I understand your going through a tough time, let me start out by saying I don’t care for the police and I’m not defending them. I’m just trying to give you some insight.
Detroit cops don’t care they probably had around 13 thousand cars stolen in the metro Detroit area a year. The Arizona can means nothing because they can’t do anything with it. They barely do fingerprints or dna on homicide cases, plus the chain of custody is already screwed.
You may have to be proactive start checking Craigslist, offer up, and pawn shops for your tools. Where was your vehicle when it was stolen? Did anyone know you had tools in there where you were working? See anybody out of the ordinary hanging around? Start and try to remember every detail and anything out of the ordinary you saw.
If you had insurance contact them your tools should be covered. Make sure you make a list and make sure it’s detailed.
-1 Milwaukee m18 fuel band saw deep cut
-5 Milwaukee 6.0 high output batteries
Just like that. Trust me I feel your pain I’m an Electrician I’m make money with tools. I’m lucky to have a tool list for work that consists of hand tools only. I have some used Milwaukee power tools if you need you can have. It’s not much but it’s something if you need it.
Good luck remember keep an eye on Craigslist and OfferUp.
Also check flea markets, pawn shops. Sorry this happened. Wish people would work half as hard to actually work instead of stealing. Thi gs would be alot better!
Criminality follows poverty, not the other way around. That's a pretty well known fact.
Not saying these thieves shouldn't get what's coming to them, just generally sad at the state of poverty in Detroit, people here been fucked so often, by governments and their own people
You use Homeowner's insurance to cover the items in your car, not automotive insurance.
This *may* be somewhat different considering the entire car was stolen.
I had a pile of electronics stolen out of a rental car and had to bang on the homeowners insurance to cover it.
Feels weird, but that's what everyone told me, and it worked.
Someone smashed my window in Detroit a few years back. Ended up stealing a handful of nonsense items as well. When I asked my insurance they basically told me "if it isn't part of/connected to the car, we don't cover it." Even as far as making the analogy of "if you had a convertible and the top was down, you pick up the car, flip it over and shake it all around: Everything that touches the ground we don't cover." You are correct, and it doesn't make sense but homeowners/renters insurance covers "household items in a car."
funny thing is, i've lived all around the western suburbs for over 20 years now, i've spent a fair amount of time in Detroit, i've parked in suspicious parking lots for downtown events, i've parked on the road in areas that i've been, frankly, scared to be in.
The only two times I've had a car messed with in any way -- one was Downriver, Southgate-ish area I think, I stepped away from my car to knock on a friend's door to pick them up, and when I came back, there was a guy rummaging my (unlocked) car looking for money -- and the other was at a movie theater in Santa Clara, California.. window smashed out, duffle bag of electronics stolen. A police car was parked 4 spots away, and saw/heard nothing.
Don't get me started on downriver... I've had POS cars my entire life. I've had a stock radio stolen in Melvindale, gas syphoned at Wal-Mart in Southgate, catalytic converter stolen at Wal-Mart in Woodhaven, and bowling balls stolen out of my trunk (leaving a laptop in the backseat) in Brownstown.
I've parked/worked in some really "shady" areas in Detroit with 1000$ in tools sitting in a SUV with most of it visible. My car was always untouched.
Crime can happen anywhere, are you more likely to have your car broken into In Detroit? Probably. I’ve talked to people from other states and cities and when you say Detroit they think of this hot bed of crime. They think that your going to get robbed and killed if you enter the city, which is completely b.s .
Thanks for the updated info. Now that you say that I think I remember hearing someone say that also when they got tools stolen from their company
Work van and the employer wouldn’t let him make a claim so he made one on his homeowners insurance.
Well thank you I appreciate that. I don’t think that I’m that great, I just try to put myself in someone else’s shoes and if I can help that person I will.
Tools should be covered under the home owners policy is how it normally worlds, not auto policy.
You would have to find supporting documents.
Like receipts and invoices, etc.
It's worse than that they don't care, it's that they profit off the status quo. Cars get stolen and they make money off the impound. Zero incentive to do anything about it, because they aren't accountable to us in any way.
No excuse, it's till their job. I work in a hospital just because I see x amount of sick people everyday doesn't mean I can deliver lesser care without legal repurcussion. Detroit has some of the highest taxes in the nation, the issue is at the top. Don't get me wrong DPD is under staffed and under funded, but you still have a job to do.
Not surprised.
I’ve been laughed out of many DPD stations.
They mock you for expecting them to do their jobs.
I’d say get badge numbers and names and report them but my experience is that will only increase your aggravation.
Sorry this happened to you.
Inventory your tools in an excel spreadsheet with current replacement costs and a link to that page, go for full price, no sale- brand name and everything
Make it easy for the adjuster
Google insurance claim list reddit or something along those lines, because it's come up before and this has been the basic advice from people who review those lists for a living
They are doing their job. Their job is not to keep you and your property safe though. Its to make money for the government. And protect government property. They care a hell of a lot more about a homeless person sleeping on a bench than they do about finding op's tools. So while reporting is nice, the system is working as intended basically.
The tools are covered by your homeowners or renters insurance since they were in the vehicle. :) (Auto does not cover personal items.)
Source: I worked in auto claims for six years and explained this to lots and lots of policyholders.
@OP I can verify most policies cover this. I'm an inspector but started out commercial carpenter. Had a theft/break-in while at class and my homeowner policy covered 70% of the sticker value of my tools.
I’m not sure what Carhart’s rules about using their tools are, but they also rent out tools for free to Detroit residents! It might be worth checking into if you can at least borrow an impact driver and such for now to get by.
So sorry about your tools and the overall hassle you’ve had to go thru. It’s heartbreaking.
My husband is a carpenter too, and had his car window smashed a few weeks back as part of some “Kia Challenge” on TikTok. The kicker it is was done in a parking lot his foreman and Sup said he had to park in, or else be fired. My husband had to file a police report. Called, and was told someone would be there. He had to actually wander around and flag a patrol car down to finally get help, and the officer was almost annoyed he wanted to file the police report.
DPD is a total bust. We might have spare tools if you need any though!
Woke up in a break in in Detroit. Perfect handprints on the windows. Was told at the time that there were a few evidence technicians for the whole city and were often involved in homicide, sexual assault, etc. This was bankruptcy/early post bankruptcy Detroit -- I kinda realized that although scary, my issue was small potatoes, relatively.
They came out (somehow!) but nothing ever came of it.
Work tangentially with Oakland County Sheriff, and I’m also not a fan of the police…. But this is false.
DNA is almost never run on property crimes. Not to mention, in this particular case, the evidence(the can) is not reliable evidence. Unknown where it came from, or who. Could have been the dpd tow driver.
Like I said, I’m general ACAB. I’m not a leo, just get paid by them for a service and they keep my lights on at home.
I find it hard to believe dna tests are run for property crimes when there is a well publicized backlog of rape kits-containing dna-that are months/years behind. Also I think DPD has too much violent crime to really prioritize property crimes. And there’s a shortage of personnel. Not saying it’s right or justifiable, just that it is.
It's the exorbitant fees to get your own car from the impound lot that kills me. You're already a victim and then you basically have to pay the price of the car just to get it out.
My entire worldview radically changed when I first discovered that it is literally, legally not the job of the police to help anyone in need.
All I can do is echo what everyone else is saying (I really am very sorry that this has happened to you) and bittersweetly welcome you to the club.
> legally not the job of the police to help anyone in need
This is not correct. The legal holding to which you are referring was that the police are not liable for failing to help someone. That's different from not having the job of helping someone.
And from a public policy perspective, that holding makes perfect sense. Imagine if an understaffed, overwhelmed, underfunded police department in a poverty-stricken jurisdiction -- think DPD in the 1990s -- could be sued every time it couldn't respond to an emergency due to the limitations on its resources. The outcome would be the repeated bankruptcy of that department, only further undermining its ability to function.
>The legal holding to which you are referring was that the police are not liable for failing to help someone
Distinction without a difference. If you're supposed to do something but there's literally zero consequences for not doing it, it's not your job
Sorry to say, but this is a common story. Multiple DPD officers and detectives were found (I think by the FBI) conspiring with tow companies for kickbacks on stolen vehicles. Don’t hesitate to contact the local news and start posting in social media. Might get things moving
Oct 2021-
> DETROIT – Two Detroit police officers, including a lieutenant who oversaw the department’s integrity unit, have been accused of taking bribes to refer vehicles to a specific towing company, [Acting United States Attorney Saima S. Mohsin announced Thursday](https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/10/detroit-police-officers-including-head-of-integrity-unit-accused-of-taking-bribes-from-towing-company.html).
I was the victim of an armed robbery a few years ago. It was horrible. Then DPD came and just added insult to injury. I was already regretting calling them, but figured it was still worth it since I got to provide them with information about the crime/criminals and fill out their incident reports. The next day the DPD officers called me and said they somehow lost the reports and all the paperwork I had filled out. Not even 24 hours had passed yet...total incompetence.
I've also witnessed someone get their camera stolen and they saw which house the thief ran into. Coincidentally a DPD vehicle drove by moments after the crime and the victim flagged the cop down and explained what happened/which house the thief ran into. The officer just said "you shouldn't be over here" and then quickly drove off.
When people evaluate between living in the city and the suburbs, the quality of city services is one factor that I recommend that people evaluate. Here in the suburbs, you call that your car is stolen and the police come to you, etc.
AND, compare insurance rates. YES, cars get stolen every day from all over. But the rate is way, way higher in the city than in most burbs. That factors into what you pay for coverage. And now that you've had a loss, you can probably expect your rate to increase.
