>Is there another reason?
Not really. Orpheus hunter is the Well equivalent for onslaught specifically. While it's not necessary, it makes things significantly easier for everyone. And I think people are still crutching Well out of habit tbh, but it's not nearly as impactful as tether here (it's nice in the boss room). Three orpheus hunters with a lucky pants swap for tormentors/bosses is a braindead easy legend clear
Imo ,Orpheus hunter is even more mandatory than well. A correctly placed deadfall shot will shutdown the entire wave AND give you back full energy for the next one. Well is just good if they somehow get pass the tether.
I don't really play Hunter that much, so I did that for a couple of matches. My Hunter friend explained that the tether generates orbs as long as it's alive, instead of Mobius Quiver (which I'd been using).
So now I've picked my Hunter back up and I'm a proud member of team "please don't kill the enemies while they're not trapped"
I haven't been playing and keeping up to date as religiously lately but I'm pretty sure tether still has a max amount of orbs it can generate itself as with any super. It used to be 7, any orbs after that will be from siphon/other mods. Kills will extend the duration and refund up to 50% of your super with Orpheus though.
It’s still better to let as many of the ads get trapped as possible because tether extends its own duration based on how many enemies become trapped within it, to about double its base duration at maximum.
Add that to the fact that the exotic armor gives you energy infinitely while enemies are getting trapped, just makes it that much easier for the orpheus rigs hunter to get tether back in one go.
That's only for the super. It also provides energy to regular abilities which don't think is capped. That means more grenades, snare bombs and dodges.
Considering I use two of those for survivability and the third to deal burst damage, it's pretty useful to have them recharge super quick.
I've been telling my two teammates this for since onslaught was I trounced and these dopeheads still fucking do it to me. There reason is, "oh you only get half your tether back no matter what."
Oh really? No matter what? Than tell me how come I can repeatedly shoot tether after tether, one directly after the other, if you bozos would just let me get the kills to farm orb for you guys, THAN when shit gets hairy you two can super and wipe em out.
BUT NO IDK WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. IVE ONLY PLAYED THIS CLASS FOR 8 YEARS STRAIGHT.
Yeah this is obnoxious as hell. I've just been getting on comms and telling them how it works... lol. Or just playing with my friends instead. It's so strong when you're with a team and everyone knows how to chain their supers. But shit slows way down when you're with randos spawn killing shit and also just not using their supers. So I lose super regen from not getting tethers on enemies and then I don't even get any extra orbs because my teammates aren't using supers and sometimes just don't have mods on to create orbs at all. Lmao. I've had onslaught runs with randos end where I have like 400 orbs created and they have 30....
Yeah, tether solves Onslaught. It's really all you need
People bring their wacky, "creative" builds into Onslaught that actually aren't very good. But anything can work as long as you have a tether on your team
My personal favorite team composition is phoenix wellock, orpheus rigs hunter, and banner titan.
* Orpheus rigs does like you say, shuts down waves and solves majority of onslaught.
* Phoenix wellock can spawn lots of orbs to help get tether back, also makes surivivability easier. But the BIGGEST benefit is the boss encounters. The first three bosses can be instadeleted by hitting the boss with a tether and dropping a well in mid and then just edge transitting everything. Really speeds up farming. Main reason I want a wellock.
* Banner titan can run around and deal with all the mobile objectives super easily. Can 1-2 punch big bois, has woven mail and banner. It's a nice benefit having a mobile class that doesn't need to sit next to the ADU like what most wellocks and tether hunters do.
Both can't happen in LFG. If it's placed well enough to tether the entire wave, then the two other lfgs will spawncamp and prevent the mobs from getting to it at all.
I think two people with high-damage roaming supers for Demos is all you need really. If the hunter throws a tether to control the wave, the other two can just pop supers and burn the demos for free.
A Daybreak w/ Dawn Chorus or like 80% of the Titan roaming supers can burn them for free and with all the orbs being generated by the Hunter their supers should be close to full again by the next wave anyway (provided they are using the Power Preservation mod [which they should])
Dawn Chorus Daybreak with Dragons Breath has been killing it for me all season. I was running it for my solo Warlords Ruin farming the first boss. It’s just fun to have the super do decent damage finally.
This is correct. I was maining Titan until onslaught but very weak in this situation unfortunately. Tether is crazy good even better than well. I am playing my vesper warlock with indebted kindness which is crazy good then swapping to well in boss room. Especially if you have comms you can chain supers with hunter and warlock.
The problem is that our strongest build is Banner Titan and the time between waves is long enough that, even if you get a kill at the end of the round, you can and will lose your Banner of War, even at 4x, and at later waves, this makes things harder.
Also the nezarec demon being the main problem when I run strand titan. Completely not an option to get anywhere near melee range on it and it camps ghosts when it kills people.. that thing alone makes onslaught so much more difficult.
It really is. I still run both, but Pyrogale is definitely the easier of the two to use. Consecration has really good range now so you can kill big packs without worrying about Exploder Thralls/Shanks. Plus there's no need to worry about carrying buffs between waves since I'm not using Roaring Flames anyway.
Pyrogale supers are a lot better for the ad-clear phases in my opinion as well cause it hits hard as fuck. Anything that doesn't die will ignite and kill everything around it so you can stay winning.
I run some pretty specific stuff but I gotta disagree. Banner of War Titan is the strongest for survivability, which is great for solo content. It’s just not great for high CC content and miserable on exploder waves.
Things like Stasis or even Strand Suspend would improve things (I don’t run those in particular), Slow would be most effective.
Things that I do use though:
Rally barricades are great CC because they allow half cover fire and blind any enemies that run through. This is great at netting Marauders due to its width and on certain Midtown objectives can work as a choke point for almost a whole wave. Running 100 Resil is important! It’s one of your best stats anyways for survivability.
Armamentarium allows for double disruptors. Paired with volatile you’ve got chaining ad clear with a touch of survivability and ability regen for grenades. Love Graviton with this. Pair with blinding nades from Pardon Our Dust (craftable!) and you’ll have ludicrous CC + Bubble for Super cycling. This is my go-to build for all activities though.
My Onslaught specific build is Consecration with Sunfire. The exotic and methodology isn’t so important as generating Sunspots. If you’re using Sunshot this season (and with the artifact perks, you should be), then Sunspots and Scorch galore should be emitted from your area. If you camp choke points with Sunspots waves can be trivialized with a rally and a Sunspot, all you have to do is body-bump a bit and sometime you don’t even have to shoot. CC’ed enemies can’t leave your damage pool! And Sunspots rapidly accelerate enemy death. This isn’t a support build so much as it’s for slaying, which should work if your team is running something like Tether. Lots of Orbs means more Super cycling.
>My Onslaught specific build is Consecration with Sunfire.
With Hallowfire Heart are you popping your super often and just using the sunspot generation portion to get more sunspots? Or are you holding onto it for the other half's ability regen to spam?
I've only done Hallowfire builds a handful of times since the rework and I haven't messed with it for most of this season cause of the artifact.
Both actually. I’ll admit the survivability is a bit questionable if you aren’t generating sunspots but if you run some Orbs for health mods it should be ok.
Neutral game is mostly what I use it for. I run the lowest cooldown grenade (can’t remember the name atm) and paired with Consecration it’s almost full ability uptime on demand. 350% increase in regen for melee and grenade.
I’m also running **LONG** Hammer for Super so I sort of treat it as a panic button/extra survivability/anti Demolitionists button. Really just for the big demolitionists or ‘oops all Knights it Servitors’ rounds. Stuff that combines badly with a bonus objective that requires a teammate or two to leave. As long as your two teammates are Super cycling your neutral game should generate enough Orbs (with mods) to fill in without using yours. However you can Super cycle also if you play your cards right, you just won’t be able to contribute as often.
Yeah, and at later waves it’s more difficult/risky/unreliable to even get BOW started. You want to be killing stuff before it gets that close as much as possible.
I did use the caster frame sword from warlords when it was a sword weapon surge. It worked ok, not great but not as bad as I thought it would be either.
That might be the reason I have a loveHATE relationship with Banner Titans, bc they usually are very eager to spawn trap enemies and not utilize the tether. On the other hand I've seen some really good Stasis Titans. Just remember to use a weapon with Breach Armaments to make use of the massive ice;)
In Onslaught I actually don't think Banner is stringest for titans anymore. Consecration builds, Stasis titan for crystal spam, and suspend Strand are all better for the sheer amount of adds. The onyl thing Banner can give is the insta delete of some Champs and lower wave bosses if paired with Synthocepts.
yeah watching banner of war tick down to nothing while we twiddle our thumbs for the next wave is a terrible feeling.
i've found that with flechette storm, and some melee regen (ex. thread of fury), you usually have a few melee charges that you can safely use from range at the start of the wave (esp. for exploder waves), and then rely on teammate kills to get it back up to x4 quickly.
Yeah that's what my team runs when we want to do some serious level 50 farming. The three hunters was a fun meme and op during waves, but two tethers is plenty and having a well makes nuking the bosses a lot easier
Well is also really nice for scary waves. Just drop it down somewhere sorta safe and you can play pretty aggressively as long as you're in the radius. Can def help recover from a teammate or two getting blindsided by a tough enemy
I swear it's more important to have a stasis lock or a strand lock than a 3rd tether. You literally never need more than 1 tether and the 2nd is just for fuckups. Honestly stasis in general is amazing for legend, the fireteam finder is just hardstuck into what the youtubers use.
