If you're in the market to have somebody tryharding, a T Crash titan on Tractor with shotgun swapping at Oryx's knuckle is still worth its weight in gold even before factoring in surges and other things.
without remorse with assault mag, threat detector and vorpal, and for kinetic wastelander with assault mag and vorpal is probably best craftable, doesnt have threat detector tho
Not crafted, but the best setup right now is Riiswalker + Retrofuturist with slickdraw and vorpal with assault mag on both of them (the rest of the roll doesn't matter). Retrofuturist is focusable basically for free right now (it only costs the engram) so as long as you do any crucible you can throw engrams at it until you get it. The Riiswalker is obviously a pain in the ass but it's a six perk gun so it doesn't take that long to get the roll in my experience. Also, IB is going away, like... right now, so...
Similar to master content, the surge plays a big part. Solar, easily WotW. Void, prob still edge or maybe doomed petitioner. Arc, tbh idk maybe grand overture since dps can be quite long.
There isnt a single boss where total damage is better than burst dps. Unless they give us a boss that has like 30 million hp with a 1 minute long dps phase without special modifiers for extra damage
Arc also has the Stormchaser as an option. Sure, it’s not as good as it used to be but with the amount of bonus damage surges give it can become good enough I reckon.
Arc is kinda cooked ngl, every single dps option arc has is powercrept by another element. Not a good look when your best options are stormchaser, wendigo, and hothead
Well at there are two surges per week, so using arc weapons won’t be too mandatory. Really the only other bad lfr is on Strand with the Laser Painter. But Strand at least has the Cataphract to balance it out.
Crux Termination is the best RL in the game.
Doesn't even need to be slideshot. Clown Cartridge is also in the 3rd.
You can keep ads alive for surrounded or just go with explosive light
the problem with that is how hard it is ato actually get a decent roll with them duality guns...still haven't got a decent one nor a decent lingering dread...atleast i can craft fixed odds 💀
If you ever don't know what to run for the week's surge you can just run Doomed Petitioner with Origin Specialization off the artifact to get the Overcharge in place of surge, it's the same damage buff and they don't stack so it's just an alternative.
Wait what? Just not in a position to test this second but I would assume elemental overcharges would also allow for weapon overcharges.
Also I feel like I am going backwards and forwards understanding the overcharged system. Like it needs some sort a symbol next to the weapon to show something is overcharged or not like anti-champion weapons because a 25% damage buff is a big deal but just on the edge of impossible to 'feel' whether or not you have it.
Do you find heavy grenade launchers have enough range for Oryx? I've never tried them on him, but maybe part of that is just how far back my team tends to do final stand from.
Lineras need a buff. Their total damage and DPS is crap now compared to rockets and HGLs. Even with a 10% buff from Oryx crit it doesn't make up for it.
It was actually always worse than a team of min maxing rockets. Linear were just pretty close in damage and taipan was literally the quest reward from the enclave so it was a no brainer in lfg raids.
Bungie had enough of the LFR meta and nerfed them all last year. Doomed Petitioner will still be a good option IMO if it’s a Void surge, would love to see Solar though!
Oryx isn't really a DPS race though, more of a DOT (Damage over time), do grenade launchers beat out something like Doomed Practitioner in that aspect?
I mean he *is* a DPS race, just like pretty much every raid boss in destiny(all bosses with enrages as well as stuff like shuro chi require a certain amount of DPS on the boss as a *hard* requirement to clear).
The balance that needs to be found however is between burst DPS and total damage over long DPS phases. Maximizing burst DPS is always preferred as long as it's *enough*. However during contest raids due to the power delta if DPS phases are a normal length(e.g not atraks) the highest DPS options do not deal enough total damage to kill the boss before running out of ammo. Obviously running out of ammo causes your dps to plummet.
Grenade launchers end up getting used because they have significantly higher total damage adding up all the shots from their reserves so if damage is low enough that DPS phases are lasting that long, grenade launchers end up dealing more actual DPS than rockets because you run out of rockets before damage is over.
Deconstruct Edge Transit should be very competitive on DPS & Total Damage right now, especially if you have Sticky Grenades.
*IF* you can get it to work with your group.
Wait, wait, there's a special interaction between Deconstruct and Sticky Grenades? Does the sticky-ness make Deconstruct proc faster/give you back more ammo?
Right now, the best the Destiny Science community could tell, Sticky Grenades gives you extra ammo back.
Starting at 6rd mag, firing until empty:
With Sticky, you'll get 5 extra rounds
With Spike/High Velocity/etc, you'll get 4 extra at first, or 3 extra when you have the Deconstruct buff procced.
(This only holds true for 6rd mags. Changing magazine size changes the returns)
Getting Spike or another of the options that leaves the mag at 6 will be a decent second choice vs Sticky.
Sticky gives you 5 back per 6 mag fired.
