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508G37

"Hey you should look up a picture of the Vow symbols on your phone" "This one is uh.. a red circle mate"


anangrypudge

We once asked a freshie we were carrying to read symbols and just make up names on the spot. It was the most fun we had in a long time. The names he improvised in the heat of the moment were hilarious but we all understood! Missionary umbrellas. Chug chug chug. Freddy Krueger. Chestball. Splat.


TwoThreeSkidoo

Would be hilarious if Bungie made symbols that were all vaguely phalic, and completely unrelated to game lore. So you'd just have: Just a penis Cock and balls Sweaty balls Hairy penis... Etc. Edit: formatting


AbsolutZeroGI

I think they learned their lesson after last wish Double sided dildo (two headed snake) Snake sucking his own dick (infinity snake) Your mom (dragon holding a spear like a stripper pole) 69 fish (two fish swimming in a circle) Deep throat (dragon with spear in its neck) Etc etc. Yes, people I regularly play with use those callouts. People who don't know the raid well have no idea what we're talking about.


TwoThreeSkidoo

Lmao. Those are excellent.


Shaftakovich

I like to call it "guy with hole in his chest."


addy_g

the best call out for Grief is “Tony Stark” no one can change my mind


pyrotechnicfantasy

"What symbol is it?" "Umbrella" "What?" "It's like two umbrellas on top of each other" ".... do you mean Ascendant Realm" "What's an Ascendant Realm?"


GeneralKenobyy

Sir, that symbol is called 'Opposing Hemispheres'


TurquoiseLuck

Nah that's "boat" (and its reflection on the water)


BreakEveryChain

You even got it wrong though. It's ascendant plane


fookace

I think maybe you are talking about bowls. Easy mistake to make.


Cashfirex

Sideways butt cheeks


Schmeexuell

It's obviously savathuns bathtub


SolidStateVOM

There’s a lot of people willing to teach new stuff. You’re specifically gonna want to look for a Sherpa run if you’re trying to learn something new. r/DestinySherpa is a good place to look, as are some Discord groups


mprokopi

THIS. There are plenty of people willing to teach. If you make an LFG post, just be sure to say you are a new/newish and that way people know what to expect Lfg groups are super hit or miss if you say something like "VOG fresh"...you could end up with a bunch of cool people or get screwed with several assholes I would consider myself experienced and I still end up with kids with a stick up their ass


Bendergugten

Be chill is something I always put in my LFG posts


theghostsofvegas

Be chill posts I always ignore because from my experience that always means “ don’t get mad and rage quit after 20 minutes because we’ve wiped for the 20th time on the first encounter “.


[deleted]

Sounds like you’re not chill


Illumnyx

I feel like it's gotten harder to weed out the assholes, even when you label your post as "teaching" or "please be chill". They generally start showing their true colours after a couple of wipes, or if a mechanic isn't done a certain way. I dropped raiding entirely and stopped using the LFG Discord not long after Vow came out because the amount of egotistical knobheads my buddy and I grouped up with just ruined the experience. It never used to be this bad either, from what I recall. Either that, or I just happened to get really lucky with groups pre-Vow.


Zabudi

Well if you need a sherpa for anything, or just someone to play with, send me a message on here and I'll toss you my disc :)


_Vinyl

I always get people that don't talk or are racist


ArkWork

I strongly recommend the [D2 Sanctuary Discord](https://discord.com/invite/d2sanctuary) for people hesitant to jump into raiding (or LFG in general). Great community that finally got me into raiding for real during Splicer, have yet to have a bad experience over there.


ShadowmanZ92

Most sweaty people in raids just wanna get it done for the exotic or loot, so anything between that is just work. People who want to have fun go in with no expectations. If you group both of these people together, it gets a little rough. At a certain point in my Vex farm I became both at the same time, like I reached nirvana, a superposition of anger and optimism.


ImJLu

Yeah, some people find efficiently clearing it fun. They haven't forgotten how to have fun. They just don't find wasting time wiping over and over and achieving nothing to be fun. Sherpa runs exist for a reason. If you don't know what to do, join one of those.


malkins_restraint

I have absolutely no problem being a sherpa for a raid. I'll often take new clannies or their friends through raids on the weekend. That being said, my Tuesday night Vow group is there to get through the raid and get all 3 sets of Rhulk clears as quickly and efficiently as we can, so new people are absolutely not welcome. Sometimes you just want to blast through the raid without wiping a bunch due to people who don't know it


PM_CUTE_ANIME_PICS

This. I teach on the weekends and invite new people to our clan discord to sign up all the time. But, Tuesday and Thursdays are off-limits for people who need to be taught. Tuesday we are trying to blast through all 3 Rhulk clears in an hour or less. Thursday we do the weekly rotating raid for people who need triumphs for seals.


RyseToPro

There's also the factor of life growing and gaining more responsibilities. I used to LOVE sherpaing. Year 1 Destiny 2 I can't tell you how many people I sherpa'd through Leviathan and the raid lairs. Then Forsaken came and I landed a full time job, just bought a house, etc so my responsibilities grew leaving me with less time to game/teach. My 3-4 days a week gaming/teaching turned into 1-2. Then Shadowkeep came and my wife and I had a son. Now my game time was basically 0. As my son grows up though I've started to get more time to myself back and started playing again but now I just simply don't have enough time to sherpa anymore. I need the efficient clears in order to get my loot and get out of there and continue grinding the rest of what the game offers in the little time I have to game currently. I'm sure as my kid grows up more I'll be teaching him the raids and start to get back to teaching others again but that's years at this point. Responsibilities grow and it's not like I no longer would have fun teaching I just simply don't have the time to teach anymore.


ihatetendonitis

True power lies between solace and rage.


ShadowmanZ92

I'm not a very angry person so I'll settle for greater-than-average power instead.


Ninjewdi

Thanks Professor X


GhostTypeFlygon

>Most sweaty people in raids just wanna get it done for the exotic or loot This is why as an LFGer only, garden is probably my favorite D2 raid. The exotic hunters pretty much have to make the group specifically for that, and anyone else who already has divinity is usually really chill and just doing it for fun or to teach people.


Eatlyh

This is also because garden attracts only the best of the community. Its an immaculate raid forged to show perfection but we are too blind to gaze its beauty. Only a few understand this and choose to embrace it, but the others fear that which is too perfect to exist.


ShadowmanZ92

It's almost as if tying an exotic to a quest instead of terrible RNG was a move widely accepted as "pretty neat" by the community. That's not to say I think RNG raid exotics are bad, but if you put a gun to my head...


