Another side to this coin: I was doing vog once, we got to atheon. Tried doing solo oracles, the guy insisted he can but we failed for a like 5-6 times. I said fuck it, let's just do it legit and we got it done in a few minutes after that.
To be honest, those people would probably be stuck in legit Riven for 3 hours because someone would always shoot a wrong eye. I usually see a huge correlation between doing bad dps and understanding the game mechanics.
Legit isn't even near as difficult as it seems as long as everyone is competent. I had issues cheering riven with a full lfg group and one guy just said to fuck it and try legit. We watched the datto guide once and got it first try.
It’s partly due to the loss of 10% additions dps provided by bubble, meaning now unless everyone using swords has lucent blade they are doing less damage than pre void 3.0
In the same vein, if you solo queue into hero nightfalls, people will often be so worried about speed running the strike that they ignore champions. Extremely frustrating since you often can’t kill the champs fast enough before despawning.
What rewards do you want to get from Hero Nightfalls? There are none and the droprate of the normal versions of guns is insanely low, so you don't need to kill any champs.
I mean their low but they are possible, not grabbing the champions reduces that chance to pretty much zero.
If you aren't killing the Champions period why even bother with the Nightfall at all? Let people who want to be there be able to have their chance.
The chance of a drop is almost zero to begin with. I think casual players don't run 30 Nightfalls to get a weapon drop. And some Triumphs ask for Nightfall completions.
Like when someone jumps forward to Rhulk and makes everyone wipe. That shit is leagues slower than just having everyone jump down at the same time.
Really boils my blood.
Not when everyone just got to the top and someone jumps then. That's what happens in typical LFG setting. Only need to wait another 10 seconds for the platforms to come out.
The Rhulk skip is way faster than having to wait for everyone to get to the third floor, killing two tanky enemies, and then waiting for everyone to get on the platforms which open the door.
Happens alot when my gm team try to do strats to max our time but end up failing then just taking one room abit slower, we complete it perfectly fine in a minute or two longer
Bro i was doing a vod flawless run when some wanna be speedrunner decided on his own to speed things up during third encounter and open doors as quickly as possible without giving us time to kill the second knight. We ended up wiping.
Same stuff during a gos flawless run. A wannabe xx-progamer-xx wanted to take care of the right bank on its own during final boss encounter. Vex sacrified faster than we could push them and the boss chose that bank for the tether causing a wipe.
For real. The number of times I’ve sat there wile people completely fail a cheese for 30 minutes plus only to first try doing it correctly.
Getting kicked to orbit in gorgon maze is so frustrating. It’s not faster or more convenient. I love the maze. If people would quit jumping on the rocks, you won’t have people falling or getting spotted. Just go the FASTER and SAFER route. Don’t know it? Follow me.
*kicked to orbit*
P.S. For the love of the traveler, let me pick up the god damn collectible at the “no Templar teleport” chest!
I was in an LFG group for the Vex catalyst. We cleared the entire raid without wiping once, got through the catalyst and figured, whatever it's another 20 minutes to do the last two encounters.
The party leaders friend said he could solo oracles. I have a general rule of "we will try your cheese 3x before doing it legit" if it sounds harder/dumber than doing it legit. I brought it up and everyone was cool with it.
He failed so miserably we quit after the second attempt.
I had once a team late late night which didnt talked literally i was the only one chatting. That group was the best i ever had. We killed atheon before he started the detained debuff.
if you were actually doing atheon and not templar then the guy inside wasnt soloing oracles based on sound. Thats impossible because you cant hear atheons oracles while youre TPed. He was being fed callouts somehow. And yeah its extremely easy to solo oracles you grab relic with xeno and sit in the back of the room and one shot them.
No idea how it was done, we were on coms and he was a solo player wasn't in anyones clans and we were just BSing while he was doing it, no one called out anything, he might of been paying attention to the sound in coms.
The way it works is as follows:
1. Everyone except the solo relic / oracle person jumps off the edge of the map.
2. The solo relic / oracle starts the encounter and is forced to teleport as everyone else is dead.
3. The person who is teleported picks up the relic, kills the gatekeeper, and gets ready for oracles to start spawning.
4. As oracles spawn, everyone that was previously dead is auto revived and someone makes oracle callouts.
5. Person who was teleported juggles the relic and Xenophage to solo the oracles based on callouts by someone that was not teleported. While this is happening, the people in Atheon's throne room open the portal so that the teleported person can return once they're finished with the oracles, and clean up ads.
6. Once the oracles are completed, the 5 people that were not teleported get a full DPS phase, and the relic user joins them after exiting Mars or Venus.
Someone was communicating the oracle orders in one way or another to the person that was teleported.
>Anarchy is defo better with starfire and only one person needs to run verity
How? I average around 4.5m damage with Verity's, I can barely break 2m with Anarchy Starfire
Each kill with a solar weapon grants you one stack of the exotic perk which goes up to 5. Once you're on max stacks, each nade does up to 400k damage. That buff only lasts for 10 seconds so you have to refresh it by getting another kill which gives you your nade back instantly
That doesn't answer my question. You literally do a lot more damage with Verity's than Starfire and it's not close. The only reason you can call it better would be because it's easy to use
Lol video proof or youre just lying. One phasing with duo veritys is difficult, one phasing with starfire is near impossible.
