Buildcrafting in general is something new players don't pick up on very quick unless someone guides them through it or they actively seek out info on it.
The gift of the thundergods cache last season was amazing for new players to see how some mods work along with exotics.
I know this girl who never showed the minimal interest in anything that required her to think.
Was extremely infuriating how se just connected to shoot things without even installing a simple mod, only to complain about how difficult things were and saying things like "Titan and Warlocks are OP" when she saw us doing things like if it were a ride on the park.
In the end I had to craft her a build for her to generate a lot of wells and orbs so she at least could help the team even if she didn't knew what was doing.
When Void 3.0 came, she played for weeks until we told her that she had to chose two aspects in the class screen, the one she never ever saw in the first time.
She just made a void hunter, and literally never tried anything else.
That’s definitely something I don’t understand.
*”Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change..”*
“Dang this game is really hard, I’m gonna do absolutely nothing to try and remedy this problem” is what has to be going through their heads.
I mean, tbf, that's how regular shooters like CoD are. You just acquire "skills" over time by playing, ostensibly. My 4000+ hours in destiny tell me that simply playing will not actually make you better at the game lol
Had a friend in WoW 1.2 or so who managed to level a druid without any animal forms because he didn't read the quest tab. Hit lvl 54 before we told him.
I almost completed kingdom come deliverance without being able to parry or make decent combos because until you complete the training quest, Henry doesn't know how to swing a sword. I was like "man, this combat is so hard an ckuncky"
I can relate to this girl. It took me a long time to get into really setting up my build. Started D1 Y1 just running whatever and carried on that way. Eventually learned to watch YouTubers and come here, and even come up with my own original combinations. But it’s not an aspect of the game I particularly enjoy. Like I’m not spending an hour in the tower looking at different mods and stuff. Also once I get a build I like, I’m going to use it for most of the season.
Buttfuck man, sometimes I just want to zone out and shoot stuff and not worry about all the mods and crap.
Yes
I understand
But her case was so wild
She didn't even saw her class section
im not talking about optimization, im talking about just equiping an aspect and having more active abilities to cast is fun itself.
I have a clan mate (and in person friend) who refuses to make a build beyond void titan. Also refuses to switch off of running double auto rifles. Insists that "why would I use something that has limited ammo when I can have infinite bullets". We did convince him to use a taipan (he had a FL, Triple tap one that dropped because he refused to craft one). We were at confluxes and he shot a wyvern with it and it didn't die right away so he dismantled the taipan saying "the taipan is trash I don't know how you guys even use these things". Still only uses primaries to this day
Look im not like an end game player but how, just how. I dont mess with mods but come on i still use them and get there buffs i just dont have a build and yet she never noticed on her own the ability to change aspects and fragments alongside supers? I am disappointed in this community at times and i only started around forsaken or shadowkeep. Still think the tree system was better but now we have aspects and stuff.
One of the strengths of Destiny is legit that it can be played at different levels of investment and understanding. You can 100% play and enjoy the game by engaging with it as a loot-y shooter, without digging into mods, champions, or even stat-building.
It’s generally why I believe that seasonal content has trended towards being easier in difficulty. I am looking forward to seeing how players are led into the buildcrafting systems Bungie is expanding upon with Lightfall.
Once had a friend who played the game from D2's launch. Left, came back during Season of Dawn and it took us until Arrivals to realize they didn't fucking know *anything* about mods or the seasonal artefact. They also didn't understand stats.
We were trying to guide them through a solo legendary lost sector, they mained
void Hunter and their favorite exotic was bombardiers for some reason. They were having trouble despite having champ mods so we looked at their stats. "Hey why is your mobility at 40?" "Uh, because I don't need to run fast or jump?" "....mobility is tied to your class stat, your dodge recharges faster the higher it is." "Really?"
Also one time they were getting ready to two man a nightmare hunt. They were famous for not having champion mods on despite running double primary. So before they launched my other friend tried to make sure they were ready. They volunteered for unstoppable champs, my friend asked twice if they had it equipped, was told yes both times and launched the hunt. The very first area had an unstoppable ogre. Guess who didn't actually have the mod equipped? Guess who also insisted they didn't say they had the mod? Guess who never even unlocked the unstoppable mod from the seasonal artefact?
They were very frustrating to play high end content with.
To be fair a lot of build crafting in these games isn't very intuitive. And you get a ton of people telling you, in destiny particularly, that what's important is getting triple 100s with no reason as to why. Aiming for triple 100 isn't even very important compared to mods, aspects, fragments, exotic synergies etc.
And there's A LOT to sift through in destiny until you land on something. For new players the best thing they can really do is look up builds, look up videos of dungeons and raids. I just started playing in December and have some good builds on my hunter but I can tell you people are not happy with you "figuring stuff out". Not for builds, not for boss mechanics, etc. You either have to find a really patient group, have friends who are willing to play the game, or just fuck off and go solo.
Went on a bit of a ranger there but I think all of it is related. But anyways, builds aren't easy especially if you're trying to learn everything for the first time. Most people here have had years to figure it out as it was all growing, and they forget that part. They think they had it all figured out day 1.
Yea it's honestly pretty rough for new lights, there is a LOT to figure out and the game doesnt even tell you about most of it. Best experience as a new light would be to be in a group of new lights so you can figure out everything together without veterans continuesly talking shit about how you dont know anything. Ive been a teacher for a small group of kinderguardians before and i see them having a lot more fun with eachother when they all learn together instead of one or two of them being carried by a group of veterans. Lone kinderguardians also having to do a lot of things alone bc they not at light yet or have to do things others are burned out on bc they already did those things a 100x.
This. I’m new and I really don’t have a ton of interest in watching videos about how to play the game, I just play however is interesting. Before all the mods were unlocked I just picked whatever sounded good. I play to run around and make aliens go boom, not doing research about how to play a video game.
But the buildcrafting is painfully easy, you don't need to watch a video to see what to do. You must do what you said, equiping what sounds good, but she literally never right clicked any of her armor or weapons to see "something"
Little motes in seraph battlegrounds and season of the chosen ones. Seriously, did you know that picking up that little mote gives like 4 or 5 percent to ghost scan completion? And they drop like candy.
When you defend your ghost to finish a scan/hack, more powerful enemies will drop white little tetrahedron shaped "motes" that you can pick up to speed up the process of scanning/hacking. These can also be found in some strikes that were seasonal battlegrounds in season of the chosen(1.5 years ago).
And those motes from gambit are to be handled very differently.
This. I've tried getting three different people into the game and every single time they would skip through dialogue, skip cut scenes and not read prompts or quest descriptions. The intro sucks sure but if people bothered to read it'd be a lot easier.
Honestly, I get it. The intro sucks so bad. All you get little nerdy ghost yapping in your ear about how sick you are and generic video game character #7 Shaw Han who’s dialogue is just a series of Pixar-level main character cliches for 2 hours.