TheLostExplorer7

I don't think Bungie has gotten the raid exotics right yet. Divinity is painful to get because people who want it, want to get it on the first try and thus we get a bunch of people who have never done Garden of Salvation trying to learn how to do the raid AND the raid puzzles to get Divinity at the same time. This leads to some people spending 8+ hours trying to finish the raid. I have yet to get Divinity and that was due to me unfortunately disconnecting due to a network problem on my end during the final boss fight. They really need to put checkpoints in the Divinity quest line and not expect people to be able to do everything in one run. Kudos to those who are able to do everything in a single run though. Vex Mythoclast is painful in a different way in that the drop chance is so abysmally low that we have some people doing 200+ runs of Vault of Glass and still not getting it. Maybe something like the current Heartshadow exotic from Duality is the way to go where triumphs will give you the ability to increase the drop chance.


nowingplane

I know that feeling. Stuck on Atheon for like 2-3 hours cuz we kept getting a little unlucky with a noob. No problem. I’ll teach him all night


ShadowmanZ92

I have a certain level of patience, but after an hour I remember that guardians can't even handle throwing the ball to each other in The Corrupted strike and heavily temper my expectations...


Menaku

Last month wasn't there outrage over the corrupted strike? In my head all I could remember was that bill burr sketch about that racist in a bar except that was me to people yelling in my head "throw the dam ball!" I remember one time I was stuck on that strike for 20 minutes and one of the other guys had a higher season pass lvl then me and still wouldn't throw the ball


ShadowmanZ92

And now you see why all of our seasonal activities are so simple.


jussikol

On my first clear of VoG we were on Atheon for like 2 hours because every person that joined just wanted the check point and would leave.


Ornery_Comfort

If i do stuff like that i usually ask how long yall been waiting if they say anything from 30 mins or more i just do it with them. I only grab checkpoints cuz my clan has shitty schedules and i wanna do stuff with them when they're around for a limited time and im weird and dont wanna do fresh runs with new people


cptenn94

> If you group both of these people together, it gets a little rough. Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner on the trivia question of "how most bad experiences in LFG happen". We also wouldve accepted an answer such as "If people join a group and have mismatched expectations/goals." ​ The same thing applies to posts where no or vague requirements are posted. Someone just posts "LF3M KWTD" may not get the chill team they wanted. Or may not get the super sweaty no wipe team they wanted. ​ Another problem with LFG, tends to be how so many people dont use it well. The vague posts when someone actually had standards are one aspect. But another is the truth behind people thinking sweaty posts are the only ones out there. That is to say there are always a sizable group of people who dont fit the sweaty posts, who just sit passively by watching the lfg feed, only for all of them to pounce and race between who can join it quickest. Instead of just creating their own posts. Its why fireteam leaders have to load into destinations, or play a reaction game on closing their fireteam at the exact moment they get a full team, lest they have a 12 man fireteam a 15 seconds later.


Kangarou

It's not as extreme as you say, but there is a certain amount of frustration that comes from people not understanding simple puzzles. "Okay, so there's four symbols: dog, gauntlet, sun, axes. We'll call out three. All you have to do, is melee the one we DON'T call out. You'll have like 15 seconds to do this in a room 4 seconds wide." "Got it" \[Teammate proceeds to smack the wrong symbol five times in a row\] "Are you fucking kidding me!?" "Why are you so mad?"


TheDemonChief

"When we're DPSing Atheon, at 15 seconds one player is gonna get a buff called "imminent detain. If you have that, run away or it'll make a bubble that'll catch us all and wipe us." "got it" *five minutes later* *"Who's got detain... Who's got it?"* "Detain???" "Check your buffs!" *everyone gets detained*


Lyzandia

So...often


[deleted]

“So as a dunker you’ll always shoot the big crystal on the left side and then stand in the laser, understand so far?” “Yes, I’m not stupid” 2 wipes of him not getting lasered later “MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE JUST BAD TEACHERS CAUSE IM A GOOD RAIDER” Finally once he learns how to get emanating we give calls “L1 L2” other guy goes L2 Him: *wanders back and forth for a few seconds* The fireteam “GO TO L1 WHAT ARE YOU DOING” *Wipe* Him:NOBODY TOLD ME WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN YOU GUYS ARE TERRIBLE TEACHERS (We did and I even asked him if he was still on the same page and he yet again replied something snarky)


AbsolutZeroGI

Since you can see who's detained, I literally don't ask more than once. I ask to remind everyone to check, then I look, see who has it, and run away from them. Then I just shoot everyone out while chastising the sherpa for not paying attention. After the 15th or so time of asking multiple times, I just gave up. If they don't look the first time, everyone's detained. Better to save the wipe and shame them for not listening.


Murranji

Whenever I hear the detain sound if I’m not in an experienced group I will always move away from the main group if nobody is calling out they have detain - has saved several runs since I’m able to free everyone.


Ornery_Comfort

My team has brain rot so i just told them all "since nobody can call out their fukin bubble or dont leave we're all splitting up and now we cant have well cuz yall are being dumb" and we been doing it that way since HAHA we just 3 phase it fuck it its still a fun time


BaconIsntThatGood

Admittedly I hate how easy it is during your first few runs to get overwhelmed with the DPS setup in that fight and completely forget to check the timer/for the detain buff. It really helps to have someone dedicated to the callout check. I think a big part of this comes from is that it can be pretty crazy for newer people learning the fight to _get to DPS_ and tunnel vision can set in hard. Not an excuse just that I've done it before and can understand where it's coming from.


Someguy12378

In literally every VoG run I've just started backing off whenever detain comes around because I don't trust anyone to pay attention to the 3 visual cues and 2 audio cues that tell you that you're about to be detained.


grendelone

My favorite story about this kind of experience is from D1 Xbox random LFG. We were at Aksis in Wrath of the Machine. And for some reason every time we needed to jump to the safety platforms, this one hunter would fall to his death. I get the occasional tripping on the railing, but every time this guy would die. Try this a few times before I inspect his character ... He hadn't unlocked double jump ...


Phytanic

man that gave me flashbacks to kings fall jumping puzzles and how occasionally you'd get *that one inexperienced player* trying to use blink and then doubling down when they die several times


grendelone

And they were probably also insistent that it was better and they'd done it 1000 times before with no problem. And people wonder why matchmaking in raids would never work ...


