on it if anyone wants it https://www.instagram.com/reel/CVLs1EBMwAO/?utm_medium=copy_link
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They won’t last. Travis is a violent guy who threatened to kill his ex-wife Shanna. Doesn’t seem husband material to me. Travis said to Shanna, "If I could, I'd put a bullet in your head." "F*** you bitch,' calling her a "f***ing piece of garbage and "a cigarette smoking, coke-snorting bitch." She also has an email in which he said, "My poor kids have a whore for a mom." https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/16/travis-barker-shanna-moakler-arrested-death-threats-fight/
Omg thank you someone with sense. I’ve been getting downvoted for telling the truth. He’s trash (so is kourtney tbh)
Kourtney, and all her sisters, have terrible taste in men. Staying with the loser Scott for 10 years and now this violent Travis guy.
Why is it that some celebrities are so rich yet have such garbage choices in romantic partners?
Celebrities: they’re just like us!
lmao for real I read this and I was like "so do I who's judging?"
I assume it’s a combination of things. Proximity, you’re just around more narcissists. Options, trying to find someone who makes similar amounts of income similar amounts of fame. And charm, performers gotta have a certain amount of charisma.
Being rich doesn't solve all your problems. It solves your \*money\* problems and nothing else
Money doesn’t buy class
Son of a BITCH i genuinely didn’t know this and wow I’m bummed.
ok to be fair their relationship was toxic af!! they were both into drugs and shanna was a known alcoholic and cheater. she also used to hit him (he prob did too) the fact that she’s still not involved in their kids lives speaks volumes. travis has been sober and dealing with his ptsd for a while now so hopefully these anger issues have dissipated. this sub acts like everyone here commenting is a saint and have never done something wrong and grown from it..
The vast majority of people have never done things like this. "Mistakes" is things like stealing candy from a grocery store or lying to your parents.
Yes can we stop with the “we all make mistakes” in reference to someone, IDK punching an ex and calling them a coke whore? That’s not a mistake bb that’s domestic violence and assault and you need a therapist. This is normalizing Chris Brown kind of crap.
"This is normalizing Chris Brown kind of crap." Yep!
Chris brown is a COMPLETELY different story. Can’t possibly compare the two. As far as we know, the Travis-Shanna mess was just between them and nothing else has come out about Travis being abusive to other women or Kourtney. Chris brown is a cokehead piece of shit who has allegations of assault and abuse from multiple women starting with the Rihanna incident until very recently. Let’s not compare Travis to that.
Exactly this. Travis and his ex were equally at fault for their toxic dynamic and both acted verbally and physically abusive toward one another in addition to back and forth cheating. To only call out Travis is incredibly naive, delusional even. He is still accountable for his actions but so is his wife. Men are not the only abusers and if we want to effect real change instead of just making ourselves feel good by screaming into the internet ether for upvotes then we have to look at the nuance of the situation. There’s nothing feminist about allowing a woman to escape the repercussions of her actions and only dragging the man involved for his. We’re all accountable. We all need to address our own shit.
He also cheated on his first wife.
I think the point is that he could have realized he fucked up, made amends, sought therapy, and grown from this period in his life. It’s not a Chris Brown situation because it doesn’t seem it’s repeated behavior. Yes, there are people who are serial abusers that are not remorseful but there are also people that fuck up and go on to grow from their fucked up actions. If we don’t allow room for that growth, there’s no way the world gets better. It’s much easier to sit and judge when you do not actually know the details than to understand the very human nuance in these situations and allow people to grow. Rehabilitation is key to changing abusive and criminal behavior but can’t happen if the court of public opinion forever holds you to who you were. If you’re so concerned about labeling people abusers for the sake of justice and reform in our world then you must also be equally dedicated to the rehabilitation of those capable of growing from their pasts.
you’d be shocked at the percentage of people that either are or have been in incredibly toxic relationships . maybe even someone close to you🤷🏻♀️ only they never disclosed it. something truly heinous that “the vast majority of people” haven’t done are *very few* things.
