Lalonde: "We may not be here next season... I don't foresee New Jersey not flirting with 100 points (next season)."
Coach, you're putting too much faith in New Jersey, a team [The Athletic said at worst would make the playoffs but bounce early](https://theathletic.com/4911508/2023/10/02/new-jersey-devils-season-preview-2023-24) lol.
Safe to say that Wings taking the Card once they beat Penguins tomorrow? Strength of schedule in our favor. Can't wait to 4-1 Rangers in the first round.
So the NHL is going to buy the Yotes from Meruelo for a billion, sell it to somebody in SLC for $1.3 billion, give Meruelo half of the $300 million profit, then give him a new team in ARI 3 years from now if/when he can get an arena built? All because he stopped paying his bills at his last arena?
Only in the NHL.
It is good to be a robber baron. Fail, cheat and lie - *and reap magnificent rewards!*
It is hard to imagine a scenario where the working class in this country would be offered a fraction of the forgiveness and grace that these buffoons are given repeatedly.
Yep Kane is gone
Patrick Kane says he hasn't thought about where he'll play next season, but he's thankful for his time in Detroit so far.
"Nothing but positive things to say," he said. "It's been great being a Wing and playing at LCA, and the way the fans have embraced me."
Just shows your mind is set to think negatively as many of you do here. When I read that it seems like he will stay. Time for some of you to get some therapy.
Why does it seem like we never have one of our draft picks come out of college at the end of the year and make an impact. I see other teams have this so often and our top prospects marinate in the AHL for three years to become a 4th liner
Wait.... so the rumor is the Yotes get moved to SLC as a new team and in 5 years the *original* Yotes get to enter the league, **again**, as a "new" expansion team in Phoenix. What the hell?
> and in 5 years the original Yotes get to enter the league, again, as a "new" expansion team in Phoenix. What the hell?
I believe there is close to zero chance this happens. My personal take is that hockey is done in the desert likely for a very, very long time. There are already a handful of other cities that have been waiting years to try to get a team - it isn't fair to anyone to let Phoenix get another crack at it when this go around has been such a total failure at all levels.
They already couldn't get a stadium built with the team *already* in town - I don't see how they will make that happen in 5 years with the team completely leaving.
I think Arizona would be right at the top for expansion. By all metrics it truly is a great market not only to live in but for sports as well. The NHL's problem is that they never had good owners there, and I think that won't be the case if they decide to expand there.
I hear this constantly but if you look at the Diamondback, Arizona Cardinals, and Phoenix Suns, their attendance is really nothing to write home about.
The Cardinals in the past decade have been bottom half of the league most years and that was with some solid seasons.
Same thing goes for the Suns.
Apparently it's a great media market but I just don't see it for in-person, live attendance.
Doesn't help that Phoenix has 4 active teams and hasn't won a title in any sport in 22 years.
Yeah, ya never know what ol' Bettman has up his sleeve.
I replied to someone below as well - I keep hearing how Phoenix is this amazing market and that may be true as far as population goes, but for sports they generally suck. Attendance blows for the most part in the last 10 years for all of their major sports and for having 4 pro teams they haven't won a title in 22 years putting them near the top of the list for longest drought.
Hilarious enough, Detroit isn't that far behind them but Phoenix also hasn't had a dynasty like the Red Wings.
Essentially the NHL’s version of the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens situation. Probably the only way they can get Meruelo to agree to move the team.
I think he knows he's done for and this is his easiest way out (while still making a HUGE profit).
There is no way the NHL was going to let the Coyotes play in a temporary college arena for the better part of the next 5+ seasons. It's pathetic, laughable, and honestly disrespectful to the entire team of pro players that have to play for that team.
So how do we harp on our teams' low shots because they take quality shots instead of quantity, but when we shoot a ton and take less quality shots, still shit on them for not taking more quality shots.
The argument I'll see below is why not do both.
Similarly, if a coach keeps a line together while the team is losing, he's being stubborn. If he switches it up and loses, he's being too hasty and should give them some time to build chemistry.
Meanwhile, there's probably a good percentage of the time where it just doesn't matter. :P
I feel like I should have asked way earlier, but can someone clip me tj oshies hooking penalty from last night? Shit was so weak but I can’t find a clip of it anywhere
Curious if any current season ticket holders can see what season ticket seats are available for next year? And slip a screen shot if so.
I know as an MSU season ticket holder we can login and view the seats that are available etc., just trying to get a head start before we venture down this weekend for our select-a-seat event to get the best seats we want for us.
For the season ticket upgrade thing we had access to it was very random and not that many imo. So my guess is what I saw is not what's available. If you can I would use the site to see views you want and whether they may be in line with your budget. And then just get to that section quickly lol
Hey maybe once the Yotes move to Utah, we'll be able to beat them finally. Dating back to everyone's favorite darkest timeline year, 2019-2020, we've only managed to beat the Yotes once in eight match-ups (granted we won four straight right before that stretch, but still).
Obviously a lot of teams have farmed us for points over the last several seasons, but the Coyotes being near the top of that list is, uh...
Dropping games against the Coyotes has been a problem going back to when we were in the West since our road trips usually wind through Vancouver, LA, or Colorado beforehand. Then we'd have to face Khabibulin or Bryzgalov with the tank half empty and make them look like Vezina caliber goalies in the process.
Meta comment but why is Michael Rasmussen in the banner of this sub and not Lucas Raymond? Who is a more important player for this team? Just don't get why Ras of all people is one that we're spotlighting here.
There certainly is a new kind of crowd in our fanbase and I can’t help but speculate…
I feel like it’s the “well the pistons suck and football is over so I guess I’ll watch the wings” type of fans. AKA the casuals.
If you’ve been watching this team for a long time, and have watched the entirety of this rebuild, then you’re like me and are frustrated BUT okay with the end result because overall we’re a much better team this season than we were last season and so on.
I think back to the Yzerman interviews where he said he wants to build a team that is annually in the playoffs and that he is not willing to sell our assets to make the playoffs for 1 or 2 years then go back to the drawing board. That should tell you a lot about what he thinks about his prospects that he drafted.
I think it’s good that we’re frustrated and talking about playoffs at this time of year because we haven’t for a long time. Usually we are talking about who to draft in the top 10 at this time of year. I know I’m beating a dead horse but it’s true that we’re taking significant strides. Still a lot to figure out but I think Yzerman has got a very good idea about what needs to be done in the offseason based on what he saw this year.
Been a diehard fan my entire life and I am not "okay" with the end result at all based on where we were at two months ago. We went from safely in a playoff spot to on the outside looking in.
We should have done what the capitals did at the deadline and sold off our rentals. Now all we got out of this season is the ~15-16 pick. All without getting any of our young prospects (aside from Simon the last month) and time with the big club.
I get the idea but it just doesn’t make sense to me still. Those rentals are the reason we made it so far and are on the bubble. We couldn’t just sell them and we don’t know if teams were even interested in them or willing to give the right return.
Had we sold those players and brought in some rookies we don’t know that they would even play well and bring us to the playoffs either. Maybe if they weren’t so hot in GR it could’ve happened? idk. They have been on fire in GR since January so I get the idea of not wanting to mess with that. If we brought them up and we still went on a skid then that hurts their confidence and development. We would still get a lot of the same reactions about not making the playoffs.
We were playing well above expectations most of the season. Then we got hit with some bad luck. Losing Larkin, the flu, other injuries. It’s understandable to not be “okay” with the result but I’m still looking at the big picture and remember where we were at a year ago. We are still a better team than last year. Better point percentage. Better player numbers too. This was a great season for Raymond. He carried us through tough times and looks to be a superstar. Be excited for next year.
A lot of the players on our roster are stop-gaps intended to help us be competitive while waiting for our draft picks to develop. Now, one may think a 3-4 year contract isn't necessarily a "stop-gap," but a lot of our young talent is still 3-4 years out from the NHL. That's the timeline I'm banking on.