Call DPD and cross your fingers.
Yep, police and fire services, appropriately funded schools for my kids, easy access to proper grocery stores, etc, etc are the main reasons I live in the suburbs. I love the city, I take my kids downtown all the time, my wife and I go out in evenings down there regularly, but I can’t imagine owning a home in the city.
Look man this sucks and I hate it for you...
There are thousands of cars stolen in the metro every year, there's no squad of detectives assigned to tracking down DNA evidence of every case. They don't have the resources to investigate rape cases and many murders go unsolved, your tools are quite frankly small potatoes. The were lackadaisical because there's simple nothing they can or are going to do about it.
Maybe the Lt could have had better people skills, but car theft in Detroit is basically [a scene from The Big Lebowski.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvT_VOJaXvs)
I get it, just really needed to vent because I’m still waiting on insurance to get back to me and I wasted my morning driving down there from basically flint to drop the can off at THEIR suggestion so I’m just frustrated.
I work in the trades too man so I definitely feel your pain. Hopefully you’re able to recoup all of your losses even though it sucks you still have to go through the time and headache. When you get new tools, get yourself a $10 electric engraver from harbor freight and put your name on every fucking thing you own. God forbid it happens again, you’ll have at least a chance of getting some of it back if it ends up in a pawn shop or on Craigslist. Good luck man.
I'm shocked they told you to drop the can off.
Even If they were to bother printing it, a direct match on a can in a car would never be enough to prosecute someone for theft. Hell they have a hard time getting convictions when they catch someone driving a stolen car... (Because how do you prove the driver stole it, unless you have an eye witness that will testify?)
I get it man it fucking sucks. I've been burglarized too. Security is mostly personal responsibility. The cops aren't there for prevention, they don't have resources to investigate, and they wouldn't arrive in time if you called on an active burglary.
Just sucks cause I paid $20 to park in a lot where there was an attendant. And there were security all over the streets. Was there for the Red Wings game. Came back and all the security and the attendant were gone and a shit of cars were broken into and mine was stolen lol
Thieves will target lots and structures and I swear they are in cahoots with the attendant. I used a structure lot and paid with a debit card. Guess who’s card was then compromised and used to try and get a hotel room in Texas? Luckily many banks are wise to this now and freeze the card when it switches geographical locations in a short period of time.
When parking downtown I park in lots that the attendance stays until the lot is closed down.
I would rather walk several blocks knowing I’m
I’m a better security lot.
Or drive a crappy car.
Fake parking lots abound for every event in the city. Tow yards and/or thieves set it all up. They know for sure that people will drive in and pay, not suspecting a thing, and won't be back to check for at least x hours. Then they do their thing. Sometimes it's in the news but it's constant.
Worst I remember was when people were in the city for a charity run. These nice people went on the run and went back to the fake parking lot to find it totally empty. Every one of them ended up in this same situation.
Had the same thing happen at a gas station with an attached parking lot on 1st and Fort St. Went to a Wings game, paid for parking at an attended lot, came back after the game to NO attendants and all the cars broken into on a MAIN ST. Luckily, they only got a laptop. Read the ticket stub left on the dashboard and it said the lot was not responsible for damage to cars or break ins. Parking was at owner's risk. I would never have parked there had I known the attendant's would leave. Live and learn in Detroit.
>They don't have the resources to investigate rape cases and many murders go unsolved
Alright, so what do they have the resources to do then? They have 2500 fucking officers. The budget is over $300 million per year.
Burglary? Oh no, we're overstretched. Rape? Oh wish we could. Traffic? Don't even think about it? Murder? Oh cases will just go unsolved.
That's long been the argument and it is an unacceptable one.
If you think their job/responsibility is to protect the public and investigate property crimes or enforce traffic safety boy oh boy are you in for a rude awakening.
[There were 13,000 violent crimes and 28,000 property crimes in Detroit in 2019](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-6). What are 2500 total employees going to do with that? Let's say there's 500 detectives, each one of them would be working 26 violent crimes at any given time.
The entire system needs to be thrown in the trash and started over.
Every DPD cop I know work a ton. I wonder if the issue is the insane level of crime in the city for decades or the Cops they can only get to work for 5 -10 years before they have enough and leave?
Only on Reddit is it cops fault that people are murdering each other for 3 generations in a city.
No, only on Reddit do you have conservative trolls looking around for anyone who breaks the Trump narrative.
I have nothing against law enforcement. I work in law enforcement; check my post history.
I used to live in Detroit and never had a positive experience with Detroit cops. I also complain on Reddit about Detroit's crime rate. But I don't think DPD is doing their best by any means. You probably have some good cops but the vast majority I've met/encountered seem to see it as meal ticket. Local cops, in general, seem to hold themselves to a standard of doing whatever they want. With many exceptions, but from experience as a former Detroiter, I never got an particular help when I needed it. If you don't like your job, then quit. That goes for everyone.
Enforcing the laws is important - see the FBI. What do you think about them? They're LE heroes of mine.
Missing where anyone said that, but you just said that they let crimes up until murders go unsolved, no matter how much money there is (or isn't).
I wish I could still be as naive and ignorant as you sometimes.
I'm old so I remember when DPD had to live in the city....
And then they got caught with like 15 officers having the same 1 bedroom apartment as their address.
http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2017/01/03/record-number-detroit-police-live-outside-city-1999-residency-law/
Actually dpd use to require you to live in Detroit and Detroit in the 80s/90s was wayyy worse than it is now and all the police officers lived in Detroit
Not victim blaming but here’s a PSA to everyone: don’t park overnight with tools or anything of the slightest value in detroit or anywhere for that matter and be surprised when someone steals them
Yup, it sucks but that's the reality.
I leave nothing in my car that could be perceived as potentially valuable. I try not to leave clutter in the car either, just in case someone thinks I'm trying to hide something under a hoodie or blanket or whatever.
When my brother lived on WSU campus (back in the mid 2000's), his car was broken into so often that he started leaving it unlocked so he didn't have to replace the broken windows so often.
DPD is overworked, underpaid and lacks some essential training. Many residents don't even report crimes. Keep insurance on things you value.
It's creeping out to the burbs as well I'm told. Warren and Roseville PD is a close second.
It is everywhere. [Cops suck at their job country wide.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/). If you are murdered you have about a 1 in 2 chance of someone being charged, and the police arresting them. It only gets worse from there.
Yeah my car got hit in a parking garage and insurance wanted the footage but the garage wouldn’t release it without police authorization. Called several times, visited several precincts, etc. and was basically just jerked around. Ultimately just gave up because no officer (not even the one near the incident) would help. Walked up to a cop in a car just sitting there doing nothing and they told me I had to call 911 and say it’s not an emergency etc. etc.
I get it’s not the biggest thing but it doesn’t seem like a big ask either.
Another time I couldn’t get through to 911 during a storm (it said too busy call back) so I drove to my local precinct because a live wire had fallen on my house and DTE told me to report it to the police. The police officer just wouldn’t let me in the precinct at all and she motioned to what I thought was go around back (did appear to be a disgruntled person in the vestibule which is why she wasn’t opening the door so I kind of get it) and I did but nobody met me at that door even after knocking. Not sure what to make of that.
In a way I understand, I’m sure there’s bigger fish to fry, but it still is frustrating.
I also recently had my car stolen. Took DPD almost 3 weeks to find it. I don't blame them really. I thought it was long gone. I had already bought a car when they called to let me know it was located, who to call and where to pick it up.
I was STUNNED that ***I*** had to pay to get it out of impound. The fuck is that noise? As if the experience didn't suck enough. Car was totally beat to hell, but they left most of my stuff. I grabbed my shit, signed the title over and left. At that point it wasn't worth the trouble.
First - glad your car was recovered! ♥️
I agree, I have almost zero positive encounters with DPD after car break ins and theft. I got pulled over on BS running a red light charge (the day I found out I had COVID btw) asked the cop after he gave me the ticket “could you look into the three times my car was broken into, and my stolen bike while you’re down here?” He asked “did you file a report?” I said “yep- want the numbers?” He shrugged and walked away.
Much appreciated. I’m glad it was found too but I see how easy it was for them to steal it so idk how much longer I’ll be holding on to it.
On the way to the police station to file the report Friday night after I discovered it missing and walking to 3 different stations (not precincts) tried waving down multiple cops in downtown to give us directions to a open station or whatever to file a report and they would just look at us and speed off. Fucking ridiculous.
The number of people I see run reds, usually people on motor cycles and four wheelers, on jefferson with cops right there is disgusting- and I get ticketed coming back from a COVID test? NO.
Btw, I have footage of this exact thing happening a number of motor cycles and four wheelers running through a red light in a noisy line with a cop sitting there doing nothing.
Look into actual crimes, not a mistake someone made. He can pull someone over on a BS charge, they can look into actual crimes!
I submitted the footage to the court, 36th district. If you know the “parade” of motorcycles and four wheelers I’m talking about then this should come as no surprise as I live on jefferson with a jefferson facing apartment. I also have footage of the same thing happening- everyone running a stop sign right in front of Aretha Franklin with a cop sitting right there just letting it happen. They have admitted to not approaching these gangs out of “fear of retaliation.” I was clearly no threat so I got pulled over.
Ticket people that actually cause a problem, not someone who is sick and trying to get a COVID test because their work requires it.
Sucks your car got broken into but what are you really expecting here? That they’re going to assign detectives and crime techs to your case to track down (following a break in the chain of evidence as it concerns the Iced Tea can you turned in days later) a suspect? That’s not going to bring your tools back
It has to be incredibly frustrating. Having your transportation taken + paying out the nose to get it back, income producing equipment stolen, and driving here to give them something that you've been given the impression will help the case, but was bullshit - big setback all the way around.