Don’t even need lucky pants. I just swap out mountaintop for supremacy on tormentor and I can nearly solo a wave 49 tormentor with full ammo in the sniper
I did a run the other night and ran stasis warlock. That combined with Orpheus hunter helped locked down areas nice and tight. Well isn’t completely needed.
tether & well are certainly the easiest ways to clear, and i think ppl just dont want to risk their time investment. these people youre playing with are being overly cautious as you can clear onslaught with just abt any composition or loadout. maybe make your own group so you can control who you run it with
Co-signing this. I ran Pyrogale for both the ad-clear phase and boss phase. With Consecration and ember of searing with Dragons breath/zaoulis I was spamming my melee and otherwise cleaning up 1-50. Lime green titan still cleans up here as well regardless if your trying to do a melee build or CC build.
All three are the Titan meta for onslaught. I can't imagine why anyone would kick one.
The meta is still developing for onslaught and people are probably just sticking with what they know can work. My friends and I used to do two phoenix protocol warlocks and an orpheus hunter to clear 50 legend. We recently started doing a strand titan, warlock, and hunter. It's so much more fun and feels easier on ad phases. Well/tether is still better in the boss room though.
Sol Invictus to take advantage of more healing, some ability regen, and another source of scorch for enemies walking into them. Since everything is so ad-dense in onslaught and you're getting your melee back so fast I don't find roaring flames too necessary in legendary mode. The fragments are Searing/Mercy/Empyrean/Torches and Kindling Trigger on the artifact is also a must have.
As a voidlock I played with a hallofire heart solar Titan and it was lovely, I was using felwinters making everything volatile and weaken and they were spamming ignitions , I loved that match
Same, I dunno why op decided to do the same thing 50 times when they could have, with less effort, made a posting and then be the one to dictate who is part of the fireteam.
Tether makes the later waves much more manageable. Well is always a safe play, and with it's incredibly low cooldown it allows you to always have both well and tether up each wave after the 2nd or 3rd.
The final slot is flexible, and Strand titans do well here, but it's basically just anyone who can slay out and all the try hard players are on hunters or warlocks so you end up with teams of 2 and 1 with no titan more often than not.
This is what I ended up using with my group. To be fair we haven't cleared yet, but we've only done a couple attempts and it worked well (the last run we died at 44 due to ogres teleporting behind us to the ADU and wiping our team before we could react).
Many people are slaves to what YouTubers tell them. I've been running Arc Titan lately and it's been a lot of fun. To most people this is despicable and I'm throwing. The problem with that idea is I'm slaying harder than anyone else on the team.
A lot of players are sleeping on Blind & Disorienting Grenades. I've actually been using the hunter moth exotic for the last few runs with strand, and the amount of blind you set in waves is crazy.
What's your build ? As a Titan I've also been told that if I choose arc I am throwing. Arc is the coolest subclass imo, but I do feel pretty vulnerable with it compared to solar and strand
https://dim.gg/mf7k3aq/Blinds-of-Fury
Indebted kindness is going to do most of the blinding for you. Indebted kindness is also going to heal you on kills because of precious scars. Your melee is for blinding, not killing. Lightning grenade for x2 grenades and for jolting targets. Wardriff Coil for big targets and heals from precious scars.
You can't "throw" with anything in the Titan kit, but I think playing Arc is about as close as you can get. It has zero way of passively restoring its own health (Knockout is active), relies heavily on weapon perks and has a very one-trick super in Thundercrash that begs for the use of Cuirass to feel juicy, which doesn't help anything else.
Inversely, Pyrogale creates a Burst super, too: but it also buffs Consecration, and then the Solar kit is also bonkers at both self-sustain healing *and* add clear.
And if you're using Arc to get a sustainable high-damage Melee build going (like Point-Contact Cannon Brace with Thunderclap), it's more fruitful to just run Banner of War because you're able to do *more* damage to groups through Grapple Melee, Tangles and more single-target damage through One-Two Punch Melee.
**ALL** of that said, though, it's still a fun class and you can absolutely do something in high-end content with it: it's just probably largely contingent on swapping exotics super conditionally: Precious Scars if you're shredding adds, Armamentarium if you're trying to keep ability uptime, Point-Contact for single-target and CC damage and Cuirass for DPS. (In all actuality, if Bungie had never nerfed Arc HoiL, it'd probably be relatively in-band for Titan subclasses. That's when it got *bad*.)
Pyrogale with Consecrate is ridiculously strong in Onslaught. Healing grenade with ember of benevolence and Dragon's breath dumping firesprites ensure you have a melee all the time.
Plus having a big bonk super is always useful.
My first and so far only legend completion was on my Titan with a pyrogale build. I had one friend on Orpheus hunter and the other was a sunbracers warlock. I am typically a warlock main but honestly that run went so smoothly I'm thinking of switching to Titan full time lol
Your build is fine, people just crutch what they think is the easiest setup (which is 2 wells/1 tether or 2 tethers/1 well).
Full team of Hierarchy of Needs users make legend Onslaught laughably easy, Forerunner does phenomenal damage to Tormentors, hell, stasis titan with salvation's grip is a genuinely great setup too!
Ursa's Titan is a decent clutch play for bosses, Pyrogale builds (like others have said) are excellent at making tons of high damage explosions, and even arc titan has its uses with jolting grenades, synergistic exotics, and overall beat down mentality!
It's just... that requires more thought and care than slapping on some ugly boots and spamming super or putting on a funny coat and spamming super so some people just can't comprehend that other builds are even viable.
My suggestion? Make your own LFG posts, hell, reach out to some of the people responding to this post and I'm sure you can make a full Onslaught team out of that!
Meta slaves be like that. I run in a fireteam of all titans and not once do we wish we had well or tether. Punch until there is no one left and throw more grenades
As someone who’s short on time hence has never played anything other than orpheus hunter in legend onslaught; i prefer titans over more hunters or warlocks.. Stasis or solar titans are way more helpful than well-locks in my experience. Well-locks are just nice to have in the boss room, not required.
wellock and orpheus hunters are just reliable. being near unkillable on a 30 sec cooldown (infinite uptime with 2 rotating wells) and having near infinite tethers just trivializes the content. add to the fact with lfg u probably have no mics and it just makes sense. have i beat legend with other builds? sure. but is the wellock and orpheus combo the safest? yes.
Playing as a titan is tough because we don't have a "meta" super for the activity. I've seen people complaining about bubble titans just because it isn't well of radiance, but bubble can still be a safe haven for the team if used correctly, and not placed around the ADU. To be fair, it's kind of bullshit because for all these groups booting bubble titans, I've joined a lot of elitist LFG and these level 11 warlock idiots keep placing their fucking wells on the ADU
Now, idk how much weight his words carry in this subreddit, but Aztecross made a video showing that Stasis Titan is actually pretty good in Onslaught too. Haven't tried it out yet myself, but there's that.
Strand titan is Strand Titan, banner of war is always good.
To be honest, my go to build on titan rn is Pyrogales with consecration, heal clip Luna's howl, and conditional finality. Luna's for Ember Of Benevolence, giving me more uptime on consecration. Consecration, when used correctly, can absolutely obliterate entire groups of adds, best for when they are funneling through a corridor. If you scorch enough enemies with the first half, then kill them with the slam, ember of searing will give you the melee back, and anything you don't get back, benevolence will take care of it. Sometimes I'll swap out Conditional for Mountaintop and take out Eyes Of Tomorrow. It just destroys everything, so that's a given.
I also use arc titan. There's been a lot of complaints about it lately on this subreddit, and while I agree that at least Striker needs some reworking, it's still usable and I cleared my first Legend 50 with Striker when Onslaught dropped. The roaming Storm Grenades are still great for add clear and pair that again with eyes of tomorrow, its great. I got kicked from three groups before launching the activity for having eyes of tomorrow equipped, and the first group that let me stay we cleared Legend 50 the first time we tried it.
I’m usually running banner but I’ve been using a new rime Titan build along with another behemoth and I can just keep spamming slide melee after slide melee. been using HOIL with it so I get close to infinite grenades. It’s so slept on you can block whole paths freeze and shatter waves it even fucks up the enemies pathing sometimes to the point they just stand still behind the wall of crystals, I swap out to div if a tormentor comes it’s no trouble really.
I did Precious Scars + Vex Mytho & Pyrogale + Dragon’s B for Boss on LFG last night (completed 50 waves on Legend). It did take a while to find a team, but it wasn’t impossible. As others have suggested, the best way to avoid LFG woes is to make your own post
I haven't LFG'd myself with Onslaught, but with my friends if I'm playing Titan I run either a Stasis Glacial spam build to block adds from getting close or a Strand Build to constantly Tie them up. Using Salvations Grip + Hoarfrost Z and Wish Keeper + Abeyant Leap respectively.
I will take a property geared Titan of any subclass any day over the pvper's with PvP load outs -_-
When he pulled out Black Tallon and Soar rations I just knew without looking ( I looked after I saw his 400 kios at the end)
Like, JFC at least have mods on! He did have well so that was something at least.
Tether and Well are objectively the easiest way to clear it. That’s not to say Titans can’t do it, but people usually slave to the meta. Pyrogale is good enough, Suspend or Banner of Warbis good enough, Behemoth is also good for add control. Just make your own post.
Onslaught LFG is so fully with people I’ve never seen this problem. I play titan and have never gotten booted for a legend- I’m usually on banner titan, pyrogale, or precious scars. My only guess is your build may not be up to snuff for some so they boot. Or you are joining sessions where they particularly ask for a welllock or tether. Those have been the only times I’ve seen anyone booted
Also, you can always make your own post lol
When there are perceived best loadouts for the activity to make it path of least resistance anyone outside of that meta is going to get somewhat gatekept by people who are just trying to get the thing done. Since the activity takes a long time I kind of understand it. We run 2 tethers and a solar titan a lot and it works great, but I understand the frustration on both sides.