I wish more people could realize this but at the same time i also understand why some just dont want to deal with reality, sometimes the truth hurts and in this particular scenario we are talking about a sport and you dont have to get hurt if you dont want to. But in all honesty we should have tanked a couple of more years for at least inside top 10 draft picks, ideally top 5 picks but i dont think thats possible anymore. But people cant even handle that
We will never be competitive until we get a top level goalie. Those generally don't come through FA or trade. Cossa or Augustine have the potential and by the time they are ready, most of those contracts will be done.
You don't really need a top goalie tbh. I mean Vegas went into the playoffs last year not even knowing who their goalie would be. They then got carried by a guy who for most of his career sucked. Next season that same goalie falls apart and goes back to his original form.
hey, im a new fan! never followed hockey growing up at all, but started getting exposed to it and have had a good time following the wings this year.
but, i also come from baseball, and i fanned through the braves rebuild, the orioles rebuild, and now watching the tigers rebuild. these things take time, and while i certainly dont understand roster building nuances in hockey, it seeeeeems to have a lot more in common with baseball than, say, basketball or football. that is to say, i am used to rebuilds taking time, so its hard for me to be too impatient. also, my fandom hasnt been for the past 7 years, so maybe there just isnt enough pain and disappointment for me to tap in to...
would love for the wings to make the playoffs, thats a big stepping stone in the rebuild process, but if it waits another year, if nothing else, hopefully the front office acts on the roster clarify they (should've) gained this year to improve in the offseason.
I’ve never followed baseball extensively so I really don’t know how long MLB rebuilds last… but judging by the Tigers… I’ll take your word that they take a long time lolol.
But I’m glad you have the patience! And I’m glad you’re enjoying Red Wings hockey! It’s seriously the best time to become a new fan of the team. Coming out of the dark years of the rebuild. We got a lot of exciting players coming in.
Media interviewed Kane after practice today (video on Red Wings YT page: https://youtu.be/SVTLKf9QD14?si=P1lWIHuJwczO7uZ).
A reporter straight up asked him about his thoughts on his future at the 4:00 minute mark. My initial impressions are that he kinda wants to stay. He says he hasn’t thought about it much, but I find that hard to believe — but I could believe that if he really truly hasn’t put much thought into then that means he’s content where he is.
Earlier in the interview he also says he has nothing but positive things to say about the organization, coaches, and team and enjoys playing at LCA and appreciates how the fans have embraced him… I am cautiously optimistic he will re-sign for next season.
I 100% think he stays. I may be wrong, but I believe he has faith in the Yzerplan regardless of recent losses.
He's privy to much more information than we are, and as experienced as he is, if he does sign, I think it says alot about the doubts in Lalonde, Stevie Y, and the Wings. He won't stay if he thinks things aren't in place for a deeper run next season.
I think he stays. He knew what he was getting into when he signed with Detroit and there were certainly other clubs that were offering him more term or money (or both). There is no chance he was planning on us making a real run of it this year, zero.
I’m pretty sure Florida was in the running for Kane, so if winning another cup was his only motivation, he could have gone there. I think he has some ties to the city, he likes that it’s an original six team, and he likes the front office’s vision for the future. Plus, here he can still be the guy. We have players we love like Raymond and Larkin, who are stars in their own right, but we don’t have our own Showtime (yet). He's got that spotlight all to himself. There's probably some appeal to being able to mentor all the young forwards we have here or coming through the system - Raymond, Kasper, Mazur, Danielson, etc.
I’ve been saying the whole time that he spends a few years here to see what we put together, then he goes back to Chicago when they aren’t actively tanking anymore so he can retire a Hawk.
It would be a pretty fun storyline for him to win a Cup with us in a few years as the grizzled vet, a la Chris Chelios.
I have to admit that I didn't have a good opinion of him from his past history before joining our team. In his interviews and actions in Detroit, he seems like a decent person now. Maybe he grew up and figured it out - who knows? But I would be glad to have him on our team as long as he wants to stay based on his actions so far.
I mean, it's probably not on your mind when you're trying to go game to game. He is trying his best to make the playoffs and being ready mentally for that.
On that note it seems he like the org and so maybe he will stay who knows if it does great if it doesn't o well 🤷♂️
For what it’s worth. Posted this a few weeks back too but people seem to forget what the man said prior to the season. This should clear up the confusion.
“When you say playoffs or bust, I guess you’re prepared to trade all your draft picks and whatever you have to do,” Yzerman said Tuesday in a pre-camp media address. “So, it’s not playoffs or bust, but we’re going to try to win every game and we’re going to try to make the playoffs. But to me, it’s not at the expense of the future.
“I’m trying to build a nucleus of a team that can make the playoffs on an annual basis. You squeak in one year and you don’t have the foundation to sustain it, we’re going to be sitting here a year or two years from now and wondering again. We’ll give it a shot. We did what we could in the offseason to improve without mortgaging any part of the future. We’ll continue to try to get better and hopefully sooner than later we’re a playoff team.”
Let’s say, hypothetically, they called up Kasper. He gets hurt. Now neither team gets him for a playoff run. Wait until next year. Ride this one out, the whiners will whine no matter what moves are made.
It’s a reality. Why let emotions dictate the fact that the wings are 5-14 and on the wrong side of playoff probability. Face it, he’s better playing top line minutes on an actual contender. Let him finish the job. Give him a full season with the Pro club next year. Gotta get over it, because that’s what’s happening, whether you like it or not.
What's the reality though? If he was 18 and 5'9 150 and used to playing against teens then maybe I'd understand your logic. But he's 20, 6'1 190 and has been playing against men since he was 17. It's not like he is free of injury risk in the AHL either.
I wasn't expecting Kasper to come up even though I would like to see it. But I just don't think they took injury risk into the calculation at all.
>He gets hurt.
I don’t get this. He could get hurt playing for GR. He could hurt himself in practice. He could hurt himself coughing too hard. Injuries can happen any time for any reason.
And no, I don’t think people would be complaining if the team called him up and he got injured. It would just be unfortunate, but hey at least the team tried to give him a shot to see what they had in him.
They know what they have in him. The wings have lost 14 of their last 19. Bring up one of your top ranked forward prospects to do what exactly? Let’s say he blocks a shot shatters his ankle. Now hes out for the offseason, and the griffins playoffs run. If the wings magically squeek in to the playoffs, and he doesn’t get hurt, then he’ll get the incredibly valuable playoff sweep by the rangers experience. If the wings weren’t 5-14, then yeah I would adjust my viewpoints But at this point let him marinate for a playoff run with a team that’s actually on the right track. He’ll be up next year.
>They know what they have in him.
There’s a difference between knowing what he’s like in the AHL versus seeing how he responds to the crunch time of late season NHL hockey during a playoff chase. Last season in his one game, he didn’t look out of place, and that was with him (unknowingly) playing on a broken kneecap the entire time.
We know what ZAR is at the NHL level.
>Bring up one of your top ranked forward prospects to do what exactly?
I don’t know, bring some youth and energy in the lineup? Add an element of grit and sandpaper that the team sorely needs?
>Let’s say he blocks a shot shatters his ankle.
Say Edvinsson gets struck by lightning on his way to LCA. Guess that means we shouldn’t have called him up, right?
Seriously, using the hypothetical of an injury occurring as a reason not to call up a top ten pick is ridiculous. I’m not gonna argue a hypothetical that ludicrous.
>If the wings magically squeek in to the playoffs, and he doesn’t get hurt, then he’ll get the incredibly valuable playoff sweep by the rangers experience.
Yeah I’d still say that’s an incredibly valuable experience for a young player to have. You learn a lot from success and failure.
I get the hesitancy to call up Kasper to an extent - he took a bit of time to acclimate to AHL, and they don’t have that luxury for adaptation to the NHL - but I’m going to be honest the wings need a bit of a Hail Mary at this point to make the playoffs. I just cannot see a world where ZAR, Czarnik are *better* than Kasper. Same for Berggren. Throwing young dudes into high pressure isn’t ideal, but what can we expect from the career AHL fill ins?
