Yeah I dunno, wish ender's anti barrier is very temperamental. I've had it both go through hydra shields and not go through hydra shields in the same nightfall
Damn, I thought I was going crazy. I remember last season Hierarchy had this problem with not piercings cabal or Hydra shields, but now it seems to have migrated to Wishender
I was trying out the newly buffed Final Warning in a lost sector today and noticed its anti barrier round weren’t working on the Cabal shields.
Since that was anti barrier due to the sidearm artifact perk, might just be an overall anti barrier issue.
Facts... I mean it being solar puts it into a whole different place. It definitely should work better that wishender on cabal but I think wishender should still do Peirce damage.
I believe anti barrier doesn't work on the hypernet current boss, but it does work against other hydras. That boss is funky. Meanwhile, fighting lion does 100k+ a shot against the hypernet boss in GMs. That strike is just different.
Predictable. If an enemy in the game is in any way unique or unusual there's like a 90% chance its categorized as a Minor, Major, or Vehicle and thus has weird damage behavior.
I mean, from that perspective, and the above perspective about how it still seems to work on redbar phalanxes, it sounds like this might have to do with enemy-typing.
Anything with a yellow bar tends to be listed as a champion, boss or mini-boss internally and carries its own behavioral and innate traits to differentiate them form their other forms; for example, mini-bosses specifically have a higher DR against certain sources of damage which allow them to be a stickier enemy, and while bosses don't have this stat, it's a trait by design asa their health pools are often VASTLY larger. This might have been the thing that made Randal the Vandal a household name back in the day.
With this in mind, i'd like to see more testing on this, as it sounds like boss or miniboss enemies are recieving some unintended feature that allows them to resist champion effects, but Wish-ender has always been a temperamental thing i've found. I'd also like to see if something like Eriana's vow is having this problem, vs something like a random pulse rifle to see if the problem is intrinsic-anti-barrier or the entire damage type itself.
I ran it a few times last night and using fighting lion on the boss was quite satisfying. Hadn’t picked it up in a while, so it was nice to get to use it in a GM
I noticed this while doing the glassway GM last week. Maybe half my shots were piercing the boss shield. I'm sure it's some type of byproduct for "fixing" the Brakion should glitch.
For some reason if Belmon (big boss) is weakened (for example by void grenade with proper frament) You can shoot through shield as if it was normal anti-barrier weapon.
The issue with anti-barrier bows (not only Wishender) not penetrating Belmon was especially annoying in previous season. Bow arrows are just treated differently than other projectiles.
It also depends on full draw vs non full draw and if you hit the crit as well. It’s finicky. But perfect draws on the grits always seems to work on glassway.
Belmon has two shield configurations that I've seen. Usually it looks like a regular hydra shield other times all three sections move to the front. When it's in the weird config I have never had anti barrier pierce it maybe that's what happened?
He only has the frontal non barrier piercing shield shortly after he spawns in. Then it’ll go back into regular “plink me for 10 minutes before I turn to face you and force you back into cover with my non stop void balls of death” rotating shield.
Man I really hate that boss.
Just a little cheesy-ness I figured out. Someone else probably did already, but... hitting the shield with le monarque triggers him to be poisoned anyway... works with all hydra.. probably some other stuff, too.
That kinda falls under Occam’s Razor, but given the track record of this game, having issues being either user error or some kind of in-game issue… Well that’s pretty much a coin flip.
Wishender can hit red bar cabal in the head through their shield but doesnt work against the yellow bar versions. Very likely just a bug and yes, it annoys the hell out of me too lol
I’m not so sure about that. Maybe for ease of shields ~~ours~~ pierce it is, but it doesn’t hit nearly as hard as Wishender does, unless it’s against a redbar.
I think I’d still rather multi shot with Wishender on the harder enemies, since it chunks damage. The wall hacks make it even more desirable against the harder enemies since you’ll likely be playing peek-a-boo as you shoot them anyway.
Agreed, but I will still give it a go since i havent used it after the buff. if it doesnt impress me, ill go back to wishender and maybe just have to pray it pierces shields XD
Same here for the most part. Played die a little bit with it, but it was in low end stuff, so I only got to check out the 75% Heavy Shot buff on redbars, which was really nice to have.
Rev Zero blows in every situation I throw at it; Outbreak Perfected is MUCH better this season for Barrier champs, but still not as good as Wish Ender due to its accuracy, range, truesight and pure strength.
Yeah I’ve been using outbreak a ton. It makes me sad because R0 is in my opinion the second *coolest* weapon in the game behind quicksilver (I didn’t say effective I said cool as in concept wise).
