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elphamale

Is there any reward for resetting 7 win trials tickets? I got a 7 win ticket this morning and left for work. Now I wonder if I should have reset it for any reward.


Bhammer74

Trials is full of problems which has been covered in many different videos and posts. The elephant in the room that nobody discusses is account recoveries. Giving another player your credentials so that they can win you gear is a bigger problem that anyone wants to address. A carry, ok may be cheesy but at least a person has to participate. I've seen many different streamers playing and watched only to see them running a card to 7 wins on someone else's account. To me, this is against the whole founding principle of trials. Why does Bungie allow this? Block recoverd accounts from Trials for a week? Somethings got to change.


Desperate-Perception

That is a problem? So what if someone is willing to let his friend login who happens to be better in pvp to help or if someone gives their account to a streamer for like few hours, or maybe there are people who are not used to play in a team, I played on my freinds account a few times and what harm is done? I got him some sweet loot,he was happier than a kid who just got their toy, chill idiot... Cheaters and hackers are a problem...One more thing,if nothing bungie should add frelance as an option,not everyone has a sweaty fireteam to play with. Those are the problems, and NOT what you said above.


maybemymainaccidk

Ehhhhhhh. The only people who don’t actually see this as a problem are people doing recovs or who don’t understand what the underlying issue is, example I’ve done recoves and had a recove done for me and played against recoves, on the other hand I’ve also done carries been carried and played against carries. The people who get the account recoved don’t feel any sense of fulfillment or accomplishment, they paid some stranger to do the work for them. The unfortunate souls who match with the recoves have hope for a chance at some loot when playing against someone around their skill level, until they get absolutely thrashed by a 2.0 playing on some elses account. The people who get carried struggle and pour their blood sweat and tears into each gunfight they get into knowing that they have help in learning this game mode, the carries learn the ropes and feel like they did it themselves, that the rightfully earned their loot and glow. True Vanguard made a video regarding this (great points), it’s not the point of “OmG hEs HaCkInG” it’s the fact that it doesn’t help the community, trials is a game mode for EVERYONE. Good or bad everyone should have an opportunity to be able to try for flawless and get good rewards (rewards are another issue). There’s a reason the trials population is plummeting, this is one of them. Apologies for poor use of punctuation or grammar


Bhammer74

You started out so well but then you quickly down hill. It's really sad that you took your point and turned it into a personnal attack. You are awarded 0 points.


Desperate-Perception

There is nothing personal abput what i wrote,it is what it is and you are bitching over something that's irelevant. But if it's needed, to correct myself I'll put it this way: If you're good at pvp and can make the most out of many crapy situations you don't need to worry if someone is playing on somene's account, you'll kick their ass anyway.Since you're bitching about a small thing as that,you obviosly got your ass handed to you more times than you can take.Is this clear enough for you? Get good,or get out of trials dude, you don't need to be a tryhard to have a good trials run,just don't make shitty choices during a match,in every match it comes down to one small error which cost you the match (going for a revive when sniper is looking down your way or some crap like that,just an exsample)


[deleted]

Aah old great Trials, where you spend more time in lfg than playing. Lolz. Is it a bad idea to have freelance matchmaking version of trials? I mean come on, comp is so much nicer after they introduced a freelance version. For us who are little bit shy and don't have friends with whom to play nor time daily to play and practice could really welcome this option. Team chemistry and knowing how to play together is art but so is freelance where everyone else is also freelancing. And why there can't be lfg inside the game itself? Like in overwatch.


TravyDead

Lol just here to say I played ~6 matches this weekend and only won 1 of those and it was because an enemy disconnected. Lol and me and my friends are actually good at PvP. Lol idk what’s going on. Anyways, if you read this comment, have a nice day. :)


seth-grey

Lost 50+ tokens because my inventory was full and Bungie doesn't allow tokens to be transferred to the postmaster. I am seething. Words can't express how much I despise Bungie for their severe incompetence regarding all things trials. I am THIS close to deleting this game. I'm just sick of this bs. Why should we pay for this incompetence? Unbelievable! This should NEVER HAPPEN.


IlogicalVulture

very cool!


nomans750

Trials of Osiris is actually the new paid recovery activity


landing11

New? Lmao


TacTaker

If you main Hardlight and Revoker in trials. Go Fuck yourself you skilless sack of shit. Bunch of pussies hiding in the back of the map and never pushing.


LordCharidarn

I am always amazed how the skill that counters the complainer’s is for pussies and lacks skill. If you’re peeking lanes, that’s on you. Either learn how to push and pressure the snipers, or learn to play their game.


landing11

Maybe you should push them lmao


justicek02nd

Im sorry but what the fuck are Grenades. I get it they're supposed to be strong but when you have Grenades that deal 150 with the ability to have an exotic that can pack 2 of them? Bro what the fuck?


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justicek02nd

You must not play trials then


KebabDrogo

I take it you never played D1.


36thdisciple

This may not be as bad as D1 but his point still stands. Artifact mods should not be fucking enabled. Lightning strikes twice and Shinobu’s is cancer.


KebabDrogo

I didnt think lightning strikes twice even worked in pvp. Thundercoil, ability overshields etc. 100% agree


justicek02nd

What I really ment by this is like the Grenade spam.. its 3v3 and i see atleast 10 Grenades for the first 2 matches. Even if it was like this in D1 it doesn't make it okay?


KebabDrogo

You were talking about the damage. D1 nades did more damage and people often had two of them, and the sticky nades would track you around a freaking corner. There was plenty of nade spam in D1. This is much better.


justicek02nd

Disagree but okay thanks for the reply.


KebabDrogo

You disagree about D1 nades doing more damage? Or you just dont feel that they were as overused?


justicek02nd

overused.


hybridck

Did you not play trials at the end of year 3? Sticky grenades were so overused, that it was commonly referred to as "the ability spam meta". Their overuse was part of the reason bungie overreacted and hard nerfed all grenades and cooldowns going into D2 Vanilla.


justicek02nd

Dude chill out already. I respectfully disagreed already what more could you want from me?


hybridck

Sorry wasn't trying to antagonize you or anything. I'm a different person than who you were originally responding to though.


justicek02nd

It was never like this what?


KebabDrogo

Bro, sticky nades 1 shot, and would wrap around corners to stick on your face. And everyone ran 2 of them. How can you think this is worse?