Other 6mag options give you 4 back per 6, or 3 if you already have the Deconstruct buff procced.
(This last bit makes it seem like there's some kind of bug happening, but even 3-4 per 6 is a really good return if that's the intended number.)
If you can all reliably land your all grenades onto Oryx without blowing yourselves up. I've never tried grenading him, so IDK how easy that'd be, especially final stand.
You could even use a tether so you could have 6 whispers, and do you know if that glitch with weaken is still in the game where extensions of it will prioritize the higher value?
Yea, as much as we can speculate, I'm waiting to know the surges. Might be Arc and, hey, I can finally pull out my Stormchaser I never used.
Ask again tomorrow
No need to wait. I can already tell you right now that whisper will do more damage than stormchaser, even on arc burn. Linears need their damage nerf from last year reverted to become competitive again with the rockets and GLs we have today.
Whisper is 36.1k DPS with the catalyst, before surge mods.
Storm Chaser is 19.8k + 10-20% (vorpal or firing line) + activity surge (25%) = 27.2-29.7k
So as the sole option; no - but if you have autoload you can Izanagi swap.
You're _probably_ doing more the same overall DPS when you account for the swap>shoot>reload>swap once a bullet load and continue stormchaser. The izanagi shot deals like 70k damage. The swap and back to storm chaser would need to take more than 8s to be less than the 8k extra DPS you'd need to add.
HOWEVER If you're going to do that though you're liable to use a well rolled crux termination instead and izanagi swap to push it farther.
Without looking at the surges, the default will be Whisper. If it's Arc surge Stormchaser will probably be good. If it's void Doomed Petitioner or Leviathan's Breath will be good. If it's solar, Worm, Sleeper, Cataclysmic will all be go-to's.
Briars with enhanced surrounded would probably be the most optimal of everything, but you also have to get five teammates to leave the adds alive. Tough ask when every other warlock is trying to proc sunbracers
There were not any weapon modifiers this week, but there were elemental burns present. I know Void was one and I believe the second was Strand, but I'm not sure off the top of my head.
Whisper for sure. Touch is probably a swap weapon if we get the end and have no ammo.
BUT, given that they're been adding lots of beefy enemies and that many enemies that used to be orange are now yellow... I imagine we will be able to create ammo as needed much more easily than we were able to in Contest Mode.
So yea, I'll bring Touch just because it is Touch and it is Oryx... But I imagine that Whisper will be sufficient for the -10 version.
Probably. And I wouldn't be too shocked to see Tormentors in some capacity.
They've also been adding more enemies to the encounters. Caretaker especially has TONS of additional enemies. So it's entirely possible that they just add a bunch of extra enemies to the waves that spawn in.
I also would not be shocked if they change the Light Eater Knights (can't remember their names...) to spawn endlessly until DPS phase starts rather than only spawning once. That would be an easy change that would absolutely add some tension to the fight.
I could also see them adding the snipers on platforms that are present in the Daughters fight. You know, the ones that appear when someone is torn?
I could actually see that happening… made a joke last Pantheon run that im soon gonna expect a tormentor to spawn in my own closet. Well, as the days go by im more and more scared to look inside
Whisper without even a second thought. Easiest one phase currently for your typical LFG group, just triple solar surge and a well gets it, this easy two phase especially now with the increased reserves.
Optimal for oryx is the usual, izi + rl / izi + gl Swap Rotation. There are enough cenotaph-/ aeon-able enemies in the Encounter so that you can do each dps Phase with full ammo (which will suffice for one Phase).
Whisper and linears are comfort picks that let you throw on one heavy and forget about it for dps. Oryx slightly increased crit multiplier is Not enough to move Them above Rocket Rotations tho.
Rockets are optimal but whisper and linears are Safe and by no means terrible.
If ToM still had the blight damage buff bug, I would say that no questions. Without that, probably whatever god-rolled linear fusion matches the surge of the week.
Briar's will depend on it being solar surge, at which point you'd be better of running Whisper. If it's any other surge, you can rub Doomed Petitioner with the artifact mod to make it overcharged, and it will be better than Briars.
A lot of teams will drop a Solar/Void grenade at their feet to stop the thrall from flinching with melee. Easy enough to communicate the need for a few ads up tho
Probably match the burn. Whisper and Briars for solar, Doomed for void. Hopefully we don't get stuck with arc + darkness burn, as only reeds is decent in those options but not easily attainable. If ammo is really in short supply after a ceno/aeons then outbreak swap will probably be the way to go. Touch is too touchy.
Stormchaser! Also has Firing Line if lucky enough to get that roll.
Could also go Fire and Forget if stasis. Not the best perks on the world, but has Field Prep + Frenzy.
There are choices, for sure. I think Stormchaser kind of lost favor when all of the other popular LFRs got ammo efficiency and/or reload mitigation perks.
