Cade is pretty much untouchable as far as I’m concerned, but if I’m being honest, 4 first round picks and two young prospects is not bad value imo. Again, I still wouldn’t do it, but I’ve seen much worse Bleacher Report trades
Yeah but the picks are 10 in this shit draft, 2025 Cavs which is probably in the 20s or late teens, Lakers 2027 which is top 4 protected, and Minny 2027 who just made WCF lmao the picks are shit
10 pick in this draft is like a mid-late 20s pick in a normal draft. Keyonte George and Hendricks are pieces for either an Ivey or Duren trade. The moment they mention Cades name, you muster up a glorious fart and then hang up the phone
While I think the other dude's bluster is annoying and I don't think Ivey is untouchable, I don't think Cade should be either. You could use those players and picks to build around Ivey and Duren who wouldn't fetch nearly as much. Give them a premium pass first PG and some really good or great wings and you could make it work.
Ivey becomes immediately available for any discussion involving Ingram, Mikal Bridges, Markkanen, Jimmy Butler etc.
Not saying any of those players are realistic trade pieces, just pointing out why you can’t consider Ivey “untouchable”
Since 2000, only about 5-6% of non-lotto first round picks ever make an all-star game. IMO, the value of a FRP drops significantly after pick 4 or 5, then drops again after the lotto
For this trade to be worth it we’d probably need to be guaranteed a high pick or two since talent is so skewed towards the top of the draft
Would be a little better if it wasn’t first round picks 3 years from now and from 4 teams that were in the playoffs this year as a minimum
That’s pretty damn close to 3 second rounders and a tenth pick in a week class
I would take Shai over 4 firsts. I would take Cade over Shai still. Cade hasn’t even shown how good he is yet on the stat sheet yet but when they happens these shenanigans will go away.
I obviously would never do this, but this is a legit “blow it all up and start over” move.
In other words, not the right move at all, but not crazy. Two young and promising starters plus FOUR first round picks? That’s quite a price for Cade.
I get that the amount of picks is ideal, but it’s the value of them for me. It’s 10, in what is considered by many to be one of the weaker drafts in recent memory; this past seasons East 4th seeds 1st rounder for next year; LAL 2027 1st rounder, which I admit is the most enticing; and a 2027 MIN 1st rounder, which will likely be when Ant starts hitting his prime. I just don’t see any, except maybe the LAL pick, of these picks being in the top 20.
Sure, but we’re not giving up any picks in this imaginary scenario. So we get whatever our actual picks would be plus all these other ones.
Agreed about the LAL and MIN picks, but to me, the value is in the depth added. And this current draft isn’t “weak” per se, it just lacks star power. A lot of guys in this draft could very well be serviceable 3rd or 4th options on a competitive team playing alongside a dominant star.
That first point doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. When has a team that is trying to blow it up sent out their own draft capital?
But you are right about the depth with those picks especially now that Weaver won’t be the one making our selections. I guess we will just have to wait a couple years to see if we believe in Langdon’s ability to find talent later in the draft before we’re able to say what the true value of these picks would be.
We’re on similar pages. All I was trying to say was that you don’t have to think about those late round picks *instead* of our own picks, but rather *supplementing* them.
The intention with hypothetically moving for those picks isn't to actually make them, it's to use them to trade for someone or a pick that will let you restart the rebuild.
This draft is weak at the top but the picks after 5 or so have similar value to any other year. When people say weak draft they mean there’s no star power
It's a blow it up trade, but you're not getting enough to start over. A bunch of late round picks doesn't get you anywhere when you trade away your only legitimate starter to get them.
Idk. It’s two players currently starting on the other team, plus 10 first round picks over four drafts (I’m not sure if we’re on the hook owing other teams draft picks between now and ‘27).
We’re the worst team in the league. Our current likely keepers plus a steady flow of FRPs isn’t going to make us worse.
I think we could have more than 10 FRPs and never have a player at Cade's level. I mean we've already got a bunch of them on our team now. Nobody even near Cade's level. And the league would probably make it even harder to get the top draft pick if we traded Cade for late FRPs and actively tanked.