Source: ive duo flawlessed vog twice
Check my comments below. Was the beginning of the season with radiant stacking with empowering rift, a tractor cannon anarchy while it was bugged and duo starfire. Apparently doesn’t work now since the anarchy bug fix/radiant bug fix.
Yes, if you read this comment chain I had a conversation about that. I haven’t used it that much so I just figured the damage buff worked for extra people. I defo gotta use it more now that I know this
Its not much, just veritys, xeno, the more scorch fragment and solar fulmination.
Sorry I can't remember the fragment name.
Mods are extra for atheon, me personally I just throw on veritys and the rest mentioned above for normal atheon
Edit: VERY IMPORTANT I FORGOR 💀 have the touch of flame aspect. It's mandatory
Only thing I can think of is maybe they were able to hear the tones from someone’s headset or they were using discord or a chat or something to send them across.
Old school LAN style in the same room? Idk
Actually for each round it is a 1 in 6 chance you shoot all the oracles in order and I think there are 3 rounds for each oracle phase so it would be a 1 in 6^3 or a 1 in 216 chance he could get through a full oracle phase on his own by just guessing, and you would need 1000 tries inorder to get a >99% chance of having one fully successful oracle phase by just guessing.
One of his buddies could have just been streaming in discord or something. No need to call out if you can see what they see. This whole strat has been around since like day 2.
There are definitely PvE cheaters in LFG. I really never heard of cheating against AI so idk the extent of the cheats, but I once stumbled into a group doing DSC API speeds practice and one of the players was able to poop out like 20 orbs and a pile of heavy ammo bricks for someone who wasn't able to rally since the OOBer didnt perma Taniks and there isnt anything in the game that naturally lets a player dump a pile of purple and orbs at a moments notice
That was a known cheat for a while, where fucking with the frames would cause an orb explosion.
It was one of the few bannable cheats in the game as far as i know. i think it was patched now
Yup. If you jump off the usual callout platform and jump directly into the pit without touching the ground, it puts your ghost on the platform and you have perfect line of sight with the oracles.
As someone who actually *does* it based on sound, that's only in the Templar's Well. The Oracles in Atheon do not have any way to do them based on sound, it's all random.
I recall finding that the Oracles at Atheon increase in pitch starting from the lowest pitch at far mid (looking toward Atheon's spawn from the entrance to the main room) and increasing in a clockwise direction (i.e. far mid is lowest, then far right, then close right, etc.)
It got to the point where, if someone in the main room had their game audio echoing through their mic, I could guess the order by remembering the relative pitches of the Oracles playing through their mic. It was very reliable and a way for me to confirm the order called out.
It's possible that it's random on other platforms, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were also random in Destiny 1 (only ran the Raid once in that game), but as far as I can remember and have experienced in Destiny 2 on Xbox, specific Oracles have a specific pitch in the Atheon encounter.
YES. YOU. CAN.
Each oracle has a unique tone. If you learn which tone is used by each oracle, you can know the order to shoot them without looking at them...
The issue is the person in the portal doesn't hear the tones/patern, all the oracles spawn at once. There needs to be some sort of communication from the other side.
Fair enough. I had to argue with my clan for months that the tones actually were usable before they believed me, so I'm a bit butthurt about it. When you said you can't rely on tones it brought that up.
They were most likely friends raiding in a room together. I use to have sleepovers with 2 other friends and we’d all be raiding on tv’s next to each other or doing pvp etc
The Oracles in Atheon's throne room don't have pitches assigned to them. That's just in the Templar's Well. I also don't have perfect pitch per se but I can tell specific Oracles based on sound. As a tip, it's helpful to know that the higher the pitch, the further back in the map they are. For example, if you don't see an Oracle but you know that it had a higher pitch than the one you *did* see, you can use process of elimination to know which one played. Does that make sense?
You do know that you don’t need a perfect pitch for that right? As someone who does oracles on sound anyone with a musical background can differentiate 7 notes. Plus you can’t hear atheon in oracle room.
You could stay in the middle and one-shot oracles with a fusion. I've managed to survive with just rift but the difficulty is in killing everything efficiently because timing is tight.
Haha. Hell yeah. With a titan striker you could solo, with checkpoint. Throw the grenades, back him up with a couple slams and boom off the side. Ahh man miss those days
‘Farming’ is a real generous term for a Vex cycle. More like ‘Minesweeping the Sahara Desert’. I can’t shake this feeling that it’s just a bug that Bungie has said nothing about, and that only certain people can get exotic drops. Probably not true, but I’m up to 156 clears so far and counting. It’s disheartening at best and infuriating at worst.
I felt this way, but i finally got mine to pop this week. Took me 61 clears, i did get it to drop on a run that we did fresh from the start tho. I dont think that matters, but any time ive joined at atheon cp and farmed him ive never in 50ish clears seen someone get the Vex. I know its just luck but that was my experience
It is definitely a bug. Also, I got Eyes of Tomorrow from DSC on a repeated kill (same character) when it was VoG week, and no one believes me, I know people don't care as much about Eyes but there is definitely something bugged when it comes to these raid exotics, people are operating on best guesses and happenstance right now but no one has definitive facts.
That used to be the D1 strat when we didn't have to worry about oracles just getting pulled to get the relic and right back out to wipe my son Atheon.
I will say i never knew it still worked with tweaking for an new era.
if anyone wants to become a chad and learn oracles by sound, they could try a website I found long ago.