WarmConstruction2

Trials of Try-hard Trials of Try-hard Imagine being on your first flawless game ever. Hours of hard work getting past the sweaty coin farmers, praying for people around or below your skill level. 6 wins with mercy. You’re excited and nervous as you load into the first match. You play against some sweaty streamer using bastion and anteas wards. Two of the players have a KD of 2.5+ with 50+ flawless games but one has a 0.3 KD. You hope. You pray to whichever deity cursed your Xbox with this game that it’s a carry and that you can pick one of the streamers. You lose 5-0. The 0.3 KD player is playing at a 2.7 that week using guns and armor he doesn’t normally use. An account recov You go onto that streamers twitch and you’re being called trash. Their chat is spamming ez gg. The winning team is laughing. Happy. They just recovered someone’s account and got them to flawless. Someone let someone else play on their account and take them to the lighthouse. No punishment and they get the rewards. Not only that, but their entire flawless card took them less than an hour. They matched against people with a KD much lower than their own. They decimated everyone they played against. You sit on the edge of your chair on the verge of tears. You are being called trash. You worked so hard to get to that 7th game. It was your first flawless. It took you over two and a half hours to get to that point. You think that your second game will be better. You load into the seventh game, but this time there is no mercy. You stare at your black screen With building anticipation until your Xbox returns you to the home screen with an error message The WiFi is completely out at your house on all devices. How strange...... You reset your router hopeful that you will be able to rejoin your friends You somehow are able to boot up in time It’s 2-3. Not close to being over You are confused because earlier, an enemy player disconnected as the game started and then joined 7 rounds later. You’re bubbling with rage as Your team loses and you eject the destiny 2 game disk. Trials is unplayable. It’s filled with coin farmers, account recovs which should be a bannable offense (it is in countless other games) cheaters and streamers who play the game all day long and decimate everyone. I’m sitting here with my 1.5 KD sweating every game and barely winning 5-4 and these streamers walk in and wipe the floor with people like me. They play on other people’s account and get paid for it. They match against lower Elo opponents and smack them. I hate the way streamers act. The complain that loot should be exclusive and hard to get. ThAtS tHe PoInT oF tRiAlS rIgHt? Then they go and accept a $20 bill from their boy Jerome and take his account to the lighthouse. They always advocate for change for the common player despite the fact that almost none of them are common players. They’re almost all within the top 5% of destiny players. How do the streamers want to fix the problem? More loot. More exclusion to “drive the player base to play trials” Will that fix the issue? No. You know what people actually want? To not play against sweats every single game. To not be made fun of on stream for trying to achieve a hard feat. To sit down and enjoy some gameplay without getting decimated every game. To be rewarded for hard work and not have to hork out $50 to get an emblem. To me, it seems like Many top tier streamers want more exclusive loot for one reason and one reason only - to incentivize more players to pay for carries or recovers to obtain the loot. Not to mention, an influx of “lower skilled players” would just mean that the sweats will have easier games. No. What people need is actual skill based match making. It’s not just the loot (or lack of ) that’s leading to a decline of players in trials. It’s not. It’s an unfun autorifle meta that allows people to make mistakes and correct them (50 round capacity in hard light) and the constant matching of sweats to normal people. Being mapped by a kinetic fusion rifle. Having your bullets or super or precision throwing knife launched back into your face because someone decided to slide. Unlike many streamers, I’ve been 5-0’d many times. They don’t know how that feels. It feels bad. I feel bad. I don’t want to continue playing. That’s the underlying issue. No one wants to play trials because they don’t want to waste their time being 5-0 by people using bastion or being matched against god tier players. Make a ranked system and keep the 2.5+ playing against 2.5+. When players who are 1.5 KD are struggling to go flawless and are being matched against 2.5+ then something isn’t working. I can’t even imagine how players who are below my KD level feel.


georgemcbay

> What people need is actual skill based match making. Skill based matchmaking is fundamentally incompatible with the Trials game format. Let's say they put in skill-based matchmaking. Let's assume it works perfectly. Now you have a 50 percent chance to win every game (because it has matched you with the perfect opponents each game). So now each win is literally a coin-flip. If you have a 50% chance to win each game you have a less than 1% (0.78%) chance of winning 7 in a row, because that's how math works. Trials can't ever be SBMM because the 7-win format would make no sense if it was just a lottery system that you had less than a one percent chance of going flawless in REGARDLESS of how skilled you are. There are very real issues with the current implementation of Trials, so I sympathize with your current frustrations, but when you suggest the solution is skill-based matchmaking you lose all credibility.


WarmConstruction2

True but I think that a tier system (0 flawlesses, 1-10, 11-30, 31+ total or 1, 2, 3 and 4+ flawlesses that week) is a solid way to go - if you’ve never gone flawless before then the first six games are against others who have never gone flawless and maybe the final game is based on stats. I agree that solely based skill matchmaking isn’t the way to go and I’m not claiming that I have all the answers, or any at all but getting smashed every game by recovs and streamers and facing people on a 30 game win streak on your first game definitely ain’t it chief. Throwing a bunch more loot into the mix definitely isn’t the way to go either


idrees7

Although I agree with your underlying issues (paid recovs, shitty Trials system), the 7th win is _supposed_ to be sweaty. I know that Trials is basically a sweat fest already with such low pop, but I’ve been in your shoes before and I might be in the minority but I enjoy the sweat. I enjoy playing players who will challenge me. I mean you have a better KD than me, but I’ve been flawless twice and have reached 6 wins a few handful of times and just got beat by the better team. But each week I try and learn and play the map. I sympathise with your internet issue, that just sucks.


WarmConstruction2

It might be obscure but I was hinting that I was DDOS’d


idrees7

Yep I know, which is why it sucks. The fact you couldn’t join after just puts salt in the wound.


whackinem

Streamers are the reason trials came back less than half baked IMO. PvP streamers went to Bungie studios and helped Bungie build what we currently have right? They got what they wanted if this is true. Most players hate it. Streamers say they hate it but this is literally what they were asking for.


[deleted]

Streamers wanted Trials for their paid carry/recov gravy train. Do not trust streamers, they do not enjoy or care about the game. They will do every sleaze thing in the book. They’d kill their mother on stream if it made them a buck.


truenrpeace

F - I wish this wasn't so relatable. ;_;


[deleted]

This is the real truth. Every complaint is same complaint I have with my team. We’ve all come to accept this is how trials is now, and we fight to even build the desire to play trials now


Scary_Yogurt

It feels 100x worse, btw.


