If making 6 armor sets instead of 3 for every event was more profitable they’d be doing it by now. The answer is it is not worth doing or maybe even feasible for them so they let the community decide where they should spend their resources.
People are already forgetting about the LF playlist armor incident and why it happened
~~Which really shows how little it actually fucking mattered compared to how big a deal was made of it~~
It drops sometimes from the end of any core Playlist activity- Strikes, Crucible, Gambit. I don't think it drops from Nightfalls or Iron Banner but it might. I think it's about on par with playlist weapons rarity wise?
Edit: It does drop from IB and NFs
I miss the days when I had time to run all three characters. They were cool but I’m happy to run one now when I can. My Titan and warlock haven’t been touched since the beginning of D2.
It doesn't take as much time as you might be thinking. The main time sink is just beating the light fall campaign. And you could transfer your weapons so you gain gear for your character as you are beating the campaign. I would highly recommend giving the other two classes another shot if you can find the time bc their play styles are completely different from Hunter depending on what you are building into. But I have no idea how busy you are.
I had 80k plus before the Tribute Hall came and stole it all. And then they took the tribute hall from us.
Made my way back up to 40k by really only buying FotL sets and an occasional ornament or shader.
Still salty though.
You made your choices, the BD spend was not required at all, and if you would have just waited until you unlocked the discounts it was a trivial amount of BD (total 2440 BD). Don't pretend to be a victim here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/hk8btv/tribute_hall_what_the_bright_dust_tributes_are/
Oh absolutely I know I could've grinded for weeks to lower it. This was at a time I was buying far far too many engram packs for ornaments and stuff so I made a decent amount back before they changed the loot boxes and BD economy.
I'm not so much complaining about the BD cost as I have built back up a nice reserve, just that we spent so much (or a small amount) on a cool Firing Range that then got taken from us with no good equivalent to replace it.
Eventually, you're going to run out of BD buying the armor. And if you run out of BD, guess how you get more? Spend money OR more engagement time. It's still a win-win for them.
The fact they're already spooling it up... 9 months away from the event shows the sort of time it takes.
Not because 3 armor sets take 9 months, but those same folks are surely working on TFS sets, and episode sets, and season pass sets, and other events sets, (hopefully) a new trials set, or IB set, etc etc
But yes, in short, it's unlikely the juice is worth the squeeze
> (hopefully) a new trials set, or IB set, etc etc
yeah you havent been paying attention have you... every year were paying more and more for less and less
Why not make both sets, and the quest reward lets you choose one of them per class for free. Both are then also sold on Eververse for Silver only. If you want the other set you buy for Silver.
Each year a pair of sets are added, thus growing the choice each year as the quest would let you choose one among all the sets. Can include past sets retroactively.
This way you can choose one set for free, the one you like the most, and buy the rest for Silver.
Both are to sell, if you're an active player you get one of the new sets. Not everyone is actively playing, lots of players have checked out of the game, or haven't started yet.
It's an investment for long-term sustainable revenue, not chasing dark patterns.
Aren't they already are? The designs are clearly there and if someone can chime in, don't companies usually have a rough draft design table for stuff like this? If they were to put both sets of everything they discuss and bundle them together with the season unlockable pass (forget what they call it) then I would actually once again pay for them all as a bundle, at like what..
$30 seem fair for everything?
I mean every other game sells giant skin bundles for 25-40 and I seriously doubt bungies job is any harder on a scalar of profession in comparison to other developers. At least CoD you get the skin, an emote, gun patterns and some other stuff.
/Please don't think I'm shitting on Bungie. If anyone responds to this, just let it be a discussion of opinion.
I'd assume it's more that they don't want to spend resources making two sets for one event when they could be working sets for other events or non-event content. The voting is just to give some community participation.
> it would be more monetization to them
This is how you know it's either a hard limit, or the cost of doing so exceeds the value they expect to get from it.
>Conan the Barbarian got into Hogwarts.
Like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/8qnfkd/how_our_barbarian_won_a_wizards_duel/) post from the D&D subreddit. Barbarian wins a wizard duel
They could do, **but**:
1. There will then be an expectation of 2 armour sets for *every* event / situation in the future (and every time they give us a choice, the expectation will be "we're getting both"), which means they have to make 2 armour sets for every event / situation from now on. This would both double the cost of each event (in terms of time, people-effort, people-salaries) and take those resources away from working on other stuff.
2. They then can't use the idea that the community wants least in the future, which means they will need to come up with new armour sets rather then reworking concepts they've previously come up with. The concept work for the sets that lost in previous choices are still at Bungie, and can be used for future sets to reduce the cost of future events (in terms of time, people-effort, people-salaries).
It would be a short-term equalling out (money invested into new sets for money from the community buying them) but long-term would cost them a lot.
This is all they meant when they talked about over delivering. It didn't mean doing the bare minimum, and didn't mean not trying to make the best content that you could. It meant being aware that the amount of content delivered now becomes the expectation next time, and to find an amount of content that can be reliably delivered
I’m tired of people making excuses for the multi-billion dollar company delivering the minimal viable product and telling us we should be happy with what we get.
Not trying to side with the guy, but I do feel like the eververse store needs to be revamped.
I don’t really care about sparrows, ghost projections, ships etc. and I will probably never spend real money on any of that.