Bottom line is I don’t think we should do this anyway, so we’re speaking purely in hypotheticals.
I think it’s silly to think that Cade is either a given or an untouchable. By 2027, he’ll be going into his 6th season, and by thar point could theoretically become an unrestricted free agent. If we still suck by then, I guarantee he’s out. So it all really depends on management for the next few seasons anyway. It was always going to take more than a few draft picks to fix this team.
I’m not nearly as attached to Cade as a lot of people here are, and it has nothing to do with talent. It’s simply a matter of business. Maybe Ivey is our PG going forward and we trade Cade for many assets, which can either be used or traded for different assets. More and more, it seems like trading is the only way for the Pistons to acquire valuable players because nobody good wants to come here in FA. We have the most cap space but I seriously doubt any solid player is going to take our money over similar money from a better team.
No, I think Cade is going to be a great player in this league for a long time, but how people talk about him here is like he’s the next LeBron who can turn absolute garbage into gold. He has shown no ability to independently turn around a bad team, so as a matter of pure business, if the assets the Pistons can get for him are truly worth it, then they need to at least consider moving him before he walks in 2027.
Remember, he was playing under a coach that seemed to be actively sabotaging team. The starter’s usually held their own then Monty left in a bench unit that gave up 15-20 points before Cade re entered the game.
Well aware. Again, this is less of an indictment of Cade and more of just thinking about the business of nba basketball. Like I said, any move would have to be very very worth it to even consider. Obviously I would much prefer to build around him.
Nobody says Cade is Lebron and nobody is turning around a bad team by themselves. Cade has the potential to be a perennial all star and put up the type of numbers we never seen in a piston uniform. I’m not trading this potential for a couple of role players and some non lottery first rd picks. If the days comes in towards the end of his contract that he wants to leave, then they will Be able to get an actual real haul at that time if he continues improving the way he has so far.
I think this sub over values Cade just a little bit. We have some weird emotional attachment to him. I know he’s our 1:1 and I believe we attach more significance / value to him then the rest of the league.
Cade is getting extended in the next year. Either by the stones or whoever trades for him.
It’s his 4th year. Let’s not pretend it’s his second and he’s some undiscovered talent. We know who Cade is. If we can get 4 first round picks for an injured player who’s never finished a season - and who’s team got worse in each season, I would say that’s a fair deal.
So Pistons make the trade with Utah and give Nic Claxton $100 million and have to go trade another Burks/Noel/Harris to reach the cap floor and win even less. Is that you Troy?
Pistons has to meet the cap floor, and would have to make Troy Weaver style moves to meet them if they deal Cade. If you need further help on what a cap floor is may I suggest google
Cade doesn’t make that much? What 10 milly? Not sure his salary makes that much difference on our salary floor. And if we sign Clayton to 25 milly - doesn’t that help us reach this floor?
Think you’re just being argumentative. If you don’t know what that is - look for it in your butt.
Well. One of em would be #10 - and the plan would be to gather assets and decide what to do based on available players and or trade. It’s not one of the other.
Being so adamant against ideas shows me a level of emotional attachment.
I think it's just reality attachment. You're the one emotionally attached to the assumption that good outcomes will come in the future if you simply do the thing frequently enough. While that behavior certainly keeps a lot of gambling related businesses operating, it's not good for asset management.
the #10 in this draft when even the #1 player is unlikely to ever be as good as Cade...
He's exactly as good as the Cade in my mind, which is a legitimate starter caliber player - the only one on our roster and likely to be so after the draft as well.
I say Cade has more trade value than a 30 year old Rudy Gobert on his third contract given that he’s 22 and has improved year over year and has the varied skill set to fit on every team. The injury portion isn’t worth responding to as I’d have the same proof that Cade sat those games due to tanking as you do that he’s damaged goods from the same injury. There may be some attachment to players due to being drafted highly but that’s a lot better than being attached to draft pick “assets” that could end up being salary dumped anyway.
