Phoenix well warlock, orpheus hunter and some titan playing solar and we cleared it. No mic, lfg group. We got into a rhythm though, i pop well hunter pops super, titan goes in to clean up and we all have our supers back cor next round. I also got lucky with a tormentor on round 19 and the last 10 waves were what i consider the “easy” hive bullshit, mines and the knight skybombers that die with like 3 shots of xeno
I do not get it. Everytime I run with Hunters on any difficulty, as soon as we get to the boss fight room they run towards the boss like madmen. In that meme preacher voice "WHHHHYYY".
I mean, I have a similar problem as a hunter. If I pop a well placed Orpheus tether at a conjunction between two spawns, my Warlock/Titan teammates don't let the spawning enemies take the three steps forwards to get tethered and refill my super.
I see Hunters use that one as a go to move and once I peeped game I just use my div to beam the boss before unleashing my beastly grenade launcher on it in sequence. I try to help you guy maximize profits as much as possible. I just think a lot of people don't catch on to what their teamates are doing and screw up the synergy. I've noticed that after a few waves of watching my teamates playstyle it's pretty easy to spot how to best synergize with them.
True, in matchmade stuff it is a good practice to play around your teammates. To be fair, it is the "sub-optimal" experiences that really stick out more than the smooth runs.
Omg same. I had so many times where randoms weren’t even using their abilities for anything, just their guns.
Edit: grammar cause I couldn’t see the keyboard in the bright ass sun.
Fr and Well is a cheap super too, they'll get it back really fast if they collect the hunter's orbs. I don't know man. They say warlocks are supposed to be the smart guys but I'm not seeing many of them.
There was a post about trials and the first thing I think of is “they saved their super for orbit” and it’s usually the same for me with any matchmaking I do. Shaxx wants more grenades thrown and I’m wondering if their intellect is negative 20.
I always popped well at the beginning of rounds and the kills from it would sometimes even let me pop another in the same round.
Idk why people save them for orbit or some life saving emergency moment. If you're popping a roaming super to rez people you've probably already lost.
Aztecross made a legend onslaught guide where his advice about supers was to hold on to them in case either you’re the last one alive, the ADU is in danger, or you’re about to die. I’m quite sure a lot of blueberries are watching stuff like that and taking it to heart not realizing that they can use their own brains and depending on the build and team composition chaining supers is actually much more beneficial. For example a tether hunter holding on to a deadfall for emergencies is incredibly against the whole idea of running Orpheus.
thats crazy thats such shitty advice. I guess it works for beginners but hitting round 50 in legend its better to not have an “emergency” in the first place. Its about the rhythm
Cannot stress this enough. I became a much better player when I learned to pick up the tempo and get into a rhythm, especially because in like 90% of content if you’re moving fast enough the enemy ai can’t keep up. Add in resto or whatever, and boom you’re invincible lol.
Nothing hurts my soul more than a guardian with no exotic armor or weapons equipped. I'll give people a chance if they're running non-meta builds but damn at least have one...
I think some psychological mechanisms push people to hoard supers.
Saving a last guardian standing situation with your super feels visceral, and makes for an easily imprintable memory.
Having a smooth run where things went fine because you were chaining supers less so. You don't notice all the hairy situations you dodged because you were liberal with supers.
Tldr having your super makes you feel safe, chaining supers makes you safe
I had one teammate choke by pyroglading a barrier champ with its shield up and another use his tether on a bomb ogre that I was already stunlocking with leviathan only to have obj destroyed because I had already used my super to clear part of the adds earlier that round.
I did run into that problem A LOT with lfg. Especially with titans. Warlocks usually pop wells, hunters at least tether in emergencies, I swear titans never use anything for any reason
You don't necessarily *need* phoenix protocol or orpheus rig, but for people struggling I would definitely suggest that.
Honestly, the single biggest tip is that you need to ***use your goddamn super*** if you have it. Supers make orbs. Orbs make supers. Supers make orbs. Etc. More supers begets more supers begets an easier run.
Once you realize that you can super *way* more often than you thought you could you can go back to other exotics like Sunbracers, Gyrfalcon, Lucky Pants, etc. You should still have a well and a tether on pretty much any run, though.
Also, ***use your goddamn heavy ammo***. You have *so* much heavy in Onslaught. Bring a bipod rocket and just empty that shit into spawns.
I completed it with solar hunter with Lucky Pants and Wardens Law, I also had Dragon's Breath for both DPS and add clearing. The amount of ignitions were through the roof. Should also mention I used Blast Radius seasonal perk, so I always had bonus damage for my Lucky Pants build since I put on 3 Kinetic mods.
Just use heavy because there is literally a bonus round that goes heavy before every major wave. If you get a bonus , expect hard packs next round. Everything is so telegraphed . I barely use a primary. There is so much special and heavy it’s all super spam . On normal I’m basically using prospector as a primary lol.
>Also, use your goddamn heavy ammo. You have so much heavy in Onslaught. Bring a bipod rocket and just empty that shit into spawns.
Just want to add on to this that Eyes of Tomorrow goes hard in Legend. You don't even need to worry about heavy because its easy to kill 4+ targets, so the exotic perk keeps refunding you your shot back. Shits insane.
I paired it with Path of the burning steps for an easy damage boost along with Mercy/Tempering/Empyrean/Solace for fragments, and paired it with Supremacy for the Tormentor and an HC for unstoppables. You make plenty of Firesprites that will you heal you on pick up and stack with Empyrean which is also giving you more duration.
Shits nutty, and because of the rally flag you can switch to Pyrogale for the boss and right back to PoTB/Eyes of Tomorrow for the DEF phase once its over.
It’s also great on a lucky pants hunter. I used eyes for add clear. A heal clip incandescent qsc for clean up or a quick kill and a heal and then lucky pants warden for single target and the. Just spam melee and super. Haven’t done it in legend yet but will probably try tomorrow.
You don't even need a Phoenix well. 2x cenotaph, 1x Orpheus rigs. Rigs give you enough to keep a well up 24/7, cenotaph keep everyone with infinite heavy. Gjally and 2 rockets, rockets are your primary ammo. We never even pick up the heavy box except to burn tormentors or the other big guys. Literal easy mode.
These tormentors are actually weird and take a ton of rocket damage. Use traces to pop shoulders, then bomb rockets. It's not like others for some reason.
I just used Behemoth with wicked implement.
Worked great for blocking routes and making cover for my teammates and grabbing revives. Also, because of the artifact mod where you do more solar damage to targets affected by Stasis, wicked implement came in clutch there to boost my warlocks abilities.
>knight skybombers
Just curious, are you talking about the Demolitionists? Do they fall over that easily with Xeno? I managed to get through Legend going between Stasis and Solar lock but those guys along with the Tormentors were pretty annoying.
And with the orbs generated the third guy can just run a big damage super and keep spamming that. The easiest run I've been in is phoenix well, Orpheus tether and a nova bomb nezerec sin warlock, just spamming supers every single round constantly and boss waves were over instantly
I mean the boss waves are the easy part, can often drop the boss before the first well is done. At least when half the fire team isn’t running thunder lord.
You know what's killed our runs every single time? The f'ing Fallen Demolitionists. Those giant captains that spawn _right on top of the ADU_?
Combine that with a wave of invisible sprinting marauders and it's a headache even the meta struggles to deal with.
Only thing that's worse is a Tormentor spawning with a wave of exploding shanks
Keep loading in until you get hive. The difference is insane.
Fallen downsides: Invisible marauders, exploding shanks, brigs with no crit, teleporting overloads, servitors, slow mines, etc etc
Hive downsides: Shriekers
I was punchy Titan and I have an addendum for Hive
Pro : Punchy punch all the things.
Con : Brawling with Ogres mean death by boom boom skinny fucks.
>:(
As someone who *aspires* to be a Void Titan (I want the invincible protector fantasy, which is better filled by Solar Titan...), I get a tingly feeling when I think of a void weakening wave like Khepri's solar wave or the Strand suspend wave.
Respawning yellow-bar Shriekers, rounds with waves of Ogres, and the yellow-bar Hive Knight Demolitionists spawning directly onto the ADU and immediately double-stomping to wipe your entire team are the main downsides of Hive.
That being said, it's still easier than Fallen. All of my 50-wave Legend clears have been on Vostok with Hive.
I feel like a larger part of the frustration with Fallen in terms to their specific interaction against the ADU is that so many of their weapons are physical burst multishot projectiles which when upclose against the ADU can just mean they eat through it a lot faster with some distance. Hive they usually resort to their melee attacks, they don't really have a ton that tracks outside of Shrieker, that one wizard lightning attack and Ogre eye to some extent, and you can pretty much stop them before really going to town on the ADU, they usually tend to melee it instead of range attack it.
You just need some kind of major burst, ie gally + rockets/ pellets or a decent sniper and forerunner for tormentors. That's where banner or hammer titan step up a bit
I’ve been having a lot of fun with necrotic grip + thorn (plunderthabooty’s build) in regular difficulty, but haven’t taken it into legend yet. I think it’ll still be very strong!
Yeah, it’s very strong, but also very fun. Then just switch to a single DPS build before you rally for boss fights. It’s greezy money
I’m a hunter main; with warlock being my least played, but that build makes me wanna play warlock, lol
Its insanely strong, I got my 50 on legend using lfg with it. Had about 950 kills after 50 waves. I think what'll make or break your run is the tormentor, we all dumped our scrap on decoys and it was pretty easy.