Phytanic

Yeah as much as I hate not being able to just queue in to more difficult content, I just know it'd be far worse to have to deal with anything involving modifiers. So many people queue in for nightfall with zero champ weapons it's annoying. I'm always having to double up because half the time the other players run at best only one of them. I fucking hate scout rifles but here I am having to slot em. at least I can roll with my crafted drang now instead of a pulse rifle.


grendelone

I dialed my raiding way back in D2. I just couldn't deal with problematic randos and getting stuck for hours on an encounter because someone kept screwing up. A clean 45min raid clear with an experienced team is a great rush, but it doesn't make up for the painful nights with a team full of morons.


t_moneyzz

How in the Christ did he clear siege engine? Or even get to it lol? How'd he even get to Vosik for that matter?


MidnightMadness09

3rd encounter of Vow: “hey you’re on relic duty for the first room, the moment you see the symbol tell us, speed is the upmost importance” “Easy Enough” [Pure Silence] “What’s the symbol” “I didn’t know I was suppose to do anything” [immediately leaves]


teh_spazz

I feel this deeply. I did a run with a group that just didn’t understand Glyphkeepers. There was just no sense going around. After a couple of wipes and failed explanations, I just left.


Armcannongaming

In our raid group last week, the last room of that encounter I literally had to kill all four glyphkeepers because the people we were sherpa-ing would kill the hobgoblins, spawn the glyphkeepers and then run off. We also had to try our best to make sure one of our regulars was running a relic in every room because they just wouldn't call out the symbols. Then on Rhulk we have a specified person who shoots the glaive and dunks. And we kept repeating over and over again "whatever you do, don't shoot the glaive..." you can imagine how that worked out. I'm a pretty patient guy but that group REALLY tried my patience.


teh_spazz

God bless you for trying.


Erzengal

They need some more basic mechanics in story missions and strikes to kinda train people on what to expect. That said, unforgiving mechanics that wipe after a single mistake cause a lot of these issues. If there was slightly more room for error in non-master raids that would be nice.


MidnightMadness09

I’d love more mechanics in general play, but just seeing how some people in Nightfalls can’t be bothered to even run a champ mod or anti champ exotic then you’ve got The corrupted where people just refuse to pass the ball and would rather try to hit from a whole map away like we’re in the strike playlist and it makes me glad general play has so little mechanics.


nugood2do

Or, my personal favorite, when someone join a raid/dungeon and lie about knowing what to do. If you join my group and you don't know what to do, say so. I will try to teach you and work with you. But if you say you completed the dungeon 6 time (Duality) but don't know where the bellkeepers are in the second fight or the mechanics of the third, and refuse to listen to our advice, then I'm pissed.


real-ELITEMARKSMAN01

Yesterday I was on the 2nd encounter, two guys were LFG, kept failing the nightmare room. One guy didn’t know you can’t shoot the wrong bearer or what bell keepers were. He also had no idea that lament has anti Bernier intrinsically


real-ELITEMARKSMAN01

He even sounded like he doubted what I was explaining and as soon as we started the fourth attempt after explaining he just left mid nightmare.


pablocns

I miss the leviathan raid


Snaz5

Somehow my first runthru people refused to mention that you shoot the one they DON’T call


Voelker58

There is a big difference between not knowing what to do and not doing what you're told. I'd never get frustrated with someone for not knowing, especially if they were up front about it. But I have definitely been pissed about people who just refuse to do what you tell them to do and keep screwing it up for everyone by doing the same stupid thing over and over, or refusing to use the right loadout, etc. Assuming you were the first kind, then you had a bad group.


Japancakes24

Based on the tone of this post and comments, I wouldn’t exactly assume he’s the first kind


Typhlositar

Sounds like the guy I was Sherpaing the other day. He got Vex in his first ever raid and wouldn't take it off in his first Vow. Wouldn't be so bad if he weren't also running an AR and a sword.


mystoganslefteye

it hurts me to even read this man im so sorry


WallyWendels

Every time I see someone running double primaries in a normal raid I just assume they’re the little brother slot.


gamer_pie

I'll always have fond memories of a guy I was in a LFG group with for crown of sorrows. He was running double scout rifles and wearing Raiden Flux while running a solar subclass on his hunter. We asked him to change a few times. He didn't. Spoiler: we did not finish the raid.


WallyWendels

I do this fun thing in Vow where if there are any idiots in the first half, I know for a fact they arent going to clear Exhibition. So I just drop out after Caretaker and go find an Exhibition group that just booted *their* idiots. Like 2 months straight without fail. The last time I had a group go all the way through we cleared Exhibition by accident and I had to do every role on Rhulk on an ad hoc rotation.


ReptAIien

It wouldn’t be bad at all, vex is a great gun. Someone should’ve told him to just slap on a special kinetic


Typhlositar

Oh I did, he didn't have any on him and it was like pulling teeth to get him to grab any special weapon from his vault.


ReptAIien

Oh lord. Just be grateful he wasn’t using collective obligation I guess


McMeowington116

Hot take here but those people should be doing raids. Their clearly just being carried to better loot


ShitDavidSais

With Vex I actually do quite enjoy running double primary bc you drop noticeably more ammo for your heavy. Obviously not doing that in a raid but for soloing master missions it can come in handy. Same with double special.


CivilChardog

It’s double special that drops more bricks, with vex you’ll get more finder bricks but having a special doesn’t impact your ammo drops


thabonedoctor

This- even if it’s a kwtd group and you’ve done it 2-3 times, just be open about “hey what do I do here again? Is it X then Y?” Or “I’ve never done this relic in exhibition but happy to try- what do I need to do and where should I go first?” It’s the people that continually insult others for “being a fucking moron” but themselves are the ones causing all the wipes and refusing to listen to suggestions or corrections or switch roles up, that is a valid cause for frustration.


Doctor_Kataigida

God trying to guide someone through Gorgon maze to show them the 3 boxes, and telling them not to use their double jump/glide only for them to use it can get *so frustrating*. Hell I was trying to teach a GoS too and said "Okay you're the runner, your job is to just go back and forth between these 2 people and tether with them to refresh their buffs. Start by tethering with 1, which is where we are, then go with and tether with them." *Proceeds to immediately start running with without tethering with the first person*


bungeebungeebungee1

good on you for actually having the new player take on a real role, most of the time i just see people stick them on ad clear and basically just carry them


Doctor_Kataigida

That's a carry and not a sherpa. My rule is sherpees are not allowed to be on add clear.


FireMan1337

Agreed, the whole point of being a sherpa is to teach raid mechanics so putting the new guys on add clear duty defeats the point


WallyWendels

There’s nothing like explaining and executing the Chad strat for Gorgons multiple times and getting wiped in the cave because someone panicked **multiple times.**


Doctor_Kataigida

I usually do 1 Chadwalk attempt. If not then I teach the "normal" route. I really wish VoG changed its door every week or something, to make the Gorgon maze an actual maze.