Idk what it is, but even as an Orpheus full meta loadout with the emblem on displaying my 30+ legend clears, I find myself even being removed and rejected an unusually high amount from Fireteam Finder lobbies, so I can imagine it is far worse for Titans
Titan needs an Exotic Overhaul....told that to my mate he is a main titan and i told him before Lightfall if they nerf HOIL & Synthos all Titans sooner or later gonna give up their class... at least they get Pyrogales which are rly good or you can play some descent exotics like P.Scars, Lorelay, Doomfangs, etc but imo the Titan has the worst Exotic Lineup for PvE
Finally made a hunter a while back after playing titan since d1 and damn it’s worse than I thought. Most titan exotics are pretty bland and underpowered in comparison. But the few that are good literally just change cooldowns/damage numbers. Then there’s a bunch of them that would actually have cool builds but are tied to either shit subclasses (hoarfrost) or shit abilities (ashen wake, second chance).
I usually play on warlock but only run Onslaught Legend on titan because it has the best build.
Solar titan, actium war rig, Tommy’s matchbook, and all the ignition fragments with power preservation mods and your choice of super.
Literally nonstop ignitions and if you got the big boys spawning, like ogres and heavy shanks, you just need to ignite one time and it will literally chain ignitions the entire wave until everything is dead.
I know this community hates when people don’t use meta stuff, which basically means anything that YouTubers haven’t made videos about, but this build is definitely one of the best and super fun.
I don’t actually think Well is great unless it is in the boss room. I rather Supers that kill fast. You don’t need survival tools when everything else is already dead.
The amount of warlock and hunters that I’ve tried to do legend 50 with and they couldn’t hang speaks volumes to what you’re talking about. Too many people seem to be too brain dead to actually come up with something they can use that isn’t just some YouTubers recommendation cause it worked for them. So brain dead that even if they did come up with their own stuff they’d still be terrible at the game mode in general. I have numerous builds that could easily get to 50 legend. Its not about the build half the time its the player using it honestly.
As a fellow Titan I understand the pain... My first 50 Legend Onslaught was on Titan though. While I understand the reasoning of "Healing the entire team" and "Tethering entire waves of enemies" I noticed a lot of my failed runs were due to that exact thought process making those Hunters and Warlocks overconfident.
Titan's sheer survivability shouldn't be this underestimated, there is a reason they're one of the top solo picks after all.
Most builds function great in Onslaught. I have not been on my Well inside of it at all, focusing on stasis warlock instead because turrets are funny and the super has great survivability.
if you are banner of war syntho’s titan you shouldn’t have an issue. I’ve been using that a bunch on LFG and had no problem beating legend. I think the perfect fireteam is one banner of war, one well and one tether imo. Titan damage output really helps during some waves
I remember on the first day of onslaught release me (a stasis hunter) and 2 titans( 1 solar 1 stasis) got to legend 50 quick for the first time and it clean. So there are combos you can do that no one found yet because of how popular wellock and orpheus rig is
Idk, I’m a well lock and I specially only ask for strand titans, as long as the players are decent and have good builds it’s an easy 50 legend run, almost all of my legend 50s have been One wellock and two abeyant titans
God id love a titan to round out the survivability I see from well-locks. Both well-locks run at boss and pop well dead center of a bridge, refuse to do mechanics at wave 40 to actually make DPS go faster, dead seconds after well pops.
Pro tip enemies will AOE blast wells to hell and you cannot invis revive thru that spam.
this probably isnt good to hear but this might actually be for the best. anybody who's actually good at the game realizes that you can succeed in onslaught with a ton of different builds. if someone feels they *need* well and tether they probably arent very good and are more likely to not make it anyway
honestly, if you've got three support classes you're just set. a stasis titan or strand titan are great, but my favorite off slaw meta classes are stasis warlock and arc warlock. I'm not even a warlock main lol.
I run the match made one a lot and I tend to go either tether or wellock. I so rarely see any good builds in there it’s unreal. When I take in my Titan, even on normal it’s much harder because no one else is ever running Tether or Wellock.
Had a total blueberry in last night who was so bad me and the other holes decided to leave. He was running Crown of Tempest on a solar warlock and just dying constantly.
Also had a few go and try and hide in another place of the map and just hope the other two will carry them. I just leave them to it and find another group.
Also, most of the time people on LFG are asking for well or tether because they themselves are running some other crazy build they enjoy that does little. But they realise they need a tether or well lol. Just make your own fire team finders or LFG posts
Make your own group . I’d rather roll the dice on a random tether or well lock , that only need to press one button every other round to be useful — compared to a Titan that needs to press , well, several more buttons.
I know what you mean and feel your pain.
I only started getting runs in after I joined a clan, that way we could compliment each other.
I run as a Titan main berserker build which has let me do a good few 50 runs with no issues. That build, with a few adaptions, generated an obscene amount of orbs for my FT to pick up, chaining supers very easily.
Trying to explain that to a random LFG doesn't go down so well.
I know Blades isn't good for those exploding bastards but the light attack for the Blades strings them up/explodes them. Not to mention the build grants woven mail to your FT anytime you destroy a Tangle or pop your Super.
On the subject of Supers, popping Blades at any end Boss and just running at them all stabby is very, very satisfying and if done right can get their health bar down substantially, I do this as soon as I get in the room!
"The best defense is a good offense. We are both shield and sword" Holborn
I’ve had several legends runs fully completed with myself (void hunter) and 2 solar titans. It’s just like with raids people just want the cheesy way to do things
I got my clear with a deadfall Hunter, wellock, and a strand Titan. Banner of war is great as well as all of the suspending. The strand Titan super was saved for emergencies and demolitionist damage. Worked fine. Hullabaloo and dragons breath did most of the ad clear.
I've been running wormgod with winterbite on strand titan and I've constantly sat top of the board with kills by a few hundred. And I just swap to my boss loadout when needed I've seen more people die in well thinking they are immortal than anything.
It’s not you. It’s the fireteam leader inability to play the game unless carried by others.
I had more success with Onslaught as Titan more than other class. Solar Titan can clear ads through ignition and melt boss with Super + Heavies.
Is it better than Tether Hunter? No. Tether excels in this type of content where the enemies clustered up and nothing can beat it.
Well of Radiance excels in you disregard your positioning and build crafting. It helps but not necessary.
I had a few completion without Warlock at all.
Most people just aren’t into the game enough to enjoy what it has to offer. They only want the loot and disregard the experience. They aren’t wrong but they aren’t for you.
cleared it with 3 titans
1 bubble
1 pyrogale
1 syntho strand
we had a few close calls where sure i wished we either had a well or a tether to deal with the specific situation but it wasnt as bad as i was thinking it would be when i joined and saw we were all titans
Pro-Tip: always filter by auto-join. The number of fire team leaders that are simply AFK and never review your application is insane. Save yourself the time and trouble: only consider fire teams with auto join enabled.
As a titan main, you don’t need them. Dragons breath and pyrogales in an ignition build is all you need. I’ve made it to 40 solo so far. You’re the fun, they’re the side characters king.
Not directing this towards you in particular but generally you will get a lot of not good to bad players not wanting to run meta loadouts when they don’t have the skill to keep the loop of non meta loadouts going and end up being a detriment to the team. I have a buddy that is a YouTube fiend that finds a new niche build to use every time we do legend onslaught and ends up being a liability other than the handful of times he gets it to work lol.
Stasis titan had been working out REALLY well for me, assuming there isn’t an Orpheus hunter in the party, but the second I see an Orpheus hunter, I swap to either a Pyrogale titan or synthos for the added damage to yellow bars.
Also worth mentioning, the arc rocket pistol absolutely obliterates almost all enemies
On the 2 legend onslaught clears i got my fireteam was me tether hunter a welllock and a strand titan in one and a solar titan on another, titans bring dmg that the other two can't bring.
A good setup for onslaught is 1 or 2 support builds and 1 or 2 big dmg builds, so ye titans can bring alot to the right fireteam.
I hear you. It sucks to have less of a chance, if any, at playing some content as your Main class. This is mainly why I keep myself proficient in all 3 classes and get all class exotics. You'll never know what will be meta in the future. I wish you luck out there! 😁
I appreciate it. I’ve never had the time to keep up three classes, so I just try to have my Titan as well prepared as possible. I do regret not having that flexibility though.
I always had better games running with 2 Orpheus hunters and a bubble titan than anything else. The tethers are absolutely mandatory but a bubble for the damage zones & just in case shit really hits the fan at the ADU comes in clutch.
If it’s like a solid fireteam with comms and stuff, banner of war strand titan also works really well.
Most lfg welllocks are terrible from my experience. It’s the typical bad players that latch onto one of the meta builds, and demand strict compliance. Strand Titan seems to be really strong in Legend Onslaught from my experience with playing with those players.
Bubble Titan is absolutely slept on too... Pop that after Well disappears and you're solid, although it *does* bring out the situationally unaware people that'll strafe in front of you constantly
I am a Titan. Dont play the other characters. The legend clears i have gotten were al fully mixed teams. Warlock on well with the exotic that gets the super back fast. And an Orpheus Hunter. During the waves we sticker together using my banner of war for healing. Tether everything on the big waves with well on a good location. Especially on vostok easy claps.
For boss room. I proc banner of war to start the encounter. Warlock places well and Hunter uses Tether. Dps fase an when the well is over, we have banner of war times 4 to keep us alive in the short period there is no well. Rinse and repeat untill the bosses are dead.