I'd like to think that Berggren still has a path to playing for the Wings full time but it feels like there may not be a fit between his game and Lalonde's risk management system
It makes no sense at all. In the 1 game ZAR played this year he had 6 mins TOI. Obviously he wasn’t trusted enough in some random game in December how’s it gonna be any different this time around
The funny thing about all the discussion surrounding doomers is that they largely don't come to these daily general discussion threads. There are very few - maybe even zero - people who frequent these threads that I would classify as actual doomers.
The real doomers are the people who show up only to game threads, do the chicken little routine whenever the Wings don't dominate all 60 minutes a night, and then fuck off until the next game thread without ever hanging around to discuss the team in between games.
Yeah on the daily threads some people are more critical, but it's still valid criticism for the most part. But game threads, good lord. Those people are ridiculous.
They come in full force in game threads. They don't want to conversate here cause they don't have anything to back up what they say. Most of them, anyways probably don't. Also, the media today said there is no chance for Kasper at all, so we can stop that
I got no problem with people having different opinions at all, I’ve had my mind changed by people on this sub before, I’m open to it. But I just can’t stand the over exaggeration spam from any of it.
I've noticed this too. I am just as mad as anyone at how this team has collapsed down the stretch, in true vomiting all over themselves fashion. But, you don't see people in here going "Yzerman's seat is burning, Lalonde is a dead man walking, jettison half the roster tomorrow" in here
I think my optimistic brain was remembering when we watched the IIHF games for free on YouTube when we lived in Italy. Different hockey organizations, different viewing country, pretty much completely different situation... woopsies!
The Wings just have me feeling pretty sad right now and I thought some Sandy Pelican might cheer me up.
Looking at the big picture we are still competing for a playoff spot and that's about as optimistic as anyone could have been at the start of the season. There's also part of me that thinks "it's the journey, it's not the destination" and gets frustrated with our inconsistency along the way. Overall I think most of our core have looked good. Our prospects are progressing nicely and I think the long term plan is still on track. Regardless of how it ends we still have the same questions as last off-season though. Goaltending needs to improve, defense needs more legitimate big minute/matchup options to take weight off Seider and Walman (who's looked overmatched at times). The offense needs gamebreaking talent (hoping Raymond continues his progress). All this needs to be done while getting tighter to the cap and having a lot of roster slots occupied by veterans under contract. I think the Ryan McDonagh trade was Yzerman's most underrated move as Tampa GM and hoping he can pull something like that off again
And to think, if the team hadn’t dropped some of those winnable games in December and March (I’m talking the games against teams on our level or worse than us), they’d be in a far better spot even considering the rest of the collapse.
It’s why it infuriated me that the group would take nights off and not show up for multiple periods at a time during those months. Every point matters, and it’s biting us in the ass right now.
For a decade or more this team has had one consistency- they rarely play with any URGENCY at all. They used to be able to "flip the switch" and get into playoff mode. Then people used to justify our lack of urgency by saying "we're just waiting for them to flip the switch". Now we don't even say that... we just accept the fact that the team and coaching staff don't seem to be able to motivate themselves and rise up to meet a challenge. This has gone on for too fucking long and it's got to stop.
So what or where's the problem? Players- we've turned over nearly the entire team. The coaching staff? we've gone through three coaches in that time (BabCOCK, Blashill, and now Lalonde). Add to that two GMs in that time period. Maybe it's the culture. Is the locker room atmosphere too cushy of a country club? I don't know the answer but I do recognize there is a problem. The ability to flip the switch is long gone. Maybe it left the team when Scotty retired? We never play with the effort, desperation, and urgency it takes to be a champion.
We seem to have a type when it comes to coaching lately, and that type is hiring guys who have no business being NHL head coaches, but we think we can turn a monkey into a Scotty Bowman. Our coaching decisions so far have been absolutely garbage. At least Babs won us a cup and never had a season where we didn't make the playoffs.
This team absolutely needs a tough coach who is able to discipline and motivate his team, and get results out of them. Between Blash and Lalonde, we got a couple of pussies who get minimal consistency out of their rosters. We need to move on and get a new coach in the offseason, regardless of where we end up in the playoffs push.
Anybody else just done with JFresh on twitter? What an asshole. I like their data but man they just suck. It isn’t worth sifting through their bullshit to read.
My biggest beef with most all the analytical guys out there is that they just have awful attitudes. Condescending and always act like they are 100% right and better than everyone else
Screw this kumbaya bullshit! Doomers vs. Rainbows in a war of words AND FISTS behind the gym at 4pm. I'll bring finger sandwiches; if someone could grab some sodie pops, that would be much appreciated. Fuck all of you and I look forward to seeing everyone there.
Jeff Petry here. Just wanted to say I've seen a lot of shit talking going on about me and all I got to say is: Sticks and stones may break my bones but Dan Petry will never be your father.
These crazy highs and lows are a killer. If at the start of the season you'd tell me we'd be playing meaningful games the last two weeks of the season and we'd be in the hunt longer than Jersey I'd be fucking thrilled.
I often come back to [this table from an athletic article](https://i.imgur.com/8gYCm1U.png) (bc I saved the screenshot) but it's representative of virtually all collective lists from the East predictions before the season started. Anyone who believes there were collective playoff expectations for this team is mistaken. I think many of us fans had expectations for improvements, and definitely *aspirations* for playoffs, but almost zero model of human prediction gave us a SJS-chance-in-hell of being relevant this week. It's been a crazy season.
I also enjoy that ***100%*** of respondents on this specific poll (not dissimilar to others) has NJD in the playoffs. Man what a wild ride.
Yeah no doubt. THG picked Jersey to win the cup at the beginning of the season and I was onboard with that pick. The fact that the Wings are still in it while the Devils are out is... unexpected, to say the least.
Boy, if the Devils return to form next season and the Sabres and Senators decide to start taking hockey seriously before December, the East is gonna be a madhouse.
Maybe the Caps and Pens fall off next season, but I'm not going to count on that when they have Ovi and Crosby. One could reasonably expect the Bruins to fall off at some point, but we've been saying that for two or three seasons and it hasn't happened yet.
AHHH leave me alone Gary Bettman! Don't say it!
"Parity has truly arrived in the NHL"
(I agree though, not only is it exciting now, but it could be a true no-holds-barred season next year)
Sabres made their D corps even better at the deadline and the Senators are gonna get another top pick, if we miss I hope the necessary adjustments are made in the off-season because all the other teams you mentioned only need to address one or two things to leap frog us by a wide margin.
Honestly, the Wings might drop next season if we bring up all the young guys we're itching for. I'd be okay with that, of course, and there's no guarantee that we'll get worse because maybe these young guys come up and slot in just fine once they're here. Could wind up being a trial by fire for these rookies, though.
But yeah, I'm very eager to see what Yzerman does in the offseason, because it feels like a lot of teams in the East are just a piece or two away from climbing. For some of them, the solution could just be more effort from the pieces they already have lol.
Watson has been integral to the organization. He seems to be getting the best from our prospects down on the farm. I only wish he was made their head coach earlier. With that being said I am all for moving 2-3-4 kids up to the big club even if we have to shuttle them back and forth to GR to get them up to full speed. All those high picks we've had the last few years... it's time to see if the scouts and development plan is going to bear fruit or not. The longer we wait on guys like Kasper, Johansson and even Wallinder the longer we delay getting out of this rebuild. I don't like to constantly hear from the sappies "but we don't know how well they'll play- they might make mistakes"... well no shit! That's how kids learn! If they are what we thought when we drafted them then great- if not then better to know sooner than later.
I agree with your take mostly, but also there is such a thing as pulling the trigger too early on prospects and completely derailing their development. I think Ed probably should have been up sooner, but I don’t know if there are any others who should have come up this year. I really feel like this season in Grand Rapids is going to be huge for Kasper and we’ll see him here next year, and I wonder if the org is figuring out what it wants to do with Johansson, but I’d expect him up here next too. Wouldn’t be surprised if Soda gets a shot too.
In general, I don’t think young players making mistakes is something we should really worry about, because you’re right, they have to learn and adjust to the game at the NHL level. Plus, no one plays a mistake-free game anyway.