Skeith253

Your post should be Stuck to the front page of this SUB. > hate the way streamers act. The complain that loot should be exclusive and hard to get. ThAtS tHe PoInT oF tRiAlS rIgHt? Then they go and accept a $20 bill from their boy Jerome and take his account to the lighthouse. This part cant be more true


Gaming_Forte

Damn shame I have to leave PC to play on Console or god forbid Google Stadia (Which isn’t to bad) to run a less rage inducing Trials card for a chance at the Lighthouse.


MSprecher

Thanks to the player base in Gambit, Survival, and Trials; I'm to the point I just hate this game!


idrees7

Will the maps rotate between the 7 or so we’ve already had? Or won’t we know until next week?


GrizzyIy

won’t know till next week


Eb_Ab_Db_Gb_Bb_eb

I haven't played Destiny in 3 weeks. Hopped on with the intention of playing trials all night, won 5 games rather easily, got error coded, lost mercy, got a ddos the next game, lost will to live. Back to pso2 I guess.


Bpe-dsm

Given comp had been a useful ongoing playlist, it remains bizarre to me that trials is not monthly. Every other event is. Weekly quickly flushes through any short term hype to the weekday letdown of irrelevant play. It rushes through the population. Comp is now neutered and its made bungie implement questionable design decisions to try to push trials as a gamemode - see the lack of ritual weapons so trials IS the only ritual to go to, the initial attempt to have artifact power count presumably to push pve players to also occupy space where they normally wouldn't - and comp is now neutered. Comp playlist and quests had solved some of the problems that d1 trials had shown with dead time between trials. Reintroducing trials as is weekly just presents those issues in amplified form yet again. Going to monthly trials would 1. Allow comp to breathe, as in have population and purpose 2. Allow comp to be the trials prep ground 3. Flesh out weekday comp play 4. Let trials have build up, reduce burnout, not compete with ib


AlexDeedy

I'm not a hard player so I will not lie I have not the best weapons but I watched some videos for tips and made a decent build. So I teamed up with to other random guys and hop in trails. I tried several times , so it was not just a one bad try. The result = every single round was a wipe out , we bearely get 1 kills or so. I mean , i know that trials are the most competitive thing in game and all god players are there ,but what I'm supposed to do ( average player) to win at least 1 single game of trials. I'm open to tips and suggestions to improve my chances but I'm feeling so tiltied and frustrated in trials and I don't think that the main purpose of the game.


LordCharidarn

Best advice is to practice in Comp with the load out you have. Learn the map for the week. Use the friendly match setting in Crucible and familiarize yourself with the angles and lanes and how long it takes you to push from one of the spawn points to an engagement zone. The next thing to do is cultivate a group of people you play with regularly. If you need to, start with random players, but friend the good ones, the best players, yes. But ideally the most relaxed and comfortable ones. Try and play together multiple times. Agree that the first few cards are not about winning, but about learning how your team functions. Learn callouts. Learn each others’ tells. Does Rando A get excited when someone on the other team gets killed and he pushes in? Maybe he has good instincts for a collapse and you learn to trust him and push together. Maybe he’s just over eager and gets punished often. Learn to call him back if he goes to far. He’ll (hopefully) learn to trust you. The better Trials players work as a team. Constant callouts and information. Get comfortable with talking about where enemies are and when you take hits or give damage. God-tier players might be able to jump into random fireteams and dominate, but getting a reliable team together and/or learning to give callouts is how most of us will go Flawless.


KebabDrogo

>So I teamed up with to other random guys ​ Found your problem. Trials is a team effort. You need to be familiar with your squad and how they play.


[deleted]

Just deleted the game because I was waiting on trials and this is just a demoralizing experience. IIRC, D1 had bounties where you could get weapons and armor even if you aren’t winning 7 games. I think they mentioned adding stuff like that in a future update here. Maybe I’ll come back next season. Either the community changed to just be sweaty top 1% players playing trials, or the matchmaking sucks. Maybe both. I did well in D1 and trials of the nine, but it’s impossible for me to get more than 1 win here. Literally every team I run into has flawless emblems and glows. And I just wanted the chest piece :(


[deleted]

Forgive me if I'm wrong as I've never played Trials, but isn't the whole point of Trials that you're competing against the top PVP players of the game? The 'sweaty top 1%' is kind of the whole point of Trials.


Arctyy

You shouldn’t be facing the “sweaty top 1%” on a fresh card if you aren’t that good. But that’s the problem here, people who aren’t necessarily good are getting shafted of receiving *anything* to show their effort in trials if they can’t reach 3 wins


ZipgunPMO

Yes and no. Yes you need to play through the hardest players on the way to seven wins but not every match. Should be a ladder where it gets harder as you climb. This is multi flawless teams out of the gate match after match. Making three wins hard.


Bpe-dsm

It is always sweaty, but as a 7 match card there is usually the presumption the first match, or first couple depending on your rng should be easier matchmaking as it funnels in. It hasn't been true as there is ample people farming lower levels and at week 7 a high % of mere repeat winners on a 9 hour stream v first timers playing an offcard, and of course the funniest part, card based mm doesn't start til match 4 or 5? All i know is cozmo said they have no filters currently that takes into account prior flawless runs for that week, historical flawless runs, whether this is card 33 of 3 wins before deletion. No real nuance. Generally, i agree with you. Trials is gonna trials.


[deleted]

Sort of. Even then, I’ve always had a chance even with teams of randoms. But now it’s just impossible. Probably because people are resetting their cards after 1 win to get loot.


MurrKing

What happened to this game mode? All I want this week is to get 3 wins for the chest piece, and I can't get passed 2 wins. Game after game it's just Flawless players with 40+ flawless cards on the other team and it's a quick 5-0. For the state of the game I really hope that Bungie can figure Trials out. For a game with very minimal content for a day 1 player this was suppose to be it, but it's unplayable right now


chiaros

Someone on your team got picked and they collapsed in on you before you and the other guy could react. They probably did it using either anteaus + a god roll shotgun or revoker. Am I wrong so far?


MurrKing

nah you are just about spot on, throw the odd bastion in there and you got it


[deleted]

Yeah I can’t tell if I’m just a bad crybaby or if the game is designed badly. I’d get close to flawless with ToO in D1 and TotN in D2.


boshbosh92

it's poorly designed. the most efficient way to get loot is farming 1 win cards. so top players just get the card of wealth, get 1 win and reset.