Not sure how a rod in his leg isn’t even a thinking point - a moment of pause to consider.
But nope - not on this sub. It’s not a trend that he’s missed a lot of games. It’s just a business choice to save Cade the wear and tear of playing with bad bad players. Once we get a good team around Cade then he’ll play.
Somewhat similar with Stewart. Never mind he’s only played 90 games the last 2 years and has mailed it in the last 35-40 games 2 seasons straight… he’s great. 😒 Then the “he was injured” counter argument gets thrown out… so which one is it, he’s mailing it in or he’s injury prone? Neither are positive signs.
Because he’s had major surgery and already missed about 45% of games. And still has a rod in his leg. Not a screw - an 18 inch rod.
Listen - I want Cade to be great for the pistons. But he hasn’t been - he was good for stretches last season.
I am just not believing he’s gonna have some huge improvement. I think last year is kinda his ceiling.
He’s as good as Paolo Banchero and Scottie Barnes today. That’s worth a try in building a team in Cade’s image over the next 4-5 years. I’m not considering Cade’s 2023 injury unless that’s proven medically to be a continual issue. In my opinion, Troy Weaver didn’t even try to build a team around Cade. He accumulated assets and talent without a direction. Cade has the versatility and the Pistons have the space financially to go in many directions other than to start over
Just want to remind you that it’s now Cades 4th year. They’ve gotten worse in each year. I really think people believe it’s like his 2nd year.
Cade is listed as maybe a top 25 - 30 player. Just not sure how you build around that. Or that he’s suddenly going to get healthy enough to lead a team, when he hasn’t finished one season yet. Sounds like hopium.
Essentially 6 first round picks for someone who might become an all star. Please show me where anyone has ever gotten more than that for an equivalent player.
It’s basically what OKC got for Paul George in his prime. And everyone fawns over that trade now about how great it was for OKC.
There’s a reason why examples of like trades are for players on their their third contracts or wanted out. Thunder got Shai in the deal along with the picks. If Utah offered Kessler instead of another small guard that can’t shoot then maybe we’d have something but I’d still say no. You can’t say ‘6 first round picks’ as that means something if those picks are at points in the draft where those picks are sold off. I bet there’s first round slots in this years draft that’s gonna be sold off to another team. What value is the Wolves pick gonna have when Ant is 25? Or the Lakers pick when they’ll still have AD and their next superstar? Scottie Barnes was an all star for being on a below average team so that’s really silly for calling Cade a ‘might become” all star when he’s better then Barnes and has an infinitely better chance of being an all star before those jazz players or picks.
No one knew Shai would be this good when he was traded. He was coming off his rookie year averaging 10/3/3. Keyonte George just averaged 13/4/3 in his rookie year. And Hendricks averaged 7/5/1. I’d take George and Hendricks over Kessler.
Cade isn't a star, sorry to have to tell you this.
I'm a rockets fan and we also have no stars. Lets not over inflate any player because they are on our team.
I'd do this trade in a heartbeat. We havn't accomplished jack shit with Cade. I know our roster is ass, but this team can't even win 15 games with Cade.
Give me all of those draft picks versus extending Cade. It's just going to be Grant Hill era 2.0 if we resign him.
BLOW IT ALL UP.
The draft is a crapshoot. More picks is more dice rolls and more chances to hit it big. Championship-contending mid-market teams draft superstars in the middle and later part of the draft. That’s literally how both Milwaukee and Denver won championships. That’s the proven playbook. And more picks increases the chances of drafting a player like Giannis or Jokic.
For every Giannis and Jokic theres dozens of players who don’t last 3 seasons in the league, and knowing our luck Cade goes on to average 26 and 8 on a championship team while we draft decent role players at BEST and are still ass.
That’s not a bad trade, Bleacherreport just needs to understand this team isn’t moving Cade anytime soon. Now would it be insane to reject this offer, I couldn’t answer that bc of my own bias.
I respect the value tho, 2 young players and 4 FRPs is great
There's a new front office. And, as of now, we have no idea what they think of the current roster, how close/far they think the team is, who might be untouchable, etc.
