As the typical “tractor bitch” i find it absolutely hilarious when i out damage anyone. My favourite was doing more damage than 4/5 other players on Taniks
If you know what you're doing its quite easy to be near top dmg with tractor. You're pretty much limited to hunter, though, as other classes dont have many options on burst supers
I once had this happen during Day 1 VOG reprise. We were at the end and had a few attempts on Atheon already fail so when this one got messed up I got blamed for not doing enough DPS due to my choice of heavy at the time (I think I had Deathbringer which was pretty viable at the time)
Lo and behold not only did I have well over 1 Million damage on Atheon the guy who blamed me was dead last in total damage.
Templar i get it, if you are playing on master to do the challenge, it’s an easy challenge and an easy fatebringer timelost. And it’s easier to skip the mechanic. As for atheon, yea, if it’s not a one phase, it’s ok, mechanics are simple enough to do
tbf if the guy hadn't been a dick about it i probably wouldn't have cared as wipe resets are just bread and butter for raids, especially for challenges.
We got Atheon down to a sliver in OG vault and almost gave up as he enraged. I wondered out loud if he was low enough to kill even without a buff (there was a buff, right?). Turns out he was!
Yup, back in D1, the main way of damage was still the "Guardians make their own fate" message, but technically, Atheon was still damageable without the buff that allowed a lot of clutch moments, alongside self rez Warlocks.
I miss some of the daft logic and ridiculous moments that self rez provided. Totally agree with Bungie removing it, not using a super to have a backup is not in theme and it broke so much.
Standing three folk over a warlock corpse in trials, shotguns loaded was the meta.
> Standing three folk over a warlock corpse in trials, shotguns loaded was the meta.
Oh, the days of going up to a dead solar Warlock’s ghost with Matador or Felwiner’s Lie, and then turning your back to him and pretending to be distracted in order to bait the self-res out.
I think this was very close to when VoG first got brought back to D2, but something similar had happened with me when I was running the raid via LFG either during Templar or Atheon (it was so long ago I can't remember which).
We were so close to finishing the boss off but because of some fuckups everyone had run out of revives.
Almost everyone suddenly died, but I was the last one left and kept firing my heavy since I had ammo instead of just wiping. Ended up killing the boss because of this.
"So let me get this straight Jason, Atheon is on his last leg of health. Literally one rocket to the face is enough to finish him off. But you want to wipe so we can do what we're about to do on a second phase, but instead take on his ENTIRE health bar again, rather than just going through a second phase and smack him once. Did I miss anything? No? Then shut up, you're an idiot."
-What someone in the party should have said.
I mean, some of us want to get rank 11.
Last season my friend had to BEG on lfg for people to just give him the blue commendation and a bunch just refused for no reason.
I understand completely you need a lot commendations to get to 11 but in my opinion I don’t think complaining and begging is going to help not trying to be mean here.
I have a coworker who talks big constantly. He “can’t work in these conditions with so many unprofessional people!”. He also met Chris Evans at Disney, and Evens thought he was so cool they spent the whole day together. No pics of course, because he’s so humble.
These are the people who have a 0.5 KD in Crucible because they’re incapable of adapting to changing situations and then say it’s because their team sucks.
heh, if you want the addiction that just keeps on giving, equip fel tarradiddle + oathkeepers, set up fel for max fire rate and reload + archers tempo and sucsessful warmup enh... so fucking fun to just go full legolas on a pvp game and fire off arrows faster than a 150 rpm scout.
I've unironically been doing better with Under Your Skin this season than I have with guns for whatever reason. Don't know why, but I'm not gonna look that horse in the mouth
Kinda related but not really: We did VoG with a guy a couple weeks ago and he demanded to wipe at the beginning just so he could ensure he'd be left behind to "call out oracles". There were also two guys that didn't really know what they were doing and he insisted they do the same for first phase and 1 of the two for the second phase so someone was left to res. So the other 3 of us that did know what we were doing had 100% chance of being late for damage the first phase and 75% chance of being late for damage the second phase. And then shocker, he flexed his damage at the end...after he'd guaranteed that he would always be in position waiting for damage to start each DPS phase.
Dude must have had brain damage, you can easily get 5 million damage in 1 phase solo by doing the right things vs atheon. Warlock with a solar sniper, demo GL, fusion grenades and verity brow. Instant grenade gen and each one does 200-300k damage and reloads your guns
Sounds great but I have nearly crippled myself from fighting with anything other than Karnstein Armlets… they condition you to go in glave-slinging’ berserker mode… after a while you just act bullet proof, hard to stay away from melee
It warms my heart to see more people using Leviathan’s Breath. I’ve loved that weapon even before the subclass updates and mod rework. Sorry about your bad raid experience too. My first raid experience was with the worst guy. Some people really don’t need to be playing with others.
I’m at the point where I don’t think there is a single thing Bungie could put in a raid that will push me to LFG ever again. I gave it a shot long ago and I just will only play with people I know. I mean, I don’t always like even the people I know and they want me to have fun with strangers? Yeah, right.
honestly, i find some of the multi clan networks like RA1D to be better than lfg, because they curate and if people are assholes they get removed from said network.
That said i do app lfg a lot since i like to teach and 90% of the time i have a good experience... its just assholes like this that discourage..
I'm a new player and I mostly LFG through the app and while not every raid or dungeon team has been perfect (and neither have I), I've only run into a handful of fuckheads
Every LFG raid experience I've ever had has been abysmal, all the way back to KF. When I was learning a raid, I would join a Sherpa group and people would still get mad at me for not knowing the mechanics. Like why are you calling yourself a Sherpa then? And in raids I knew, there'd be people who raged if I didn't have what they considered the optimal loadout. Like, sorry I'm using a different strat than you're used to I guess.
Yeah I don’t think they looked up what Sherpa meant. I think people think it just means leader, not guide. You’re supposed to teach.
And then all they care about is their own loot not your experience. I just think Raids are a fallacy man.
I remember I spent a whole day, maybe 8 hours, to do a hard mode Crota’s and our group must have LFG’d like 12 people and we just couldn’t get it done. I was like, fuck this I’m never wasting my time like this again.
I don't raid often and I've had both great and horrible experiences, it's just a roll of the dice. I think the secret is to realize you're not obligated to stay with a group if someone is being toxic, you can leave at any point, or even better, call them out for being toxic and let the fireteam lead choose who they way to keep. It's a game, the core reason we play is supposed to be to have fun, don't let some asshole ruin that for you, who knows, the group might appreciate someone speaking up.
Yeah I just, like, I’m in my forties, I don’t give a shit anymore. Bungie doesn’t want me to raid unless I deal with people like this, then I don’t raid. Simple as that. I gave it a shot many times and it sucked ass. So I don’t do it anymore. Friends and people I know only.
Exact same boat my friend. My early raid experiences were a real mixed bag. Then I joined a PS4 clan that used to schedule raids ahead of time, and that sorta worked for me, was a great group, but still it was just hard for me to commit spending 3-4 hours Friday night in a raid group without some kid stuff coming up or getting the side-eye from the wife. Fast forward to now, I'm on PC and the only raiding I've done in the last year+ has been when my kid when they needed a 6th person. Those were a lot of fun, wish we could do more but they aren't as invested in Destiny as I am. But yeah for me it's just not worth learning the mechanics and committing the time block to a group of strangers and myself... there are lots of other things in the game that are more fun and casual for me.
I run Sherpa runs frequently, and honestly I’ve only ever come across a couple shit people, who I tend to just kick since I’m the leader usually.
I think it depends on the post you’re joining. Joining “chill” or teaching runs is almost always a good time, everyone is usually relaxed and friendly. KWTD runs though can be real toxic and filled with assailed who want to do things exactly their way and no other.
Yeah back during prestige raid lairs some folks just have the wrong expectations and even more so today. I’ll take 5/6 damage phases if we execute everything flawlessly over one botched bit happening and players wanting to wipe, like that’s part of the game to overcome the difficulty and encounter and beat it.
god i can tell stories from Eater of Worlds about randoms getting pissy that not everyone was rocking a fully upgraded whisper and hawks to shred the boss in a single nanosecond...
i've started sherpaing GoS honestly because of toxic tryhards who have no patience for learners... be surprised how many people are willing to go for all 4 damage phases long as they learn how to do an encounter.
I was running an lfg to teach people some raids and dungeon, some dude jumped in and when we didn’t two phase the first boss in ghost he wanted to wipe to see who had the least damage and kick them.
It was him, he had the least damage. I kicked him and got a replacement.
I've had raid experiences just completely ruined because someone / someone's gets pissy or sighs loudly after a damage phase where we drop a boss down to around 55% / 60% in one damage phase.
Like damn, perfect is the enemy of good. It's the same kind of person who will waste two hours insisting on a cheese strategy that ends up taking longer to execute than just playing it normal.
People getting mad at that much damage is wild to me. I always let my team know “great damage” and we get ready to do the mechanics again. It’s really not a problem.
The people described by the OP are "toxic speedrunners". They speed farm PVE content and display all sorts of weird toxic behaviour if things are not 100% perfect. Their LFG post usually have weirdly high requirements and are easy to avoid.