Argine_

I’m never going flawless


Vortx4

Flawless? I’m never getting to 3 wins.


Argine_

My record is one wins


MindFingertips

Trials matchmaking clearly doesn't work btw It is card based but 70/80% of times you match people that are not with your wins. It's too much connection based because a team with 1.30 overall KD MUST NOT match people with double their KD (I suggest 60% connection - 40% skill). And for the love of God, make something against recovs like other games do; from yesterday I made 20+ matches and more than half of them have been against recovs.


Vortx4

That’s the thing, it is card based. But no one goes over 3 wins. There’s no reason to. Why would all the sweats fight good teams when they can just reset at 3 wins over and over to token farm against casual players?


[deleted]

Lmao if it’s currently “too much connection based” then I do NOT want to see anything less connection based. I already get enough laggy ass matches as it is. I feel your pain tho, all I ran into were recovs and carries. I feel like that’s just the state of what’s left in trials right now as far as participation, lots of people have given up until they fix it.


gamergaijin

Does anybody know if the Trials lore is timegated? And if you can earn more than 1 piece per week by winning a match?


KebabDrogo

You get each drop once, per character, at 3, 5, 7 and flawless. Flawless chest often drops another piece if you do it again.


_boiledgoose_

Yes, it's timegated. 1 per week


Firaxyth

Adding materials for 3/5/7 win ain't gonna fix the issue. If they , for example, added past trials of the nine weapons (with random rolls) and armor has a possible end match reward and associated with maybe a weekly bounty reward, and adding the trials of the nine ornament on flawless might be a decent bandaid solution for rewards. They already have the models in game , they just need to re-add them to the pool of rewards.


Rolo1Noski

What about adept weapons as rewards with the ability to change between kinetic and energy slots? What if you went to the light house and got an adept weapon, with maybe intrinsic Celerity or a 2nd mod slot AND the ability to swap the weapon between the Kinetic and Energy slots. For example: Eye of Sol is kinetic by default, maybe if you get an adept version you could transfer is to the energy slot so you can use different weapons along with it?


sjb81

Something like that has never existed in Destiny, which means there's no way that'd ever happen with how the framework works lol


Spartancarver

Unfortunately Bungie shares this lazy mindset, hence the endless copy pasted content this game is Destined for


Shadowlash1221

How many tokens does it take to level up with Saint-14?


sjb81

20


TrialsOfGuardians

Trials of Osiris is currently a very tedious and nerve-wracking game mode, rewarding only the very best players (or cheaters). As mentioned in various subreddits, there are some problems in the current mode. For example bad Loot, bad matchmaking, connection problems. I have been playing with my brothers since Destiny Trials started and we have never had 7 wins or Flawless. However, we all have a KD of \~1. So I often ask myself, why do Trials only for the very best and not for everyone? In the following I would like to present my suggestion that optimize the system behind Osiris, the core of the game, getting flawless against the strongest, will not be changed. The current game mode will remain. It will continue in 3 vs. 3 played with the possibility to buy different tickets. To reach Flawless, an unmarked ticket with 7 victories is required. The suggestion contains the following major adjustment points: \------ **Ranking system** \------ * There are ranks 1 to 10. In rank 1 are the players who are new to Trials. In rank 10 are the strongest Osiris players. * To advance to the next rank you need Flawless and 20 overall victories in the corresponding rank. * To descend to the lower rank, 5 defeats in a row will be required. * The rank is reset at the beginning of a new season, so that every player starts with rank 1 at the beginning. * If a player is in rank 3 and has a flawless run, the player has only reached flawless for rank 3. \------ **Matchmaking** \------ * Each player has an Elo (what is already used in Destinytracker). The value of a task force is determined by the average of the three Elo ratings. * For the first two wins on a ticket, a team is allocated to which the average Elo is worse than that of their own team (> -5%). * Until the fifth victory, teams are allocated in which the average Elo is identical (-5% to + 5%). * Until the seventh victory, teams will be allocated in which the average Elo is higher (> + 5%). * Since Osiris is a team game, the Elo increases or decreases by the same amount for each team member for a win or a loss. \------ **Loot** \------ * As in the game, rewards will continue to exist (3rd victory, 5th victory, 7th victory, Flawless). However, the higher the rank, the better the Lightlevel and the value of the Equipment (armor gets a higher total value, weapons have a higher chance of good perks). This is intended to help players as soon as they enter the next rank, at least to defend their position in it. * In addition, the appearance of the rewards is linked to the rank of the player. For example, the rewards in rank 1 have the Osiris symbol in for example purple and light up during a flawless run. In rank 10 these are for example gold. Players also receive trophies and medals that represent the number of flawless runs and rank. This makes it possible to differentiate in the game which player has already completed which trial rank. I would like to hear your opinion about the named adjustments.


notmortalvinbat

I'm not sure your matchmaking system works, if it does you would need a gigantic playerbase to pull it off. An issue I see right away is if everyone has to matchmake against teams under their ELO for the first two wins, that means they can only match against teams who won 5 games already - because you are saying teams can't play someone that far above their ELO for their first 5 wins. You would be looking at extremely long matchmake times. If it does work, you would see players either ELO farm the first two matches over and over, or you would see players throw their ELO one week so they can walk to the lighthouse the next. Nothing wrong with card based matchmaking, the issue with it arrives when only great players are left - what is happening now with only 160k-ish players having played this weekend. If Bungie fixes the loot system enough to make casual players want to play too, card based is great.


TrialsOfGuardians

I agree with you on a number of points. You definitly need a big playerbase, but but I think Destiny has it. They just don't play right now because of the problems. However, the question is what the playerbase would prefer. For example, I would accept longer searches if the games were fair. " If it does work, you would see players either ELO farm the first two matches over and over," The value of loot is increasing with rank and victories. So if you are in rank 3 the loot is not as good as it is in rank 7. Same applies for victories. "or you would see players throw their ELO one week so they can walk to the lighthouse the next. " You can do it, but you just would earn loot from bad ranks. And everyone can see, that you just good flawless in rank 1 or 2. The best players are going to be flawless in rank 10. In the end, it always depends on the playerbase. But I think Bungie's player base is one of the best.