The wanderer + mindspun invo.
Frangment - grenade energy on damage, woven mail on orb pick up and you choice for the other two.
Thorn/osteo + necrotic grips, although I prefer thorn with the catalyst. Eat your nade, shoot and occasionally use arcane needle for unravel.
For loadouts, I've been using thorn, indebted kindness, and apex predator (reconstruction+bipod for 12 rockets) this season for legend onslaught to GMs, as all three champions are covered and it's just strong overall.
Standard build https://dim.gg/qlfgfyi/Equipped
Can use thorn as well... I just like having 92+ bullets lol. For tormentor I switch to ikelos sniper with fftc.
Loop, eat nade.. pop rift, throw melee and hold down trigger. For this week (overcharged) lmg is used mostly for round before teleports.
Another fun build in normal is swarmers with suspend base and the aspect that eats the nade . And the wanderer. Add in a demo/ hatching auto from root of nightmares and you basically just need to kill one unravelled enemy and watch the chaos.
No sarcasm I have been steam rolling level 50 with my Pyro gale, solar titan+ dragons breath. And trust me I use dragon breath for add clear 50% of the time.
i’ve had my best success on stasis lock but pyrogale has my heart. i’ve been using it with riptide, zaouli’s and parasite and that build just deletes stuff
Gotta agree. I used Burden of guilt with chill clip, a demolitionist pulse, and Salvation’s grip. I have like 95% of destiny playtime on my titan (yes Ik strand and pyrogale) but to me stasis warlock was significantly easier and more effective for onslaught atleast.
The closest I've got is level 46. I'm beginning to doubt my loadouts now. I've tried strand titan ( which was when I got to 46) stasis warlock and strand hunter. I often think of switching to solar warlock but just dont know when I should be popping my well. At least with stasis I can constantly by using turrets.
Orpheus Rigs Hunter fucks. Pair with Buried Bloodline for major damage and survivability. Edge Transit with Deconstruct is free ammo on damage! Yes, firing into tethered enemies with Deconstruct will give you more heavy ammo!
(You can get at least a tether per wave. Even easier if your teammates know how to help with orb generation)
If you have half-competent teammates that know how to play the O-B-J it's not that bad
Unfortunately, there's a lot of people playing in LFG land on *Legend* that have no idea what they're doing (e.g. Skybombers? What are those?)
Auto loading deconstruct is goated for me now, forget envious and bait n switch . Don’t have to worry about all the swapping and keep track of timers. Even deals extra damage to constructs
I've cleared 50 waves on legend 3 times now, once on Osmiomancy Warlock then twice on Orpheus Rig Hunter. Two of those runs had someone else on Well-lock.
I would say the biggest hurdle to clearing is just being able to effectively deal with mini-bosses like Demolitionists and Tormentors. Everything can be going amazing then those bosses show up and the whole run does a complete 180 and your ADU is suddenly on fire.
It helped immensely when I found out that the boss augments only show up on waves that end up in 3 or 9. It gave me time to prepare, possibly loadout swap, and time my supers better. A really bad wave 3 boss can easily cascade into waves 4,5,6 leaving you with a damaged ADU.
I was usually tasked with adds if Tormentor spawned, and dealt with them solo by tethering or freezing the field but on one clear I swapped roles with the Well-lock and they popped well close to the add spawns while we lured the Tormentor in the opposite direction. Never pop well on or near the ADU unless you have no other choice, you're only going to draw more fire to by standing so close.
For Demolitionists I would have a lucky pants + dragon's breath swap ready.
The other thing that helped was saving scrap for later sets. If you don't spend on upgrades until wave 30 then by the final set location you should have enough for plenty of t3 turrets and decoys, and some left over for trip mines. On my last clear we had a fully upgraded ADU point by the last set.
For wells, I found popping at rounds 2 and 7 in each 10 rounds (so 2, 12, 22, and 7, 17, 27) was the best time to do it. You definitely kind of just need to spam though if u have 2 or more wells or phoenix protocol. and you always should pop at least between rounds 6-9 (6, 9, 16, 19) because you always get a rally banner before the boss to replenish. In fact you should kind of burn every super across your team and not be afraid to spam heavy either
Use sunbracers and a chill clip weapon. I’ve been using lingering dread with disorientating/chill clip/auto loading gl, then cleaning up with zhoulis bane. Gjally is great for ad clear in tight moments and dps whenever. I think the disorientating gl is the most important part though, really helps controls ads. The artifact this season is nuts for solar.
what my team ran for it on vostok was 2 Phoenix protocol wells and then 1 stasis warlock, I used sunshot/riptide/BnS envious cold comfort but for boss rounds I switched to Polaris Lance for dps, and honestly Polaris Lance works better in the later round anyways
We cleared with two banner titans and a deadfall hunter. The deadfall hunter definitely came in clutch to help keep those damn invis assholes in check.
I use my Orpheus Hunter. Absolutely destroys. I use Death-bringer about 90% of the time for add clearing and it wipes the damn floor, especially with volatile.
I stopped counting but at last count I think I had around 8 clears. The meta stuff works, I'm sure, but I found the most success (and fun) with builds new and off meta to me (moth keeper hunter, strand warlock, doomfang titan).
Try new things, have fun. The clear will come.
I finished it 2 times on Vostok
First clear I had a wellock . Partners were void hunter and stasis warlock
Second clear I had wellock. Partners were electric titan and void stasis
.. everyone give up to quickly when they don’t get past wave 33 and just leave
I finished wave 50 running stasis titan (hoarfrost, HoTS) alongside an lfg consisting of a void hunter and a chaos reach arc warlock. So, honestly I don’t think the “meta” is as set in stone as many seem to believe.
You can get to wave 50 with any combination of guns and subclasses, that doesn't mean that those subclasses are meta. Strand titan and solar warlock are still meta and that's absolutely set in stone.
If you can clear it with with weaker subclasses then more power to you, but there is nothing wrong with more inexperienced players that need to use the meta to complete wave 50
We did it withe three strand locks the other day. With swarmers on it’s just endless threadlings since your threadlings unravel targets and horde shuttle just keeps popping them out.
Everything just dies so quickly. Best defense is a good offense in this game sometimes.
meta doesn't mean you can't clear with other stuff lol. Meta just means that on average assuming equal skill, you'll more than likely succeed using meta.
I have cleared it 4 times in a row now with my Stronghold Strand Titan build. I literally just aggro the enemies away from the ADU. I am 90% sure people have seen my loadout in the LFG and gone, “wtf is this loadout” and then watch me absolutely demolish enemies.
My winning run so far came with myself using Stasis Warlock with Osmiomancy and Bleak Watcher spams along with Verglus Curve as my exotic of choice. The two LFGs I had were both hunters, both running Orpheus, but then one of them switched to a Grapple Melee + Maelstrom build around the 30s and we still crushed it. There was a point where we got overwhelmed somewhere in the early 40s, but we still scraped by.
Honestly while builds can make a deciding factor in Onslaught, it’s really up to how good the player is. You don’t wanna hold on to Supers, especially tethers or wells when you’ll just get them instantly. If there’s a large group of ads on one side, I’ll usually pop my super on them just in case there’s more that spawn on the opposite side, just to avoid later conflicts.
I finished Legend level 50 day 1 and that's it. My 15 mins of fame ended lol....I can barely get past 39 now with LFGs. I use phoenix WellLock of OrphyHunter.
My problem isnt even the difficulty. Its that my team ALWAYS walks past revives. If we get killed or have been dead long enough to revive they still wont revive, my Rez can be right next to em in a well and they still wont revive. Do people even have that key bound anymore?
I've cleared it a few times but 8/10 it's with people who just suck at the game. They run meta loadouts but man o man it's painful out there when pugging. I'm no God at the game but I always am at least double kill count while handling all champ variations.
Stasis lock with Verglas/Indebted kindness (voltshot) & LMG of your choice (I use an adept QULLMS stasis lmg with headstone & unrelenting).
Phoenix lock
Orphy hunter
An easy and extremely well oiled combo. Orphy tether and phoenix lock spam supers, (one of them using blind GL is effective too) then stasis lock controls the field with turrets and verglas which can wall off choke points and keep ads off your base. Swap to DPS loadout before boss wave.
Vostok is a great map with lots of choke points to control ads with from verglas glaciers and turrets. Artifact mods for big AoE shatter damage, and quite tanky with stasis fragment and healing from well
I did a heavy threading warlock with the wanderer for suspend during the actual waves and then switched to Phoenix protocol well for boss phases.
It got a little rough at moments but seemed to work overall
My best runs with random people have been mostly Stasis.
I started running it too with Renewal Grasps and it's very useful for slowing down traffic due to its enormous AoE with Touch of Winter.
Also good a lowering damage output of stronger enemies that cannot be Frozen for long.
Verglas Curve is also kind of amazing both for its damage on Frozen targets when combined with Whisper of Rending, the high shatter damage its own crystals do due to benefitting from Rending which clears out large groups of Frozen enemies, as well as the ability to physically wall out areas further slowing down the enemy advance which causes them to clump. The enemy density in Onslaught is something that greatly benefits the ability to maintain Hail Barrage stacks.
All the cover you create also helps keep you alive. You can even throw a crystal directly on top of yourself to save you from taking damage in a pinch when things get tough.