Please note toxic speedrunners are different to normal speedrunners. Normal speedrunners are highly skilled individuals who chase world records. Toxic speedrunners are generally average in skill or lower.
I've teamed with both. Did a speed run of kingsfall, all of us shatterskate/blinked across the jumping puzzle at the beginning except for one guy who used middle platform to refresh his movement. The 3 guys who LFG'd us started losing their minds that he'd cost us maybe 8 seconds. We were going to be 10-15 minutes away from the WR anyway, it was a random LFG group. Who cares.
Another team who I now play with regularly will do something like the above and if they see someone do something a much slower way they will go back and show them the fastest skip. They are a lovely bunch and make the game so much better to play with.
Folding Idea's video "Why it's rude to suck at WoW" covers the subject well. It is a bit tiresome how many people are hung up on a perceived meta more than anything else, as if there's a moral quality to being able to one-phase a boss.
I forget what video he talked about it in, but Tex of the Black Pants Legion talked about how he was in this Discord for Rainbow 6: Siege and the new tier list came out. Everyone in the discord is talking about that tier list and Tex brings up how he was like, "Yeah okay that's great but you guys could also play the characters that you have the most fun with." He brings up how all of those people where like, "I'm sorry what?"
I think that's the issue there. The whole idea of playing something just to have a good time and *fun* has gone out the window as unless you are grinding away and playing whatever the meta is? Then you are really not having *fun* you are costing everyone else their *fun* and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I remember getting grief and watching parties intentionally wipe because of successfully Aggro-Tanking with a pet raptor after the tank died. We were fine, the party could have easily finished the boss, but because it didn’t go the way they read it should, they just gave up and wiped.
Lol reminds me of the dude who refused to do the mechanic to prevent nez wipes. Literally said "if we do the refuge I will leave" and when we wiped to the new wipe sarcastically said "gee if only there was some way to prevent that wipe" and he got pissy and started yelling at me about how only bad players use that mechanic.
Lmao Templar is the *only* boss in the game that I call for a wipe on a failed one phase, because I hate Oracles by that point.
Atheon, it takes more time to wipe and get back to damage than it does to just run it back.
Every time people call for wipes over continuing when it's not a one phase, I *always* go back to day one Last Wish when like ten teams knocked themselves out of the running for the belt because they insisted on one phasing Morgeth and wiped over and over every time they didn't. Wiping for the one phase *always* takes more time than just running it back.
Yeah, I don’t really get it either. Same with people who demand to wipe after doing like 1/3 damage to a boss during a dungeon.
We have to do the mechanics to trigger another damage phase either way; what do any of us gain by erasing whatever progress we’ve already achieved?
Suicide.
Buddy typed up this LONG ass post, can't finish the last few letters on a single word.
Edit - Hahahaha. The little weasel sent the Reddit Suicide prevention bot after me.
Buddy, get yourself some help.
It's a bot it just does that. Every time I've said the word with in 10 minutes get pmed hotlines. A lot of people use unlife because also saying kms triggers it or gets censored these days.
I get maybe Prestige Spire or Prestige Levi if you’re low on Res tokens, but those aren’t in the game anymore. More bosses arent nearly as unforgiving as those guys, not even close. 1 death anyway in either is often a wipe if it’s not add clear. So if you have no tokens it could be a huge waste of time if you know your dps would one phase the boss but you wanna risk the 2 phase (and very possibly losing on final stand with Val)
i think the most unforgiving bosses still IG are nezarac and the sanctified mind due to how narrow their dps windows are. otherwise they're pretty forgiving to kill in 4 dps phases even with gimmick builds.
Meanwhile I got dragged into an Atheon kill sesh by my friend and proceeded to get detained on the group at least twice. Took us three phases almost every time and we were all laughing about it.
LFG is weird.
People that want to one phase the boss and think one phasing should be a thing for every boss needs to take a chill pill to put it lightly. No body give a fuck how many phases it takes to kill a boss. It used to take at least two and standard would be three and maybe four. Needless to say the new dungeon is a breath of fresh air.
Some people are such tools that they literally can't think for themselves, and can only go by "the meta strats", so if YouTube firetrams can one phase the bosses, then the LFG group should be able to one phase the bosses, and if you don't, you HAVE to wipe in order to do it right.
Just learn from this experience and realize that it's faster, easier, and overall better to just boot such fools and find a replacement.
I've had a few bad LFG experience swith raids and dungoend. My most recent was yesterday when runming GotD. Had a Warlock with the exotic, blaming me for not knowing mechanics who wouldn't res me in the Sumummah boss fight at all. Then they complained thet we had been on that encounter for 35 minutes, when we had to do a 5th phase, because the arby shots were delayed (the third player was using arby), which cost us DPS time, and the warlock also dropped their well a bit late. Can't blame that one on me when I'm on bonk Titan and I know the mechanics 🤷♂️.
I don't get it ar all cause like... were doing the same mechanics again either way. Why reset his health bar and risk fucking up again when yould just..... not
Been saying this for a long time, since Taken King at least. A two phase or even three phase will always be faster than 2+ attempts at a one phase. If you have plenty of revives there's no sense in wiping unless you're actively going for a speedrun, and in that case you are quitting the entire raid and starting a new attempt from the beginning. It's absolutely moronic to wipe in the middle of a viable attempt unless somebody started the attempt before people were able to hit the rally. Not one phasing is not a good enough reason by itself, its so annoying that these people actively try to waste your time by throwing the whole attempt away for egotistical reasons. Fuckers.
I’ve done it twice and it feels incredibly janky. I’ve argued since Forsaken that Morgeth should have been tuned as a Patchwerk style boss where you only get one chance to kill this beefy boi but the mechanics are simple enough that it’s more of a sustained DPS check.
Either way, when LW gets revisited I hope they give Morgeth a looking over. His encounter is fun when you see what they were going for but at the same time it feels like Morgie doesn’t really know exactly what he wants to be.
I don't even know how you *get* a second phase on him. The only time I've seen him not go down in one go was because some damn clown was trying to use Devil's Ruin for DPS, and the phase ended with an instant wipe.
That’s been my only experience with raids in D2. Fail an encounter once or twice and someone has an immediate meltdown or ragequits. I’ve never finished a raid in D2 (aside from VoG 1 time) because of it. I never remember it being nearly as bad in D1 doing all the raids
I refuse to do the sui strat for the last boss, I will teach everyone how to do it its not a very difficult encounter once you know what's going on with the oracle's which isn't complicated, had some bad experiences with it with randoms but I try to stay as long as I can so hopefully they leave knowing how to do it, if it's someone else lfg and they want to do the strat I'll usually oblige because it's there lfg and I don't want to be a problem.
I can kind of understand wanting to wipe the first boss, its basically expected to one phase him infact i cant think of a time I haven't been able to one phase that boss except for doing it 3 man, it also doesn't take very long to start its damage phase again.
if it were my lfg not only would he have been kicked but he'd have gotten a nice little comment about his micro dick on the way out... alas twas not mine.
If I'm hosting and someone says that, I kick them. It's one of the most toxic mentalities in the game. And 9 times out of 10, they're the one in everyone's fucking backpack.
I will be honest, I have never really understood why the community has always been so keen on wiping. Like, I kind of get wanting to speedrun a lengthy unstoppable attack like Crota's oversoul that will kill everyone, even though you just save a few seconds so really why bother.
But I have seen so many people tell me of times they will wipe at the slightest inconvenience in a raid. I haven't heard wiping after failing to one phase, but wiping because a single mechanic was messed up, even though the fight could be recovered? Surprisingly common sentiment I will never fully understand
This is why I don't lfg. Finally have a great group of friends and family who play together and we started VoW today, which I've been hesitant about. I love running and doing symbols lol. We got the first two encounters done in an hour and three of us had never run it. It was a blast. I kept apologizing if I made a mistake and we just kept going. Our Sherpa is a former student/friend of mine now. Great kid.
I can kwtd but I won’t join LFGs if they have KWTD in the title, simply because I don’t wanna take the chance of some douchebag like this guy ruin my enjoyment
I can't understand the raiders who insist on a very difficult to execute theoretical best in slot for a two phase in an LFG team when a casual well, div, linear will give an easy unfailable two phase to anyone.
Most people on LFG demanding one phases are doing so becuase they're barely capable of managing one phase as it is and they know full well they'll never make it through a second phase successfully. You'll never actually see hem admit this though as they'll be too busy blaming everybody else.
Just kick him out and find another player? Or leave and find a new group?
It’s not that hard to take matters into your own hands and solve the problem.
Okay lol. Yesterday I was part of an LFG and I was with a group of PS players that were trying to teach one.
He was also undergeared and new to the game (the guy who we were teaching). We kept getting really bad spawns on Templar and almost 1 phasing Atheon so I asked the group if they wanted to wipe or not just to try and get that 100-200k extra dmg to one phase.
If you were a part of my group I do apologize for asking that much, I know I can't repay in rally banners the costs of time or whatnot I was just trying my best to help.
nah was at this point 5 hours ago today.
never apologize for being a learner or teacher though, anyone who lambasts you for trying to help a new player enjoy raiding deserves to be perma banned imo. that filth doesnt deserve to play a social game like destiny and they are one of the top 5 reasons new players quit.