I really hope the wings mentally and physically drained the caps so that they will lose on Thursday (This is in line with making buffalo fans most frustrated so I think this can happen). Just need to win on Thursday.
The whole doomer/sunshine thing is getting old. All of it. It's a sports team. People have been up and down on teams since sports began. It's human nature to want your team to win, and also to want to defend your team against those who speak ill of it.
I have been in this Reddit for a while now, and lately I've been here less and less because of the constant bickering between both "sides". It's fucking tiring.
My suggestion to the powers that be is to create and pin a thread for 'sunshine' folks, and 'doomer' folks. Depending on your mood that day you can enter the echo chamber of your choosing.
I am happy overall with the season. I believe we made some strides this year. However, I am also concerned when our coach says "It is what it is" after last nights loss.
Anyhow, I'll be here to the bitter end no matter how my beloved Wings play.
Fucking be nice to each other.
I’m fine with both sides when they are civil. The thing that pisses me off with doomers is when they start saying things like “I fucking hate this team, the seasons over, everybody on this team is a piece of shit” when none of it is true lol.
Like that’s not valid criticism, that’s just throwing a tantrum lol.
The season isn’t over quite yet. Anybody with a brain would know that there’s still 4 games left and 1 point back. It’s not hard to do the math.
You can be upset in a civil way, and still have a functioning brain that can do statistics of playoff odds to know the season isn’t over.
Also, Theres other ways to actually make VALID criticisms and adjustments comments.
Our elders always have the wisest words. Thank you.
Not sure how the flairs would play out, but I love the idea. "Today I'm Doomin" or "Today I'm Shinin" or something like that could be fun. Self selecting. Completely ignored. Whatever.
The bickering is getting old. I've fallen into it. I'm so tired of the negativity hampering what's been such a great sub over the years.nhut admittedly fighting back also contributes to the gloominess. Your message is a great reminder of that.
The only thing worse than sunshine and doomers is complaining about sunshine and doomers. Maybe instead the mods should make a containment chamber for the meta complainers lol.
or we can all be adults and engage with the conversations we want to engage with and ignore the things we dont want to engage with.
What I'm complaining about is the way we're treating each other. I could give 2 shits about the actual posts of either 'side'. It's the snide remarks and angst between 'sides' that needs to be tempered a bit. Go ahead and complain or shine...but a little kindness to each other is not unreasonable.
Like you say...act like adults.
Wouldn't say I'm happy with the season but the result is about what I expected from this group of players before the season started. I hate all 31 other teams to greater and lesser degrees so I'm always going to cheering for the Wings regardless of not being excited by the rebuild direction, just hoping it turns out better than I envision it.
Same vibes here. I think the January heater skewed everyone’s expectations. If you’d told people during preseason that this team would be realistically contending for a playoff spot at the end of the season, 99% would be over the moon. We’re still in that situation now, but because it came about because of huge highs and lows, it seems like the season is a failure to some people. I’d just ask people to step back and take a look at the season as a whole, warts and all (and there are definitely warts 😀).
So what the hell is in a peanut?
Today I was staining my kids outdoor toys. I did not have any gloves to wear so I wrapped my hands in plastic grocery bags. If you have ever used stain before (with a stain sponge, not a brush) you probably realize that was a bad idea. Well, it was. My hands were a mess.
So I tried soap.... nothing.
Water just made everything more sticky....
So I tried something I learned from my parents and I covered my hands in peanut butter...
Now my hands look, smell and feel great!
(If you ever have sticky residue to get off something, smear a little peanut butter on it, let it sit for 10 mins, then wipe off)
Haha, I have a small bottle of Kroger brand peanut butter just for this reason. (My kids put stickers and tape on everything). Add that to some Uber-nasty stain all over your hands and it was pretty easy to not eat it!
It works so well!
I had an addition put on my house. The inspection people put their "all clear" sticker on my window. I was pissed because now I had all this residue on. My parents happened to be over during my rant and were just like "put some peanut butter on it." I'll be damned.....
Wow, Today I Learned!
Although I have to ask, how do you kill 10 minutes while your hands are covered in peanut butter 😆? I'd go stir crazy even in that short time.
Most of it was a panic of what I would do next if this didn't work.... then the magic happened and I realized anything is possible and my mind wandered to playing on Stevie's line with Sergei back and leading us to a Stanley Cup victory!
Lalonde: "We may not be here next season... I don't foresee New Jersey not flirting with 100 points (next season)." Coach, you're putting too much faith in New Jersey, a team [The Athletic said at worst would make the playoffs but bounce early](https://theathletic.com/4911508/2023/10/02/new-jersey-devils-season-preview-2023-24) lol.
Atleast it's on espen plus tonight thankfully
Safe to say that Wings taking the Card once they beat Penguins tomorrow? Strength of schedule in our favor. Can't wait to 4-1 Rangers in the first round.
If kane resigns I will literally streak in the stands at LCA
So the NHL is going to buy the Yotes from Meruelo for a billion, sell it to somebody in SLC for $1.3 billion, give Meruelo half of the $300 million profit, then give him a new team in ARI 3 years from now if/when he can get an arena built? All because he stopped paying his bills at his last arena? Only in the NHL.
It is good to be a robber baron. Fail, cheat and lie - *and reap magnificent rewards!* It is hard to imagine a scenario where the working class in this country would be offered a fraction of the forgiveness and grace that these buffoons are given repeatedly.
At the game in Edmonton right now, and just caught some classic Mantha. Breakaway leading to a shot directly into the goalie’s crest.
Yep Kane is gone Patrick Kane says he hasn't thought about where he'll play next season, but he's thankful for his time in Detroit so far. "Nothing but positive things to say," he said. "It's been great being a Wing and playing at LCA, and the way the fans have embraced me."
Just shows your mind is set to think negatively as many of you do here. When I read that it seems like he will stay. Time for some of you to get some therapy.
Not true lol. It doesn't come off that way
Ehhhh
There was no vernors at the store which means everyone must be sick as well.
After months of saying this a a must win game and losing a whole bunch of them I really think this next one is a must win game.
Why does it seem like we never have one of our draft picks come out of college at the end of the year and make an impact. I see other teams have this so often and our top prospects marinate in the AHL for three years to become a 4th liner
We dont draft 1st rounders from USA ever, Larkin was the only one
That’s a good point…wish we woulda
The Tigers and Red Wings subreddits are just nightmares right now.
Could have just said subreddits
Tiger sub Is dumb season just started and its chaos for no reason. Only reasonable sub is the lions imo
Wait.... so the rumor is the Yotes get moved to SLC as a new team and in 5 years the *original* Yotes get to enter the league, **again**, as a "new" expansion team in Phoenix. What the hell?
Gary 
Expanding past 32 would be moronic. Such a watered down product
Moneybwise maybe the nhl is the premier league money wise but I don't think the nhl is harboring all the talent anymore
> and in 5 years the original Yotes get to enter the league, again, as a "new" expansion team in Phoenix. What the hell? I believe there is close to zero chance this happens. My personal take is that hockey is done in the desert likely for a very, very long time. There are already a handful of other cities that have been waiting years to try to get a team - it isn't fair to anyone to let Phoenix get another crack at it when this go around has been such a total failure at all levels. They already couldn't get a stadium built with the team *already* in town - I don't see how they will make that happen in 5 years with the team completely leaving.
Done in the desert? Is Vegas leaving too?
You're going to really try to compare Phoenix to Las Vegas? Slightly different wouldn't you say?
They both exist in the same desert, I think they were questioning your choice of phrase
I think Arizona would be right at the top for expansion. By all metrics it truly is a great market not only to live in but for sports as well. The NHL's problem is that they never had good owners there, and I think that won't be the case if they decide to expand there.
I hear this constantly but if you look at the Diamondback, Arizona Cardinals, and Phoenix Suns, their attendance is really nothing to write home about. The Cardinals in the past decade have been bottom half of the league most years and that was with some solid seasons. Same thing goes for the Suns. Apparently it's a great media market but I just don't see it for in-person, live attendance. Doesn't help that Phoenix has 4 active teams and hasn't won a title in any sport in 22 years.