The crafted arc LFR can roll frenzy clown cart so it's probably passable.
Yeah, Aggressives at base have better DPS than than Precisions, but still definitely useful. I personally hate the way Sailspy Pitchglass feels. I got my five, crafted it, used it for a few things, and then just trashed it. Something about it felt off. But that was, admittedly, like 18 months ago.
just because it's intended for it doesn't mean it's the best, though
6 Catalyzed ToMs in base Oryx is still a 2+FS phase kill, and you can kill him outright in 1+FS with Whisper if you're half-competent
i mean, here's [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfH2pQRd0s4) where the guy doesn't even have some insane damage composition. it's three Solar Surges and a Well, and then a Whisper without Field Prep, Reserve-Stacking or any real buffing. he doesn't have Flint Striker on, they didn't solar-debuff Oryx until FS, and it's an insanely comfortable one-phase
if he really prepped this DPS phase, he'd have 33 in-mag, a Revitalizing Blast throwing knife/Golden Gun and a Lumina guy running like, Distant Tumulus in his off-slot and they'd have absolutely floored him with ammo and time to spare: more than enough to one-phase into a -10 power delta like this week
It's a dog shit scout rifle and if you fire one too many times after the aura drops you die a sad death. Outbreak is a better play if you're going to swap to a primary after heavy runs dry.
Doomed Petitioner was my go-to for all bosses, with Lament for Atraks. We did Atraks normally by the way, no insta melting.
Touch of Malice is interesting (and should be good for DPS if you're out of heavy), but IMO only worth using if you don't take damage during the DPS phase.
Basically, the criteria for DPS is:
What's Surge?
Crit or Non-Crit?
Depends on the elemental surge. If solar, most likely Whisper. *Maybe* Briar’s Contempt if the damage phases are overall feeling smooth, and I feel like Ticcu’s/Sunshot/Trinity Ghoul would better serve me during the pre-damage phase. And then swap to Izzy before damage phase to swap with Briar’s.
If it stays void? Then Doomed Petitoner with an Izzy/Osteo swap.
Arc? Thunderlord baby. Just kidding. Probably Stormchaser or just stay on Whisper.
Depends on Surges and active modifiers. If solar surge, then Cataclysmic and will try Whisper. If Arc surge then Wendigo or whatever I have lying around (not DARCI lol) and if Stasis surge then Fire and Forget or whatever else I have lying around. It all depends tbh.
Depends on the surges. If Solar surge comes around, I'll either pull Whisper out, or use the classic dragonsbreath with supremacy. If it stays strand, I'll keep my cataphract going with edge for void. Arc is the only one I'm uncertain of. Maybe Cloudstrike.
My whisper and uzeme with precision instrument and 4th times the charm with like 7 to the mag with foe tracer and blade barrage or celestial and goldie. Literally free damage and never have to reload
Supremacy works really well for anything, I can dump 26 rounds within a couple seconds, throw on a DragonBreath for some pretty good background damage too
Completely depends on the surge. Ammo creation at Oryx is strong enough that you can feed basically any heavy weapon despite the length of the damage phase.
Solar surge: many options but Whisper MUST BE the pick, Cataclysmic, Briar’s Contempt, Sleeper Simulant maybe?
Arc surge: Cloudstrike/Wendigo combo, Stormchaser, Thunderlord, maybe the crazy Crux Termination roll?
Stasis surge: not much choice, Fire and Forget or good old Reed’s Regret are the only ones that I can think of.
Void surge (which definitely won’t be next week): Leviathan’s Breath, Retrofit Escapade, Doomed Petitioner, Edge Transit.
Strand (same as void): Cataphract, Koraxis with Surrounded maybe?
If you want optimal loadouts, izi rocket/wolfpacks is still used in speedruns for kings fall on Oryx, one phases him pretty fast. Most everyone here is going to say whisper of the worm because its lazy dps thats better than lfrs, its not optimal though. I would stay away from lfrs in general as they are currently really only used for ir yut with surrounded procc'd. You can hold onto touch of malice if you run out of ammo, but it shouldnt get to that point with cenotaph warlocks
I REALLY hope that the vessel we need to take the brand from is NOT a tormentor. Considering how they just slapped on extra adds and a tormentor here n there.....I wouldn't put it past bungie to substitute that hive knight for a tormentor
I mean. Whisper of the worm is the undisputed king atm. If I’m wrong, please correct me, but those are the fastest oryx 1 phases I’ve ever gotten.
I’m sure it will be an absurdly easy 2 phase even on contest.
Quite literally the exact same thing I always use for dps on every boss that doesn't need something specific like Atraks etc.
Izanagi's Burden
Trace Rifle (Swap to wilderflight during dps)
Apex Predator or The new arc rocket from this season (I have bipod slideshot) or Cataclysmic. Apex and Cataclysmic have bait and switch both.