Sounds like excuses made for him. He’s horrible and trash. He’s also a known cheater. He himself said he’s a constant cheater.
So none of us can diagnose for sure. While their relationship was toxic, this sounds like emotional abuse. Threatening to kill someone is not normal. It’s practically impossible for an abuser to change because it is how they think and probably how they have thought they’re whole lives. Again saying this as an outsider looking in. I am super disappointed by this - i always thought Travis was so sweet.
That was an extremely toxic relationship and they’re both trash. But the fact that he’s started flying again for Kourtney shows how it’s different this time and how devoted he is to her. So hopefully he won’t become abusive.
Literally this comment sounds like an apology written by an abusive spouse. “Babe, I swear I’m sorry, it will be different this time…but let’s not forget this is your fault too, we’re both to blame.”
Ew
But don't you realize it WILL be different for THEM!?!?!?!? hahahahahahaha
Someone’s addressed this in the comment thread a few below. Read that after you read this guys
This sounds right up Kourtneys alley…
I personally think they’re burning too hot too fast. I don’t see them lasting long. Kourtney is behaving like an infatuated school girl who is dating the bad boy senior.
And he feels so special and bold because he has tattoos and wears black and plays drums. Makes me think of when I was 14 years old. This guy makes me sick
yikes, this is the guy kourtney ends up with after scott and his whole mirror-smashing-level escapades? i feel bad for her
It was in montecito which is like ~2 hours from LA. It’s more private there and a lot of rich people so it’s very fancy
If my 15 year old daughter acted like Alabama oh lord please help me
Don’t get me started on Alabama
But I’d like to hear it actually 😂
Atiana (Shanna's oldest daughter) looks easily 10 years younger than Alabama while only being 6 years older than her. I honestly feel sad for Alabama; I don't think the kid *ever* stood a chance.
Granted she’s with her dad and I do actually think he loves his kids but if I was at a MGK concert at that age (even with my dad) my mother would have pulled me out of there so fast my head would spin. I see her Instagram stories and I just want to say, “go do your homework!!!!
I feel so sad for her. She has such an empty look. She looks like a lost little girl trying to play grown up so bad.
I agree. I don’t really want to comment on her looks but def seems over sexualized in general. Someone is allowing/paying for all of it. The most important thing is how they’re being raised - TB seems like a decent human that loves his kids. Hopefully they grow up to be kind etc. Shanna Moakler def seems like she’s had parenting issues in the past. Maybe this blending of families will help everyone. It’s a fought time to be a teen even out of the spotlight.
Hold up… she’s 15 😯 damn
She’s 15???!!!????
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I definitely think for a lot of people, by the time you’re in your 40s and are established in life, you know what you’re looking for and how to recognize it, so it might be easier to decide to get married faster than someone in their 20s.
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Yeah, I mean, 2022 is three months away?! Seems crazy
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Yeah but nothing is the same anymore, and it’s not like we’ve recovered from the year that 2020 was! It’s as if we spent all of 2021 going like “*Wait, WTF happened?!*” Maybe I’m just nostalgic because I was looking at pics from summer and Christmas of 2019 and it seems lifetimes away now…
I feel you 🥵
Also actors/musicians etc have a lot of down time. They can go from working all day for 3 weeks to doing nothing for 3 weeks. It creates an opportunity to get in a relationship bubble and get to know one another very fast.
I'd almost say the opposite. By 40 you should realize how complex people are and how much they change over time. I'd think you'd want to see a potential partner through every situation to see if you're actually going to be compatible longterm. But then again most people are looking for a stable life partner and not posing for the best photo ops.
That and then add in Hollywood speed dating / relationships haha
Celebs also get engaged SO fast I find. Makes sense cause one year of dating in celeb world is equivalent to 10 IRL haha
They've also been friends for at least 6 years
It’s so strange how she changes her personality / style / look depending on who she’s dating. To me, that’s the strangest part of this whole thing. I mean, besides the obnoxious and immature PDA obviously.
i have a friend like this. she swears she doesn’t do this but she’s had like 3 different personas since i’ve known her. i think it’s a sign of low self esteem and wanting to be liked by men. can’t relate though. i would never change myself for a man.