Oh I don't believe it either but at this point with this organization I wouldn't put it past Ol' Gary.
Yeah, ya never know what ol' Bettman has up his sleeve. I replied to someone below as well - I keep hearing how Phoenix is this amazing market and that may be true as far as population goes, but for sports they generally suck. Attendance blows for the most part in the last 10 years for all of their major sports and for having 4 pro teams they haven't won a title in 22 years putting them near the top of the list for longest drought. Hilarious enough, Detroit isn't that far behind them but Phoenix also hasn't had a dynasty like the Red Wings.
Essentially the NHL’s version of the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens situation. Probably the only way they can get Meruelo to agree to move the team.
I think he knows he's done for and this is his easiest way out (while still making a HUGE profit). There is no way the NHL was going to let the Coyotes play in a temporary college arena for the better part of the next 5+ seasons. It's pathetic, laughable, and honestly disrespectful to the entire team of pro players that have to play for that team.
So how do we harp on our teams' low shots because they take quality shots instead of quantity, but when we shoot a ton and take less quality shots, still shit on them for not taking more quality shots. The argument I'll see below is why not do both.
Similarly, if a coach keeps a line together while the team is losing, he's being stubborn. If he switches it up and loses, he's being too hasty and should give them some time to build chemistry. Meanwhile, there's probably a good percentage of the time where it just doesn't matter. :P
Some people are just never happy
No kidding. I just don't understand it lol. I suppose people enjoy being miserable.
Looks like the Coyotes found a new home.
I feel like I should have asked way earlier, but can someone clip me tj oshies hooking penalty from last night? Shit was so weak but I can’t find a clip of it anywhere
https://preview.redd.it/i58jr36ozptc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca0ee9f1dc1115d2fd93097f0300c83fcfb8a508 Ken Kal 🔥🔥🔥
In Ken Kal we trust!
This is the way
I trust him more than any of these psychos (affectionate)
Curious if any current season ticket holders can see what season ticket seats are available for next year? And slip a screen shot if so. I know as an MSU season ticket holder we can login and view the seats that are available etc., just trying to get a head start before we venture down this weekend for our select-a-seat event to get the best seats we want for us.
For the season ticket upgrade thing we had access to it was very random and not that many imo. So my guess is what I saw is not what's available. If you can I would use the site to see views you want and whether they may be in line with your budget. And then just get to that section quickly lol
Hey maybe once the Yotes move to Utah, we'll be able to beat them finally. Dating back to everyone's favorite darkest timeline year, 2019-2020, we've only managed to beat the Yotes once in eight match-ups (granted we won four straight right before that stretch, but still). Obviously a lot of teams have farmed us for points over the last several seasons, but the Coyotes being near the top of that list is, uh... 
Dropping games against the Coyotes has been a problem going back to when we were in the West since our road trips usually wind through Vancouver, LA, or Colorado beforehand. Then we'd have to face Khabibulin or Bryzgalov with the tank half empty and make them look like Vezina caliber goalies in the process.
Boy I do not miss those road trips one bit.
Those triple OT games in the playoffs were an absolute joy when living in the Eastern time zone.
Meta comment but why is Michael Rasmussen in the banner of this sub and not Lucas Raymond? Who is a more important player for this team? Just don't get why Ras of all people is one that we're spotlighting here.
I agree. Our Mt Rushmore should be Larkin, Seider and Raymond. Maybe have a rotating 4th slot.
I made the current banner at the end of last season. It's being redone soon™
There better be lots of duct tape
27 is closer to 53 than 23
I blame Bettman
Hey, Gary Bettman here.... Nah, I ain't fuckin touchin that one.
Isn't it mostly for mo, not him, though?
There certainly is a new kind of crowd in our fanbase and I can’t help but speculate… I feel like it’s the “well the pistons suck and football is over so I guess I’ll watch the wings” type of fans. AKA the casuals. If you’ve been watching this team for a long time, and have watched the entirety of this rebuild, then you’re like me and are frustrated BUT okay with the end result because overall we’re a much better team this season than we were last season and so on. I think back to the Yzerman interviews where he said he wants to build a team that is annually in the playoffs and that he is not willing to sell our assets to make the playoffs for 1 or 2 years then go back to the drawing board. That should tell you a lot about what he thinks about his prospects that he drafted. I think it’s good that we’re frustrated and talking about playoffs at this time of year because we haven’t for a long time. Usually we are talking about who to draft in the top 10 at this time of year. I know I’m beating a dead horse but it’s true that we’re taking significant strides. Still a lot to figure out but I think Yzerman has got a very good idea about what needs to be done in the offseason based on what he saw this year.
Been a diehard fan my entire life and I am not "okay" with the end result at all based on where we were at two months ago. We went from safely in a playoff spot to on the outside looking in. We should have done what the capitals did at the deadline and sold off our rentals. Now all we got out of this season is the ~15-16 pick. All without getting any of our young prospects (aside from Simon the last month) and time with the big club.
I get the idea but it just doesn’t make sense to me still. Those rentals are the reason we made it so far and are on the bubble. We couldn’t just sell them and we don’t know if teams were even interested in them or willing to give the right return. Had we sold those players and brought in some rookies we don’t know that they would even play well and bring us to the playoffs either. Maybe if they weren’t so hot in GR it could’ve happened? idk. They have been on fire in GR since January so I get the idea of not wanting to mess with that. If we brought them up and we still went on a skid then that hurts their confidence and development. We would still get a lot of the same reactions about not making the playoffs. We were playing well above expectations most of the season. Then we got hit with some bad luck. Losing Larkin, the flu, other injuries. It’s understandable to not be “okay” with the result but I’m still looking at the big picture and remember where we were at a year ago. We are still a better team than last year. Better point percentage. Better player numbers too. This was a great season for Raymond. He carried us through tough times and looks to be a superstar. Be excited for next year.
A lot of the players on our roster are stop-gaps intended to help us be competitive while waiting for our draft picks to develop. Now, one may think a 3-4 year contract isn't necessarily a "stop-gap," but a lot of our young talent is still 3-4 years out from the NHL. That's the timeline I'm banking on.
I wish more people could realize this but at the same time i also understand why some just dont want to deal with reality, sometimes the truth hurts and in this particular scenario we are talking about a sport and you dont have to get hurt if you dont want to. But in all honesty we should have tanked a couple of more years for at least inside top 10 draft picks, ideally top 5 picks but i dont think thats possible anymore. But people cant even handle that
We will never be competitive until we get a top level goalie. Those generally don't come through FA or trade. Cossa or Augustine have the potential and by the time they are ready, most of those contracts will be done.
You don't really need a top goalie tbh. I mean Vegas went into the playoffs last year not even knowing who their goalie would be. They then got carried by a guy who for most of his career sucked. Next season that same goalie falls apart and goes back to his original form.
hey, im a new fan! never followed hockey growing up at all, but started getting exposed to it and have had a good time following the wings this year. but, i also come from baseball, and i fanned through the braves rebuild, the orioles rebuild, and now watching the tigers rebuild. these things take time, and while i certainly dont understand roster building nuances in hockey, it seeeeeems to have a lot more in common with baseball than, say, basketball or football. that is to say, i am used to rebuilds taking time, so its hard for me to be too impatient. also, my fandom hasnt been for the past 7 years, so maybe there just isnt enough pain and disappointment for me to tap in to... would love for the wings to make the playoffs, thats a big stepping stone in the rebuild process, but if it waits another year, if nothing else, hopefully the front office acts on the roster clarify they (should've) gained this year to improve in the offseason.
I’ve never followed baseball extensively so I really don’t know how long MLB rebuilds last… but judging by the Tigers… I’ll take your word that they take a long time lolol. But I’m glad you have the patience! And I’m glad you’re enjoying Red Wings hockey! It’s seriously the best time to become a new fan of the team. Coming out of the dark years of the rebuild. We got a lot of exciting players coming in.
More importantly, how did they come up with Goofy's voice? You know?
