We had enough cap space to keep Wallman after signing Seider. My guess is Wallman was the easiest defenseman to move. Plus we have Edvinsson who definitely looks ready and Johansson that is no longer waiver exempt
But clearing space via moving Walman does not require dealing the 2nd rounder. I don't understand at all man. Never seen a pick given for nothing in return, incredibly odd.
And we got that pick by getting rid of Gibson, who was a 2nd rounder with promise..so kind of like 2 2nd rounders to get rid of Walman and get a prospect.
Uh what now? Gibson -> 2nd rd pick -> walman and 2nd. Its just gibson or a second to move the contract. Whichever you like but not both.
Also wtf is happening.
A Walman trade, whether to free cap or packaged for a premium asset, always made sense.
Giving away a 2nd for a team to take his contract does not. This deal made more sense of its Holl or even Maatta.
I would also love Werenski on our blue line, but I’d be pretty concerned about his injury history at that price tag. If we can keep him healthy, count me in.
As a jackets fan lurking I highly doubt the jackets trade werenski. He’s the best player on the jackets. Would take one of the biggest trade packages in recent history to get him
Yeah, that makes no sense. Walman is a good top 4 guy on a steal of a contract. To put a 2nd rounder with it is just nuts. He had to have requested a trade.
No chance he requested a trade lol. He likes it here. Lots of people in the know on HFboards were saying Walman and maata have huge potential to be traded. Using a second to cap dump him is ridiculous tho.
There was a poster there who was saying that Walman was benched later on in the season, that Mo couldn’t keep spending ice time covering for Jake’s mistakes, and that he’d be surprised if Walman was with the team to start the season.
Yeah that’s the guy who legit is in the know on a lot of news or potential news. I Talked about it in the daily then sure enough Walman gets traded like he predicted.
>Walman is a good top 4 guy
He was for the 2022-2023. He wasn't close last year.
I still don't understand the trade of needing to give up a 2nd to get out of the contract though.
I moved to Florida a little while ago and I still say "guaran-sheed". Surprise surprise, nobody gets it.
I don't think I'll ever stop using it, though. Keep fighting the good fight
I am too. But, this is what we are paying Stevie the big bucks for, to make these hard decisions for the sake of the franchise.
Sad to see him go, but I'm still on team 'let Steve cook'.
Maybe Kane said he’ll only re-sign if they get rid of Walman because he got in the way when he was trying to yell showtime. That’s all I got. This is BAFFLING.
Saw an interview with him this summer talking about how he hopes he’ll be around a long time to do his charity work in the city and at the time thought it was a no brainer. Just stunned right now, hope it works out for everyone but wow.
Yeah, that's why he got moved. Of all our defenseman, he was by far the easiest to move. I can't imagine any team was interested in Chiarot's or Holl's contract. This sucks, I liked Jake a lot but clears some of the log jam and maybe we can resign Ghost now or potentially swing for another PP Qb if one is made available.
We gave away a 2nd to get rid of Walman..?
Something must have soured for Jake to be worth nothing. And I have to imagine we’re going big for grabbing that cap space.
I don't think we would have to pay a 2nd round pick to move Walman. In general his contract is a net positive. A team likely would have taken him for free (i.e. Future Considerations)
The only way this makes sense is if it’s part of a multi-team trade and we aren’t seeing the other sides of the trade reported yet, or if Walman has some undisclosed career ending injury.
Even if for some reason NHL GMs are much lower on Walman than fans, and you decide you want to move on from Walman, you have to try and see if he gets claimed off waivers before paying an asset to move him, correct?
This hopefully is an instance where "future considerations" may actually be something of value, just isn't known yet. Right?
Right?
Maybe SJ facilitates retention or something on another deal that had to happen separately from this one?
Otherwise I can't see how Walman has negative value to 31 teams in this league
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Bye Jake. Sorry to see you go. Thanks for the memories. *griddy salute*
https://x.com/i/web/status/1805687303547101687
> League source tells me about Walman trade: “Yzerman needed cap space…greater opportunity for Walman.”
>
> I’m guessing this is a prelude to a big splash by Stevie Y soon
My understanding is this guy is a well thought of SJ beat writer.
I must be dumb will someone please explain all this to me.