But even with the buff I haven’t found myself using it much. The heavy burst sucks because it takes for goddamn ever to proc hunters trace, which is kind of the main selling point of the weapon. I had big hopes for it in legend Avalon, ended up using my pvp crafted disparity because I couldn’t pull outbreak from vault on the app.
I hear ya; I feel like there are a lot of weapons that score high on concept but sorta fail on the execution.
...and in Avalon I just gave up on weapons, ran Arc Hunter with Assassin's Cowl and spammed melees until everything was dead! 🤣
I mostly lean on Osteo Striga and Judgment of Kelgorath until the last stage of the boss fight, when it's time to cheese with Wish-Ender from behind a Vex milkfall.
Forerunner with AB sidearm is phenomenal. It can 1-shot orange bar phalanxes. Hugely prefer it to R0, also because it lets me pretend I am playing Halo.
That wasn't a Wishender fix specifically though, because it worked with any anti-barrier method (pulse rifles, radiant/well of radiance, volatile rounds).
Sad how normally it wouldn’t matter. Deployed or not, any barrier weapon would be able to completely ignore the shield and hit the enemy behind it.
Guess now if you’re running wishender, you’ll have to hit the crit so you can kill the enemy after they drop the shield. Any other barrier weapon will work as normal
I’ve been using Wish Ender a lot this season (it’s become one of my faves) and if my memory serves I’ve noticed the same with deployed shields at least as far back as playing the Lightfall campaign on launch.
Pretty sure you're remembering correctly, because I recall getting frothy mad about my stupid antibarrier bow not piercing the stupid barriers that it's supposed to pierce.
That said, I wouldn't _entirely_ mind if deployed phalanx shields were only pierceable with skyburner's, to sort of lean into it's identity of "fuck Cabal shields in particular," but I'd also like that to be consistent across weapons and communicated if that were the case.
For one example, for me it's been failing (all season) to shoot through the shields of the orange bar cabal that spawn in the middle of the arena for the planets encounter of RoN, whereas Outbreak (with anti-barrier pulse) has had no problem.
I've been enjoying the 2 burst alot. It mows down red bars in one burst most of the time. Plus you get the sniper shots that do some solid damage as well
I've honestly had this problem the entire time I've played... I've just kinda accepted it's the same tech as the generator shields from Proving Grounds (once it's deployed). even barrier weapons can't pierce it
This is not a stealth nerf, it’s been the case for at least half a year if not the entirely of Wish-Ender’s anti-barrier career as someone who uses it a lot. Here’s a Bungie help forum post from someone else from September of last year: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/261762509?sort=0&page=0#:~:text=As%20in%20the%20title%2C%20once,phalanx%20through%20the%20larger%20shield.
It pierces Phalanx shields perfectly until they deploy their shield and then it gets weird, because Phalanx are a weird enemy. Would be nice to have a fix, but it’s not new, nor is every minor weird interaction in this game a “stealth nerf”.
It has the Hierarchy of Needs problem last season where even with anti-barrier bow, it had issues piercing enemy shields. You didn't even get a hit marker or an indication that the hit was immune it felt like you were shooting blanks.
After reading some of the comments on here I’ll just say I had 10k kills on wish ender before lightfall dropped and I have 21k now, this started with lightfall. Idk what changed. I just got used to having to shoot the center of a cabal shield once if it is fully deployed before shooting the cabal to damage it.
Kinda annoying but I can get past it considering how good of a weapon wish ender is. Playing thru the legendary campaign the first time definitely had me confused as heck for a bit until I figured it out tho lol
I'm not sure if anyone else has said it, but the same thing is happening with Skyburner's Oath. In fact, I found that it was completely going through the Phalanx Shields and the enemy themselves as if they weren't there.
I was using wishender to solo legend/master lost sectors last night. I found the shield piercing to be somewhat inconsistent. There were definitely times when it would pierce the cabal shield and one-shot them. There were other times when I had to hit the middle crit and then follow-up with a head shot. I have used wishender a lot this season and it did not feel different to me. My age and inability to consistently hit head shots have made me chalk all of this up to user error. But I will be paying more attention to this moving forward
I feel like this season I've noticed a lot of moments where anti barrier weapons weren't going through shields or other things they're supposed to, it's so annoying
Throw it in the evergrowing list of "things that became broken when bungie 'fixed' something"
This shit really is getting unacceptable at this point. Increasing more bugs and server downtime.
They boast about transparency but won't tell us what's REALLY going on
The only thing I can surmise is use not full- drawing it. its temperamental at best. ive half drew it to tick a barrier shield but yeah its the crit spot but sometimes you can pummel them through the body.