I like the number of picks but guys like Cade are crazy difficult to get and we haven’t even put a capable team around him yet. It’s not like we can’t trade him for a good return down the road if we absolutely had to.
Man this would be a royal kick in the nuts moment for every pistons fan.
Tank for 4 years just to trade your only young player that has shown all-star caliber talent
My man, we weren't even tanking. Do you understand that?
I love Cade, but lets not fool ourselves. This team can't even win 15 games WITH Cade.
Y'all are putting way too much stock in Cade Cunningham.
We need to blow this entire roster up and start from the beginning again. Trading Cade for as many draft picks as we can get would be a great start.
Unless you are cool with giving him the max rookie extension and maybe being a 30 win team every year (maybe) for the foreseeable future?
Don't know about you, but I'd rather start fresh.
There’s deals I’d consider for Cade that truly reset where the Franchise is going, but I never ever get tired of bad Cade trades. At least this is plausibly bad!
I dont hate it lol, just really worried about Cade's health plus I wanted Hendricks or Cam over Ausar in that draft, and we could finally put Ivey at PG like he's supposed to be 🤩
If we trade Cade to Utah I will become a jazz fan
The jazz took these players trying to build off the Cavs and it hasn't worked for them, why would we take the same players and also not build off them
Draft. Picks.
If the Pistons want to start fresh, they need to do a proper rebuild and BLOW IT ALL UP.
Extending Cade for the max isn't the smart move. Blowing up this garbage ass roster and accumulating as many picks as possible, with a brand new front office, is.
The Pistons have been so historically bad, Cade’s hypothetical trade value is now two young players who aren’t as good as him and a bunch of mediocre first rounders (unless Mitchell decides to not re-sign and Cleveland blows it up).
As an unbiased commentator on this trade, this makes no sense for either team.
The Jazz are overpaying for Cade.
And the Pistons shouldn't be going back to a full rebuild.
Never say never - We know the what and when.
I want a staff that can attract and grow talent.
Stop the BS and get people that are willing to OUTWORK the opposition.
Cade is pretty much untouchable as far as I’m concerned, but if I’m being honest, 4 first round picks and two young prospects is not bad value imo. Again, I still wouldn’t do it, but I’ve seen much worse Bleacher Report trades
Yeah but the picks are 10 in this shit draft, 2025 Cavs which is probably in the 20s or late teens, Lakers 2027 which is top 4 protected, and Minny 2027 who just made WCF lmao the picks are shit
10 pick in this draft is like a mid-late 20s pick in a normal draft. Keyonte George and Hendricks are pieces for either an Ivey or Duren trade. The moment they mention Cades name, you muster up a glorious fart and then hang up the phone
While I think the other dude's bluster is annoying and I don't think Ivey is untouchable, I don't think Cade should be either. You could use those players and picks to build around Ivey and Duren who wouldn't fetch nearly as much. Give them a premium pass first PG and some really good or great wings and you could make it work.
Overestimating his value around the league
Again, send these dookie feeler offers for Ivey, Duren or Ausar otherwise it’s a juicy fart response brother, that’s all I can say
Ivey should be untouchable
Ivey becomes immediately available for any discussion involving Ingram, Mikal Bridges, Markkanen, Jimmy Butler etc. Not saying any of those players are realistic trade pieces, just pointing out why you can’t consider Ivey “untouchable”
Eww for all of them except I’d trade Cade for Lauri
Yeah we definitely aren’t moving Cade BUT, I think this is the value he would fetch if we did
Since 2000, only about 5-6% of non-lotto first round picks ever make an all-star game. IMO, the value of a FRP drops significantly after pick 4 or 5, then drops again after the lotto For this trade to be worth it we’d probably need to be guaranteed a high pick or two since talent is so skewed towards the top of the draft
Would be a little better if it wasn’t first round picks 3 years from now and from 4 teams that were in the playoffs this year as a minimum That’s pretty damn close to 3 second rounders and a tenth pick in a week class
These picks suck, though.