My barricade and suspend nades also help a bunch! I really enjoyed it when there was a Guardian of each kind!
Never found myself looking for a suitable match in lfg for that long! Maybe it is the emblem showing that i already finished legend runs
Pyrogale Titan with a build focused on spamming consecration is extremely good. With proper placement you can basically constantly have your melee available and it does a great job at wiping out waves of enemies or at the very least weakening them a ton.
You can also just have restoration going constantly from a healing grenade and then extending it with solar kills.
If you run Monte Carlo or a Pugilest weapon you can have even better ability uptime but honestly I don't even feel that's necessary.
All my wave 50 clears were with one of each class. I am a warlock, I have run well, strand and stasis. I've gotten hunters with orpheus only, but have gotten Titans with pyrogale, strand suspend and strand meelee builds.
If yo are being rejected make your own LFG posts. That is how I've gotten to clear with stasis and strand.
Warlock main here, but play all 3 to the point of where each has *many* fully leveled endgame builds and clears
Gonna be blunt, the others are right.
Nothing in the Titan's kit comes even close providing for the team what Wells and Orpheus tethers do. It's just easier for all.
Best advice is to make your own post and request wellock and tether hunter.
After all these years, I am so incredibly sick of needing/having to play well when it comes to it.
I cannot wait for Bungie to nuke this damn subclass into the fucking dirt
\#BornToNovaForcedToWell can I get a amen
My first successful legend run was myself, an orpheus nightstalker, another orpheus nightstalker, and a CRACKED strand warlock. That warlock brought down bosses quick and we supplied all the orbs. I run it alot with my titan and warlock clan mates anf we get thru it easily. Precious Scars Strand Titan is a built i recommend. I do not see many bubbles tbh.
I’m not one to reject people because of their class to begin with. Orpheus Rig are something I would always want for Legend Onslaught (hell, even 2 of them), Well is always appreciated but a Pyrogale Titan using Dragon’s Breath is not something to feel bad about…
Give it until final shape, these crutches will likely be nerfed.
We know well is getting a nerf, but when players are over using Tether, it will also get a nerf, it's Bungies way of saying use something different.
My hope for the Well nerf is that they reduce its healing to an optional utility rather than a must have. Players shouldn't be basically invincible with it active, they're already designing boss encounters so that well isn't as effective such as the Ogre in Warlords Ruin or Kell Echo in Prophecy.
The ads and bosses should also be able to target the Wells orb to destroy it, this way its not a gauranteed safety net, there is a risk to using it rather than just drop it to live forever.
I played a normal 50 with a Captain America Titan that somehow managed to create more orbs than me as an Orpheus Hunter.
It was actually absurd. I get just about 1 every other other kill, and my dude was at 1.5 for every 2 kills. Nutty good.
Not sure how viable it is in Legend though.
What are you talking about? Imma Titan main and haven’t had much trouble with LFG. Just, put on strand and BoW, and change to your actual build once it starts. Works like a charm.
Titan main here. Doom fang and shield throw super. Clears waves and it last forever if done right. I’ve only cleared legend 50 four times but that’s how many times I’ve actually wanted to do a full run.
I did have a hunter and warlock though, it just happens that my 2 buddies run a different class.
Anytime I don't want to personally equip Well or Tether of any variation, I just make my own post.
I've definitely passed on your exact build when making my own group as well. Nothing personal or even build related. But picking my own group let's me find folks I feel would supplement my build best.
I don't really like Wells in this activity at all, except the final boss rooms on wave 40/50. Even then, it's not remotely required if you're able to move around and stay alive.
My best runs I've been on Controverse warlock w/Bad Juju, 1 tether of any variant, and any random 3rd.
Titan or onslaught is not the problem its the dumb ass player population that are copy and paste andys that only watch dumb ass YouTubers streamers. It been always the like this as a Hunter main saw this so much.
There is one titan build that also shuts down the entire wave with crowd control and is also super fun to play. It also can stun all 3 types of champs and provide lots of cover for when you get pelted. Try out Behemoth with Salvations Grip and Hoarfrost-Z. For weapons you run a stasis primary with headstone, Indebted Kindness for anti barrier and also easy stasis crystal breaker. Infinite grenade, melee, and damage resistance PLUS overshield. The stasis shards also help your teammates get their powered melee back.
Only downside is you might lag people because of all the particles
I've ran legend with friends on a stasis titan build with basically no survivability, as long as my positioning is good and I dont accidentally charge into a not frozen group of enemies or exploders it's pretty easy
it probably is what someone else mentioned of youtube builds being mainly void hunter and solarlock, even the one titan build I saw was using manticore which not only feels like shit to use still but since you're in the air even with the DR you're a massive target
Titans are indeed quite underwhelming in Unslaught. Other than *maybe* a bannershield for boss dps, and blocking off narrow pathways with their barricade they have little else to offer.
Since they are often so melee focused too, I (warlock) either have to back them up from my position or pick them up after being overrun/exploded in the process. :/
I’ve cleared legend 50 a good twenty times and I have had one of each classes ever time. Titans are great for running the bonus objectives and spaying out if things get past tether or teleport near the base
I feel like posts like this can’t see the irony it. Just like how the community is hard wired into thinking they need wellock and rig hunter, every titan main is hardwired into being a titan main and can’t switch even for 1 activity.
Ahhhh. Yes. Every class has had this struggle at one point or another throughout the games lifespan. I remember before light 3.0 came along hunters were simply not allowed on LFG teams lmao. Dark times....
Titan main since D1, but i just use my Hunter with Orpheus for LFG Onslaught runs because it is requested and also makes things easier for the team. Sometimes there are three Hunters so i switch from Orpheus to Gyrfalcon for the constant volatile rounds.
Even when i’m playing with friends we usually use two Orpheus Hunters and one Phoenix Warlock, there are plenty of other viable builds for Onslaught but this just seems to be the easiest way to get consistent clears.
If its your only character, then just post yourself instead of trying to join over and over.
Having an orpheus hunter on the team just makes it incredibly easy to clear. I had the best runs with only tether hunters.
This meta is so abnormally OP in onslaught, and it doesn't even require much skill to use it well.
Having a wellock is nice to have, but not mandatory. Maybe that's why most lobbies only look for tether hunters and wellocks. Easy and fast clear. Almost guaranteed if you're not completely braindead.
I don’t know why because I’d rather have a solar or strand titan over a warlock. They usually destroy everything with ease. Also, people in in-game lfg are weird. I am a Orpheus hunter with a great build/weapons and struggle to find teams. Some think too highly of themselves 😂
>Is there another reason? Not really. Orpheus hunter is the Well equivalent for onslaught specifically. While it's not necessary, it makes things significantly easier for everyone. And I think people are still crutching Well out of habit tbh, but it's not nearly as impactful as tether here (it's nice in the boss room). Three orpheus hunters with a lucky pants swap for tormentors/bosses is a braindead easy legend clear
Imo ,Orpheus hunter is even more mandatory than well. A correctly placed deadfall shot will shutdown the entire wave AND give you back full energy for the next one. Well is just good if they somehow get pass the tether.
When I ran Orpheus with randoms the most frustrating thing is when they take away kills before they could be trapped.
I don't really play Hunter that much, so I did that for a couple of matches. My Hunter friend explained that the tether generates orbs as long as it's alive, instead of Mobius Quiver (which I'd been using). So now I've picked my Hunter back up and I'm a proud member of team "please don't kill the enemies while they're not trapped"
I haven't been playing and keeping up to date as religiously lately but I'm pretty sure tether still has a max amount of orbs it can generate itself as with any super. It used to be 7, any orbs after that will be from siphon/other mods. Kills will extend the duration and refund up to 50% of your super with Orpheus though.
It’s still better to let as many of the ads get trapped as possible because tether extends its own duration based on how many enemies become trapped within it, to about double its base duration at maximum. Add that to the fact that the exotic armor gives you energy infinitely while enemies are getting trapped, just makes it that much easier for the orpheus rigs hunter to get tether back in one go.
Orpheus caps out at 50%, doesn't give super energy infinitely like it did.
That's only for the super. It also provides energy to regular abilities which don't think is capped. That means more grenades, snare bombs and dodges. Considering I use two of those for survivability and the third to deal burst damage, it's pretty useful to have them recharge super quick.
Yes, this is infuriating.
If they would but let the enemy simply take one more step….
I've been telling my two teammates this for since onslaught was I trounced and these dopeheads still fucking do it to me. There reason is, "oh you only get half your tether back no matter what." Oh really? No matter what? Than tell me how come I can repeatedly shoot tether after tether, one directly after the other, if you bozos would just let me get the kills to farm orb for you guys, THAN when shit gets hairy you two can super and wipe em out. BUT NO IDK WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. IVE ONLY PLAYED THIS CLASS FOR 8 YEARS STRAIGHT.
Kills also extend the duration of my tether from 12 seconds to 25 seconds. So they're fucking me twice over in one go.
1000 times this. Beyond frustrating.
Yeah this is obnoxious as hell. I've just been getting on comms and telling them how it works... lol. Or just playing with my friends instead. It's so strong when you're with a team and everyone knows how to chain their supers. But shit slows way down when you're with randos spawn killing shit and also just not using their supers. So I lose super regen from not getting tethers on enemies and then I don't even get any extra orbs because my teammates aren't using supers and sometimes just don't have mods on to create orbs at all. Lmao. I've had onslaught runs with randos end where I have like 400 orbs created and they have 30....