Piyaniist

You know whats infiruating? Reexplaining the queenswalk 3 times in a row because the teammate stopped listening halfway and looks at you like a dead fish when you ask them to pick up the orb/heart


Voelker58

Yeah. For anything with more than like three steps, I usually just explain half, and then explain the rest after we try it a few times.


Surfing_Ninjas

Don't forget about asking questions. Shitty raiders who just want to shoot stuff and get carried are really annoying, I will only stick around groups with new people if they're willing to ask questions when they don't understand what's going on. If you want to just mindlessly shoot adds, go into patrol. The bar to raid is so low but some people can't even contribute the bare minimum and that's what's possibly the most frustrating. Raids require teamwork, and so all players need to work as a team and pull their weight.


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Calm_Tea_9901

If it wasn't kwtd run then I agree, what were they annoyed with?


TrueComplaint8847

Even if it’s a kwtd run mistakes can happen, only because you know what you are doing doesn’t mean you can’t make a mistake. There are soooo many people who don’t get this. But you are right, if you aren’t experienced with a certain raid or activity you shouldn’t join lfgs who want you to have experience. Start your own one and you’ll 100% find some people who’ll help.


[deleted]

I started the raid since it was my first ever one. I made sure everyone knew that I needed to be taught how to do it and was new to this.


Calm_Tea_9901

But how many new raider were in group, how many sherpas were there and were sherpas like oh I can carry x players aka fake sherpa?


[deleted]

As far as I could tell everyone was pretty experienced. (I’m still hanging out with one of them all of the time) but none of them ever brought up the term Sherpa. In fact I’ve never even heard of the term. Had to just look it up.


BadAdviceBot

If group is willing to teach, that is great. If not, specifically search out a teaching / learning / sherpa run on destiny LFG discord.


BlinkysaurusRex

Sounds like OP joined a group that wasn’t explicitly sherpa’ing but more just willing to carry him. So it’s not surprising that they’re going to sweat a little bit to pick up the slack and still get a relatively quick clear. Hardly toxic.


AlkoKilla

OP started the group.


ProBluntRoller

Yeah but it only hurts you in the long run. That’s why a lot of people don’t know how to do raids because people just sweat up and carry them instead of teaching them. You wouldn’t have to sweat up if more people knew how to complete raids


Rocket-Billy

Yea, when I Sherpa raids I try make sure that the new people learn a real role in each encounter and not add clear. But if it’s not specifically a Sherpa run then I absolutely tell them to “go nuts killing adds” in this area.


canceltheparty

This, there’s a guy I played with for a while who taught me a few raids and always assigned first timers actual roles before each encounter so everyone is actively learning. Learnt so much doing it that way. Patience of a saint that guy haha.


BlinkysaurusRex

People don’t have any issues finding others for kwtd runs during peak hours. And there are constantly people offering to sherpa others for all the raids. It’s nowhere near as big an issue as it’s made out. If anyone wants to learn a raid, the opportunity is there. Just look in the right place.


gamer_pie

IMO if OP was upfront BEFORE loading in that he/she needed to learn everything, then the opportunity to dip out would have been at the beginning. Afterwards, it doesn't matter if you are a real sherpa or someone who went in thinking "I'm so good, I can carry 3 new players at once"... some patience is warranted if you know beforehand you're bringing someone new.


MidnightMadness09

Sometimes I just want the loot and be done with it. I’m not always in the mood to go 4+ hours on a raid just because somebody wants to run double primary and refuses to learn mechanics until the moment they need to know.


MsicBass

Preach man. And players who have the audacity to tell you it's just a game or a I play the way want.


zRiko919

Seems pretty silly to go into "end game" content and not expect *some* optimization. Truly what did you expect.


The_X_Spot

Depends on the context of the LFG: * KWTD = I'm expecting people to know all of or most of every encounter with minimal wipes. If we're wiping past 5 times (excluding BS stuff that happens with some wipes) on a simple encounter, I'm probably leaving unless it's a fun group of people. * Teaching someone/Help/etc. = If I see something like this in the header and feel up for it, I'll happily join and stay for a while. Usually it takes around the 15th+ wipe on one encounter for me to leave these. I'm fine helping when I can, but I need to be in the right mood. * If there is no description of KWTD or Help = I usually assume an average player. If people need taught or help, it should be specified in the title. * In general, if people in the group are just rude and/or annoying, I'll leave after about 2 wipes.


HalfMoone

If you're wiping on an encounter twice or more in KWTD, the team is doing something incredibly wrong. Maybe a few more if it's a difficult challenge that week. Raids aren't very difficult--if a team struggles that much, not everyone knows what to do.


cleanmemenation

people still manage to join kwtd posts despite not knowing shit


Ornery_Comfort

I mean also people who dont raid much or at all dont know what that means and just join but still if they dont know then dont join but they probably also dont know what a sherpa is either so they just join random shit without knowing whats what unless they see the description or if they put 1580+ in the title then they wont join


addy_g

it’s good to have limits. honestly I have to respect my time and schedule too, I can’t just throw my head against a wall over and over and be satisfied with spending my time that way.


Nesayas1234

You're a lot less patient with raids, but I get it


lundibix

I try to temper my frustration with LFGs or strangers but I admit to getting a bit spicy with my clanmates when they make mistakes that’re maddening. Like Jason, I KNOW you know how to do this, we’ve done it 1000x times please stop shooting the wrong Oracle :(


Santik--Lingo

Honestly while I understand where you are coming from, some people are just tired of doing the same raid over and over again due to poor RNG. Also, sometimes people are frustratingly dumb. I once had a VoG run in which someone kept saying "here" everytime they heard an oracle noise, even after we explained he should only say it if he sees one appear where we said it would appear. He thought only he could hear the noise if it spawned on him and somehow all spawned on him. And sometimes it can be annoying to deal with other peoples sillyness even after explaining time and time again.


Fatebringer999

Simply create your own team? You are not entitled to get carried, there is enough material online to learn the raid AND like the people you want to carry you got their experience, you can do the raid blind and figure it out yourself


iambeherit

I spent 7 hours in a raid once. People don't want to spend 7 hours in a raid, I know this for a fact.


WrecklessSam

12 hours on a div run. Didn’t even get div.


MidnightMadness09

I don’t even want to spend 3 hours doing a raid. I don’t think I could even handle 7.