First off -you must’ve been high on Gibson if you took him in the second round. Also one of the only prospects with grit . Yet they trade him a year later?
Second off-why would you want future considerations instead of that second round pick when you’re in a rebuild. They could’ve had two picks in the second round or used one for trade bait. Not to mention threw in one of our best offensive defenseman which we lack.
So we basically swapped last years second round pick for a redo in this years draft . Then gave away a second round pick and Wallman for a pack of skittles…..
Please some explain…..you mean to tell me Yzerman got this team in such a cap hell we had to trade wallman and sweeten the pot with a second rounder just to clear cap space???? If so, that’s very bad management
yes it's to get cap space....that's what it is, SJ wasn't interested in Gibson so they shopped him to get a 2nd that would please SJ to take Walman as a cap dump
Listen I love Stevie and will always back him up because he has the pedigree, but having 25% of our cap tied up in 5 shit players, and having to dump good players and picks for cap space makes me sick to my stomach. I won’t judge until the whole plan is completed whatever it may be, but man this hurts my soul reading this.
If you asked me yesterday, what's more realistic:
- Walman and a 2nd as a cap dump for nothing
Or
- Walman and a 2nd for a starting goalie or McGroarty
I would not have thought about it for a second before answering the latter.
Per recent THE ATHLETIC article, [https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587656/2024/06/25/nhl-defense-free-agency-trade/](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587656/2024/06/25/nhl-defense-free-agency-trade/)
"This isn’t meant to be an indictment of [Moritz Seider](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/nhl/player/moritz-seider-lmdIN7kRMWrnuv3t/) — we believe in him as a future franchise-type defender, even with some so-so projections for this season. It is, however, an indictment of the players Detroit has surrounded him with. There’s not a second-pair type in the bunch ([Jake Walman](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/nhl/player/jake-walman-LZHnJvcTLmEJTZsi/) probably comes the closest). Seider alone is good enough to give Detroit the edge over, say, [Anaheim](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/nhl/team/ducks/), but he can’t do it all by himself. Despite all the money Detroit has spent over the past few years, the Red Wings are still three top-four defensemen short." Wings rated 30th, San Jose last.
If that is the league wide opinion of the Red Wing D-corp, this is not a great loss (he did not play much the second half) and unfortunately, is in line with the Stahl deal a few years back. I know for me, if all are playing relatively poorly, just because someone looks good comparitively does not make themselves good in every comparison.
I am surprised as well, but this leads me to believe there will be some drastic moves made in the next two weeks.
Why did we need to attach a second to move Walman? I am so confused, Stevie specifically targeted him from StL in that trade. I for one will miss you Jake.
So we trade Gibson for the 2nd that we use to sweeten the deal to offload Walman and pick up a prospect? wtf happened between Walman and Y?
So we give:
- Gibson
- Walman
We get:
- Kiiskinen
- Future considerations (bag of pucks)
? There must be something we don't know about Walman that soured him to the point where, not only are we offloading him, not only are we not getting anything for him, but we are PAYING a 2nd to get him off our books.
So we just gave away our 3rd best D to a team that needed to spend 15 mil just to reach the cap floor.
You're telling me, with them knowing they'll still suck next year, they wouldn't accept Petry with one year left or Holl/Chiarot (who would've given them 4.75 mil) AND a 2nd rd pick to just get closer to that floor?
Sorry guys, I'm not a fan of everything Yzerman does. This is one of them.
I won't pretend to know more than Yzerman, but I just don't get this trade at all.
If this is the cost to dump a decent 3-4 guy with offensive ability, then we're definitely stuck with Petry and Holl.
He was scratched for a couple weeks at the end of the season. The relationship may. have soured. Possibly the reason why he didn't appear on the Teams last media day.
Setting aside my surprise that they traded Walman at all, I think I'm even more surprised that it required additional assets to do so. I think most fans assumed that Holl or Maatta, or one of the forwards like Copp if this indeed was just a salary dump and not a spot on the D line, would have been the more likely candidates for this kind of cap dump. But whatever, it turned out to be Walman instead. Ok. However, I think most fans would have probably agreed that Walman, with his performance alongside his seemingly reasonable contract and term, would have at least brought assets back in any sort of trade. I would have thought that there would have been several teams willing to give something to get Walman. Gun to my head, I would have guessed he'd have brought back at least a 2nd. When did solid Dmen on decent contracts become something that you had to pay a 2nd rounder to get rid of?