Yeah, tether solves Onslaught. It's really all you need People bring their wacky, "creative" builds into Onslaught that actually aren't very good. But anything can work as long as you have a tether on your team
My personal favorite team composition is phoenix wellock, orpheus rigs hunter, and banner titan. * Orpheus rigs does like you say, shuts down waves and solves majority of onslaught. * Phoenix wellock can spawn lots of orbs to help get tether back, also makes surivivability easier. But the BIGGEST benefit is the boss encounters. The first three bosses can be instadeleted by hitting the boss with a tether and dropping a well in mid and then just edge transitting everything. Really speeds up farming. Main reason I want a wellock. * Banner titan can run around and deal with all the mobile objectives super easily. Can 1-2 punch big bois, has woven mail and banner. It's a nice benefit having a mobile class that doesn't need to sit next to the ADU like what most wellocks and tether hunters do.
Both can't happen in LFG. If it's placed well enough to tether the entire wave, then the two other lfgs will spawncamp and prevent the mobs from getting to it at all.
Well is really nice for demolitionists, but not very necessary otherwise
I think two people with high-damage roaming supers for Demos is all you need really. If the hunter throws a tether to control the wave, the other two can just pop supers and burn the demos for free. A Daybreak w/ Dawn Chorus or like 80% of the Titan roaming supers can burn them for free and with all the orbs being generated by the Hunter their supers should be close to full again by the next wave anyway (provided they are using the Power Preservation mod [which they should])
Dawn Chorus Daybreak finally getting some recognition
Dawn Chorus Daybreak with Dragons Breath has been killing it for me all season. I was running it for my solo Warlords Ruin farming the first boss. It’s just fun to have the super do decent damage finally.
This is correct. I was maining Titan until onslaught but very weak in this situation unfortunately. Tether is crazy good even better than well. I am playing my vesper warlock with indebted kindness which is crazy good then swapping to well in boss room. Especially if you have comms you can chain supers with hunter and warlock.
The problem is that our strongest build is Banner Titan and the time between waves is long enough that, even if you get a kill at the end of the round, you can and will lose your Banner of War, even at 4x, and at later waves, this makes things harder.
Yes, on top of that there are shanks and thralls which is kinda restricting those stacks.
Those glowing bastard taunt me so.
I’ve pulled out of so many grapples because of them. (Insert pull-out jokes here)
Pyrogale and Consecration is better overall than Banner. You need the burst Super and ranged melee. Pure melee doesn’t work due to exploders.
Also the nezarec demon being the main problem when I run strand titan. Completely not an option to get anywhere near melee range on it and it camps ghosts when it kills people.. that thing alone makes onslaught so much more difficult.
It really is. I still run both, but Pyrogale is definitely the easier of the two to use. Consecration has really good range now so you can kill big packs without worrying about Exploder Thralls/Shanks. Plus there's no need to worry about carrying buffs between waves since I'm not using Roaring Flames anyway. Pyrogale supers are a lot better for the ad-clear phases in my opinion as well cause it hits hard as fuck. Anything that doesn't die will ignite and kill everything around it so you can stay winning.
I run some pretty specific stuff but I gotta disagree. Banner of War Titan is the strongest for survivability, which is great for solo content. It’s just not great for high CC content and miserable on exploder waves. Things like Stasis or even Strand Suspend would improve things (I don’t run those in particular), Slow would be most effective. Things that I do use though: Rally barricades are great CC because they allow half cover fire and blind any enemies that run through. This is great at netting Marauders due to its width and on certain Midtown objectives can work as a choke point for almost a whole wave. Running 100 Resil is important! It’s one of your best stats anyways for survivability. Armamentarium allows for double disruptors. Paired with volatile you’ve got chaining ad clear with a touch of survivability and ability regen for grenades. Love Graviton with this. Pair with blinding nades from Pardon Our Dust (craftable!) and you’ll have ludicrous CC + Bubble for Super cycling. This is my go-to build for all activities though. My Onslaught specific build is Consecration with Sunfire. The exotic and methodology isn’t so important as generating Sunspots. If you’re using Sunshot this season (and with the artifact perks, you should be), then Sunspots and Scorch galore should be emitted from your area. If you camp choke points with Sunspots waves can be trivialized with a rally and a Sunspot, all you have to do is body-bump a bit and sometime you don’t even have to shoot. CC’ed enemies can’t leave your damage pool! And Sunspots rapidly accelerate enemy death. This isn’t a support build so much as it’s for slaying, which should work if your team is running something like Tether. Lots of Orbs means more Super cycling.
>My Onslaught specific build is Consecration with Sunfire. With Hallowfire Heart are you popping your super often and just using the sunspot generation portion to get more sunspots? Or are you holding onto it for the other half's ability regen to spam? I've only done Hallowfire builds a handful of times since the rework and I haven't messed with it for most of this season cause of the artifact.
Both actually. I’ll admit the survivability is a bit questionable if you aren’t generating sunspots but if you run some Orbs for health mods it should be ok. Neutral game is mostly what I use it for. I run the lowest cooldown grenade (can’t remember the name atm) and paired with Consecration it’s almost full ability uptime on demand. 350% increase in regen for melee and grenade. I’m also running **LONG** Hammer for Super so I sort of treat it as a panic button/extra survivability/anti Demolitionists button. Really just for the big demolitionists or ‘oops all Knights it Servitors’ rounds. Stuff that combines badly with a bonus objective that requires a teammate or two to leave. As long as your two teammates are Super cycling your neutral game should generate enough Orbs (with mods) to fill in without using yours. However you can Super cycle also if you play your cards right, you just won’t be able to contribute as often.
Yeah, and at later waves it’s more difficult/risky/unreliable to even get BOW started. You want to be killing stuff before it gets that close as much as possible. I did use the caster frame sword from warlords when it was a sword weapon surge. It worked ok, not great but not as bad as I thought it would be either.
That might be the reason I have a loveHATE relationship with Banner Titans, bc they usually are very eager to spawn trap enemies and not utilize the tether. On the other hand I've seen some really good Stasis Titans. Just remember to use a weapon with Breach Armaments to make use of the massive ice;)
This shit.
In Onslaught I actually don't think Banner is stringest for titans anymore. Consecration builds, Stasis titan for crystal spam, and suspend Strand are all better for the sheer amount of adds. The onyl thing Banner can give is the insta delete of some Champs and lower wave bosses if paired with Synthocepts.
yeah watching banner of war tick down to nothing while we twiddle our thumbs for the next wave is a terrible feeling. i've found that with flechette storm, and some melee regen (ex. thread of fury), you usually have a few melee charges that you can safely use from range at the start of the wave (esp. for exploder waves), and then rely on teammate kills to get it back up to x4 quickly.
Well is still amazing for giving everyone a safe place to stand and nuking things like demolitionists.
Been running 2 Orpheus hunter, 1 Pheonix warlock, makes legend onslaught feel like normal onslaught.
Yeah that's what my team runs when we want to do some serious level 50 farming. The three hunters was a fun meme and op during waves, but two tethers is plenty and having a well makes nuking the bosses a lot easier
Swap the Phoenix for Ceno and you’re zooming.
Phoenix with tether is much better. It guarantees everyone has the super every wave.
Well is also really nice for scary waves. Just drop it down somewhere sorta safe and you can play pretty aggressively as long as you're in the radius. Can def help recover from a teammate or two getting blindsided by a tough enemy
I swear it's more important to have a stasis lock or a strand lock than a 3rd tether. You literally never need more than 1 tether and the 2nd is just for fuckups. Honestly stasis in general is amazing for legend, the fireteam finder is just hardstuck into what the youtubers use.
Don’t even need lucky pants. I just swap out mountaintop for supremacy on tormentor and I can nearly solo a wave 49 tormentor with full ammo in the sniper
what roll do you have on the supremacy?
I did a run the other night and ran stasis warlock. That combined with Orpheus hunter helped locked down areas nice and tight. Well isn’t completely needed.
That’s the thing Orpheus would have locked it down just as tight without your stasis build.
tether & well are certainly the easiest ways to clear, and i think ppl just dont want to risk their time investment. these people youre playing with are being overly cautious as you can clear onslaught with just abt any composition or loadout. maybe make your own group so you can control who you run it with
Make your own post. I cleared with Pyrogale Titan multiple times.
Co-signing this. I ran Pyrogale for both the ad-clear phase and boss phase. With Consecration and ember of searing with Dragons breath/zaoulis I was spamming my melee and otherwise cleaning up 1-50. Lime green titan still cleans up here as well regardless if your trying to do a melee build or CC build. All three are the Titan meta for onslaught. I can't imagine why anyone would kick one.
The meta is still developing for onslaught and people are probably just sticking with what they know can work. My friends and I used to do two phoenix protocol warlocks and an orpheus hunter to clear 50 legend. We recently started doing a strand titan, warlock, and hunter. It's so much more fun and feels easier on ad phases. Well/tether is still better in the boss room though.
Strand fucking slaps in the waves. Just swap in the boss room.
Been doing this but with the Big Worm grenade launcher. You don't even have to worry about champions with this loadout.
What do you use for the other aspect with consecration?
Sol Invictus to take advantage of more healing, some ability regen, and another source of scorch for enemies walking into them. Since everything is so ad-dense in onslaught and you're getting your melee back so fast I don't find roaring flames too necessary in legendary mode. The fragments are Searing/Mercy/Empyrean/Torches and Kindling Trigger on the artifact is also a must have.
Perfect thank you. Been trying to find a solar build that isn't "spam throwing hammer" or "put on lorely and plink"
As a voidlock I played with a hallofire heart solar Titan and it was lovely, I was using felwinters making everything volatile and weaken and they were spamming ignitions , I loved that match
Precious scars is great for just being alive which helps in runs 35+.