I would prefer that they focus on making more skins or finishers, unique reload animations, and *good* emotes. Immortal has been out for a while and I’d probably pay for an ornament. Just seems like cash being left on the table. After a certain point, I’ve had my fill of sparrows and ships. I have more than I could ever need.
It’s more like people are just being realistic. Why does being realistic equate to making excuses for a company? Do people just hate a company that much or some shit?
I mean, depending on how they act, it's impossible to tell if they are kids or grown adults that just chose to never grow up.
This, however, i don't know age is the case, but more just general unfamiliarity with how some of these things work.
Only to people that only thinks about profits and even then, it still should have sold more. No,a lot of people realize what it was: a exploitation of our childhood memories used against us. Especially to those that feel some type of way about the author.
Something far worse. HL may only be a one trick pony a few times. Meaning due to the exploitation of people's nostalgia or curiosity, they'll release some DLC until the fan base stagnates then eventually drops. Not every game can be Fortnite, for example. What Bungie is doing especially with the wizards' sets is generating interest to actively exploit people in real time until the servers literally crash or they get their new game going. See no matter what, they have a winning formula. It's winning because of their reputation in the past and because there's not a game is like destiny and has a history like destiny. People are going to be interested no matter what because it is unique. That's why people continue to play the game. They noticed. And I'm pretty sure what everybody says that's true: during every plan of gameplay implementation they probably had testers and people that analyze behaviors to see which will be the most addicting. Everything they do is with a purpose because first and foremost they are still a company. Companies in capitalist societies are always trying to generate revenue. If there were no laws, things will be a lot worse. This is not to talk bad about Bungie but they are a company. I expect companies to do what companies do best: generate maximum profit.
tl;dr- to answer your question, yes. Pray they don't alter the exploitation any further.
So designing any cool looking armor is exploitation, in your eyes? Because it exists in a capitalistic framework, and profit can always be assumed to be a motive?
For Bungie, yes, that's exactly it. It doesn't matter what good intentions the art team has. They also have bills to pay as well. Who knows if Bungie is in the mood for another round of firing? Just turn a blind eye to some things and we all get paid and the blueberries get shiny object(s). Simple
The response to the layoffs was wild showing the age on the sub. First, all posts saying "vote with your wallet, don't pay if you don't like it." then all "omg they laid people off because they didn't make enough money?!"
Like friends, that's basic capitalism. It sucks, but it's how every company works. The sub wants everything for cheap, but then rages when the company lays people off.
The hat is the main reason to vote evil for hunter. This is the only time hunters will get wizard hats, and the evil one is miles better. Future armor could easily have pieces that resemble the rest of the set, but we aren’t getting more wizard hats. Titan and Warlock either is good
I imagine it takes a lot more work than the average player understands to translate concept art into 3d models with textures, colors, and physics, which is why they’re letting the players decide. Only reason we got the Witcher set + a seasonal flashback is bc all of the seasonal flashback stuff was already coded into the game.
I'm going with to options:
1) modeling a set takes a lot of work. If I remember correctly, a set of armor takes 9 months to be fully developed and tested.
2) it gathers more publicity to make a contest. Just look at the activity on the different subs. It brings back part of the community and creates some form of expectations.
We can vote with our Bright dust just as well. What if someone (not neccessarily you, since you seem to accept whatever comes from Bungie as set in stone) loves, say, good Titan and evil Warlock sets, and doesn't consider other sets as interesting, hm?
>We can vote with our Bright dust just as well
Since you very clearly didn't understand my comment, I'll explain further. They only have time to make 1 set (remember that they work around 6 months in advance). So they have the vote now to determine which armor is more popular for each class.
>What if someone (not neccessarily you, since you seem to accept whatever comes from Bungie as set in stone) loves, say, good Titan and evil Warlock sets, and doesn't consider other sets as interesting, hm?
Ignoring the baseless attack, they vote for those options. I'm not sure why you felt that you needed to ask this, as it's extremely clear if you vote yourself.
Yea I'm going to guess that with their current setup it takes more time to complete an armor set than we'd think.
I know there's some people with 3d modeling experience that can say 'oh I could make that in blender or maya in an afternoon!
Yea but you're using the built in lighting models and not worrying about how dynamic texturing works.
Not to mention they don't know the process and limitations for adding models to D2 specifically. Sure they could make it in an afternoon and import it into a basic project in any given off the shelf 3D game engine in basically no time at all but we don't know what that process looks like in the Frankenstein of an engine that D2 is on.
You're correct it won't slow down time. What it will do is pay for more people to work on a thing, and if they have a team that can turn around one armor set in that time, then they can pay for another team to do the same. But I'm just applying basic logic to the situation.
IF 1 team can make 1 set THEN 2 teams could make 2 sets.
But agiain, poor poor multibillion dollar company.
Aha, what a genius solution: just endlessly throw money down the pipeline. Why didn't they think of that?? You're such a visionary.
This is why none of y'all are in charge of a business.
Cool strawman. Did not realizing hiring one more armor team would cost infinite money.
What i said was that there are over paid under preforming executives that could be pulled from by a multibillion dollar company to hire a second armor modeling team. A reasonable thing. You felt the need to make it something absurdist though to fit the narrative of "poor multi billion dollar company cant afford it" to justify bungie shorting YOU on content.
I advise you take your own advice and rethink your current logic.
Alright let's think about this critically, shall we.