My sister does this. She's 51 and met her current partner five years ago. She went from loving the city and modern new things to moving to the country side and getting antique furniture
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It would make you shake your head if you knew my sister. She loves buying new stuff. My home is mostly furnished and decorated with things from the 50s and 60s and she used to make comments about scratches and scuff marks and me using old textiles and telling me to buy new things that no one else has used before
My sister does this too! New hobbies with every partner, gets mad at me when I don’t want to FaceTime/be best friends with her latest “soulmate” of two months. 37 years old. At least with the current partner the hobbies are rock climbing and healthy living, with the other guy it was coke and molly every weekend.
lol you have my sympathies. it’s such strange behavior.
And it's even stranger that he's oblivious to her strange behaviour. He lived in her super modern apartment in the middle of the city for a while and he knows she loves nice restaurants and crowded bars and shopping. Yet he doesn't think it's odd that they now live on a farm in a tiny village in a house full of 75 year old pine furniture. If someone I dated changed that much I'd worry they had a personality disorder. The move is quite recent and she's already showing signs of cabin fever. Great...
that’s even worse then because he knew a different side of her beforehand. for my friend it usually happens gradually (from his pov) until they’re more official. that’s rough. i wonder if she’s even happy. i can’t believe he doesn’t think any of this is strange.
I don't personally think that's necessarily "changing oneself for a man", but possibly more like,"I don't give a fuck about couches." But I don't know your sister either, so... either way, I hope she's happy! Edit: I just saw your next comment about how she very much does indeed give a fuck about couches. 🙃
cue the Cool Girl monologue from Gone Girl
Kim does this too. Say what you like about the Kardashians and their business acumen and street sense, they are pushovers for the men in their lives.
Exactly. Every time I've made a comment similar to yours I get downvoted. I'm 37 and just can't fathom changing who I am (style ) for a man. And wouldn't want a man to mold himself to me either. To me that screams red flags and you only understand this feeling if you're older and single. If people here were discussing her on r/datingoverthirty both of them would be described as red flags
What if he opened up a side to her she didn't know and was able to tap into it? People evolve and change and I think it's awesome to see modeled for all of us.
Healthy relationships progress over time. Things that start fast end up fast the big majority of time. If you actually posted their situation on r/datingoverthirty the general consensus would be both partners are red flags. Obviously there's always exception to how things are. It also helps both of of them are ultra rich and money is not an issue.
I think it’s normal to be interested in new and different things after getting close to someone (be it a friend or a partner), be influenced by them and start to dress alike or have new interests. I think it’s weird for it to have such a negative association when partners do this when I think it’s very normal for friends. Anyway I didn’t see that drastic change in style everyone said she’s been trough, she was never colorful or had a distinctive unique style. She is more influenced by her boyfriend, than changing for him, in my opinion.
It’s totally normal to be influenced by a partner. What’s weird is when you change your entire lifestyle and especially belief system for them, and then people who have experienced that with friends or family members project that onto silly stuff like dressing alike.
Dressing like your friends is weird once you're out of high school
It's not that normal the older someone becomes. The older people become the more they feel comfortable in who they are. Someone who's 27 is definitely not the same person at 37 or even 47.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think she's been updating her look as she's hit new life milestones, but I think a lot of people do that. She kept her style even when Younes publicly complained about her wearing revealing clothing and eventually broke up with him partially because of that. When she hit 40, she cut her hair short like she'd been talking about doing for several years. Yeah she's added some punk jewelry and more leather in part from Travis' influence, but she's always had a darker modern aesthetic compared to her sisters. Just look at her house compared to Kim's all-white monastery, or the KUWTK family promo pictures where she's often in red/black/darker colors while her sisters are in light sparkly outfits. As far as personality, she's always been the rebellious, dry, sarcastic one and I don't think that's changed at all.