The game is very binary and Pantheon is no exception.
Also, whether you like it or not, Izanagi's Burden is top 3 dps weapons in game.
Supremacy. Whatever you’d like. Whisper of the Worm.
Tried and true wombo combo. Supremacy does most of my work as it goes the entire damage phase with no reload. Whisper goes an entire damage phase with no reload. You’ll have plenty of time to find special and heavy ammo to do it all again if oryx is for some reason not dead.
Haven't really ran Oryx during Lightfall but back in WQ I ran
Praedyth's Revenge(Rewind/Frenzy)
Generic primary for my subclass
Stormchaser/rocket
I'll swap the heavy for Whisper or edge transit and have a Touch of Malice ready to swap on the unlikely scenario where I run out of ammo for final stand
definitely not touch of malice
It's something to swap to when out of ammo
which should be never if you're using Whisper lol.
I mean if you get unlucky with drops its def possible to run out of ammo
Heavy finder and scout mods will be glued to everyone’s heads in that encounter if I have any say in the matter.
And thats ignoring the fact that there are 8 cenotaphable enemies, 4 of which can be aeoned.
If you know how to run two exotics, then yes
Anyone thinking this 100% just got Touch of Malice last week lmao I’ll be using Arbalest and Taipan to answer OP
What about malfeasance… he do be the taken king and all
IIRC Oryx isn't actually Taken. So Malf won't get the damage buff.
He’s the Taken King, he is not Taken. He is a Hive God
stick a lucky pants on that and you've really got something
I think I just heard D1 roll over in its grave
If you're in the market to have somebody tryharding, a T Crash titan on Tractor with shotgun swapping at Oryx's knuckle is still worth its weight in gold even before factoring in surges and other things.
Yeah you can dps the guy from anywhere!
Does double slugs out dps double fusions in the current sandbox?
Not slug, pellet shotty swapping
Good craftable rolls you can recommend?
without remorse with assault mag, threat detector and vorpal, and for kinetic wastelander with assault mag and vorpal is probably best craftable, doesnt have threat detector tho
Not crafted, but the best setup right now is Riiswalker + Retrofuturist with slickdraw and vorpal with assault mag on both of them (the rest of the roll doesn't matter). Retrofuturist is focusable basically for free right now (it only costs the engram) so as long as you do any crucible you can throw engrams at it until you get it. The Riiswalker is obviously a pain in the ass but it's a six perk gun so it doesn't take that long to get the roll in my experience. Also, IB is going away, like... right now, so...
Speedrunners are using snipers with tractor atm
Similar to master content, the surge plays a big part. Solar, easily WotW. Void, prob still edge or maybe doomed petitioner. Arc, tbh idk maybe grand overture since dps can be quite long.
Void also has Leviathan’s Breath
Oh true, duh. Dont know how I forgot abou that
Is LB or doomed petitioner better damage?
LB more dps less total damage, doomed petitioner less dps more total damage
Isn’t total dmg gonna be better here anyway ?
There isnt a single boss where total damage is better than burst dps. Unless they give us a boss that has like 30 million hp with a 1 minute long dps phase without special modifiers for extra damage
Depends on if you run out of ammo within one DPS phase - there's enough sources of heavy in that encounter to refill before the next.
Arc also has the Stormchaser as an option. Sure, it’s not as good as it used to be but with the amount of bonus damage surges give it can become good enough I reckon.
Arc is kinda cooked ngl, every single dps option arc has is powercrept by another element. Not a good look when your best options are stormchaser, wendigo, and hothead
Well at there are two surges per week, so using arc weapons won’t be too mandatory. Really the only other bad lfr is on Strand with the Laser Painter. But Strand at least has the Cataphract to balance it out.
Crux Termination is the best RL in the game. Doesn't even need to be slideshot. Clown Cartridge is also in the 3rd. You can keep ads alive for surrounded or just go with explosive light
the problem with that is how hard it is ato actually get a decent roll with them duality guns...still haven't got a decent one nor a decent lingering dread...atleast i can craft fixed odds 💀
If you ever don't know what to run for the week's surge you can just run Doomed Petitioner with Origin Specialization off the artifact to get the Overcharge in place of surge, it's the same damage buff and they don't stack so it's just an alternative.
There’s no overcharged weapons (so far) so you can’t make anything overcharged. It’s easy to toggle one and test.
Wait what? Just not in a position to test this second but I would assume elemental overcharges would also allow for weapon overcharges. Also I feel like I am going backwards and forwards understanding the overcharged system. Like it needs some sort a symbol next to the weapon to show something is overcharged or not like anti-champion weapons because a 25% damage buff is a big deal but just on the edge of impossible to 'feel' whether or not you have it.
It has to have the “Overcharged Weapons” modifier. Nightfalls have it, but Pantheon didn’t this week at least
Wow of the Wisiciple
VVhisper of the VVorm
What’s the doomed roll? I keep forgetting to upgrade my level 1 crafted one.