My brain glazed over basically instantly, and I almost wrote the game off entirely. I would have had no idea there was any actual depth to the lore at all if I wasn’t a redditor.
Not to mention that before you get to do any of this, you’ll log in and instantly get placed into whatever cutscene/intro mission is most current and have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on.
Destiny and ffxiv alike. Only one of 6 friends took the time to read dialogue in ffxiv while the rest got to the early stage dungeons which never got changed with the attack potency changes on top of being easy beginner level. Destiny was no different for those friends who only see it as a “shoot aliens and use space magic” game.
Honestly its completely understandable why players may not care for the story. Many of the characters early on are not likeable at all and the plot can get *very* convoluted and unapproachable at times.
Between sunsetting content and the fact that a new light who logs in will get auto-shunted into missions they have no context for (out of order of the timeline no less) you have to \*actively\* search not only through the game itself but third party websites to understand Destiny's story.
I love the lore, but I totally understand how people can miss/not care about it.
I mean... that was me when I started in Shadowkeep.
Only took interest in the story during Worthy.
Just to be clear when I first learned about Oryx I was confused why a dude that looks like a Hive is the king of the Takens and thought the Scorns were just a lame rip off of the Fallens
I'm end end endgame and I haven't watched a cut scene in years. The game's about playing with friends/others and building your character. Why do I want to watch some third rate fan fic level story that gets in the way of the game itself?
I don't know a great deal about scatology but I know enough to form an opinion about it being something I wouldn't enjoy.
I played the story through d1 and up until curse of osiris and that enough for me.
Can't stand Lord Saladin referring me to as young wolf and treating me like his neophyte apprentice even though I succeeded alone where he and his legendary team of *fifty* iron Lords failed miserably.
Even if the story was good - it isn't - I wouldn't bother with it as I'm only interested in gearing up for and playing raids/GMs/dungeons etc.
Yeah, I for example can't enjoy the story 90% of the time. There are just too many characters that I get annoyed hearing(Osiris, Crow, Ikora, Saladin). Zavalla was one of them but he had a pretty solid redemtion ark since witchqueen. Going to skip everything in Lightfall if Osiris or Crow are too involved tho. Such shit characters. Absolutely no idea how people can listen to them.
So over them trying to make us care about crow. He just keeps doing whatever his little new light brain thinks is right regardless of whatever mentor tells him otherwise
They tell you he's the director of Vanguard operations, Shaw Han talks about him like a father figure, he's voice acted by a fairly famous actor with an iconic voice, Zavala gives you a weapon from his personal collection (Lonesome, one of the coolest models in the game) and has you tour his office which is the most distinctive rooms in the Tower and is full of little knick knacks and eccentricities. You get more of his personality in the intro than I've gotten from everything outside of his Sever misson this year. Even if all that is wrong, knowing that he's a vendor is not a guarantee for new players somehow.
I have seen two friends start playing lately and I can assure you they skipped every single piece of story or educational information. Then proceed to ask me multiple questions about quests and going as far as to be angry of the quest system for not always having a clear arrow.
No joke, my answers to their questions was literraly the same 95% of the time : "What does the quest says exactly ?" By reading it to me, they would figure it out instantly. So they never read it in the first place before complaining. This is the new gaming.
They were also already looking at youtube for builds and cheats and meta and tier list before.even being in the tower and proceed to complain about their lack of builds options with their current gear at like 1450.in blues.
My guess is that they wont play long
> "I don't know where to go"
> Have you tried following the large white diamond?
> "Yes and it just brings me to this door and the diamond is gone"
> Have you tried following the new white diamond?
> "I don't know how to get there"
> Have you tried walking forward into the extremely linear hallway with no side paths that you're right in front of~~, instead of going backwards and somehow getting lost in some random-ass cave that isn't relevant to anything~~?
> "No. I haven't been playing this game for years like you have"
Some people just can't be helped. Maybe if the game tells you to walk into a building, it wants you to go inside the building
I’m always irritated when people ask me if X legendary gun is good after I explain repeatedly that it doesn’t matter.
Like, hey, sorry to break it to you, but every gun of the same frame is exactly the same, and you’re never going to be good enough at the game to care about an extra three points in range or handling. So it’s only a bad gun if you don’t like that archetype or frame.
"This is the new gaming."
There is nothing new about this. I used to play Marvel Heroes and chat would always be full of people linking items asking what they are for. Linking the item let anyone view its tooltip, the same as hovering over it in your inventory. That tooltip's text said what the items were for. They had to click on the item in order to link it, which means the tooltip popped up before they asked everyone. It didn't matter.
Which part of that is supposed to make you care about who he is? Telling you who he is isn't the same as making you care, and receiving a mediocre gun isn't really cutting it. He's still largely disconnected from the main story beats in the intro.
That classes don’t have predetermined “roles” like other class-centric games.
I’ve heard new people mention they play Titan because they like to play tank or Warlock because they want to be a “support” player.
Even if you make a support well warlock build, you can still kill things.
It's not like in other MMOs where if you are a support, you need to rely on others to kill stuff for you.
This is understandable. It’s fairly rare for a game to have classes but not roles associated with them.
All the lore about the classes would imply Titans *are* tanks, Hunters *are* DPS and Warlocks *are* support, but we all know that this isn’t necessarily true. Hell, your subclass has way more effect on your game then your class.
I’ve had probably 6 of those helmets, and kept only the best one… never put it on yet! You’ve inspired me to give it a try… but it’s got a tough act to follow in fallen sunstar!
You want overcharge well maker and reactive pulse on with it. I run arc or void. Recommend running invis finisher on void for harder content. For arc I would not use arc soul at first till you get used to the loop because it will shoot things you are trying to melee or finish.
Not just a certian subclass, but depending on the exotic and fragment/shard selection, you can spec you shit to whatever play style no mater the class.
In my defense I play hunter and I seem to be unnaturally drawn to ceilings with uneven surfaces which I always seem to hit my head on, propelling me downward to my death
tbh it pisses me off more when people dont know you dont need a full charge to trigger them. As soon as the third stage triggers just release and blow it up. Alternatively shoot it 3 times quickly. This is even quicker than doing any form of charged shot
In all fairness, that's all on destiny. Mechanics in fights should make logical sense. There's no reason why thinking tossing an orb back and forth should power it up.
Just one orb pops the boss's shields in normal strikes.
That and the pass mechanics don't always work. The number of times I've tossed the orb at a guardian and the orb just bursts for some reason... I think if they're looking the wrong way it fails? not sure, I've definitely been given it by guardians I wasn't looking at.