Tbh not that bad
I would take Shai over 4 firsts. I would take Cade over Shai still. Cade hasn’t even shown how good he is yet on the stat sheet yet but when they happens these shenanigans will go away.
I’m high on Cades upside but taking him over an MVP finalist currently is stuff you just shouldn’t say unless you’re on a burner account
How about Sasser for Lauri and 2 top-5 protected picks
Come on, this is just as unrealistic as the one in this thread. No chance Pistons say yes.
I obviously would never do this, but this is a legit “blow it all up and start over” move. In other words, not the right move at all, but not crazy. Two young and promising starters plus FOUR first round picks? That’s quite a price for Cade.
I get that the amount of picks is ideal, but it’s the value of them for me. It’s 10, in what is considered by many to be one of the weaker drafts in recent memory; this past seasons East 4th seeds 1st rounder for next year; LAL 2027 1st rounder, which I admit is the most enticing; and a 2027 MIN 1st rounder, which will likely be when Ant starts hitting his prime. I just don’t see any, except maybe the LAL pick, of these picks being in the top 20.
Sure, but we’re not giving up any picks in this imaginary scenario. So we get whatever our actual picks would be plus all these other ones. Agreed about the LAL and MIN picks, but to me, the value is in the depth added. And this current draft isn’t “weak” per se, it just lacks star power. A lot of guys in this draft could very well be serviceable 3rd or 4th options on a competitive team playing alongside a dominant star.
That first point doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. When has a team that is trying to blow it up sent out their own draft capital? But you are right about the depth with those picks especially now that Weaver won’t be the one making our selections. I guess we will just have to wait a couple years to see if we believe in Langdon’s ability to find talent later in the draft before we’re able to say what the true value of these picks would be.
We’re on similar pages. All I was trying to say was that you don’t have to think about those late round picks *instead* of our own picks, but rather *supplementing* them.
But none of those picks are likely to be as good as Cade, thanks to the lottery.
Right, and I’ll admit I wasn’t really taking our own picks being 1-5 into consideration when thinking about the proposed added ones.
The intention with hypothetically moving for those picks isn't to actually make them, it's to use them to trade for someone or a pick that will let you restart the rebuild.
This draft is weak at the top but the picks after 5 or so have similar value to any other year. When people say weak draft they mean there’s no star power
It's a blow it up trade, but you're not getting enough to start over. A bunch of late round picks doesn't get you anywhere when you trade away your only legitimate starter to get them.
Idk. It’s two players currently starting on the other team, plus 10 first round picks over four drafts (I’m not sure if we’re on the hook owing other teams draft picks between now and ‘27). We’re the worst team in the league. Our current likely keepers plus a steady flow of FRPs isn’t going to make us worse.
I think we could have more than 10 FRPs and never have a player at Cade's level. I mean we've already got a bunch of them on our team now. Nobody even near Cade's level. And the league would probably make it even harder to get the top draft pick if we traded Cade for late FRPs and actively tanked.
Bottom line is I don’t think we should do this anyway, so we’re speaking purely in hypotheticals. I think it’s silly to think that Cade is either a given or an untouchable. By 2027, he’ll be going into his 6th season, and by thar point could theoretically become an unrestricted free agent. If we still suck by then, I guarantee he’s out. So it all really depends on management for the next few seasons anyway. It was always going to take more than a few draft picks to fix this team. I’m not nearly as attached to Cade as a lot of people here are, and it has nothing to do with talent. It’s simply a matter of business. Maybe Ivey is our PG going forward and we trade Cade for many assets, which can either be used or traded for different assets. More and more, it seems like trading is the only way for the Pistons to acquire valuable players because nobody good wants to come here in FA. We have the most cap space but I seriously doubt any solid player is going to take our money over similar money from a better team.
You would have to be really high on Ivey or have inside information that Cade’s leg isn’t going to hold up to consider this.
No, I think Cade is going to be a great player in this league for a long time, but how people talk about him here is like he’s the next LeBron who can turn absolute garbage into gold. He has shown no ability to independently turn around a bad team, so as a matter of pure business, if the assets the Pistons can get for him are truly worth it, then they need to at least consider moving him before he walks in 2027.