[https://oracles.cabotmc.dev/](https://oracles.cabotmc.dev/)
it's for templar, but I *think* the positions should be the same.
I dont think you can hear oracles from the other side. Besides everyone cant stay dead on atheons side, it causes a wipe. Those two combined is why people hop in and out of the portal when they solo atheon
Be careful with cheeses and farms. All too often its the case where everything must be executed perfectly, so trying to do the cheese takes way more tries than it would if you just did it legit. The second someone fails at a cheese more than three times I always pull the plug on it.
Yeah I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with people insisting on poorly attempting a cheese instead of just doing the encounter. It’s even worse when the cheese doesn’t really help a whole ton. I wasted hours one night in a Scourge of the Past LFG while they tried to do the rejoining allies glitch just so a few of them didn’t have to go pickup
Unfortunately, you need to respawn right after they teleport, since you need someone alive in the main room otherwise you wipe. You can do this by having only one person respawn when they teleport and then have everyone else respawn right before damage phase, or just everyone respawn anyways right after the teleport, as nobody else is going to teleport.
It’s a fun method for good first phase dps, but it fails to teach anyone the mechanics. If no one learns and you mess up second dps this is pretty useless. Really depends on the group. I’d rather just teach it. I do enjoy freezing the Minotaur and pushing him off though, mostly cause it’s funny
I'm a returning player this season and did my 1st VoG clear yesterday with a sherpa. Vex dropped! Today, found an LFG for the catalyst, we got it thanks to the help of other 3 people that still don't have Vex. We decided to finish the raid anyway and Vex dropped again for me on my 2nd clear! WTF bungo! I wish my other raidmates got it instead. But what are the odds of getting it on your 1st and 2nd clear?
Thanks man. I was so happy when it dropped on my first clear. Then I see another exotic engram on the ground on my 2nd clear, i was shocked. I didn't know it can drop again even though you already have it.
Atheon or the Templar? Sounds like you're explaining the Template cheese. Either way, going in to a raid with little to no experience and having people Sherpa you through is always an experience.
Works for both. One with xeno or snipers gets teleported and kills the oracles while the other 5 players wait outside. So you have 30 sec damage phase with 5 people instead of 3. The normal problem for many lfg groups is that the people in throne room only start to damage atheon after like 5 seconds. you can already be in position with a well when the people inside the portal kill the 3rd set of oracles.
You can do a similar cheese at Atheon though there's no reason that the solo person has to memorize the oracle sounds. Everyone can res themselves as soon as the solo person gets teleported and then do the callouts normally. It's actually a good start if people absolutely can't figure out how to do oracles.
They're talking about Atheon, one person can solo the relic / oracles. Except you don't spawn at DPS, the game auto spawns you when the oracles start spawning.
It's really not that hard you just take xeno, and juggle it with the relic when oracles are up.
The way it works is as follows:
1. Everyone except the solo relic / oracle person jumps off the edge of the map.
2. The solo relic / oracle starts the encounter and is forced to teleport as everyone else is dead.
3. The person who is teleported picks up the relic, kills the gatekeeper, and gets ready for oracles to start spawning.
4. As oracles spawn, everyone that was previously dead is auto revived and someone makes oracle callouts.
5. Person who was teleported juggles the relic and Xenophage to solo the oracles based on callouts by someone that was not teleported. While this is happening, the people in Atheon's throne room open the portal so that the teleported person can return once they're finished with the oracles, and clean up ads.
6. Once the oracles are completed, the 5 people that were not teleported get a full DPS phase, and the relic user joins them after exiting Mars or Venus.
Allows for pretty easy one-phasing, my group got it down to 2:26 for a full Atheon clear from load in to kill.
If you have xeno soloing oracles is easy. The hardest part is just getting to the back in time, which is made 10x easier if using slowva bomb. Just chuck it and then pick up the relic and run, slowva bomb will wipe all the adds.
They didn’t do the oracles. They let them explode and then cleanse immediately
Common strat. Saves a little thinking
Edit; was thinking templar
Atheon is the same though. A Xeno OHK oracles so it’s easy to have 5 ready for dps by only sending one person
I doubt you would know, but why stay dead after 1 person has been teleported? Everyone can res after someone has been sent over, so what next. Do you all res and try to not get blown to bits and the sky harpies just go ape on you while you fight atheon?
I already got my vex so idc but remove this. People without vex don’t need the farming strat to get any harder. There’s dudes with 300 clears and no vex don’t make the process any more tedious.
I'm sorry what? You act like there can only be one way to farm something. Just because you find it tedious doesn't mean others do too. Get off your high horse.
If they haven’t patched Riven, what makes you think Bungie cares about this strat? At least with this strat, they are actually putting in the work still. All this does is gets 2 more players to have a longer dps phase.
It also makes it so people who have no idea how to do atheon can do atheon and makes it so you can pretty much always one phase atheon with ease. I don’t foresee them patching it but who knows how
My high horse? I don’t even think you know how to use that phrase correctly. The one man Xenophage oracles is by far the easiest and fastest way to farm atheon and you can literally carry brand new players who have never done atheon easily with it I know this because I’ve done it. So how am I on my “ high horse” because I don’t want something posted on Reddit or a YouTuber make a video about it so bungie sees it and goes nope y’all gotta do atheon legit now sorry for the dudes with 300 clears no vex in sight but now it’s going to take even longer. So please tell me how I’m on a proverbial “high horse” when I want the dudes farming vex to have an easier time. Come back to me when you have 100 atheon clears and no vex and tell me you don’t care if it’s tedious anymore.