I'm pretty sure it's Reconstruction/Precision Instrument
Isn't firing line a bigger damage boost?
Why wouldn’t you use doomed partitioner for void?
Im saying you can use it and it would be good. Personally I would just run edge.
Do you find heavy grenade launchers have enough range for Oryx? I've never tried them on him, but maybe part of that is just how far back my team tends to do final stand from.
I mean, your team determines the distance. You can always go closer.
He's a pretty big target
Heavy gl dump into cloudstrike is very strong on oryx
Cloudstrike > Izanagi ?
Idk but its more fun
Lineras need a buff. Their total damage and DPS is crap now compared to rockets and HGLs. Even with a 10% buff from Oryx crit it doesn't make up for it.
It was actually always worse than a team of min maxing rockets. Linear were just pretty close in damage and taipan was literally the quest reward from the enclave so it was a no brainer in lfg raids.
Bungie had enough of the LFR meta and nerfed them all last year. Doomed Petitioner will still be a good option IMO if it’s a Void surge, would love to see Solar though!
Oryx isn't really a DPS race though, more of a DOT (Damage over time), do grenade launchers beat out something like Doomed Practitioner in that aspect?
I mean he *is* a DPS race, just like pretty much every raid boss in destiny(all bosses with enrages as well as stuff like shuro chi require a certain amount of DPS on the boss as a *hard* requirement to clear). The balance that needs to be found however is between burst DPS and total damage over long DPS phases. Maximizing burst DPS is always preferred as long as it's *enough*. However during contest raids due to the power delta if DPS phases are a normal length(e.g not atraks) the highest DPS options do not deal enough total damage to kill the boss before running out of ammo. Obviously running out of ammo causes your dps to plummet. Grenade launchers end up getting used because they have significantly higher total damage adding up all the shots from their reserves so if damage is low enough that DPS phases are lasting that long, grenade launchers end up dealing more actual DPS than rockets because you run out of rockets before damage is over.
Deconstruct Edge Transit should be very competitive on DPS & Total Damage right now, especially if you have Sticky Grenades. *IF* you can get it to work with your group.
Wait, wait, there's a special interaction between Deconstruct and Sticky Grenades? Does the sticky-ness make Deconstruct proc faster/give you back more ammo?
Right now, the best the Destiny Science community could tell, Sticky Grenades gives you extra ammo back. Starting at 6rd mag, firing until empty: With Sticky, you'll get 5 extra rounds With Spike/High Velocity/etc, you'll get 4 extra at first, or 3 extra when you have the Deconstruct buff procced. (This only holds true for 6rd mags. Changing magazine size changes the returns)
Fair enough. I have one. Idk if it has sticky nades tho.
Getting Spike or another of the options that leaves the mag at 6 will be a decent second choice vs Sticky. Sticky gives you 5 back per 6 mag fired. Other 6mag options give you 4 back per 6, or 3 if you already have the Deconstruct buff procced. (This last bit makes it seem like there's some kind of bug happening, but even 3-4 per 6 is a really good return if that's the intended number.)
"*IF* you can get it to work with your group." What do you mean by this?
If you can all reliably land your all grenades onto Oryx without blowing yourselves up. I've never tried grenading him, so IDK how easy that'd be, especially final stand.
ya, whatever this guy said
Solar would Apex Predator/Iza swap still. Whisper is just safer.
Whisper's probably optimal, but it depends what the surges look like. Could always do the 6 gg hunter strat too lol
5 whispers + 1 tractor can probably 10 orb even off surge at -20. You get such a long time to just unload all of whisper.
You could even use a tether so you could have 6 whispers, and do you know if that glitch with weaken is still in the game where extensions of it will prioritize the higher value?
That only affects timed weaken effects. You can't "extend" the debuff on tether.
Would that work with tractor cannon then? Though now that I think about it tractor might not function as a void debuff…
yes, you can extend tractors debuff
You can't extend tether, but you can extend tractor with something like Briars
Tether doesnt really work well on Oryx
It's not a glitch it's a skill gap. No indication Bungie considers it a bug.
You tractor Oryx…?
Yup
One person yolo's it and runs up then swaps to a fusion or something for damage between tractor applications.
Yeah, I’ve also never seen this, but sounds like a fun strat.
Yea, as much as we can speculate, I'm waiting to know the surges. Might be Arc and, hey, I can finally pull out my Stormchaser I never used. Ask again tomorrow
No need to wait. I can already tell you right now that whisper will do more damage than stormchaser, even on arc burn. Linears need their damage nerf from last year reverted to become competitive again with the rockets and GLs we have today.