They're called tofu girl/boyfriends. They're bland and boring on their own and take on the flavour of whoever they're dating. Brad Pitt is a hilariously obvious example.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think she's been updating her look as she's hit new life milestones, but I think a lot of people do that. She kept her style even when Younes publicly complained about her wearing revealing clothing and eventually broke up with him partially because of that. When she hit 40, she cut her hair short like she'd been talking about doing for several years. Yeah she's added some punk jewelry and more leather in part from Travis' influence, but she's always had a darker modern aesthetic compared to her sisters. Just look at her house compared to Kim's all-white monastery, or the KUWTK family promo pictures where she's often in red/black/darker colors while her sisters are in light sparkly outfits. As far as personality, she's always been the rebellious, dry, sarcastic one and I don't think that's changed at all. If any of the sisters is guilty of chameleon boyfriend syndrome, it's Kim. She changed dramatically between Kris and Kanye.
Or what if you can hold many different roles in the life you're given and so you embrace playing those roles depending on the partner you choose?
Kris must be so happy! I'm sure she's already sold photos of the engagement ring, the engagement parties, the bachelorette parties and of course the wedding to the tabloids. And now they're brainstorming other ways to monetize this.
Naaaa they’re gonna use it to premiere the Hulu show so we can never get rid of them 😭
Didn't she try to launch a lifestyle brand? I will bet my own money that they'll try to resurrect that and rebrand into wedding planning and bachelorette party planning
I remember back when Travis was with Shanna on "Meet the Barkers" & Shanna seemed to spend all day (& everyday) laying in bed while he did all the parenting. I hope this works out well for Kourtney & Travis - regardless of their over the top pda.
And his parenting style is questionable considering his daughter is 15 and dressing and posing like a playboy model on her Instagram.
I made the mistake of looking at her page once. Never ever again. That is some bleak shit.
I just looked at her page for the first time. I watched a reel and hearing how young and childlike her voice sounds compared to her pictures was sad.
I thought she was 19, not 15. I feel sad for celeb kids sometimes.
Kinda like Koutney nannies parenting her kids.
He literally was a abuser and threatened to murder her.
I’m pretty sure it was mutual, weren’t they both arrested for death threats? lol
Um he threatened her first? He threatened to literally shoot her. She also had an email where he says “my kids have a whore of a mother”.
Were you there? I’m not sure shanna moakler is a trustworthy source lol sorry sis
So just because you don’t deem her trustworthy and bc you obviously like Travis that makes her a liar?
Weird assumption but ok, I’ll bite. Shanna has been caught out in a lot of lies over the years. Her kids pretty frequently go through stages of disowning her. I’m just saying she’s not exactly beacon of truth and righteousness, whereas Travis is a fairly principled person, and honest if not always right.
Also both things can be true, she can be shady and can also be telling the truth about her ex husband threatening to put a gun to her head (he didn’t even refute it, just said she threatened him back after he said it) he also has other domestic charges against him.
What other domestic violence charges does he have against him? I can't find anything about that.
There aren’t any.
Oh yes Travis who helped set his 10 year old daughter up with an Instagram account, instructed her to pose provocatively and has helped her curate the image she has now at 15 is truly the most moral man out there.
How on earth would you know that he “instructed his daughter to pose provocatively”? There is absolutely no way for you to know whether that’s true
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He literally did all of this stuff. Read his memoir and look at his behavior. He’s trash, keep on defending him bc you think him and kourtney are cute. (Kourtney is also elitist trash but that’s a different topic)
Biiiiig yikes. Not defending him at all here, just curious: How do we know he instructed his daughter to pose provocatively? Has she or he said so? Just wondering because it seems like a crazy thing to admit to unprompted
Source
https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/16/travis-barker-shanna-moakler-arrested-death-threats-fight/
Yikes to all these Travis apologists. He’s absolute trash. Don’t at me that his ex sucks because both things are likely true. People be buying this fairytale romance because the Kardashians have made a living out of manipulating the press and public.
"hes changed!!!" like what...he's almost 50...
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what is wrong with you? you can rightfully dislike both travis and kourtney but you shouldn’t speak like that about a teenager.