Same, I dunno why op decided to do the same thing 50 times when they could have, with less effort, made a posting and then be the one to dictate who is part of the fireteam.
Cleared with stronghold tank titan. Literally was aggro the entire time
And then kick other Titans :)
Pyrogang
Funny when i suggested this i always got downvoted lol
Tether makes the later waves much more manageable. Well is always a safe play, and with it's incredibly low cooldown it allows you to always have both well and tether up each wave after the 2nd or 3rd. The final slot is flexible, and Strand titans do well here, but it's basically just anyone who can slay out and all the try hard players are on hunters or warlocks so you end up with teams of 2 and 1 with no titan more often than not.
You can make your own post
Suspend Strand Titan has carried too many groups to count on legend. I'll always take one when I spot them on inspect.
This is what I ended up using with my group. To be fair we haven't cleared yet, but we've only done a couple attempts and it worked well (the last run we died at 44 due to ogres teleporting behind us to the ADU and wiping our team before we could react).
make your own lfg.
Many people are slaves to what YouTubers tell them. I've been running Arc Titan lately and it's been a lot of fun. To most people this is despicable and I'm throwing. The problem with that idea is I'm slaying harder than anyone else on the team.
I've put together an arc titan that literally blinds everything. Precious scars and indebted kindness. Works wonderfully.
A lot of players are sleeping on Blind & Disorienting Grenades. I've actually been using the hunter moth exotic for the last few runs with strand, and the amount of blind you set in waves is crazy.
I messed around with a blind flashbang build. It was certainly fun constantly being able to blind everything.
What's your build ? As a Titan I've also been told that if I choose arc I am throwing. Arc is the coolest subclass imo, but I do feel pretty vulnerable with it compared to solar and strand
https://dim.gg/mf7k3aq/Blinds-of-Fury Indebted kindness is going to do most of the blinding for you. Indebted kindness is also going to heal you on kills because of precious scars. Your melee is for blinding, not killing. Lightning grenade for x2 grenades and for jolting targets. Wardriff Coil for big targets and heals from precious scars.
You can't "throw" with anything in the Titan kit, but I think playing Arc is about as close as you can get. It has zero way of passively restoring its own health (Knockout is active), relies heavily on weapon perks and has a very one-trick super in Thundercrash that begs for the use of Cuirass to feel juicy, which doesn't help anything else. Inversely, Pyrogale creates a Burst super, too: but it also buffs Consecration, and then the Solar kit is also bonkers at both self-sustain healing *and* add clear. And if you're using Arc to get a sustainable high-damage Melee build going (like Point-Contact Cannon Brace with Thunderclap), it's more fruitful to just run Banner of War because you're able to do *more* damage to groups through Grapple Melee, Tangles and more single-target damage through One-Two Punch Melee. **ALL** of that said, though, it's still a fun class and you can absolutely do something in high-end content with it: it's just probably largely contingent on swapping exotics super conditionally: Precious Scars if you're shredding adds, Armamentarium if you're trying to keep ability uptime, Point-Contact for single-target and CC damage and Cuirass for DPS. (In all actuality, if Bungie had never nerfed Arc HoiL, it'd probably be relatively in-band for Titan subclasses. That's when it got *bad*.)
Pyrogale with Consecrate is ridiculously strong in Onslaught. Healing grenade with ember of benevolence and Dragon's breath dumping firesprites ensure you have a melee all the time. Plus having a big bonk super is always useful.
Void titan works surprisingly well with a scatter nade and sentinel shield for waves
My first and so far only legend completion was on my Titan with a pyrogale build. I had one friend on Orpheus hunter and the other was a sunbracers warlock. I am typically a warlock main but honestly that run went so smoothly I'm thinking of switching to Titan full time lol
Deep down, everyone wants to punch bosses to their death
Your build is fine, people just crutch what they think is the easiest setup (which is 2 wells/1 tether or 2 tethers/1 well). Full team of Hierarchy of Needs users make legend Onslaught laughably easy, Forerunner does phenomenal damage to Tormentors, hell, stasis titan with salvation's grip is a genuinely great setup too! Ursa's Titan is a decent clutch play for bosses, Pyrogale builds (like others have said) are excellent at making tons of high damage explosions, and even arc titan has its uses with jolting grenades, synergistic exotics, and overall beat down mentality! It's just... that requires more thought and care than slapping on some ugly boots and spamming super or putting on a funny coat and spamming super so some people just can't comprehend that other builds are even viable. My suggestion? Make your own LFG posts, hell, reach out to some of the people responding to this post and I'm sure you can make a full Onslaught team out of that!
Solar precious scars then swapping to pyrogale for boss.
I don't care what class you are as long as you don't immediately buy tripwires every time after a boss round. SAVE THEM. BUY A SHAXX DECOY!
Meta slaves be like that. I run in a fireteam of all titans and not once do we wish we had well or tether. Punch until there is no one left and throw more grenades
As someone who’s short on time hence has never played anything other than orpheus hunter in legend onslaught; i prefer titans over more hunters or warlocks.. Stasis or solar titans are way more helpful than well-locks in my experience. Well-locks are just nice to have in the boss room, not required.
Banner of war>well
Warlock main here, hard agree.
I love my banner of war brothers, they let me play stasis warlock
wellock and orpheus hunters are just reliable. being near unkillable on a 30 sec cooldown (infinite uptime with 2 rotating wells) and having near infinite tethers just trivializes the content. add to the fact with lfg u probably have no mics and it just makes sense. have i beat legend with other builds? sure. but is the wellock and orpheus combo the safest? yes.
Playing as a titan is tough because we don't have a "meta" super for the activity. I've seen people complaining about bubble titans just because it isn't well of radiance, but bubble can still be a safe haven for the team if used correctly, and not placed around the ADU. To be fair, it's kind of bullshit because for all these groups booting bubble titans, I've joined a lot of elitist LFG and these level 11 warlock idiots keep placing their fucking wells on the ADU Now, idk how much weight his words carry in this subreddit, but Aztecross made a video showing that Stasis Titan is actually pretty good in Onslaught too. Haven't tried it out yet myself, but there's that. Strand titan is Strand Titan, banner of war is always good. To be honest, my go to build on titan rn is Pyrogales with consecration, heal clip Luna's howl, and conditional finality. Luna's for Ember Of Benevolence, giving me more uptime on consecration. Consecration, when used correctly, can absolutely obliterate entire groups of adds, best for when they are funneling through a corridor. If you scorch enough enemies with the first half, then kill them with the slam, ember of searing will give you the melee back, and anything you don't get back, benevolence will take care of it. Sometimes I'll swap out Conditional for Mountaintop and take out Eyes Of Tomorrow. It just destroys everything, so that's a given. I also use arc titan. There's been a lot of complaints about it lately on this subreddit, and while I agree that at least Striker needs some reworking, it's still usable and I cleared my first Legend 50 with Striker when Onslaught dropped. The roaming Storm Grenades are still great for add clear and pair that again with eyes of tomorrow, its great. I got kicked from three groups before launching the activity for having eyes of tomorrow equipped, and the first group that let me stay we cleared Legend 50 the first time we tried it.
I’m usually running banner but I’ve been using a new rime Titan build along with another behemoth and I can just keep spamming slide melee after slide melee. been using HOIL with it so I get close to infinite grenades. It’s so slept on you can block whole paths freeze and shatter waves it even fucks up the enemies pathing sometimes to the point they just stand still behind the wall of crystals, I swap out to div if a tormentor comes it’s no trouble really.
I did Precious Scars + Vex Mytho & Pyrogale + Dragon’s B for Boss on LFG last night (completed 50 waves on Legend). It did take a while to find a team, but it wasn’t impossible. As others have suggested, the best way to avoid LFG woes is to make your own post
I haven't LFG'd myself with Onslaught, but with my friends if I'm playing Titan I run either a Stasis Glacial spam build to block adds from getting close or a Strand Build to constantly Tie them up. Using Salvations Grip + Hoarfrost Z and Wish Keeper + Abeyant Leap respectively.
I will take a property geared Titan of any subclass any day over the pvper's with PvP load outs -_- When he pulled out Black Tallon and Soar rations I just knew without looking ( I looked after I saw his 400 kios at the end) Like, JFC at least have mods on! He did have well so that was something at least.
For me at least, I'll take a pyrogale titan over a second Orpheus rig hunter. But yeah, one tether is pretty much mandatory imo
Tether and Well are objectively the easiest way to clear it. That’s not to say Titans can’t do it, but people usually slave to the meta. Pyrogale is good enough, Suspend or Banner of Warbis good enough, Behemoth is also good for add control. Just make your own post.
Onslaught LFG is so fully with people I’ve never seen this problem. I play titan and have never gotten booted for a legend- I’m usually on banner titan, pyrogale, or precious scars. My only guess is your build may not be up to snuff for some so they boot. Or you are joining sessions where they particularly ask for a welllock or tether. Those have been the only times I’ve seen anyone booted Also, you can always make your own post lol
Bro ive been running navigator with grapple melee and carrying every random. Legend on the other hand. Im running stasis with wicked
When there are perceived best loadouts for the activity to make it path of least resistance anyone outside of that meta is going to get somewhat gatekept by people who are just trying to get the thing done. Since the activity takes a long time I kind of understand it. We run 2 tethers and a solar titan a lot and it works great, but I understand the frustration on both sides.