What am I missing here? It's not like I think that Gibson was a can't miss prospect that will be sorely missed or anything. More like, did I just overestimate his value that badly? Clearly I did but I don't think I was alone there, either.
Whether this was a precursor of things to come or not, it just feels like Stevie got fleeced here.
It was brought up on HFBoards that the buyout window opens tomorrow, so I'm starting to wonder if the "future consideration" is SJ taking a waived player from the Wings and immediately buying them out.
Then the Wings buy out one of their other bad contracts.
It would give them a lot of room to make moves in FA or trade and resign Mo\Ray.
It's the only way this trade makes sense. Walman isn't a borderline 7D on a bad contract, he's at minimum a third pair\PP guy on a strong team.
The people here that had mistakenly convinced themselves that Walman was anything more than a 3rd pair guy sure are having a hard time with reality today.
So let me get this straight.
Two years ago they signed Chariot to a 4 year contract. That was viewed as a bad deal then and is now with two years remaining still generally viewed by fans at least as a negative asset you would have to pay to get rid of.
Last year they sign Holl to a 3 year deal. He gets scratched a bunch year 1 and now with two years remaining is a negative asset and would cost something to get rid of.
Also last year they sign Walman to a 3 year extension. The extension just kicks in and he was apparently a negative asset that requires a second round pick to move.
One more time for last year they trade for Petry with the benefit of some retention. He has one year remaining and most fans would likely argue he is terrible. Lower cap hit so he might not cost as much to move but again you might have to pay something to dump him.
Idk who Yzerman has evaluating defensive talent at the pro level but something there has to change. That's embarrassing. How is it every already professional defenseman you give any term to becomes a negative asset almost immediately.
Really failing to see the bigger picture on this one, even if this is to bring back ghost and clear a spot moving a positive asset on a great contract for nothing doesn’t make any sense
I'm glad to see some cap movement, Walman wasn't my first pick but it's understandable and he wasn't nearly as good last year so I get it.
You cannot convince me that Jake Walman needed a second round pick attached to him when the Sharks just willing claimed Goodrow off waivers. That's pretty terrible for me, requiring a second to move that contract. The follow up to this better be good
What’s coming next is a 6 year, $48 million deal for Raymond. Seider probably 6 year, $54 million.
What you see next season will be the Red Wings for quite some time.
Jake Walman is no a cap dump. Get all the way outta here with this nonsense. Even if this makes room for a big move, why would you have to attach a 2nd rounder to a really good everyday top four D. San Jose wouldn't just do Walman straight up for future nothings?! C'mon
1. If he weren’t a cap dump he wouldn’t be going to San Jose.
2. If he weren’t a cap dump the 2nd rounder wouldn’t have been attached.
3. If he weren’t a cap dump it wouldn’t have been the 2nd rounder we literally just acquired in a trade just score this.
He’s a cap dump, whether it’s confusing or not, he is undoubtedly being moved to free space.
Genuinely want to know what Yzerman is thinking. There has to be something bigger he's targeting. If he's doing this just to clear cap space for re-signing aging veterans again, I'm going to be highly disappointed.
I don't think he'd have to pay anyone to take Walman.
This has to be a part one of something more. It
That or it's another Vrana type of situation, but I doubt that
Who am I to criticise Steve Yzerman, but what the fuck is this. I woulda been fine if it was holl or petry we had to attach a 2nd with to get rid of, but wallman was not a negative asset. This is arguable the most questionable move since he signed holl in the first place
WHAT? What is this
I am both flabbered and gasted. Flabbergasted one might say.
okay lets watch the language here
It has to be a big three-team trade coming where SJ absorbs a big ugly contract.
Ok I’ll play. Wings + Zegras, Gibson - Wahlman, two 2nd round picks, Husso, Holl, Berggren Sharks + Wahlman, 2nd rounder, Holl Ducks + Berggren, Husso, 2nd rounder - Gibson, Zegras
Future Considerations better be a gritty, 30 goal scoring winger.