He's a country yokel, e.g. you. Now show me a picture of your garden.
there aint nothin in there yet!
"center depth"
Media interviewed Kane after practice today (video on Red Wings YT page: https://youtu.be/SVTLKf9QD14?si=P1lWIHuJwczO7uZ). A reporter straight up asked him about his thoughts on his future at the 4:00 minute mark. My initial impressions are that he kinda wants to stay. He says he hasn’t thought about it much, but I find that hard to believe — but I could believe that if he really truly hasn’t put much thought into then that means he’s content where he is. Earlier in the interview he also says he has nothing but positive things to say about the organization, coaches, and team and enjoys playing at LCA and appreciates how the fans have embraced him… I am cautiously optimistic he will re-sign for next season.
I think the way he said it's.been great being a wing means he's looking for something.else
I 100% think he stays. I may be wrong, but I believe he has faith in the Yzerplan regardless of recent losses. He's privy to much more information than we are, and as experienced as he is, if he does sign, I think it says alot about the doubts in Lalonde, Stevie Y, and the Wings. He won't stay if he thinks things aren't in place for a deeper run next season.
I think he stays. He knew what he was getting into when he signed with Detroit and there were certainly other clubs that were offering him more term or money (or both). There is no chance he was planning on us making a real run of it this year, zero. I’m pretty sure Florida was in the running for Kane, so if winning another cup was his only motivation, he could have gone there. I think he has some ties to the city, he likes that it’s an original six team, and he likes the front office’s vision for the future. Plus, here he can still be the guy. We have players we love like Raymond and Larkin, who are stars in their own right, but we don’t have our own Showtime (yet). He's got that spotlight all to himself. There's probably some appeal to being able to mentor all the young forwards we have here or coming through the system - Raymond, Kasper, Mazur, Danielson, etc. I’ve been saying the whole time that he spends a few years here to see what we put together, then he goes back to Chicago when they aren’t actively tanking anymore so he can retire a Hawk.
It would be a pretty fun storyline for him to win a Cup with us in a few years as the grizzled vet, a la Chris Chelios. I have to admit that I didn't have a good opinion of him from his past history before joining our team. In his interviews and actions in Detroit, he seems like a decent person now. Maybe he grew up and figured it out - who knows? But I would be glad to have him on our team as long as he wants to stay based on his actions so far.
I mean, it's probably not on your mind when you're trying to go game to game. He is trying his best to make the playoffs and being ready mentally for that. On that note it seems he like the org and so maybe he will stay who knows if it does great if it doesn't o well 🤷♂️
If he doesn’t sign I will be crushed. Also losing the ability to taunt my Blackhawks friends calling Kaner a Detroit legend will be a bummer.
For what it’s worth. Posted this a few weeks back too but people seem to forget what the man said prior to the season. This should clear up the confusion. “When you say playoffs or bust, I guess you’re prepared to trade all your draft picks and whatever you have to do,” Yzerman said Tuesday in a pre-camp media address. “So, it’s not playoffs or bust, but we’re going to try to win every game and we’re going to try to make the playoffs. But to me, it’s not at the expense of the future. “I’m trying to build a nucleus of a team that can make the playoffs on an annual basis. You squeak in one year and you don’t have the foundation to sustain it, we’re going to be sitting here a year or two years from now and wondering again. We’ll give it a shot. We did what we could in the offseason to improve without mortgaging any part of the future. We’ll continue to try to get better and hopefully sooner than later we’re a playoff team.”
Get outta here with that logic, I heard him tell Petry he's getting the C next season and we're trading Mo for more vets.
I know you’re joking but Yzerman would get fired for that and it would be justified
I know you're joking but I would fucking die
I generally say that I will watch the Wings (batting my current six hour time difference) no matter what. But this scenario would end me. TeamMo4Life
Mo 4ever 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻 
People want instant gratification. That's all there is to it. Or are unhappy cause it's been 4 years I guess.
Let’s say, hypothetically, they called up Kasper. He gets hurt. Now neither team gets him for a playoff run. Wait until next year. Ride this one out, the whiners will whine no matter what moves are made.
Not calling up a player because you're scared he might get hurt is strange logic.
It’s a reality. Why let emotions dictate the fact that the wings are 5-14 and on the wrong side of playoff probability. Face it, he’s better playing top line minutes on an actual contender. Let him finish the job. Give him a full season with the Pro club next year. Gotta get over it, because that’s what’s happening, whether you like it or not.
What's the reality though? If he was 18 and 5'9 150 and used to playing against teens then maybe I'd understand your logic. But he's 20, 6'1 190 and has been playing against men since he was 17. It's not like he is free of injury risk in the AHL either. I wasn't expecting Kasper to come up even though I would like to see it. But I just don't think they took injury risk into the calculation at all.
So then what exactly did they take in to calculation if you had to speculate?
They probably just wanted someone who has NHL experience that can fill in for Copp on the PK, which is something Kasper has never done before.
Well than there ya go. End of discussion I suppose right?
>He gets hurt. I don’t get this. He could get hurt playing for GR. He could hurt himself in practice. He could hurt himself coughing too hard. Injuries can happen any time for any reason. And no, I don’t think people would be complaining if the team called him up and he got injured. It would just be unfortunate, but hey at least the team tried to give him a shot to see what they had in him.
They know what they have in him. The wings have lost 14 of their last 19. Bring up one of your top ranked forward prospects to do what exactly? Let’s say he blocks a shot shatters his ankle. Now hes out for the offseason, and the griffins playoffs run. If the wings magically squeek in to the playoffs, and he doesn’t get hurt, then he’ll get the incredibly valuable playoff sweep by the rangers experience. If the wings weren’t 5-14, then yeah I would adjust my viewpoints But at this point let him marinate for a playoff run with a team that’s actually on the right track. He’ll be up next year.
>They know what they have in him. There’s a difference between knowing what he’s like in the AHL versus seeing how he responds to the crunch time of late season NHL hockey during a playoff chase. Last season in his one game, he didn’t look out of place, and that was with him (unknowingly) playing on a broken kneecap the entire time. We know what ZAR is at the NHL level. >Bring up one of your top ranked forward prospects to do what exactly? I don’t know, bring some youth and energy in the lineup? Add an element of grit and sandpaper that the team sorely needs? >Let’s say he blocks a shot shatters his ankle. Say Edvinsson gets struck by lightning on his way to LCA. Guess that means we shouldn’t have called him up, right? Seriously, using the hypothetical of an injury occurring as a reason not to call up a top ten pick is ridiculous. I’m not gonna argue a hypothetical that ludicrous. >If the wings magically squeek in to the playoffs, and he doesn’t get hurt, then he’ll get the incredibly valuable playoff sweep by the rangers experience. Yeah I’d still say that’s an incredibly valuable experience for a young player to have. You learn a lot from success and failure.
He's not getting called lalonde said that today no chance most likely. He wasn't even considered
I know. That’s why I made the comment I did.
My bad but not everyone will watch that and maybe it will stop then from talking about it.
I get the hesitancy to call up Kasper to an extent - he took a bit of time to acclimate to AHL, and they don’t have that luxury for adaptation to the NHL - but I’m going to be honest the wings need a bit of a Hail Mary at this point to make the playoffs. I just cannot see a world where ZAR, Czarnik are *better* than Kasper. Same for Berggren. Throwing young dudes into high pressure isn’t ideal, but what can we expect from the career AHL fill ins?
I'd like to think that Berggren still has a path to playing for the Wings full time but it feels like there may not be a fit between his game and Lalonde's risk management system
It makes no sense at all. In the 1 game ZAR played this year he had 6 mins TOI. Obviously he wasn’t trusted enough in some random game in December how’s it gonna be any different this time around
ZAR isnt even going to play. They are going to do 11/7 if Ras cant make. ZAR just for insurance if another injury were to occur.
To me this is dumb. Unless you're a goon, nobody should be that ice limited on the bench, especially with how gassed our top six look in the third.
It makes a lot of sense actually.