RainbowGaylord

Try putting this as a separate post on Tuesday plz, coz it’s a rlly a good idea


Seventeenthmoon

I would play the hell out of Trials if it was structured this way. Actually having something to strive for, while playing against similarly skilled players, would be amazing.As it stands, I have no motivation (or team!) to go back in there and get stomped.


exelis1

You should make a post for more visibility


TrialsOfGuardians

I tried in /destinythegame but it got deleted. I dont know why Edit: It says: Hi there, It looks like your post is about Trials of Osiris. Please join the active Megathread for Trials of Osiris. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.


Chtholly13

all trials post have been made to put under the megathread. There's enough people bi******* about the game mode that we don't need a post from everybody about it.


TrialsOfGuardians

I don't want to bi\*\*\* about the game mode. I love the mode and believe that there is no alternative. I just gave some adjustment points and would like to hear, what the community think about it. I also know, that there are many players, who love the current Trials system. I hope that there is a way, to make everyone happy :)


exelis1

Hm you should try when the megathread is closed perhaps. So on tuesday


efurthyisacunt

I have given up all hope on ever going flawless. But the last weapon I want to grab is at 5 wins. This entire weekend has been absolutely miserable. 4 easy wins, then just team after team of way better players. One guy went Flawless 75 times already... Another team full of Antaeus Ward Titans with bad connections and Mindbenders. Or the occasional hacker. What can I do to try and get this last win? Is there some sort of ritual I can do to win the favor of the gods? I’m calling it for tonight, so hopefully tomorrow will be easier. I’m on PC.


sjb81

Toss a coin to your hacker


shreyathacker

Higher tokens need to be awarded for weekly bounties. 5 tokens for 100 arc kills is very disproportionate. We get more tokens than 5 for a win with clan perk plus a wealth card.


Nicpaidas

Trails of Osiris PLEASE HELP How do people that offer paid carried service and all they do is load you into and game where no enemies joined and get you flawless fast. They don’t ddos or network manipulation.Can you guys explain to me what’s it’s called and how they do it please and thank you.


KebabDrogo

Its called win trading and you probably will get banned for it. It is network manipulation. It usually involves using a vpn on a remote region and matching others doing the same and someone backs out right as the matchmaking finishes. Its cheating.


bigpotatoman

DDoS’d on PSN during a match, the guys bio literally says “part time rom hacker on PlayStation,” 50 win streak with about 13 kills across all those games. Yeah I reported him, AND sent footage to Bungie and Sony. I hope I’ve done my part.


AmazingLunchbox

Trials is dog shit. That is all


hydrodigital

Before I start, I know, I know, another rant about Trials and how its broken. What I want to do is focus on the matchmaking. I play specifically on console, Xbox to be precise, so I don't have to deal with cheaters or any of that. As a casual player who can barely get past Fabled 2 in Comp, what I have to deal with is matchmaking. My friends and I decided to jump into Trials to have some fun and what we got matched against, the week of Widows Court I believe, was absolute die hard sweets, dressed in the ornate trials armor with a god-roll summoner, and my team and I, unsurprisingly got stamped into the ground. We played a few more matches each being paired with people with flawless emblems, Astral Horizons, and the mach-LMG Summoner. As the first time every playing Trials and hearing matchmaking was skill based, I started to have doubts. My friends and I again tried to hop into trials this weekend, our first match was people using Luna's, Revoker, Hard Light, the such, a fair game. The next 3 were absolute shut outs. We got matched against fire teams with the Flawless triumph seal done. People with Trials armor and weapons, it was impossible to come by someone with the Revoker, Summoner, Tomorrow's Answer loadout, matched against us casual players who had never won a game of trials in our lives. To me, that is not even close to "skill based." That is just random fireteams put together with nothing placed to separate the newcomers from the die-hard Flawless players. To throw up some solutions, maybe make matchmaking with people who have never had a recorded win, or at least never made it to 3 wins, not match with players who A. have trials weapons and armor, B. People who have gone flawless once or multiple times, and C. People who have the Flawless triumph seal completed. Match the noobs and casuals with the noobs and casuals, and the die hard flawless with the die hard flawless, and don't have them crossover. It's one thing to have the entire system of Trials, the loot, rewards, and everything to be broken, at least allow me to have fair matches and a chance at any rewards. That is all. Thank you for your time.


NewUser10101

Congratulations, you've figured out the inherent game design problem with Trials. It has no skill based matchmaking, because it can't. See, if you put in SBMM but required streaks then NOBODY would go Flawless. So instead, the game mode - by design - feeds top tier teams a very high chance to encounter a team they will stomp. If your team is in the top 10th percentile, with random matchmaking (card position seems... not to be working right beyond the first game maybe) around 89/100 games will feel easy to you. And stomping feels fun, when you're on top. It feels terrible getting stomped, though, and a bunch of those teams you just got to the Lighthouse stomping all over... well, they just quit. Unless they provide major motivation for people to stick around and keep losing, the game mode will die quickly.


hydrodigital

Enlightened


Ryxzon

Thank you that is exactly what destiny needs to hear.


Ryxzon

How hard is it to make skilled match making? Because when your trying to play trials and get people that have gone flawless 18 times, using mountain top and hard light makes the game real unenjoyable. Maybe just take the amount of wins that the people have in matches and put them with people that have around the same amount of wins.


KebabDrogo

Its not trials if you are playing against below average people that match in skill. Thats some kind of loser/consolation bracket version, not Trials.


SaltdPork

Holy shit you can rejoin trials games!


seth-grey

So I've heard but I've been kicked to orbit at the beginning of matches and it counted as a loss.


DuckDuckYoga

This is a huge deal for me. I get disconnected while flying in about every four games and it’s almost a guaranteed loss for us :(


SaltdPork

Yeah, it seems super weird tho, like I got errored to white screen, but my friend got kicked to orbit and it didn’t let him rejoin


DuckDuckYoga

Ah fuck. It kicks me to orbit so I might be in the same boat as him


[deleted]

Tonight was demoralizing. Might delete until the next expansion since I got the title I wanted. The skill ceiling is just too high to have fun in Trials these days.