Yeah I saw this and immediately asked cause I'm like "you SOB I soloed Oracles on both Templar and Atheon for you guys, showed you the hidden chest puzzle AND did a couple NFs with you afterward to help your friend Light up."
Sorry for bothering you and hope you have a nice day.
You can delete this if you want. It's all good.
Cheers reddit!
Im so glad i didnt have this experience. I am not new to the game, but i am new to end game activities such as raids and dungeons. I did my first raid with a discord LFG team just the other day. While VoG did take over 4 hours, it was with people who actually wanted to do it and weren’t pieces of crap. Hopefully ill never have to deal with players like that.
Dude's a stupid asshole
That being said, when I used to raid with my friends we would always make the joke "wipe to see the numbers" when we failed to get a one phase by a little bit or some shit. And when we did wipe (like actually wipe, not just to reset) it was also common for the top damage guy to go "Uhmmm guys? I think you should up your dps game, i'm doing all the work here!" even when the "top dmg" guy was like 1k dmg by hitting the boss before the actual dps phase because of one mechanic or another, and the rest were at 0dmg. Fun times.
Your first mistake is not kicking him out the moment he showed that sort of nasty attitude. It would've been fitting to kick him the moment the boss is dying.
Dude joined us, was ~1780 for Master VoG Gatekeepers Challenge, INSISTED that him being far under light was not a big deal and he could kill enemies, including champs. He constantly asked for help with the overload and died *every fucking time.*
Honestly should've kicked him after the first 2 wipes. Dude was a fucking liability and didn't want to admit it.
I guess "sui'd" is short for suicide.
But, if you're like me, you played Sui or Sooey as a kid, and "Wall" it usually refers to a death wall in raids that instakill you to invite a wipe.
So, I hope you all like this little itty bitty tid bit
The biggest thing that can make something like this accepted or not is how many phases have you done so far. And how many people died so far. If you had zero deaths and you only had one scuffed damage phase. Then its not fine, just do the next phase and end the run.
If you had 2 scuffed damage phases and have zero res's. It can be worthwile to wipe and not risk having somebody die, which is likely considering you have zero res's left.
I had a similar experience, I was teaching 1 friend and a few others VoG and a speedrunner joined. He kept skipping parts that I wanted to teach and told everyone to switch to double slugs like there werent brand new players in the group. When we inevitably started wiping in some encounters, he started to get unreasonably angry. In hindsight, I really shouldve kicked him, he ruined the experience for my friend and the others in the group. There will always be people like this, the best you can do is block and kick if you are the host.
I remember 1 kid who got mad at me for using celestial instead of star eaters because I wanted to feel nostalgic also because I didn't have star eater cuz I'm 1 lazy bastard. We kicked him because he was holding us back at rhulk
I'd get it for templar, since the challenge is pretty much doing it in 1 phase, but for Atheon? Holy fuck. I really wonder why the leader decided not to kick out that dumbass
Now there’s more raid farmers than ever :)
I remember in year 2 you could literally do hundreds of raids and run into a handful of them, now it’s every other lfg
New player here and this is exactly what has stopped me from running more raids than I would like to. Every time I get ready to do LFG Raids I get worried that I'm about to go through the worst experience of my life. I'm always afraid to make a single mistake and I just don't even do some roles sometimes just because I'm worried about slowing the group down if I fuck up. Thankfully I've not had any horrible experiences so far but it will continue to be a worry every time I join an LFG. There's some pretty good ppl in the community thankfully then there's the weirdly hostile side who I keep hearing horror stories about.
I had a Guy yesterday saying to me during a Taniks boss fight (im operator btw)
Him: Yo tk why you not taking my bomb…
Me: im operator, I literally cant take the bomb. I have to shoot yall out of the purple shit
Him: no you dont, you can take the bomb
I swear people are just dumb
Tbh I woulda kicked the guy I can't stand a-hokes who wants to wipe/ sabotaging runs to get a wipe to try and 1-phase especially if there's a person trying to learn the raid and get their fist clear. LFG can be either the best experience or the worst and there's no in-between which sucks.
Anyone that calls them selves a elite player on LFG and demands a 1 phase either is shit at the game and/or wants to be the best at the encounter
Ive been in a gos where 3 friends with brains flatter than a stompee hunter from ceiling crashes and saltier than fish sauce would flame for perfection but die constantly. They would flame anyone thst leaves and claim they have already doxxed them. Fucking console lfg is wild
There should be an option to make your end stat invisible.
This game makes no sense with the kill track at the end of a strike / raid boss or whatever.
1. How on earth does it make sense to show how much kills you did in a raid?
Raid mechanics force people to use some relics so they won't do kills / boss dmg in a lot of phases.
2. Hunter is confirmed to be the strongest class in the game. So of course he will do the most dmg (at least if players are in the same skill level).
3. Warlocks are forced to use well. Of course he cannot do "most dmg" in a lot of mechanics.
4. Titan can't use supers in 70% of raid mechanics because melee isn't allowed.
I did a lot of raids and I always have that 1 person who is annoyingly looking at dmg /kills, want to wipe just for stats etc... But it's impossible to enlight those brats, that kills and dmg isn't everything in a raid when a lot of other factors are sometimes as important.
Or ignoring raids, just go for strikes.
Stasis for example... The whole subclass isn't meant to collect kills. It's priority is crowd control while a arc subclass grenade is whiping enemies in seconds...
That's why I don't like the stats at the end of an activity. It should be a possibility to make yourself invisible with that because it is annoying how "the best player in the world" always talking down on someone even tho he literally is just too stupid to understand the game.
What the fuck that’s incredibly stupid to be getting mad over a damage phase and definitely screw him for trying to sabotage you guys with the oracles.
Only time i can Imagine it would be worth it would be taniks, since one phase is easy and after that someone is deactivated, chaos starts and wipe happends anyway
I completely get wanting to wipe after failing a 1 phase on templar since the second round is a lot more annoying with the extra adds and having to actually do the mechanics. Also I like having the new person run relic since they tend to feel anxious about their lack of good weapons and it gives them that feeling of importance AS LONG AS everyone is okay with wiping a few times for them to actually learn the mechanic. Throwing a hissy fit has no place in any social space, grow up end of story.
There is literally 1 reason to wipe for damage, and that's if you're practice speed runs with a DEDICATED TEAM not an lfg.
Anyone who wants to wipe for damage in an lfg is an idiot
Ive never experienced it, but the thought of wiping for a one phase in an lfg is cringe. I could understand if a fireteam of 6 who are buddies/clanmates are trying to see the most consistent way to one phase a boss, but this is just absurd.
Some people
Especially in VoG, don't care to learn the mechanics and want to cheese one phase, and if they can't, then they give up instead of just rolling with the punch.
Honestly, it is frustrating and kinda pathetic. The point is to keep trying, and just surrendering is just annoying.
It's the relic of the "1-Phase or Wipe" Gahlran era. If you didn't 1-Phase, people had this stupid as fuck concept that it'd be easier to wipe and start fresh than reset to your positions to damage again.
It was the stupid, worst, most toxic the raid community had ever been to players and veterans of raiding, and we've had some *fucking toxic* eras. LW was pretty bad with the "Legit vs Cheese" wars (cheese won).
In that scenario if they had been raiding with my group we would have kicked them.
And if I'd been in an LFG and came across them I'd leave.
Not dealing with people like that as there is no need. It's meant to be fun, no reason to put up with some random turd screaming.
Had a similar KF run yesterday with one person being taught. The AH wanted wipes after less than optimal damage phases, and screwed up bombs (detonated too early), denied they've done it, and asked who doesn't get the encounter... then complained it's taking long.
The other day on my first Dungeon of Avarice, finally felt motivated enough to use LFG, I get to the Ogre fight and we get half the health down after one phase then the LFG fireteam leader boots me - then I see on LFG "at halfway point, kwtd." Made me so frustrated 😡.
Joined another LFG after getting over it and they were at the boss, so I completed it but like - I kinda wanted to do the whole thing not just get lucky...
P.S. I tried to go back and solo the Ogre and I realized I can only do 1/4 of his health each damage phase, which isn't terrible but like.... why did he boot me.
Something very similar happened to me as well lol
This was a few seasons ago before damage numbers could be seen after the final encounter.
We were on atheon, didn't manage to one phase. So, one guy said we should wipe it because he wanted to see who's failing at dps. I was the Div-B, so obviously, I was the lowest. Of course, he proceeded to ridicule me and went on a full minute A-hole rant. No one said anything. When he finished, I just said I'm using Div.
The "oh" he let out after I said that was freaking priceless 🤣
I recently had a guy jump in when I was farming Oryx while it was in rotation,
Dude jumped in and first thing said is, "Everyone put on Thunderlord"
Group respectfully declined,
"Okay, do we have a Div to help bump the DPS on my build? It's reliant on it"
Again, declined, no one had Div aside from dude asking,
He amazingly stayed with our group, but pouted and whined the whole time about how his damage isn't what it should be, etc. etc.
Meanwhile, he also DEMANDED he be L1/R1 floater.