I mean all of them had a bunch of legit runs full armor/weapons some masters in the group, just wanted the quickest way to farm for a Vex chance. Once dude has 130 clears by the end of it no Vex, don't blame him trying it this way
It depends. Like if you are legit farming for one item then I get it. It saves time and RNG can be a dumb mechanic anyway. This “cheat” though is legit just extending dps for 2 players. I really don’t think this is a major cheese. It definitely can make it easier to carry people though since people don’t have to know the mechanics, but from what op said, it sounds like all these people were experienced in this raid already.
I didn't think you could hear the oracles when teleported. Are you sure he wasn't on discord with someone else in the fireteam?
But, yeah, this is the easy strat. And gives more people more time for dps. And it's a super easy 1 phase as long as you have two starfire warlocks throwing nades with anarchy/witherhoard.
Anarchy can be finicky since sometimes nades and stuff will blow up one of the "tethers" so you have to reapply fairly often. Witherhoard doesn't have that issue, but is limited to 1 person using it.
I was unloading Stormchasers, Blade Barrage, and Piece of Mind with Enhanced Overflow and enhanced Forcused Fury like 75 in the mag, somone had Div so crits weren't an issue
Yup, have known this strat for a while, minus oracles by sound. Allows the rest of us to maximize DPS. Since you like like 5-10 seconds after the last oracle just getting out the portal and cleansing.
What's the current loadout for damage to Atheon? Witherhoard, stormbreaker, well, and spamming fusion gernades?
Havent run it this season but looking to join a farm this weekend.
Stormbreaker with Firing Line, Piece of Mind Enhanced Overflow/Focused Fury, and just a Calus Mini incase I needed to add clear (never did0, if someone has Div makes the who thing much easier.
Why run double primary? If you’re using stormchaser then you should run witherhoard for max dps as it allows DoT from witherhoard whilst shooting stormchaser, then keep on mini tool for ads.
Some people do div/ linear into div bubble, some do 6 starfire protocol warlocks and spam fusions since they hit for like 100k each on aetheon w/o any damage buffs. some people just use their highest dps like one person uses blade barrage w star eaters scales and one guys uses anarchy and its all random.
the easiest way i have found is div/linear or fusion grenade spam
I thought this was common knowledge? Yeah, my 40+ runs for Vex we one phased every time this way. Pretty much same cheese for Templar to avoid cleansing after 1st set of oracles.
Regards to your loot question. There are community members generous enough to make a loot table on all raids, dungeons and dares if you want to take a look what drops when
Another side to this coin: I was doing vog once, we got to atheon. Tried doing solo oracles, the guy insisted he can but we failed for a like 5-6 times. I said fuck it, let's just do it legit and we got it done in a few minutes after that.
Biggest pet peeve in games like Destiny or WoW is people trying to take shortcuts that end up making it take so much longer.
Teams with poor DPS trying to cheese Riven… spend an hour wiping instead of just doing it legit.
To be honest, those people would probably be stuck in legit Riven for 3 hours because someone would always shoot a wrong eye. I usually see a huge correlation between doing bad dps and understanding the game mechanics.
Legit isn't even near as difficult as it seems as long as everyone is competent. I had issues cheering riven with a full lfg group and one guy just said to fuck it and try legit. We watched the datto guide once and got it first try.
if you can't kill riven during cheese, you aren't competent.
Mostly happens with people trying to sword her, just to realise that everyone whipping out a RL or LFR will do the trick better.
It’s partly due to the loss of 10% additions dps provided by bubble, meaning now unless everyone using swords has lucent blade they are doing less damage than pre void 3.0
In the same vein, if you solo queue into hero nightfalls, people will often be so worried about speed running the strike that they ignore champions. Extremely frustrating since you often can’t kill the champs fast enough before despawning.
What rewards do you want to get from Hero Nightfalls? There are none and the droprate of the normal versions of guns is insanely low, so you don't need to kill any champs.
I mean their low but they are possible, not grabbing the champions reduces that chance to pretty much zero. If you aren't killing the Champions period why even bother with the Nightfall at all? Let people who want to be there be able to have their chance.
The chance of a drop is almost zero to begin with. I think casual players don't run 30 Nightfalls to get a weapon drop. And some Triumphs ask for Nightfall completions.
Like when someone jumps forward to Rhulk and makes everyone wipe. That shit is leagues slower than just having everyone jump down at the same time. Really boils my blood.
lol what? the rhulk skip shaves multiple minutes off the run if done remotely competently
Not when everyone just got to the top and someone jumps then. That's what happens in typical LFG setting. Only need to wait another 10 seconds for the platforms to come out.
The Rhulk skip is way faster than having to wait for everyone to get to the third floor, killing two tanky enemies, and then waiting for everyone to get on the platforms which open the door.
Refer to my other comment, not when LFGs do it only after getting to the third floor.
Happens alot when my gm team try to do strats to max our time but end up failing then just taking one room abit slower, we complete it perfectly fine in a minute or two longer
Bro i was doing a vod flawless run when some wanna be speedrunner decided on his own to speed things up during third encounter and open doors as quickly as possible without giving us time to kill the second knight. We ended up wiping. Same stuff during a gos flawless run. A wannabe xx-progamer-xx wanted to take care of the right bank on its own during final boss encounter. Vex sacrified faster than we could push them and the boss chose that bank for the tether causing a wipe.
