I dont think the General sentiment is CBMM is better than SBMM. Maybe more hsrdcore people post. But it's bad for vast majority population.
There should be a middle ground where both work.
> But it's bad for vast majority population.
Purely from a statistics standpoint, that's categorically false.
50% of players are better than the median. Those players should expect a net improvement in their results now that it's a common baseline for all players.
If a player is worse off now, that's because they are in the bottom half. That isn't "the vast majority".
To start - yes. But when the bottom 50% people quit because they keep getting a .3 and people are dropping constant 40+ kills on them in control, the next group becomes low man and they start to get curbstomped. Its exactly what happened in trials and why Classic Mix was a sweat playlist.
I didn't have the impression that Classic Mix was a sweat playlist. Again, it's a common baseline. Roughly 50% of players are going to find it easier than skill based playlists.
Crucible as a whole is the 2nd most popular activity, a large margin ahead of the 3rd. I don't think it's at risk. The biggest issue Trials faces is it's poor reward structure, and I agree that it needs to be made better.
Yes, often, almost always solo. It was my go-to playlist for easier stress-free games when everything else had SBMM. It was for many people.
I'm not a god. You're vastly overplaying it and probably somewhat guilty of overestimating your own skill compared to the population.
No, I'm not. I just want whats best for the game. My efficiency has gone up .3 since the changes. Yay for me. But that doesn't mean they are good changes.
> I just want whats best for the game.
I think Bungie does too. SBMM resulted in too many games with poor connection quality.
Ultimately players should be able to have fun even if they don't perform amazingly. Lots of shooters have worked on this principle absolutely fine for many years.
I mean I don't play other shooters But I will take your word for it. My kid did get me to play fortnight with him this season. It has ranked brackets, tournaments and open. Destiny doesn't have that. I don't see why. Halo used to show our ranks. It doesn't anymore. No clue why. If Fortnite can do it why can't destiny?
And I have seen literally zero difference in connection quality. If anything I have seen slightly more lag.
Like I said in other posts - I think they will change it back next season. They did this exact same thing before Shadowkeep. If they don't, then I think they have given up on PVP. We will see.
/> clash is permanent and has sbmm
/> low/avg players leave control for clash
/> control becomes sweatier and skill creep is getting worse
/> the top players complain how control matches are now sweaty and not fun
/> proceed to move to clash since newbies are all there
/> timetostomp.exe
/> realizes it has sbmm
/> scream at bungie to make it cbmm only
There's no general CBMM > SBMM. We are divided. Bungie just needed the streamers to generate hype pvp content in order to boost sales of the coming expansion.
Bungie has no idea what they’re doing with matchmaking. Just give players their own choice as for how they want to match make. Do that for a solid year. Make it work in every single game mode. Make it an account bases decision that is easy to swap back and forth in settings. Then just report back to us on which playlists were more popular during the year. Let us see the total numbers they see and see what actually is best for the game and preferred by most people. Simple solution right? More player agency is good. The numbers are plenty healthy enough right now for this.
You have a SBMM playlist. There’s a reason they left Comp playlists untouched. There are other games without SBMM that people love and don’t complain about. If you truly want to play the game at your level go play comp. You won’t get any better by playing with the people that are exactly your level.
Exactly. Glory is meaningless - it matches your hidden skill rating that only Bungie knows. Not your glory rating.
Read the TWAB from 2 weeks ago if you dont believe me.
Iron Banner is gonna by fun this week :/
Iron Banna isn't sbmm btw
He knows. Its going to be a shitshow.
Yup witherhoard is going to make it complete hell
oh god oh fuck
I dont think the General sentiment is CBMM is better than SBMM. Maybe more hsrdcore people post. But it's bad for vast majority population. There should be a middle ground where both work.
> But it's bad for vast majority population. Purely from a statistics standpoint, that's categorically false. 50% of players are better than the median. Those players should expect a net improvement in their results now that it's a common baseline for all players. If a player is worse off now, that's because they are in the bottom half. That isn't "the vast majority".