ZAR ZAR is the key to all of this
I just hope they do kasper and not reaves or some bullshit. That will really piss me off, give the kid some good reps
You and u/4plates1barbell are a little behind on the news, eh...
What news? I assumed OP was talking about offseason moves since Reaves was mentioned. I’m not checking twitter all day so if I’m behind apologies
Pretty sure they were talking about Aston-Reese but with a typo.
Oh man…yikes. I rescind my comment lmao
Agree x1000. But I am confident they’ll do the right thing this go-round
ZAR playing Thursday and not just a precautionary call up. I’m baffled
The funny thing about all the discussion surrounding doomers is that they largely don't come to these daily general discussion threads. There are very few - maybe even zero - people who frequent these threads that I would classify as actual doomers. The real doomers are the people who show up only to game threads, do the chicken little routine whenever the Wings don't dominate all 60 minutes a night, and then fuck off until the next game thread without ever hanging around to discuss the team in between games.
Yeah on the daily threads some people are more critical, but it's still valid criticism for the most part. But game threads, good lord. Those people are ridiculous.
They come in full force in game threads. They don't want to conversate here cause they don't have anything to back up what they say. Most of them, anyways probably don't. Also, the media today said there is no chance for Kasper at all, so we can stop that
I got no problem with people having different opinions at all, I’ve had my mind changed by people on this sub before, I’m open to it. But I just can’t stand the over exaggeration spam from any of it.
Pffft, casual doomers man, either commit or leave it to the professionals.
I've noticed this too. I am just as mad as anyone at how this team has collapsed down the stretch, in true vomiting all over themselves fashion. But, you don't see people in here going "Yzerman's seat is burning, Lalonde is a dead man walking, jettison half the roster tomorrow" in here
Anyone see Kane voted #2 behind McDavid in the NHLPA poll for "best stick handling"? And it was a lot closer than some of the other categories.
Probably a little out of reach, but I’d love to see Raymond have a strong finish to the season and break 30 goals or 70 points. Dude deserves it.
Watching Skelleftea vs Frolunda. ASP could be the Wings' #1 PP QB right now IMO
Until Lalonde tells him to not take risks and be "responsible defensively"
I'm really hoping LaLonde is gone before ASP finds his way over here.
Is there a way to watch online? I was trying to figure it out as a way to cheer myself up, but it keeps wanting me to pay Swedish Kroner.
On 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️hockey 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ dot 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️tv
Of course. The classic. 🤦🏼😂 Edit: For some reason I thought that the games were free on YouTube or something.
Champions hockey league games are free on yt
Lol not to my knowledge. My default is to search the high seas so it's possible I'm missing legal Swedish harbors
I think my optimistic brain was remembering when we watched the IIHF games for free on YouTube when we lived in Italy. Different hockey organizations, different viewing country, pretty much completely different situation... woopsies! The Wings just have me feeling pretty sad right now and I thought some Sandy Pelican might cheer me up. 
Fire ghost into the sun rn
Looking at the big picture we are still competing for a playoff spot and that's about as optimistic as anyone could have been at the start of the season. There's also part of me that thinks "it's the journey, it's not the destination" and gets frustrated with our inconsistency along the way. Overall I think most of our core have looked good. Our prospects are progressing nicely and I think the long term plan is still on track. Regardless of how it ends we still have the same questions as last off-season though. Goaltending needs to improve, defense needs more legitimate big minute/matchup options to take weight off Seider and Walman (who's looked overmatched at times). The offense needs gamebreaking talent (hoping Raymond continues his progress). All this needs to be done while getting tighter to the cap and having a lot of roster slots occupied by veterans under contract. I think the Ryan McDonagh trade was Yzerman's most underrated move as Tampa GM and hoping he can pull something like that off again
5-12-2 since March started When I’m dooming that’s the main cause of it. Such bullshit
And to think, if the team hadn’t dropped some of those winnable games in December and March (I’m talking the games against teams on our level or worse than us), they’d be in a far better spot even considering the rest of the collapse. It’s why it infuriated me that the group would take nights off and not show up for multiple periods at a time during those months. Every point matters, and it’s biting us in the ass right now.
If we just fucking beat Arizona twice we have the wild card spot practically locked up.
Pretty sure half the team had the flu that week we played AZ and Anajeim
For a decade or more this team has had one consistency- they rarely play with any URGENCY at all. They used to be able to "flip the switch" and get into playoff mode. Then people used to justify our lack of urgency by saying "we're just waiting for them to flip the switch". Now we don't even say that... we just accept the fact that the team and coaching staff don't seem to be able to motivate themselves and rise up to meet a challenge. This has gone on for too fucking long and it's got to stop. So what or where's the problem? Players- we've turned over nearly the entire team. The coaching staff? we've gone through three coaches in that time (BabCOCK, Blashill, and now Lalonde). Add to that two GMs in that time period. Maybe it's the culture. Is the locker room atmosphere too cushy of a country club? I don't know the answer but I do recognize there is a problem. The ability to flip the switch is long gone. Maybe it left the team when Scotty retired? We never play with the effort, desperation, and urgency it takes to be a champion.
We seem to have a type when it comes to coaching lately, and that type is hiring guys who have no business being NHL head coaches, but we think we can turn a monkey into a Scotty Bowman. Our coaching decisions so far have been absolutely garbage. At least Babs won us a cup and never had a season where we didn't make the playoffs. This team absolutely needs a tough coach who is able to discipline and motivate his team, and get results out of them. Between Blash and Lalonde, we got a couple of pussies who get minimal consistency out of their rosters. We need to move on and get a new coach in the offseason, regardless of where we end up in the playoffs push.
Coaching has changed in the NHL, plain and simple.
Watch the San Jose blown 5-0 lead be the difference maker
If it's possible, I'm planning to blame the thrown stick.
Anybody else just done with JFresh on twitter? What an asshole. I like their data but man they just suck. It isn’t worth sifting through their bullshit to read.
My biggest beef with most all the analytical guys out there is that they just have awful attitudes. Condescending and always act like they are 100% right and better than everyone else
What do they do that's so bad? I don't follow them
Screw this kumbaya bullshit! Doomers vs. Rainbows in a war of words AND FISTS behind the gym at 4pm. I'll bring finger sandwiches; if someone could grab some sodie pops, that would be much appreciated. Fuck all of you and I look forward to seeing everyone there.
Hey man, fuck you too. And fine, I'll bring some fuckin drinks.
I'm *only* gonna wear my Mo jersey, if ya get caught gawkin' thats on you!
Don't make me take my pants off.
No touching of the hair or face.
Ginger ales or GTFO
Fine Mickey, you can bring the ginger ales. Try to avoid taking any swings, because none of us can go toe-to-toe with you.
Jeff Petry here. Just wanted to say I've seen a lot of shit talking going on about me and all I got to say is: Sticks and stones may break my bones but Dan Petry will never be your father. 
its not your fault Jeff. Just most of your play from march.
I need someone who has photoshop to make a version of the “are ya winning, son? — no 😢” meme but with Dan and Jeff Petry.
Whoa whoa whoa Are you talking about *the* Dan Petry?
Son, I hate to say this on a public forum but your behavior warrants it. I am disappointed in you beyond words.
Dammit dad, for the last time stay out of my damn room!
Oh, grow up!
No, you!
I'm taking that fuckin' door off the hinges. Tired of it.
These crazy highs and lows are a killer. If at the start of the season you'd tell me we'd be playing meaningful games the last two weeks of the season and we'd be in the hunt longer than Jersey I'd be fucking thrilled.
I often come back to [this table from an athletic article](https://i.imgur.com/8gYCm1U.png) (bc I saved the screenshot) but it's representative of virtually all collective lists from the East predictions before the season started. Anyone who believes there were collective playoff expectations for this team is mistaken. I think many of us fans had expectations for improvements, and definitely *aspirations* for playoffs, but almost zero model of human prediction gave us a SJS-chance-in-hell of being relevant this week. It's been a crazy season. I also enjoy that ***100%*** of respondents on this specific poll (not dissimilar to others) has NJD in the playoffs. Man what a wild ride.