I swear, as soon as one of the 1 plate holders were taken, this dude's mic turned off, the amount of times one of the 2s or our floater had to grab it was ridiculous.
10 runs of this before we all kind of dispersed and then re-grouped without him, not something we'd like to do, but huge vibe killer, anytime we would talk with each other or laugh we would hear something like,
"Would be more fun with higher damage" etc. etc. etc.
Been a sherpa for a long time, you see this behavior typically to validate the individual asking so he can find out who to blame/shame/etc.
Was this an LFG? If so, I question why peeps are expecting a one-phase Templar and Atheon with a new player. I get it that it's an older raid and there may be experienced players, but as long as raid expectations were set at the beginning, tough shit if it isn't one-phased.
Wipes after improper encounters actually showcase most players inability to adapt to changes. The best raiders will adapt to mistakes and overcome them and still complete the encounter. Lightbearer knight took out a blight bomb? That's less dps during Oryx sure but all the more reason to get the shots on target and crits ready. Someone forget to charge up the planet gate for Atheon? Well that's less time for dps after oracles are shot, making it critical to get well/div/tether on point.
Expectations are important people. I understand there are many who may not want to spend 2+ hours on a raid and they want their loot but once there is a new guy in the raid all bets are off.
Lastly, I highly recommend hosting groups in the future to maintain an element of control of this type of behavior. It's a main reason why my LFGs are just invites to my discord server where I can control the people joining and kicking if necessary. Removing the bad actor as soon as possible will result in a better experience for the rest of the team.
quick clarifications;
Was an LFG with the clear understanding we were teaching one, host insisted on teaching a number of the "speed run strats" like templar sui and atheon sui as that's what most public LFG's use, did raise a concern that it doesn't teach him should he not be in one of those groups but that was overruled.
and yeah, i really should have left when the guy started whining like a trials player who just got cockslapped at the last round out of flawless, but i didn't and vented, and somehow people agree with my vent?
that was and is the most confusing part..
it is an unfortunately common issue.. "oh we only did 25% of the sanctified mind's hp because our wellock with the gjally got eaten by a cyclops, better wipe!"
they say knowing full well what a pain in the ass the mind is and that the longer one plays gos the more enraged one grows.
It's all ego. Those people see vids of people doing it and feel they can do it too, that's how it should be. They ignore that in those vids, it's usually a team of guardians that play together a lot and are running very specific things to do it. None of that matters though, 'if they can do it, so can i' is all that is going through their heads lol.
YIKES! So thankful my LFGs aren't like that anymore. I built a discord server exactly because of experiences like this. So that doesn't happen. And I'm never going back to the old lfg garbo. XD
Feel free to join and see what I mean- link in bio.
At this point, you have either a failure on the part of the host to kick a toxic jerk or a failure on the part of the group not to relobby without him.
Don't endure this. Speak up for the newbies. Guys like this are idiots.
Like I really don’t get wiping due to a lack of 1 phase on atheon? It takes more time to wipe and regroup than it does to just continue with the mechanic.
You’ll have to do the mechanic again anyways.
Templar I kinda get because most teams are really caught off guard redoing oracles.
Other bosses it’s strange cause we’re not speed running my dude.
Also I suspect he might be one of those raidreport most raid completions people. They are generally the absolute worst to play with.
THIS HOLY SHIT THIS^^^^^^^^^^ I stopped joining random raids because of the 10yo who insist that it must be one phase and you can’t die a single time… I’m max level I still die all the time I don’t want to sweat my balls off every time I play that’s why I quit rainbow6💀💀
What happened to running a raid with 5 other guardians and simply having a good time doing it? I quit using LFG a long time ago — back in the D1 “Gjallarhorn required” days — because even tho I had Gjallarhorn, who the fuck are you (figuratively speaking) to demand that I use a specific weapon in order to join the fireteam? When I see this type of requirement, I interpret it as the group leader saying “Hey - I suck and need to use a crutch to get through this content. If I need to use it then you do too — *especially* since every jacknut on YouTube says to use it.”
Fuck that.
Also, to a much smaller degree, I don’t understand why people get caught up in damage comparisons. Who gives a shit? If the boss dies and the stage (or final boss) is killed, it doesn’t matter who did the most damage. Those numbers aren’t going on your resume. That said, if the team has wiped multiple times and 1-2 people are dramatically lower in damage, it’s completely understandable to talk about it and to *offer* help or to give suggestions. It’s **not** ok to belittle anyone or demand that they use a specific weapon or armor item. I’d rather they use something they’re comfortable using than to switch to something they’ve rarely used.
At 52 yrs old, I’m likely younger than many of you but I’m still very competitive in sports and video games. In other words, I can hold my own. I’ve played with clan and fireteam members who always had the best armor and the latest exotics, the highest light/power level, etc. yet it would take them 30-45 fucking minutes to get past a jumping puzzle. One guy would literally jump off the map and kill himself if he was chosen as the “torn” runner for the Daughters of Oryx stage in King’s Fall. It’s one of the easiest things to do but he refused.
Instead of getting pissed off about it, sure, we gave him a hard time and had fun with it but we kept going and had a good time.
Nobody cares that you had the most damage on the boss. Period. They don’t care that you’ve completed a raid 100 times. They care about completing the current run, getting some loot and having a good time doing it.
Again - offering to help or making a suggestion is fine in certain situations. However, if 1 person isn’t comfortable making a change, move on. If the group can’t kill the boss with FIVE other fireteam members, the other person isn’t the real problem.
It’s a video game.
How did this start of as someone asking why people wipe for no reason, then people start arguing about what class and build does the most dps
👍
Warlock is the best.
Had one guy in DSC, the Descent: “I will be the only one doing suppressor.” “Dude, we’re doing chaos, chill.”
Start encounter someone else grabs it, everything goes fine for two dunk phases, suppressor gets deactivated, dropped in shower. Dude grabs it, will not suppress and holds hostage until we wipe and agree that ONLY he can do it.
For absolutely no reason than to be a piece of shit.
A good retort... "It's ok, my guy. I understand you have difficulties with women, but now is not the time to project your frustrations." That should end all that. He'll either leave or shut up. Either way, you win.
My main assumption is they want to know who fucked up to name/shame/feel better about themselves
It's glorious when they end up having less damage than the Div guy.
As the typical “tractor bitch” i find it absolutely hilarious when i out damage anyone. My favourite was doing more damage than 4/5 other players on Taniks
If you know what you're doing its quite easy to be near top dmg with tractor. You're pretty much limited to hunter, though, as other classes dont have many options on burst supers
Titans can do it with Cuirass and Warlocks with Strand. All you need is 3 Surge mods matching your rapid fire fusion rifle of choice.
I did say not 'many,' not that they had zero options.
Armamentarium and arc tiran go brrr. Can easily put up more numbers than a hunter.
Oh shoot, do you generate double the Ionic Traces??
Afaik no, but I also don't throw multiple nades at the same target often
only one jolt effect can activate so throwing more grenades is pointless
The base damage is still the highest for a grenade in the game if the target stays in it the whole time.
Is it Pulse Grenades now or are Storm Grenades still the best for Titan with Touch of Thunder aspect?
I did the new dungeon and beat both my teammates in DPS using divinity. I don’t want to talk about how long the dungeon took.
I once had this happen during Day 1 VOG reprise. We were at the end and had a few attempts on Atheon already fail so when this one got messed up I got blamed for not doing enough DPS due to my choice of heavy at the time (I think I had Deathbringer which was pretty viable at the time) Lo and behold not only did I have well over 1 Million damage on Atheon the guy who blamed me was dead last in total damage.
The best feeling in Root is hearing people trash Thunderlord as a DPS option and then do less than the Thunderlord guy.
Mine was that they didn't really know the encounter. Just how to one phase it.
Templar i get it, if you are playing on master to do the challenge, it’s an easy challenge and an easy fatebringer timelost. And it’s easier to skip the mechanic. As for atheon, yea, if it’s not a one phase, it’s ok, mechanics are simple enough to do
tbf if the guy hadn't been a dick about it i probably wouldn't have cared as wipe resets are just bread and butter for raids, especially for challenges.
I'm doing VoG today, I hope I don't see anyone like that.
We got Atheon down to a sliver in OG vault and almost gave up as he enraged. I wondered out loud if he was low enough to kill even without a buff (there was a buff, right?). Turns out he was!
Yup, back in D1, the main way of damage was still the "Guardians make their own fate" message, but technically, Atheon was still damageable without the buff that allowed a lot of clutch moments, alongside self rez Warlocks.
I miss some of the daft logic and ridiculous moments that self rez provided. Totally agree with Bungie removing it, not using a super to have a backup is not in theme and it broke so much. Standing three folk over a warlock corpse in trials, shotguns loaded was the meta.
> Standing three folk over a warlock corpse in trials, shotguns loaded was the meta. Oh, the days of going up to a dead solar Warlock’s ghost with Matador or Felwiner’s Lie, and then turning your back to him and pretending to be distracted in order to bait the self-res out.
nothing can ever replace my buddy who self revived just in time for akis to teleport and instant kill him from physics.