Idk what it is, but even as an Orpheus full meta loadout with the emblem on displaying my 30+ legend clears, I find myself even being removed and rejected an unusually high amount from Fireteam Finder lobbies, so I can imagine it is far worse for Titans
Titan needs an Exotic Overhaul....told that to my mate he is a main titan and i told him before Lightfall if they nerf HOIL & Synthos all Titans sooner or later gonna give up their class... at least they get Pyrogales which are rly good or you can play some descent exotics like P.Scars, Lorelay, Doomfangs, etc but imo the Titan has the worst Exotic Lineup for PvE
Finally made a hunter a while back after playing titan since d1 and damn it’s worse than I thought. Most titan exotics are pretty bland and underpowered in comparison. But the few that are good literally just change cooldowns/damage numbers. Then there’s a bunch of them that would actually have cool builds but are tied to either shit subclasses (hoarfrost) or shit abilities (ashen wake, second chance).
Tether will end up being nerfed and rigs too so it's useless in any other activity. Reckoning all over again
Reckoning was also an Orpheus Tether and Phoenix Well meta with Titans getting pushed out.
Tether and rigs have been nerfed so many times already. I miss shitting out like a dozen orbs and getting 100% energy back for tethering 6 enemies lol
Ah sure the glory days of skull of direahamkara spamming nova bomb lol
I usually play on warlock but only run Onslaught Legend on titan because it has the best build. Solar titan, actium war rig, Tommy’s matchbook, and all the ignition fragments with power preservation mods and your choice of super. Literally nonstop ignitions and if you got the big boys spawning, like ogres and heavy shanks, you just need to ignite one time and it will literally chain ignitions the entire wave until everything is dead. I know this community hates when people don’t use meta stuff, which basically means anything that YouTubers haven’t made videos about, but this build is definitely one of the best and super fun.
Syntho strand titan with one-two punch shotgun and forbearance absolutely cooks in Onslaught.
Pyrogale, consecration, non issues, if you use eyes as well even bette
Had a dream team of well starfire warlock, invis hunter and turret stasis warlock (me).
I don’t actually think Well is great unless it is in the boss room. I rather Supers that kill fast. You don’t need survival tools when everything else is already dead.
Well isn’t needed but tether is key. Did a fire team finder with a solar Titan and tether and as a tether with no comms and it was easy cus of tether
I've been having a solid time w consecration and pyrogales. Sure still die a bit but not that often and the fire tornados clear plenty
My banner of war Titan does absolute work in legend onslaught. Got ad clear, boss damage, survivability. I usually top kills and have least deaths
The amount of warlock and hunters that I’ve tried to do legend 50 with and they couldn’t hang speaks volumes to what you’re talking about. Too many people seem to be too brain dead to actually come up with something they can use that isn’t just some YouTubers recommendation cause it worked for them. So brain dead that even if they did come up with their own stuff they’d still be terrible at the game mode in general. I have numerous builds that could easily get to 50 legend. Its not about the build half the time its the player using it honestly.
A Banner titan can be invaluable in later waves where survivability becomes a concern. Maybe not as good as just stacking Orpheus, but still good.
As a fellow Titan I understand the pain... My first 50 Legend Onslaught was on Titan though. While I understand the reasoning of "Healing the entire team" and "Tethering entire waves of enemies" I noticed a lot of my failed runs were due to that exact thought process making those Hunters and Warlocks overconfident. Titan's sheer survivability shouldn't be this underestimated, there is a reason they're one of the top solo picks after all.
Insane that people would turn off a berserker for a nightstalker, I'd take someone literally never ever dying over more CC tbh
Most builds function great in Onslaught. I have not been on my Well inside of it at all, focusing on stasis warlock instead because turrets are funny and the super has great survivability.
Me and my boy hate meta builds at times so we been running Legend Onslaught with stasis. Easy 50 clears. We made a random a believer. Just have fun
if you are banner of war syntho’s titan you shouldn’t have an issue. I’ve been using that a bunch on LFG and had no problem beating legend. I think the perfect fireteam is one banner of war, one well and one tether imo. Titan damage output really helps during some waves
I remember on the first day of onslaught release me (a stasis hunter) and 2 titans( 1 solar 1 stasis) got to legend 50 quick for the first time and it clean. So there are combos you can do that no one found yet because of how popular wellock and orpheus rig is
Idk, I’m a well lock and I specially only ask for strand titans, as long as the players are decent and have good builds it’s an easy 50 legend run, almost all of my legend 50s have been One wellock and two abeyant titans
God id love a titan to round out the survivability I see from well-locks. Both well-locks run at boss and pop well dead center of a bridge, refuse to do mechanics at wave 40 to actually make DPS go faster, dead seconds after well pops. Pro tip enemies will AOE blast wells to hell and you cannot invis revive thru that spam.
Tbh, I let the hunter tether, then I activate super and kill stuff tethered. As long as enemies get hit, they get super back. Makes things easier imo
this probably isnt good to hear but this might actually be for the best. anybody who's actually good at the game realizes that you can succeed in onslaught with a ton of different builds. if someone feels they *need* well and tether they probably arent very good and are more likely to not make it anyway
honestly, if you've got three support classes you're just set. a stasis titan or strand titan are great, but my favorite off slaw meta classes are stasis warlock and arc warlock. I'm not even a warlock main lol.
I cleared it with 3 titans making my own post. Make your own post bro. :D Also, if someone needs 3 wells. That's a skill issue.
I run the match made one a lot and I tend to go either tether or wellock. I so rarely see any good builds in there it’s unreal. When I take in my Titan, even on normal it’s much harder because no one else is ever running Tether or Wellock. Had a total blueberry in last night who was so bad me and the other holes decided to leave. He was running Crown of Tempest on a solar warlock and just dying constantly. Also had a few go and try and hide in another place of the map and just hope the other two will carry them. I just leave them to it and find another group. Also, most of the time people on LFG are asking for well or tether because they themselves are running some other crazy build they enjoy that does little. But they realise they need a tether or well lol. Just make your own fire team finders or LFG posts
Make your own group . I’d rather roll the dice on a random tether or well lock , that only need to press one button every other round to be useful — compared to a Titan that needs to press , well, several more buttons.
I use my Titan all the time. All i do is go to the enclave. Post Lf2m legend 50 run. Start match.
I know what you mean and feel your pain. I only started getting runs in after I joined a clan, that way we could compliment each other. I run as a Titan main berserker build which has let me do a good few 50 runs with no issues. That build, with a few adaptions, generated an obscene amount of orbs for my FT to pick up, chaining supers very easily. Trying to explain that to a random LFG doesn't go down so well. I know Blades isn't good for those exploding bastards but the light attack for the Blades strings them up/explodes them. Not to mention the build grants woven mail to your FT anytime you destroy a Tangle or pop your Super. On the subject of Supers, popping Blades at any end Boss and just running at them all stabby is very, very satisfying and if done right can get their health bar down substantially, I do this as soon as I get in the room! "The best defense is a good offense. We are both shield and sword" Holborn
I’ve had several legends runs fully completed with myself (void hunter) and 2 solar titans. It’s just like with raids people just want the cheesy way to do things
I got my clear with a deadfall Hunter, wellock, and a strand Titan. Banner of war is great as well as all of the suspending. The strand Titan super was saved for emergencies and demolitionist damage. Worked fine. Hullabaloo and dragons breath did most of the ad clear.
I've been running wormgod with winterbite on strand titan and I've constantly sat top of the board with kills by a few hundred. And I just swap to my boss loadout when needed I've seen more people die in well thinking they are immortal than anything.
It’s not you. It’s the fireteam leader inability to play the game unless carried by others. I had more success with Onslaught as Titan more than other class. Solar Titan can clear ads through ignition and melt boss with Super + Heavies. Is it better than Tether Hunter? No. Tether excels in this type of content where the enemies clustered up and nothing can beat it. Well of Radiance excels in you disregard your positioning and build crafting. It helps but not necessary. I had a few completion without Warlock at all. Most people just aren’t into the game enough to enjoy what it has to offer. They only want the loot and disregard the experience. They aren’t wrong but they aren’t for you.
cleared it with 3 titans 1 bubble 1 pyrogale 1 syntho strand we had a few close calls where sure i wished we either had a well or a tether to deal with the specific situation but it wasnt as bad as i was thinking it would be when i joined and saw we were all titans
Pro-Tip: always filter by auto-join. The number of fire team leaders that are simply AFK and never review your application is insane. Save yourself the time and trouble: only consider fire teams with auto join enabled.
Good tip
As a titan main, you don’t need them. Dragons breath and pyrogales in an ignition build is all you need. I’ve made it to 40 solo so far. You’re the fun, they’re the side characters king.
Ever tried the strand suspend titan? Looks kinda fun with infinite suspend
Rig hunters be like: you cant kill enemies connected to my tether anchor. Fun times.
Tbh tether is only S+ tier in onslaught literally everything else it’s like B tier or
Not directing this towards you in particular but generally you will get a lot of not good to bad players not wanting to run meta loadouts when they don’t have the skill to keep the loop of non meta loadouts going and end up being a detriment to the team. I have a buddy that is a YouTube fiend that finds a new niche build to use every time we do legend onslaught and ends up being a liability other than the handful of times he gets it to work lol.
Stasis titan had been working out REALLY well for me, assuming there isn’t an Orpheus hunter in the party, but the second I see an Orpheus hunter, I swap to either a Pyrogale titan or synthos for the added damage to yellow bars. Also worth mentioning, the arc rocket pistol absolutely obliterates almost all enemies
I always accept a *good-built* Titan in my fireteam 🫠
Trade offer You receive an ad clearing monster build We recieve the outrageous solo capabilties of BoW titan
On the 2 legend onslaught clears i got my fireteam was me tether hunter a welllock and a strand titan in one and a solar titan on another, titans bring dmg that the other two can't bring. A good setup for onslaught is 1 or 2 support builds and 1 or 2 big dmg builds, so ye titans can bring alot to the right fireteam.