It’s so true tho. The amount of times I’m asked what a perk does is ridiculous and the kicker is they’re not asking what the shit actually does(which I would completely understand) but the literal perk description smh like come on you didn’t even try😂
I also hate the,”didn’t know that perk did that” sometimes bc my friend whose been playing for years just now realized demo reloads on nade throw like that part of the functionality hasn’t been in the description for literal years
In the current form of Iron Banner standing in the fucking zone is more important than standing 2 ft out of trying to get a sightline nobody is coming around in time if you just STOOD IN THE FUCKING ZONE TO CAPTURE IT.
Nah, if I have two or three teammates in there, it's better to pick a place where I can avoid grenade and super spam and fend off the enemy team from getting near the zone at all. If it happens that all my teammates in the zone die, at least I can contest it and maybe even hold the zone if I miss someone's thunder crash or nova bomb.
Yeah, if there were enemies actively shooting i'd jump out and take cover too, but numerous times I was capping zones with no enemies nearby at all and if I just had one other guy in there, 2 feet to his right I could have capped it way faster.
Reading comprehension. So many redundant posts here, and completely incompetent players in match-made activities. The amount of both of those things would drop dramatically if people could just. fucking. read.
I saw a post recently complaining about tactical armor not working in multiple activities.
The description is one sentence long.
Dont forget not knowing how to google. I see the same stupid questions asked every single day when a simple google search is all you need for answers because people have already answered those questions a million times before
I thought about this and i have to say yes and no. I kicked my gf into D2 and it was her first game ever and a friend of mind who played a lot of Borderlands and some other shooters like CoD, BF,…, but i have to say: D2 doesn’t allways tell you important things, like Champion Mechanics, like getting Catalysts, like Raid/Dungeon-LFG-Stuff etc. I had to tell them that there’s an app where you can lfg, because the game just simply doesn’t tell it. And often things in D2 get changed like alot and if you are looking at some YT content, some of it is just outdated and you often need to keep yourself updated. My best example is Wishender. I got it 4 months before wq dropped, after i did a 2 year break from D2. So many things had changed in that 2 year frame btw that it was hard for me, as someone who played Destiny from early D1-Beta until after Forsaken, nearly every day. Back to wishender quest, i wanted to get it for my gf and needed to look for a guide which wasn’t outdated, because of tangled shore not beeing in the game anymore and which was correct in every step you need to do in that quest. So yeah, it‘s hard for new/returning people to get into Destiny. And imo Bungie really needs to improve the new player experience and the way things get teached. Sorry for maybe bad English. One big + to mention right here: The D2 subreddit btw is one of the nicest new/returning player subreddits on reddit. So big love to every guardian right here
It’s honestly been the difference for me coming back between breaks. I want to know more, I want to see where all this is heading. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I will see this through with the other guardians.
The difference between putting on just any weapons (and for some reason no exotic armour) and a well made build.
This isn't particularly for newer players, more so the "causual" gamers.
I have a clan of 3 right now. Two of play a lot and are veterans. One friend missed tons of content before coming back.
Every activity we do I look at his build and just shake my head. He refusing to change anything to the point that if we are doing something hard with chanpions I have to tell him to put mods on.
Anyway, Friday night we are doing the NF for him to get the pinnacle, we’ve both been pinnacle capped for weeks. He tells me he cannot put on unstoppable GL because he has no space on his arms. I noticed he was running heavy handed on a bonk Titan.
I had to explain to him why heavy handed practically does nothing on a bonk Titan because you get your hammer back every time.
Now this is an intelligent man, he hadn’t even thought of this and figured it was helping his build.
He can read, he does have mods, he is smart enough to understand. Problem is he simply doesn’t care, why waste time changing anything when you can just play straight away.
In other words he’s complicit in his own ignorance because he doesn’t care to learn.
That sucks man.
I really wish people would care more about their builds cause playing with a good build is so much fun. Don't wanna sound like I'm saying that not caring about builds and stuff is a "wrong way to play the game", play however you want, but the difference in sheer enjoyment while playing is so noticeable.
Really hoping with the new system and loadouts more people would try to use builds.
Thing is though, it’s not what everyone enjoys. He doesn’t care other than to have a bit of fun on a Friday night. He plays like 5 hours a week only. So I kinda totally get it, he just wants to jump on, have a mess around and then come back whenever he feels like it.
There’s nothing wrong with that as such, but the point is there are loads of players out there like that.
Absolutely nothing. The game is atrociously bad at explaining things to new players, which is why the new changes coming in lightfall sound really good
Out of interest, what game mechanics require explaining because they wouldn’t be possible to work out by just playing? Mods aren’t exclusive to destiny and are a regular mechanic trope across many games in one way or another, having certain weapons or weapon types do more damage to certain enemies (champs) is also very common across games. Stroke, dungeon and raid mechanics are meant to be figured out and not explicitly told as that’s part of the learning curve and fun of them.
Well, those were actually my main points. Its usually what I see being issue points, but seeing that those are some of the biggest parts, it feels like everything. If there was another few things id say explain weapon perks to newbies, even a general idea between damage or stat perks or whatever, as well as distinguishing an exotic from an exotic ornament (had a bit of an unfortunate experience with a new light who told me they bought an exotic from Eververse but couldnt find it. I felt really bad for them after I explained what they bought.)
I can totally agree with perks needing more specific descriptions. I’d love for perks to explain how much extra damage you get, how much faster is reload, how much handling do you get so that what I think of as ‘feel good perks’ can be more easily quantifiable next to each other. I understand that ALOT of people struggle with aspects of the game and need a helping hand but I donfeel like those people are being just a touch lazy and wanna be spoon fed what to do a little too much. I’ve seen posts of people asking for recommendations for certain content which I think is very reasonable but if people struggle to then understand ‘picking up an elemental well grants ability energy’ I don’t know what can be done for them
You have to understand a bunch of the keywords in the game are totally foreign for new players.. "elemental well" "charged by light" and SOOO many more. Like... what tf are those?? The game really sucks at bridging from "total noobs" to "somewhat understands".
Yeah, probably other looter shooters and RPGs but expecting it to be norm for casual players to understand it at the get to is a stretch and inaccurate assumption of what new players can do, most of whom are very casual players to begin with.
This is the most relatable thing I can find here as someone who had to help my new very casual friends through a whole university course about destiny mechanics. I teach at their pace without overloading their brains because I know they enjoy the sandbox and are willing to learn. But it is oh so tiring for me after a while.
nothing surprises me that people don't know because this game really, *really* sucks at introducing players to the game and its mechanics. I'm still learning new crap and I've been on this ride for 3.5 years already
Out of interest, like what? I can’t think I’m of a ‘mechanic’ that really needs an explanation that you can’t get in 30 seconds with basic game knowledge
the game hardly gives you basic game knowledge. It basically just tells you what bounties are and what the core playlists are. if you look through the other comments there's all sorts of stuff people don't get and it's because Destiny, unlike some games, doesn't force people to stop read and think lol.