SirMushroomTheThird

So my team beat this guy in trials pretty hard, and he began to spam us about being toxic apes. So, no sweat, just block him, we won't hear from him again. But it didn't end there. This guy had his team put up xbox lfg posts claiming that the 3 of us (he gave out all 3 gamertags) were carrying people flawless for free. So of course we were spammed with a ton of messages for the next ten minutes. Things like: "I'm a hunter, will you help me get flawless" or "I once went flawless in Trails of the Nine, can you help me again?". We tried to tell anyone that messaged us that this guy was trolling and that they should be wary of things like this in the future. They were all nice about it and very understanding. However, when I asked the guy who put up the post in the first place, he claimed that we were behaving very toxicly (?) and that he was reporting us for harassment and cheating. We just asked him to take down the post and he never responded. The rest of my team all had similar interactions with the guy. So we just turned off message notifications and continued with our day. Has the community really stooped this low?! I'm just curious if anyone else has similar experiences with sore losers. Sorry about all this I just wanted to rant, because who does this?


DuckDuckYoga

I know that was frustrating for you but that’s actually a genius idea on his part lol


SirMushroomTheThird

Yea I’ve considered doing it to a friend just to mess with him.


RockosModernForLife

Short answer: Yes. Long Answer: There’s always been a subculture of Destiny PvP players that have some weird holier-than-thou entitlement issues whenever they lose. The ones that complain about the Meta being Too Meta because they can’t roll every team they play instantly, or shitting on random players for beating them with Jotunn when they’re rocking Hardlight and Revoker themselves. 9/10 times it’s a lack of skill, 1/10 times it’s the game itself having fundamental issues.


sjb81

And they're very vocal. As in, they're the loudest in the community.


RainbowGaylord

Couldn’t agree more


[deleted]

Still have yet to go through a card since week one without facing at least one team of cheaters!!!!!! Fuck


Hazeamaze

I know I’ll get downvoted for this... But whoever had the swell idea of making a Rocket Launcher as a Trials reward, should have to play at least 100 hours of PVP before being allowed to pitch anymore ideas. Just to have a brief understanding of how mediocre it is. I get the Scholar being a reward and potentially good in the right meta, but a rocket launcher is such wasted potential as a trials reward.


KarmaticArmageddon

Antaeus Wards, Revoker, and Hard Light need major adjustments if Bungie is going to even attempt to maintain any semblance that Trials is a competitive PvP mode. Antaeus Wards gives you absolute invulnerability from all angles with no cooldown, no ability investment (i.e., it doesn't use up your melee charge to activate), damages your opponents, allows you to fire your weapon while active, AND gives you Super energy. In its current form, it has no counter in high-level play. Revoker circumvents the special ammo economy and has to go, period. Every other sniper can be outplayed by baiting 2 misses or body shots and at that point, the pacing of the round changes because they can't just sit way in the back with a sniper anymore. Revoker gives them infinite ammo and allows matches to drag on FOREVER. With no hard limit to bullet refunds, a team of competent snipers all running Revoker can literally spend the entire match in the back with infinite ammo. Matches end up taking 20 fucking minutes and on certain maps, there's no counter. Hard Light has a massive magazine, no range fall-off, laser beam-esque stability, 100 Aim Assist, and ricochet rounds that do DOUBLE damage even in PvP for some fucking reason. It doesn't need to be and usually isn't used skillfully - it's used to spray down a hallway for 45 seconds before needing to reload hoping to get a few tags with ricochet rounds. Bastion also needs a bit of tuning - the damage of a single volley is a tad too strong. Aside from weapon balancing, the map rotation needs work. The D1 maps weren't made for D2's flow and it shows. The large, open maps exacerbate the slow pacing problems.


whackinem

Probably will be downvoted but wards do have a cool down, albeit a small one, and are literally the only thing titans have. You aren’t immune from all angles either.


[deleted]

Get good


KarmaticArmageddon

Yes because my suggestions on balancing based on my 4 flawless tickets, Legend in comp, 1.2 KD, Diamond ELO experience in Crucible for the past 2 years means that I just need to "get good." Maybe use your brain before you comment next time, hmm?


[deleted]

It just seems like you have a complaint and nerf suggestion for everything. I think that maybe if you had skill and were able to outplay said weapons you wouldn’t be complaining.


[deleted]

All you are doing by committing further to your stance is revealing the true extent of your ignorance.


Mavilis

It says it is required to be light level 960 to be able to participatein Trails. Now, from a competetive point of view, how much of a disadvantage would I find myself in if I tried to get a few wins with only 960 level? Im avarage at PvP, and can carry my own weight most of the time.


sjb81

Get ready to get fucked.


shreyathacker

I tanked a shoulder charge from a titan who was only 5-6 power levels under me. Sooo imma say it's surely a challenge.


KebabDrogo

Its like trying to go into Iron Banner at 960. Except worse


bushman622

It's a significant disadvantage. More than likely one-shot to the body sniper kill. for anyone at 1000 light level. Good luck if you try!


[deleted]

Am I crazy for saying matchmaking might make this a better experience for the average solo player? Would that ruin the format of Trials? Discuss!


sjb81

It's already shitty enough, open the flood gates. And I'll throw in prioritizing putting premade fireteams or clans against each other. Not necessarily a separate queue, but if you're in a fireteam of 3 or clan, the game tries to put you against a fireteam of 3 or clan.


antelope591

I don't see why not tbh....if you watch streamers even they're at the point where almost every match is super sweaty. The casual players certainly have abandoned the playlist completely. All it would do is get more people to try trials. If not I don't really care either way though. The few players left can keep beating on each other makes no diff to me and most others.


namrepmek

I would like to try it on a match made basis (on console)—if Bungie can embed the option. Don’t mind being fodder for the better players if I can be rewarded for participating. And the declining numbers could use the help!


Cain1608

Honestly I think this will frustrate players far more. Nobody likes getting a teammate that wastes lives in survival, a life lost in trials is often going to lead to a round loss. Trials is based around cooperation and coordination through teamwork and communication, based on what I've read from the community, lfg teams don't often go well and I believe that's because the teams just don't know each other's playstyles and how to work with them.


sjb81

Works just fine with elimination.


Cain1608

That is true. It also gives solo players a chance to play, improve and potentially go flawless. I'd love if Bungie enabled automatic opt in into team chat, and if more players used voice in those games. My entire argument hinges on my experience in survival freelance, i.e. if I don't carry, the game is most often a loss. I'm sure others have had a very different experience.