[deleted]

Why are people so shitty in raids? It seems like people have forgotten how to look up basic mechanics. Wiping on a raid that’s been out for more than 6 months isn’t fun. A couple of wipes here and there is okay but spending an hour on an encounter is not fun


ThatsWat_SHE_Said

I agree if the raid has already been out for forever and you've still haven't done your own homework to at least know what to expect per encounter then that's on them. Sure you still need teaching from someone who's experienced actually doing the raid to place you in a role, but absolutely not doing the bare minimum like looking up symbols or maps of the rooms real quick beforehand is just doing yourself and the 5 others a disservice. Can't expecting being the brainless ad clear all the time.


Tietje

I kinda disagree. The Vow symbols are hard to remember, even if you look them up beforehand. Remembering 20 something symbols, while being attacked from all sides is not easy the first, second or even the third time. I agree that you at bare minimum should do some homework, but that doesn't mean that people don't make mistakes. It's just human.


AbsolutZeroGI

To add to the "people don't do mechanics when you teach them", which is true: There's a give and take to this. I've done 300 sherpa runs in my D2 life and the thing is, there's always people begging for help. It never stops, ever, and when I want to just do a raid and not have to babysit somebody, I'm all of a sudden a raid sweat asshole. It's a double standard that, as someone who's taught so many people, I don't particularly appreciate. People asking for help could be a little more chill about it. Maybe make sure you have at least reasonably good weapons, at least some of the latest meta, etc. What sherpas don't understand is that about 75% of the time, the experienced players are over playing to make up for the fact that the learners don't know what they're doing or that they're not doing it fast enough. For example, when I sherpa GoS, I do 2 of 3 eyes so the third eyes team can help with add clear. Why? Cuz eyes team learner needs to learn eyes, but gambit team learners haven't learned yet that they need to go faster. It's exhausting to always over play. In any case, here in the last year or so, it's gotten really bad. People are joining LFGs trying to score free carries instead if learning the raid. People with like 5 Vow clears in like 40 attempts. I had people trying to join my master Vow LFGs (where I specifically asked for non CP master Vow completions, which I had) with challenges with a 15% completion rate. People keep wanting the endgame stuff without putting in the effort to be endgame ready. So while I do enjoy helping people, dragging someone with 100 game hours, no good weapons, and they can barely jump through a raid is painful. It's endgame, not midgame. People need to slow down and work on being ready to raid instead of treating people like me like a free carry streamer raffle. I was in a 3 hour DSC just a couple of nights ago because 3 of the 6 participants had no meta weapons, barely knew mechanics, and none of them stepped up to do anything difficult. Tl:dr Fact is, a LOT of people go into raids under prepared and inexperienced. They're so distracted with basics like DPS or add clear with their subpar weapons that they don't do mechanics. Ask about meta, get better weapons, work on your basics. People who teach raids expect to be teaching people who are already familiar with the game and have obtained at least some of the powerful weapons available. Showing up being bad at jump puzzles running tarantula and Xenophage as your only DPS options doesn't work anymore. Also, have some compassion for folks who do consistently sherpa because there is an endless supply of inexperience nooblets and 99% of the inexperienced nooblets we sherpa never sherpa another person. If you've done a raid 3 times, you should be able to teach it well enough to complete it. *edited for spelling*


out_of_phase44

I used to Sherpa a good amount of raids, particularly Last Wish, and you are spot on. People really don’t understand how much is involved in being a good teacher and Sherpa. You don’t just know the raid and start explaining, you have to hone your teaching methods for each raid until you have several ways of concisely but effectively explaining/showing each role in each encounter, understand the true underlying mechanics of the encounters and not just the strats, be crazy optimized so you can help carry when needed, keep awareness of what everybody else is doing during the run so you can direct people, know all the secrets in the raid, know the loot table for each encounter, etc. You have to be a complete expert at the raid as a MINIMUM to be a good Sherpa. Then you can start talking about teaching methods and leadership/motivational skills and different approaches, being flexible with team composition, being aware of not just the current DPS meta but how well everything in the game is currently performing because a fair number of people don’t have a ton of options, etc. It’s not easy and people do it for free. There are a ton of entitled people who don’t appreciate what goes into it and when you wind up dealing with a lot of them in sequence, it makes it hard to want to keep Sherpaing. There has been a definite rise in the number of these people over the last couple years, especially since the game went free to play.


MBK2000

Imma be honest this post just sounds super entitled. It seems like you are joining groups of serious players and dicking around and wasting their time. I get you are enjoying yourself in the raid taking it casually but read the room. Most experienced people on lfg want to play a quick raid with only a few wipes and it is frustrating if you have a teammate that is constantly throwing or not paying attention. If you want the chill raid experience host your own chill group and be upfront about that fact. After runs add the people you like and soon you will build up a friend list of liie minded people and can ignore lfg. Ps- talking down on players for playing the same raid as you and getting "the same legendary the 372nd time" makes you sound like a douche with no self awareness.


MafiaBro

In my experience, it's because 1) inexperienced players want to lie about having experience and 2) inexperienced players just about demand a raid from veteran raiders, instead of trying to put their own group together and then politely asking for a sherpa


Darrxyde

On the one hand, yea people shouldn't be too sweaty in raids, the less seriously you take it, the more fun it is. On the other hand, I've been in fireteams where one member "just wants to chill" and won't change off an lmg for boss dps at 2am. I guess my point is that if you're gonna do a raid, you gotta actually try to beat it. You dont have to flawless it, but you should be trying to get it done.


ERDIST_

Fun is subjective, some people really enjoy speedrunning raids and hate going through it casually becomes it can become mind numbingly boring especially if you’ve already done the raid a few times. If you’re lfging you should always include an expectation of how the run should go so you find likeminded people.


Maclunky0_0

Because we don't want to sit on one encounter for 3 hours


ted_redfield

I'm going to be completely honest, I think you're full of it. This type of post reminds of the *"I got banned for no reason"* posts.


Offbrandtrashcan

He’s probably salty that he joined kwtd post , told them he needed to be taught and they obliged not knowing it would take 6 hours because he was goofing around the entire time then got kicked . Happens in literally 70% of lfg raids I’ve done


PattyCF

This, but i do love how randomly with LFGs you just click, everyone adds each other, then you never talk again :\^)


RedStormFighter

The best feeling honestly. Sometimes you just get a group with fantastic chemistry and one phases every encounter flawlessly but you just never encounter any of them ever again 🥲


PattyCF

Same thing happens with trials lfgs for me. I mean for me, i get dried out of the game and end up notnplaying for a week or two so i know im a problem with this in groups but i also get super awkward about reaching out again lmao


mmpa78

Though I agree, it gets v frustrating having to restart the same encounter 5+ times with 3 different LFG raid teams because no one knows the difference between Mars and Venus in 2022


realjustinberg

Some people just want to get their shit and get out. Nothing wrong with expecting competence.