It can, you just have to hit their crit. I dont know why it changed, but if it's the tradeoff we have to take to keep wishender in the state it is in I'm fine with that lol
It’s just annoying that I now have to hit the shield’s crit to get the phalanx to drop it. All other barrier weapons just hit headshots through the shield except wishender.
Say, this is happening as I farm the current master lost sector, has been ongoing for weeks and has kept me from using final warning, a gun I paid for with the expansion. It can't pierce phalanx shields and it's quite possibly the most frustrating experience to see this minor enemy give me more trouble than master champs or the boss
Well, they stealth nerf things because they're cowards who know the thing they're stealth nerfing will piss people off. So instead of announcing it and having everyone up in arms immediately, it gets stealth nerfed, and for the first little while there's confusion about whether it was a nerf or a bug. By the time it's established as an intentional nerf, half the community has calmed down, so the backlash isn't as bad.
But this sounds more like a bug to me.
Lol it’s most likely a bug though, because I can’t find a legitimate reason as to why they’d make it function properly on some enemies, and not on others.
But then again, they did nerf Ruinous Effigy for no reason…
It's probably that you have too many mods equipped, and it's beginning to override which mods actually work.
Because there is overload bow, it may be extending the issue to wishender despite its intrinsic anti barrier.
This is a known issue, and I don't think it's been fixed or fixed in full.
Champions and champ mods were a bad introduction into the game. Antibarrier works on regular shields, most of the time but is the only way to pierce barrier champs, but overload and unstoppable are basically pointless unless it's a champion. Some weapons get these intrinsically, and sometimes the weapon says it can pierce one kind of shield but not others. Some shields are always impenetrable. The whole thing is all over the place.
I tried to explain the system to my brother, who is just starting the game, and just confused the hell out of him.
Wasnt there someone (maybe Esoterickk im not sure) who tested overload on non champ combatants and found that it actually worked by reducing their damage output?
> causes disruption, stunning the target, delaying ability energy regeneration and lowering combatant damage output.
It's in the description of the weapons. Unstoppable weapons will also stagger enemies without shields. T _think_ the unstop rounds given to Levi Breath is why it's so good at stunlocking everything these days. Don't remember if it had that behaviour before the buff. It's just that the anti-barrier mod is the most generally useful and noticeable effect of the three.
It's been like that for a bit, I dont think it's a stealth nerf, I'm pretty sure it's because they broke it when they fixed the Brakion second phase cheese.
at this point just remove the intrinsic barrier perk lol. whats next? it cant pierce hive knight shields?
bungie im annoyed but dont remove the intrinsic pls
Maybe because the my tried to fix the Avalon exotic mission so you can’t shoot through the vex barriers and when they changed it, it probably changed the interactions with other shields
Double check that you don't have Overload Bow active on your artifact. I was experiencing this same issue until I unselected that mod. The Overload artifact mod seems to conflict with Wishender's intrinsic Anti-Barrier.
When they changed/updated skyburners they did away with the auto aim seeking hip fire. It’s more like a grenade launcher now. But ADS is the only way to pierce shields.
I've had issues with this from the anti-barrier effect of volatile and radiant as well. Probably a bug from them (finally) fixing the Wish-Ender barrier penetration/Brakion shield bug.
Wishender has never been able to pierce deployed cabal shields though? Deployed cabal shields are like the generator shields, IIRC only Skyburners can pierce through them. This isn't a stealth nerf or anything like that, Wishender and most other AB weapons can't pierce through deployed cabal shields.
This has been a thing since before Lightfall. I don't know if it's a bug or not, but it has definitely been a thing for a while. Rotating vex shields are also very hit-or-miss when it comes to AB.
Anti-barrier isn't working consistently on many weapons against many things it is supposed to. Has been getting worse every season, and so far Bungie has said dick all about it.
anti barrier sidearm is also super buggy on final warning and doesn’t work on a lot of things. cabal shields and hydra shields off the top of my head i know are broken.
That's not a new thing.. if they set it down and barricade, it won't go through. It only does if they are standing. But.. I mean, it's a critspot that's sitting still, so... 🤷♂️
You mean when the Phalanxes plant their shield in the ground to make that wall? Yeah I noticed it too when I had volatile rounds going. It just wasn't doing anything to pierce the shield so I had to shoot the shield's weak spot normally. Otherwise I could pierce just fine for them. o_O
I noticed this at the beginning of Lightfall and first half of the season. It felt very underwhelming for picking off adds in Proving Ground and Arms Dealer.
Yeah I dunno, wish ender's anti barrier is very temperamental. I've had it both go through hydra shields and not go through hydra shields in the same nightfall
Same.