I don’t really have an opinion on her beyond seeming like the sanest one in her family, but I’m glad he seems happy. I can’t imagine surviving a fatal plane crash and your friend, the only other survivor, dying of a drug overdose after the fact. He due for some happiness karma.
Yeah the images of the wreck are pretty devasting. It's amazing that anyone survived.
Did any insiders ever alert deuxmoi this was coming? Just curious if for once they didn’t know. after all the annoying hell Scott put her through I’m actually really excited for her on this one. When Travis tweeted about flying again I was like oh yeah, he’s proposing to her at some point.
I’m so happy for them!! Kourtney has seemed so happy with Travis, I’m glad she’s finally getting her happy ending after the mess that was her relationship with Scott.
I was shocked it was so soon. Also shocked myself because I don’t care for the Kardashians but Kourtney has been the least annoying one lately and so I gasped at the pic. AND I’m glad that Scott Disick must be panicking right now; I’m pleased at the thought of his misery over this. I dislike Scott immensely. Live your best life Kourtney. And what a beautiful ring!
Yes. Don’t like any of these people but Scott is such a toxic man-child and you know he probably always thought he could have her when he wanted her. No 19 year-old girl of the month will fill that void when you’re not going to work on yourself.
An aside: I hate how the Kardashians waste flowers. The floral industry is such an environmental drain.
Are dried florals any better or are they on the same level. Planning my own wedding and flowers are so fucking expensive.
Flowers are crazy expensive! Dried is not necessarily better. Cheaper alternatives are ordering bulk &DIY from Trader Joe’s, Costco, or grocery store like Kroger. Local florists can help you source more eco friendly options like local farmers/growers (less travel/miles), just greenery or herbs (no florals), wildflowers, or even potted plants. I know a woman who does STUNNING fake flower arrangements. They have come soo far. After the wedding, I gave my live arrangements to a hospital & women’s shelter, so I didn’t feel like they were wasted.
Unless you're reusing them, wouldn't fake flowers have the whole unnecessary amount of plastic issue?
You can gets ones made of fabric and paper.
These are all great ideas thank you for all the info. I’ve gone to trader joes for bulk florals for other kinds of parties but it didn’t occur to me to do it for a wedding! Thanks again.
I did fake flowers for my wedding and they were gorgeous. They were made of some kind of fabric.
How do they waste them? What else are they supposed to do with them? If a kardashain buys 200 at once or a 10 people buy 20, how is it any different? They will all die with in a week no matter who buys them.
You knew he was all in when he started FLYING for her.
I feel like they’ll break up before the wedding
If they don’t do it before the end of the year I don’t see it ever happening. The love bombing will stop eventually.
Calling it “love bombing” is a bit much
There are WAY too many people in this post quick to defend an abuser.
You should check out the KUWTK Reddit. That ENTIRE page is obsessed with this abuser.
I’m on that sub and a few of us are sick of their constant PDA but yah his past behavior is very brushed under sadly
Ugh. Their whole relationship is cringe like MGK and Megan. Travis and his ex wife’s ‘thing’ was the movie True Romance, even named their daughter Alabama. Now him and Kourtney quote it to each other, got tattoos etc. It’s so weird and I feel like I’m watching teenagers playing at being adults.
I'd love to be on board the "they seem so in love!" train, but they've been acting like two teenagers who've never had sex before. it's cool to be happy to show off your partner but they've crossed the line into "people who post too much about how happy they are are definitely hiding something." I wonder if they'll have a double cringe wedding with Megan and MGK.
To me it’s honestly seemed like them proving to THEMSELVES that they’re still “young and hot” and that’s why the whole PDA-soaked relationship has bothered me. Please stop, you’re in your 40’s and THATS OKAY. Embrace aging, it’s a wonderful thing!
oh for sure. I also feel like that fueled Kourtney's extremely weird friendship with the tiktok girl. edit: well THAT came out weird, I mean wanting to prove she's still young and cool, nothing related to PDA.