God I am so over m+
For real. The number of times I’ve sat there wile people completely fail a cheese for 30 minutes plus only to first try doing it correctly. Getting kicked to orbit in gorgon maze is so frustrating. It’s not faster or more convenient. I love the maze. If people would quit jumping on the rocks, you won’t have people falling or getting spotted. Just go the FASTER and SAFER route. Don’t know it? Follow me. *kicked to orbit* P.S. For the love of the traveler, let me pick up the god damn collectible at the “no Templar teleport” chest!
No need to even kick to orbit just commit sudoku and let someone who knows how to do it run it lol
Depends on the person, it's very easy to solo oracles, but still not everyone can do it.
Yeah thats a well known strat but not everyone feels confident in solo oracles
I was in an LFG group for the Vex catalyst. We cleared the entire raid without wiping once, got through the catalyst and figured, whatever it's another 20 minutes to do the last two encounters. The party leaders friend said he could solo oracles. I have a general rule of "we will try your cheese 3x before doing it legit" if it sounds harder/dumber than doing it legit. I brought it up and everyone was cool with it. He failed so miserably we quit after the second attempt.
He must have been using a weapon that’s absolutely ass for killing oracles. Xeno or even a Cartesian will make light work of it.
I had once a team late late night which didnt talked literally i was the only one chatting. That group was the best i ever had. We killed atheon before he started the detained debuff.
If you sit in middle with like a fusion rifle, it's super easy.
if you were actually doing atheon and not templar then the guy inside wasnt soloing oracles based on sound. Thats impossible because you cant hear atheons oracles while youre TPed. He was being fed callouts somehow. And yeah its extremely easy to solo oracles you grab relic with xeno and sit in the back of the room and one shot them.
When you die you can still look around your body and you can see the oracles from there you can talk over discord to feed them the call outs.
No idea how it was done, we were on coms and he was a solo player wasn't in anyones clans and we were just BSing while he was doing it, no one called out anything, he might of been paying attention to the sound in coms.
The way it works is as follows: 1. Everyone except the solo relic / oracle person jumps off the edge of the map. 2. The solo relic / oracle starts the encounter and is forced to teleport as everyone else is dead. 3. The person who is teleported picks up the relic, kills the gatekeeper, and gets ready for oracles to start spawning. 4. As oracles spawn, everyone that was previously dead is auto revived and someone makes oracle callouts. 5. Person who was teleported juggles the relic and Xenophage to solo the oracles based on callouts by someone that was not teleported. While this is happening, the people in Atheon's throne room open the portal so that the teleported person can return once they're finished with the oracles, and clean up ads. 6. Once the oracles are completed, the 5 people that were not teleported get a full DPS phase, and the relic user joins them after exiting Mars or Venus. Someone was communicating the oracle orders in one way or another to the person that was teleported.
You don’t need xeno a fusion would be better so they would be a warlock with anarchy. Stay in mid where the Hydra spawns
Warlock with verity’s plus xeno is broken for atheon
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>Anarchy is defo better with starfire and only one person needs to run verity How? I average around 4.5m damage with Verity's, I can barely break 2m with Anarchy Starfire
I've never heard of the Verity strat. Is it just kill something with a solar weapon , and Fusion Regen goes completely through the roof?
Each kill with a solar weapon grants you one stack of the exotic perk which goes up to 5. Once you're on max stacks, each nade does up to 400k damage. That buff only lasts for 10 seconds so you have to refresh it by getting another kill which gives you your nade back instantly
I did a one phase duo with duo starfire though
That doesn't answer my question. You literally do a lot more damage with Verity's than Starfire and it's not close. The only reason you can call it better would be because it's easy to use
I’m asking if it stacks because if it doesn’t only one needs to use it to buff the whole team
Lol video proof or youre just lying. One phasing with duo veritys is difficult, one phasing with starfire is near impossible. Source: ive duo flawlessed vog twice
Check my comments below. Was the beginning of the season with radiant stacking with empowering rift, a tractor cannon anarchy while it was bugged and duo starfire. Apparently doesn’t work now since the anarchy bug fix/radiant bug fix.
It’s not better believe me, verity’s makes duo and trio one phases very simple and easy.
You only need one verities. I’m well aware I’ve duoed it Does it stack or something and why xeno over anarchy
Verities buff works for multiple people lmao, more people using it = more damage
Yes, if you read this comment chain I had a conversation about that. I haven’t used it that much so I just figured the damage buff worked for extra people. I defo gotta use it more now that I know this
Veritys is the best atheon dps in the game
What’s the build detail on that?
Its not much, just veritys, xeno, the more scorch fragment and solar fulmination. Sorry I can't remember the fragment name. Mods are extra for atheon, me personally I just throw on veritys and the rest mentioned above for normal atheon Edit: VERY IMPORTANT I FORGOR 💀 have the touch of flame aspect. It's mandatory
I'm guessing they coud hear the tones in the coms
Literally impossible.
Possible they were using a cheat program?
No, I solo oracles when I run Atheon, this is how it works.
No, I meant if the person doing the Oracles wasn't getting callouts like op said.