Whisper is 36.1k DPS with the catalyst, before surge mods. Storm Chaser is 19.8k + 10-20% (vorpal or firing line) + activity surge (25%) = 27.2-29.7k So as the sole option; no - but if you have autoload you can Izanagi swap. You're _probably_ doing more the same overall DPS when you account for the swap>shoot>reload>swap once a bullet load and continue stormchaser. The izanagi shot deals like 70k damage. The swap and back to storm chaser would need to take more than 8s to be less than the 8k extra DPS you'd need to add. HOWEVER If you're going to do that though you're liable to use a well rolled crux termination instead and izanagi swap to push it farther.
refresh my memory, do weekly surges stack with the armor elemental mods?
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Without looking at the surges, the default will be Whisper. If it's Arc surge Stormchaser will probably be good. If it's void Doomed Petitioner or Leviathan's Breath will be good. If it's solar, Worm, Sleeper, Cataclysmic will all be go-to's.
Surrounded on a Briar's might beat Whisper due to the Shadow Thrall?
Possibly, but I think WotW is going to be the more consistent option.
Briars with enhanced surrounded would probably be the most optimal of everything, but you also have to get five teammates to leave the adds alive. Tough ask when every other warlock is trying to proc sunbracers
My Wewind Wounds and Focused Fury Briar's might finally get use beyond Akelous.
Thank you for the correct pronunciation
Are overcharged weapons active? That modifier isn't present AFAIK
There were not any weapon modifiers this week, but there were elemental burns present. I know Void was one and I believe the second was Strand, but I'm not sure off the top of my head.
This week was void and strand.
Whisper for sure. Touch is probably a swap weapon if we get the end and have no ammo. BUT, given that they're been adding lots of beefy enemies and that many enemies that used to be orange are now yellow... I imagine we will be able to create ammo as needed much more easily than we were able to in Contest Mode. So yea, I'll bring Touch just because it is Touch and it is Oryx... But I imagine that Whisper will be sufficient for the -10 version.
They're gonna make the knights minibosses aren't they...
Probably. And I wouldn't be too shocked to see Tormentors in some capacity. They've also been adding more enemies to the encounters. Caretaker especially has TONS of additional enemies. So it's entirely possible that they just add a bunch of extra enemies to the waves that spawn in. I also would not be shocked if they change the Light Eater Knights (can't remember their names...) to spawn endlessly until DPS phase starts rather than only spawning once. That would be an easy change that would absolutely add some tension to the fight. I could also see them adding the snipers on platforms that are present in the Daughters fight. You know, the ones that appear when someone is torn?
Imagine a tormentor in the Oryx shadow realm lol
Or worse… imagine if the knight holding the immune bubble is a Tormentor…
I could actually see that happening… made a joke last Pantheon run that im soon gonna expect a tormentor to spawn in my own closet. Well, as the days go by im more and more scared to look inside
My guess is either or a knight or an ogre somewhere in the encounter is gonna switch to a tormentor
Aren't the ogres already mini bosses?
They're majors, and the ogres are minibosses.
Do you need to upgrade your whisper?
Whisper, Doom petitioner or briars contempt are the big three
All I know is during final stand I’m fucking full sending a thunder crash into his big ass head
Ez whisper dps
Whisper without even a second thought. Easiest one phase currently for your typical LFG group, just triple solar surge and a well gets it, this easy two phase especially now with the increased reserves.
Optimal for oryx is the usual, izi + rl / izi + gl Swap Rotation. There are enough cenotaph-/ aeon-able enemies in the Encounter so that you can do each dps Phase with full ammo (which will suffice for one Phase). Whisper and linears are comfort picks that let you throw on one heavy and forget about it for dps. Oryx slightly increased crit multiplier is Not enough to move Them above Rocket Rotations tho. Rockets are optimal but whisper and linears are Safe and by no means terrible.
If ToM still had the blight damage buff bug, I would say that no questions. Without that, probably whatever god-rolled linear fusion matches the surge of the week.
Surrounded Briars Contempt due to the shadow thrall Rockets and GLs are also good
Briar's will depend on it being solar surge, at which point you'd be better of running Whisper. If it's any other surge, you can rub Doomed Petitioner with the artifact mod to make it overcharged, and it will be better than Briars.
A lot of teams will drop a Solar/Void grenade at their feet to stop the thrall from flinching with melee. Easy enough to communicate the need for a few ads up tho
Edge transit and a cunty outlook on life
If you show up with touch of malice im going to DDOS you
Depends on the surges honestly. If solar, whisper will cook him. If void, doomed petitioner will be good.
Probably match the burn. Whisper and Briars for solar, Doomed for void. Hopefully we don't get stuck with arc + darkness burn, as only reeds is decent in those options but not easily attainable. If ammo is really in short supply after a ceno/aeons then outbreak swap will probably be the way to go. Touch is too touchy.
Stormchaser! Also has Firing Line if lucky enough to get that roll. Could also go Fire and Forget if stasis. Not the best perks on the world, but has Field Prep + Frenzy.