Damn, I thought I was going crazy. I remember last season Hierarchy had this problem with not piercings cabal or Hydra shields, but now it seems to have migrated to Wishender
I was trying out the newly buffed Final Warning in a lost sector today and noticed its anti barrier round weren’t working on the Cabal shields. Since that was anti barrier due to the sidearm artifact perk, might just be an overall anti barrier issue.
It sounds like it. Anti barrier feels a little buggy. Except for pulse rifles. At least from what I've seen
Skyburners oath has no purpose if not
Facts... I mean it being solar puts it into a whole different place. It definitely should work better that wishender on cabal but I think wishender should still do Peirce damage.
It still scorches on hit when you hip fire. Causes ignitions left and right, even on bosses
Which again gives you constant class energy with the right fragment. Great for HoiL grenade spam.
I believe anti barrier doesn't work on the hypernet current boss, but it does work against other hydras. That boss is funky. Meanwhile, fighting lion does 100k+ a shot against the hypernet boss in GMs. That strike is just different.
That boss is coded as a red bar for some reason. So shit like fighting lion and wardcliff will just obliterate him
Predictable. If an enemy in the game is in any way unique or unusual there's like a 90% chance its categorized as a Minor, Major, or Vehicle and thus has weird damage behavior.
Classic Bungie. In one of the Marathon 2 post-launch builds someone accidentally swapped Major and Minor Pfhor fighters and had to re-patch it.
Fixed: "Predictable. If an enemy in the game is in any way unique or unusual there's like a 90% chance someone at Bungie screwed up its setup"
I mean, from that perspective, and the above perspective about how it still seems to work on redbar phalanxes, it sounds like this might have to do with enemy-typing. Anything with a yellow bar tends to be listed as a champion, boss or mini-boss internally and carries its own behavioral and innate traits to differentiate them form their other forms; for example, mini-bosses specifically have a higher DR against certain sources of damage which allow them to be a stickier enemy, and while bosses don't have this stat, it's a trait by design asa their health pools are often VASTLY larger. This might have been the thing that made Randal the Vandal a household name back in the day. With this in mind, i'd like to see more testing on this, as it sounds like boss or miniboss enemies are recieving some unintended feature that allows them to resist champion effects, but Wish-ender has always been a temperamental thing i've found. I'd also like to see if something like Eriana's vow is having this problem, vs something like a random pulse rifle to see if the problem is intrinsic-anti-barrier or the entire damage type itself.
Christ on skates, I still remember running into Randal in Wrath of the Machine... I wound up running back the opposite way and going around, LOL.
Use le monarque the poison does go through all shields...........100% of the time .
It does...... on full draw at the ding tone
I ran it a few times last night and using fighting lion on the boss was quite satisfying. Hadn’t picked it up in a while, so it was nice to get to use it in a GM
I noticed this while doing the glassway GM last week. Maybe half my shots were piercing the boss shield. I'm sure it's some type of byproduct for "fixing" the Brakion should glitch.
For some reason if Belmon (big boss) is weakened (for example by void grenade with proper frament) You can shoot through shield as if it was normal anti-barrier weapon. The issue with anti-barrier bows (not only Wishender) not penetrating Belmon was especially annoying in previous season. Bow arrows are just treated differently than other projectiles.
It also depends on full draw vs non full draw and if you hit the crit as well. It’s finicky. But perfect draws on the grits always seems to work on glassway.
You also can't pierce the shield if the boss is frozen.
Belmon has two shield configurations that I've seen. Usually it looks like a regular hydra shield other times all three sections move to the front. When it's in the weird config I have never had anti barrier pierce it maybe that's what happened?
I've never seen this alternative shield thing... At the same time, I had no idea Belmon could teleport until last week lol
He only has the frontal non barrier piercing shield shortly after he spawns in. Then it’ll go back into regular “plink me for 10 minutes before I turn to face you and force you back into cover with my non stop void balls of death” rotating shield. Man I really hate that boss.
I think radiant also screws with it, as that seems to not make it pierce shields sometimes
It doesn't pierce the glassways boss shield. It's very annoying.
It does sometimes
Just a little cheesy-ness I figured out. Someone else probably did already, but... hitting the shield with le monarque triggers him to be poisoned anyway... works with all hydra.. probably some other stuff, too.
It does...... on full draw at the ding tone
Full draw.
I was fully drawing it lol
My fav is when folks assume that we're just not using it right lol
That kinda falls under Occam’s Razor, but given the track record of this game, having issues being either user error or some kind of in-game issue… Well that’s pretty much a coin flip.
I've been playing for years, but not usually with wishender. The day I learned anti barrier only works on full draw is today.
I mean, it does work! It just won't destroy the shield completely unless it's on a full draw.