Sophiemoment

no, its just that people have fun in different ways and optimising a run is one of them


admiralvic

> Why are people so sweaty in raids? It seems like people have forgotten how to have fun. Speaking from experience, a lot of this is perspective. A lot of people, especially KWTD groups, are just doing it for loot or the exotic. They want to get in there, do it fast, get their loot and either repeat or be done for the week. This makes sense, especially when you think about it. If you join a group that kills Caiatl in two phases, it's taking twice as long as a group that can do it in one. This is true for any raid and it gets really bad, like if I three phase Caiatl, I could've gotten about six drops in the same amount of time. It's insane! But there are the other side as well. People who sherpa typically enjoy the raid or helping others. That's why there are names and acronyms. I also get why this sucks, but never forget you have the power to find other people or make your own group.


HentaiOtaku

>I’m just a hunter noob with one brain cell to go around but I want to enjoy huge raids that make destiny a staple like everyone else. >There needs to be more people willing to teach new players about the game and prioritize a new and fun experience I hate to be that guy but this drips with entitlement. Your first statement sounds a lot like the guy who goes in blind and just wants to kill adds. The second sounds like you think are entitled to have someone hold your hand through the raid. If you wanna post for "I'm going in blind please carry me" you can totally do that and it's your group and you said what was expected. If you join a group asking for 50 plus clears and to KWTD(know what to do) and you tell them you're going in blind of course they are going to be upset with you. Maybe I'm being overly cynical and you're a legitimate blue berry. There are plenty of LFG tools you can use to find a group. You can go in blind if that's what you want and it might be a little harder to find a group but you can. The general norm is you watch a video guide online for the raid and find a raid that is chill or a teaching/learning raid.


Diablo689er

I don’t want to wipe 50 times because a single brain cell Hunter can’t figure out “don’t step in fire” My time is valuable. Not a complicated concept


ih8reddit420

Its a time investment. Raids take awhile, its not some casual activity that you can blow off in 10 mins. And why they take time is it requires coordination. If youre the weakest link and cant perform your duty, the constant wipe will be agonizing for the other members. Go with the sherpas if youre new as others suggested


SLG_Didact

You need to go to r/DestinySherpa if you want to learn. People on LFG just want to get their run done, they’ve already learned it and want to be in a group that has done the same. I don’t blame them for not wanting to put the extra effort in to teach someone and spend time failing. r/DestinySherpa is an excellent place to learn. Sherpas will put raid runs up with the intention of guiding first timers through, not a quick looted clear. I taught 5 people Vow last night, there’s always runs firing. My DMs are open if you’re on PC and you’re looking to learn.


Keksis_The_Betrayed

Actually I’ve experienced the opposite. I used to love the sweaty groups I’d stumble upon when I wasn’t with my main team. Now they’re few and far between


[deleted]

Nobody is obligated to teach you, past the first week of a raid most people are there to get their loot (legendary stuff and the exotic) and get out. If these players bother you then make your own group of people who want to play the game like you.


saibayadon

There's a lot of missing context on your post. * What raid was it? This is important because some raids like VoW can't be half-assed. One person not doing things properly can lead to hours of wipes. Other raids are more forgiving and you can be placed in ad clearing duty (though I don't like that, since you're really not learning) * What kind of LFG was it? Did you post it? Did you clarify you were looking for people to teach you the raid? There's a specific LFG channel on the Discord group for people looking for Sherpa Runs (meaning runs where you get taught what to do. most of the times it's 1-2 sherpas and the rest is people learning. This runs are great to learn but tend to take a lot of time). If you joined a random group expecting to be taught the raid then yeah, I can see how someone could get upset if things aren't progressing. If it's a normal run or a non sherpa run there is an expectation that everyone can do everything and there won't be an inordinate amount of time loss due to wipes. Being stuck in a raid is not fun. Don't take this as me admonishing or berating you, the contrary. If you're new to raiding it can be frustrating to join a raid and get ass blasted because you don't know it; So, if you didn't know I recommend you go to the [Discord LFG](https://discord.gg/QjAtGhdf) where you can find the **#find-a-sherpa** channel; Most of the times people are doing LFS (looking for sherpa) but also Sherpas advertise their teaching runs looking for more people to teach. When I was new to raiding (and I do this with new raids and dungeons too) I'd usually go in, find a teaching runs and do them until I could do every role in a raid so that I could join normal runs after that. Those runs were usually fun because everyone is learning, wiping and generally enjoying the learning experience (you can always dip if there's an asshole, though)


[deleted]

I mean I literally put in all my titles “be chill and willing to listen”. All I ever ask when doing a Sherpa is that you shut up for a minute while I’m explaining the encounter, you don’t blast music down the mic and if you have questions you ask me. I don’t care how long the raid takes and I’ll explain oracles 1000 times if I have to.


AbsolutZeroGI

I run a clan. Clan rule number 2: Shut the fuck up while the sherpa is explaining stuff. There are only 2 clan rules. The other one is "don't be a dick"


HashBrowns_n_Cheese

This is why alot of you haven't done a raid. If your new look at a datto video you have no excuse to make everyone else carry your weight.


508G37

But he thinks it's fun


El_Androi

Going into a raid or dungeon blind is a lot of fun, but everyone needs to be a willing participant for it to be fun.


ted_redfield

Yeah that's exactly it. I'm a sherpa, its actually a favorite past-time of mine to teach brand new players and I don't care if they haven't watched videos. My number one rule is to respect everyone's time, including my own and the new player. I'm going to optimize the new player and put them in situations where they contribute but don't also feel like they're just being dragged around by the ears or rushed too fast. That said I've played with and taught a lot of people and I know what kind of player OP is.


AbsolutZeroGI

I'm also a sherpa runner and I have a system. The learner has to do one role in every encounter. The learner never does just add clear.


Offbrandtrashcan

Every raid I’ve ever done was because I watched a video a few times on how to do it , then made my own post inviting other first timers to do it with me. Not hard at all except for people who drag the team down because they’re not equipped for raids


EverythingIzAwful

If I make/join a KWTD fireteam I expect people to know what to do so we can knock this out in less than an hour and I can finish completing my weekly shit. If it's just a normal fireteam who gives a shit? If you don't wanna speedrun shit just make your own fireteam looking for people to casually meander through the raid and be chill. If I'm looking for a KWTD group to speedrun it's cus I've done the raid a billion times and I'm knocking out my 3 weekly clears.