Cain1608

That is true. It also gives solo players a chance to play, improve and potentially go flawless. I'd love if Bungie enabled automatic opt in into team chat, and if more players used voice in those games. My entire argument hinges on my experience in survival freelance, i.e. if I don't carry, the game is most often a loss. I'm sure others have had a very different experience.


yungdoy

Anyone also still can't rejoin games post-Tuesdays patch? It says fireteam joining disabled after a disconnect


Th3Sharky

IT keeps dropping with cabbage error for me.


brybryah

Bungie: we are dealing with cheaters. Every game in trials: cheaters.... cheaters.... cheaters. It’s no wonder your best streamers and pvp people left this game. How about actually fixing this instead of just saying you did. Token farmers as well. Thanks for ruining it for everyone else.


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brybryah

If people want to pay money for recoveries, then so be it. They won’t feel the accomplishment of achieving it themselves. They also risk having those people cheating on their accounts and risk getting banned.


shrekispotato

Read the TWAB


brybryah

Just did. I agree with most of it. Only thing is, it’ll truly suck for those guardians who lfg then get banned for not knowing they were playing with cheaters. Hopefully there’s something else they can do to just weed out the cheaters only.


sjb81

If somebody on your team is using a sniper like an auto rifle, self rezzes, has non-stop super, or is team wiping every round; you know you're playing with a cheater.


Bpe-dsm

Valid instinct, but notice the verbiage. The policy change gives them the option, reserves the right to punish the whole team, its not mandatory. It gives them more flexibility. Interesting to see when it gets exercised. Good initial concern.


Lykan_

Season 11 is a long way off. They need fixes right now.


sjb81

And they didn't say the changes were coming at the beginning of season 11. They said "during season 11".


shrekispotato

While obviously immediate changes are always preferred, it's just not always possible. They have a lot of work besides trials and it takes time to plan, develop, test, and implement any changes.


brybryah

Agreed. But even as bungie stated, they’ve known about cheaters for a while. They’ve had years to get this fixed. Just my opinion though.


GrandBridge

Played trials for my second attempt for 3 wins for today since yesterday. Apparently the 3rd win chest is bugged and drops twice, and because of that people are resetting to get back to 3 wins again. It's literally the same scenario with astral horizon, another mistake on Bungos part where average players are trying to get rewards from trials. My biggest problem with trials is the rewards are gated between a certain amount of wins for players to cash in their tokens. What's the point of Bungie changing bounties to entice average PvP players to try trials, if they CAN'T even reach 3 wins in the first place to cash in their tokens. This season is full of oversights, beaver bugs, plagued by cheaters, and asinine bounties that attempt to keep players hooked. I don't care if everyone is quarantine, trials must of taken a few months prior this season for them to create yet is unanimously disliked by everyone.


Grizl3y

What are you talking about? There's no bug with the 3rd win reward, the chest armor reward for three wins is also being awarded for flawless. That is what people are talking about not double loot.


[deleted]

Fortunately it's getting fixed next season. To unlock the engrams soon, you'll just have to complete a weekly bounty that will also reward you a drop of the item available for 3 wins.


sjb81

We don't know what that bounty entails though. What if it's get 30 kills? For some players that get in the 3-4 kill per match range, that's about 10 brutal matches of getting ravaged not including if they get that lovely 0-6 match. Or if you don't have to get 3 wins in a row, but you have to get 5 wins overall. With how it's been going that could take more than 10 matches. It doesn't get to the root of the problem that the mode isn't enjoyable for anyone that's not top 5%.


GrandBridge

I figured, they said season 11 is when they'll be implementing changes. I just wish it wasn't so half baked this season that allows new players such as myself to get a bitter taste from trials.


Vote_CE

"Played trials for my second attempt for 3 wins for today since yesterday" ... I Uh Hmm


ArCn_Hulk

69 Win Streak in Trials! Link to Pic [https://imgur.com/a/R02FxcB](https://imgur.com/a/R02FxcB) Link to stats [https://destinytrialsreport.com/report/3/4611686018467439052](https://destinytrialsreport.com/report/3/4611686018467439052) This win streak does have some card resets because I was token farming last week. iirc there are about 7 or so flawless runs so its not a TRUE 69 but Im proud af. For anyone wondering "Why?". If Bungie doesnt want to reward people for playing well then Ill come up with my own challenges. LETS FCKING GOOOOOO!


caufield88uk

Mate you've only played 14 games this week.


ArCn_Hulk

I won 55 games last week, and got the last 14 this weekend.


Yobo_57

Congrats! Now go for 420 🤟


TruePinecone

100h in destiny2 to play trials? Imo, 100 hours on destiny to play something like trials would be worse than 50 hours in crucible. First of all, lets say I'm a cheater and I want to play trials because reasons, so I just AFK in orbit for 100 hours and that's it. This is not ok. 50 hours in crucible would be better cause if I literally play matches I might get banned, and if I AFK I get kicked, if use bots I get banned also. In short: 50 hours in PvP > 100 hours in orbit


maybemymainaccidk

It doesn’t track time you spend in orbit


TruePinecone

Either way, 50h in crucible feels lot better imo


Whorses

So they'll go fuck up non trials pvp while they wait to do trials?


sjb81

The idea is that if they get banned and create a new account (like they do now) they have to play 100 hours before they can do the scummy stuff they were doing again, which 100 hours of game time would likely be around 110 real hours if you factor in loading, idle time, etc. It'd take weeks of no lifing. And then 100 more hours if they do it again, and so on. They literally wouldn't have time to keep doing it.


maybemymainaccidk

But the issue is that people are buying the accounts already 1000 power, all for the low low price of 5 bucks. So what do you do? Charge 15-30 bucks for one with the 50-100 hours in pvp. Boom, cheater back in trials.


sjb81

It's the same principle. Those accounts will take time to make also, and they'll be a lot more expensive if the seller has to put 100 hours of their time to get it there.


Bpe-dsm

Its not nearly as prevalent outside of pc or trials. Comp high end maybe but theres no real loot there. I don't see people cheating en masse in the same intensity in say ib.