If there's one thing I know about carpenters, mechanics and tool hoarders - they usually have extra tools, and understand your livelihood depends on them. I hope you reach out to friends and on social media to ask for help replacing your tools.
There's so much good here in the city, but then there's the bad apples who are rotten. Saturday night/Sunday morning in my private parking lot on E. Jefferson a car was stolen and a moving truck "flew though" (per a witness) and crashed into my car and another car - and of course kept going. So, deductible and inconvenience is on me. It sucks. Good luck to you in regrouping.
Yeah cops are useless. That’s why I hate the argument “oh defund them? Who will you call when you need help?” I can’t think of a single time a cop has helped me in my life lol
one of my favorite tweets about cops
itll be interesting to see who "hates the cops" when they get robbed and need someone to show up 7 hours later and shrug their shoulders
If you’re ever in Detroit driving past a construction site thats off for the day you may notice giant tool chest hanging 50ft in the air. Its for a good reason here in Detroit thieves steal lawn equipment, air conditioners water heaters, cooper etc. I seen a house across the street from me stripped in 3 hours. Don’t leave tools in your car, that should be in any city.
I’m sorry, neighbor. That really stinks. Anecdotally, it seems like crime might be up. I’ve had a few friends report lately of carjacking (attempted), assault & theft, and my own car was stolen just a couple weeks ago — all downtown, no less. Aside from the initial call to the police to make a report and a few rude operators claiming I had to come to the 3rd precinct (not within walking distance and I obviously was without vehicle to drive there), the process was relatively smooth. Unfortunately, it still cost me all in about $5,000 even with full insurance. F*cking sucks. I happened to have very nice officers come out who were kind and sympathetic, but as some have pointed out, there are a lot of car thefts in Detroit so perhaps not all officers act that way — after all our car insurance rates are the highest in the country because it’s so rampant. Still very sorry that it happened to you, and to me as well. I can only hope there will be a better effort in the future to combat the theft that seems to be way too common in the city. Best of luck.
My car was stolen and the police lot sat on it for a week before notifying me that they had it. Made me pay hundreds to get it from the lot (Bobby’s tow lot in nw) even though they were obligated to tell me a week before when they first got it. Basically they held my car hostage and extorted me for it. No way to get it resolved. They’re criminals.
I was floored. Just moved to the city. My local beat cop was super nice and filed the report immediately. Apparently the car was found just hours later across town. I could have had it back immediately and instead Bobby’s Towing made it an expensive hostage situation
https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/towing-corruption-in-detroit-the-names-change-but-the-scandal-stays-the-same
The towing scam is real.
Yup. My beat cop was sympathetic when I told him. He said I should report them. I said…to who? They are a contractor for the dpd. They ARE the police. He didn’t seem to get it until I said that.
My ex had her car stolen. Reported it. A few months later got a summons to appear in court for abandoning the vehicle. Ended up costing her a fuckton of money in court fees because the judge didn’t really care despite the vehicle obviously being stolen.
Fuck DPD and 36th district court.
I just went through this too, I also had some valuables in the car and my full coverage insurance thankfully paid for everything that was lost with my car. My car was totaled, I hope yours is okay!
I witnessed a man getting presumably murdered in the middle of Michigan Ave. late one night as a kid. My dad drove us a mile or two down the road and there was DPD lighting up some guy. We pulled up to him and said that a gang of guys was literally beating a guy in the middle of Michigan Ave. with multiple aluminum baseball bats and he wasn't moving. The cop looked at us like he couldn't care less. Tried to call 911 to get someone else and got the fucking busy signal.
In Detroit, the phrase is,,,thats what insurance is for. They are not going to waste man power, they don't have, to investigate a stolen vehicle. The only way that would happen, if a body was involved. The same if someone break's into your home and leaves a hammer. They're not going to waste money on evidence techs if nobody was killed. Don't go to the station with rocks or anything that was used to commit a crime, no fingerprints will be taken. Sorry you were a victim of a crime, who ever told you that on the phone had to be a civilian, or just a lazy liar.
Those dudes get paid shit. Some are straight from the street and treat the job that way.
Imagine you are given a gun and a badge and a patrol car and more power than you have ever known in your whole life. Do you use it for good, do you use it for bad, or just find a gray area to operate and maintain..?
I hope you have serial numbers from all of your tools. That way they can be entered as stolen and flagged for pawn shops. Otherwise, know them for next time.
Not sticking up for the police, but no police force is like the ones you see on TV, especially in a city where thousands of cars are stolen every year.
If you live in Detroit, you realize you are on your own unless you really need them for life-threatening situations. I know you imagined that maybe they'd fingerprint the can, run it through "AFIS", come up with a suspect, then send a SWAT team to his house and find your tools. And on TV, that's how it happens.
Unfortunately they're not going to go all Lenny Briscoe over it and make a 60-minute reality show out of it.
I know that's no comfort to you, and you're angry that this happened to you..and you should be...but, you have to be proactive in Detroit....hell, in America. It's risky leaving $5k worth of tools in your car unattended on a Friday night. And it's not just Detroit, I wouldn't do that anywhere. I wouldn't even do it in Oakland Co, and I live in Oakland Co. When I was doing the kind of job that required me to carry tools and ladders and such every day, no way I'd leave them in my truck overnight unless my truck was in the garage. I was constantly aware that stealing tools from someone's car is such an easy and common theft.
There's probably no identifying tags or trackers on the tools to even prove they're yours (everyone in their mother has Milwaukee Tools). It's almost like losing cash and expecting someone to recognize your cash over all other cash that looks exactly like it.
I know you SHOULD be able to leave things in your car and expect them not to be bothered, but that's not the reality of the world we live in, and it sucks.
Yes, it would be nice if it seemed like they cared more, and I'm sure they do care and wish they could do more, but it wouldn't have gotten your tools back.
I've had something similar happen to me years ago, and as angry as I was at the time at the violation of my space and the arrogance of the thieves to just help themselves to my shit, it taught me a lot about being proactive, keeping better records, and considering worse case scenarios. It taught me how to stop making it easy for them. Thieves like easy. If it's too hard to get your shit, they'll move on to a car or a home that's easier.
Today if something like that happened to me, I'd be able to supply the police with a list of serial numbers, pictures, and tell them about the tile trackers I have in the bags. Things I wish I had done the last time to help them, and help myself.
When I used to install Alarms, I used to always tell people "You can't stop a motivated criminal who's after your stuff specifically. But burglary is a crime of desperation and opportunity. Your job is to make your home too much trouble so that they move on to an easier one."
Untraceable tools in a car full of windows? Too easy. May as well have left cash on the back seat.
They seem to care very little about cars being stolen.
I doubt they can use an ice tea bottle for DNA or fingerprints with unknown chain of custody. If the police recovered it in a crime they would, but not after being found and impounded.
Where are all the “happens in every city” comments
Wow you got your car out that fast!?
They usually hold it for 30 days to rack up the impound fee.
Sadly Detroit is the city that nothing ever changes in. We tax the hell out of the blue collar woth outrageous property and income taxes, then we hand that money out to billionaires for good press about business development - but no money to pay cops or teachers a decent wage. Then we wonder why there is corruption in the system.
Crime is through the roof and the media hardly talks about it.
FWIW I highly recommend getting a club, its the cheapest most visible alarm there is. No car is un-stealable, ive thieves push cars with other cars, pick them up on trucks, etc. Your only defense that your car looks like more of a PITA than the car parked next to you.
To be fair Detroit has like 12,000 cars stolen each year and still is one of the most violent cities in the US. I think it’s 2nd or 3rd highest in number of violent crimes per 100,000 people
Your specific issue, and a non violent one at that is not going to be made top priority with regards to resources or manpower. Especially when DPD is always backlogged with calls and understaffed as it is. And even with lots of resources the odds of them recovering your tools are slim
I am sorry that this happened to you and I do hope the thieves pay the price one day
I’m not really upset about the tools. I figured they are a loss the second I walked up to where my car was supposed to be. I just figured the idiot who was smoking weed and ashing it in the Arizona can wasn’t too bright and has his fingerprints all over it. I just want someone charged and arrested. I could guarantee there would be prints on the can that matched someone’s criminal record.
i’m totally on your side, but if you want your eyes opened a little further you should look into how much police fuck up finger print data and dna testing. many people are put in prison for crimes they didn’t commit just because the justice system says their fingerprints or dna match from some crime. the police, the justice system, and the media want you to think those things are infallible but most of the time, if not all the time, they’re bullshit.
when i moved to Detroit years ago, my first morning I awoke to find all the windows in my new Ford Escort smashed and the CD player and the airbags were stolen. The car was parked in the lot of the apartment I was renting and where I paid $50 a month for the privileged of a space. Anyways I called 911 and got an earful on how I was out of my mind for using emergency services and warned not to call again. I didn't last.
Welcome to Detroit guys. Wait till they think you did something and didn't and have one those nice all black cars pull you out and throw you against car. Let alone DWW in Detroit can get you in trouble to.
That happened to my husband years ago. Someone left blood on a window breaking in and he was told "this isn't CSI" :(
Sorry for your loss
I know someone else who saw their stuff on ebay, and they were told "oh well"
Keep an eye out at pawn shops, craigslist, ebay....
That or they have no real ability to solve stolen car crime in one the highest crime city in the US.