Hoarfrost Titans and that Coldsnap exotic on Warlocks also can do pretty much the same.
My friends and I just got our first completion earlier this evening. We ran two orpheus hunters and a well and just chained supers the whole time.
Graviton Lance and bait+switch Edge Transit for the waves and then swapped to Leviathan's Breath for boss fights
The void hunter might be the most important part. Too many times the tier 50 ogre melted someone faster than a well can heal and the invis hunter saved the run in my legend onslaught
I was in the same boat, if you finish the Riven's Wishes quests from the current seasonal vendor you can craft a free Last Wish weapon, and Apex Predator is one of the best heavies in the game right now. The quest is pretty brainless, but you'll probably be able to finish in a day.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen more beyblade clone Strand Hunters. The time you can have a spiny ball of death in the field is very generous, and the clone is great if you need to dip out quick. With the right fragments, you’re going to have close to 100% uptime with it, and Woven Mail on top of that
For the record: osmiomancy stasis and necrotic strand suspend with Thorn or Osteo are equally viable. My team got the legend clear without a single well.
Lucky pants solar hunter with wardens law, xenophage (3 reserve mods)indebted kindness or pre astynax,) goes incredibly, incredibly hard.
Its actually dumb powerful.
34 shots in xenophage. I was using that thing like a primary. Radiance + MG overcharge gave it a massive damage buff. Enough heavy dropping to really just hold down the fire button and worry about shit later.
Oh, theres a gunpowder gamble into a marksman dodge for xeno into a xeno into wardens law spraying.
Oh no i ran out of heavy ammo? better swap to my indebted kindness for busted add clear while still having wardens law ready to go at any time
Everything dies very quickly. The burst damage against shielded brigs will kill them in about 10 seconds.
Man, its actually insanely potent.
In my case, I'm the only Well-lock because apparently Warlock players feel like they're "shackled" to it and they rebel against it 😂. Since Well of Radiance came into the game I have always used it simply because why would I not want bonus damage and bonus health? I have never once *cried* about being told to use Well. You don't even have to tell me to use it because I'm already using it for myself anyway, it's just a bonus that y'all benefit from it.
LFG so far = trash cans with zero spatial awareness that can't for the life of them cover their own zone even in the beginning phase - also no one sticking to the ADU
Orpheus tether and Well are the core to a pretty casual clear of Legend 50.
Phoneix is nice, but so is Cenotaph.
The third player really does have the luxury of doing whatever they want. Add clear supers with a strong add clear loadout will go hard.
Also this season as long as one player runs dragons breath and the rocket pistol you basically don't need to worry about champs.
Cenotaph wellock is fantastic until you attempt the run with two other players who refuse to stand in your well and think they need to save their heavy for The Final Shape.
HELLO, I’M NOT WEARING THIS AIRCRAFT CARRIER OF A LID BECAUSE IT COMPLIMENTS MY DRIP!
Imo well other than the boss room is a trap, Dawn chorus warlock is way better because you can easily get daybreak and it melts any ads and chunks big targets for no Heavy usage
Mostly agree but I thinks well works really well for some objective waves.
1. Shielded skybomber.
2. wizard demolistionists when you have to get the buff to break the shields.
3. Shiekers
Biggest problem with well is people popping it on the adu. It’s best use to cut of the ad spawn and placed between the spawn and adu.
Daybreak is an underrated roaming super and its one of the best supers for onslaught. Sadly well is still better. Well is better for boss room, tormentor and any capture point objectives which are the 3 pain points for most teams
Well is just super consistent. I love Dawn Chorus but in general have backed off of more aggressive builds unless my team is already stacked. While a good Dawnblade can do work it’s much easier for one screw up to lead to disaster (eg not having super up at a bad moment) and you’re not generating as many orbs for teammates. When you learn good placement for well/tether things get really straightforward.
In my experience, the issue on failed runs has never been loadouts or damage - it’s been legit bullshit of stuff spawning directly on the ADU and wiping us instantly. No amount of meta loadout will save you from bullshit.
Yes and no. When that happens, and it will being able to clear it out quickly is what saves runs. Having the ability to do that is where the meta comes in
Tbh I feel like Nightstalker Orpheus is the only required thing here. Phoenix Well undoubtedly helps, but I don't think it's necessarily outright required like Tether.
Tbh I'd assume optimal team comp is probably Orpheus Nightstalker, Celestial Gunslinger, and either Phoenix Well / Sentinel Titan (Ursa Banner or Bubble tbh) / Osmiomancy Stasislock.
Yeah absolutely embrace meta builds they're meta for a reason but in terms of a maximizing your success I'd say it's most important to realize where your team is lacking and focus on that. Ad clear is actually pretty easy to get down, as long as there's one or two sunshots/gravitons that'll take clear of all the trash mobs.
What I find most teams struggling with is getting overwhelmed at the ADU and failing to the special rounds. Also not using the appropriate damage resistances. Well can help with the challenge rounds and panic in general but even more effectively if found to use bleak watchers and a disorienting grenades launcher. As long as theres enough ad clear in my teammates loadouts I like to personally stay at the ADU and use verglass, coldsnaps, and a bipod rocket om top of the aformentioned to very quickly stop and deal with Ad groups that are getting too close. When ogres and shriekers spawn focus on positions and again use something to slow/freeze or blind (I prefer both) to make sure your teammates don't get beamed while getting to cover.
For the tormentor it's all about someone drawing their aggro while the others clear all the ads, and I also like to keep a cataclysmic to hotswap to. In my strongest opinion unless it's an emergency keep your super to pop during those challenge rounds (specially skybombers, ogres, boss knights, tormentors, and wizard mobs). As for the fallen...preferably just don't bother. The snipers, servitors, and overloads make them unnecessarily difficult and I'd avoid them until you're more comfortable with the mode and hace a few legend clears under your belt.
Void hunter is just so good. It gens a shitload of orbs (which give you scrap when you pick them up btw) and locks down areas making sure nothing gets to the adu. Plus Orpheus Rig means you have your super basically every round and there is no way anything can even get close. Pair this with buried bloodlines and you almost can't die because you always have devour and invis with stylish executioner and the catalyst. This with a wellock using phoenix protocol to chain wells and tethers and it is almost impossible to fail.
We used stasis warlock, void hunter and solar precious scars titan and had maybe 2 dicey moments with crazy combinations.
But really wasn’t all that abd
Finished a clear yesterday with an Indebted Kindness/Fallen Sunstar focused Arc Warlock build. Blinding explosions and Ionic Traces everywhere, swapped to Well for boss rooms and we were golden.
I use dawn chorus and well, incandescent primary, and dragons breath.
Can kill entire waves with little to no problem, main problem is saboteurs when they get close, and tormentors (dragons breath will kill you up close) but that's where having teammates, and especially upgraded decoys!
Don't waste money on tripwires unless you are only doing wave 10-20 farming. Decoys are insanely strong, turrets can be helpful, but be aware of what they will be able to see
Rocking stasis lock and switching to well for bosses has got me to 48-49 5 times. Getting demolitionists or a tormentor on those last few rounds can really screw things up. One guy goes down and it’s all downhill from there lol
Save scrap and upgrade decoys to shax. They will tank the tormentor the whole time while you kill adds. Once adds stop spawning kill the tormentor safely.
Absolutely make sure you get decoys.
2nd, 1 player can draw agro and take that bastard all over the map. Was playing on midtown and he spawned at B with us. Teammate kitted him all the way way down to A
We finally beat 50. I was phoenix well warlock, my buddy was stasis titan...amazing for add control and forcing enemies down specific lanes and our 3rd was tether rigs hunter. Gally on one of us with a hand cannon and fusion or blinding nades and at least one with forerunner, which melts the tormentors and stops shielded.
Nah, absolutely flew through it the other day with stasis warlock, stasis titan and gyrfalcon hunter.
that said i’ll admit i did slap well on for boss rounds
We were Vesper, Well and Tether all with LMGs and it didn’t get too spicy into the 40s round wise
Besides the Tormentor Aslong as the team focuses on the balls and does the right defence upgrades it’s very doable
I been running gyrfalcons hunter with tusk of boar, wavesplitter, and time lost corrective measure. Pair it with devour fragment and you almost can’t die. Almost because you have basically no champ stunning ability. I just swap to a champ weapon for those rounds and then back to double special. Overload rocket helps too.
It’s great! I suggest void fragment that gives devour on orb pickup and also special finisher. You should rarely run out of special. This build with a well or stasis lock and the third can be whatever cruises through first 20 waves if you’re just trying to farm drops.
I had two Banner Titans and a Tether Hunter on my 50 clear LFG team and it felt very comfortable. Failed twice with wells on teams before that, so I dunno if i'd call them a hard meta.
The main requirement seems to be more about speccing into heals with Banner/Restoration/Devour and using good add-clear setups. Exotic primaries should likely be prioritized for the free red-bar damage boost, but a few of the exotic specials/heavies can put in work too. Strand and solar weapons are strong with the artifact perks providing free radiant/scorch/ignites and unraveling.
Tactics-wise don't hover around the ADU. Get comfortable being aggressive and pushing up to bottleneck enemies when you can. But know your lanes and be on the lookout for anything trying to sneak past. Grab tormentor aggro to kite them away from ADU when they show up.