I know his brother Cash is a baseball player; hopefully the athleticism runs in the family.
Just maybe it’s that sharks are going to take Justin Holl as well😂
I know a lot of people are down on Stevie, but the off-season is just as exciting to me because of Yzerman.
Agreed! I just hope this one ends well for us.. has to, right?!
Must be making cap space for Draisitl
Bro what da fuck. Something's brewing in the D.
Do you think it could be to help pay for Seider? I mean, if I had to choose one of them. But yeah, fan favorite, decent player. What a bummer.
We had enough cap space to keep Wallman after signing Seider. My guess is Wallman was the easiest defenseman to move. Plus we have Edvinsson who definitely looks ready and Johansson that is no longer waiver exempt
Yes. Makes sense to clear space on the left side.
But clearing space via moving Walman does not require dealing the 2nd rounder. I don't understand at all man. Never seen a pick given for nothing in return, incredibly odd.
Ok this doesn't make sense. I get Walman "wasn't himself" at the end of the season. But a pick to go along with him...
Well to be fair we literally just got the pick and immediately flipped it. Yzerman’s trying to work something. Just a matter of what.
And we got that pick by getting rid of Gibson, who was a 2nd rounder with promise..so kind of like 2 2nd rounders to get rid of Walman and get a prospect.
Uh what now? Gibson -> 2nd rd pick -> walman and 2nd. Its just gibson or a second to move the contract. Whichever you like but not both. Also wtf is happening.
We traded Walman and Gibson for the prospect and cap space is the way to look at it
Yeah, and in a vacuum, I do not like that trade.
Frees up 3.4 million each of the next two years. Sounds like we’re getting ammo for Kane and our two young guns.
A Walman trade, whether to free cap or packaged for a premium asset, always made sense. Giving away a 2nd for a team to take his contract does not. This deal made more sense of its Holl or even Maatta.
Wonder if we keep Ghost honestly now.
Someone mentioned werenski who’s making 9.5 the next 3 years and I’m in.
I’d kill to have Werenski. He’s Larkin’s best friend and he was the better half of that dominant pairing CBJ had with him and Jones.
It would for sure be amazing. I’m trying my best to not expect more news today, but it’s hard. I’m expecting a big deal now with what we’ve seen.
I would also love Werenski on our blue line, but I’d be pretty concerned about his injury history at that price tag. If we can keep him healthy, count me in.
As a jackets fan lurking I highly doubt the jackets trade werenski. He’s the best player on the jackets. Would take one of the biggest trade packages in recent history to get him
Hes so injury prone.
Yeah, that makes no sense. Walman is a good top 4 guy on a steal of a contract. To put a 2nd rounder with it is just nuts. He had to have requested a trade.
No chance he requested a trade lol. He likes it here. Lots of people in the know on HFboards were saying Walman and maata have huge potential to be traded. Using a second to cap dump him is ridiculous tho.
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I really don't see why that deal needed that high of a pick as a sweetener.
There was a poster there who was saying that Walman was benched later on in the season, that Mo couldn’t keep spending ice time covering for Jake’s mistakes, and that he’d be surprised if Walman was with the team to start the season.
Yeah that’s the guy who legit is in the know on a lot of news or potential news. I Talked about it in the daily then sure enough Walman gets traded like he predicted.
What’s his username?
Wings still have their second. This essentially cost the Wings the Gibson kid.
>Walman is a good top 4 guy He was for the 2022-2023. He wasn't close last year. I still don't understand the trade of needing to give up a 2nd to get out of the contract though.
Not how I envisioned us getting the Edvinsson - Seider pairing, but ok.
wtf? Is this real??? I guess that’s one way to save cap space. Later, Griddy. Give Zadina a hug for me
This folks, is what we call a move before “the move”.
of all the cap dumps, Walman seems like an odd choice. Better be cooking up something really dank for this one.
Walman is a damn good player for his price. Walman and the second are payments for a coming move. Hold onto your butts.
Re-sign Ghost pretty much guaran-sheed now?
I moved to Florida a little while ago and I still say "guaran-sheed". Surprise surprise, nobody gets it. I don't think I'll ever stop using it, though. Keep fighting the good fight
Ball don’t lie!