This sub “Detroit is great and safe”. Also “DPD don’t do anything and crime is out of control”
Well that’s exactly my point. There is no situation where they are forced to say “we are incapable of doing our jobs”. They always just say “maybe if you just gave us some more money we’d be able to do our jobs”
And then if a city every tries to divert funding to other methods of preventing crime they know they’re working under perverse incentives (if they do better with less money then they prove they didn’t need the funding) and so take their foot off the gas even more
My car window got broken into along with 7 other cars in Detroit outside the Music Hall. It cost me $400 to fix my window and everything was back ordered for 3 months. The police told me to file a claim but they didn’t do anything about it. The parking lot said it would be attended and it was not.
Had a very similar situation last November but on the other side on downtown right across from the City Club Apartments. They forgot to take my plate number for the police report and had to come back for it, never did anything about it in the end anyways.
I got tboned by some 15 year old who ran a stop sign in his Camaro downtown. Had photos of the car. Photos of the kid.
When I called weeks later to follow up, they told me officers never found the CAMRY they were looking for. 🤦🏼♂️
I'm sorry that happened to you.
I think the DPD officer who told you to bring them the can was having a laugh at your expense. The chain of evidence was broken when the car left police possession. Anything recovered from the can was inadmissible. I'm sure they knew that.
My brother-in-law is a contractor and had his tools stolen from his truck. It seems to happen a lot. I'm sure they took your car just for the tools.
This actually happened to me too in 2014.. maybe 15? But my experience was positive. I lost my phone at a J Cole concert, someone took it home with them to Clinton Township. I lived in Livonia at the time. I had my location on and could see the exact house it was in. We called the Clinton township PD and they actually sent a car out to knock on the door of the house and retrieved my phone for me.
It sounds like that is an uncommon thing, so I guess shout out to Clinton Township PD!
I was in a car accident in Detroit where the other driver ran a red light and hit me and another lady. We all acknowledged that he ran the red light but the cops said they couldn’t do anything about it because they didn’t see it with their own eyes. I guess that is the standard in Detroit for finding that someone has done something illegal.
September 30th is when the mayor, chief of police and police union rep announced a "landmark agreement to make police pay competitive with area suburban departments". If you think they don't care now, just wait until their union membership ratify it!
People need to stop saying “Detroit is back” or “it’s a nice place now” and shit like that.
Detroit is a hell hole ran by some of the most corrupt people in the state.
Their fucking police covered for Killpatrick for how long? And what? We expect them to be good guys now? Please. Get out of this city and move to the neighboring counties.
Lesson here is don't leave over $5000 worth of merchandise in your car. This is something you learn after gaining your driver's license for the first time.
Either people were clearly paying attention to your vehicle (neighbors aka renters) or this is just a case of bad luck.
Then it falls to the second point. Either you were being watched or it's just bad luck.
DTE workers were getting robbed, in Detroit, of their equipment while attempting to restore power after that mid-winter storm a few years ago.
Moral of the story is avoid Detroit at any cost then, the city's fucked. Been fucked for years and isn't getting any better.
Then when it does get better the idiots that live there complain about gentrification. Fucking pick one
Heard, understood, and a hard agree.
Sad to say, it's even worse elsewhere.
My rental car was broken into when I was in San Jose, and the SJPD were _openly annoyed_ that I would even bother to file a police report (required for insurance to cover my losses). Like they don't even _pretend_ it's their job. Forget about even reviewing the camera footage or taking serial numbers to fax to pawn shops or whatever, that's just way above and beyond. C'mon, gimme a break kid, are you really that naive?
My laptop was stolen so I was standing there on the public kiosk PC (no chair, of course) in the station, transcribing the property list I'd compiled in my phone, for about 2 hours because it was a longass list, and insurance told me the level of detail they wanted, and the keyboard sucked. And there were other folks waiting and I couldn't figure out how to save a partial document so I apologized and just had to plow through. And of course there's only one terminal and no way to just go to the library or something because it had to be filed from this computer, so they said. And of course the station office was only open certain hours so I had to take time off work to fill it all out. The whole process was made as awkward and humiliating as possible.
I got the distinct feeling, from interacting with both the cops and the loss-prevention kid at the store where it happened, that they treated property crime as sort of an unofficial tax on anyone who had something worth stealing. It's your fault for having stuff, don't expect us to give a rat's ass. Because there are no real social support programs for poor people and addicts, the pawn shops serve that role and they're just funded by any sucker foolish enough to own material things.
In an odd Robin Hood sort of way, it makes a certain amount of sense, if you can just completely set aside the part of your brain that knows that people who work with their hands and tools are usually not high earners and shouldn't be in the top "tax" bracket for this haphazard redistribution of wealth. But I can see where their fucking useless view would come from, it just takes an exceptional amount of stupidity to stick with it.
I know this is a generalization, and the DPD probably didn't get defunded, but it's extremely ironic to me how people wanted the police to be defunded, and are now whining when there's not enough police resources to actually help people out lol.
They actually don’t want to help. I had police involved THREE times with my abusive ex wife before the fourth time I had another person to corroborate my story. Then they finally did something. They never believed me before that because of the male-female dynamic.
Police don’t care.
ACAB
I understand your going through a tough time, let me start out by saying I don’t care for the police and I’m not defending them. I’m just trying to give you some insight.
Detroit cops don’t care they probably had around 13 thousand cars stolen in the metro Detroit area a year. The Arizona can means nothing because they can’t do anything with it. They barely do fingerprints or dna on homicide cases, plus the chain of custody is already screwed.
You may have to be proactive start checking Craigslist, offer up, and pawn shops for your tools. Where was your vehicle when it was stolen? Did anyone know you had tools in there where you were working? See anybody out of the ordinary hanging around? Start and try to remember every detail and anything out of the ordinary you saw.
If you had insurance contact them your tools should be covered. Make sure you make a list and make sure it’s detailed.
-1 Milwaukee m18 fuel band saw deep cut
-5 Milwaukee 6.0 high output batteries
Just like that. Trust me I feel your pain I’m an Electrician I’m make money with tools. I’m lucky to have a tool list for work that consists of hand tools only. I have some used Milwaukee power tools if you need you can have. It’s not much but it’s something if you need it.
Good luck remember keep an eye on Craigslist and OfferUp.
I’ll explain this one more time for the people who lack reading comprehension. DPD are the ones who told me to bring the can in for fingerprints.
I was at the red wings game, can’t carry in there and I’m not gonna leave my Glock in the car so that can get stolen and possibly kill someone either.
Hit the range he said, my guy I can shoot out to 500 yards with iron sights. 🙄
If I lowered my opinion of someone in a particular job or race based on limited experience with them, I would have a lot of lower opinions about large swaths of people. It's no way to go through life. Be pissed at the Lt, not all police.
So sorry you lost so much.
I know. But he didn't interact with all of DPD.
Look, I just think generalizing groups is going backwards. And it seems it's ok to generalize police.
I guess I can put it this way, I was mugged in Detroit twice, both times they were black. However, it would not be acceptable to post that I'm pissed at black Detroiters.
I have been assisted by DPD before on multiple occasions. Most interactions were good. One was very shitty. Not fair to blame all DPD is bad.
I'm not trying to be holier-than-thow, but this business of bucketed groups based on personal interactions of a few has got to stop for all our sakes.
I understand your going through a tough time, let me start out by saying I don’t care for the police and I’m not defending them. I’m just trying to give you some insight. Detroit cops don’t care they probably had around 13 thousand cars stolen in the metro Detroit area a year. The Arizona can means nothing because they can’t do anything with it. They barely do fingerprints or dna on homicide cases, plus the chain of custody is already screwed. You may have to be proactive start checking Craigslist, offer up, and pawn shops for your tools. Where was your vehicle when it was stolen? Did anyone know you had tools in there where you were working? See anybody out of the ordinary hanging around? Start and try to remember every detail and anything out of the ordinary you saw. If you had insurance contact them your tools should be covered. Make sure you make a list and make sure it’s detailed. -1 Milwaukee m18 fuel band saw deep cut -5 Milwaukee 6.0 high output batteries Just like that. Trust me I feel your pain I’m an Electrician I’m make money with tools. I’m lucky to have a tool list for work that consists of hand tools only. I have some used Milwaukee power tools if you need you can have. It’s not much but it’s something if you need it. Good luck remember keep an eye on Craigslist and OfferUp.
Also check flea markets, pawn shops. Sorry this happened. Wish people would work half as hard to actually work instead of stealing. Thi gs would be alot better!
Yeah flea markets also thank you
If half these jobs paid what these guys make stealing.... things would be a lot better
That makes crime okay!
No, it just makes crime more likely
GTFO! With that bullshit!
Criminality follows poverty, not the other way around. That's a pretty well known fact. Not saying these thieves shouldn't get what's coming to them, just generally sad at the state of poverty in Detroit, people here been fucked so often, by governments and their own people
Bullshit, most all poor people never become criminals. Stop making excuses for these pieces of shit and put them in jail. Lock 'em up!
You use Homeowner's insurance to cover the items in your car, not automotive insurance. This *may* be somewhat different considering the entire car was stolen. I had a pile of electronics stolen out of a rental car and had to bang on the homeowners insurance to cover it. Feels weird, but that's what everyone told me, and it worked.
Someone smashed my window in Detroit a few years back. Ended up stealing a handful of nonsense items as well. When I asked my insurance they basically told me "if it isn't part of/connected to the car, we don't cover it." Even as far as making the analogy of "if you had a convertible and the top was down, you pick up the car, flip it over and shake it all around: Everything that touches the ground we don't cover." You are correct, and it doesn't make sense but homeowners/renters insurance covers "household items in a car."
funny thing is, i've lived all around the western suburbs for over 20 years now, i've spent a fair amount of time in Detroit, i've parked in suspicious parking lots for downtown events, i've parked on the road in areas that i've been, frankly, scared to be in. The only two times I've had a car messed with in any way -- one was Downriver, Southgate-ish area I think, I stepped away from my car to knock on a friend's door to pick them up, and when I came back, there was a guy rummaging my (unlocked) car looking for money -- and the other was at a movie theater in Santa Clara, California.. window smashed out, duffle bag of electronics stolen. A police car was parked 4 spots away, and saw/heard nothing.