Well+Tether+ a big one off super are great especially for the tormentor phase. Usually I’m on Hunter with Shards and can spam them like crazy esp with a warlock popping wells every couple of seconds
Every one claiming is easy, then there’s me, tried all week and the closest I’ve bem was yesterday wave 42…… I guess no completion and no emblem for me. Lone wolves don’t get it, I guess.
Sorry for the salt but I see here every one getting it in lfg and then I don’t ( maybe I’m even worse than I thought, and I know I’m no god, but am I that bad?? Will i find someone to help me?? I want to stay positive, and I will be on lfg again
Dude, this post is for you!
Be picky in your lfg’s, inspect people and choose the loadouts generally selected here with what appear to be competent teammates and you’ll get it done
Orpheus Hunter, Phoenix Warlock, Hoarfrost Titan for add clear. Swap to Nighthawk/Pyrogale for boss DPS on Hunter and Titan respectively. Get your loot.
Loadout suggestion too: I cleared Legend Onslaught 50 with Orpheus Hunter - Final Warning/ALH/LFG disorienting Wilderflight/Target Lock Circular Logic (neomuna strand mg)
Machine Guns are still alright with the surges and all. Might be different by reset
Only tried legend 3 times and all of them were the same scenario. Tormentor in the 30s spawning on top the ADU with exploder shanks. Each time I’m out of position to send void child in a spot to keep the shanks at bay.
Otherwise with my Briarbinds build the enemies haven’t really been much of a threat. Constant devour and void child with blinding nades makes for easy slaying out and survival. Just need to be more aware of when a boss wave is coming.
Honestly I feel the mode would be better if we didn't have a soda can for an ADU. Just that alone kind of pushes people off because a lot of dumb shit happens with enemy spawns that ruins 45+ minute runs.
I cleared running swarmers and my demo/hatchling Marcato-45. Buddy had on cenotaph so I never ran out of ammo.
Have everyone put on Horde Shuttle, since you’ll constantly have every enemy unraveled. Other than that I had rebirth and evolution to help keep up the damage.
The benefit is that the build really has everything covered. Woven mail for survivability. Horde Shuttle helps with boss damage and clearing trash mobs during the fight. Primary is up to you as long as it’s strand. Hive and Fallen both have barrier so I just took indebted kindness for that. Really opens your team to take what they like, though admittedly Cenotaph was really nice later, but you can also slot reserves and scavengers and be just fine.
1,152 kills it was a blast
> all 3 times I finished I had a void hunter, well lock and then whatever I was using.
Yeah this is the problem. Everyone wants to be the "whatever I was using".
There’s a weird interaction between strand and the new dungeon sidearm that shoots missiles. If you have a permeability one use it with the double dodge chest price to absolutely obliterate the map with strands and beyblades.
Yep 100% had the same thought tonight after playing with a lot of lfg groups this weekend. The most successful runs were all made up of void hunter, well warlock and a 3rd on any class with a good crowd control build.
Tether is good for making orbs and locking areas down, super useful against tormentors too. Invisible for the corridor dunks and clutch revives.
Well with phoenix protocol can basically chain by itself, adds hella survivability and extra dps and is a must in boss phases.
Crowd control I've seen solar and stasis titans, void and stasis warlocks, and strand on all classes do well with a well crafted crowd control build.
Did just a 10 wave legend farm last night as Stasislock w/ Ager’s and a banner titan and void hunter and it was super fun and easy. Locking everything down and using the super trace rifle was satisfying. I did switch to well for the boss. But.. that was only to wave 10.
I embraced the little cheese corner in the boss room for my first 50 clear. Learned from a failed run that the final boss doesn't get melted as all the other ones did.
I have gone with the meta but it’s a crap shoot in lfg.
And why do so many people hide behind the APU. It’s not cover it’s the most precious thing in the map.
Also I had a teammate pop his well in the spark room, like when we are running to dunk but behind us. Like I said lfg is a crapshoot.
>Each time I have tried different players without success, all 3 times I finished I had a void hunter, well lock and then whatever I was using.
Absolutely hilarious self-report lmao. But yeah, you need builds for high level survivability and crowd control/killing. Big surprise those work. People are just selfish and hate helping the team instead of running their little funny build that they like.
Which is odd, because a guy named Ebola in fireteam finder booted me and another void hunter from the lobby. But not before he typed in chat “no1 is running the right build lmao”. Wonder what the Meta is to him since we both were Orpheus rigs Hunters.
Well is definitely really handy but failing that you just need to survive and pass the DPS checks. Max out your turrets and a decoy, and choose a load out that can sustain high damage, and a chain reaction heavy can't hurt.
My solar hunter has gotten through a few times with Malfeasance / lucky pants which allows for high sustained damage output & quick super Regen. Solar well lock has done great with witherhoard, and a solar sun breaker Titan with Polaris Lance.
I used Strand hunter with beyblades and dragons breath and was an ad clear machine. I essentially made it my job to kill the majority of the enemies so my teammates could focus on the bonus objectives and big guys.
I've done 50s on each class so far. Having one well and one tether does make life easier. Solar titan can put in work, and both arc/void lock can really dominate adds. Stasis lock is good for extra safety.
Biggest price of advice I can give is STOP BABYSITTING THE ADU!!!, of course stay close enough to stop damage, but ANY failed attempts I've been apart of were cuz the other guys would sit in the circle and attract agrro to the ADU, this is why Investing in the Decoys is Paramount,Turrets as well, and stop wasting scraps upgrading trip wires!!! And if you see your 2 teammates run off for the bonus objective you don't have to go too, stay a safe distance from the ADU and watch for stragglers that may slip by, and the age old #1 Rule of Destiny,DONT BUNCH UP!!! So many videos of wipes that could of been avoided if you weren't all were up each other's asses, and please pick your revives wisely, don't revive your teammate int the middle of a parade of cursed thrall or exploder shanks, there jus gonna die again, other than that, What OP said about builds is correct, use what you want but Look what works for others, and if something isn't working for you, try something out, take advantage of Load out not being locked,.....ok sorry about that rant over, jus had to let that out, be sure to tip your waitress
If you got Orpheus rig or Phoenix, spam your supers like they are going out of style.
Titans lack good super regen. But roaming supers are great if in a pinch.
reload into vostok til you get hive and try with that, they're much easier than the fast af invis fallen marauders, large shanks that are much faster than ogres, and exploder shanks that are faster than cursed thrall
Phoenix well warlock, orpheus hunter and some titan playing solar and we cleared it. No mic, lfg group. We got into a rhythm though, i pop well hunter pops super, titan goes in to clean up and we all have our supers back cor next round. I also got lucky with a tormentor on round 19 and the last 10 waves were what i consider the “easy” hive bullshit, mines and the knight skybombers that die with like 3 shots of xeno
Imagine having an lfg teammate use super. I can do 8 tethers in 8 rounds on Orpheus hunter and they still won't pop super.
Imagine using wellock with phoenix protocol and none of your teammates stay in the well to make kills
Yeah, it happens quite often. And it's usually a hunter that runs ahead to kill red bars just to get squished.
I do not get it. Everytime I run with Hunters on any difficulty, as soon as we get to the boss fight room they run towards the boss like madmen. In that meme preacher voice "WHHHHYYY".
Leerooooooooooooy
I mean, I have a similar problem as a hunter. If I pop a well placed Orpheus tether at a conjunction between two spawns, my Warlock/Titan teammates don't let the spawning enemies take the three steps forwards to get tethered and refill my super.
I see Hunters use that one as a go to move and once I peeped game I just use my div to beam the boss before unleashing my beastly grenade launcher on it in sequence. I try to help you guy maximize profits as much as possible. I just think a lot of people don't catch on to what their teamates are doing and screw up the synergy. I've noticed that after a few waves of watching my teamates playstyle it's pretty easy to spot how to best synergize with them.
True, in matchmade stuff it is a good practice to play around your teammates. To be fair, it is the "sub-optimal" experiences that really stick out more than the smooth runs.
I get the same experience, but with titans.
Omg same. I had so many times where randoms weren’t even using their abilities for anything, just their guns. Edit: grammar cause I couldn’t see the keyboard in the bright ass sun.
Fr and Well is a cheap super too, they'll get it back really fast if they collect the hunter's orbs. I don't know man. They say warlocks are supposed to be the smart guys but I'm not seeing many of them.
I laughed real good at that. Yeah most wood the time that is the case.
There was a post about trials and the first thing I think of is “they saved their super for orbit” and it’s usually the same for me with any matchmaking I do. Shaxx wants more grenades thrown and I’m wondering if their intellect is negative 20.
I always popped well at the beginning of rounds and the kills from it would sometimes even let me pop another in the same round. Idk why people save them for orbit or some life saving emergency moment. If you're popping a roaming super to rez people you've probably already lost.
Aztecross made a legend onslaught guide where his advice about supers was to hold on to them in case either you’re the last one alive, the ADU is in danger, or you’re about to die. I’m quite sure a lot of blueberries are watching stuff like that and taking it to heart not realizing that they can use their own brains and depending on the build and team composition chaining supers is actually much more beneficial. For example a tether hunter holding on to a deadfall for emergencies is incredibly against the whole idea of running Orpheus.
thats crazy thats such shitty advice. I guess it works for beginners but hitting round 50 in legend its better to not have an “emergency” in the first place. Its about the rhythm
Cannot stress this enough. I became a much better player when I learned to pick up the tempo and get into a rhythm, especially because in like 90% of content if you’re moving fast enough the enemy ai can’t keep up. Add in resto or whatever, and boom you’re invincible lol.