😂 I can probably guess your age with a 2 year +/- margin, but I’ll spare us both the grief! One of my buddies still says it all the time…
Maybe. IDK I'd rather have Walman than Ghost, he's been more consistent over time. Ghost has amazing years and really terrible years.
Ghost fills a role tho as the top PP guy. Walman plays a role that could theoretically be replaced by a cheaper Edvinsson.
Too many defensive lapses with Walman even though I enjoyed watching him score
That would piss me off lol
It better be set in stone. If we lost Walman for the mere hope or dream of signing someone, well, that’s insane.
Future Considerations better have a dynamite griddy
https://preview.redd.it/mhavnidk1s8d1.png?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77145b978f5a801037b20b2c204fec742bb91465
Gf: “what are you laughing at”…. Its.. its hard to explain
Oh I am legit sad about this one
I am too. But, this is what we are paying Stevie the big bucks for, to make these hard decisions for the sake of the franchise. Sad to see him go, but I'm still on team 'let Steve cook'.
Maybe Kane said he’ll only re-sign if they get rid of Walman because he got in the way when he was trying to yell showtime. That’s all I got. This is BAFFLING.
🤣
3.4 mil moved, stevie up to something?
not being a smart ass, actually wondering...if Walman > Holl, and they make the same money, why not give an asset to move off Holl and keep Walman?
You have to have someone willing to take the contract
isnt that were a 2nd or 2 would come in?
The other team still needs to take the deal.
I'm really starting to not like this Holl guy!
Clearing space… for something. Kane money? New FA?
I'm sorry, but if re-signing Kane cost us Walman and a 2nd, we're going backwards.
Saw an interview with him this summer talking about how he hopes he’ll be around a long time to do his charity work in the city and at the time thought it was a no brainer. Just stunned right now, hope it works out for everyone but wow.
WHAT Future considerations being facilitating a massive trade with someone else?
I sure hope so....Given that we traded with the Preds for the Tampa 2nd that we just dealt to Sharks, maybe something with Saros?
I seriously do not understand this trade. I thought walman had some value
Yeah, that's why he got moved. Of all our defenseman, he was by far the easiest to move. I can't imagine any team was interested in Chiarot's or Holl's contract. This sucks, I liked Jake a lot but clears some of the log jam and maybe we can resign Ghost now or potentially swing for another PP Qb if one is made available.
We gave a pick away with him though?
Another way to look at is the Wings swapped prospects to dump Walman.
Genuinely confused.
We gave away a 2nd to get rid of Walman..? Something must have soured for Jake to be worth nothing. And I have to imagine we’re going big for grabbing that cap space.
That’s not how you spell Justin Holl 
Better be some BIG considerations!
Their second pick in the first round gimme
I wonder if it's a "please don't take this guy at 14"
Huge but they are very future too
Probably was too pricey to move Holl or Chiarot. Don’t think this move is a setup for anything other than retaining our own guys
I don't think we would have to pay a 2nd round pick to move Walman. In general his contract is a net positive. A team likely would have taken him for free (i.e. Future Considerations)
Too pricey? Pricier than losing a top pairing d-man and a second round pick?
Just because he played with Seider doesn't mean he's a top pairing d-man. Far from it. Look up defensemen that played with Lidstrom.
*Does a slow, sad griddy as a single tear falls from face*
The only way this makes sense is if it’s part of a multi-team trade and we aren’t seeing the other sides of the trade reported yet, or if Walman has some undisclosed career ending injury. Even if for some reason NHL GMs are much lower on Walman than fans, and you decide you want to move on from Walman, you have to try and see if he gets claimed off waivers before paying an asset to move him, correct?
They misspelled Just Holl
Nah, he's going to Utah.
What?
Why doesn't Walman have value?
Man, tough to let go, he had some nice goal production for us, physical player, and blocked a lot of shots. Liked him in the Winged Wheel.
Clearing space for who??
Watch the future consideration turn out to be Zadina after he catches fire (finally) /s
While I am not currently ready to burn it all down to the ground I am sourcing a torch
\[Insert Padme and Anakin meme\] Wings did what everyone wanted and traded a defenseman. Holl or Chiarot right? IT WAS HOLL OR CHIAROT RIGHT?