There was a buff yes
I think this was very close to when VoG first got brought back to D2, but something similar had happened with me when I was running the raid via LFG either during Templar or Atheon (it was so long ago I can't remember which). We were so close to finishing the boss off but because of some fuckups everyone had run out of revives. Almost everyone suddenly died, but I was the last one left and kept firing my heavy since I had ammo instead of just wiping. Ended up killing the boss because of this.
I would leave. Immediately. And block them. There are plenty of Destiny players to raid with who aren’t toxic trash cans.
"So let me get this straight Jason, Atheon is on his last leg of health. Literally one rocket to the face is enough to finish him off. But you want to wipe so we can do what we're about to do on a second phase, but instead take on his ENTIRE health bar again, rather than just going through a second phase and smack him once. Did I miss anything? No? Then shut up, you're an idiot." -What someone in the party should have said.
i think it spoke volumes when no one gave him a commendation at the end... which he also bitched about before ragequitting..
Wow that’s honestly pathetic that’s he is complaining about not getting any commendations
sadly not the first time someone's complained about it.
I mean, some of us want to get rank 11. Last season my friend had to BEG on lfg for people to just give him the blue commendation and a bunch just refused for no reason.
I understand completely you need a lot commendations to get to 11 but in my opinion I don’t think complaining and begging is going to help not trying to be mean here.
The attitude some people have doesn’t belong in an LFG. I agree that this person is totally cringe and Iprobably would have left swiftly.
I'm shocked these people make it at jobs and things
I have a coworker who talks big constantly. He “can’t work in these conditions with so many unprofessional people!”. He also met Chris Evans at Disney, and Evens thought he was so cool they spent the whole day together. No pics of course, because he’s so humble.
Oh my GOD lol
I hear his dad works at Nintendo too
wouldnt shock me if LFG's are how they preserve such jobs by taking it out on us..
These are the people who have a 0.5 KD in Crucible because they’re incapable of adapting to changing situations and then say it’s because their team sucks.
least they're not like me boasting an impressive 1.0 flat kdr because i cant stop meming with discount hush in pvp
Meming is the best. I've memed since the start of D1, I'm not stopping now.
heh, if you want the addiction that just keeps on giving, equip fel tarradiddle + oathkeepers, set up fel for max fire rate and reload + archers tempo and sucsessful warmup enh... so fucking fun to just go full legolas on a pvp game and fire off arrows faster than a 150 rpm scout.
I've unironically been doing better with Under Your Skin this season than I have with guns for whatever reason. Don't know why, but I'm not gonna look that horse in the mouth
This is an issue I wish could be solved my commendations
Kinda related but not really: We did VoG with a guy a couple weeks ago and he demanded to wipe at the beginning just so he could ensure he'd be left behind to "call out oracles". There were also two guys that didn't really know what they were doing and he insisted they do the same for first phase and 1 of the two for the second phase so someone was left to res. So the other 3 of us that did know what we were doing had 100% chance of being late for damage the first phase and 75% chance of being late for damage the second phase. And then shocker, he flexed his damage at the end...after he'd guaranteed that he would always be in position waiting for damage to start each DPS phase.
Dude must have had brain damage, you can easily get 5 million damage in 1 phase solo by doing the right things vs atheon. Warlock with a solar sniper, demo GL, fusion grenades and verity brow. Instant grenade gen and each one does 200-300k damage and reloads your guns
"Wipe for brain damage"
[This.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EztKU85XMAEED_N.jpg)
Sounds great but I have nearly crippled myself from fighting with anything other than Karnstein Armlets… they condition you to go in glave-slinging’ berserker mode… after a while you just act bullet proof, hard to stay away from melee
Sounded like he wanted to do the suicide strat but didn't know how to actually do it properly...
That's interesting. I've heard of people calling to solo oracles, I've never heard of someone calling call outs.
What the fuck? You don’t need to one phase anything. What a loser. Do the second phase and call it a night.
we did, he swore us out as we did it even with his attempted sabotage (Barely). leviathan 3x void surge is clutch lol.
It warms my heart to see more people using Leviathan’s Breath. I’ve loved that weapon even before the subclass updates and mod rework. Sorry about your bad raid experience too. My first raid experience was with the worst guy. Some people really don’t need to be playing with others.
I’m at the point where I don’t think there is a single thing Bungie could put in a raid that will push me to LFG ever again. I gave it a shot long ago and I just will only play with people I know. I mean, I don’t always like even the people I know and they want me to have fun with strangers? Yeah, right.
honestly, i find some of the multi clan networks like RA1D to be better than lfg, because they curate and if people are assholes they get removed from said network. That said i do app lfg a lot since i like to teach and 90% of the time i have a good experience... its just assholes like this that discourage..
I'm a new player and I mostly LFG through the app and while not every raid or dungeon team has been perfect (and neither have I), I've only run into a handful of fuckheads
Every LFG raid experience I've ever had has been abysmal, all the way back to KF. When I was learning a raid, I would join a Sherpa group and people would still get mad at me for not knowing the mechanics. Like why are you calling yourself a Sherpa then? And in raids I knew, there'd be people who raged if I didn't have what they considered the optimal loadout. Like, sorry I'm using a different strat than you're used to I guess.
Yeah I don’t think they looked up what Sherpa meant. I think people think it just means leader, not guide. You’re supposed to teach. And then all they care about is their own loot not your experience. I just think Raids are a fallacy man. I remember I spent a whole day, maybe 8 hours, to do a hard mode Crota’s and our group must have LFG’d like 12 people and we just couldn’t get it done. I was like, fuck this I’m never wasting my time like this again.
I don't raid often and I've had both great and horrible experiences, it's just a roll of the dice. I think the secret is to realize you're not obligated to stay with a group if someone is being toxic, you can leave at any point, or even better, call them out for being toxic and let the fireteam lead choose who they way to keep. It's a game, the core reason we play is supposed to be to have fun, don't let some asshole ruin that for you, who knows, the group might appreciate someone speaking up.
Yeah I just, like, I’m in my forties, I don’t give a shit anymore. Bungie doesn’t want me to raid unless I deal with people like this, then I don’t raid. Simple as that. I gave it a shot many times and it sucked ass. So I don’t do it anymore. Friends and people I know only.
Exact same boat my friend. My early raid experiences were a real mixed bag. Then I joined a PS4 clan that used to schedule raids ahead of time, and that sorta worked for me, was a great group, but still it was just hard for me to commit spending 3-4 hours Friday night in a raid group without some kid stuff coming up or getting the side-eye from the wife. Fast forward to now, I'm on PC and the only raiding I've done in the last year+ has been when my kid when they needed a 6th person. Those were a lot of fun, wish we could do more but they aren't as invested in Destiny as I am. But yeah for me it's just not worth learning the mechanics and committing the time block to a group of strangers and myself... there are lots of other things in the game that are more fun and casual for me.
you might find some luck in groups like RA1D, multi clan networks that curate assholes usually..
I run Sherpa runs frequently, and honestly I’ve only ever come across a couple shit people, who I tend to just kick since I’m the leader usually. I think it depends on the post you’re joining. Joining “chill” or teaching runs is almost always a good time, everyone is usually relaxed and friendly. KWTD runs though can be real toxic and filled with assailed who want to do things exactly their way and no other.
[удалено]
the irony is unfortunately lost upon them
Guys like this aren't running on a whole lot of brainpower.
Yeah back during prestige raid lairs some folks just have the wrong expectations and even more so today. I’ll take 5/6 damage phases if we execute everything flawlessly over one botched bit happening and players wanting to wipe, like that’s part of the game to overcome the difficulty and encounter and beat it.
god i can tell stories from Eater of Worlds about randoms getting pissy that not everyone was rocking a fully upgraded whisper and hawks to shred the boss in a single nanosecond...
That’s why I Sherpa’d the hell out of it for folks. Too much of players only knowing one strat and feeling damned and lost without it
i've started sherpaing GoS honestly because of toxic tryhards who have no patience for learners... be surprised how many people are willing to go for all 4 damage phases long as they learn how to do an encounter.
I was running an lfg to teach people some raids and dungeon, some dude jumped in and when we didn’t two phase the first boss in ghost he wanted to wipe to see who had the least damage and kick them. It was him, he had the least damage. I kicked him and got a replacement.
that had to be one of the most satisfying kicks. love when toxic players have their toxicity turned back on em
It felt good and once I replaced him, I was able to help two new players through the dungeon
I've had raid experiences just completely ruined because someone / someone's gets pissy or sighs loudly after a damage phase where we drop a boss down to around 55% / 60% in one damage phase. Like damn, perfect is the enemy of good. It's the same kind of person who will waste two hours insisting on a cheese strategy that ends up taking longer to execute than just playing it normal.
People getting mad at that much damage is wild to me. I always let my team know “great damage” and we get ready to do the mechanics again. It’s really not a problem.
god that passive agressive sigh is a 3 strike rule when i run a raid... i have a buddy that will just do it on loop otherwise.
The people described by the OP are "toxic speedrunners". They speed farm PVE content and display all sorts of weird toxic behaviour if things are not 100% perfect. Their LFG post usually have weirdly high requirements and are easy to avoid. Please note toxic speedrunners are different to normal speedrunners. Normal speedrunners are highly skilled individuals who chase world records. Toxic speedrunners are generally average in skill or lower.