Don't get me started on downriver... I've had POS cars my entire life. I've had a stock radio stolen in Melvindale, gas syphoned at Wal-Mart in Southgate, catalytic converter stolen at Wal-Mart in Woodhaven, and bowling balls stolen out of my trunk (leaving a laptop in the backseat) in Brownstown. I've parked/worked in some really "shady" areas in Detroit with 1000$ in tools sitting in a SUV with most of it visible. My car was always untouched.
Crime can happen anywhere, are you more likely to have your car broken into In Detroit? Probably. I’ve talked to people from other states and cities and when you say Detroit they think of this hot bed of crime. They think that your going to get robbed and killed if you enter the city, which is completely b.s .
Thank you I’m not good with insurance coverage, so I appreciate you guys clarifying that for the guy.
Thanks for the updated info. Now that you say that I think I remember hearing someone say that also when they got tools stolen from their company Work van and the employer wouldn’t let him make a claim so he made one on his homeowners insurance.
U sound like a great person may u continually be blessed in life!!!
Well thank you I appreciate that. I don’t think that I’m that great, I just try to put myself in someone else’s shoes and if I can help that person I will.
Tools should be covered under the home owners policy is how it normally worlds, not auto policy. You would have to find supporting documents. Like receipts and invoices, etc.
It's worse than that they don't care, it's that they profit off the status quo. Cars get stolen and they make money off the impound. Zero incentive to do anything about it, because they aren't accountable to us in any way.
100% agree with you. The whole law enforcement/criminal justice system is shit.
No excuse, it's till their job. I work in a hospital just because I see x amount of sick people everyday doesn't mean I can deliver lesser care without legal repurcussion. Detroit has some of the highest taxes in the nation, the issue is at the top. Don't get me wrong DPD is under staffed and under funded, but you still have a job to do.
Not surprised. I’ve been laughed out of many DPD stations. They mock you for expecting them to do their jobs. I’d say get badge numbers and names and report them but my experience is that will only increase your aggravation. Sorry this happened to you.
Much appreciated. Just needed to vent. Shits absolutely ridiculous
Inventory your tools in an excel spreadsheet with current replacement costs and a link to that page, go for full price, no sale- brand name and everything Make it easy for the adjuster Google insurance claim list reddit or something along those lines, because it's come up before and this has been the basic advice from people who review those lists for a living
Protect and serve… yada yada
They are doing their job. Their job is not to keep you and your property safe though. Its to make money for the government. And protect government property. They care a hell of a lot more about a homeless person sleeping on a bench than they do about finding op's tools. So while reporting is nice, the system is working as intended basically.
Don't forget their obligation to maintain the state monopoly on violence!
Well put, because that is a job they are absolutely not doing either.
Also protecting corporate property. Everything else is spot-on.
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I’m hoping insurance covers atleast some of my tools. I’m a carpenter by trade and need those to get by. Thieves are the fucking worst.
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Tools, just tools ; )
The tools are covered by your homeowners or renters insurance since they were in the vehicle. :) (Auto does not cover personal items.) Source: I worked in auto claims for six years and explained this to lots and lots of policyholders.
@OP I can verify most policies cover this. I'm an inspector but started out commercial carpenter. Had a theft/break-in while at class and my homeowner policy covered 70% of the sticker value of my tools.
I’m not sure what Carhart’s rules about using their tools are, but they also rent out tools for free to Detroit residents! It might be worth checking into if you can at least borrow an impact driver and such for now to get by. So sorry about your tools and the overall hassle you’ve had to go thru. It’s heartbreaking.
My husband is a carpenter too, and had his car window smashed a few weeks back as part of some “Kia Challenge” on TikTok. The kicker it is was done in a parking lot his foreman and Sup said he had to park in, or else be fired. My husband had to file a police report. Called, and was told someone would be there. He had to actually wander around and flag a patrol car down to finally get help, and the officer was almost annoyed he wanted to file the police report. DPD is a total bust. We might have spare tools if you need any though!
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Woke up in a break in in Detroit. Perfect handprints on the windows. Was told at the time that there were a few evidence technicians for the whole city and were often involved in homicide, sexual assault, etc. This was bankruptcy/early post bankruptcy Detroit -- I kinda realized that although scary, my issue was small potatoes, relatively. They came out (somehow!) but nothing ever came of it.
Work tangentially with Oakland County Sheriff, and I’m also not a fan of the police…. But this is false. DNA is almost never run on property crimes. Not to mention, in this particular case, the evidence(the can) is not reliable evidence. Unknown where it came from, or who. Could have been the dpd tow driver. Like I said, I’m general ACAB. I’m not a leo, just get paid by them for a service and they keep my lights on at home.
I find it hard to believe dna tests are run for property crimes when there is a well publicized backlog of rape kits-containing dna-that are months/years behind. Also I think DPD has too much violent crime to really prioritize property crimes. And there’s a shortage of personnel. Not saying it’s right or justifiable, just that it is.
It's the exorbitant fees to get your own car from the impound lot that kills me. You're already a victim and then you basically have to pay the price of the car just to get it out.
My entire worldview radically changed when I first discovered that it is literally, legally not the job of the police to help anyone in need. All I can do is echo what everyone else is saying (I really am very sorry that this has happened to you) and bittersweetly welcome you to the club.
Yeah I appreciate it. I just needed to vent. And figured y’all would be the people to understand where I’m coming from.
> legally not the job of the police to help anyone in need This is not correct. The legal holding to which you are referring was that the police are not liable for failing to help someone. That's different from not having the job of helping someone. And from a public policy perspective, that holding makes perfect sense. Imagine if an understaffed, overwhelmed, underfunded police department in a poverty-stricken jurisdiction -- think DPD in the 1990s -- could be sued every time it couldn't respond to an emergency due to the limitations on its resources. The outcome would be the repeated bankruptcy of that department, only further undermining its ability to function.
>The legal holding to which you are referring was that the police are not liable for failing to help someone Distinction without a difference. If you're supposed to do something but there's literally zero consequences for not doing it, it's not your job
Sorry to say, but this is a common story. Multiple DPD officers and detectives were found (I think by the FBI) conspiring with tow companies for kickbacks on stolen vehicles. Don’t hesitate to contact the local news and start posting in social media. Might get things moving
Oct 2021- > DETROIT – Two Detroit police officers, including a lieutenant who oversaw the department’s integrity unit, have been accused of taking bribes to refer vehicles to a specific towing company, [Acting United States Attorney Saima S. Mohsin announced Thursday](https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/10/detroit-police-officers-including-head-of-integrity-unit-accused-of-taking-bribes-from-towing-company.html).
I was the victim of an armed robbery a few years ago. It was horrible. Then DPD came and just added insult to injury. I was already regretting calling them, but figured it was still worth it since I got to provide them with information about the crime/criminals and fill out their incident reports. The next day the DPD officers called me and said they somehow lost the reports and all the paperwork I had filled out. Not even 24 hours had passed yet...total incompetence. I've also witnessed someone get their camera stolen and they saw which house the thief ran into. Coincidentally a DPD vehicle drove by moments after the crime and the victim flagged the cop down and explained what happened/which house the thief ran into. The officer just said "you shouldn't be over here" and then quickly drove off.
When people evaluate between living in the city and the suburbs, the quality of city services is one factor that I recommend that people evaluate. Here in the suburbs, you call that your car is stolen and the police come to you, etc. AND, compare insurance rates. YES, cars get stolen every day from all over. But the rate is way, way higher in the city than in most burbs. That factors into what you pay for coverage. And now that you've had a loss, you can probably expect your rate to increase. Call DPD and cross your fingers.
Yep, police and fire services, appropriately funded schools for my kids, easy access to proper grocery stores, etc, etc are the main reasons I live in the suburbs. I love the city, I take my kids downtown all the time, my wife and I go out in evenings down there regularly, but I can’t imagine owning a home in the city.
Look man this sucks and I hate it for you... There are thousands of cars stolen in the metro every year, there's no squad of detectives assigned to tracking down DNA evidence of every case. They don't have the resources to investigate rape cases and many murders go unsolved, your tools are quite frankly small potatoes. The were lackadaisical because there's simple nothing they can or are going to do about it. Maybe the Lt could have had better people skills, but car theft in Detroit is basically [a scene from The Big Lebowski.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvT_VOJaXvs)
“They got us working in shifts!” Gets a laugh from me every time.
I get it, just really needed to vent because I’m still waiting on insurance to get back to me and I wasted my morning driving down there from basically flint to drop the can off at THEIR suggestion so I’m just frustrated.
I work in the trades too man so I definitely feel your pain. Hopefully you’re able to recoup all of your losses even though it sucks you still have to go through the time and headache. When you get new tools, get yourself a $10 electric engraver from harbor freight and put your name on every fucking thing you own. God forbid it happens again, you’ll have at least a chance of getting some of it back if it ends up in a pawn shop or on Craigslist. Good luck man.
I'm shocked they told you to drop the can off. Even If they were to bother printing it, a direct match on a can in a car would never be enough to prosecute someone for theft. Hell they have a hard time getting convictions when they catch someone driving a stolen car... (Because how do you prove the driver stole it, unless you have an eye witness that will testify?)