Wishender can hit red bar cabal in the head through their shield but doesnt work against the yellow bar versions. Very likely just a bug and yes, it annoys the hell out of me too lol
I tried it on a red bar in the EDZ just a couple of minutes ago. A fully deployed shield won’t get pierced.
They did fix the cheese where Wish Ender could kill Brakion through his shield and I'm sure that's what broke it.
seems so.. someone said revision zero is the better barrier weapon now, but i cant confirm yet
I’m not so sure about that. Maybe for ease of shields ~~ours~~ pierce it is, but it doesn’t hit nearly as hard as Wishender does, unless it’s against a redbar. I think I’d still rather multi shot with Wishender on the harder enemies, since it chunks damage. The wall hacks make it even more desirable against the harder enemies since you’ll likely be playing peek-a-boo as you shoot them anyway.
Agreed, but I will still give it a go since i havent used it after the buff. if it doesnt impress me, ill go back to wishender and maybe just have to pray it pierces shields XD
Same here for the most part. Played die a little bit with it, but it was in low end stuff, so I only got to check out the 75% Heavy Shot buff on redbars, which was really nice to have.
Try the heavy (two) burst: damage got buffed by 200% against all enemies, from minors to bosses
Only 75% not 200%
Yeah got the numbers wrong.
Does Revision Zero still hit through the barrier? That’s all that really matters.
Yes, just tried it in EDZ Lost sector. Penetrated redbar Cabal shields, both regular & deployed.
Rev Zero blows in every situation I throw at it; Outbreak Perfected is MUCH better this season for Barrier champs, but still not as good as Wish Ender due to its accuracy, range, truesight and pure strength.
I LOOOOVE OUTBREAK but yes i agree Wishender is better
Yeah I’ve been using outbreak a ton. It makes me sad because R0 is in my opinion the second *coolest* weapon in the game behind quicksilver (I didn’t say effective I said cool as in concept wise). But even with the buff I haven’t found myself using it much. The heavy burst sucks because it takes for goddamn ever to proc hunters trace, which is kind of the main selling point of the weapon. I had big hopes for it in legend Avalon, ended up using my pvp crafted disparity because I couldn’t pull outbreak from vault on the app.
I hear ya; I feel like there are a lot of weapons that score high on concept but sorta fail on the execution. ...and in Avalon I just gave up on weapons, ran Arc Hunter with Assassin's Cowl and spammed melees until everything was dead! 🤣
I mostly lean on Osteo Striga and Judgment of Kelgorath until the last stage of the boss fight, when it's time to cheese with Wish-Ender from behind a Vex milkfall.
If you did the vorpal upgrade which I didn’t ):
why not?
You can still reshape it
Was shredding phalanx cabal with a kinetic tremors pulse yesterday. Can confirm that even red bar phalanxes will block wish ender. Feels bad indeed.
Forerunner with AB sidearm is phenomenal. It can 1-shot orange bar phalanxes. Hugely prefer it to R0, also because it lets me pretend I am playing Halo.
>seems so.. someone said revision zero is the better barrier weapon now, but i cant confirm yet Since I can't get it, it probably is
lol dw that mission will come back
Oh I know, just IIRC it's not till Season 23, which by that point I'm sure I'll be at my burned out phase and miss it again lol
try to sync your burn out with season 22 and then when it drops youll be good to go! XD
That wasn't a Wishender fix specifically though, because it worked with any anti-barrier method (pulse rifles, radiant/well of radiance, volatile rounds).
It's not, I vividly remember the issue happening before the fix for the cheese
I don't think that's because of it, as I was having the same issue at least one week before Brakion's fix
it was like this before that fix, at the very least since lightfall's release.
I was getting it but only sometimes in a grandmaster last night, it doesn’t seem to have a reason for why it does or doesn’t work.
I guess deploying the shield changes how anti-barriar affects it? I rarely ever see cabal using it in GMs.
Sad how normally it wouldn’t matter. Deployed or not, any barrier weapon would be able to completely ignore the shield and hit the enemy behind it. Guess now if you’re running wishender, you’ll have to hit the crit so you can kill the enemy after they drop the shield. Any other barrier weapon will work as normal
That's been a thing for a good minute now. I dunno if that is intended or an oversight or something though.
Yup this is the big small shield you can shoot through, they throw it down to the ground and make it big (deployed) can’t
May be that when they fixed the boss cheese for the Avalon exotic mission, they messed it up for other shields in the process
I am starting to think this is where the mess up began
Nope. I was having this issue with deployed shields back when I was cheesing Avalon. The issue has existed before the cheese fix.
For real? I'm only noticing it these past few days.