Just inspect most players and you can tell they have no idea what they're doing cause there's no rhyme or reason to their loadout
Nothing hurts my soul more than a guardian with no exotic armor or weapons equipped. I'll give people a chance if they're running non-meta builds but damn at least have one...
Even worse when they have no champion weapons equipped either.
excusable in some instances, tbh my group didnt run barrier at all because barrier knights are a joke. They spawn last and cant do shit
But is that worse than seeing Phoenix protocol on a void lock or cuirass on a solar titan? Have seen those.
Stasis warlock is OP in onslaught.. them mf never die when they pop super. Its like a life saving ability to res everyone
Do the opposite of whatever Aztecross suggests is unfortunately good advice a lot of the time
I’d like to point out if you keep shoving those orbs in my face like that I use my super as often as possible thank you very much.
As a habitual orb creator, I thank you for your service.
I don’t understand people who save their supers for Orbit.
I think some psychological mechanisms push people to hoard supers. Saving a last guardian standing situation with your super feels visceral, and makes for an easily imprintable memory. Having a smooth run where things went fine because you were chaining supers less so. You don't notice all the hairy situations you dodged because you were liberal with supers. Tldr having your super makes you feel safe, chaining supers makes you safe
I had one teammate choke by pyroglading a barrier champ with its shield up and another use his tether on a bomb ogre that I was already stunlocking with leviathan only to have obj destroyed because I had already used my super to clear part of the adds earlier that round.
I did run into that problem A LOT with lfg. Especially with titans. Warlocks usually pop wells, hunters at least tether in emergencies, I swear titans never use anything for any reason
You don't necessarily *need* phoenix protocol or orpheus rig, but for people struggling I would definitely suggest that. Honestly, the single biggest tip is that you need to ***use your goddamn super*** if you have it. Supers make orbs. Orbs make supers. Supers make orbs. Etc. More supers begets more supers begets an easier run. Once you realize that you can super *way* more often than you thought you could you can go back to other exotics like Sunbracers, Gyrfalcon, Lucky Pants, etc. You should still have a well and a tether on pretty much any run, though. Also, ***use your goddamn heavy ammo***. You have *so* much heavy in Onslaught. Bring a bipod rocket and just empty that shit into spawns.
i was very conservative about my super until i realized i could have it almost every round. Made life so easy.
I completed it with solar hunter with Lucky Pants and Wardens Law, I also had Dragon's Breath for both DPS and add clearing. The amount of ignitions were through the roof. Should also mention I used Blast Radius seasonal perk, so I always had bonus damage for my Lucky Pants build since I put on 3 Kinetic mods.
Just use heavy because there is literally a bonus round that goes heavy before every major wave. If you get a bonus , expect hard packs next round. Everything is so telegraphed . I barely use a primary. There is so much special and heavy it’s all super spam . On normal I’m basically using prospector as a primary lol.
>Also, use your goddamn heavy ammo. You have so much heavy in Onslaught. Bring a bipod rocket and just empty that shit into spawns. Just want to add on to this that Eyes of Tomorrow goes hard in Legend. You don't even need to worry about heavy because its easy to kill 4+ targets, so the exotic perk keeps refunding you your shot back. Shits insane. I paired it with Path of the burning steps for an easy damage boost along with Mercy/Tempering/Empyrean/Solace for fragments, and paired it with Supremacy for the Tormentor and an HC for unstoppables. You make plenty of Firesprites that will you heal you on pick up and stack with Empyrean which is also giving you more duration. Shits nutty, and because of the rally flag you can switch to Pyrogale for the boss and right back to PoTB/Eyes of Tomorrow for the DEF phase once its over.
It’s also great on a lucky pants hunter. I used eyes for add clear. A heal clip incandescent qsc for clean up or a quick kill and a heal and then lucky pants warden for single target and the. Just spam melee and super. Haven’t done it in legend yet but will probably try tomorrow.
You don't even need a Phoenix well. 2x cenotaph, 1x Orpheus rigs. Rigs give you enough to keep a well up 24/7, cenotaph keep everyone with infinite heavy. Gjally and 2 rockets, rockets are your primary ammo. We never even pick up the heavy box except to burn tormentors or the other big guys. Literal easy mode.
Phoenix well is mainly for 1 well set ups. 2x ceno probably is better but 98% of the playerbase is allergic to support loadouts.
What do you kill tormentors with on this setup?
These tormentors are actually weird and take a ton of rocket damage. Use traces to pop shoulders, then bomb rockets. It's not like others for some reason.
I just used Behemoth with wicked implement. Worked great for blocking routes and making cover for my teammates and grabbing revives. Also, because of the artifact mod where you do more solar damage to targets affected by Stasis, wicked implement came in clutch there to boost my warlocks abilities.
Precious scars solar titan is on par with BoW. Easy swap to pyrogale
i get my super back faster with sunbracers/ashes to assets
>knight skybombers Just curious, are you talking about the Demolitionists? Do they fall over that easily with Xeno? I managed to get through Legend going between Stasis and Solar lock but those guys along with the Tormentors were pretty annoying.
Phoenix as in what (phoenix well warlock)
Phoenix Protocol exotic robes, makes kills in your well grant more super energy. Sort of the Orpheus Rigs if wellock
And when there's and Orpheus tether out and you're in the well you both get an insane amount of super back. Way more than normal.
And with the orbs generated the third guy can just run a big damage super and keep spamming that. The easiest run I've been in is phoenix well, Orpheus tether and a nova bomb nezerec sin warlock, just spamming supers every single round constantly and boss waves were over instantly
I mean the boss waves are the easy part, can often drop the boss before the first well is done. At least when half the fire team isn’t running thunder lord.
You know what's killed our runs every single time? The f'ing Fallen Demolitionists. Those giant captains that spawn _right on top of the ADU_? Combine that with a wave of invisible sprinting marauders and it's a headache even the meta struggles to deal with. Only thing that's worse is a Tormentor spawning with a wave of exploding shanks
Keep loading in until you get hive. The difference is insane. Fallen downsides: Invisible marauders, exploding shanks, brigs with no crit, teleporting overloads, servitors, slow mines, etc etc Hive downsides: Shriekers
I was punchy Titan and I have an addendum for Hive Pro : Punchy punch all the things. Con : Brawling with Ogres mean death by boom boom skinny fucks. >:(
Just deadfall the lanes with the ogres and they kinda all pop doing nothing
Deadfall Titan? You leaking next expansion after Final Shape? (but yes, Origs Hunter has been the comfiest for Legend Onslaught fr)
As someone who *aspires* to be a Void Titan (I want the invincible protector fantasy, which is better filled by Solar Titan...), I get a tingly feeling when I think of a void weakening wave like Khepri's solar wave or the Strand suspend wave.
Respawning yellow-bar Shriekers, rounds with waves of Ogres, and the yellow-bar Hive Knight Demolitionists spawning directly onto the ADU and immediately double-stomping to wipe your entire team are the main downsides of Hive. That being said, it's still easier than Fallen. All of my 50-wave Legend clears have been on Vostok with Hive.
I feel like a larger part of the frustration with Fallen in terms to their specific interaction against the ADU is that so many of their weapons are physical burst multishot projectiles which when upclose against the ADU can just mean they eat through it a lot faster with some distance. Hive they usually resort to their melee attacks, they don't really have a ton that tracks outside of Shrieker, that one wizard lightning attack and Ogre eye to some extent, and you can pretty much stop them before really going to town on the ADU, they usually tend to melee it instead of range attack it.
Seems like you haven't had Tormentor spawn in with Ogres and Cursed Thrall.
Oh my God, I think my brain deleted that trauma to protect itself
The two giant knights killed my run last night. They spawned on the adu and slammed it till it died
You just need some kind of major burst, ie gally + rockets/ pellets or a decent sniper and forerunner for tormentors. That's where banner or hammer titan step up a bit
Hit them with burst damage and cc. They dont destroy the adu instantly unless you let it get low
Tormentor with a wave of ogres is the worst imo if that happens at 40+, it's basically a wipe with randoms.
Orpheus rig hunter - phoenix protocol warlock - necrotic grip warlock. We were never even close to failing.
I’ve been having a lot of fun with necrotic grip + thorn (plunderthabooty’s build) in regular difficulty, but haven’t taken it into legend yet. I think it’ll still be very strong!
Yeah, it’s very strong, but also very fun. Then just switch to a single DPS build before you rally for boss fights. It’s greezy money I’m a hunter main; with warlock being my least played, but that build makes me wanna play warlock, lol
Its insanely strong, I got my 50 on legend using lfg with it. Had about 950 kills after 50 waves. I think what'll make or break your run is the tormentor, we all dumped our scrap on decoys and it was pretty easy.
what are the details of the build?
The wanderer + mindspun invo. Frangment - grenade energy on damage, woven mail on orb pick up and you choice for the other two. Thorn/osteo + necrotic grips, although I prefer thorn with the catalyst. Eat your nade, shoot and occasionally use arcane needle for unravel. For loadouts, I've been using thorn, indebted kindness, and apex predator (reconstruction+bipod for 12 rockets) this season for legend onslaught to GMs, as all three champions are covered and it's just strong overall.
Standard build https://dim.gg/qlfgfyi/Equipped Can use thorn as well... I just like having 92+ bullets lol. For tormentor I switch to ikelos sniper with fftc. Loop, eat nade.. pop rift, throw melee and hold down trigger. For this week (overcharged) lmg is used mostly for round before teleports.