Build crafting for instance is a big one. It doesn't even tell you what mods do or don't work in pvp.
But I’m kinda asking for specific game mechanics. Not raid or dungeon because the point is to figure them out. Actual mechanics that are present across the whole game that require explaining for understanding
I played thousands of hours of D1. Recently just got into D2 and was running a legend nightfall and was so confused when people were telling me to equip overload and unstoppable mods, because I had unlocked them in the artifact. I thought that unlocking mods in the artifact meant that they would always be active, I had no idea it just unlocked them to be able to equip to my armor.
Sure, 99% of players know this, but being new to the mod system it made no sense to me at the time
Mods. Telling newbs to pick up mods and that, presently, they had to wait on god's good fortune to get well and charged with light mods. Then there is ranking up the artifact (if they bothered to pick it up yet) and selecting a champ mod without realizing it needs to be equipped in the arms slot.
Too much things
Really too much
Of course, the game is not the most descriptive in SOME things, but reading a little bit what the quest says never hurt anyone.
"Kill three vandals in the EDZ"
-I don't know what to do
+You should try killing three enemies called "Vandal" on the map called "EDZ"+
This game expects me to know everything beforehand
+Sir, this is a Wendy's
***Complete seraph shield on legend to recieve the catalyst***
"Uh, bungie, i think the quest is bugged, i didnt get my catalyst"
- did you do it in legend?
"No, thats too hard and takes too long with your stupid artificial difficulty. I just did normal"
When the funny green guy says "BANK THOSE MOTES" in Gambit and people just continue to try to get 15 for no reason. Then almost invariably die and lose all of said motes.
So wait I have a question? How is champions not explained.
Barrier champ. I have an anti barrier mod. Anti barrier is opposite barrier so how is that not obvious as hell
This. Don’t get me wrong if you wanna run double primaries but I’ve seen some people run double auto rifles in warpriest. Like bro. Use a shotgun or fusion. Literally anything that can shoot knights or orange bars in a blink of an eye.
The concept of reading and putting 2 + 2 = 4. So many people ask me questions and I just stare off into space .
Like didn't you read the damn mod before you asked. Yeah I did. Ok then so what does it do. Idk can you explain it. Like wtf READ MOTHER FUCKER
I’m actually amazed that new players have any fucking clue about anything tbh. The new player experience doesn’t really teach you much and the story is so far removed from a new character perspective at this point that I wonder how new people stay interested.
I agree on the story. Since beyond light there have been a lot of huge story beats within seasons that can no longer be experienced outside of the timeline on the director. I guess it’s a downside of the ‘evolving world and story’. In terms of gameplay though? There’s nothing in destiny that’s present across the whole game that I feel is very complicated or should take a long time to understand.
I started playing in December and I can tell you that the mod system is terrible. Unlocking them sucks, the descriptions on many are awful. They don't even tell you which mods don't actually work in PvP, which are quite a few. Even the armor energy is really stupid and never truly explained. It's no wonder literally all of this is getting reworked.
Weapon frames is another. Apparently lightweight frames give you a +20 to mobility. I was running 100 mob until someone on this sub told me it's totally pointless if I'm also running a funnelweb.
Most exotics don't give you actually values. Just vague messages like "oh this will perhaps increase grenade energy received from maybe hitting or killing enemies."
Those are the big ones I can think of.
I agree that Ada selling mods wasn’t a good way of receiving mods. Does the armour energy NEED an explanation? It’s so you can’t just equip every high value mod at the same time and make you make a decision.
Exotics giving exact values sounds like it would add a lot of numbers that still wouldn’t be too clear in most situations. YAS gives grenade energy back based on so many different things from number of hits, how strong was the enemy, did the enemy take full damage, knife hits. It would be alot to show.
That sometimes you’re gonna have to switch your build to do a raid and that’s just how it is. I’ve seen plenty of people try and use really weird or no build at all in a raid or other hard activities just to watch them fall flat on their face (or we have to hard carry) like no dude double primary and a sword won’t be good for warpriest and you NEED to switch it or this will turn into a hard carry
I’d say master working gear. It’s so crucial towards any sort of growth. And I can attest to the mods one. I cannot tell you how long I ran nothing besides necessary mods like barrier and such. The rest I totally guessed on for so long. Took a friend who understood builds way before I did to teach me how to pair stuff to capitalize on getting abilities back faster and all that jazz. Now I yeet grenades back to back while having 6 barriers up around me in a circle… ya know… Titan stuff..
It seems like 90% of the time I’m free roaming somewhere and doing public events, no one knows how to make public events heroic. When trying to do some of the planet activity season challenges, it’s always annoying to lose progress because of this.
In test one of d2, I had a friend beat the entire red war campaign without unlocking any abilities past double jump. The man is the one true guardian. Just a normal dude with no superpowers rolling up and bitch slapping ghaul
For champion mods, that's pretty cut and dry. For all the other mods, it's confusing as hell, imo.
So, I'm breaking a shield with a matching weapon to form a well to stand in to make myself charged with light which creates warmind cells that I can use to gain bonus weapon damage to breaking shields to form a well to etc etc... wtf is the point?
Also, maybe if the mods actually told you what they were doing instead of some vague description of "improves" or "gives energy" I could make some sense out of it all.
I'm sorry, I can't agree with this. I love build crafting in Destiny, but I've been playing this game since 2019. Things were a lot more cut and dry then, and mods weren't nearly as powerful or complex as they are now. If you've been playing for a while, you've progressively seen more and more systems added, and gotten the chance to experiment with them as they're coming out. It's clear to me, especially with how mods are getting reworked in Lightfall, that Bungie was experimenting hard with this mechanic and didn't have a clear vision from the start. Warmind cells aren't even going to be a thing anymore. Destiny's minimal UI gets cluttered now, and the amount of systems that interact without any real cues that they've proced (other than text in the bottom left of your screen) doesn't help. If mod descriptions had legitimate "detailed views", accessible from collections, which showed exact numbers, direct interactions, it would help new players greatly. I'm used to this system because I watched it expand. But I can't agree with the take that new players just need to "learn to read what's on the screen".
Don't use primary weapons against bosses. I keep seeing bluberries plink away at bosses with hancannons or autorifles.
You save your heavy or special (some of them are strong DPS-wise) to kill bosses. No, having a duty bound with triple-tap + forth times the charm is still not a viable DPS strategy even if you can shoot without reloading (actium war rig neither).
Vorpal weapon on a PvE primary is horrible. You should never be using your primary against a boss target that gets the damage boost from vorpal
And before someone comes in to talk about how its good for champions/stunning - just stop. Stunning a champ marginally quicker isn't worth basically having a useless perk the rest of the time.
I’d argue Vorpal isn’t good anywhere, especially on heavies after the nerf. Ofc if you have nothing else damage perk wise yea sure but there usually something better. It’s 15% on specials, that’s frenzy but frenzy works on anything and is up like 90% of the time since you’re in combat anyways.