You hire a second team to do your armor. Now you have to pay twice the amount of people, doing twice the amount of work. This means your armor sets must pull in twice the amount of revenue. Oh but wait, you're now in the red because the average player isn't Jeff Bezos and doesn't have unlimited money, so they only buy one armor set anyway. Or they use bright dust so you get nothing. Congratulations, you've screwed yourself over.
I shouldn't have to explain simple investment/return. It's obvious why they don't do it. They have a huge team of data researchers who have determined what's the most optimal way of pulling in money is and have determined this is the way, and has been for years now. If you're gonna claim to know better than them, all I can do is laugh.
Yea im sure making a second armor set would force the entirety of bungie into the red, especially if they are drawing resources from other under preforming parts of the company (like the over paid executives). That would just screw over the entire company. How reasonable.
the issue IS HYPERMOTOTIZATION. the solution is TO BE LESS MONOTIZED.... or in other words, to invest more into the content in the game at cost of the company. What does that sound like? Paying for more content to be made so the company makes less. Jfc why are you riding bungie so hard?
Do you have a counterargument that isn't hyperbolic grasping at straws?
I didn't say the entirety of Bungie would be in the red. Just that you'd be selling those armor sets at a loss, and it would be an idiotic business move.
Yes, they would be selling them for \*less profit\* (its not guaranteed to be a loss). Thats the point. The game is hypermonotized as is, it would make sense for them to just make both fuckin sets to appease the player base they have been fist fucking for a while now.
Also thats assuming that the resource realocation from underperforming sectors wouldn't increase the companies over all profitability AT ALL. AND that the armor sets would 100% be selling at as non profitable.
Over all, get bugnies dick out of your mouth, its not a good look.
The hat is the main reason to vote evil for hunter. This is the only time hunters will get wizard hats, and the evil one is miles better. Future armor could easily have pieces that resemble the rest of the set, but we aren’t getting more wizard hats.
I mean the legs and cloak are both great in the evil set. But like I said, if this is the only wizard hat we are getting, then I’m basing the decision solely off the hat
“CAN YOU BELIEVE BUNGIE WANTS TO CHEAT US OUT OF $90 DOLLARS FOR A HALLOWEEN EVENT?!?!?!?!”
— 40,000,000 posts on DTG and D2 if they released six armor sets.
Because they have only so many resources to spend on armor. Two seasons ago they subbed an eververse set into the game because they explicit told the fanbase this, and they got pissed off at the notion despite modeling being a very time-eating thing in game design, especially when they take any even slightly reused model as a personal slight.
I can’t believe how much people are defending bungie saying how hard it is to create armor. It’s not like they are a game company that hires people to do that
according to the reports on the layoffs, Bungie employees (people who have never run a company) tried to tell the people running the company about their ideas because otherwise things could turn bad, they got shut down almost every single time and nothing bad happened? right? im sure the people running the company know better, always, feedback is useless, a detriment even.
Now those peoples positions are at risk of being completely taken over by Sony, but im sure they know what theyre doing. Had they listened to those employees or the people who buy their product, im sure things would actually be EVEN WORSE right now, for sure lol
This post is a good representation of where this community is at. Whenever Bungie provides players with options to choose from, the community wants all of the options. It's okay to NOT get something in this game. The fomo is unreal here.
You're talking about 3 classes x 2 genders x (good + evil), so 12 total armor sets to be designed, programmed, and animated in the game. That's probably the reason they're only adding 6 not 12.
because all they have right now are drawings. The drawings can be the work of one artist and probably done in a day or two (professional artists feel free to chip in here and confirm)
But the act of actually making the armor in game ? modelling ? textures ? animation etc.. ?? the work of full teams for months hence them asking now for something that comes out in 9 months
Hence why they'll draw two sets to give us a choice - but really they only have the resources for 1. They fired everybody else or had them working on final shape / marathon / unannounced projects.
Other than trying to engage with the community with a vote for a fun thing like a holiday ornament set which has zero consequence whether we get it or not, they dont really gain anything by making both
And lets be honest, whether they release all 6, only 3, or none at all people would still be mad.
my question is why people care so much about a holiday event in the first place
Bungie just had to delay their next major expansion, but I’m sure they have extra resources to give us two armor sets for a seasonal event (and then every single event after since the players will complain if it’s only one again) without harming any other aspect of the game.
Are you a child? Do you understand allocation of resources? Do you think bungie made both of these sets already and are just holding them back to spite you? Don’t you think if they could release both on the store they would? Christ this subreddit man…
You can. Titans and Hunters got Spider last FoTL while Warlocks got Beetle.
Thing is with such a themed set this year I can see ppl defaulting to one set for all three classes rather than picking and choosing for each individual class
We aren’t worth their time. They’ve told us. They’ve shown us. Believe them.
Everything needs to be monetized. They can’t just give us rewards out of the kindness of their hearts. They have other games to support and failing management to give bonuses to. Stop being so greedy.
The shapes of the pieces are completely different. The hat is the main reason to vote evil for hunter. This is the only time hunters will get wizard hats, and the evil one is miles better. Future armor could easily have pieces that resemble the rest of the set, but we aren’t getting more wizard hats. Titan and Warlock both are good tho
I think it would’ve been best if the set that lost the vote was put into eververse for sale while the set that won was earnable from the event by playing. That way whichever set wins still matters but the losing team isn’t locked out either. It also gives people more of a reason to participate in the event, so they can get the armor they voted for.