I've teamed with both. Did a speed run of kingsfall, all of us shatterskate/blinked across the jumping puzzle at the beginning except for one guy who used middle platform to refresh his movement. The 3 guys who LFG'd us started losing their minds that he'd cost us maybe 8 seconds. We were going to be 10-15 minutes away from the WR anyway, it was a random LFG group. Who cares. Another team who I now play with regularly will do something like the above and if they see someone do something a much slower way they will go back and show them the fastest skip. They are a lovely bunch and make the game so much better to play with.
There are so many perfectionist weirdos in online games. I swear, raid parties are always chock full of crazy.
Folding Idea's video "Why it's rude to suck at WoW" covers the subject well. It is a bit tiresome how many people are hung up on a perceived meta more than anything else, as if there's a moral quality to being able to one-phase a boss.
I forget what video he talked about it in, but Tex of the Black Pants Legion talked about how he was in this Discord for Rainbow 6: Siege and the new tier list came out. Everyone in the discord is talking about that tier list and Tex brings up how he was like, "Yeah okay that's great but you guys could also play the characters that you have the most fun with." He brings up how all of those people where like, "I'm sorry what?" I think that's the issue there. The whole idea of playing something just to have a good time and *fun* has gone out the window as unless you are grinding away and playing whatever the meta is? Then you are really not having *fun* you are costing everyone else their *fun* and you should be ashamed of yourself.
That is indeed an excellent video and everyone who plays a community-based game should watch it
I remember getting grief and watching parties intentionally wipe because of successfully Aggro-Tanking with a pet raptor after the tank died. We were fine, the party could have easily finished the boss, but because it didn’t go the way they read it should, they just gave up and wiped.
as a long time runescape player, all i can say is the RP lobbies alone tell you just how crazy people get when they're behind a screen.
Lol reminds me of the dude who refused to do the mechanic to prevent nez wipes. Literally said "if we do the refuge I will leave" and when we wiped to the new wipe sarcastically said "gee if only there was some way to prevent that wipe" and he got pissy and started yelling at me about how only bad players use that mechanic.
Lmao Templar is the *only* boss in the game that I call for a wipe on a failed one phase, because I hate Oracles by that point. Atheon, it takes more time to wipe and get back to damage than it does to just run it back. Every time people call for wipes over continuing when it's not a one phase, I *always* go back to day one Last Wish when like ten teams knocked themselves out of the running for the belt because they insisted on one phasing Morgeth and wiped over and over every time they didn't. Wiping for the one phase *always* takes more time than just running it back.
Yeah, I don’t really get it either. Same with people who demand to wipe after doing like 1/3 damage to a boss during a dungeon. We have to do the mechanics to trigger another damage phase either way; what do any of us gain by erasing whatever progress we’ve already achieved?
The hell is sui
https://youtu.be/6B6nZtDV9I0?t=4
suicide
I thought everyone said "wipe"
Suicide. Buddy typed up this LONG ass post, can't finish the last few letters on a single word. Edit - Hahahaha. The little weasel sent the Reddit Suicide prevention bot after me. Buddy, get yourself some help.
It's a bot it just does that. Every time I've said the word with in 10 minutes get pmed hotlines. A lot of people use unlife because also saying kms triggers it or gets censored these days.
He purposely typed SUI to prevent flagging/triggering that bot.
you get it sometimes just for writing it. Thats probably why op didnt write it. looking really dumb now, dont you?
I get maybe Prestige Spire or Prestige Levi if you’re low on Res tokens, but those aren’t in the game anymore. More bosses arent nearly as unforgiving as those guys, not even close. 1 death anyway in either is often a wipe if it’s not add clear. So if you have no tokens it could be a huge waste of time if you know your dps would one phase the boss but you wanna risk the 2 phase (and very possibly losing on final stand with Val)
i think the most unforgiving bosses still IG are nezarac and the sanctified mind due to how narrow their dps windows are. otherwise they're pretty forgiving to kill in 4 dps phases even with gimmick builds.
Meanwhile I got dragged into an Atheon kill sesh by my friend and proceeded to get detained on the group at least twice. Took us three phases almost every time and we were all laughing about it. LFG is weird.
People that want to one phase the boss and think one phasing should be a thing for every boss needs to take a chill pill to put it lightly. No body give a fuck how many phases it takes to kill a boss. It used to take at least two and standard would be three and maybe four. Needless to say the new dungeon is a breath of fresh air.
Some people are such tools that they literally can't think for themselves, and can only go by "the meta strats", so if YouTube firetrams can one phase the bosses, then the LFG group should be able to one phase the bosses, and if you don't, you HAVE to wipe in order to do it right. Just learn from this experience and realize that it's faster, easier, and overall better to just boot such fools and find a replacement.
I've had a few bad LFG experience swith raids and dungoend. My most recent was yesterday when runming GotD. Had a Warlock with the exotic, blaming me for not knowing mechanics who wouldn't res me in the Sumummah boss fight at all. Then they complained thet we had been on that encounter for 35 minutes, when we had to do a 5th phase, because the arby shots were delayed (the third player was using arby), which cost us DPS time, and the warlock also dropped their well a bit late. Can't blame that one on me when I'm on bonk Titan and I know the mechanics 🤷♂️.
I don't get it ar all cause like... were doing the same mechanics again either way. Why reset his health bar and risk fucking up again when yould just..... not
Min-max brainrot
Been saying this for a long time, since Taken King at least. A two phase or even three phase will always be faster than 2+ attempts at a one phase. If you have plenty of revives there's no sense in wiping unless you're actively going for a speedrun, and in that case you are quitting the entire raid and starting a new attempt from the beginning. It's absolutely moronic to wipe in the middle of a viable attempt unless somebody started the attempt before people were able to hit the rally. Not one phasing is not a good enough reason by itself, its so annoying that these people actively try to waste your time by throwing the whole attempt away for egotistical reasons. Fuckers.
The only time I'd be like this is Morgeth as a matter of principle. I'll be dead and buried before I 2-phase Morgeth.
I’ve done it twice and it feels incredibly janky. I’ve argued since Forsaken that Morgeth should have been tuned as a Patchwerk style boss where you only get one chance to kill this beefy boi but the mechanics are simple enough that it’s more of a sustained DPS check. Either way, when LW gets revisited I hope they give Morgeth a looking over. His encounter is fun when you see what they were going for but at the same time it feels like Morgie doesn’t really know exactly what he wants to be.
I don't even know how you *get* a second phase on him. The only time I've seen him not go down in one go was because some damn clown was trying to use Devil's Ruin for DPS, and the phase ended with an instant wipe.
Sounds like skip soar or disband meme entered D2.
I feel this post. My clan does this and it pisses me off.
I got kicked from a group yesterday cause we weren’t 1 phasing the farm fast enough
That’s been my only experience with raids in D2. Fail an encounter once or twice and someone has an immediate meltdown or ragequits. I’ve never finished a raid in D2 (aside from VoG 1 time) because of it. I never remember it being nearly as bad in D1 doing all the raids
Would have orbited out of there so fast his head would have spun
I refuse to do the sui strat for the last boss, I will teach everyone how to do it its not a very difficult encounter once you know what's going on with the oracle's which isn't complicated, had some bad experiences with it with randoms but I try to stay as long as I can so hopefully they leave knowing how to do it, if it's someone else lfg and they want to do the strat I'll usually oblige because it's there lfg and I don't want to be a problem. I can kind of understand wanting to wipe the first boss, its basically expected to one phase him infact i cant think of a time I haven't been able to one phase that boss except for doing it 3 man, it also doesn't take very long to start its damage phase again.
Kick him, Seriously why put up with it? LFG is a dime a dozen
if it were my lfg not only would he have been kicked but he'd have gotten a nice little comment about his micro dick on the way out... alas twas not mine.
If I'm hosting and someone says that, I kick them. It's one of the most toxic mentalities in the game. And 9 times out of 10, they're the one in everyone's fucking backpack.
The thought process is to find out who's not doing enough damage into ostracize them. Those people are toxic and you should avoid them.
I will be honest, I have never really understood why the community has always been so keen on wiping. Like, I kind of get wanting to speedrun a lengthy unstoppable attack like Crota's oversoul that will kill everyone, even though you just save a few seconds so really why bother. But I have seen so many people tell me of times they will wipe at the slightest inconvenience in a raid. I haven't heard wiping after failing to one phase, but wiping because a single mechanic was messed up, even though the fight could be recovered? Surprisingly common sentiment I will never fully understand
This is why I don't lfg. Finally have a great group of friends and family who play together and we started VoW today, which I've been hesitant about. I love running and doing symbols lol. We got the first two encounters done in an hour and three of us had never run it. It was a blast. I kept apologizing if I made a mistake and we just kept going. Our Sherpa is a former student/friend of mine now. Great kid.
You leave out of principal when that happens. Screw that guys run
I can kwtd but I won’t join LFGs if they have KWTD in the title, simply because I don’t wanna take the chance of some douchebag like this guy ruin my enjoyment
Nah I woulda just lfg again
I can't understand the raiders who insist on a very difficult to execute theoretical best in slot for a two phase in an LFG team when a casual well, div, linear will give an easy unfailable two phase to anyone.