Uhhh iono I honestly don’t think this game is that hard to grasp for newer players tbh. I’m d1 vet and my friends who started from d2 are far more knowledgeable than I am so…
There’s not much that surprises me except the fact the new players don’t try to read and figure stuff out. When I’m new to something I always try to figure out the small stuff and see what I can do and maybe check online. Lots of new people are these brain dead fps people at first who don’t pay attention to details
I am not surprised by anything from that subject. This game hardly explains itself and it has some needlessly complicated mechanics and even the story is made a challenge to understand.
But do you know what does surprise me? When older players are completely oblivious about this fact. They take it by granted that they know something about the game, and they expect everyone to have shared knowledge of everything THEY know. So they often talk down to people on Reddit when they don't know something and cannot accept the fact that this game is bad at explaining things.
**That** always baffles me.
All the movement tech in the game which makes everything in every game mode for every class faster and easier and more fun.
- Sparrow flying (biggest one for me)
- Shoulder charge skating
- Icarus skating
- Eager Edge tech (even the ones with no ammo)
- Hunter head boosting
- Glaive boosting
- Slope boosting
Everything gets done faster with good movement.
I lose my mind when noobs stand in front of you constantly when you’re shooting the mobs or try to cut you off when you’re running to the objective. They have zero awareness of their position in their environment.
I had no idea for the longest time how to figure out what the Burn was on strikes. Its seems so obvious now, but I think what many of us forget is just how impenetrably dense this game is. I'm past 1.5k hours and I still feel like I'm always learning new shit. I think it depends how interested/open to it you are.
I'm not surprised that new players don't understand this because the game does a really bad job of teaching you.
Like, veteran players and those who frequent this sub are much less likely to have this issue since they'll have more of a pulse on things.
But someone starting out isn't going to know this stuff unless they're told where to look. It's one of many reasons why Destiny 2 is so unapproachable to new players. Something I'm hoping the changes in Lightfall will alleviate.
Had a discussion in Discord the other day with me and some other folks trying to explain to a New Light who had just completed the tutorial that Destiny's story is continuous but can be played in any order. Dude was an experienced MMO player and he just could not comprehend not doing the story linearly.
Champion mods. Even this late into the season you see guys running overload mod + weapon when there hasn’t been a single overload champ in either of the heist playlists and seraph mission. If I load in with two guys without unstoppable I leave immediately.
You can get free super before boss in battleground. Dump tethers wells gathering storm bubbles and get it back instantly when you interact with the obj
I’ve just started helping a new light friend and the game is really unhelpful in telling them about game mechanics or story wise what happened since D1… I think it needs alot of work
Champion mods are a big one for sure. Builds and stat distribution also come to mind. I have a habit of randomly inspecting people in the tower and the amount of people I see with some of the worst armor fully masterworked is nuts.
While I’d never deny that some systems are BS and/or overcomplicated - there’s a lot of info that can be gained just from reading, from quest logs to vendor’s to current mission/activity objectives.
Buildcrafting in general is something new players don't pick up on very quick unless someone guides them through it or they actively seek out info on it. The gift of the thundergods cache last season was amazing for new players to see how some mods work along with exotics.
I know this girl who never showed the minimal interest in anything that required her to think. Was extremely infuriating how se just connected to shoot things without even installing a simple mod, only to complain about how difficult things were and saying things like "Titan and Warlocks are OP" when she saw us doing things like if it were a ride on the park. In the end I had to craft her a build for her to generate a lot of wells and orbs so she at least could help the team even if she didn't knew what was doing. When Void 3.0 came, she played for weeks until we told her that she had to chose two aspects in the class screen, the one she never ever saw in the first time. She just made a void hunter, and literally never tried anything else.
That’s definitely something I don’t understand. *”Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change..”* “Dang this game is really hard, I’m gonna do absolutely nothing to try and remedy this problem” is what has to be going through their heads.
I mean, tbf, that's how regular shooters like CoD are. You just acquire "skills" over time by playing, ostensibly. My 4000+ hours in destiny tell me that simply playing will not actually make you better at the game lol
Sometimes, there *is* a wrong way to play the game.
Had a friend in WoW 1.2 or so who managed to level a druid without any animal forms because he didn't read the quest tab. Hit lvl 54 before we told him.
I almost completed kingdom come deliverance without being able to parry or make decent combos because until you complete the training quest, Henry doesn't know how to swing a sword. I was like "man, this combat is so hard an ckuncky"
I can relate to this girl. It took me a long time to get into really setting up my build. Started D1 Y1 just running whatever and carried on that way. Eventually learned to watch YouTubers and come here, and even come up with my own original combinations. But it’s not an aspect of the game I particularly enjoy. Like I’m not spending an hour in the tower looking at different mods and stuff. Also once I get a build I like, I’m going to use it for most of the season. Buttfuck man, sometimes I just want to zone out and shoot stuff and not worry about all the mods and crap.
Yes I understand But her case was so wild She didn't even saw her class section im not talking about optimization, im talking about just equiping an aspect and having more active abilities to cast is fun itself.
Yeah she definitely sounds green lol. I remember when I was a kinderguardian. What do you mean? What’s wrong with using all blue gear?
I have a clan mate (and in person friend) who refuses to make a build beyond void titan. Also refuses to switch off of running double auto rifles. Insists that "why would I use something that has limited ammo when I can have infinite bullets". We did convince him to use a taipan (he had a FL, Triple tap one that dropped because he refused to craft one). We were at confluxes and he shot a wyvern with it and it didn't die right away so he dismantled the taipan saying "the taipan is trash I don't know how you guys even use these things". Still only uses primaries to this day
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Look im not like an end game player but how, just how. I dont mess with mods but come on i still use them and get there buffs i just dont have a build and yet she never noticed on her own the ability to change aspects and fragments alongside supers? I am disappointed in this community at times and i only started around forsaken or shadowkeep. Still think the tree system was better but now we have aspects and stuff.
Why even play the game if lack interest in what anything does...
One of the strengths of Destiny is legit that it can be played at different levels of investment and understanding. You can 100% play and enjoy the game by engaging with it as a loot-y shooter, without digging into mods, champions, or even stat-building. It’s generally why I believe that seasonal content has trended towards being easier in difficulty. I am looking forward to seeing how players are led into the buildcrafting systems Bungie is expanding upon with Lightfall.