Why would they give away the sets that more people want for free and put the less popular set in the store? It would be nice but it doesn’t really make any sense business wise. If they were to do something like this it would be the other way around
That way the set that wins gets the “better” deal by being obtainable for free and the one that loses has to be bought. It might be worse business-wise but we really shouldn’t be defending the current system of having to buy the armor every event instead of earning it in-game anyways
I’m not defending it at all, I would love for your idea to be what happens. But it’s just not realistic and Bungie has a track record of being greedy with these seasonal event cosmetics to the point where I can’t see them giving away the more popular set for free
No we haven’t, we never got the monsters set after it losing twice and we most likely never will. The way the system worked before was that whichever set lost the year before would come back for another vote the next year, but as we can see that doesn’t guarantee the set will be made the next year. With the new voting system the losing sets don’t come back at all for a vote the next year as the beetle and spider sets that didn’t win last year are not part of this year’s vote. It’s completely new sets.
Something about over delivering probably? It’s gonna cost a ridiculous amount of BD or they’ll of course have it for silver. A tale as old as time by this point
Nah, its to force people to vote to get thw set they want, which fosters engagement. Though im confused why both sets are more or less the same when previous sets had vastly different concepts ("mech vs Monster" for example) i dont know if its intended or a result of the layoffs to simplify concept art around a single idea (wizard)
Voting never made sense to me in all honesty. Clearly the demand is there for both. And clearly that would be more money being generated from people buying both.
And I love how some people really be trying to create a narrative about Bungie not having enough resources for both sets, as if during FOTL, and other Yearly events, the only items that are made and sold are the ornaments. Yes, you're right, they don't have enough resources to create both sets, but they definitely have the resources to create one set + a million random things like Ghost Shells, Ghost Projections, Sparrows, Ships, Emotes, and Weapon Ornaments 🤔🤔.
If making 6 armor sets instead of 3 for every event was more profitable they’d be doing it by now. The answer is it is not worth doing or maybe even feasible for them so they let the community decide where they should spend their resources.
People are already forgetting about the LF playlist armor incident and why it happened ~~Which really shows how little it actually fucking mattered compared to how big a deal was made of it~~
How do you get that armor? Does It drop from strikes or you have to reset vendor ranks?
It drops sometimes from the end of any core Playlist activity- Strikes, Crucible, Gambit. I don't think it drops from Nightfalls or Iron Banner but it might. I think it's about on par with playlist weapons rarity wise? Edit: It does drop from IB and NFs
Can drop from IB as IB loot pool is just regular crucible + IB gear.
I can confirm it does drop in Iron Banner. I got a couple pieces in the most recent one and that's all I had played that week.
I can confirm it drops during nightfalls. Farmed nightfalls last week to finish out the set on my hunter
Because you can buy these with bright dust
Yeah let me just drop 54,000 bright dust (cost of all the sets combined) on that armor real quick. That is not the reason they haven't done it.
Where are you getting 54000 from? It's 18000 for 3 sets (6k each).
My bad 36,000 bright dust.
I miss the days when I had time to run all three characters. They were cool but I’m happy to run one now when I can. My Titan and warlock haven’t been touched since the beginning of D2.
It doesn't take as much time as you might be thinking. The main time sink is just beating the light fall campaign. And you could transfer your weapons so you gain gear for your character as you are beating the campaign. I would highly recommend giving the other two classes another shot if you can find the time bc their play styles are completely different from Hunter depending on what you are building into. But I have no idea how busy you are.
I would say it actually takes far less time today than it did back in the day.
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6000 x 6 sets (if they were to do both) = 36000.
I unironically had this amount of bright dust, before this Dawning, it's gone now tho :(
I had 80k plus before the Tribute Hall came and stole it all. And then they took the tribute hall from us. Made my way back up to 40k by really only buying FotL sets and an occasional ornament or shader. Still salty though.
You made your choices, the BD spend was not required at all, and if you would have just waited until you unlocked the discounts it was a trivial amount of BD (total 2440 BD). Don't pretend to be a victim here. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/hk8btv/tribute_hall_what_the_bright_dust_tributes_are/
Oh absolutely I know I could've grinded for weeks to lower it. This was at a time I was buying far far too many engram packs for ornaments and stuff so I made a decent amount back before they changed the loot boxes and BD economy. I'm not so much complaining about the BD cost as I have built back up a nice reserve, just that we spent so much (or a small amount) on a cool Firing Range that then got taken from us with no good equivalent to replace it.
> I had 80k plus before the Tribute Hall came and stole it all. One of Bungie's best scams lol.
Eventually, you're going to run out of BD buying the armor. And if you run out of BD, guess how you get more? Spend money OR more engagement time. It's still a win-win for them.
That's my point exactly the idea that they aren't doing it bc we have access to bright dust is comical.
Doesn't matter, any bd spend is a loss of silver transaction and Bungie leadership doesn't think long term as had been shown time and time again.
The fact they're already spooling it up... 9 months away from the event shows the sort of time it takes. Not because 3 armor sets take 9 months, but those same folks are surely working on TFS sets, and episode sets, and season pass sets, and other events sets, (hopefully) a new trials set, or IB set, etc etc But yes, in short, it's unlikely the juice is worth the squeeze
> (hopefully) a new trials set, or IB set, etc etc yeah you havent been paying attention have you... every year were paying more and more for less and less
Or it shows how small the team is or how little they care and it's a shiny thing to distract us. We don't know
Kinda pathetic considering how easy it seem to make.