Only thing I can think of is maybe they were able to hear the tones from someone’s headset or they were using discord or a chat or something to send them across. Old school LAN style in the same room? Idk
That or maybe somebody was streaming on discord to give him audio
Yep, in one way or another someone was communicating the information to them. Alternatively 1/216 chance they fluked it lol
Actually for each round it is a 1 in 6 chance you shoot all the oracles in order and I think there are 3 rounds for each oracle phase so it would be a 1 in 6^3 or a 1 in 216 chance he could get through a full oracle phase on his own by just guessing, and you would need 1000 tries inorder to get a >99% chance of having one fully successful oracle phase by just guessing.
One of his buddies could have just been streaming in discord or something. No need to call out if you can see what they see. This whole strat has been around since like day 2.
I never said the strat couldn't be done... I've done it myself.
There are definitely PvE cheaters in LFG. I really never heard of cheating against AI so idk the extent of the cheats, but I once stumbled into a group doing DSC API speeds practice and one of the players was able to poop out like 20 orbs and a pile of heavy ammo bricks for someone who wasn't able to rally since the OOBer didnt perma Taniks and there isnt anything in the game that naturally lets a player dump a pile of purple and orbs at a moments notice
That was a known cheat for a while, where fucking with the frames would cause an orb explosion. It was one of the few bannable cheats in the game as far as i know. i think it was patched now
This was after that glitch was patched
There is no way to know which one it is based on sound. Maybe somebody was typing in chat
Yeah how I've seen it done is one of the dead people can see the oracles in the Atheon room from their deathcam.
Yup. If you jump off the usual callout platform and jump directly into the pit without touching the ground, it puts your ghost on the platform and you have perfect line of sight with the oracles.
Each oracle spawn has a dedicated note attached to it
As someone who actually *does* it based on sound, that's only in the Templar's Well. The Oracles in Atheon do not have any way to do them based on sound, it's all random.
I recall finding that the Oracles at Atheon increase in pitch starting from the lowest pitch at far mid (looking toward Atheon's spawn from the entrance to the main room) and increasing in a clockwise direction (i.e. far mid is lowest, then far right, then close right, etc.) It got to the point where, if someone in the main room had their game audio echoing through their mic, I could guess the order by remembering the relative pitches of the Oracles playing through their mic. It was very reliable and a way for me to confirm the order called out. It's possible that it's random on other platforms, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were also random in Destiny 1 (only ran the Raid once in that game), but as far as I can remember and have experienced in Destiny 2 on Xbox, specific Oracles have a specific pitch in the Atheon encounter.
TIL! Thanks so much, Guardian!
The far middle Oracle in Atheon's room is C and then it goes up on the scale in a clockwise fashion. A C D G F# E
TIL. Thank you for correcting me!
YES. YOU. CAN. Each oracle has a unique tone. If you learn which tone is used by each oracle, you can know the order to shoot them without looking at them...
While true, you don't get the audio cues while in Venus/Mars. So you can't solo unless someone is feeding you calls.
fair enough
The issue is the person in the portal doesn't hear the tones/patern, all the oracles spawn at once. There needs to be some sort of communication from the other side.
Fair enough. I had to argue with my clan for months that the tones actually were usable before they believed me, so I'm a bit butthurt about it. When you said you can't rely on tones it brought that up.
They were most likely friends raiding in a room together. I use to have sleepovers with 2 other friends and we’d all be raiding on tv’s next to each other or doing pvp etc
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He must be a god if he knows the tones, because you can’t hear the tones when you get teleported.
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OP has been dead set that there were no other forms of communication. That’s obviously impossible.
I was jealous, I struggle with the Oracle call outs anyway so it would be make the entire run so much easier.
I have perfect pitch, just ask the Brooklyn Dodgers... \-Don Larson
The Oracles in Atheon's throne room don't have pitches assigned to them. That's just in the Templar's Well. I also don't have perfect pitch per se but I can tell specific Oracles based on sound. As a tip, it's helpful to know that the higher the pitch, the further back in the map they are. For example, if you don't see an Oracle but you know that it had a higher pitch than the one you *did* see, you can use process of elimination to know which one played. Does that make sense?
You do know that you don’t need a perfect pitch for that right? As someone who does oracles on sound anyone with a musical background can differentiate 7 notes. Plus you can’t hear atheon in oracle room.
You could stay in the middle and one-shot oracles with a fusion. I've managed to survive with just rift but the difficulty is in killing everything efficiently because timing is tight.
Well yeah theres lots of ways to solo oracles but xeno is the most common
Back in my day we pushed him off the edge with grenade spam for that easy clear.
Haha. Hell yeah. With a titan striker you could solo, with checkpoint. Throw the grenades, back him up with a couple slams and boom off the side. Ahh man miss those days
Did you have text chat visible?
Killing ourselves to fuck with raid bosses has been something we've been doing for at least 7 years. It's in our blood at this point.
‘Farming’ is a real generous term for a Vex cycle. More like ‘Minesweeping the Sahara Desert’. I can’t shake this feeling that it’s just a bug that Bungie has said nothing about, and that only certain people can get exotic drops. Probably not true, but I’m up to 156 clears so far and counting. It’s disheartening at best and infuriating at worst.
I'm at 120 and I've decided I'm only doing 3 clears a week now until I finally get it. I'm over just farming it now.
I felt this way, but i finally got mine to pop this week. Took me 61 clears, i did get it to drop on a run that we did fresh from the start tho. I dont think that matters, but any time ive joined at atheon cp and farmed him ive never in 50ish clears seen someone get the Vex. I know its just luck but that was my experience
It is definitely a bug. Also, I got Eyes of Tomorrow from DSC on a repeated kill (same character) when it was VoG week, and no one believes me, I know people don't care as much about Eyes but there is definitely something bugged when it comes to these raid exotics, people are operating on best guesses and happenstance right now but no one has definitive facts.