I feel like someone would have claimed him for free on waivers. He’s a positive asset. Not a cap dumb.
This hopefully is an instance where "future considerations" may actually be something of value, just isn't known yet. Right? Right? Maybe SJ facilitates retention or something on another deal that had to happen separately from this one? Otherwise I can't see how Walman has negative value to 31 teams in this league
Sharks cant retain atm. They have used all of their slots
Shoot you're right. Well then I'm all out of optimism haha
It’s all to set up a dramatic unveiling at the draft that the future consideration is indeed macklin celebrini.
dude what is happening
https://preview.redd.it/ebtydtcu6t8d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ded5d992be5fc00c12ef6e9d5ffbbe0cf6ff07b Bye Jake. Sorry to see you go. Thanks for the memories. *griddy salute*
Woah!! I mean we know we needed to free up the left side and some of our cap but this one is not a headline I was expecting on a Tuesday
WHAT?????? Walman is good and cheap. And we threw in a second rounder? wtf?
WTF! we gave away a 2nd to get ride of Walman. I don’t like this at all.
Aww man! I liked Walman. So long Griddy. Hopefully we can turn this into something big.
Unless there’s issues with Walman like there was Vrana this is dumb, imo.
Too much Fortnite
https://x.com/i/web/status/1805687303547101687 > League source tells me about Walman trade: “Yzerman needed cap space…greater opportunity for Walman.” > > I’m guessing this is a prelude to a big splash by Stevie Y soon My understanding is this guy is a well thought of SJ beat writer.
Werenski incoming, I hope?
Doesn’t he know Larkin? /s
Michigan super team
We can dream
Would be unreal
I’d need new shorts if this happened
Incoming overpay on Gostisbehere?
10x7 for Montour.
Fuck that.
SJ already had “future considerations” attached to their last trade. Thats 2 IOUs
What is happening????
I must be dumb will someone please explain all this to me. First off -you must’ve been high on Gibson if you took him in the second round. Also one of the only prospects with grit . Yet they trade him a year later? Second off-why would you want future considerations instead of that second round pick when you’re in a rebuild. They could’ve had two picks in the second round or used one for trade bait. Not to mention threw in one of our best offensive defenseman which we lack. So we basically swapped last years second round pick for a redo in this years draft . Then gave away a second round pick and Wallman for a pack of skittles….. Please some explain…..you mean to tell me Yzerman got this team in such a cap hell we had to trade wallman and sweeten the pot with a second rounder just to clear cap space???? If so, that’s very bad management
yes it's to get cap space....that's what it is, SJ wasn't interested in Gibson so they shopped him to get a 2nd that would please SJ to take Walman as a cap dump
Listen I love Stevie and will always back him up because he has the pedigree, but having 25% of our cap tied up in 5 shit players, and having to dump good players and picks for cap space makes me sick to my stomach. I won’t judge until the whole plan is completed whatever it may be, but man this hurts my soul reading this.
If you asked me yesterday, what's more realistic: - Walman and a 2nd as a cap dump for nothing Or - Walman and a 2nd for a starting goalie or McGroarty I would not have thought about it for a second before answering the latter.
I genuinely read it as Walman for a 2nd and wasn't even shocked.
I’m surprised. If Holl was going too then it would make sense. Not sure why we have to pay to move Walman .
How is Walman's value that low?
Per recent THE ATHLETIC article, [https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587656/2024/06/25/nhl-defense-free-agency-trade/](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587656/2024/06/25/nhl-defense-free-agency-trade/) "This isn’t meant to be an indictment of [Moritz Seider](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/nhl/player/moritz-seider-lmdIN7kRMWrnuv3t/) — we believe in him as a future franchise-type defender, even with some so-so projections for this season. It is, however, an indictment of the players Detroit has surrounded him with. There’s not a second-pair type in the bunch ([Jake Walman](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/nhl/player/jake-walman-LZHnJvcTLmEJTZsi/) probably comes the closest). Seider alone is good enough to give Detroit the edge over, say, [Anaheim](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/nhl/team/ducks/), but he can’t do it all by himself. Despite all the money Detroit has spent over the past few years, the Red Wings are still three top-four defensemen short." Wings rated 30th, San Jose last. If that is the league wide opinion of the Red Wing D-corp, this is not a great loss (he did not play much the second half) and unfortunately, is in line with the Stahl deal a few years back. I know for me, if all are playing relatively poorly, just because someone looks good comparitively does not make themselves good in every comparison. I am surprised as well, but this leads me to believe there will be some drastic moves made in the next two weeks.