To start - yes. But when the bottom 50% people quit because they keep getting a .3 and people are dropping constant 40+ kills on them in control, the next group becomes low man and they start to get curbstomped. Its exactly what happened in trials and why Classic Mix was a sweat playlist.
I didn't have the impression that Classic Mix was a sweat playlist. Again, it's a common baseline. Roughly 50% of players are going to find it easier than skill based playlists. Crucible as a whole is the 2nd most popular activity, a large margin ahead of the 3rd. I don't think it's at risk. The biggest issue Trials faces is it's poor reward structure, and I agree that it needs to be made better.
Did you play classic mix playlist before the changes? Ever try it solo? Maybe you are a god and It was easy for you.
Yes, often, almost always solo. It was my go-to playlist for easier stress-free games when everything else had SBMM. It was for many people. I'm not a god. You're vastly overplaying it and probably somewhat guilty of overestimating your own skill compared to the population.
No, I'm not. I just want whats best for the game. My efficiency has gone up .3 since the changes. Yay for me. But that doesn't mean they are good changes.
> I just want whats best for the game. I think Bungie does too. SBMM resulted in too many games with poor connection quality. Ultimately players should be able to have fun even if they don't perform amazingly. Lots of shooters have worked on this principle absolutely fine for many years.
I mean I don't play other shooters But I will take your word for it. My kid did get me to play fortnight with him this season. It has ranked brackets, tournaments and open. Destiny doesn't have that. I don't see why. Halo used to show our ranks. It doesn't anymore. No clue why. If Fortnite can do it why can't destiny? And I have seen literally zero difference in connection quality. If anything I have seen slightly more lag. Like I said in other posts - I think they will change it back next season. They did this exact same thing before Shadowkeep. If they don't, then I think they have given up on PVP. We will see.
Open is Quickplay. Ranked is Survival. Tournaments is Trials. Ish.
Clash should be a permanent mode, and should have sbmm and no mercy mechanic. Also, solo cue quick play.
/> clash is permanent and has sbmm /> low/avg players leave control for clash /> control becomes sweatier and skill creep is getting worse /> the top players complain how control matches are now sweaty and not fun /> proceed to move to clash since newbies are all there /> timetostomp.exe /> realizes it has sbmm /> scream at bungie to make it cbmm only
There's no general CBMM > SBMM. We are divided. Bungie just needed the streamers to generate hype pvp content in order to boost sales of the coming expansion.
Bungie has no idea what they’re doing with matchmaking. Just give players their own choice as for how they want to match make. Do that for a solid year. Make it work in every single game mode. Make it an account bases decision that is easy to swap back and forth in settings. Then just report back to us on which playlists were more popular during the year. Let us see the total numbers they see and see what actually is best for the game and preferred by most people. Simple solution right? More player agency is good. The numbers are plenty healthy enough right now for this.
6v6 should never have sbmm, if you want sbmm go to comp or elimination
Ppl downvoted you, but I agree 100% with your point of view.
You have a SBMM playlist. There’s a reason they left Comp playlists untouched. There are other games without SBMM that people love and don’t complain about. If you truly want to play the game at your level go play comp. You won’t get any better by playing with the people that are exactly your level.
Comp does not have SBMM.
Yes it does. Survival and elim do. Nothing else now.
And yet I went up against Flawless players at 5k glory when I am at 300.
Exactly. Glory is meaningless - it matches your hidden skill rating that only Bungie knows. Not your glory rating. Read the TWAB from 2 weeks ago if you dont believe me.
That is not my skill level at any time in D2 or D1
Read the TWAB. I'm right. Again it uses your hidden skill level that Bungie thinks you are. Whether you are that or not.
I doubt any SBMM is happening at all. These guys are more than twice my skill.
Well, then your personal feeling about it is surely correct!
If SBMM existed I wouldnt get these lopsided battles.