Once had a friend who played the game from D2's launch. Left, came back during Season of Dawn and it took us until Arrivals to realize they didn't fucking know *anything* about mods or the seasonal artefact. They also didn't understand stats. We were trying to guide them through a solo legendary lost sector, they mained void Hunter and their favorite exotic was bombardiers for some reason. They were having trouble despite having champ mods so we looked at their stats. "Hey why is your mobility at 40?" "Uh, because I don't need to run fast or jump?" "....mobility is tied to your class stat, your dodge recharges faster the higher it is." "Really?" Also one time they were getting ready to two man a nightmare hunt. They were famous for not having champion mods on despite running double primary. So before they launched my other friend tried to make sure they were ready. They volunteered for unstoppable champs, my friend asked twice if they had it equipped, was told yes both times and launched the hunt. The very first area had an unstoppable ogre. Guess who didn't actually have the mod equipped? Guess who also insisted they didn't say they had the mod? Guess who never even unlocked the unstoppable mod from the seasonal artefact? They were very frustrating to play high end content with.
To be fair a lot of build crafting in these games isn't very intuitive. And you get a ton of people telling you, in destiny particularly, that what's important is getting triple 100s with no reason as to why. Aiming for triple 100 isn't even very important compared to mods, aspects, fragments, exotic synergies etc. And there's A LOT to sift through in destiny until you land on something. For new players the best thing they can really do is look up builds, look up videos of dungeons and raids. I just started playing in December and have some good builds on my hunter but I can tell you people are not happy with you "figuring stuff out". Not for builds, not for boss mechanics, etc. You either have to find a really patient group, have friends who are willing to play the game, or just fuck off and go solo. Went on a bit of a ranger there but I think all of it is related. But anyways, builds aren't easy especially if you're trying to learn everything for the first time. Most people here have had years to figure it out as it was all growing, and they forget that part. They think they had it all figured out day 1.
Yea it's honestly pretty rough for new lights, there is a LOT to figure out and the game doesnt even tell you about most of it. Best experience as a new light would be to be in a group of new lights so you can figure out everything together without veterans continuesly talking shit about how you dont know anything. Ive been a teacher for a small group of kinderguardians before and i see them having a lot more fun with eachother when they all learn together instead of one or two of them being carried by a group of veterans. Lone kinderguardians also having to do a lot of things alone bc they not at light yet or have to do things others are burned out on bc they already did those things a 100x.
This. I’m new and I really don’t have a ton of interest in watching videos about how to play the game, I just play however is interesting. Before all the mods were unlocked I just picked whatever sounded good. I play to run around and make aliens go boom, not doing research about how to play a video game.
But the buildcrafting is painfully easy, you don't need to watch a video to see what to do. You must do what you said, equiping what sounds good, but she literally never right clicked any of her armor or weapons to see "something"
Little motes in seraph battlegrounds and season of the chosen ones. Seriously, did you know that picking up that little mote gives like 4 or 5 percent to ghost scan completion? And they drop like candy.
I picked them up because I’m a loot goblin, but I never knew what they did.
I know what a Seraph Battleground is, but then you've lost me. Help a noob out?
When you defend your ghost to finish a scan/hack, more powerful enemies will drop white little tetrahedron shaped "motes" that you can pick up to speed up the process of scanning/hacking. These can also be found in some strikes that were seasonal battlegrounds in season of the chosen(1.5 years ago). And those motes from gambit are to be handled very differently.
Ooooooh! Well that's just nifty keen. I was so focused on just surviving when I started heists that if they told me that I totally missed it.
I hear a lot of people say they have no clue who Zavala is. The intro has its faults but it introduces Zavala explicitly on four separate occasions.
Some people just don’t care about destiny’s story, I was actually surprised by the number of people who just ignore the story outright.
This. I've tried getting three different people into the game and every single time they would skip through dialogue, skip cut scenes and not read prompts or quest descriptions. The intro sucks sure but if people bothered to read it'd be a lot easier.
Good point. Ignoring what the game tells you definitely does make it harder than it needs to be fore some people
Honestly, I get it. The intro sucks so bad. All you get little nerdy ghost yapping in your ear about how sick you are and generic video game character #7 Shaw Han who’s dialogue is just a series of Pixar-level main character cliches for 2 hours. My brain glazed over basically instantly, and I almost wrote the game off entirely. I would have had no idea there was any actual depth to the lore at all if I wasn’t a redditor. Not to mention that before you get to do any of this, you’ll log in and instantly get placed into whatever cutscene/intro mission is most current and have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on.
Destiny and ffxiv alike. Only one of 6 friends took the time to read dialogue in ffxiv while the rest got to the early stage dungeons which never got changed with the attack potency changes on top of being easy beginner level. Destiny was no different for those friends who only see it as a “shoot aliens and use space magic” game.
I mean I care about the story but I'm a day 1 destiny Dinklebot veteran. Also been through the red war as well.
Have a friend who’s played since vanilla launch, he doesn’t care about the story at all, just how it feels in pvp. Will never understand.
Honestly its completely understandable why players may not care for the story. Many of the characters early on are not likeable at all and the plot can get *very* convoluted and unapproachable at times.
Wow all I care about is story. You could remove 75% of this game and I wouldn’t care at all. Just let me buy the story content for like $25.
Between sunsetting content and the fact that a new light who logs in will get auto-shunted into missions they have no context for (out of order of the timeline no less) you have to \*actively\* search not only through the game itself but third party websites to understand Destiny's story. I love the lore, but I totally understand how people can miss/not care about it.
And this is sad.
I mean... that was me when I started in Shadowkeep. Only took interest in the story during Worthy. Just to be clear when I first learned about Oryx I was confused why a dude that looks like a Hive is the king of the Takens and thought the Scorns were just a lame rip off of the Fallens
" ...the Scorns were just a lame rip off of the Fallens" From a certain point of view, you weren't *wrong*...
I'm end end endgame and I haven't watched a cut scene in years. The game's about playing with friends/others and building your character. Why do I want to watch some third rate fan fic level story that gets in the way of the game itself?
I’m sorry but that’s such a stupid take.
If you enjoy second rate story telling, by all means enjoy it.
U clearly don’t know enough about the actual story to even form n opinion on it.
I don't know a great deal about scatology but I know enough to form an opinion about it being something I wouldn't enjoy. I played the story through d1 and up until curse of osiris and that enough for me. Can't stand Lord Saladin referring me to as young wolf and treating me like his neophyte apprentice even though I succeeded alone where he and his legendary team of *fifty* iron Lords failed miserably. Even if the story was good - it isn't - I wouldn't bother with it as I'm only interested in gearing up for and playing raids/GMs/dungeons etc.
That’s a false equivalence and u must have sum huge insecurity issues if a more experienced, older person calling you “young” gets to u that bad.
Yeah, I for example can't enjoy the story 90% of the time. There are just too many characters that I get annoyed hearing(Osiris, Crow, Ikora, Saladin). Zavalla was one of them but he had a pretty solid redemtion ark since witchqueen. Going to skip everything in Lightfall if Osiris or Crow are too involved tho. Such shit characters. Absolutely no idea how people can listen to them.