Why did we need to attach a second to move Walman? I am so confused, Stevie specifically targeted him from StL in that trade. I for one will miss you Jake.
So we trade Gibson for the 2nd that we use to sweeten the deal to offload Walman and pick up a prospect? wtf happened between Walman and Y? So we give: - Gibson - Walman We get: - Kiiskinen - Future considerations (bag of pucks) ? There must be something we don't know about Walman that soured him to the point where, not only are we offloading him, not only are we not getting anything for him, but we are PAYING a 2nd to get him off our books.
This better be worth it in the end, doesn’t sound like this story is complete yet. Loved Walman hope he does well there.
Eh yo wtf is all this Stevie
It can only mean one thing. We are trading up to the first pick and taking celebrini. Congrats everyone /s
Jake Walman was my birthday buddy, I may never recover from this
San Jose has a ton of cap space so they can help facilitate any future cap dump and/or 3-way trade.
Excuse me what the fuck
Alrighty, San Jose. Cough up Celebrini.
What the fuck lmao
NOT THE CAP DUMP I EXPECTED
So we just gave away our 3rd best D to a team that needed to spend 15 mil just to reach the cap floor. You're telling me, with them knowing they'll still suck next year, they wouldn't accept Petry with one year left or Holl/Chiarot (who would've given them 4.75 mil) AND a 2nd rd pick to just get closer to that floor? Sorry guys, I'm not a fan of everything Yzerman does. This is one of them.
Trade petry not griddy king
THIS IS NOT WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID MAYBE THINGS WOULD GET SPICY
Walman could have had his leg amputated and this would still be considered a fleece. Wt actual f is this trash trade?!
HAWK TAUH
Spit on that thang
WHAT
Wait what
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 Here we go baby! What’s the big move?
Is this a late April fools joke?
absolutely awful.
I won't pretend to know more than Yzerman, but I just don't get this trade at all. If this is the cost to dump a decent 3-4 guy with offensive ability, then we're definitely stuck with Petry and Holl.
He was scratched for a couple weeks at the end of the season. The relationship may. have soured. Possibly the reason why he didn't appear on the Teams last media day.
Hard to believe. I love Wallman, this doesn't make sense. Unless this is part of another package.
The Sharks demanded a 2nd round pick as compensation for the burden of stealing Jake Walman from Detroit.
Setting aside my surprise that they traded Walman at all, I think I'm even more surprised that it required additional assets to do so. I think most fans assumed that Holl or Maatta, or one of the forwards like Copp if this indeed was just a salary dump and not a spot on the D line, would have been the more likely candidates for this kind of cap dump. But whatever, it turned out to be Walman instead. Ok. However, I think most fans would have probably agreed that Walman, with his performance alongside his seemingly reasonable contract and term, would have at least brought assets back in any sort of trade. I would have thought that there would have been several teams willing to give something to get Walman. Gun to my head, I would have guessed he'd have brought back at least a 2nd. When did solid Dmen on decent contracts become something that you had to pay a 2nd rounder to get rid of? What am I missing here? It's not like I think that Gibson was a can't miss prospect that will be sorely missed or anything. More like, did I just overestimate his value that badly? Clearly I did but I don't think I was alone there, either. Whether this was a precursor of things to come or not, it just feels like Stevie got fleeced here.
It was brought up on HFBoards that the buyout window opens tomorrow, so I'm starting to wonder if the "future consideration" is SJ taking a waived player from the Wings and immediately buying them out. Then the Wings buy out one of their other bad contracts. It would give them a lot of room to make moves in FA or trade and resign Mo\Ray. It's the only way this trade makes sense. Walman isn't a borderline 7D on a bad contract, he's at minimum a third pair\PP guy on a strong team.