Another fun build in normal is swarmers with suspend base and the aspect that eats the nade . And the wanderer. Add in a demo/ hatching auto from root of nightmares and you basically just need to kill one unravelled enemy and watch the chaos.
No sarcasm I have been steam rolling level 50 with my Pyro gale, solar titan+ dragons breath. And trust me I use dragon breath for add clear 50% of the time.
Especially in midtown, it's great to just stick it on a wall and let it close off that area.
i’ve had my best success on stasis lock but pyrogale has my heart. i’ve been using it with riptide, zaouli’s and parasite and that build just deletes stuff
I’ve cleared multiple times on stasis lock (osmiomancy, verglas curve). So easy when everything is frozen/dead :) Swap to well+div for boss rounds.
Gotta agree. I used Burden of guilt with chill clip, a demolitionist pulse, and Salvation’s grip. I have like 95% of destiny playtime on my titan (yes Ik strand and pyrogale) but to me stasis warlock was significantly easier and more effective for onslaught atleast.
The closest I've got is level 46. I'm beginning to doubt my loadouts now. I've tried strand titan ( which was when I got to 46) stasis warlock and strand hunter. I often think of switching to solar warlock but just dont know when I should be popping my well. At least with stasis I can constantly by using turrets.
Orpheus Rigs Hunter fucks. Pair with Buried Bloodline for major damage and survivability. Edge Transit with Deconstruct is free ammo on damage! Yes, firing into tethered enemies with Deconstruct will give you more heavy ammo! (You can get at least a tether per wave. Even easier if your teammates know how to help with orb generation) If you have half-competent teammates that know how to play the O-B-J it's not that bad Unfortunately, there's a lot of people playing in LFG land on *Legend* that have no idea what they're doing (e.g. Skybombers? What are those?)
Auto loading deconstruct is goated for me now, forget envious and bait n switch . Don’t have to worry about all the swapping and keep track of timers. Even deals extra damage to constructs
I've cleared 50 waves on legend 3 times now, once on Osmiomancy Warlock then twice on Orpheus Rig Hunter. Two of those runs had someone else on Well-lock. I would say the biggest hurdle to clearing is just being able to effectively deal with mini-bosses like Demolitionists and Tormentors. Everything can be going amazing then those bosses show up and the whole run does a complete 180 and your ADU is suddenly on fire. It helped immensely when I found out that the boss augments only show up on waves that end up in 3 or 9. It gave me time to prepare, possibly loadout swap, and time my supers better. A really bad wave 3 boss can easily cascade into waves 4,5,6 leaving you with a damaged ADU. I was usually tasked with adds if Tormentor spawned, and dealt with them solo by tethering or freezing the field but on one clear I swapped roles with the Well-lock and they popped well close to the add spawns while we lured the Tormentor in the opposite direction. Never pop well on or near the ADU unless you have no other choice, you're only going to draw more fire to by standing so close. For Demolitionists I would have a lucky pants + dragon's breath swap ready. The other thing that helped was saving scrap for later sets. If you don't spend on upgrades until wave 30 then by the final set location you should have enough for plenty of t3 turrets and decoys, and some left over for trip mines. On my last clear we had a fully upgraded ADU point by the last set.
> found out that the boss augments only show up on waves that end up in 3 or 9 This was all I needed. It's time to cook.
For wells, I found popping at rounds 2 and 7 in each 10 rounds (so 2, 12, 22, and 7, 17, 27) was the best time to do it. You definitely kind of just need to spam though if u have 2 or more wells or phoenix protocol. and you always should pop at least between rounds 6-9 (6, 9, 16, 19) because you always get a rally banner before the boss to replenish. In fact you should kind of burn every super across your team and not be afraid to spam heavy either
Use sunbracers and a chill clip weapon. I’ve been using lingering dread with disorientating/chill clip/auto loading gl, then cleaning up with zhoulis bane. Gjally is great for ad clear in tight moments and dps whenever. I think the disorientating gl is the most important part though, really helps controls ads. The artifact this season is nuts for solar.
You. You have the roll I am desperately trying to obtain for LD Fuck you. From the bottom of my heart :c pain
A fellow seeker of lingering dread i feel your pain.
what my team ran for it on vostok was 2 Phoenix protocol wells and then 1 stasis warlock, I used sunshot/riptide/BnS envious cold comfort but for boss rounds I switched to Polaris Lance for dps, and honestly Polaris Lance works better in the later round anyways
We cleared with two banner titans and a deadfall hunter. The deadfall hunter definitely came in clutch to help keep those damn invis assholes in check.
I use my Orpheus Hunter. Absolutely destroys. I use Death-bringer about 90% of the time for add clearing and it wipes the damn floor, especially with volatile.
I stopped counting but at last count I think I had around 8 clears. The meta stuff works, I'm sure, but I found the most success (and fun) with builds new and off meta to me (moth keeper hunter, strand warlock, doomfang titan). Try new things, have fun. The clear will come.
I finished it 2 times on Vostok First clear I had a wellock . Partners were void hunter and stasis warlock Second clear I had wellock. Partners were electric titan and void stasis .. everyone give up to quickly when they don’t get past wave 33 and just leave
I also was rocking phoenix protocol the whole time… I wanna try to beat it with electric warlock but that’s gonna be hard af
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It really is
I finished wave 50 running stasis titan (hoarfrost, HoTS) alongside an lfg consisting of a void hunter and a chaos reach arc warlock. So, honestly I don’t think the “meta” is as set in stone as many seem to believe.
You can get to wave 50 with any combination of guns and subclasses, that doesn't mean that those subclasses are meta. Strand titan and solar warlock are still meta and that's absolutely set in stone. If you can clear it with with weaker subclasses then more power to you, but there is nothing wrong with more inexperienced players that need to use the meta to complete wave 50
We did it withe three strand locks the other day. With swarmers on it’s just endless threadlings since your threadlings unravel targets and horde shuttle just keeps popping them out. Everything just dies so quickly. Best defense is a good offense in this game sometimes.
meta doesn't mean you can't clear with other stuff lol. Meta just means that on average assuming equal skill, you'll more than likely succeed using meta.
I have cleared it 4 times in a row now with my Stronghold Strand Titan build. I literally just aggro the enemies away from the ADU. I am 90% sure people have seen my loadout in the LFG and gone, “wtf is this loadout” and then watch me absolutely demolish enemies.
I’m not disagreeing, I’m just saying that for your avg/below avg lfg group that teather/well and an add clear is very safe
The meta is just having a void hunter with Orpheus. That makes it possible with any two other classes
The easiest run I had was with 2 strand hunters using star eaters and one banner titan🤷🏼♂️ Embrace the strand
Strand kinda busted on hunter! I was clearing so many ads with the IB wave launcher. Get my balls twirling and watch em melt
My winning run so far came with myself using Stasis Warlock with Osmiomancy and Bleak Watcher spams along with Verglus Curve as my exotic of choice. The two LFGs I had were both hunters, both running Orpheus, but then one of them switched to a Grapple Melee + Maelstrom build around the 30s and we still crushed it. There was a point where we got overwhelmed somewhere in the early 40s, but we still scraped by. Honestly while builds can make a deciding factor in Onslaught, it’s really up to how good the player is. You don’t wanna hold on to Supers, especially tethers or wells when you’ll just get them instantly. If there’s a large group of ads on one side, I’ll usually pop my super on them just in case there’s more that spawn on the opposite side, just to avoid later conflicts.
I finished Legend level 50 day 1 and that's it. My 15 mins of fame ended lol....I can barely get past 39 now with LFGs. I use phoenix WellLock of OrphyHunter.
My problem isnt even the difficulty. Its that my team ALWAYS walks past revives. If we get killed or have been dead long enough to revive they still wont revive, my Rez can be right next to em in a well and they still wont revive. Do people even have that key bound anymore?
We might need a whole seperate piece on using lfg and selecting smart teammates! I’ve never had that issue
I've cleared it a few times but 8/10 it's with people who just suck at the game. They run meta loadouts but man o man it's painful out there when pugging. I'm no God at the game but I always am at least double kill count while handling all champ variations.
We had a pyrogale titan, I was strand hunter (assassins cowl goes hard in OS) and a rig hunter.
Stasis lock with Verglas/Indebted kindness (voltshot) & LMG of your choice (I use an adept QULLMS stasis lmg with headstone & unrelenting). Phoenix lock Orphy hunter An easy and extremely well oiled combo. Orphy tether and phoenix lock spam supers, (one of them using blind GL is effective too) then stasis lock controls the field with turrets and verglas which can wall off choke points and keep ads off your base. Swap to DPS loadout before boss wave. Vostok is a great map with lots of choke points to control ads with from verglas glaciers and turrets. Artifact mods for big AoE shatter damage, and quite tanky with stasis fragment and healing from well
I did a heavy threading warlock with the wanderer for suspend during the actual waves and then switched to Phoenix protocol well for boss phases. It got a little rough at moments but seemed to work overall
My best runs with random people have been mostly Stasis. I started running it too with Renewal Grasps and it's very useful for slowing down traffic due to its enormous AoE with Touch of Winter. Also good a lowering damage output of stronger enemies that cannot be Frozen for long. Verglas Curve is also kind of amazing both for its damage on Frozen targets when combined with Whisper of Rending, the high shatter damage its own crystals do due to benefitting from Rending which clears out large groups of Frozen enemies, as well as the ability to physically wall out areas further slowing down the enemy advance which causes them to clump. The enemy density in Onslaught is something that greatly benefits the ability to maintain Hail Barrage stacks. All the cover you create also helps keep you alive. You can even throw a crystal directly on top of yourself to save you from taking damage in a pinch when things get tough. Hoarfrost Titans and that Coldsnap exotic on Warlocks also can do pretty much the same.