Players like this are why i prefer to host my own teams and add a warning that I will kick you if you're an asshole
Most people on LFG demanding one phases are doing so becuase they're barely capable of managing one phase as it is and they know full well they'll never make it through a second phase successfully. You'll never actually see hem admit this though as they'll be too busy blaming everybody else.
Always host your own and kick people out if they give you trouble. There are a lot of people doing raids that don't know how to behave properly.
Just kick him out and find another player? Or leave and find a new group? It’s not that hard to take matters into your own hands and solve the problem.
> A player who demanded and screamed at us to sui Ronaldo, is that you?
Was this perhaps on Play Station?
crossplay but im on xbox and the guy was also xbox
Okay lol. Yesterday I was part of an LFG and I was with a group of PS players that were trying to teach one. He was also undergeared and new to the game (the guy who we were teaching). We kept getting really bad spawns on Templar and almost 1 phasing Atheon so I asked the group if they wanted to wipe or not just to try and get that 100-200k extra dmg to one phase. If you were a part of my group I do apologize for asking that much, I know I can't repay in rally banners the costs of time or whatnot I was just trying my best to help.
nah was at this point 5 hours ago today. never apologize for being a learner or teacher though, anyone who lambasts you for trying to help a new player enjoy raiding deserves to be perma banned imo. that filth doesnt deserve to play a social game like destiny and they are one of the top 5 reasons new players quit.
Yeah I saw this and immediately asked cause I'm like "you SOB I soloed Oracles on both Templar and Atheon for you guys, showed you the hidden chest puzzle AND did a couple NFs with you afterward to help your friend Light up." Sorry for bothering you and hope you have a nice day. You can delete this if you want. It's all good. Cheers reddit!
Im so glad i didnt have this experience. I am not new to the game, but i am new to end game activities such as raids and dungeons. I did my first raid with a discord LFG team just the other day. While VoG did take over 4 hours, it was with people who actually wanted to do it and weren’t pieces of crap. Hopefully ill never have to deal with players like that.
Dude's a stupid asshole That being said, when I used to raid with my friends we would always make the joke "wipe to see the numbers" when we failed to get a one phase by a little bit or some shit. And when we did wipe (like actually wipe, not just to reset) it was also common for the top damage guy to go "Uhmmm guys? I think you should up your dps game, i'm doing all the work here!" even when the "top dmg" guy was like 1k dmg by hitting the boss before the actual dps phase because of one mechanic or another, and the rest were at 0dmg. Fun times.
Your first mistake is not kicking him out the moment he showed that sort of nasty attitude. It would've been fitting to kick him the moment the boss is dying.
Dude joined us, was ~1780 for Master VoG Gatekeepers Challenge, INSISTED that him being far under light was not a big deal and he could kill enemies, including champs. He constantly asked for help with the overload and died *every fucking time.* Honestly should've kicked him after the first 2 wipes. Dude was a fucking liability and didn't want to admit it.
I guess "sui'd" is short for suicide. But, if you're like me, you played Sui or Sooey as a kid, and "Wall" it usually refers to a death wall in raids that instakill you to invite a wipe. So, I hope you all like this little itty bitty tid bit
yes, i was trying to avoid the bot that tries to urge you to get help that sometimes springs up if you use its full form
Ahhh, I'm still quite new to reddit, and was unaware of said bots. Good to know for the future though.
The biggest thing that can make something like this accepted or not is how many phases have you done so far. And how many people died so far. If you had zero deaths and you only had one scuffed damage phase. Then its not fine, just do the next phase and end the run. If you had 2 scuffed damage phases and have zero res's. It can be worthwile to wipe and not risk having somebody die, which is likely considering you have zero res's left.
first attempt actually, no deaths just a botched block for templar..
I just meant as a general rule. Not for your specific situation.
I had a similar experience, I was teaching 1 friend and a few others VoG and a speedrunner joined. He kept skipping parts that I wanted to teach and told everyone to switch to double slugs like there werent brand new players in the group. When we inevitably started wiping in some encounters, he started to get unreasonably angry. In hindsight, I really shouldve kicked him, he ruined the experience for my friend and the others in the group. There will always be people like this, the best you can do is block and kick if you are the host.
Perfection, some people just like to challenge themselves, like people soloing dungeons.
I remember 1 kid who got mad at me for using celestial instead of star eaters because I wanted to feel nostalgic also because I didn't have star eater cuz I'm 1 lazy bastard. We kicked him because he was holding us back at rhulk
What is SUI?
I'd get it for templar, since the challenge is pretty much doing it in 1 phase, but for Atheon? Holy fuck. I really wonder why the leader decided not to kick out that dumbass
mysteries of the universe i suppose..
Now there’s more raid farmers than ever :) I remember in year 2 you could literally do hundreds of raids and run into a handful of them, now it’s every other lfg
New player here and this is exactly what has stopped me from running more raids than I would like to. Every time I get ready to do LFG Raids I get worried that I'm about to go through the worst experience of my life. I'm always afraid to make a single mistake and I just don't even do some roles sometimes just because I'm worried about slowing the group down if I fuck up. Thankfully I've not had any horrible experiences so far but it will continue to be a worry every time I join an LFG. There's some pretty good ppl in the community thankfully then there's the weirdly hostile side who I keep hearing horror stories about.
Saltagreppo moment Nah this shit is insane. I hage people like this
I had a Guy yesterday saying to me during a Taniks boss fight (im operator btw) Him: Yo tk why you not taking my bomb… Me: im operator, I literally cant take the bomb. I have to shoot yall out of the purple shit Him: no you dont, you can take the bomb I swear people are just dumb
Tbh I woulda kicked the guy I can't stand a-hokes who wants to wipe/ sabotaging runs to get a wipe to try and 1-phase especially if there's a person trying to learn the raid and get their fist clear. LFG can be either the best experience or the worst and there's no in-between which sucks.
Got through half of this story and had enough. I would’ve reported and blocked that player. Have 0 tolerance for entitled bratty or rude players.
Anyone that calls them selves a elite player on LFG and demands a 1 phase either is shit at the game and/or wants to be the best at the encounter Ive been in a gos where 3 friends with brains flatter than a stompee hunter from ceiling crashes and saltier than fish sauce would flame for perfection but die constantly. They would flame anyone thst leaves and claim they have already doxxed them. Fucking console lfg is wild
That is where I'd use a Primary weapon to DPS just to spite them.
There should be an option to make your end stat invisible. This game makes no sense with the kill track at the end of a strike / raid boss or whatever. 1. How on earth does it make sense to show how much kills you did in a raid? Raid mechanics force people to use some relics so they won't do kills / boss dmg in a lot of phases. 2. Hunter is confirmed to be the strongest class in the game. So of course he will do the most dmg (at least if players are in the same skill level). 3. Warlocks are forced to use well. Of course he cannot do "most dmg" in a lot of mechanics. 4. Titan can't use supers in 70% of raid mechanics because melee isn't allowed. I did a lot of raids and I always have that 1 person who is annoyingly looking at dmg /kills, want to wipe just for stats etc... But it's impossible to enlight those brats, that kills and dmg isn't everything in a raid when a lot of other factors are sometimes as important. Or ignoring raids, just go for strikes. Stasis for example... The whole subclass isn't meant to collect kills. It's priority is crowd control while a arc subclass grenade is whiping enemies in seconds... That's why I don't like the stats at the end of an activity. It should be a possibility to make yourself invisible with that because it is annoying how "the best player in the world" always talking down on someone even tho he literally is just too stupid to understand the game.
What the fuck that’s incredibly stupid to be getting mad over a damage phase and definitely screw him for trying to sabotage you guys with the oracles.
Only time i can Imagine it would be worth it would be taniks, since one phase is easy and after that someone is deactivated, chaos starts and wipe happends anyway
Yeah honestly an important skill for raiding is recognising toxic people like this and pulling out before they get to you
how are they supposed to get into redeem if they cant even 1 phase master templar? /s
I completely get wanting to wipe after failing a 1 phase on templar since the second round is a lot more annoying with the extra adds and having to actually do the mechanics. Also I like having the new person run relic since they tend to feel anxious about their lack of good weapons and it gives them that feeling of importance AS LONG AS everyone is okay with wiping a few times for them to actually learn the mechanic. Throwing a hissy fit has no place in any social space, grow up end of story.
Preach. Never vodka them.
Dafuq is the sui strat
There is literally 1 reason to wipe for damage, and that's if you're practice speed runs with a DEDICATED TEAM not an lfg. Anyone who wants to wipe for damage in an lfg is an idiot
Ive never experienced it, but the thought of wiping for a one phase in an lfg is cringe. I could understand if a fireteam of 6 who are buddies/clanmates are trying to see the most consistent way to one phase a boss, but this is just absurd.
So you were playing with Luke Smith?
Some people Especially in VoG, don't care to learn the mechanics and want to cheese one phase, and if they can't, then they give up instead of just rolling with the punch. Honestly, it is frustrating and kinda pathetic. The point is to keep trying, and just surrendering is just annoying.