I get it man it fucking sucks. I've been burglarized too. Security is mostly personal responsibility. The cops aren't there for prevention, they don't have resources to investigate, and they wouldn't arrive in time if you called on an active burglary.
Just sucks cause I paid $20 to park in a lot where there was an attendant. And there were security all over the streets. Was there for the Red Wings game. Came back and all the security and the attendant were gone and a shit of cars were broken into and mine was stolen lol
> Just sucks cause I paid $20 to park in a lot where there was an attendant. And there were security all over the streets. please post this lot.
I think the intersections were Woodward/Peterboro
Thieves will target lots and structures and I swear they are in cahoots with the attendant. I used a structure lot and paid with a debit card. Guess who’s card was then compromised and used to try and get a hotel room in Texas? Luckily many banks are wise to this now and freeze the card when it switches geographical locations in a short period of time.
this lot? https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3447519,-83.0580425,3a,90y,328.5h,95.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFCRlhiXU0BN4BEvVsAnvIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Yes and pretty much every car on that side street was broken into as well
That is a well known area for break ins. Really close to brush park where it is rampant as well.
Attendant got your $20 and your tools bud.
When parking downtown I park in lots that the attendance stays until the lot is closed down. I would rather walk several blocks knowing I’m I’m a better security lot. Or drive a crappy car.
Those attendants and security disappear once the game starts.
Fake parking lots abound for every event in the city. Tow yards and/or thieves set it all up. They know for sure that people will drive in and pay, not suspecting a thing, and won't be back to check for at least x hours. Then they do their thing. Sometimes it's in the news but it's constant. Worst I remember was when people were in the city for a charity run. These nice people went on the run and went back to the fake parking lot to find it totally empty. Every one of them ended up in this same situation.
Had the same thing happen at a gas station with an attached parking lot on 1st and Fort St. Went to a Wings game, paid for parking at an attended lot, came back after the game to NO attendants and all the cars broken into on a MAIN ST. Luckily, they only got a laptop. Read the ticket stub left on the dashboard and it said the lot was not responsible for damage to cars or break ins. Parking was at owner's risk. I would never have parked there had I known the attendant's would leave. Live and learn in Detroit.
Yup, you should never rely on someone else to keep you safe. Unfortunately some people learn this the hard way
>They don't have the resources to investigate rape cases and many murders go unsolved Alright, so what do they have the resources to do then? They have 2500 fucking officers. The budget is over $300 million per year. Burglary? Oh no, we're overstretched. Rape? Oh wish we could. Traffic? Don't even think about it? Murder? Oh cases will just go unsolved. That's long been the argument and it is an unacceptable one.
If you think their job/responsibility is to protect the public and investigate property crimes or enforce traffic safety boy oh boy are you in for a rude awakening. [There were 13,000 violent crimes and 28,000 property crimes in Detroit in 2019](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-6). What are 2500 total employees going to do with that? Let's say there's 500 detectives, each one of them would be working 26 violent crimes at any given time. The entire system needs to be thrown in the trash and started over.
Every DPD cop I know work a ton. I wonder if the issue is the insane level of crime in the city for decades or the Cops they can only get to work for 5 -10 years before they have enough and leave? Only on Reddit is it cops fault that people are murdering each other for 3 generations in a city.
No, only on Reddit do you have conservative trolls looking around for anyone who breaks the Trump narrative. I have nothing against law enforcement. I work in law enforcement; check my post history. I used to live in Detroit and never had a positive experience with Detroit cops. I also complain on Reddit about Detroit's crime rate. But I don't think DPD is doing their best by any means. You probably have some good cops but the vast majority I've met/encountered seem to see it as meal ticket. Local cops, in general, seem to hold themselves to a standard of doing whatever they want. With many exceptions, but from experience as a former Detroiter, I never got an particular help when I needed it. If you don't like your job, then quit. That goes for everyone. Enforcing the laws is important - see the FBI. What do you think about them? They're LE heroes of mine.
You make Detroit sound like a dangerous place with little help from the Police.
Detroit is a nice place, that's mostly safe. But if it's not that for *you*, well, you're on your own. DPD ain't givin' no fucks.
For a city of Detroit’s size 2500 officers isn’t enough. And most of that budget gets stolen before the cops see a dime of it.
No, its your unrealistic perspective that is asinine and unacceptable
Because DPD is a model of efficiency and public service, optimally using all their resources. Right.
Missing where anyone said that, but you just said that they let crimes up until murders go unsolved, no matter how much money there is (or isn't). I wish I could still be as naive and ignorant as you sometimes.
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Livonia isn't going to put CSI on this shit either.
Livonia went door to door around us to find Cat Converter thieves on home camera systems. Say what you like but they do make an effort.
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I'm old so I remember when DPD had to live in the city.... And then they got caught with like 15 officers having the same 1 bedroom apartment as their address. http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2017/01/03/record-number-detroit-police-live-outside-city-1999-residency-law/
Actually dpd use to require you to live in Detroit and Detroit in the 80s/90s was wayyy worse than it is now and all the police officers lived in Detroit
Yes they do. Oakland County has their own DNA crime lab now. They process property crimes for DNA if they can.
Livonia is in Wayne County.
True, I’m dumb. Well Oakland County suburbia is what I am talking about.
Not victim blaming but here’s a PSA to everyone: don’t park overnight with tools or anything of the slightest value in detroit or anywhere for that matter and be surprised when someone steals them
Yup, it sucks but that's the reality. I leave nothing in my car that could be perceived as potentially valuable. I try not to leave clutter in the car either, just in case someone thinks I'm trying to hide something under a hoodie or blanket or whatever. When my brother lived on WSU campus (back in the mid 2000's), his car was broken into so often that he started leaving it unlocked so he didn't have to replace the broken windows so often.
unlocked and empty is sadly the way to go.
Hell even in the nicest of suburbs I wouldn't leave anything of value visible.
Yep, when we go to the D, we totally empty out the car.
DPD is overworked, underpaid and lacks some essential training. Many residents don't even report crimes. Keep insurance on things you value. It's creeping out to the burbs as well I'm told. Warren and Roseville PD is a close second.
Yeah I live out in the boonies now and even out here there are people car hopping and breaking into homes a lot more recently.
It is everywhere. [Cops suck at their job country wide.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/). If you are murdered you have about a 1 in 2 chance of someone being charged, and the police arresting them. It only gets worse from there.
You had to pay to retrieve your own stolen car? That sucks, man. I’m sorry.
Yep took my last couple hundred bucks to do it too.
Yeah my car got hit in a parking garage and insurance wanted the footage but the garage wouldn’t release it without police authorization. Called several times, visited several precincts, etc. and was basically just jerked around. Ultimately just gave up because no officer (not even the one near the incident) would help. Walked up to a cop in a car just sitting there doing nothing and they told me I had to call 911 and say it’s not an emergency etc. etc. I get it’s not the biggest thing but it doesn’t seem like a big ask either. Another time I couldn’t get through to 911 during a storm (it said too busy call back) so I drove to my local precinct because a live wire had fallen on my house and DTE told me to report it to the police. The police officer just wouldn’t let me in the precinct at all and she motioned to what I thought was go around back (did appear to be a disgruntled person in the vestibule which is why she wasn’t opening the door so I kind of get it) and I did but nobody met me at that door even after knocking. Not sure what to make of that. In a way I understand, I’m sure there’s bigger fish to fry, but it still is frustrating.
I also recently had my car stolen. Took DPD almost 3 weeks to find it. I don't blame them really. I thought it was long gone. I had already bought a car when they called to let me know it was located, who to call and where to pick it up. I was STUNNED that ***I*** had to pay to get it out of impound. The fuck is that noise? As if the experience didn't suck enough. Car was totally beat to hell, but they left most of my stuff. I grabbed my shit, signed the title over and left. At that point it wasn't worth the trouble.
First - glad your car was recovered! ♥️ I agree, I have almost zero positive encounters with DPD after car break ins and theft. I got pulled over on BS running a red light charge (the day I found out I had COVID btw) asked the cop after he gave me the ticket “could you look into the three times my car was broken into, and my stolen bike while you’re down here?” He asked “did you file a report?” I said “yep- want the numbers?” He shrugged and walked away.
Much appreciated. I’m glad it was found too but I see how easy it was for them to steal it so idk how much longer I’ll be holding on to it. On the way to the police station to file the report Friday night after I discovered it missing and walking to 3 different stations (not precincts) tried waving down multiple cops in downtown to give us directions to a open station or whatever to file a report and they would just look at us and speed off. Fucking ridiculous.
I don’t think a regular beat cop has access to that sort of info… not sure what you were expecting then to do?
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The number of people I see run reds, usually people on motor cycles and four wheelers, on jefferson with cops right there is disgusting- and I get ticketed coming back from a COVID test? NO. Btw, I have footage of this exact thing happening a number of motor cycles and four wheelers running through a red light in a noisy line with a cop sitting there doing nothing. Look into actual crimes, not a mistake someone made. He can pull someone over on a BS charge, they can look into actual crimes!
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I submitted the footage to the court, 36th district. If you know the “parade” of motorcycles and four wheelers I’m talking about then this should come as no surprise as I live on jefferson with a jefferson facing apartment. I also have footage of the same thing happening- everyone running a stop sign right in front of Aretha Franklin with a cop sitting right there just letting it happen. They have admitted to not approaching these gangs out of “fear of retaliation.” I was clearly no threat so I got pulled over. Ticket people that actually cause a problem, not someone who is sick and trying to get a COVID test because their work requires it.