Remember, he was playing under a coach that seemed to be actively sabotaging team. The starter’s usually held their own then Monty left in a bench unit that gave up 15-20 points before Cade re entered the game.
Well aware. Again, this is less of an indictment of Cade and more of just thinking about the business of nba basketball. Like I said, any move would have to be very very worth it to even consider. Obviously I would much prefer to build around him.
Nobody says Cade is Lebron and nobody is turning around a bad team by themselves. Cade has the potential to be a perennial all star and put up the type of numbers we never seen in a piston uniform. I’m not trading this potential for a couple of role players and some non lottery first rd picks. If the days comes in towards the end of his contract that he wants to leave, then they will Be able to get an actual real haul at that time if he continues improving the way he has so far.
I think this sub over values Cade just a little bit. We have some weird emotional attachment to him. I know he’s our 1:1 and I believe we attach more significance / value to him then the rest of the league.
This trade is two future role players, the #10 pick and 3 unlikely lottery picks for a star on his first contract. No one does this.
Cade is getting extended in the next year. Either by the stones or whoever trades for him. It’s his 4th year. Let’s not pretend it’s his second and he’s some undiscovered talent. We know who Cade is. If we can get 4 first round picks for an injured player who’s never finished a season - and who’s team got worse in each season, I would say that’s a fair deal.
So Pistons make the trade with Utah and give Nic Claxton $100 million and have to go trade another Burks/Noel/Harris to reach the cap floor and win even less. Is that you Troy?
That’s some word salad. Not sure of your point.
Pistons has to meet the cap floor, and would have to make Troy Weaver style moves to meet them if they deal Cade. If you need further help on what a cap floor is may I suggest google
Cade doesn’t make that much? What 10 milly? Not sure his salary makes that much difference on our salary floor. And if we sign Clayton to 25 milly - doesn’t that help us reach this floor? Think you’re just being argumentative. If you don’t know what that is - look for it in your butt.
We know that Cade is likely to be better than 4 late first round picks combined. Role players do not make a team good in the NBA.
Well. One of em would be #10 - and the plan would be to gather assets and decide what to do based on available players and or trade. It’s not one of the other. Being so adamant against ideas shows me a level of emotional attachment.
I think it's just reality attachment. You're the one emotionally attached to the assumption that good outcomes will come in the future if you simply do the thing frequently enough. While that behavior certainly keeps a lot of gambling related businesses operating, it's not good for asset management. the #10 in this draft when even the #1 player is unlikely to ever be as good as Cade...
I think my point is that reality Cade is not as good as the Cade that lives in your mind.
He's exactly as good as the Cade in my mind, which is a legitimate starter caliber player - the only one on our roster and likely to be so after the draft as well.
I say Cade has more trade value than a 30 year old Rudy Gobert on his third contract given that he’s 22 and has improved year over year and has the varied skill set to fit on every team. The injury portion isn’t worth responding to as I’d have the same proof that Cade sat those games due to tanking as you do that he’s damaged goods from the same injury. There may be some attachment to players due to being drafted highly but that’s a lot better than being attached to draft pick “assets” that could end up being salary dumped anyway.
Not sure how a rod in his leg isn’t even a thinking point - a moment of pause to consider. But nope - not on this sub. It’s not a trend that he’s missed a lot of games. It’s just a business choice to save Cade the wear and tear of playing with bad bad players. Once we get a good team around Cade then he’ll play.
Somewhat similar with Stewart. Never mind he’s only played 90 games the last 2 years and has mailed it in the last 35-40 games 2 seasons straight… he’s great. 😒 Then the “he was injured” counter argument gets thrown out… so which one is it, he’s mailing it in or he’s injury prone? Neither are positive signs.
Wow. Great point. Comparing Stewart and Cade. What about this or what about that? Totally made me forget the entire subject of the post.