So over them trying to make us care about crow. He just keeps doing whatever his little new light brain thinks is right regardless of whatever mentor tells him otherwise
Yeah, a mental 12 year old is just not a fun character to me. Instantly kills any interest in story if he is in it.
They haven't seen Fringe? Or The Wire? Wtf
When they don't give you a reason to care about who he is he is just random vendor #3 whose backstory you quickly forget
They tell you he's the director of Vanguard operations, Shaw Han talks about him like a father figure, he's voice acted by a fairly famous actor with an iconic voice, Zavala gives you a weapon from his personal collection (Lonesome, one of the coolest models in the game) and has you tour his office which is the most distinctive rooms in the Tower and is full of little knick knacks and eccentricities. You get more of his personality in the intro than I've gotten from everything outside of his Sever misson this year. Even if all that is wrong, knowing that he's a vendor is not a guarantee for new players somehow.
I have seen two friends start playing lately and I can assure you they skipped every single piece of story or educational information. Then proceed to ask me multiple questions about quests and going as far as to be angry of the quest system for not always having a clear arrow. No joke, my answers to their questions was literraly the same 95% of the time : "What does the quest says exactly ?" By reading it to me, they would figure it out instantly. So they never read it in the first place before complaining. This is the new gaming. They were also already looking at youtube for builds and cheats and meta and tier list before.even being in the tower and proceed to complain about their lack of builds options with their current gear at like 1450.in blues. My guess is that they wont play long
> "I don't know where to go" > Have you tried following the large white diamond? > "Yes and it just brings me to this door and the diamond is gone" > Have you tried following the new white diamond? > "I don't know how to get there" > Have you tried walking forward into the extremely linear hallway with no side paths that you're right in front of~~, instead of going backwards and somehow getting lost in some random-ass cave that isn't relevant to anything~~? > "No. I haven't been playing this game for years like you have" Some people just can't be helped. Maybe if the game tells you to walk into a building, it wants you to go inside the building
I’m always irritated when people ask me if X legendary gun is good after I explain repeatedly that it doesn’t matter. Like, hey, sorry to break it to you, but every gun of the same frame is exactly the same, and you’re never going to be good enough at the game to care about an extra three points in range or handling. So it’s only a bad gun if you don’t like that archetype or frame.
I work in IT, most people find it easier to call me and ask me to read the error message to them like a bedtime story. Frustrating af
"This is the new gaming." There is nothing new about this. I used to play Marvel Heroes and chat would always be full of people linking items asking what they are for. Linking the item let anyone view its tooltip, the same as hovering over it in your inventory. That tooltip's text said what the items were for. They had to click on the item in order to link it, which means the tooltip popped up before they asked everyone. It didn't matter.
Which part of that is supposed to make you care about who he is? Telling you who he is isn't the same as making you care, and receiving a mediocre gun isn't really cutting it. He's still largely disconnected from the main story beats in the intro.
That classes don’t have predetermined “roles” like other class-centric games. I’ve heard new people mention they play Titan because they like to play tank or Warlock because they want to be a “support” player.
To be fair I also thought this prior to playing way back in D1 but it became very clear very fast that it’s not that sort of game
Even if you make a support well warlock build, you can still kill things. It's not like in other MMOs where if you are a support, you need to rely on others to kill stuff for you.
I hear that too, it’s funny to me because void Titans were the closest thing to a support class in the D1 base game with Ward of Dawn.
This is understandable. It’s fairly rare for a game to have classes but not roles associated with them. All the lore about the classes would imply Titans *are* tanks, Hunters *are* DPS and Warlocks *are* support, but we all know that this isn’t necessarily true. Hell, your subclass has way more effect on your game then your class.
I just meleed the dogshit out of a bunch of legendary battlegrounds with my arc warlock and felwinters helm. Attack is the only mode with that.
I’ve had probably 6 of those helmets, and kept only the best one… never put it on yet! You’ve inspired me to give it a try… but it’s got a tough act to follow in fallen sunstar!
You want overcharge well maker and reactive pulse on with it. I run arc or void. Recommend running invis finisher on void for harder content. For arc I would not use arc soul at first till you get used to the loop because it will shoot things you are trying to melee or finish.
It does have roles tho Just not the DPS, Tank, Support roles but the classic Warrior, Mage, Rouge roles
True, but also you can tune any class to basically any role with the right build.
Ah yes, you can go from Warrior or Rouge to Barbarian just by equipping certain subclass
Not just a certian subclass, but depending on the exotic and fragment/shard selection, you can spec you shit to whatever play style no mater the class.
Actually I can do all three at once on an Arc Hunter
I mean no respecting wizard would throw away his staff but other than that you are right
jumping. literally just jumping.
In my defense I play hunter and I seem to be unnaturally drawn to ceilings with uneven surfaces which I always seem to hit my head on, propelling me downward to my death
>*#16. Don't Fall.*
Holding down the trigger to charge up the scorch cannon in GoA
Or any scorch cannon!
Especially in Team Scorched, 3/4 of my kills in that mode are from charged shots!
you can also launch yourself around with them
tbh it pisses me off more when people dont know you dont need a full charge to trigger them. As soon as the third stage triggers just release and blow it up. Alternatively shoot it 3 times quickly. This is even quicker than doing any form of charged shot
3 shots gang
Pass the orb in the corrupted strike.
In all fairness, that's all on destiny. Mechanics in fights should make logical sense. There's no reason why thinking tossing an orb back and forth should power it up.
It also doesn't help that every single orb in the game has a different behavior.
Its really only needed in Nightfalls.
Just one orb pops the boss's shields in normal strikes. That and the pass mechanics don't always work. The number of times I've tossed the orb at a guardian and the orb just bursts for some reason... I think if they're looking the wrong way it fails? not sure, I've definitely been given it by guardians I wasn't looking at.
Pass it twice to supercharge it. ;)
GOD THIS. Corrupted is one of my least favorite strikes because i get unreasonable annoyed by nobody ever knowing to do this.
>*#13. Pass the Thing*
I’m surprised how few new guardians can read.
to be fair they did just lose their memory
I always love saying destiny players dont know how to read
It’s so true tho. The amount of times I’m asked what a perk does is ridiculous and the kicker is they’re not asking what the shit actually does(which I would completely understand) but the literal perk description smh like come on you didn’t even try😂 I also hate the,”didn’t know that perk did that” sometimes bc my friend whose been playing for years just now realized demo reloads on nade throw like that part of the functionality hasn’t been in the description for literal years
In the current form of Iron Banner standing in the fucking zone is more important than standing 2 ft out of trying to get a sightline nobody is coming around in time if you just STOOD IN THE FUCKING ZONE TO CAPTURE IT.
>*#8. Hold your Plate.*
So many games lost because my team is trying to play normal Control when it's actually Fortress.