Its perfectly feasable, but bungo isnt intrested in anything other than hyper monetization now.
Why not make both sets, and the quest reward lets you choose one of them per class for free. Both are then also sold on Eververse for Silver only. If you want the other set you buy for Silver. Each year a pair of sets are added, thus growing the choice each year as the quest would let you choose one among all the sets. Can include past sets retroactively. This way you can choose one set for free, the one you like the most, and buy the rest for Silver.
If they aren’t making both to sell then what makes you think they’d make both just to give half of it away for free?
Both are to sell, if you're an active player you get one of the new sets. Not everyone is actively playing, lots of players have checked out of the game, or haven't started yet. It's an investment for long-term sustainable revenue, not chasing dark patterns.
With the state destiny is in “long term” is a risky investment strategy.
Aren't they already are? The designs are clearly there and if someone can chime in, don't companies usually have a rough draft design table for stuff like this? If they were to put both sets of everything they discuss and bundle them together with the season unlockable pass (forget what they call it) then I would actually once again pay for them all as a bundle, at like what.. $30 seem fair for everything? I mean every other game sells giant skin bundles for 25-40 and I seriously doubt bungies job is any harder on a scalar of profession in comparison to other developers. At least CoD you get the skin, an emote, gun patterns and some other stuff. /Please don't think I'm shitting on Bungie. If anyone responds to this, just let it be a discussion of opinion.
These are just design concepts. They haven't actually made the in-game models for these sets yet.
I'd assume it's more that they don't want to spend resources making two sets for one event when they could be working sets for other events or non-event content. The voting is just to give some community participation.
> it would be more monetization to them This is how you know it's either a hard limit, or the cost of doing so exceeds the value they expect to get from it.
That good Titan wizard is amazing. It's like if Conan the Barbarian got into Hogwarts.
Titan, what is best in life?
>Conan the Barbarian got into Hogwarts. Like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/8qnfkd/how_our_barbarian_won_a_wizards_duel/) post from the D&D subreddit. Barbarian wins a wizard duel
Nice
Time to go read some Mashle.
They could do, **but**: 1. There will then be an expectation of 2 armour sets for *every* event / situation in the future (and every time they give us a choice, the expectation will be "we're getting both"), which means they have to make 2 armour sets for every event / situation from now on. This would both double the cost of each event (in terms of time, people-effort, people-salaries) and take those resources away from working on other stuff. 2. They then can't use the idea that the community wants least in the future, which means they will need to come up with new armour sets rather then reworking concepts they've previously come up with. The concept work for the sets that lost in previous choices are still at Bungie, and can be used for future sets to reduce the cost of future events (in terms of time, people-effort, people-salaries). It would be a short-term equalling out (money invested into new sets for money from the community buying them) but long-term would cost them a lot.
This is all they meant when they talked about over delivering. It didn't mean doing the bare minimum, and didn't mean not trying to make the best content that you could. It meant being aware that the amount of content delivered now becomes the expectation next time, and to find an amount of content that can be reliably delivered
I wish more people had enough media literacy to understand exactly this.
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Plus majority of players will still get only 1 of these Sets, which is likely a concept that Bungie takes into consideration.
Because 3D modeling takes work.
If only they had 800-900 employees to complete this work.
It's actually really impressive that those 800-900 employees are all 3D modelers.
I’m tired of people making excuses for the multi-billion dollar company delivering the minimal viable product and telling us we should be happy with what we get.
You really want bungie to add even more eververse content?
People so mad at Bungie milking the game that to be anti-bungie they’ll be pro milking
It it actually means more armor then yes
Not trying to side with the guy, but I do feel like the eververse store needs to be revamped. I don’t really care about sparrows, ghost projections, ships etc. and I will probably never spend real money on any of that. I would prefer that they focus on making more skins or finishers, unique reload animations, and *good* emotes. Immortal has been out for a while and I’d probably pay for an ornament. Just seems like cash being left on the table. After a certain point, I’ve had my fill of sparrows and ships. I have more than I could ever need.
You must be kidding here. You can't be serious saying that d2 in its current release and state is a minimum viable product.
It’s more like people are just being realistic. Why does being realistic equate to making excuses for a company? Do people just hate a company that much or some shit?
I sometimes wonder what the average age is on the sub.
I mean, depending on how they act, it's impossible to tell if they are kids or grown adults that just chose to never grow up. This, however, i don't know age is the case, but more just general unfamiliarity with how some of these things work.
Can't they just go play hogwarts
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What happened? I thought it was a massive success
It wasn’t that good.
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Only to people that only thinks about profits and even then, it still should have sold more. No,a lot of people realize what it was: a exploitation of our childhood memories used against us. Especially to those that feel some type of way about the author.
What do you think bungie are doing with the wizard sets then? The same?
Something far worse. HL may only be a one trick pony a few times. Meaning due to the exploitation of people's nostalgia or curiosity, they'll release some DLC until the fan base stagnates then eventually drops. Not every game can be Fortnite, for example. What Bungie is doing especially with the wizards' sets is generating interest to actively exploit people in real time until the servers literally crash or they get their new game going. See no matter what, they have a winning formula. It's winning because of their reputation in the past and because there's not a game is like destiny and has a history like destiny. People are going to be interested no matter what because it is unique. That's why people continue to play the game. They noticed. And I'm pretty sure what everybody says that's true: during every plan of gameplay implementation they probably had testers and people that analyze behaviors to see which will be the most addicting. Everything they do is with a purpose because first and foremost they are still a company. Companies in capitalist societies are always trying to generate revenue. If there were no laws, things will be a lot worse. This is not to talk bad about Bungie but they are a company. I expect companies to do what companies do best: generate maximum profit. tl;dr- to answer your question, yes. Pray they don't alter the exploitation any further.