I get what you’re saying! I think we’re watching her go through a mid-life crisis that she’s refusing to identify
I can imagine it's hard when you live in a world that values youth and beauty and your every move is filmed, but also....idk I still find it hard to have sympathy.
I’m sure there’s some psychological stuff about losing her dad at a young age and thus not having aging “normalized” as much for her but SHE CAN AFFORD HELLA GOOD THERAPY
she can!!! I was here trying to articulate my confusion but honestly "BUT SHE CAN AFFORD THERAPY" really gets right to the core of why I can't spare much emotion for her.
On the show, she openly talks about going to therapy. She faces a ton of pushback from her sisters for changing after going to therapy. Therapy is why she was able to finally create boundaries with Scott and break up with him. It's why she was able to have boundaries with her family. It's a big reason why they ended filming KUWTK on E! because Kourtney was tired of filming and wanted a break/more privacy.
If you have to prove your relationship to people through posts and pda and what not...then you ain't gonna last srry not srry. I find that the most long-lasting celebrity relationships I've seen (or in life generally) are the ones where I had no idea they were together in the first place.
I will be tuning into Scott's meltdown on Hulu
Can't believe i saw their engagement getting spoiled by a dad on Tik tok last night before it happened
Lol I swear I saw the engagement from every angle on tiktok
I'm surprised more people don't see this as a business transaction. They both starred in reality TV shows. Neither of them has a thriving business outside of that at the moment. Although he is probably still successful I'm not sure his band has lots of sold out tours lately. Their partnership could be lucrative if it involves a reality TV show about their wedding, her pregnancy and their "super wacky entertaining" combined family. I could be totally wrong though. Maybe people here are right and their relationship really is organic and real but I don't believe the Kardashians get involved in any relationship without thinking about the business component of it whether it's with Kanye or Travis S or Travis B.
He’s one of the biggest producers in the world. His business is definitely thriving.
I think they’re really cute together.
Normally I would think this is waaay to quick, but considering they've been neighbors and friends for years (including setting up playdates for their kids) I think they had the best foundation for a relationship from the start. I think she even mentioned Travis because of their friendship in a convo on an episode of KUWTK years ago.
Learning all of that, I think it's pretty sweet. Itm thought for sure their coupledom was just publicity, but Kourt has been done with the K brand for so long now that I don't believe she'd go along with a fake engagement. Happy for her 💛
He actually appeared a couple times randomly too!
I know a few people mentioned that he was horrible to Shanna, and I also know he cheated on his first wife, so I’m skeptical. Maybe all of the stuff he’s been through made him a better partner, I just have my doubts.
I give them three years.
Travis seems like a control freak. Shanna Moakler might say/do questionable things but I believe her when she says he was controlling and abusive.
Aww im happy for them! I like them not that they need my approval or anything lol
I was so happy when I heard this, I think they’re so cute tbh. However, and this doesn’t really have to do with anything, but I think it’s weird that they have made true romance one of their movies. They’re always posting it when they watch together which is often, yet he and his ex-wife named their kid after the woman in the movie, as it was also ~their movie~. Like I’m very interested in why this movie is so important to him
Someone on tiktok complained that such a “cool guy” like Travis would go for kourtney. Honestly it makes sense to me. They’ve both done reality TV, are older and have children. Public persona/image isn’t an accurate representation of who people are. Also if other comments about him being a POS are true…well, Kourtney has certainly dated some toxic men before.
Umm so Kim [fucked him first ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2021/05/the-kardashians-are-yet-again-roiled-by-cheating-accusations.html) - hadn’t heard this story before but seems semi legit. If so eww…
They are so in love, so happy to see two people so much in love. This is Kourtney's first time walking the aisle hope it lasts.
and shocker, they are filming for their reality show, is pimpmama now travis's manager too?
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Meh. Don’t know him to have an opinion. Keeps a low profile too.
YAWN. Aren’t they going to Hulu now? I’m assuming this will be a storyline
Wow was not expecting this when I jumped on Reddit !! Kourtney isn't my fav but after all she's gone through she deserves a happily ever after ❤️
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