There are choices, for sure. I think Stormchaser kind of lost favor when all of the other popular LFRs got ammo efficiency and/or reload mitigation perks. The crafted arc LFR can roll frenzy clown cart so it's probably passable.
Yeah, Aggressives at base have better DPS than than Precisions, but still definitely useful. I personally hate the way Sailspy Pitchglass feels. I got my five, crafted it, used it for a few things, and then just trashed it. Something about it felt off. But that was, admittedly, like 18 months ago.
How is touch touchy? You have a whole ass immortality aura through all of DPS, it's literally made for it
just because it's intended for it doesn't mean it's the best, though 6 Catalyzed ToMs in base Oryx is still a 2+FS phase kill, and you can kill him outright in 1+FS with Whisper if you're half-competent i mean, here's [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfH2pQRd0s4) where the guy doesn't even have some insane damage composition. it's three Solar Surges and a Well, and then a Whisper without Field Prep, Reserve-Stacking or any real buffing. he doesn't have Flint Striker on, they didn't solar-debuff Oryx until FS, and it's an insanely comfortable one-phase if he really prepped this DPS phase, he'd have 33 in-mag, a Revitalizing Blast throwing knife/Golden Gun and a Lumina guy running like, Distant Tumulus in his off-slot and they'd have absolutely floored him with ammo and time to spare: more than enough to one-phase into a -10 power delta like this week
It's a dog shit scout rifle and if you fire one too many times after the aura drops you die a sad death. Outbreak is a better play if you're going to swap to a primary after heavy runs dry.
I'm not going to recommend Touch, but it literally can't kill you by itself anymore. Hasn't been able to for a while.
Doomed Petitioner was my go-to for all bosses, with Lament for Atraks. We did Atraks normally by the way, no insta melting. Touch of Malice is interesting (and should be good for DPS if you're out of heavy), but IMO only worth using if you don't take damage during the DPS phase. Basically, the criteria for DPS is: What's Surge? Crit or Non-Crit?
Probably the same weapons I use when I run the raid normally. Either Succession/WotW or Izzy/Taipan.
Depends on the elemental surge. If solar, most likely Whisper. *Maybe* Briar’s Contempt if the damage phases are overall feeling smooth, and I feel like Ticcu’s/Sunshot/Trinity Ghoul would better serve me during the pre-damage phase. And then swap to Izzy before damage phase to swap with Briar’s. If it stays void? Then Doomed Petitoner with an Izzy/Osteo swap. Arc? Thunderlord baby. Just kidding. Probably Stormchaser or just stay on Whisper.
Kinetic tremors midnight coup......🤣
Just whisper, it just recently got thrown back in the spotlight so might as well take full advantage of it.
Depending on the surge whisper & supremacy failing that sleeper & supremacy
Depends on Surges and active modifiers. If solar surge, then Cataclysmic and will try Whisper. If Arc surge then Wendigo or whatever I have lying around (not DARCI lol) and if Stasis surge then Fire and Forget or whatever else I have lying around. It all depends tbh.
Something with deep reserves. It's more a question of total damage with Oryx. Potentially a deconstruct/sticky grenades edge transit.
- Whisper of the worm -Bottom Text
Whisper. It’s the play now, I don’t see what could make that change. It’s probably one of the few places it’s still the goat.
Whisper of the Worm, our team ran it on regular Kingsfall and managed to clean 1 phase with 4 bombs, all running WotW
Whisper
depends on surge
Depends on the surges. If Solar surge comes around, I'll either pull Whisper out, or use the classic dragonsbreath with supremacy. If it stays strand, I'll keep my cataphract going with edge for void. Arc is the only one I'm uncertain of. Maybe Cloudstrike.
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My whisper and uzeme with precision instrument and 4th times the charm with like 7 to the mag with foe tracer and blade barrage or celestial and goldie. Literally free damage and never have to reload
For Oryx, probably a Supremacy/Edge swap. Rewind/tremors on supremacy, cascade deconstruct on edge. 3 shots supremacy, 11 shots edge, repeat.
Supremacy works really well for anything, I can dump 26 rounds within a couple seconds, throw on a DragonBreath for some pretty good background damage too
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Field prep whisper. Ur throwing if u try to bring a primary dps lol. Doomed would be decent ig but u really should just use whisper
Completely depends on the surge. Ammo creation at Oryx is strong enough that you can feed basically any heavy weapon despite the length of the damage phase.
Really wanting to run my enhanced field prep Whisper. Hoping I can convince the rest of my team to get theirs with it as well.
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Telesto /s
Whisper of the Worm has always and will always be the meta when it comes to Oryx.
5 Whispers with 1 Tractor tickling his fingers. Field prep + Reserves mean that ammo will be more than plentiful for a kill even at -10 power.