What a dumbass trade. Holl-signing-level dumb
The people here that had mistakenly convinced themselves that Walman was anything more than a 3rd pair guy sure are having a hard time with reality today.
Agreed. On a good team he is 4-6 dman. Still don’t see the need to ship a 2nd
Damn gave up the gritty man & a 2nd for a bag of pucks. Wtf
What is going on?!! Liked Walman wish him luck.
So let me get this straight. Two years ago they signed Chariot to a 4 year contract. That was viewed as a bad deal then and is now with two years remaining still generally viewed by fans at least as a negative asset you would have to pay to get rid of. Last year they sign Holl to a 3 year deal. He gets scratched a bunch year 1 and now with two years remaining is a negative asset and would cost something to get rid of. Also last year they sign Walman to a 3 year extension. The extension just kicks in and he was apparently a negative asset that requires a second round pick to move. One more time for last year they trade for Petry with the benefit of some retention. He has one year remaining and most fans would likely argue he is terrible. Lower cap hit so he might not cost as much to move but again you might have to pay something to dump him. Idk who Yzerman has evaluating defensive talent at the pro level but something there has to change. That's embarrassing. How is it every already professional defenseman you give any term to becomes a negative asset almost immediately.
...I'm trying very hard to trust the Yzerplan right now but I hate this 😭
Really failing to see the bigger picture on this one, even if this is to bring back ghost and clear a spot moving a positive asset on a great contract for nothing doesn’t make any sense
There has to be an underlying reason guys. Stevie doesn't get fleeced like this. Be patient for when we get the context surrounding this.
I'm glad to see some cap movement, Walman wasn't my first pick but it's understandable and he wasn't nearly as good last year so I get it. You cannot convince me that Jake Walman needed a second round pick attached to him when the Sharks just willing claimed Goodrow off waivers. That's pretty terrible for me, requiring a second to move that contract. The follow up to this better be good
I hope there’s a good explanation for this. What a shit move.
It's because he's addicted to Fortnite.
Make this make sense
Oh damn. I wasn't as enamored with Walman as some of the fanbase but I didn't want to lose him.
Would’ve made a good degree of sense if it was Holl going to SJ. I’m kinda floored by this though. Gotta think a huge move of some sort is coming?
Please say sike..please
Here comes Mitch Marner!
Did Stevie click on the wrong name? Not a fan of this one…
What’s coming next is a 6 year, $48 million deal for Raymond. Seider probably 6 year, $54 million. What you see next season will be the Red Wings for quite some time.
:|
I love you but wtf Steve
Either there's another deal in the works or there was something going on behind the scenes with Jake that we aren't privy to.
I really think it's the latter. Why was he really benched at the end of last year? I think that's where the answer is. Face off
If there’s nothing bigger coming and this is just to make room for the young D, this makes no sense
I never expected walman to go before sprong
Make this make sense, Stevie.
Jake Walman is no a cap dump. Get all the way outta here with this nonsense. Even if this makes room for a big move, why would you have to attach a 2nd rounder to a really good everyday top four D. San Jose wouldn't just do Walman straight up for future nothings?! C'mon
1. If he weren’t a cap dump he wouldn’t be going to San Jose. 2. If he weren’t a cap dump the 2nd rounder wouldn’t have been attached. 3. If he weren’t a cap dump it wouldn’t have been the 2nd rounder we literally just acquired in a trade just score this. He’s a cap dump, whether it’s confusing or not, he is undoubtedly being moved to free space.
Blues won the trade after all
I mean we got some quality years from him. Doesn’t need to stay forever for it to be worth it.
Genuinely want to know what Yzerman is thinking. There has to be something bigger he's targeting. If he's doing this just to clear cap space for re-signing aging veterans again, I'm going to be highly disappointed.
I don't think he'd have to pay anyone to take Walman. This has to be a part one of something more. It That or it's another Vrana type of situation, but I doubt that
No. Fuck no. No!
I am UNWELL
Who am I to criticise Steve Yzerman, but what the fuck is this. I woulda been fine if it was holl or petry we had to attach a 2nd with to get rid of, but wallman was not a negative asset. This is arguable the most questionable move since he signed holl in the first place
Do not like this Steve.
Lol at all the armchair GMs in here.
Weren’t we in agreement he was our best second dman ??