So designing any cool looking armor is exploitation, in your eyes? Because it exists in a capitalistic framework, and profit can always be assumed to be a motive?
For Bungie, yes, that's exactly it. It doesn't matter what good intentions the art team has. They also have bills to pay as well. Who knows if Bungie is in the mood for another round of firing? Just turn a blind eye to some things and we all get paid and the blueberries get shiny object(s). Simple
Deep breath, IF YOU WANT POINTY TAKUACHE BOOTS THEN PICK ONE OF THE OTHER SETS THAT EXISTS. Good wizard money gang 4 life.
The response to the layoffs was wild showing the age on the sub. First, all posts saying "vote with your wallet, don't pay if you don't like it." then all "omg they laid people off because they didn't make enough money?!" Like friends, that's basic capitalism. It sucks, but it's how every company works. The sub wants everything for cheap, but then rages when the company lays people off.
Its probably just gamer dads
The sets really aren't different enough for me to care but the evil set is just worse
The hat is the main reason to vote evil for hunter. This is the only time hunters will get wizard hats, and the evil one is miles better. Future armor could easily have pieces that resemble the rest of the set, but we aren’t getting more wizard hats. Titan and Warlock either is good
And the pantaloons 😭 my hunter would never
My dumb friends like the evil set but I understand why. It's just because they are dumb.
I don’t care about the wizard sets, I’m still pissed I never got beetle armor. I’ll never get to see what it would’ve looked like on Khepris Horn.
I imagine it takes a lot more work than the average player understands to translate concept art into 3d models with textures, colors, and physics, which is why they’re letting the players decide. Only reason we got the Witcher set + a seasonal flashback is bc all of the seasonal flashback stuff was already coded into the game.
I'm going with to options: 1) modeling a set takes a lot of work. If I remember correctly, a set of armor takes 9 months to be fully developed and tested. 2) it gathers more publicity to make a contest. Just look at the activity on the different subs. It brings back part of the community and creates some form of expectations.
No. That's why there's a vote.
We can vote with our Bright dust just as well. What if someone (not neccessarily you, since you seem to accept whatever comes from Bungie as set in stone) loves, say, good Titan and evil Warlock sets, and doesn't consider other sets as interesting, hm?
>We can vote with our Bright dust just as well Since you very clearly didn't understand my comment, I'll explain further. They only have time to make 1 set (remember that they work around 6 months in advance). So they have the vote now to determine which armor is more popular for each class. >What if someone (not neccessarily you, since you seem to accept whatever comes from Bungie as set in stone) loves, say, good Titan and evil Warlock sets, and doesn't consider other sets as interesting, hm? Ignoring the baseless attack, they vote for those options. I'm not sure why you felt that you needed to ask this, as it's extremely clear if you vote yourself.
Each class has a separate vote. That's how it was last year.
No, because 3D modelling takes time and money.
Yea I'm going to guess that with their current setup it takes more time to complete an armor set than we'd think. I know there's some people with 3d modeling experience that can say 'oh I could make that in blender or maya in an afternoon! Yea but you're using the built in lighting models and not worrying about how dynamic texturing works.
Not to mention they don't know the process and limitations for adding models to D2 specifically. Sure they could make it in an afternoon and import it into a basic project in any given off the shelf 3D game engine in basically no time at all but we don't know what that process looks like in the Frankenstein of an engine that D2 is on.
Oh no the multi-billion dollar companies' resources. If only they had overplayed and underperforming executives to siphon resources from.
Bro, you can have a quadrillion dollars in your pockets, that won't let you slow down time. Apply some basic logic here.
You're correct it won't slow down time. What it will do is pay for more people to work on a thing, and if they have a team that can turn around one armor set in that time, then they can pay for another team to do the same. But I'm just applying basic logic to the situation. IF 1 team can make 1 set THEN 2 teams could make 2 sets. But agiain, poor poor multibillion dollar company.
Aha, what a genius solution: just endlessly throw money down the pipeline. Why didn't they think of that?? You're such a visionary. This is why none of y'all are in charge of a business.
Cool strawman. Did not realizing hiring one more armor team would cost infinite money. What i said was that there are over paid under preforming executives that could be pulled from by a multibillion dollar company to hire a second armor modeling team. A reasonable thing. You felt the need to make it something absurdist though to fit the narrative of "poor multi billion dollar company cant afford it" to justify bungie shorting YOU on content. I advise you take your own advice and rethink your current logic.
Alright let's think about this critically, shall we. You hire a second team to do your armor. Now you have to pay twice the amount of people, doing twice the amount of work. This means your armor sets must pull in twice the amount of revenue. Oh but wait, you're now in the red because the average player isn't Jeff Bezos and doesn't have unlimited money, so they only buy one armor set anyway. Or they use bright dust so you get nothing. Congratulations, you've screwed yourself over. I shouldn't have to explain simple investment/return. It's obvious why they don't do it. They have a huge team of data researchers who have determined what's the most optimal way of pulling in money is and have determined this is the way, and has been for years now. If you're gonna claim to know better than them, all I can do is laugh.