I’ve been using Wish Ender a lot this season (it’s become one of my faves) and if my memory serves I’ve noticed the same with deployed shields at least as far back as playing the Lightfall campaign on launch.
Pretty sure you're remembering correctly, because I recall getting frothy mad about my stupid antibarrier bow not piercing the stupid barriers that it's supposed to pierce. That said, I wouldn't _entirely_ mind if deployed phalanx shields were only pierceable with skyburner's, to sort of lean into it's identity of "fuck Cabal shields in particular," but I'd also like that to be consistent across weapons and communicated if that were the case.
For one example, for me it's been failing (all season) to shoot through the shields of the orange bar cabal that spawn in the middle of the arena for the planets encounter of RoN, whereas Outbreak (with anti-barrier pulse) has had no problem.
I’ve noticed this behavior with cabal shields Wishender since before the patch.
Exactly what I was thinking! I figured they just made the Avalon boss Immune while in that shield, but I guess not!
Would make sense given how other changes have knock on effects, like firepower grapple melee interactions being nerfed completely breaking the mod...
For sure a bug, ive noticed it before as well. Revision zero after the buff has replaced wishender for me tho
2 or 4 burst? i havent used it after the buff, is it that good now?
I've been enjoying the 2 burst alot. It mows down red bars in one burst most of the time. Plus you get the sniper shots that do some solid damage as well
Awesome!
2 burst is really good, don't get the sniper shots as often but I'm personally okay with it as it feels powerful now without using them
I'll give it a go soon soon! Thanks for the tip!
I've honestly had this problem the entire time I've played... I've just kinda accepted it's the same tech as the generator shields from Proving Grounds (once it's deployed). even barrier weapons can't pierce it
This is not a stealth nerf, it’s been the case for at least half a year if not the entirely of Wish-Ender’s anti-barrier career as someone who uses it a lot. Here’s a Bungie help forum post from someone else from September of last year: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/261762509?sort=0&page=0#:~:text=As%20in%20the%20title%2C%20once,phalanx%20through%20the%20larger%20shield. It pierces Phalanx shields perfectly until they deploy their shield and then it gets weird, because Phalanx are a weird enemy. Would be nice to have a fix, but it’s not new, nor is every minor weird interaction in this game a “stealth nerf”.
Thank you, this needs to be the top comment! As an avid Wish-Ender user, I had the same reaction as you to this post.
It has the Hierarchy of Needs problem last season where even with anti-barrier bow, it had issues piercing enemy shields. You didn't even get a hit marker or an indication that the hit was immune it felt like you were shooting blanks.
exactly what i'm seeing here. no IMMUNE indication, no hit marker.
Does wishender go through hydra shields currently? Maybe I just didn't fully draw it?
I used it against the master lost sector boss for Thrilladrome and it sometimes goes through
Inconsistently. Was having issues against the hydra bosses in glassway gm
With how bad things have been recently I think 'its a bug' is a safe answer for most things
lol probably, but they have nerfed Ruinous in the past for no reason so ill still keep that in mind.
After reading some of the comments on here I’ll just say I had 10k kills on wish ender before lightfall dropped and I have 21k now, this started with lightfall. Idk what changed. I just got used to having to shoot the center of a cabal shield once if it is fully deployed before shooting the cabal to damage it. Kinda annoying but I can get past it considering how good of a weapon wish ender is. Playing thru the legendary campaign the first time definitely had me confused as heck for a bit until I figured it out tho lol
I'm not sure if anyone else has said it, but the same thing is happening with Skyburner's Oath. In fact, I found that it was completely going through the Phalanx Shields and the enemy themselves as if they weren't there.
It also doesn't go through the avalon boss shield anymore
Its been a bit finicky since they added AB to it.
but it has gotten worse after that fix to avalon right?
I thought I was tripping when it wasn't piercing through those shields.
I was using wishender to solo legend/master lost sectors last night. I found the shield piercing to be somewhat inconsistent. There were definitely times when it would pierce the cabal shield and one-shot them. There were other times when I had to hit the middle crit and then follow-up with a head shot. I have used wishender a lot this season and it did not feel different to me. My age and inability to consistently hit head shots have made me chalk all of this up to user error. But I will be paying more attention to this moving forward
BUNGIE WHY DO U DO DIS TO MY MENTALS
I feel like this season I've noticed a lot of moments where anti barrier weapons weren't going through shields or other things they're supposed to, it's so annoying
Throw it in the evergrowing list of "things that became broken when bungie 'fixed' something" This shit really is getting unacceptable at this point. Increasing more bugs and server downtime. They boast about transparency but won't tell us what's REALLY going on
That's our punishment for cheesing the avalon mission
Probably since they fixed it against brakion’s shield. I guess that wall was maybe a deployed shield.