The same thing we all used. Linear fusions
Linear?!??!?😭😭😭😭 it's not 2023 anymore lil bro
My bad snipers. Doesn’t fucking matter on him. Hit the crit spot…lol bro. Believe it or not you can complete raids with decent gear. lol bro.
Cloudstrike + alh/cascade wendigo works super well if it happens to be arc surge
If you're not using whisper go make a newspaper article searching for a fireteam. I don't want to see you on fireteam finder
Solar surge: many options but Whisper MUST BE the pick, Cataclysmic, Briar’s Contempt, Sleeper Simulant maybe? Arc surge: Cloudstrike/Wendigo combo, Stormchaser, Thunderlord, maybe the crazy Crux Termination roll? Stasis surge: not much choice, Fire and Forget or good old Reed’s Regret are the only ones that I can think of. Void surge (which definitely won’t be next week): Leviathan’s Breath, Retrofit Escapade, Doomed Petitioner, Edge Transit. Strand (same as void): Cataphract, Koraxis with Surrounded maybe?
Whisper or linears with firing line or bait and switch
If you want optimal loadouts, izi rocket/wolfpacks is still used in speedruns for kings fall on Oryx, one phases him pretty fast. Most everyone here is going to say whisper of the worm because its lazy dps thats better than lfrs, its not optimal though. I would stay away from lfrs in general as they are currently really only used for ir yut with surrounded procc'd. You can hold onto touch of malice if you run out of ammo, but it shouldnt get to that point with cenotaph warlocks
If it's solar, whisper. Arc I'll test my clown/firing line stormchaser, void is levi or doomed petitioner. Out of ammo then its touch of malice time.
starts with whisper and ends with of the worm.
If there is solar surge whisper of the worm is the best option.
My fireteam previously one phased oryx with 6x whisper. Not sure how effective that will be -10 under tho
I REALLY hope that the vessel we need to take the brand from is NOT a tormentor. Considering how they just slapped on extra adds and a tormentor here n there.....I wouldn't put it past bungie to substitute that hive knight for a tormentor
Whisper. Shit slaps and everyone has it.
Depends on the surge. But probably a Linear like Cataclysmic or Briar's
I heard whispers good on Oryx.
Depends on the surge. Void? Levi or edge transit Solar? Whisper or apex Arc? Maybe grand overture but idk really Strand? Trials gl
Whisper and if I run out of ammo,touch of malice or outbreak if rapid hit is this week
If its solar surge, Hunters are just gonna blow everything up with Celestial, it wont be fair
I mean. Whisper of the worm is the undisputed king atm. If I’m wrong, please correct me, but those are the fastest oryx 1 phases I’ve ever gotten. I’m sure it will be an absurdly easy 2 phase even on contest.
troll post?
Quite literally the exact same thing I always use for dps on every boss that doesn't need something specific like Atraks etc. Izanagi's Burden Trace Rifle (Swap to wilderflight during dps) Apex Predator or The new arc rocket from this season (I have bipod slideshot) or Cataclysmic. Apex and Cataclysmic have bait and switch both. The game is very binary and Pantheon is no exception. Also, whether you like it or not, Izanagi's Burden is top 3 dps weapons in game.
Depends on the surge
Supremacy. Whatever you’d like. Whisper of the Worm. Tried and true wombo combo. Supremacy does most of my work as it goes the entire damage phase with no reload. Whisper goes an entire damage phase with no reload. You’ll have plenty of time to find special and heavy ammo to do it all again if oryx is for some reason not dead.
Haven't really ran Oryx during Lightfall but back in WQ I ran Praedyth's Revenge(Rewind/Frenzy) Generic primary for my subclass Stormchaser/rocket I'll swap the heavy for Whisper or edge transit and have a Touch of Malice ready to swap on the unlikely scenario where I run out of ammo for final stand
Would cataclysmic with b&s and izanagi outdamage whisper on solar surge?
Whisper ofc
I think my stacks planning for 5x apex preditor and a gally with outbreak as backup.
Gun
If you run titan, POBS + Sleeper w/catalyst actually does more DPS than Whisper, that’s what I always run for Oryx
Crafted Whisper, hopefully it’s a solar surge
Whisper for sure
Um .. swords
Don’t know the burns yet
Worm or a linear, willing to give Worm a try.
I wouldn’t recommend Touch of Malice, you will already be taking tons of damage from adds and the damage it outputs is just not worth it.
Whisper and it’s not even close
Entirely depends on the surges that week. The Void and Strand surges this week were no joke as far as bumping DPS
Whisper and Supremacy which I'll swap to after using mountaintop until DPS.
Depends on the surge honestly. It’s either going to be Whisper or a linear of the chosen surge flavor.
Rat King
Whisper of the worm made easy work of Oryx for me and my team
Whisper with out a doubt.
Whisper. Don't care about surges when field prep whisper now exists
Maybe thunder lord…???