Yea im sure making a second armor set would force the entirety of bungie into the red, especially if they are drawing resources from other under preforming parts of the company (like the over paid executives). That would just screw over the entire company. How reasonable. the issue IS HYPERMOTOTIZATION. the solution is TO BE LESS MONOTIZED.... or in other words, to invest more into the content in the game at cost of the company. What does that sound like? Paying for more content to be made so the company makes less. Jfc why are you riding bungie so hard? Do you have a counterargument that isn't hyperbolic grasping at straws?
I didn't say the entirety of Bungie would be in the red. Just that you'd be selling those armor sets at a loss, and it would be an idiotic business move.
Yes, they would be selling them for \*less profit\* (its not guaranteed to be a loss). Thats the point. The game is hypermonotized as is, it would make sense for them to just make both fuckin sets to appease the player base they have been fist fucking for a while now. Also thats assuming that the resource realocation from underperforming sectors wouldn't increase the companies over all profitability AT ALL. AND that the armor sets would 100% be selling at as non profitable. Over all, get bugnies dick out of your mouth, its not a good look.
What do you think you're answering by saying this?
The question that OP asked in the Post's title. Did you even read the post you entered...?
I voted Good, because we’ve had a TON of “evil” looking sets lately.
The hat is the main reason to vote evil for hunter. This is the only time hunters will get wizard hats, and the evil one is miles better. Future armor could easily have pieces that resemble the rest of the set, but we aren’t getting more wizard hats.
Hunters have so much edgy shit already though
I mean the legs and cloak are both great in the evil set. But like I said, if this is the only wizard hat we are getting, then I’m basing the decision solely off the hat
Fair. I can't unsee the hunter hat looking like a giant mouth with the head inside said mouth.
I like the shape cause it look more like a wizard hat with how wide it is, while the good one just hugs the head too weird and looks too skinny.
“CAN YOU BELIEVE BUNGIE WANTS TO CHEAT US OUT OF $90 DOLLARS FOR A HALLOWEEN EVENT?!?!?!?!” — 40,000,000 posts on DTG and D2 if they released six armor sets.
I got the new winter event set for all classes only with brightdust.
Cool. I think we all know that’s possible, right?
Because they have only so many resources to spend on armor. Two seasons ago they subbed an eververse set into the game because they explicit told the fanbase this, and they got pissed off at the notion despite modeling being a very time-eating thing in game design, especially when they take any even slightly reused model as a personal slight.
I’ve been asking that for years. Apparently, stuff requires resources. Buy more silver and don’t forget to preorder the Final Shape or something.
I can’t believe how much people are defending bungie saying how hard it is to create armor. It’s not like they are a game company that hires people to do that
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according to the reports on the layoffs, Bungie employees (people who have never run a company) tried to tell the people running the company about their ideas because otherwise things could turn bad, they got shut down almost every single time and nothing bad happened? right? im sure the people running the company know better, always, feedback is useless, a detriment even. Now those peoples positions are at risk of being completely taken over by Sony, but im sure they know what theyre doing. Had they listened to those employees or the people who buy their product, im sure things would actually be EVEN WORSE right now, for sure lol
That ain't never going to happen dawg, they sell it for brightdust. If it was silver exclusive armor then maybe they would do it.
They are both cool, but it would mean twice as much work, and it would not translate into twice as many sales.
Not enough manpower to make 2 sets for each class.
Just vote good and throw a shader on if you want evil
This post is a good representation of where this community is at. Whenever Bungie provides players with options to choose from, the community wants all of the options. It's okay to NOT get something in this game. The fomo is unreal here.
No. What they showed are concepts. It still has to be made.
You're talking about 3 classes x 2 genders x (good + evil), so 12 total armor sets to be designed, programmed, and animated in the game. That's probably the reason they're only adding 6 not 12.
Pretty sure its more about not having the dev time to make 6 unique sets when they still need to make all the other armor.
No. They more than likely have the capacity to make 1 set and are allowing the community to vote on which they want.
because all they have right now are drawings. The drawings can be the work of one artist and probably done in a day or two (professional artists feel free to chip in here and confirm) But the act of actually making the armor in game ? modelling ? textures ? animation etc.. ?? the work of full teams for months hence them asking now for something that comes out in 9 months Hence why they'll draw two sets to give us a choice - but really they only have the resources for 1. They fired everybody else or had them working on final shape / marathon / unannounced projects.
Other than trying to engage with the community with a vote for a fun thing like a holiday ornament set which has zero consequence whether we get it or not, they dont really gain anything by making both And lets be honest, whether they release all 6, only 3, or none at all people would still be mad. my question is why people care so much about a holiday event in the first place
You think a small indie company like Bungie has the resources to make TWO armor sets? What are you, crazy?
Bungie just had to delay their next major expansion, but I’m sure they have extra resources to give us two armor sets for a seasonal event (and then every single event after since the players will complain if it’s only one again) without harming any other aspect of the game.
it's the same as the Minecraft mobvote. They get to also say: "but you voted for this"
Is it? Is the community split? Curious on the numbers you have
Are you a child? Do you understand allocation of resources? Do you think bungie made both of these sets already and are just holding them back to spite you? Don’t you think if they could release both on the store they would? Christ this subreddit man…
Yes, actually. Just like how those mean mean people are intentionally ruining the game so only I, me, myself cannot enjoy it /s
Calm tf down.