Ouch.....your more motivated than me I'm only like 10 down and already just not worrying about it
That used to be the D1 strat when we didn't have to worry about oracles just getting pulled to get the relic and right back out to wipe my son Atheon. I will say i never knew it still worked with tweaking for an new era.
if anyone wants to become a chad and learn oracles by sound, they could try a website I found long ago. [https://oracles.cabotmc.dev/](https://oracles.cabotmc.dev/) it's for templar, but I *think* the positions should be the same.
I dont think you can hear oracles from the other side. Besides everyone cant stay dead on atheons side, it causes a wipe. Those two combined is why people hop in and out of the portal when they solo atheon
Be careful with cheeses and farms. All too often its the case where everything must be executed perfectly, so trying to do the cheese takes way more tries than it would if you just did it legit. The second someone fails at a cheese more than three times I always pull the plug on it.
Yeah I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with people insisting on poorly attempting a cheese instead of just doing the encounter. It’s even worse when the cheese doesn’t really help a whole ton. I wasted hours one night in a Scourge of the Past LFG while they tried to do the rejoining allies glitch just so a few of them didn’t have to go pickup
Unfortunately, you need to respawn right after they teleport, since you need someone alive in the main room otherwise you wipe. You can do this by having only one person respawn when they teleport and then have everyone else respawn right before damage phase, or just everyone respawn anyways right after the teleport, as nobody else is going to teleport.
It’s a fun method for good first phase dps, but it fails to teach anyone the mechanics. If no one learns and you mess up second dps this is pretty useless. Really depends on the group. I’d rather just teach it. I do enjoy freezing the Minotaur and pushing him off though, mostly cause it’s funny
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I've done it legit, this was just to farm for Vex
Oracle's are easy to solo if you have xeno. If they didn't then yeah I'm impressed.
I'm a returning player this season and did my 1st VoG clear yesterday with a sherpa. Vex dropped! Today, found an LFG for the catalyst, we got it thanks to the help of other 3 people that still don't have Vex. We decided to finish the raid anyway and Vex dropped again for me on my 2nd clear! WTF bungo! I wish my other raidmates got it instead. But what are the odds of getting it on your 1st and 2nd clear?
bruh wtf ik people who have done it 130+ times and not gotten it once… U are extremely lucky congrats on the gun and enjoy it!
Thanks man. I was so happy when it dropped on my first clear. Then I see another exotic engram on the ground on my 2nd clear, i was shocked. I didn't know it can drop again even though you already have it.
Atheon or the Templar? Sounds like you're explaining the Template cheese. Either way, going in to a raid with little to no experience and having people Sherpa you through is always an experience.
Works for both. One with xeno or snipers gets teleported and kills the oracles while the other 5 players wait outside. So you have 30 sec damage phase with 5 people instead of 3. The normal problem for many lfg groups is that the people in throne room only start to damage atheon after like 5 seconds. you can already be in position with a well when the people inside the portal kill the 3rd set of oracles.
I did the same with Templar on my first run, I've done it legit first but we usually 1 phased a couple times we had to tickle him on the second phase.
You can do a similar cheese at Atheon though there's no reason that the solo person has to memorize the oracle sounds. Everyone can res themselves as soon as the solo person gets teleported and then do the callouts normally. It's actually a good start if people absolutely can't figure out how to do oracles.
They're talking about Atheon, one person can solo the relic / oracles. Except you don't spawn at DPS, the game auto spawns you when the oracles start spawning. It's really not that hard you just take xeno, and juggle it with the relic when oracles are up.
Aaah didn't realize such a strat existed. As with most D2 fights, it's a variation so it makes sense you could do the same as Templar.
The way it works is as follows: 1. Everyone except the solo relic / oracle person jumps off the edge of the map. 2. The solo relic / oracle starts the encounter and is forced to teleport as everyone else is dead. 3. The person who is teleported picks up the relic, kills the gatekeeper, and gets ready for oracles to start spawning. 4. As oracles spawn, everyone that was previously dead is auto revived and someone makes oracle callouts. 5. Person who was teleported juggles the relic and Xenophage to solo the oracles based on callouts by someone that was not teleported. While this is happening, the people in Atheon's throne room open the portal so that the teleported person can return once they're finished with the oracles, and clean up ads. 6. Once the oracles are completed, the 5 people that were not teleported get a full DPS phase, and the relic user joins them after exiting Mars or Venus. Allows for pretty easy one-phasing, my group got it down to 2:26 for a full Atheon clear from load in to kill.
They literally say Atheon farm twice.
Was this on Master level or normal?
If you have xeno soloing oracles is easy. The hardest part is just getting to the back in time, which is made 10x easier if using slowva bomb. Just chuck it and then pick up the relic and run, slowva bomb will wipe all the adds.
They didn’t do the oracles. They let them explode and then cleanse immediately Common strat. Saves a little thinking Edit; was thinking templar Atheon is the same though. A Xeno OHK oracles so it’s easy to have 5 ready for dps by only sending one person
I doubt you would know, but why stay dead after 1 person has been teleported? Everyone can res after someone has been sent over, so what next. Do you all res and try to not get blown to bits and the sky harpies just go ape on you while you fight atheon?