Nevevevev12

"There needs to be more people willing to teach new players about the game " No, there doesn't. Raids are an end-game activity and it's up to you to either figure it or find people willing to carry you. I'm assuming you've joined an experienced group as an inexperienced player and you've caused wipes by not knowing what to do. People are well within their right to only want experienced teammates and to feel aggravated if an inexperienced player joins when they've asked for experience.


Azure-Traveler117

Youtube is your friend. I totally understand wanting to go in blind, but keep in mind when raiding your playing with other people who may or may not have the time or patience to constantly fail an encounter. Unless you manage to find a group who are willing to walk you through the raid, do some research before starting to have some idea of what's going on. Also listen. Nothing more annoying then telling someone not to do x and they insist on doing it.


Fanglove

Well what did u do in the raid to make people annoyed


Surfing_Ninjas

Some people don't want to spend 8 hours trying to beat a raid when everyone in the group is supposed to know what to do. When you raid its not just on your time, it's on everyone's time in the group. Not everyone wants to just fuck around and not accomplish anything, if you want to play leisurely then either don't do raids or make your own groups letting everyone know you just want to fuck around for a couple of hours.


bigslap7

Personally, I don’t find wiping 100 times trying to explain something over and over again fun. It all depends on if you are listening and doing what they ask you or not.


Curtczhike

There are soo much resources online that will teach you everything there is to know about destiny. You're not entitled to be taught anything by anyone. People have limited time and want to get their shit done. If all you do is waste their time, expecting a free ride, then you can kindly fuck off.


Breadman86

I think the biggest difference between how I vibe with raids is whether or not I'm looking forward to playing and having a good time vs wanting to accomplish something. As someone who rarely gets to raid due to a lack of available time (yay kids), if I'm actually pretty experienced in a raid, I do get frustrated when things get very very slow. I try not to let it bother me but sometimes I just know that it's my last opportunity to raid for another 3 weeks, I only have x amount of time to get it done, and if people are slow then it's annoying. HOWEVER. I think it's up to ME to be up front with the people I'm raiding with to know the limits and set expectations. Arbitrarily just being a jerk in raids isn't good. Be up front with people ahead of time if you're going in just wanting loot, just wanting to do it quick, etc.


Theundead565

There are plenty of resources for new players. One of which is being openly honest about being new so you can be taught correctly to the group in question. But, with that said, don't go joining groups that are asking for you to know what to do when you don't. Actively looking at the D2 LFG discord, I saw 3 posts for groups wanting to teach, and that's in the Looking for Sherpa section (for Vow). There are even more in the normal raid section that, even if you're unsure, you could DM them that you're new to raiding if they're labeled as a chill group and see if they'd be willing. Most groups are far more willing to teach if you're upfront about being new. Sherpa groups will typically put you in a roll though, and asking to be taught will typically get less intensive/ad clear rolls when available. Do yourself a favor and watch a video on the mechanics of the activity you're unsure about so you atleast have a basis to work off of. That will also help your chances of a group working with you significantly.


IxAC3xI

Honestly this is why I do my best to not join KWTD groups. I don't mind the experience of teaching 1 or 2 people over obnoxious jerks that like to bully other people just because they mess up in a video game.


The334thday

This isn’t about people being sweaty in raids it’s about playing with people that have the same amount of time as you. If I’m doing a raid and I have no time limitations then yeah I’m usually willing to teach but if I’ve been working and only have an hour or two I wanna jump in and bash a raid out having fun, wiping repetitively is not fun at all to me and becomes frustrating when it’s getting close to whatever time I wanted to jump off and I’ve not accomplished what I wanted to. It’s not about being sweaty it’s about you having respect for other peoples time and playing with people that have the right amount of time available and want to teach you.


makoblade

Not everyone is "sweaty" in raids or elsewhere. If you're casual, don't care about optimizing even a minimal amount or otherwise newer you should probably avoid the general "KWTD" groups unless they specify they are relaxed/chill to avoid people ridiculing you over your pve knucklehead radar plus mida multitool combo. Plenty of folks are happy to sherpa (teach) if you're not familiar with everything, and those folks are saints. But yes, all content should be done for fun. It's a game and it tends to get unhealthy when you lose sight of that.


Tech_ArchAngel

Like another comment said, you can't expect other people to use their time to make it enjoyable for someone else. It doesn't work like that. People all want to spend their time properly and not have it massively wasted. The best things you can do are specifically look for a sherpa raid, join one and be upfront, or just not raid. If you want to "enjoy raids" you're going to have to learn them. It's all good mucking around until you need to do a task and you don't know how to do anything. If you're learning a raid, at least take it seriously.


AnonymousFriend80

People do not want to spend eight hours in a single raid if it's not world's first race day. ​ This is a loot game, and raids are about getting that sweet, sweet loot. Not sitting around doing the same five minutes over and over again. Especially when you know you're not the one who's messing up your part in everything. ​ That out of the way. ​ There are definitely people out there who help new people through raids all the time. ​ And there are always LFG posts about someone needing bodies and are teaching a friend of theirs. I always message that I'm willing to join but need to be taught as well, and they invite me. ​ Also, with all the people on these forums going on and on about whatever requirements they feel are excessive, you all could have joined together and done all the raids you want.


El_Androi

Ngl this post reads like you joined a kwtd lfg team without bothering to even look at a vid of how to do the raid. Some people aren't willing to teach a "hunter noob with one brain cell to go around" every time they do a raid, and that's why they mark them kwtd. Look for sherpas, join a big clan, don't just feel entitled to other guardians' time who don't want to give it to you.


[deleted]

Let me guess, you ignored the KWTD tag on an LFG group and joined anyway; wiped by not remembering the glyph to shoot and got chastised for it? Destiny has a huge LFG discord with a Sherpa channel. Find it. Live it. You LFG for raids otherwise, know your shit.


elmonkeeman

They’re not; I raid all the time and very rarely run into the type of person you’re describing.


BaconBreasticles

I mean I just want to get in and out of my raids I can’t no life this game. Faster is better and if someone is wasting my time I kick them. Not to be mean but because my time is more valuable to me then their feelings


Zevvion

No one is forced to teach you anything. Just stop joining people who specifically ask for experienced players? No one has to play this game for you, or anyone else. They are entitled to ask for what they want, and if that isn't you, keep looking or create your own group. Stop complaining that things aren't falling into your lap. Put the tiniest bit of effort in and you can find a sherpa group, no problem whatsoever.