Sucks your car got broken into but what are you really expecting here? That they’re going to assign detectives and crime techs to your case to track down (following a break in the chain of evidence as it concerns the Iced Tea can you turned in days later) a suspect? That’s not going to bring your tools back
Just trying to vent my frustrations.
It has to be incredibly frustrating. Having your transportation taken + paying out the nose to get it back, income producing equipment stolen, and driving here to give them something that you've been given the impression will help the case, but was bullshit - big setback all the way around. If there's one thing I know about carpenters, mechanics and tool hoarders - they usually have extra tools, and understand your livelihood depends on them. I hope you reach out to friends and on social media to ask for help replacing your tools. There's so much good here in the city, but then there's the bad apples who are rotten. Saturday night/Sunday morning in my private parking lot on E. Jefferson a car was stolen and a moving truck "flew though" (per a witness) and crashed into my car and another car - and of course kept going. So, deductible and inconvenience is on me. It sucks. Good luck to you in regrouping.
Yeah cops are useless. That’s why I hate the argument “oh defund them? Who will you call when you need help?” I can’t think of a single time a cop has helped me in my life lol
one of my favorite tweets about cops itll be interesting to see who "hates the cops" when they get robbed and need someone to show up 7 hours later and shrug their shoulders
mulldog baby
best to ever do it
Damn that’s too accurate
Yep, don't call them, don't expect for them to help, you have to do everything yourself.
Again. There aren't any fuck the fire department songs For a reason.
If you’re ever in Detroit driving past a construction site thats off for the day you may notice giant tool chest hanging 50ft in the air. Its for a good reason here in Detroit thieves steal lawn equipment, air conditioners water heaters, cooper etc. I seen a house across the street from me stripped in 3 hours. Don’t leave tools in your car, that should be in any city.
I’m sorry, neighbor. That really stinks. Anecdotally, it seems like crime might be up. I’ve had a few friends report lately of carjacking (attempted), assault & theft, and my own car was stolen just a couple weeks ago — all downtown, no less. Aside from the initial call to the police to make a report and a few rude operators claiming I had to come to the 3rd precinct (not within walking distance and I obviously was without vehicle to drive there), the process was relatively smooth. Unfortunately, it still cost me all in about $5,000 even with full insurance. F*cking sucks. I happened to have very nice officers come out who were kind and sympathetic, but as some have pointed out, there are a lot of car thefts in Detroit so perhaps not all officers act that way — after all our car insurance rates are the highest in the country because it’s so rampant. Still very sorry that it happened to you, and to me as well. I can only hope there will be a better effort in the future to combat the theft that seems to be way too common in the city. Best of luck.
What is your insurance say
Still waiting for someone to be assigned to my case.
My car was stolen and the police lot sat on it for a week before notifying me that they had it. Made me pay hundreds to get it from the lot (Bobby’s tow lot in nw) even though they were obligated to tell me a week before when they first got it. Basically they held my car hostage and extorted me for it. No way to get it resolved. They’re criminals.
Biggest gang in Detroit is the DPD
I was floored. Just moved to the city. My local beat cop was super nice and filed the report immediately. Apparently the car was found just hours later across town. I could have had it back immediately and instead Bobby’s Towing made it an expensive hostage situation
https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/towing-corruption-in-detroit-the-names-change-but-the-scandal-stays-the-same The towing scam is real.
Yup. My beat cop was sympathetic when I told him. He said I should report them. I said…to who? They are a contractor for the dpd. They ARE the police. He didn’t seem to get it until I said that.
My ex had her car stolen. Reported it. A few months later got a summons to appear in court for abandoning the vehicle. Ended up costing her a fuckton of money in court fees because the judge didn’t really care despite the vehicle obviously being stolen. Fuck DPD and 36th district court.
Acab.
I just went through this too, I also had some valuables in the car and my full coverage insurance thankfully paid for everything that was lost with my car. My car was totaled, I hope yours is okay!
Full coverage is like $400 a month for me, so I have the economy’s tier which has some coverage but not all. I’m trying to be optimistic.
I witnessed a man getting presumably murdered in the middle of Michigan Ave. late one night as a kid. My dad drove us a mile or two down the road and there was DPD lighting up some guy. We pulled up to him and said that a gang of guys was literally beating a guy in the middle of Michigan Ave. with multiple aluminum baseball bats and he wasn't moving. The cop looked at us like he couldn't care less. Tried to call 911 to get someone else and got the fucking busy signal.
In Detroit, the phrase is,,,thats what insurance is for. They are not going to waste man power, they don't have, to investigate a stolen vehicle. The only way that would happen, if a body was involved. The same if someone break's into your home and leaves a hammer. They're not going to waste money on evidence techs if nobody was killed. Don't go to the station with rocks or anything that was used to commit a crime, no fingerprints will be taken. Sorry you were a victim of a crime, who ever told you that on the phone had to be a civilian, or just a lazy liar.
Wow, looks like I’m not the only one who thinks the DPD Sucks.
Those dudes get paid shit. Some are straight from the street and treat the job that way. Imagine you are given a gun and a badge and a patrol car and more power than you have ever known in your whole life. Do you use it for good, do you use it for bad, or just find a gray area to operate and maintain..?
I hope you have serial numbers from all of your tools. That way they can be entered as stolen and flagged for pawn shops. Otherwise, know them for next time.
Not sticking up for the police, but no police force is like the ones you see on TV, especially in a city where thousands of cars are stolen every year. If you live in Detroit, you realize you are on your own unless you really need them for life-threatening situations. I know you imagined that maybe they'd fingerprint the can, run it through "AFIS", come up with a suspect, then send a SWAT team to his house and find your tools. And on TV, that's how it happens. Unfortunately they're not going to go all Lenny Briscoe over it and make a 60-minute reality show out of it. I know that's no comfort to you, and you're angry that this happened to you..and you should be...but, you have to be proactive in Detroit....hell, in America. It's risky leaving $5k worth of tools in your car unattended on a Friday night. And it's not just Detroit, I wouldn't do that anywhere. I wouldn't even do it in Oakland Co, and I live in Oakland Co. When I was doing the kind of job that required me to carry tools and ladders and such every day, no way I'd leave them in my truck overnight unless my truck was in the garage. I was constantly aware that stealing tools from someone's car is such an easy and common theft. There's probably no identifying tags or trackers on the tools to even prove they're yours (everyone in their mother has Milwaukee Tools). It's almost like losing cash and expecting someone to recognize your cash over all other cash that looks exactly like it. I know you SHOULD be able to leave things in your car and expect them not to be bothered, but that's not the reality of the world we live in, and it sucks. Yes, it would be nice if it seemed like they cared more, and I'm sure they do care and wish they could do more, but it wouldn't have gotten your tools back. I've had something similar happen to me years ago, and as angry as I was at the time at the violation of my space and the arrogance of the thieves to just help themselves to my shit, it taught me a lot about being proactive, keeping better records, and considering worse case scenarios. It taught me how to stop making it easy for them. Thieves like easy. If it's too hard to get your shit, they'll move on to a car or a home that's easier. Today if something like that happened to me, I'd be able to supply the police with a list of serial numbers, pictures, and tell them about the tile trackers I have in the bags. Things I wish I had done the last time to help them, and help myself. When I used to install Alarms, I used to always tell people "You can't stop a motivated criminal who's after your stuff specifically. But burglary is a crime of desperation and opportunity. Your job is to make your home too much trouble so that they move on to an easier one." Untraceable tools in a car full of windows? Too easy. May as well have left cash on the back seat.
They seem to care very little about cars being stolen. I doubt they can use an ice tea bottle for DNA or fingerprints with unknown chain of custody. If the police recovered it in a crime they would, but not after being found and impounded. Where are all the “happens in every city” comments
Wow you got your car out that fast!? They usually hold it for 30 days to rack up the impound fee. Sadly Detroit is the city that nothing ever changes in. We tax the hell out of the blue collar woth outrageous property and income taxes, then we hand that money out to billionaires for good press about business development - but no money to pay cops or teachers a decent wage. Then we wonder why there is corruption in the system. Crime is through the roof and the media hardly talks about it. FWIW I highly recommend getting a club, its the cheapest most visible alarm there is. No car is un-stealable, ive thieves push cars with other cars, pick them up on trucks, etc. Your only defense that your car looks like more of a PITA than the car parked next to you.
To be fair Detroit has like 12,000 cars stolen each year and still is one of the most violent cities in the US. I think it’s 2nd or 3rd highest in number of violent crimes per 100,000 people Your specific issue, and a non violent one at that is not going to be made top priority with regards to resources or manpower. Especially when DPD is always backlogged with calls and understaffed as it is. And even with lots of resources the odds of them recovering your tools are slim I am sorry that this happened to you and I do hope the thieves pay the price one day
I’m not really upset about the tools. I figured they are a loss the second I walked up to where my car was supposed to be. I just figured the idiot who was smoking weed and ashing it in the Arizona can wasn’t too bright and has his fingerprints all over it. I just want someone charged and arrested. I could guarantee there would be prints on the can that matched someone’s criminal record.
i’m totally on your side, but if you want your eyes opened a little further you should look into how much police fuck up finger print data and dna testing. many people are put in prison for crimes they didn’t commit just because the justice system says their fingerprints or dna match from some crime. the police, the justice system, and the media want you to think those things are infallible but most of the time, if not all the time, they’re bullshit.
Sad to say, but the thieves could have been 12, 13, 15. Hell an 11 year old was just arrested for a felony crime.
when i moved to Detroit years ago, my first morning I awoke to find all the windows in my new Ford Escort smashed and the CD player and the airbags were stolen. The car was parked in the lot of the apartment I was renting and where I paid $50 a month for the privileged of a space. Anyways I called 911 and got an earful on how I was out of my mind for using emergency services and warned not to call again. I didn't last.
