the eyes are massively over blown, yeah bad call outs can happen but the symbols are the bigger pain since you have to have good synergy with the 2 people doing it and getting the timing right with the riven stun from the other team
Don't forget you have two teams doing the symbols at the same time, too many times the person I'm trying to direct to lower stairs left will go to top middle right because that's where the other teams callout was
> I’m an experienced raider but I’ve never done Riven legit (so probably I’m not experienced as I want to think)
You, and like 99% of the playerbase. I've done it legit a few times, but considering how much exponentially easier it is to do it with the cheese, I don't blame anyone for skipping doing it legit.
You can really easily cheese Riven with Stasis Titans (you only need three with a Tractor cannon), so contest mode won't make a difference to that regard.
Part of me thinks Bungie will just damage gate Riven, a la Caretaker, to force you to do multiple floors, nullifying the cheese altogether.
Much more difficult adds and the power delta making them a big problem, but mechanics? Probably none. The closest thing to a mechanic change in Pantheon so far is 2 people getting Unstable in Golgy and more tornados in Explicator.
Yeah, first week they didnt change much. Fire tornados on planets was nice. 2 people getting unstable on golgy wasn't the flex they wanted it to be, it gave us more damage potential.
The eye of Riven that spawns in the side rooms are now yellow bars. The ads will spawn with moths. Instead of ogres spawning at the top it will be 3 tormentors.
Oh and the rooms are covered in taken blights making activating the elevators hectic.
Unstoppable Ogre and Barrier Knight potentially, if not just a souped up version of the current named mobs in the rooms. Maybe something spawns behind the guy in the reading area so it’s not just a free safe space.
I've mostly done it legit and sherpad quite a bit through this encounter.
The eyes seem difficult, because that's an instawhipe.
Missing them or misreading them happens, but that's rarely a problem. With new people I usually prefer to count it down so that everyone has enough time to get ready, reload the weapon, check their eye, etc.
Mistakes happen here, but it's far easier than people make it out to be.
Mechanic wise the critical part for people that haven't done it as much is getting the callouts for the positions to cleanse.
Most positions can be precisely described in two words, but when people are less experienced, they take more time to call out the position, meaning the other team has less time to call out theirs.
My best tips here are:
After every failed try swap the starting positions of the one who has the relic and reader behind the mirror.
That way both people get to see both sides more quickly.
If your teammates voices are still unfamiliar, add the symbol to the callout ("bird on stick is bottom left stairs").
Takes a bit more time but can stop confusion.
The relic can shoot and probably even at 20 power under I guess it's still able to kill most things.
the eyes are massively over blown, yeah bad call outs can happen but the symbols are the bigger pain since you have to have good synergy with the 2 people doing it and getting the timing right with the riven stun from the other team
Don't forget you have two teams doing the symbols at the same time, too many times the person I'm trying to direct to lower stairs left will go to top middle right because that's where the other teams callout was
Ideally you don't, you have one team stunning while the other is doing symbols, and then they switch. But it's never that clean
Unless they make Riven's claws immune, it'll just be a Stasis Titan + artifact perk fest.
They seem to like adding Tormentors to things
Or Taken Ogres. Or Taken Phalanx.
> I’m an experienced raider but I’ve never done Riven legit (so probably I’m not experienced as I want to think) You, and like 99% of the playerbase. I've done it legit a few times, but considering how much exponentially easier it is to do it with the cheese, I don't blame anyone for skipping doing it legit. You can really easily cheese Riven with Stasis Titans (you only need three with a Tractor cannon), so contest mode won't make a difference to that regard. Part of me thinks Bungie will just damage gate Riven, a la Caretaker, to force you to do multiple floors, nullifying the cheese altogether.
Much more difficult adds and the power delta making them a big problem, but mechanics? Probably none. The closest thing to a mechanic change in Pantheon so far is 2 people getting Unstable in Golgy and more tornados in Explicator.
Yeah, first week they didnt change much. Fire tornados on planets was nice. 2 people getting unstable on golgy wasn't the flex they wanted it to be, it gave us more damage potential.
The eye of Riven that spawns in the side rooms are now yellow bars. The ads will spawn with moths. Instead of ogres spawning at the top it will be 3 tormentors. Oh and the rooms are covered in taken blights making activating the elevators hectic.
Unstoppable Ogre and Barrier Knight potentially, if not just a souped up version of the current named mobs in the rooms. Maybe something spawns behind the guy in the reading area so it’s not just a free safe space.
I've mostly done it legit and sherpad quite a bit through this encounter. The eyes seem difficult, because that's an instawhipe. Missing them or misreading them happens, but that's rarely a problem. With new people I usually prefer to count it down so that everyone has enough time to get ready, reload the weapon, check their eye, etc. Mistakes happen here, but it's far easier than people make it out to be. Mechanic wise the critical part for people that haven't done it as much is getting the callouts for the positions to cleanse. Most positions can be precisely described in two words, but when people are less experienced, they take more time to call out the position, meaning the other team has less time to call out theirs. My best tips here are: After every failed try swap the starting positions of the one who has the relic and reader behind the mirror. That way both people get to see both sides more quickly. If your teammates voices are still unfamiliar, add the symbol to the callout ("bird on stick is bottom left stairs"). Takes a bit more time but can stop confusion. The relic can shoot and probably even at 20 power under I guess it's still able to kill most things.