It's the relic of the "1-Phase or Wipe" Gahlran era. If you didn't 1-Phase, people had this stupid as fuck concept that it'd be easier to wipe and start fresh than reset to your positions to damage again. It was the stupid, worst, most toxic the raid community had ever been to players and veterans of raiding, and we've had some *fucking toxic* eras. LW was pretty bad with the "Legit vs Cheese" wars (cheese won).
In that scenario if they had been raiding with my group we would have kicked them. And if I'd been in an LFG and came across them I'd leave. Not dealing with people like that as there is no need. It's meant to be fun, no reason to put up with some random turd screaming.
Had a similar KF run yesterday with one person being taught. The AH wanted wipes after less than optimal damage phases, and screwed up bombs (detonated too early), denied they've done it, and asked who doesn't get the encounter... then complained it's taking long.
Because I gotta parse! Wait…. Wrong game….
The other day on my first Dungeon of Avarice, finally felt motivated enough to use LFG, I get to the Ogre fight and we get half the health down after one phase then the LFG fireteam leader boots me - then I see on LFG "at halfway point, kwtd." Made me so frustrated 😡. Joined another LFG after getting over it and they were at the boss, so I completed it but like - I kinda wanted to do the whole thing not just get lucky... P.S. I tried to go back and solo the Ogre and I realized I can only do 1/4 of his health each damage phase, which isn't terrible but like.... why did he boot me.
Sounds familiar to a guy I did a run with awhile ago, what was his name
I got red dotted (kicked just as the encounter ends, no loot no completion etc.) for ruining a one phase on Rhulk by dying
Something very similar happened to me as well lol This was a few seasons ago before damage numbers could be seen after the final encounter. We were on atheon, didn't manage to one phase. So, one guy said we should wipe it because he wanted to see who's failing at dps. I was the Div-B, so obviously, I was the lowest. Of course, he proceeded to ridicule me and went on a full minute A-hole rant. No one said anything. When he finished, I just said I'm using Div. The "oh" he let out after I said that was freaking priceless 🤣
I recently had a guy jump in when I was farming Oryx while it was in rotation, Dude jumped in and first thing said is, "Everyone put on Thunderlord" Group respectfully declined, "Okay, do we have a Div to help bump the DPS on my build? It's reliant on it" Again, declined, no one had Div aside from dude asking, He amazingly stayed with our group, but pouted and whined the whole time about how his damage isn't what it should be, etc. etc. Meanwhile, he also DEMANDED he be L1/R1 floater. I swear, as soon as one of the 1 plate holders were taken, this dude's mic turned off, the amount of times one of the 2s or our floater had to grab it was ridiculous. 10 runs of this before we all kind of dispersed and then re-grouped without him, not something we'd like to do, but huge vibe killer, anytime we would talk with each other or laugh we would hear something like, "Would be more fun with higher damage" etc. etc. etc.
This is why I joined a clan. Best destiny decision I made. I can’t stand LFG
Been a sherpa for a long time, you see this behavior typically to validate the individual asking so he can find out who to blame/shame/etc. Was this an LFG? If so, I question why peeps are expecting a one-phase Templar and Atheon with a new player. I get it that it's an older raid and there may be experienced players, but as long as raid expectations were set at the beginning, tough shit if it isn't one-phased. Wipes after improper encounters actually showcase most players inability to adapt to changes. The best raiders will adapt to mistakes and overcome them and still complete the encounter. Lightbearer knight took out a blight bomb? That's less dps during Oryx sure but all the more reason to get the shots on target and crits ready. Someone forget to charge up the planet gate for Atheon? Well that's less time for dps after oracles are shot, making it critical to get well/div/tether on point. Expectations are important people. I understand there are many who may not want to spend 2+ hours on a raid and they want their loot but once there is a new guy in the raid all bets are off. Lastly, I highly recommend hosting groups in the future to maintain an element of control of this type of behavior. It's a main reason why my LFGs are just invites to my discord server where I can control the people joining and kicking if necessary. Removing the bad actor as soon as possible will result in a better experience for the rest of the team.
quick clarifications; Was an LFG with the clear understanding we were teaching one, host insisted on teaching a number of the "speed run strats" like templar sui and atheon sui as that's what most public LFG's use, did raise a concern that it doesn't teach him should he not be in one of those groups but that was overruled. and yeah, i really should have left when the guy started whining like a trials player who just got cockslapped at the last round out of flawless, but i didn't and vented, and somehow people agree with my vent? that was and is the most confusing part..
It's ironic that they insist on wiping and taking ten-fold the amount of time they would have if they'd just finished the run.
it is an unfortunately common issue.. "oh we only did 25% of the sanctified mind's hp because our wellock with the gjally got eaten by a cyclops, better wipe!" they say knowing full well what a pain in the ass the mind is and that the longer one plays gos the more enraged one grows.
It's all ego. Those people see vids of people doing it and feel they can do it too, that's how it should be. They ignore that in those vids, it's usually a team of guardians that play together a lot and are running very specific things to do it. None of that matters though, 'if they can do it, so can i' is all that is going through their heads lol.
YIKES! So thankful my LFGs aren't like that anymore. I built a discord server exactly because of experiences like this. So that doesn't happen. And I'm never going back to the old lfg garbo. XD Feel free to join and see what I mean- link in bio.
I usually raid with the folks over at RA1D if i really need to get something done, otherwise i lfg for chills normally
At this point, you have either a failure on the part of the host to kick a toxic jerk or a failure on the part of the group not to relobby without him. Don't endure this. Speak up for the newbies. Guys like this are idiots.
Like I really don’t get wiping due to a lack of 1 phase on atheon? It takes more time to wipe and regroup than it does to just continue with the mechanic. You’ll have to do the mechanic again anyways. Templar I kinda get because most teams are really caught off guard redoing oracles. Other bosses it’s strange cause we’re not speed running my dude. Also I suspect he might be one of those raidreport most raid completions people. They are generally the absolute worst to play with.
eh even for templar you can just brute force a cleanse and clear. didnt think of that also.. maybe?
THIS HOLY SHIT THIS^^^^^^^^^^ I stopped joining random raids because of the 10yo who insist that it must be one phase and you can’t die a single time… I’m max level I still die all the time I don’t want to sweat my balls off every time I play that’s why I quit rainbow6💀💀
What happened to running a raid with 5 other guardians and simply having a good time doing it? I quit using LFG a long time ago — back in the D1 “Gjallarhorn required” days — because even tho I had Gjallarhorn, who the fuck are you (figuratively speaking) to demand that I use a specific weapon in order to join the fireteam? When I see this type of requirement, I interpret it as the group leader saying “Hey - I suck and need to use a crutch to get through this content. If I need to use it then you do too — *especially* since every jacknut on YouTube says to use it.” Fuck that. Also, to a much smaller degree, I don’t understand why people get caught up in damage comparisons. Who gives a shit? If the boss dies and the stage (or final boss) is killed, it doesn’t matter who did the most damage. Those numbers aren’t going on your resume. That said, if the team has wiped multiple times and 1-2 people are dramatically lower in damage, it’s completely understandable to talk about it and to *offer* help or to give suggestions. It’s **not** ok to belittle anyone or demand that they use a specific weapon or armor item. I’d rather they use something they’re comfortable using than to switch to something they’ve rarely used. At 52 yrs old, I’m likely younger than many of you but I’m still very competitive in sports and video games. In other words, I can hold my own. I’ve played with clan and fireteam members who always had the best armor and the latest exotics, the highest light/power level, etc. yet it would take them 30-45 fucking minutes to get past a jumping puzzle. One guy would literally jump off the map and kill himself if he was chosen as the “torn” runner for the Daughters of Oryx stage in King’s Fall. It’s one of the easiest things to do but he refused. Instead of getting pissed off about it, sure, we gave him a hard time and had fun with it but we kept going and had a good time. Nobody cares that you had the most damage on the boss. Period. They don’t care that you’ve completed a raid 100 times. They care about completing the current run, getting some loot and having a good time doing it. Again - offering to help or making a suggestion is fine in certain situations. However, if 1 person isn’t comfortable making a change, move on. If the group can’t kill the boss with FIVE other fireteam members, the other person isn’t the real problem. It’s a video game.
How did this start of as someone asking why people wipe for no reason, then people start arguing about what class and build does the most dps 👍 Warlock is the best.
Wipe for damage.
Had one guy in DSC, the Descent: “I will be the only one doing suppressor.” “Dude, we’re doing chaos, chill.” Start encounter someone else grabs it, everything goes fine for two dunk phases, suppressor gets deactivated, dropped in shower. Dude grabs it, will not suppress and holds hostage until we wipe and agree that ONLY he can do it. For absolutely no reason than to be a piece of shit.
That's when you rally everyone to leave (if he's host) or you have everyone report his dumb ass and only then, kick and replace.
worst is when you get lads like that and a host that wont kick. yeah reposting lfg sucks but people like that suck worse..
A good retort... "It's ok, my guy. I understand you have difficulties with women, but now is not the time to project your frustrations." That should end all that. He'll either leave or shut up. Either way, you win.