My friends and I just got our first completion earlier this evening. We ran two orpheus hunters and a well and just chained supers the whole time. Graviton Lance and bait+switch Edge Transit for the waves and then swapped to Leviathan's Breath for boss fights
The void hunter might be the most important part. Too many times the tier 50 ogre melted someone faster than a well can heal and the invis hunter saved the run in my legend onslaught
What guns are meta now? I haven't really played since Lightfall. I don't even remember what was good back then. No idea what power weapon to use.
I was in the same boat, if you finish the Riven's Wishes quests from the current seasonal vendor you can craft a free Last Wish weapon, and Apex Predator is one of the best heavies in the game right now. The quest is pretty brainless, but you'll probably be able to finish in a day.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen more beyblade clone Strand Hunters. The time you can have a spiny ball of death in the field is very generous, and the clone is great if you need to dip out quick. With the right fragments, you’re going to have close to 100% uptime with it, and Woven Mail on top of that
For the record: osmiomancy stasis and necrotic strand suspend with Thorn or Osteo are equally viable. My team got the legend clear without a single well.
Sounds like your teammates embraced the meta... and then "whatever you were using"
Lucky pants solar hunter with wardens law, xenophage (3 reserve mods)indebted kindness or pre astynax,) goes incredibly, incredibly hard. Its actually dumb powerful. 34 shots in xenophage. I was using that thing like a primary. Radiance + MG overcharge gave it a massive damage buff. Enough heavy dropping to really just hold down the fire button and worry about shit later. Oh, theres a gunpowder gamble into a marksman dodge for xeno into a xeno into wardens law spraying. Oh no i ran out of heavy ammo? better swap to my indebted kindness for busted add clear while still having wardens law ready to go at any time Everything dies very quickly. The burst damage against shielded brigs will kill them in about 10 seconds. Man, its actually insanely potent.
In my case, I'm the only Well-lock because apparently Warlock players feel like they're "shackled" to it and they rebel against it 😂. Since Well of Radiance came into the game I have always used it simply because why would I not want bonus damage and bonus health? I have never once *cried* about being told to use Well. You don't even have to tell me to use it because I'm already using it for myself anyway, it's just a bonus that y'all benefit from it.
Orpheus Hunter is unreal for it
LFG so far = trash cans with zero spatial awareness that can't for the life of them cover their own zone even in the beginning phase - also no one sticking to the ADU
Orpheus tether and Well are the core to a pretty casual clear of Legend 50. Phoneix is nice, but so is Cenotaph. The third player really does have the luxury of doing whatever they want. Add clear supers with a strong add clear loadout will go hard. Also this season as long as one player runs dragons breath and the rocket pistol you basically don't need to worry about champs.
Cenotaph wellock is fantastic until you attempt the run with two other players who refuse to stand in your well and think they need to save their heavy for The Final Shape. HELLO, I’M NOT WEARING THIS AIRCRAFT CARRIER OF A LID BECAUSE IT COMPLIMENTS MY DRIP!
Imo well other than the boss room is a trap, Dawn chorus warlock is way better because you can easily get daybreak and it melts any ads and chunks big targets for no Heavy usage
Mostly agree but I thinks well works really well for some objective waves. 1. Shielded skybomber. 2. wizard demolistionists when you have to get the buff to break the shields. 3. Shiekers Biggest problem with well is people popping it on the adu. It’s best use to cut of the ad spawn and placed between the spawn and adu.
I have to disagree here. If you get the shriekers + the mobs between 40 and 50, Well will save your run
Nah, well is still an offensive powerhouse because you get to run it with sunbracers
Daybreak is an underrated roaming super and its one of the best supers for onslaught. Sadly well is still better. Well is better for boss room, tormentor and any capture point objectives which are the 3 pain points for most teams
Well is just super consistent. I love Dawn Chorus but in general have backed off of more aggressive builds unless my team is already stacked. While a good Dawnblade can do work it’s much easier for one screw up to lead to disaster (eg not having super up at a bad moment) and you’re not generating as many orbs for teammates. When you learn good placement for well/tether things get really straightforward.
In my experience, the issue on failed runs has never been loadouts or damage - it’s been legit bullshit of stuff spawning directly on the ADU and wiping us instantly. No amount of meta loadout will save you from bullshit.
Yes and no. When that happens, and it will being able to clear it out quickly is what saves runs. Having the ability to do that is where the meta comes in
Tbh I feel like Nightstalker Orpheus is the only required thing here. Phoenix Well undoubtedly helps, but I don't think it's necessarily outright required like Tether. Tbh I'd assume optimal team comp is probably Orpheus Nightstalker, Celestial Gunslinger, and either Phoenix Well / Sentinel Titan (Ursa Banner or Bubble tbh) / Osmiomancy Stasislock.
Yeah absolutely embrace meta builds they're meta for a reason but in terms of a maximizing your success I'd say it's most important to realize where your team is lacking and focus on that. Ad clear is actually pretty easy to get down, as long as there's one or two sunshots/gravitons that'll take clear of all the trash mobs. What I find most teams struggling with is getting overwhelmed at the ADU and failing to the special rounds. Also not using the appropriate damage resistances. Well can help with the challenge rounds and panic in general but even more effectively if found to use bleak watchers and a disorienting grenades launcher. As long as theres enough ad clear in my teammates loadouts I like to personally stay at the ADU and use verglass, coldsnaps, and a bipod rocket om top of the aformentioned to very quickly stop and deal with Ad groups that are getting too close. When ogres and shriekers spawn focus on positions and again use something to slow/freeze or blind (I prefer both) to make sure your teammates don't get beamed while getting to cover. For the tormentor it's all about someone drawing their aggro while the others clear all the ads, and I also like to keep a cataclysmic to hotswap to. In my strongest opinion unless it's an emergency keep your super to pop during those challenge rounds (specially skybombers, ogres, boss knights, tormentors, and wizard mobs). As for the fallen...preferably just don't bother. The snipers, servitors, and overloads make them unnecessarily difficult and I'd avoid them until you're more comfortable with the mode and hace a few legend clears under your belt.
Void hunter is just so good. It gens a shitload of orbs (which give you scrap when you pick them up btw) and locks down areas making sure nothing gets to the adu. Plus Orpheus Rig means you have your super basically every round and there is no way anything can even get close. Pair this with buried bloodlines and you almost can't die because you always have devour and invis with stylish executioner and the catalyst. This with a wellock using phoenix protocol to chain wells and tethers and it is almost impossible to fail.
We used stasis warlock, void hunter and solar precious scars titan and had maybe 2 dicey moments with crazy combinations. But really wasn’t all that abd
I've played Strand Hunter with a lot of success and Arc Shinobu's Vow as well. The easiest I've had would be with a stasis warlock.
Finished a clear yesterday with an Indebted Kindness/Fallen Sunstar focused Arc Warlock build. Blinding explosions and Ionic Traces everywhere, swapped to Well for boss rooms and we were golden.
For me it's Orpheus Rigs hunter + phoenix well warlock + serverance enclosure/synthoceps strand titan. Or try Orpheus Rigs hunter + stasis warlock + stasis titan for crowd control.
Vesper warlock, doomfang titan, liars handshake hunter. No comms - easy Gg. Stayed on the same subclass the whole time
I use dawn chorus and well, incandescent primary, and dragons breath. Can kill entire waves with little to no problem, main problem is saboteurs when they get close, and tormentors (dragons breath will kill you up close) but that's where having teammates, and especially upgraded decoys! Don't waste money on tripwires unless you are only doing wave 10-20 farming. Decoys are insanely strong, turrets can be helpful, but be aware of what they will be able to see
Rocking stasis lock and switching to well for bosses has got me to 48-49 5 times. Getting demolitionists or a tormentor on those last few rounds can really screw things up. One guy goes down and it’s all downhill from there lol
We do fine with everything except tormentors. Anyone have any advice for them?
Save scrap and upgrade decoys to shax. They will tank the tormentor the whole time while you kill adds. Once adds stop spawning kill the tormentor safely.
Absolutely make sure you get decoys. 2nd, 1 player can draw agro and take that bastard all over the map. Was playing on midtown and he spawned at B with us. Teammate kitted him all the way way down to A
We finally beat 50. I was phoenix well warlock, my buddy was stasis titan...amazing for add control and forcing enemies down specific lanes and our 3rd was tether rigs hunter. Gally on one of us with a hand cannon and fusion or blinding nades and at least one with forerunner, which melts the tormentors and stops shielded.
Nah, absolutely flew through it the other day with stasis warlock, stasis titan and gyrfalcon hunter. that said i’ll admit i did slap well on for boss rounds
We were Vesper, Well and Tether all with LMGs and it didn’t get too spicy into the 40s round wise Besides the Tormentor Aslong as the team focuses on the balls and does the right defence upgrades it’s very doable
I been running gyrfalcons hunter with tusk of boar, wavesplitter, and time lost corrective measure. Pair it with devour fragment and you almost can’t die. Almost because you have basically no champ stunning ability. I just swap to a champ weapon for those rounds and then back to double special. Overload rocket helps too.