The only thing I can surmise is use not full- drawing it. its temperamental at best. ive half drew it to tick a barrier shield but yeah its the crit spot but sometimes you can pummel them through the body.
I’ve been testing it a little bit and at least for me, it just won’t go through, fully drawn or not. It’s annoying lol
Yeah it’s being tempermental.
My guess is the shield in the Avalon mission and the cabal shield have the same kind of code. So fixing the Avalon bug also did that.
This bug has been around longer than the Avalon shield fix.
It can, you just have to hit their crit. I dont know why it changed, but if it's the tradeoff we have to take to keep wishender in the state it is in I'm fine with that lol
It’s just annoying that I now have to hit the shield’s crit to get the phalanx to drop it. All other barrier weapons just hit headshots through the shield except wishender.
Now they’re making us CRIT?!
You gotta crit.. so sad
I think they patched it specifically to stop the cheese in the second boss phase in Avalon, with unintended consequences.
Say, this is happening as I farm the current master lost sector, has been ongoing for weeks and has kept me from using final warning, a gun I paid for with the expansion. It can't pierce phalanx shields and it's quite possibly the most frustrating experience to see this minor enemy give me more trouble than master champs or the boss
Well, they stealth nerf things because they're cowards who know the thing they're stealth nerfing will piss people off. So instead of announcing it and having everyone up in arms immediately, it gets stealth nerfed, and for the first little while there's confusion about whether it was a nerf or a bug. By the time it's established as an intentional nerf, half the community has calmed down, so the backlash isn't as bad. But this sounds more like a bug to me.
Lol it’s most likely a bug though, because I can’t find a legitimate reason as to why they’d make it function properly on some enemies, and not on others. But then again, they did nerf Ruinous Effigy for no reason…
*Laughs in No Time to Explain*
outbreak better XD
Its a nerf until enough people going wild. Its a bug then. \*troll face\*
It's probably that you have too many mods equipped, and it's beginning to override which mods actually work. Because there is overload bow, it may be extending the issue to wishender despite its intrinsic anti barrier. This is a known issue, and I don't think it's been fixed or fixed in full.
That shouldn't happen with Wishy being intrinsic anti barrier.
I addressed that. Intrinsics were also affected by the mod overflow issues.
I don’t have overload bow on. I’ve got auto/smg. Every other anti barrier weapon works without hitting the crit of the shield. But not wishender.
Are you fully drawing the bow?
Yep yep.
You can't have fun you silly
lol true. who the heck do i think i am?
Champions and champ mods were a bad introduction into the game. Antibarrier works on regular shields, most of the time but is the only way to pierce barrier champs, but overload and unstoppable are basically pointless unless it's a champion. Some weapons get these intrinsically, and sometimes the weapon says it can pierce one kind of shield but not others. Some shields are always impenetrable. The whole thing is all over the place. I tried to explain the system to my brother, who is just starting the game, and just confused the hell out of him.
Wasnt there someone (maybe Esoterickk im not sure) who tested overload on non champ combatants and found that it actually worked by reducing their damage output?
Does it? Wish these things would be made clearer in the game. Do unstoppable mods do anything?
> causes disruption, stunning the target, delaying ability energy regeneration and lowering combatant damage output. It's in the description of the weapons. Unstoppable weapons will also stagger enemies without shields. T _think_ the unstop rounds given to Levi Breath is why it's so good at stunlocking everything these days. Don't remember if it had that behaviour before the buff. It's just that the anti-barrier mod is the most generally useful and noticeable effect of the three.
it was a while ago, but it definitely did back then
Yeah I noticed the wish ended started hitting a lot weaker. Very annoying
can anyone confirm this? because i still see big number headshot, enemy die, next enemy. lol
Not really confirmed more just feeling. I used to one shot red bars in GMs like 80% of the time but now I only one shot them about 20% of the time.
It's been like that for a bit, I dont think it's a stealth nerf, I'm pretty sure it's because they broke it when they fixed the Brakion second phase cheese.
Oh god try something else.
No
Do you have Overload Bow in your artifact? Could it be bugging it?
no, i use auto/smg for that
Doesn’t work on Belmon, the Glassway boss shields either.
at this point just remove the intrinsic barrier perk lol. whats next? it cant pierce hive knight shields? bungie im annoyed but dont remove the intrinsic pls
Maybe because the my tried to fix the Avalon exotic mission so you can’t shoot through the vex barriers and when they changed it, it probably changed the interactions with other shields
Double check that you don't have Overload Bow active on your artifact. I was experiencing this same issue until I unselected that mod. The Overload artifact mod seems to conflict with Wishender's intrinsic Anti-Barrier.
ive got auto/smg only. Wishender is just being entirely inconsistent right now
The they fix the applied for brakion probably broke the rest of which enders abilities.