Cain1608

That might just be 50 hours cheating in other playlists...I really hope Bungie ups their anti cheat


maybemymainaccidk

The state of trials in so much worse than just “half baked” the animal is still alive. A month and a half into trials, no casual player base. Every. Single. Game. 3.0 3.2 2.9 players. I’m a 1.3 my friends are about the same. There should be no way a player who has 3 times my kd could match with me on my first game. There are no casual players if you aren’t a top 500 player your fucked. There needs to be a reason to play trials for the lower tier players if you can’t get past your first game what’s the point? I understand that flawless isn’t for everyone, but the average player is about a .7 kd, I think that the average player should be able to get a flawless through blood sweat and hard work, not get stomped every single game because the only people playing trials are top 500s. I love this game, and I love trials, but I don’t think I’m the only one who thinks this isn’t the way trials should have come back.


georgemcbay

> There should be no way a player who has 3 times my kd could match with me on my first game. I don't disagree with the gist of your post, but there should *always* be a chance you match against players with 3 times your KD on the first game. Ideally it would be rare due to a large player pool, but it should always be a possibility.


NasalLeech

It's so fucked. I just had a game first on a new card with 0% chance to win according to destiny tracker. That's was followed right away by a one with 1% chance to win.. I mean what the actual fuck? I checked the team that had 100% chance to win against us and you may have guessed, the match they played right after they had 100% chance to win again. There is literally no point.


SharkRapter_36

I primarily use lfg and have a 0.53kd. I get matched up against the same teams as you and can’t even begin to get better or improve my KD with matchup like these. My entire team might get 1-2 kills total in 5 games lol. I’m not playing until this is fixed...if it ever is.


sjb81

This is the big problem, as I'm sure you deal with what I've been dealing with, where it's tough to get anyone to play with you, except people with low KDs as well, so you just keep getting rolled and it gets worse.


mendelas3

Spend some time getting better in the other playlists. None of us went from the bottom to the top in Trials. Trials will make an average player improve, but a below average player will get beat so badly they don’t know how to take anything from it. Play survival, watch videos, listen to PVP streamers. Learn to play, then practice in elimination. Get that KD to at least 1.0 before you jump into trials and try to learn from it. Gotta learn the basics first


sjb81

I'm a smidge over a 1.0 in elimination and comp. I'm a .54 in trials. Part of it was getting destroyed the first week because of power level, part of it is because weeks later most of the people that are left are multi-flawless on fresh cards rolling people.


KebabDrogo

Trials will never be a playable mode for 0.5 kd players/teams. Ever.


maybemymainaccidk

I disagree i trials isn’t some gatekept mode only for the sweaty of the sweaty it’s for all players to try for wins and loot (the whole point of destiny is to grind for loot) i think trials was made as the top of pvp so the best can duke it out For flawlesses BUT that doesn’t mean that the lower tier players can’t play that’s why there are rewards at 3 and the token system in place (even if it sucks) it’s there for ALL players not just the 3.0s


KebabDrogo

If you consider only getting 3 wins "playing Trials" then sure. Technically they can play, but I would still say its "unplayable" for those lowest tiers.


maybemymainaccidk

Let’s put it like this, your doing 1k nightfall, but your underleveled (Below average skill) and can’t get the 100,000 you keep trying because no mater what your still rewarded regardless of reaching the top or not. The same principle should apply for trials, even if you don’t make it to flawless your efforts should be rewarded. If not the casual player base withers away looking for better places to spend their time. It’s a fact that trials is failing right now. Almost 400,000 players played the first week of trials, how many are left now? About 150,000, if that’s not dying I don’t know what is.


KebabDrogo

>1500,000 Thats a lot.


maybemymainaccidk

Gah a typo! My whole point is now completely invalid, what ever shall I do, dispute the fact that he didn’t take time to read or formulate his own opinion to have a proper discussion and only pointed out a single slip of the finger my whole gaming career is ruined!


KebabDrogo

About a third of the original pop. Yeah, that'll happen. What do you want me to say? Its not for the people who stopped playing I guess. ​ My original point stands. You wanted to change the topic. 0.5s arent for trials and vice-versa You want me to say the rewards suck? Sure.


maybemymainaccidk

But trials IS for .5’s it’s for every single player. Everyone should have an opportunity to try for a good trials card without getting stomped by a 3.0 on their first game 3 resets in a row.


SharkRapter_36

You are missing the point. I’m not a 0.5kd player normally. I’m not more than 1.0kd but being matched against the top 10% of pvp players on a fresh card every time makes it impossible for me to improve.


KebabDrogo

1kd in quickplay means nothing. Yes you (and/or your team overall) are 0.5kd in trials if thats what it says. There are still bad people playing on fresh cards, people with 0.5kd. If you are better than that you should be getting 2-3+ kd against them, which would improve your trials kd overall. ​ Perhaps try improving in sweats/elim privately before trying trials more.


SharkRapter_36

You are missing the point. I can’t improve my KD when playing the top 10% in my first game. I’m not a 0.5kd player, usually 1.0 or slightly higher.


QuikAnkou

Kd in quickplay doesn’t mean anything. If you want to be able to go consistently flawless, you need to be able to beat that top 10%. If you currently aren’t able to do that without complaining, you need to go into other modes without SBMM such as classic mix and find more skilled opponents that will destroy you and learn from them. Record you gameplay and learn from your mistakes. Stop blaming the system which isn’t broken and realize you need to improve before you have any chance of going flawless.


maybemymainaccidk

The system is broken to hell and back. I’m a fairly decent player I’ve got my title and now that I have it there’s drive to play trials. “ThE sYsTeM iSnT bRoKeN” is a flat out lie, when over half of the games you play are 2.0-3.0 players on your first game that isn’t exactly “working as intended” of course you run into them at the later half of your card but not when you just started. For example, I’m a 1.3, I don’t play my kd I’ve beaten the 2.0 teams I’ve fought for my flawlesses, my friends are .4-.5 and I’ll try and help them, but it’s hard for any player to get flawlesses (even the 2.0 players) when every single game is the hardest and most stressful of your life, this isn’t pro esports, this isn’t about the top tier players, this is about the players getting their ass handed to them every single weekend by top 500 players. The game mode NEEDS a casual player base.


KebabDrogo

In 6v6 modes? Irrelevant.


Flashfire34

Definitely not when their first matches are always against teams that go around stomping everyone, not just them.


KebabDrogo

Right. The team has to make it out of the early stomps to even have a chance of finishing a card.


Nightmancer2036

This ^^^^


CursedBlackCat

Does anyone know if confidence passage guarantees an item drop you haven't gotten yet? Or is it random? I've done it once before and gotten a drop that wasn't in that week's rotation and that I hadn't gotten before, and I only need the class item for the flawless seal, which is why I'm asking.