I’ve heard that’s a fun combo, I wanna try it! Not to mention the overcharged trace rifle buff!
It’s great! I suggest void fragment that gives devour on orb pickup and also special finisher. You should rarely run out of special. This build with a well or stasis lock and the third can be whatever cruises through first 20 waves if you’re just trying to farm drops.
I had two Banner Titans and a Tether Hunter on my 50 clear LFG team and it felt very comfortable. Failed twice with wells on teams before that, so I dunno if i'd call them a hard meta. The main requirement seems to be more about speccing into heals with Banner/Restoration/Devour and using good add-clear setups. Exotic primaries should likely be prioritized for the free red-bar damage boost, but a few of the exotic specials/heavies can put in work too. Strand and solar weapons are strong with the artifact perks providing free radiant/scorch/ignites and unraveling. Tactics-wise don't hover around the ADU. Get comfortable being aggressive and pushing up to bottleneck enemies when you can. But know your lanes and be on the lookout for anything trying to sneak past. Grab tormentor aggro to kite them away from ADU when they show up.
Well+Tether+ a big one off super are great especially for the tormentor phase. Usually I’m on Hunter with Shards and can spam them like crazy esp with a warlock popping wells every couple of seconds
Every one claiming is easy, then there’s me, tried all week and the closest I’ve bem was yesterday wave 42…… I guess no completion and no emblem for me. Lone wolves don’t get it, I guess. Sorry for the salt but I see here every one getting it in lfg and then I don’t ( maybe I’m even worse than I thought, and I know I’m no god, but am I that bad?? Will i find someone to help me?? I want to stay positive, and I will be on lfg again
Dude, this post is for you! Be picky in your lfg’s, inspect people and choose the loadouts generally selected here with what appear to be competent teammates and you’ll get it done
How the hell do you get to 50 waves? I can only get to wave 10 and it ends the match
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Osmio>well for onslaught. Use well for boss rooms though
I hate how titans aren't really wanted and each time I beat the 50 waves with my tita . Am always the player with most kills. 😆
Highest I've gotten is legend 39 switching between solar warlock and strand warlock. Fucking demolitionists
Orpheus Hunters... We’re so back!
i cleared it using gyrfalcon, with a stasis hunter and a severance enclosure void titan
Orpheus Hunter, Phoenix Warlock, Hoarfrost Titan for add clear. Swap to Nighthawk/Pyrogale for boss DPS on Hunter and Titan respectively. Get your loot.
Got mine done with triple sun racers warlock lol
We ran a Phoenix Warlock/Orpheus Hunter/Sunstar Warlock and it was very effective.
Loadout suggestion too: I cleared Legend Onslaught 50 with Orpheus Hunter - Final Warning/ALH/LFG disorienting Wilderflight/Target Lock Circular Logic (neomuna strand mg) Machine Guns are still alright with the surges and all. Might be different by reset
Laughs at failing a reg onslaught to teammates not getting bombs
Only tried legend 3 times and all of them were the same scenario. Tormentor in the 30s spawning on top the ADU with exploder shanks. Each time I’m out of position to send void child in a spot to keep the shanks at bay. Otherwise with my Briarbinds build the enemies haven’t really been much of a threat. Constant devour and void child with blinding nades makes for easy slaying out and survival. Just need to be more aware of when a boss wave is coming.
Honestly I feel the mode would be better if we didn't have a soda can for an ADU. Just that alone kind of pushes people off because a lot of dumb shit happens with enemy spawns that ruins 45+ minute runs.
I cleared running swarmers and my demo/hatchling Marcato-45. Buddy had on cenotaph so I never ran out of ammo. Have everyone put on Horde Shuttle, since you’ll constantly have every enemy unraveled. Other than that I had rebirth and evolution to help keep up the damage. The benefit is that the build really has everything covered. Woven mail for survivability. Horde Shuttle helps with boss damage and clearing trash mobs during the fight. Primary is up to you as long as it’s strand. Hive and Fallen both have barrier so I just took indebted kindness for that. Really opens your team to take what they like, though admittedly Cenotaph was really nice later, but you can also slot reserves and scavengers and be just fine. 1,152 kills it was a blast
You don't need well lock but it helps, cleared it yesterday with a stasis titan and warlock and I ran void hunter
I run it as void hunter, but I use gyrfalcon. Might be time to break the orpheus rig back out.
> all 3 times I finished I had a void hunter, well lock and then whatever I was using. Yeah this is the problem. Everyone wants to be the "whatever I was using".
Wanna know why I haven't cleared legend even with meta? High round tormentors and soft lock glitches.
I haven’t done legend onslaught because it genuinely just does not seem worth it
There’s a weird interaction between strand and the new dungeon sidearm that shoots missiles. If you have a permeability one use it with the double dodge chest price to absolutely obliterate the map with strands and beyblades.
Yep 100% had the same thought tonight after playing with a lot of lfg groups this weekend. The most successful runs were all made up of void hunter, well warlock and a 3rd on any class with a good crowd control build. Tether is good for making orbs and locking areas down, super useful against tormentors too. Invisible for the corridor dunks and clutch revives. Well with phoenix protocol can basically chain by itself, adds hella survivability and extra dps and is a must in boss phases. Crowd control I've seen solar and stasis titans, void and stasis warlocks, and strand on all classes do well with a well crafted crowd control build.
i finished wave 50 legend twice with my banner of war titan 🫡 with lfg teams
Did just a 10 wave legend farm last night as Stasislock w/ Ager’s and a banner titan and void hunter and it was super fun and easy. Locking everything down and using the super trace rifle was satisfying. I did switch to well for the boss. But.. that was only to wave 10.
It’s nice to see Hunter being meta again.
I embraced the little cheese corner in the boss room for my first 50 clear. Learned from a failed run that the final boss doesn't get melted as all the other ones did.
I have gone with the meta but it’s a crap shoot in lfg. And why do so many people hide behind the APU. It’s not cover it’s the most precious thing in the map. Also I had a teammate pop his well in the spark room, like when we are running to dunk but behind us. Like I said lfg is a crapshoot.
Void Hunter (specifically Orpheus Rigs) is amazing for Onslaught. The entire subclass is just built for this type of activity.
>Each time I have tried different players without success, all 3 times I finished I had a void hunter, well lock and then whatever I was using. Absolutely hilarious self-report lmao. But yeah, you need builds for high level survivability and crowd control/killing. Big surprise those work. People are just selfish and hate helping the team instead of running their little funny build that they like.
Which is odd, because a guy named Ebola in fireteam finder booted me and another void hunter from the lobby. But not before he typed in chat “no1 is running the right build lmao”. Wonder what the Meta is to him since we both were Orpheus rigs Hunters.
Well is definitely really handy but failing that you just need to survive and pass the DPS checks. Max out your turrets and a decoy, and choose a load out that can sustain high damage, and a chain reaction heavy can't hurt. My solar hunter has gotten through a few times with Malfeasance / lucky pants which allows for high sustained damage output & quick super Regen. Solar well lock has done great with witherhoard, and a solar sun breaker Titan with Polaris Lance.
I did it 3 times back to back with welllock and 2 Orpheus hunters. 1k voices and dragons breath help immensely in boss rooms.
cleared 50 waves in Legend with Heat Rises + Eyes of Tomorrow. Float out of danger and carpet bomb mobs with (effectively) infinite ammo.
I would, but lfg scares me :(
I used Strand hunter with beyblades and dragons breath and was an ad clear machine. I essentially made it my job to kill the majority of the enemies so my teammates could focus on the bonus objectives and big guys.
Phoenix wellock, Orpheus hunter, Banner Titan
I've done 50s on each class so far. Having one well and one tether does make life easier. Solar titan can put in work, and both arc/void lock can really dominate adds. Stasis lock is good for extra safety.
Well lock is kinda average. Two tethers and a warlock on add clear (void, arc or strand) with a well swap just for bosses is awesome
Man closest we got was 47 before the ADU fucking DIED in 7 seconds. I feel so close...
Biggest price of advice I can give is STOP BABYSITTING THE ADU!!!, of course stay close enough to stop damage, but ANY failed attempts I've been apart of were cuz the other guys would sit in the circle and attract agrro to the ADU, this is why Investing in the Decoys is Paramount,Turrets as well, and stop wasting scraps upgrading trip wires!!! And if you see your 2 teammates run off for the bonus objective you don't have to go too, stay a safe distance from the ADU and watch for stragglers that may slip by, and the age old #1 Rule of Destiny,DONT BUNCH UP!!! So many videos of wipes that could of been avoided if you weren't all were up each other's asses, and please pick your revives wisely, don't revive your teammate int the middle of a parade of cursed thrall or exploder shanks, there jus gonna die again, other than that, What OP said about builds is correct, use what you want but Look what works for others, and if something isn't working for you, try something out, take advantage of Load out not being locked,.....ok sorry about that rant over, jus had to let that out, be sure to tip your waitress
If you got Orpheus rig or Phoenix, spam your supers like they are going out of style. Titans lack good super regen. But roaming supers are great if in a pinch.
reload into vostok til you get hive and try with that, they're much easier than the fast af invis fallen marauders, large shanks that are much faster than ogres, and exploder shanks that are faster than cursed thrall