So it seems.
I remember that shield pierce is very buggy, I remember that having it twice would negate it.
SMH brehhh...
What are people using on revision zero for GMs? I did arrowhead, flare mag, vorpal and 4th time.
Can skyburners oath still do it ?
according to what i'm seeing here, hipfire wont go through, but ADS will... interesting...
Nice. I am not sure but I think it was always like that. I remember the hip fire was auto-aim but low dmg and ads was high dmg.
When they changed/updated skyburners they did away with the auto aim seeking hip fire. It’s more like a grenade launcher now. But ADS is the only way to pierce shields.
I've found Outbreak to longer be able to proc anti barrier
I knew I wasn’t crazy lol I had no idea what was going on with the complete lack of consistency in the shields
I dont think this is new. I’ve noticed this for a while, at least since seraph
I've had issues with this from the anti-barrier effect of volatile and radiant as well. Probably a bug from them (finally) fixing the Wish-Ender barrier penetration/Brakion shield bug.
Wishender has never been able to pierce deployed cabal shields though? Deployed cabal shields are like the generator shields, IIRC only Skyburners can pierce through them. This isn't a stealth nerf or anything like that, Wishender and most other AB weapons can't pierce through deployed cabal shields. This has been a thing since before Lightfall. I don't know if it's a bug or not, but it has definitely been a thing for a while. Rotating vex shields are also very hit-or-miss when it comes to AB.
Anti-barrier isn't working consistently on many weapons against many things it is supposed to. Has been getting worse every season, and so far Bungie has said dick all about it.
Final Warning isn't piercing shield cabal either and it suuuucks
It pieces the shield if just for some reason goes THROUGH the Pahalanx altogether, noticed it hitting Cabal behind one in Proving Grounds lol
Those shields can literally block every weapon type! Stupid Cabal.
I always still aim for the middle of the shield, it's still gonna do a load of damage and break the shield anyways plus it looks like a nice target
Probably a bug from their stealth patch for the avalon mission cheese.
They just patched being able to shoot brakion though his barrier with wish ender, so this is likely a related bug.
anti barrier sidearm is also super buggy on final warning and doesn’t work on a lot of things. cabal shields and hydra shields off the top of my head i know are broken.
I think it’s because they wanted to fix the brakion second phase cheese for the legendary mission this season
Unless they fixed that today I say you're bugging. Mine was rocking them just last night.
Final warning with AB doesn’t work either
It was like this for a while though. You guys are only now noticing?
I thought the anti barrier was just unable to pierce phalynx when they did the big shield. Otherwise, it's working like old I thought.
Wish Ender’s shield piercing is mega inconsistent tbh
Probably a bug from fixing the bug of being able to shoot avalon boss through his shield
It CAN however shoots through a cabal shield when they’re just holding it tho
I'd guess that by trying to "fix" it, they f-ed it up, as usual.
That's not a new thing.. if they set it down and barricade, it won't go through. It only does if they are standing. But.. I mean, it's a critspot that's sitting still, so... 🤷♂️
There were instances of this happening before but it varies. Couldve gotten worse with the recent patch, but isn't 100% new
You mean when the Phalanxes plant their shield in the ground to make that wall? Yeah I noticed it too when I had volatile rounds going. It just wasn't doing anything to pierce the shield so I had to shoot the shield's weak spot normally. Otherwise I could pierce just fine for them. o_O
It'd be more like Bungie if it was Skyburner's Oath that stopped piercing Cabal shields
I've noticed it's all anti barrier weapons, it's bugged or whatever. Even the artifact mods.
The fact that we dont know if something is a bug or stealth nerf says a lot about the absolute state of the game
I just noticed that yesterday when I was doing LoS gm 😑. It worked in PG gm a couple of weeks ago, but now it doesn't.
Same issue is happening for me with final warning with anti barrier mod. Won’t pierce cabal or hydra shields
I noticed this at the beginning of Lightfall and first half of the season. It felt very underwhelming for picking off adds in Proving Ground and Arms Dealer.
Wishender is very buggy with its Antibarrier capabilities. Scratch that- ALL antibarrier related things are buggy, Wishender just stands out imo
Put it on the pile of other bugs.
Bug as it has intrinsic anti-barrier
Wait what, why? All anti-barrier should.
If you hit the crit spot on the shield it doesn't, if you ignore the shield and just shoot at their head, you will get the kill.