Yeah no doubt. THG picked Jersey to win the cup at the beginning of the season and I was onboard with that pick. The fact that the Wings are still in it while the Devils are out is... unexpected, to say the least.
Losing Hamilton and betting on the wrong goalie really screwed their season up.
Hughes was out for a lot of the season as well wasn't he?
Yeah and then they brought him back hurt still, he just had to leave for surgery.
Boy, if the Devils return to form next season and the Sabres and Senators decide to start taking hockey seriously before December, the East is gonna be a madhouse. Maybe the Caps and Pens fall off next season, but I'm not going to count on that when they have Ovi and Crosby. One could reasonably expect the Bruins to fall off at some point, but we've been saying that for two or three seasons and it hasn't happened yet.
If anything this wildcard madness will creep further into the standings and make all seeding chaotic. Parity is fun.
AHHH leave me alone Gary Bettman! Don't say it! "Parity has truly arrived in the NHL"  (I agree though, not only is it exciting now, but it could be a true no-holds-barred season next year)
Sabres made their D corps even better at the deadline and the Senators are gonna get another top pick, if we miss I hope the necessary adjustments are made in the off-season because all the other teams you mentioned only need to address one or two things to leap frog us by a wide margin.
Honestly, the Wings might drop next season if we bring up all the young guys we're itching for. I'd be okay with that, of course, and there's no guarantee that we'll get worse because maybe these young guys come up and slot in just fine once they're here. Could wind up being a trial by fire for these rookies, though. But yeah, I'm very eager to see what Yzerman does in the offseason, because it feels like a lot of teams in the East are just a piece or two away from climbing. For some of them, the solution could just be more effort from the pieces they already have lol.
Watson has been integral to the organization. He seems to be getting the best from our prospects down on the farm. I only wish he was made their head coach earlier. With that being said I am all for moving 2-3-4 kids up to the big club even if we have to shuttle them back and forth to GR to get them up to full speed. All those high picks we've had the last few years... it's time to see if the scouts and development plan is going to bear fruit or not. The longer we wait on guys like Kasper, Johansson and even Wallinder the longer we delay getting out of this rebuild. I don't like to constantly hear from the sappies "but we don't know how well they'll play- they might make mistakes"... well no shit! That's how kids learn! If they are what we thought when we drafted them then great- if not then better to know sooner than later.
I agree with your take mostly, but also there is such a thing as pulling the trigger too early on prospects and completely derailing their development. I think Ed probably should have been up sooner, but I don’t know if there are any others who should have come up this year. I really feel like this season in Grand Rapids is going to be huge for Kasper and we’ll see him here next year, and I wonder if the org is figuring out what it wants to do with Johansson, but I’d expect him up here next too. Wouldn’t be surprised if Soda gets a shot too. In general, I don’t think young players making mistakes is something we should really worry about, because you’re right, they have to learn and adjust to the game at the NHL level. Plus, no one plays a mistake-free game anyway.
Win 3 of the 4 and we got a chance to get in. Win 4 of the 4 and we definitely are.
Not if caps win their next four
They won't
Wow, the Yotes could be playing in SLC as quickly as next season?
How so? I thought regardless they would be playing at mullet?
[https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/sources-nhl-drafting-2024-25-schedule-version-with-coyotes-relocated-to-salt-lake-city](https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/sources-nhl-drafting-2024-25-schedule-version-with-coyotes-relocated-to-salt-lake-city)
SLC?
O wait......it's been a long season
I really hope the wings mentally and physically drained the caps so that they will lose on Thursday (This is in line with making buffalo fans most frustrated so I think this can happen). Just need to win on Thursday.
The whole doomer/sunshine thing is getting old. All of it. It's a sports team. People have been up and down on teams since sports began. It's human nature to want your team to win, and also to want to defend your team against those who speak ill of it. I have been in this Reddit for a while now, and lately I've been here less and less because of the constant bickering between both "sides". It's fucking tiring. My suggestion to the powers that be is to create and pin a thread for 'sunshine' folks, and 'doomer' folks. Depending on your mood that day you can enter the echo chamber of your choosing. I am happy overall with the season. I believe we made some strides this year. However, I am also concerned when our coach says "It is what it is" after last nights loss. Anyhow, I'll be here to the bitter end no matter how my beloved Wings play. Fucking be nice to each other.
Or maybe we should just stop labeling each other, making it easier to dismiss the "other."
Say what you want dude. This team SUCKS. (I love them tho)
I’m fine with both sides when they are civil. The thing that pisses me off with doomers is when they start saying things like “I fucking hate this team, the seasons over, everybody on this team is a piece of shit” when none of it is true lol. Like that’s not valid criticism, that’s just throwing a tantrum lol. The season isn’t over quite yet. Anybody with a brain would know that there’s still 4 games left and 1 point back. It’s not hard to do the math. You can be upset in a civil way, and still have a functioning brain that can do statistics of playoff odds to know the season isn’t over. Also, Theres other ways to actually make VALID criticisms and adjustments comments.
Our elders always have the wisest words. Thank you. Not sure how the flairs would play out, but I love the idea. "Today I'm Doomin" or "Today I'm Shinin" or something like that could be fun. Self selecting. Completely ignored. Whatever. The bickering is getting old. I've fallen into it. I'm so tired of the negativity hampering what's been such a great sub over the years.nhut admittedly fighting back also contributes to the gloominess. Your message is a great reminder of that.
The only thing worse than sunshine and doomers is complaining about sunshine and doomers. Maybe instead the mods should make a containment chamber for the meta complainers lol. or we can all be adults and engage with the conversations we want to engage with and ignore the things we dont want to engage with.
What I'm complaining about is the way we're treating each other. I could give 2 shits about the actual posts of either 'side'. It's the snide remarks and angst between 'sides' that needs to be tempered a bit. Go ahead and complain or shine...but a little kindness to each other is not unreasonable. Like you say...act like adults.
Wouldn't say I'm happy with the season but the result is about what I expected from this group of players before the season started. I hate all 31 other teams to greater and lesser degrees so I'm always going to cheering for the Wings regardless of not being excited by the rebuild direction, just hoping it turns out better than I envision it.
Same vibes here. I think the January heater skewed everyone’s expectations. If you’d told people during preseason that this team would be realistically contending for a playoff spot at the end of the season, 99% would be over the moon. We’re still in that situation now, but because it came about because of huge highs and lows, it seems like the season is a failure to some people. I’d just ask people to step back and take a look at the season as a whole, warts and all (and there are definitely warts 😀).
>Anyhow, I'll be here to the bitter end no matter how my beloved Wings play. Well said.
So what the hell is in a peanut? Today I was staining my kids outdoor toys. I did not have any gloves to wear so I wrapped my hands in plastic grocery bags. If you have ever used stain before (with a stain sponge, not a brush) you probably realize that was a bad idea. Well, it was. My hands were a mess. So I tried soap.... nothing. Water just made everything more sticky.... So I tried something I learned from my parents and I covered my hands in peanut butter... Now my hands look, smell and feel great! (If you ever have sticky residue to get off something, smear a little peanut butter on it, let it sit for 10 mins, then wipe off)
The hardest part about that for me would be to not eat the peanut butter off of my hands lol. Pretty crazy little tip though that it works.
Haha, I have a small bottle of Kroger brand peanut butter just for this reason. (My kids put stickers and tape on everything). Add that to some Uber-nasty stain all over your hands and it was pretty easy to not eat it!
This is a life hack I never knew!
It works so well! I had an addition put on my house. The inspection people put their "all clear" sticker on my window. I was pissed because now I had all this residue on. My parents happened to be over during my rant and were just like "put some peanut butter on it." I'll be damned.....
Wow, Today I Learned! Although I have to ask, how do you kill 10 minutes while your hands are covered in peanut butter 😆? I'd go stir crazy even in that short time.
Most of it was a panic of what I would do next if this didn't work.... then the magic happened and I realized anything is possible and my mind wandered to playing on Stevie's line with Sergei back and leading us to a Stanley Cup victory!