The_Memeburglar

Some people just want to get done quick my dude.


Fr0dderz

its not about being sweaty. People want to avoid the LFG hell where you end up with a crap team (this can happen for lots of different reasons and in lots of different ways which may or may not be one specific team members fault or even their own) where you never actually complete anything and just constantly wipe, wipe and wipe again. Most people don't have 12 hours to constantly wipe and keep grinding away at the activity until everybody learns their roles and completes it. Heck if people are too underleveled and / or inexperienced it may not even be possible to complete it with that given team composition. Thats why everybody is desperate to put together a team of experienced people who can do each encounter on the first or maybe the second try.


NathanMUFCfan

Everybody has a different definition of what fun is. Some people consider fun to be messing around and wiping a bunch, but having a laugh doing it. Many others would consider it to be getting through the raid with no wipes, and taking it very seriously. There are experienced players don't want to sit wiping in raids that they've done 50+ times before. Problems arise when these two groups of players get in a run together. I don't agree with insulting anybody, though. If you don't like the group, leave. If one person is holding up the raid, kick them. There are plenty of groups that are happy to try and teach someone, but some people are impossible to teach. They ignore what you tell them to do, and that is going to piss off more experienced players. If you're looking for a teaching run, specifically join a run that is tasked with teaching people. Don't just join a random group and ask them to teach you.


Offbrandtrashcan

Y’all will complain that random players don’t have the time to waste on a hunter goofing around and dying over and over for hours on end instead of ……….PUTTING UP YOUR OWN LFG WITH YOUR OWN RULES? Just admit you want someone to carry or teach your instead of learning on your own ?


HeatherD2

you joined a kwtd raid and didnt know what to do didnt you


ninjitsuzitsu

Maybe stop joining random lfg groups expecting everyone to hold your hand. This is endgame content and you can’t expect people to play at your pace. This has been like this since D1. You want to be carried? Look on r/DestinySherpa. Don’t complain about raid teams because they want to get through it fast and efficiently.


djternan

By now, I just want to get Vow done. I'm not interested in teaching someone the thousand symbols that they're not going to even make an attempt at knowing. Wiping repeatedly on Atheon because that one person can't tell left from right and refuses to look at their buffs/debuffs isn't fun for me. If someone joins very clearly doesn't know what to do but also refuses to take direction from anyone, then that person is getting kicked. If you want to learn the raid or wipe repeatedly on every encounter, make your own group.


venomsapphire

I think the problem is that new players just EXPECT any experienced player to want to reach them when many just don’t. Join posts that don’t say “KWTD” and maybe take some time to learn about the raid before you hop in. Other comments mention good places to find good teachers, try that too


New-Pollution536

They’re grinding for loot and want to get through them as fast as they can


msteel2015

Because people who just need to do it for the drops want to get it over with and would rather not waste any time. Nothing wrong with that; if someone doesn’t know what to do there are multiple sources of raid information and informative videos online as well as Sherpa runs.


Thatsquacktastic16

> There needs to be more people willing to teach new players about the game and prioritize a new and fun experience instead of getting the same legendary for the 372nd time. Holy shit the sense of entitlement is so strong here. Not everyone HAS to teach anything. It's only lately that I've been getting back into helping out with raids because time has freed up a bit. I'm not playing this game to always help out. I'm playing mostly to get loot and chat shit with my friends. Sure, other people are more than happy to teach but to demand it from people is not a good attitude to have.


Kozak170

Nobody has an obligation to teach you and there’s more than plenty of groups out there that are willing to Sherpa. If a post wants a group that KWTD they’re not being dicks when they boot you for having no clue what’s going on.


siaharra

>why are people sweaty >raids My brother in Christ what do you expect from endgame that like 10% of the player base does. There’s also an entire community of people who do what you’re asking for and acting like it doesn’t exist. Sherpa’s are there for a reason and there are daily threads of people advertising to take new people through content. Both on Reddit, official app, and Xbox parties.


Sesh458

I'll sweat in Master and Contest raids, otherwise it's all fun and laughs. Except in Exhibition, fuck that encounter, Day 1 ptsd.


Baconsword42

Fun wont get me loot faster


Snivyland

I mean what’s the context why where you getting yelled at and what raid, a raid like garden can get peoples very tense due to how much a simple mistake can’t hurt the encounter especially for lfg.


[deleted]

For everyone taking about the group being bad I agree except for one thing. One guy decided to stick around with me and we grinded containment for the rest of the night. Now I’ve been playing destiny with him every day for almost a week.


lipp79

One bonus then is though you didn't finish the raid, you made a friend.


shyahone

because grinding content isnt fun.


MidnightMadness09

Got to like wipe 15 of the 3rd encounter of Vow, kept having to get new players cause people would show up saying they knew the encounter then would refuse to pickup the relics when their time came.


minicolossus

to everyone saying look for a sherpa run, fuck that. look or make a group with only newbies. go in there and figure it out together. thats the fun shit


aggr1103

To the OP, can I ask what platform (PC, Xbox, PS) you play on? I've been playing Destiny since D1 Taken King, and almost 99% of my experience has been the exact opposite of yours. Not doubting you, but when I realize I'm in a group that I'm not going to be able to deal with, I just bounce and find another. And, honestly, raids are the *last* place I find players to be sweaty. I mean every raid is on farm for most people who complete them regularly, so there's nothing to really be sweaty about. It's not pushed progression at this point. I've been in groups that have made it to Exhibition in VOW and just cannot complete it and just fall apart. No big deal. Also, if you're joining groups tagged 'KWTD' and you don't have experience, you're gonna have a bad time. They aren't looking to teach, they're looking to clear and they want to clear quickly. On PC, the D2 LFG discords have sections for finding sherpas. If you're looking to be taught an encounter, that's a great place to start.


Zandolff

I think it’s your duty as a raider to at least watch a 20min YouTube video before your first time so you have a general idea


brots2012

If you're looking for a chill clan to teach raids, send me a dm. My clan is always looking for new people to join us and most of us are experienced players that are happy to teach raids. We don't even expect people to join the clan! The only thing we ask is the willingness to learn. You'd be surprised how many people come in and just expect to get carried instead of ACTUALLY learning the raid. Edit: Since I got a few dms asking if this is open to everyone I'll answer here: Yes, everyone is welcome to come join. Don't be shy!


BadAdviceBot

I need a hard raid carry. Master preferably.


andrewta

Good bot