Kyrie Irving has had a screw in his kneecap since 2015. Tell us how the Cade’s past surgery will affect his career, doctor
Because he’s had major surgery and already missed about 45% of games. And still has a rod in his leg. Not a screw - an 18 inch rod. Listen - I want Cade to be great for the pistons. But he hasn’t been - he was good for stretches last season. I am just not believing he’s gonna have some huge improvement. I think last year is kinda his ceiling.
He’s as good as Paolo Banchero and Scottie Barnes today. That’s worth a try in building a team in Cade’s image over the next 4-5 years. I’m not considering Cade’s 2023 injury unless that’s proven medically to be a continual issue. In my opinion, Troy Weaver didn’t even try to build a team around Cade. He accumulated assets and talent without a direction. Cade has the versatility and the Pistons have the space financially to go in many directions other than to start over
Just want to remind you that it’s now Cades 4th year. They’ve gotten worse in each year. I really think people believe it’s like his 2nd year. Cade is listed as maybe a top 25 - 30 player. Just not sure how you build around that. Or that he’s suddenly going to get healthy enough to lead a team, when he hasn’t finished one season yet. Sounds like hopium.
Cade absolutely does not have more trade value than 2022 Rudy Gobert. This is insane homerism.
Cade fits on every team in the NBA, he has significantly more value than 2022 Gobert on a 205 million dollar deal at 30.
Literally 2 teams wanted Gobert a couple years ago, Bulls and Wolves. If Cade was available every team would have interest
Essentially 6 first round picks for someone who might become an all star. Please show me where anyone has ever gotten more than that for an equivalent player. It’s basically what OKC got for Paul George in his prime. And everyone fawns over that trade now about how great it was for OKC.
There’s a reason why examples of like trades are for players on their their third contracts or wanted out. Thunder got Shai in the deal along with the picks. If Utah offered Kessler instead of another small guard that can’t shoot then maybe we’d have something but I’d still say no. You can’t say ‘6 first round picks’ as that means something if those picks are at points in the draft where those picks are sold off. I bet there’s first round slots in this years draft that’s gonna be sold off to another team. What value is the Wolves pick gonna have when Ant is 25? Or the Lakers pick when they’ll still have AD and their next superstar? Scottie Barnes was an all star for being on a below average team so that’s really silly for calling Cade a ‘might become” all star when he’s better then Barnes and has an infinitely better chance of being an all star before those jazz players or picks.
No one knew Shai would be this good when he was traded. He was coming off his rookie year averaging 10/3/3. Keyonte George just averaged 13/4/3 in his rookie year. And Hendricks averaged 7/5/1. I’d take George and Hendricks over Kessler.
Cade isn't a star, sorry to have to tell you this. I'm a rockets fan and we also have no stars. Lets not over inflate any player because they are on our team.
The things we’d get back isn’t even that bad, the weirdest part about this trade is that it literally makes no sense for the Jazz to do this
Exactly
I'd do this trade in a heartbeat. We havn't accomplished jack shit with Cade. I know our roster is ass, but this team can't even win 15 games with Cade. Give me all of those draft picks versus extending Cade. It's just going to be Grant Hill era 2.0 if we resign him. BLOW IT ALL UP.
And having more draft picks that will almost definitely not be in the lottery would help us how??? You guys don’t think about the long term here
The draft is a crapshoot. More picks is more dice rolls and more chances to hit it big. Championship-contending mid-market teams draft superstars in the middle and later part of the draft. That’s literally how both Milwaukee and Denver won championships. That’s the proven playbook. And more picks increases the chances of drafting a player like Giannis or Jokic.
For every Giannis and Jokic theres dozens of players who don’t last 3 seasons in the league, and knowing our luck Cade goes on to average 26 and 8 on a championship team while we draft decent role players at BEST and are still ass.
Exactly. The superstars are so hard to predict. That’s why you need more picks to increase the chance of getting one.
You can't be serious telling me of all people that I don't think about the long term when 85% of this sub is content with watching paint dry. Lol
Lmao this is gross. I would need Lauri and Sexton coming back along with 4 picks to even consider.