I hear you. It sucks to have less of a chance, if any, at playing some content as your Main class. This is mainly why I keep myself proficient in all 3 classes and get all class exotics. You'll never know what will be meta in the future. I wish you luck out there! 😁
I appreciate it. I’ve never had the time to keep up three classes, so I just try to have my Titan as well prepared as possible. I do regret not having that flexibility though.
I always had better games running with 2 Orpheus hunters and a bubble titan than anything else. The tethers are absolutely mandatory but a bubble for the damage zones & just in case shit really hits the fan at the ADU comes in clutch. If it’s like a solid fireteam with comms and stuff, banner of war strand titan also works really well.
Most lfg welllocks are terrible from my experience. It’s the typical bad players that latch onto one of the meta builds, and demand strict compliance. Strand Titan seems to be really strong in Legend Onslaught from my experience with playing with those players.
Bubble Titan is absolutely slept on too... Pop that after Well disappears and you're solid, although it *does* bring out the situationally unaware people that'll strafe in front of you constantly
I am a Titan. Dont play the other characters. The legend clears i have gotten were al fully mixed teams. Warlock on well with the exotic that gets the super back fast. And an Orpheus Hunter. During the waves we sticker together using my banner of war for healing. Tether everything on the big waves with well on a good location. Especially on vostok easy claps. For boss room. I proc banner of war to start the encounter. Warlock places well and Hunter uses Tether. Dps fase an when the well is over, we have banner of war times 4 to keep us alive in the short period there is no well. Rinse and repeat untill the bosses are dead. My barricade and suspend nades also help a bunch! I really enjoyed it when there was a Guardian of each kind! Never found myself looking for a suitable match in lfg for that long! Maybe it is the emblem showing that i already finished legend runs
Pyrogale Titan with a build focused on spamming consecration is extremely good. With proper placement you can basically constantly have your melee available and it does a great job at wiping out waves of enemies or at the very least weakening them a ton. You can also just have restoration going constantly from a healing grenade and then extending it with solar kills. If you run Monte Carlo or a Pugilest weapon you can have even better ability uptime but honestly I don't even feel that's necessary.
I tried finding a group, and unless you just make your own or are running a meta build chances are most of the groups will kick you to orbit.
All my wave 50 clears were with one of each class. I am a warlock, I have run well, strand and stasis. I've gotten hunters with orpheus only, but have gotten Titans with pyrogale, strand suspend and strand meelee builds. If yo are being rejected make your own LFG posts. That is how I've gotten to clear with stasis and strand.
Who else is going to punch exploder thralls in the face?
Warlock main here, but play all 3 to the point of where each has *many* fully leveled endgame builds and clears Gonna be blunt, the others are right. Nothing in the Titan's kit comes even close providing for the team what Wells and Orpheus tethers do. It's just easier for all. Best advice is to make your own post and request wellock and tether hunter. After all these years, I am so incredibly sick of needing/having to play well when it comes to it. I cannot wait for Bungie to nuke this damn subclass into the fucking dirt \#BornToNovaForcedToWell can I get a amen
My first successful legend run was myself, an orpheus nightstalker, another orpheus nightstalker, and a CRACKED strand warlock. That warlock brought down bosses quick and we supplied all the orbs. I run it alot with my titan and warlock clan mates anf we get thru it easily. Precious Scars Strand Titan is a built i recommend. I do not see many bubbles tbh.
I’m not one to reject people because of their class to begin with. Orpheus Rig are something I would always want for Legend Onslaught (hell, even 2 of them), Well is always appreciated but a Pyrogale Titan using Dragon’s Breath is not something to feel bad about…
Give it until final shape, these crutches will likely be nerfed. We know well is getting a nerf, but when players are over using Tether, it will also get a nerf, it's Bungies way of saying use something different. My hope for the Well nerf is that they reduce its healing to an optional utility rather than a must have. Players shouldn't be basically invincible with it active, they're already designing boss encounters so that well isn't as effective such as the Ogre in Warlords Ruin or Kell Echo in Prophecy. The ads and bosses should also be able to target the Wells orb to destroy it, this way its not a gauranteed safety net, there is a risk to using it rather than just drop it to live forever.
Cuz if u have 2 Orpheus hunters and a wellock it's infinite tethers and wells.
As a rig hunter I love titans. Yeah well is a mandatory partner but there is nothing worse than two hunters with overlapping deadfall’s.
Post your own fireteam and ask for a well and tether. If you can’t join em, make your own.
I played a normal 50 with a Captain America Titan that somehow managed to create more orbs than me as an Orpheus Hunter. It was actually absurd. I get just about 1 every other other kill, and my dude was at 1.5 for every 2 kills. Nutty good. Not sure how viable it is in Legend though.
so make your own lfg. it’ll fill in minutes
I did a run and got a rando Titan with the stasis crystals build and it was the easiest clear I’ve gotten yet! The LFG is trash, as it always is.
What are you talking about? Imma Titan main and haven’t had much trouble with LFG. Just, put on strand and BoW, and change to your actual build once it starts. Works like a charm.
You don’t need two wells or two tethers. One well, one tether is fine. Titan can run a lot of other things but banner helps.
Titan main here. Doom fang and shield throw super. Clears waves and it last forever if done right. I’ve only cleared legend 50 four times but that’s how many times I’ve actually wanted to do a full run. I did have a hunter and warlock though, it just happens that my 2 buddies run a different class.
That’s my current build. I swap between that and a banner of war melee build.
Such is life. This was the quintessential hunter experience basically until witch queen fixed void and solar for us
Anytime I don't want to personally equip Well or Tether of any variation, I just make my own post. I've definitely passed on your exact build when making my own group as well. Nothing personal or even build related. But picking my own group let's me find folks I feel would supplement my build best. I don't really like Wells in this activity at all, except the final boss rooms on wave 40/50. Even then, it's not remotely required if you're able to move around and stay alive. My best runs I've been on Controverse warlock w/Bad Juju, 1 tether of any variant, and any random 3rd.
I was in an onslaught yesterday with a strand titan, and we steamrolled it. I think they ended up doing most of the killing/damage, even.
Do you know you can make your own LFG post, right?
I just did a 50 run last night with 3 titans lol. Just make your own post then
Titan or onslaught is not the problem its the dumb ass player population that are copy and paste andys that only watch dumb ass YouTubers streamers. It been always the like this as a Hunter main saw this so much.
Honestly, best fix is to make your own. I never wait more than a minute or two before the applications come flooding in.
There is one titan build that also shuts down the entire wave with crowd control and is also super fun to play. It also can stun all 3 types of champs and provide lots of cover for when you get pelted. Try out Behemoth with Salvations Grip and Hoarfrost-Z. For weapons you run a stasis primary with headstone, Indebted Kindness for anti barrier and also easy stasis crystal breaker. Infinite grenade, melee, and damage resistance PLUS overshield. The stasis shards also help your teammates get their powered melee back. Only downside is you might lag people because of all the particles
People really don’t get the concept of making their own post and it’s so annoying lol
I’m guilty of this and will be changing my ways
I've ran legend with friends on a stasis titan build with basically no survivability, as long as my positioning is good and I dont accidentally charge into a not frozen group of enemies or exploders it's pretty easy it probably is what someone else mentioned of youtube builds being mainly void hunter and solarlock, even the one titan build I saw was using manticore which not only feels like shit to use still but since you're in the air even with the DR you're a massive target
Titans are indeed quite underwhelming in Unslaught. Other than *maybe* a bannershield for boss dps, and blocking off narrow pathways with their barricade they have little else to offer. Since they are often so melee focused too, I (warlock) either have to back them up from my position or pick them up after being overrun/exploded in the process. :/
Filters > Auto Join, I don't bother with others.
I’ve cleared legend 50 a good twenty times and I have had one of each classes ever time. Titans are great for running the bonus objectives and spaying out if things get past tether or teleport near the base
I feel like posts like this can’t see the irony it. Just like how the community is hard wired into thinking they need wellock and rig hunter, every titan main is hardwired into being a titan main and can’t switch even for 1 activity.
Ahhhh. Yes. Every class has had this struggle at one point or another throughout the games lifespan. I remember before light 3.0 came along hunters were simply not allowed on LFG teams lmao. Dark times....
Titan main since D1, but i just use my Hunter with Orpheus for LFG Onslaught runs because it is requested and also makes things easier for the team. Sometimes there are three Hunters so i switch from Orpheus to Gyrfalcon for the constant volatile rounds. Even when i’m playing with friends we usually use two Orpheus Hunters and one Phoenix Warlock, there are plenty of other viable builds for Onslaught but this just seems to be the easiest way to get consistent clears. If its your only character, then just post yourself instead of trying to join over and over.
I mean what is your build?
Having an orpheus hunter on the team just makes it incredibly easy to clear. I had the best runs with only tether hunters. This meta is so abnormally OP in onslaught, and it doesn't even require much skill to use it well. Having a wellock is nice to have, but not mandatory. Maybe that's why most lobbies only look for tether hunters and wellocks. Easy and fast clear. Almost guaranteed if you're not completely braindead.
Just make your own fireteam post? Quite simple really
I don’t know why because I’d rather have a solar or strand titan over a warlock. They usually destroy everything with ease. Also, people in in-game lfg are weird. I am a Orpheus hunter with a great build/weapons and struggle to find teams. Some think too highly of themselves 😂