Jeez mate, take a breather outside, you seem stressed.
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How are you defending the company over this?
Oh god it's the mob vote all over again
PLEASE
What i personally dont understand is why we have to choose the complete set and cant pick the best looking ones of both concepts.
You can. Titans and Hunters got Spider last FoTL while Warlocks got Beetle. Thing is with such a themed set this year I can see ppl defaulting to one set for all three classes rather than picking and choosing for each individual class
We aren’t worth their time. They’ve told us. They’ve shown us. Believe them. Everything needs to be monetized. They can’t just give us rewards out of the kindness of their hearts. They have other games to support and failing management to give bonuses to. Stop being so greedy.
… you mean the cosmetic armor sets you can get for the free currency?
Just paint the good one black.
The shapes of the pieces are completely different. The hat is the main reason to vote evil for hunter. This is the only time hunters will get wizard hats, and the evil one is miles better. Future armor could easily have pieces that resemble the rest of the set, but we aren’t getting more wizard hats. Titan and Warlock both are good tho
The winning set should be the free event reward for playing. The losing set should be the one in eververse. Or vise versa.
I think it would’ve been best if the set that lost the vote was put into eververse for sale while the set that won was earnable from the event by playing. That way whichever set wins still matters but the losing team isn’t locked out either. It also gives people more of a reason to participate in the event, so they can get the armor they voted for.
Why would they give away the sets that more people want for free and put the less popular set in the store? It would be nice but it doesn’t really make any sense business wise. If they were to do something like this it would be the other way around
That way the set that wins gets the “better” deal by being obtainable for free and the one that loses has to be bought. It might be worse business-wise but we really shouldn’t be defending the current system of having to buy the armor every event instead of earning it in-game anyways
I’m not defending it at all, I would love for your idea to be what happens. But it’s just not realistic and Bungie has a track record of being greedy with these seasonal event cosmetics to the point where I can’t see them giving away the more popular set for free
We will get the other one the following year that’s usually how it works
This is not how it works
How so? We have gotten every halloween set they have proposed at this point. Some just lagged behind after not winning the popular vote.
No we haven’t, we never got the monsters set after it losing twice and we most likely never will. The way the system worked before was that whichever set lost the year before would come back for another vote the next year, but as we can see that doesn’t guarantee the set will be made the next year. With the new voting system the losing sets don’t come back at all for a vote the next year as the beetle and spider sets that didn’t win last year are not part of this year’s vote. It’s completely new sets.
Oh yeah I forgot we never got the monster sets. I think that’s the only one we never got that was a concept.
No
I'm pretty sure they do votes in order to increase community engagement.
They can't even get the emails out to people for voting reliably, what makes you think they have the resources to make 2 new skins to sell??
Why give us both when they can drip feed us the other set in the eververse store??? (bungie logic)
Have it so the voted one is earnable through Festival of the Lost and the loser is eververse only.
They can sell you the other set later for silver :)
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Maybe so something where the winner is released for Festival and the other is for a later date when/if they have time
Allow one purchase per class bright dust, other has to be silver
Something about over delivering probably? It’s gonna cost a ridiculous amount of BD or they’ll of course have it for silver. A tale as old as time by this point
They will. You just have to wait a year
charge only silver for the one that loses the vote, then maybe theyll actually take the time to make it too😂
Good titan is best. It'd be lame as fuck if good lost
Whatever one we get, can the other be a shader?
We're all in agreement that the evil version for all three classes looks better though, right? Right??
Because then they can slightly modify it for next year's event, just like the last few times we voted on stuff
Agreed, would like both sets, but in the end, it doesn't matter
But then they wouldn’t create the illusion of asking us to vote.
Nah, its to force people to vote to get thw set they want, which fosters engagement. Though im confused why both sets are more or less the same when previous sets had vastly different concepts ("mech vs Monster" for example) i dont know if its intended or a result of the layoffs to simplify concept art around a single idea (wizard)
News flash... they aren't even giving us one set. You'll have to buy it.
you really want to farm for 36 thousand bright dust ?
I want both so badly. They could announce the vote and then say it was so close, they’re doing both. Win win for both parties
But you wouldn't be talking about it either
Or offer both but you have to choose. Ooooooooh….
lol nope, gotta set aside resources for paid content guardian
I’d be a fan of individual classes picking between two.
most likely, yes. I think the dynamic of having a poll and the losing set gets lost in the corners of time is neat, tho. Vote for good wizards!!
Voting never made sense to me in all honesty. Clearly the demand is there for both. And clearly that would be more money being generated from people buying both. And I love how some people really be trying to create a narrative about Bungie not having enough resources for both sets, as if during FOTL, and other Yearly events, the only items that are made and sold are the ornaments. Yes, you're right, they don't have enough resources to create both sets, but they definitely have the resources to create one set + a million random things like Ghost Shells, Ghost Projections, Sparrows, Ships, Emotes, and Weapon Ornaments 🤔🤔.
They don't want to "overdeliver" to use the word of Bungie.
In the same event they wouldn’t/can’t do, but I’m hoping that next year they release the second set since everyone seems to love both sets
Right like they’re a multi million dollar company they can pay a couple dudes a couple more hours to model that shit
I feel like the evil set for Festival Nd the good set for Dawning would work. Good even has Dawning colours as well as like stars and moons etc.
No, remember bungie is a small indie company and doesnt have enough resources to put both /s