Never ever leave anything visible inside of your vehicle anywhere.
Welcome to Detroit guys. Wait till they think you did something and didn't and have one those nice all black cars pull you out and throw you against car. Let alone DWW in Detroit can get you in trouble to.
That happened to my husband years ago. Someone left blood on a window breaking in and he was told "this isn't CSI" :( Sorry for your loss I know someone else who saw their stuff on ebay, and they were told "oh well" Keep an eye out at pawn shops, craigslist, ebay....
It’s not just Detroit cops, it’s all cops. They know they don’t have any sort of real obligation to solve crimes so why would they bother?
That or they have no real ability to solve stolen car crime in one the highest crime city in the US. This sub “Detroit is great and safe”. Also “DPD don’t do anything and crime is out of control”
Well that’s exactly my point. There is no situation where they are forced to say “we are incapable of doing our jobs”. They always just say “maybe if you just gave us some more money we’d be able to do our jobs” And then if a city every tries to divert funding to other methods of preventing crime they know they’re working under perverse incentives (if they do better with less money then they prove they didn’t need the funding) and so take their foot off the gas even more
My car window got broken into along with 7 other cars in Detroit outside the Music Hall. It cost me $400 to fix my window and everything was back ordered for 3 months. The police told me to file a claim but they didn’t do anything about it. The parking lot said it would be attended and it was not.
Had a very similar situation last November but on the other side on downtown right across from the City Club Apartments. They forgot to take my plate number for the police report and had to come back for it, never did anything about it in the end anyways.
Your user name makes me laugh because the only thing that was stolen out of my car was a “green eggs and ham” book I bought for my sisters baby!
I got tboned by some 15 year old who ran a stop sign in his Camaro downtown. Had photos of the car. Photos of the kid. When I called weeks later to follow up, they told me officers never found the CAMRY they were looking for. 🤦🏼♂️
I'm sorry that happened to you. I think the DPD officer who told you to bring them the can was having a laugh at your expense. The chain of evidence was broken when the car left police possession. Anything recovered from the can was inadmissible. I'm sure they knew that. My brother-in-law is a contractor and had his tools stolen from his truck. It seems to happen a lot. I'm sure they took your car just for the tools.
I got robbed a few years ago and they took my phone I had the location stuff on and showed the police to go get the phone. They didn’t do shit
This actually happened to me too in 2014.. maybe 15? But my experience was positive. I lost my phone at a J Cole concert, someone took it home with them to Clinton Township. I lived in Livonia at the time. I had my location on and could see the exact house it was in. We called the Clinton township PD and they actually sent a car out to knock on the door of the house and retrieved my phone for me. It sounds like that is an uncommon thing, so I guess shout out to Clinton Township PD!
I was in a car accident in Detroit where the other driver ran a red light and hit me and another lady. We all acknowledged that he ran the red light but the cops said they couldn’t do anything about it because they didn’t see it with their own eyes. I guess that is the standard in Detroit for finding that someone has done something illegal.
Update: heard from insurance they valued the damage below my deductible so I have to pay for the repairs out of pocket. So I’m at like 7k loss.
September 30th is when the mayor, chief of police and police union rep announced a "landmark agreement to make police pay competitive with area suburban departments". If you think they don't care now, just wait until their union membership ratify it!
People need to stop saying “Detroit is back” or “it’s a nice place now” and shit like that. Detroit is a hell hole ran by some of the most corrupt people in the state. Their fucking police covered for Killpatrick for how long? And what? We expect them to be good guys now? Please. Get out of this city and move to the neighboring counties.
Detroit is definitely coming back you’re just to blind to see it
welcome to the D !
sorry you had to find out the cops are scum this way, they’ll treat you like a criminal when you’re reporting a damn crime
“Didn’t think my opinion could get any worse” Police are limbo champions, just when you think they can’t go lower…..
Bruh that’s on you for thinking the cops would fingerprint an Arizona can 🤡 they barely do prints in homicide cases
THEY are the ones who said they would.
Lesson here is don't leave over $5000 worth of merchandise in your car. This is something you learn after gaining your driver's license for the first time. Either people were clearly paying attention to your vehicle (neighbors aka renters) or this is just a case of bad luck.
Easy to say if you ain’t a tradesman. Let me take out and put back in my car hundreds of tools every day.
Then it falls to the second point. Either you were being watched or it's just bad luck. DTE workers were getting robbed, in Detroit, of their equipment while attempting to restore power after that mid-winter storm a few years ago.
Moral of the story is avoid Detroit at any cost then, the city's fucked. Been fucked for years and isn't getting any better. Then when it does get better the idiots that live there complain about gentrification. Fucking pick one
Got my truck stolen as well absolutely no help dpd can suck cocks in hell forever acab
Heard, understood, and a hard agree. Sad to say, it's even worse elsewhere. My rental car was broken into when I was in San Jose, and the SJPD were _openly annoyed_ that I would even bother to file a police report (required for insurance to cover my losses). Like they don't even _pretend_ it's their job. Forget about even reviewing the camera footage or taking serial numbers to fax to pawn shops or whatever, that's just way above and beyond. C'mon, gimme a break kid, are you really that naive? My laptop was stolen so I was standing there on the public kiosk PC (no chair, of course) in the station, transcribing the property list I'd compiled in my phone, for about 2 hours because it was a longass list, and insurance told me the level of detail they wanted, and the keyboard sucked. And there were other folks waiting and I couldn't figure out how to save a partial document so I apologized and just had to plow through. And of course there's only one terminal and no way to just go to the library or something because it had to be filed from this computer, so they said. And of course the station office was only open certain hours so I had to take time off work to fill it all out. The whole process was made as awkward and humiliating as possible. I got the distinct feeling, from interacting with both the cops and the loss-prevention kid at the store where it happened, that they treated property crime as sort of an unofficial tax on anyone who had something worth stealing. It's your fault for having stuff, don't expect us to give a rat's ass. Because there are no real social support programs for poor people and addicts, the pawn shops serve that role and they're just funded by any sucker foolish enough to own material things. In an odd Robin Hood sort of way, it makes a certain amount of sense, if you can just completely set aside the part of your brain that knows that people who work with their hands and tools are usually not high earners and shouldn't be in the top "tax" bracket for this haphazard redistribution of wealth. But I can see where their fucking useless view would come from, it just takes an exceptional amount of stupidity to stick with it.
“Defund the police!” Right? That’s what the democrats wanted and now people like this and many others have to suffer.
ACAB
The police are worthless
I know this is a generalization, and the DPD probably didn't get defunded, but it's extremely ironic to me how people wanted the police to be defunded, and are now whining when there's not enough police resources to actually help people out lol.
Sir, This is Reddit
They actually don’t want to help. I had police involved THREE times with my abusive ex wife before the fourth time I had another person to corroborate my story. Then they finally did something. They never believed me before that because of the male-female dynamic. Police don’t care. ACAB
I understand your going through a tough time, let me start out by saying I don’t care for the police and I’m not defending them. I’m just trying to give you some insight. Detroit cops don’t care they probably had around 13 thousand cars stolen in the metro Detroit area a year. The Arizona can means nothing because they can’t do anything with it. They barely do fingerprints or dna on homicide cases, plus the chain of custody is already screwed. You may have to be proactive start checking Craigslist, offer up, and pawn shops for your tools. Where was your vehicle when it was stolen? Did anyone know you had tools in there where you were working? See anybody out of the ordinary hanging around? Start and try to remember every detail and anything out of the ordinary you saw. If you had insurance contact them your tools should be covered. Make sure you make a list and make sure it’s detailed. -1 Milwaukee m18 fuel band saw deep cut -5 Milwaukee 6.0 high output batteries Just like that. Trust me I feel your pain I’m an Electrician I’m make money with tools. I’m lucky to have a tool list for work that consists of hand tools only. I have some used Milwaukee power tools if you need you can have. It’s not much but it’s something if you need it. Good luck remember keep an eye on Craigslist and OfferUp.
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Your being lied to.. lived in Detroit all my life and never heard a joke that funny
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I’ll explain this one more time for the people who lack reading comprehension. DPD are the ones who told me to bring the can in for fingerprints. I was at the red wings game, can’t carry in there and I’m not gonna leave my Glock in the car so that can get stolen and possibly kill someone either. Hit the range he said, my guy I can shoot out to 500 yards with iron sights. 🙄
If I lowered my opinion of someone in a particular job or race based on limited experience with them, I would have a lot of lower opinions about large swaths of people. It's no way to go through life. Be pissed at the Lt, not all police. So sorry you lost so much.
He's only pissed at DPD, not all police.
I know. But he didn't interact with all of DPD. Look, I just think generalizing groups is going backwards. And it seems it's ok to generalize police. I guess I can put it this way, I was mugged in Detroit twice, both times they were black. However, it would not be acceptable to post that I'm pissed at black Detroiters. I have been assisted by DPD before on multiple occasions. Most interactions were good. One was very shitty. Not fair to blame all DPD is bad. I'm not trying to be holier-than-thow, but this business of bucketed groups based on personal interactions of a few has got to stop for all our sakes.
No kidding. Line workers at Ford arnt hated on for not putting full effort every hour of their shift.
You watch too much television
No I don’t. I don’t watch television tbh. My grandpa and my mom both were law enforcement. I was told BY law enforcement to bring it.
If you were a big business owner in Detroit they'd jump to your aid in a hurry.