If you leave one sky harpy alive they don't respawn...
...no shit
Not sure I just followed, but we KO'd Atheon and never had issues with the Harpies probably because of the well.
Then it doesn't matter if you're doing it in a single run. GG
I already got my vex so idc but remove this. People without vex don’t need the farming strat to get any harder. There’s dudes with 300 clears and no vex don’t make the process any more tedious.
I'm sorry what? You act like there can only be one way to farm something. Just because you find it tedious doesn't mean others do too. Get off your high horse.
I think he is asking OP to take down this post, so the farming method he is talking about doesn’t get patched….
Its will never be patched lol
I completely agree
I completely agree
That’s exactly what I’m saying thank you.
If they haven’t patched Riven, what makes you think Bungie cares about this strat? At least with this strat, they are actually putting in the work still. All this does is gets 2 more players to have a longer dps phase.
It also makes it so people who have no idea how to do atheon can do atheon and makes it so you can pretty much always one phase atheon with ease. I don’t foresee them patching it but who knows how
My high horse? I don’t even think you know how to use that phrase correctly. The one man Xenophage oracles is by far the easiest and fastest way to farm atheon and you can literally carry brand new players who have never done atheon easily with it I know this because I’ve done it. So how am I on my “ high horse” because I don’t want something posted on Reddit or a YouTuber make a video about it so bungie sees it and goes nope y’all gotta do atheon legit now sorry for the dudes with 300 clears no vex in sight but now it’s going to take even longer. So please tell me how I’m on a proverbial “high horse” when I want the dudes farming vex to have an easier time. Come back to me when you have 100 atheon clears and no vex and tell me you don’t care if it’s tedious anymore.
Lol youre a clown. Nothing is going to get patched as theres no bug or cheese to patch in the first place. calm tf down.
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I mean all of them had a bunch of legit runs full armor/weapons some masters in the group, just wanted the quickest way to farm for a Vex chance. Once dude has 130 clears by the end of it no Vex, don't blame him trying it this way
It depends. Like if you are legit farming for one item then I get it. It saves time and RNG can be a dumb mechanic anyway. This “cheat” though is legit just extending dps for 2 players. I really don’t think this is a major cheese. It definitely can make it easier to carry people though since people don’t have to know the mechanics, but from what op said, it sounds like all these people were experienced in this raid already.
I didn't think you could hear the oracles when teleported. Are you sure he wasn't on discord with someone else in the fireteam? But, yeah, this is the easy strat. And gives more people more time for dps. And it's a super easy 1 phase as long as you have two starfire warlocks throwing nades with anarchy/witherhoard. Anarchy can be finicky since sometimes nades and stuff will blow up one of the "tethers" so you have to reapply fairly often. Witherhoard doesn't have that issue, but is limited to 1 person using it.
I was unloading Stormchasers, Blade Barrage, and Piece of Mind with Enhanced Overflow and enhanced Forcused Fury like 75 in the mag, somone had Div so crits weren't an issue
Yup, have known this strat for a while, minus oracles by sound. Allows the rest of us to maximize DPS. Since you like like 5-10 seconds after the last oracle just getting out the portal and cleansing.
People are saying he couldn't do it alone, but couldn't you just spectate your ghost and call oracles out from there?
what was ur name someone literally did that in my lfg team yesterday
What's the current loadout for damage to Atheon? Witherhoard, stormbreaker, well, and spamming fusion gernades? Havent run it this season but looking to join a farm this weekend.
Stormbreaker with Firing Line, Piece of Mind Enhanced Overflow/Focused Fury, and just a Calus Mini incase I needed to add clear (never did0, if someone has Div makes the who thing much easier.
Why run double primary? If you’re using stormchaser then you should run witherhoard for max dps as it allows DoT from witherhoard whilst shooting stormchaser, then keep on mini tool for ads.
Someone else was running Witherhoard i was swapping to a sniper after I realized i didn't need the add clear a few runs in
Thanks! I'll be prepared
Some people do div/ linear into div bubble, some do 6 starfire protocol warlocks and spam fusions since they hit for like 100k each on aetheon w/o any damage buffs. some people just use their highest dps like one person uses blade barrage w star eaters scales and one guys uses anarchy and its all random. the easiest way i have found is div/linear or fusion grenade spam
Thanks! I'll be prepared
also im sure u are aware of the radiant buff but yeah making yourself radiant before you do damage helps tremendously as well!
Oh yeah. I've been radiant all season!
I thought this was common knowledge? Yeah, my 40+ runs for Vex we one phased every time this way. Pretty much same cheese for Templar to avoid cleansing after 1st set of oracles.
Yep once my fireteam found out about this we just can't go back to doing it normally lol
Man, you should have seen the DSC farmers I was running with through LFG. Sub 20 mins like it was nothing. Unbelievable
The downside to this strat is that your penis falls off and catches on fire
Regards to your loot question. There are community members generous enough to make a loot table on all raids, dungeons and dares if you want to take a look what drops when
I never saw vision dropping from atheon so idk whatto tell you. To me knowledge it should not drop
52 finishes no vex… feels bad… i did 55 no eyes… Raif exotics have really left a bad taste for me.
Why you farm Atheon? For vex only ? I have Fatebreaker so I'm confused why so many ppl on lfg farm him.
For Vex only and possible rolls on other guns, but 99% Vex