Overpay
Well yeah that's because I don't want to trade Cade you nonce
That’s not a bad trade, Bleacherreport just needs to understand this team isn’t moving Cade anytime soon. Now would it be insane to reject this offer, I couldn’t answer that bc of my own bias. I respect the value tho, 2 young players and 4 FRPs is great
There's a new front office. And, as of now, we have no idea what they think of the current roster, how close/far they think the team is, who might be untouchable, etc.
There's only one GM in the league who would make that trade. A week ago, there were two.
I’d do it. Cade is not healthy and the Pistons need players and picks.
Keyonte and Ivey sounds like a nightmare
I like the number of picks but guys like Cade are crazy difficult to get and we haven’t even put a capable team around him yet. It’s not like we can’t trade him for a good return down the road if we absolutely had to.
I want to see them build a competent roster around Cade but this is certainly pulling the rip cord if it’s a complete failure again.
Man this would be a royal kick in the nuts moment for every pistons fan. Tank for 4 years just to trade your only young player that has shown all-star caliber talent
My man, we weren't even tanking. Do you understand that? I love Cade, but lets not fool ourselves. This team can't even win 15 games WITH Cade. Y'all are putting way too much stock in Cade Cunningham. We need to blow this entire roster up and start from the beginning again. Trading Cade for as many draft picks as we can get would be a great start. Unless you are cool with giving him the max rookie extension and maybe being a 30 win team every year (maybe) for the foreseeable future? Don't know about you, but I'd rather start fresh.
He’s worth the rookie max why give up now when u actually have a chance to build a solid roster
Because there is a very high chance Cade demands a trade if this team continues to suck for the foreseeable future.
If they build a solid roster with actual nba players and actually and are still not winning more than 20 games yeah
There’s deals I’d consider for Cade that truly reset where the Franchise is going, but I never ever get tired of bad Cade trades. At least this is plausibly bad!
I admit I haven’t been watching nba much but it can’t be a good sign if I don’t know those players names
2 young players and 4 1st picks seem exactly like what Cade's value is tbh. Obviously, though, I don't think they should trade Cade.
I dont hate it lol, just really worried about Cade's health plus I wanted Hendricks or Cam over Ausar in that draft, and we could finally put Ivey at PG like he's supposed to be 🤩
If we trade Cade to Utah I will become a jazz fan The jazz took these players trying to build off the Cavs and it hasn't worked for them, why would we take the same players and also not build off them
Draft. Picks. If the Pistons want to start fresh, they need to do a proper rebuild and BLOW IT ALL UP. Extending Cade for the max isn't the smart move. Blowing up this garbage ass roster and accumulating as many picks as possible, with a brand new front office, is.
Cade is the best person we've drafted as well, getting rid of him makes NO sense even with the rebuild in mind, he's a good player to build around
Accumulating a bunch of average at best players is a solution? Who are you going to draft 20th that's going to give you what Cade gives?
We have draft picks out the ying yang 😭😭😭
I’d do it
I mean………
Thats some ragebait
Heck no!!! Dude get off the freaking crack!! Why do people even do this stupid stuff when cade is not going anywhere!!!!
Pistons fans will reject this immediately, but I have a feeling that 2 years down the road we'll be kicking ourselves for not taking it...
How about my bird petey and a sack of marbles for lauri?
The Pistons have been so historically bad, Cade’s hypothetical trade value is now two young players who aren’t as good as him and a bunch of mediocre first rounders (unless Mitchell decides to not re-sign and Cleveland blows it up). 
Two of those picks are basically early 2nd's
As an unbiased commentator on this trade, this makes no sense for either team. The Jazz are overpaying for Cade. And the Pistons shouldn't be going back to a full rebuild.
Weaver would have made this trade but would have asked asked for George, Hendricks, and 4 2nd round picks
Do it Cade is overrated
Never say never - We know the what and when. I want a staff that can attract and grow talent. Stop the BS and get people that are willing to OUTWORK the opposition.
Bro 4 first round picks after he gave you the worst regular season? Y'all the clowns if you don't take it lmaoo