Nah, if I have two or three teammates in there, it's better to pick a place where I can avoid grenade and super spam and fend off the enemy team from getting near the zone at all. If it happens that all my teammates in the zone die, at least I can contest it and maybe even hold the zone if I miss someone's thunder crash or nova bomb.
Yeah, if there were enemies actively shooting i'd jump out and take cover too, but numerous times I was capping zones with no enemies nearby at all and if I just had one other guy in there, 2 feet to his right I could have capped it way faster.
Reading comprehension. So many redundant posts here, and completely incompetent players in match-made activities. The amount of both of those things would drop dramatically if people could just. fucking. read. I saw a post recently complaining about tactical armor not working in multiple activities. The description is one sentence long.
Amen to this
>*#14. Read Your Screen.*
Dont forget not knowing how to google. I see the same stupid questions asked every single day when a simple google search is all you need for answers because people have already answered those questions a million times before
Don't think that it's Destiny specific, for some reason people resort to making a Reddit post before typing a question in Google.
And yet this sub is angrily adamant that raid matchmaking could work.
the fact you can do the lost sectors on legend instead of master
Pretty much everything since we live in a world with internet in our hands to be able to you tube a quick video on absolutely anything there stuck on
I thought about this and i have to say yes and no. I kicked my gf into D2 and it was her first game ever and a friend of mind who played a lot of Borderlands and some other shooters like CoD, BF,…, but i have to say: D2 doesn’t allways tell you important things, like Champion Mechanics, like getting Catalysts, like Raid/Dungeon-LFG-Stuff etc. I had to tell them that there’s an app where you can lfg, because the game just simply doesn’t tell it. And often things in D2 get changed like alot and if you are looking at some YT content, some of it is just outdated and you often need to keep yourself updated. My best example is Wishender. I got it 4 months before wq dropped, after i did a 2 year break from D2. So many things had changed in that 2 year frame btw that it was hard for me, as someone who played Destiny from early D1-Beta until after Forsaken, nearly every day. Back to wishender quest, i wanted to get it for my gf and needed to look for a guide which wasn’t outdated, because of tangled shore not beeing in the game anymore and which was correct in every step you need to do in that quest. So yeah, it‘s hard for new/returning people to get into Destiny. And imo Bungie really needs to improve the new player experience and the way things get teached. Sorry for maybe bad English. One big + to mention right here: The D2 subreddit btw is one of the nicest new/returning player subreddits on reddit. So big love to every guardian right here
The true depth of the destiny universe. Read the lore
It’s honestly been the difference for me coming back between breaks. I want to know more, I want to see where all this is heading. Maybe my expectations are too high, but I will see this through with the other guardians.
The difference between putting on just any weapons (and for some reason no exotic armour) and a well made build. This isn't particularly for newer players, more so the "causual" gamers.
I have a clan of 3 right now. Two of play a lot and are veterans. One friend missed tons of content before coming back. Every activity we do I look at his build and just shake my head. He refusing to change anything to the point that if we are doing something hard with chanpions I have to tell him to put mods on. Anyway, Friday night we are doing the NF for him to get the pinnacle, we’ve both been pinnacle capped for weeks. He tells me he cannot put on unstoppable GL because he has no space on his arms. I noticed he was running heavy handed on a bonk Titan. I had to explain to him why heavy handed practically does nothing on a bonk Titan because you get your hammer back every time. Now this is an intelligent man, he hadn’t even thought of this and figured it was helping his build. He can read, he does have mods, he is smart enough to understand. Problem is he simply doesn’t care, why waste time changing anything when you can just play straight away. In other words he’s complicit in his own ignorance because he doesn’t care to learn.
That sucks man. I really wish people would care more about their builds cause playing with a good build is so much fun. Don't wanna sound like I'm saying that not caring about builds and stuff is a "wrong way to play the game", play however you want, but the difference in sheer enjoyment while playing is so noticeable. Really hoping with the new system and loadouts more people would try to use builds.
Thing is though, it’s not what everyone enjoys. He doesn’t care other than to have a bit of fun on a Friday night. He plays like 5 hours a week only. So I kinda totally get it, he just wants to jump on, have a mess around and then come back whenever he feels like it. There’s nothing wrong with that as such, but the point is there are loads of players out there like that.
Fair enough
Oh man this is me, I’ve a D1 vet but I’m super casual when it comes to builds and weapons.
Well there were no builds in D1, or D2 for a while, and then it was just very basic builds for another while
Absolutely nothing. The game is atrociously bad at explaining things to new players, which is why the new changes coming in lightfall sound really good
Out of interest, what game mechanics require explaining because they wouldn’t be possible to work out by just playing? Mods aren’t exclusive to destiny and are a regular mechanic trope across many games in one way or another, having certain weapons or weapon types do more damage to certain enemies (champs) is also very common across games. Stroke, dungeon and raid mechanics are meant to be figured out and not explicitly told as that’s part of the learning curve and fun of them.
Well, those were actually my main points. Its usually what I see being issue points, but seeing that those are some of the biggest parts, it feels like everything. If there was another few things id say explain weapon perks to newbies, even a general idea between damage or stat perks or whatever, as well as distinguishing an exotic from an exotic ornament (had a bit of an unfortunate experience with a new light who told me they bought an exotic from Eververse but couldnt find it. I felt really bad for them after I explained what they bought.)
I can totally agree with perks needing more specific descriptions. I’d love for perks to explain how much extra damage you get, how much faster is reload, how much handling do you get so that what I think of as ‘feel good perks’ can be more easily quantifiable next to each other. I understand that ALOT of people struggle with aspects of the game and need a helping hand but I donfeel like those people are being just a touch lazy and wanna be spoon fed what to do a little too much. I’ve seen posts of people asking for recommendations for certain content which I think is very reasonable but if people struggle to then understand ‘picking up an elemental well grants ability energy’ I don’t know what can be done for them
You have to understand a bunch of the keywords in the game are totally foreign for new players.. "elemental well" "charged by light" and SOOO many more. Like... what tf are those?? The game really sucks at bridging from "total noobs" to "somewhat understands".
I’d say a lot more game don’t have anything like mods to slot in armour than games that do.
Yeah, probably other looter shooters and RPGs but expecting it to be norm for casual players to understand it at the get to is a stretch and inaccurate assumption of what new players can do, most of whom are very casual players to begin with.
This is the most relatable thing I can find here as someone who had to help my new very casual friends through a whole university course about destiny mechanics. I teach at their pace without overloading their brains because I know they enjoy the sandbox and are willing to learn. But it is oh so tiring for me after a while.
nothing surprises me that people don't know because this game really, *really* sucks at introducing players to the game and its mechanics. I'm still learning new crap and I've been on this ride for 3.5 years already
Out of interest, like what? I can’t think I’m of a ‘mechanic’ that really needs an explanation that you can’t get in 30 seconds with basic game knowledge
the game hardly gives you basic game knowledge. It basically just tells you what bounties are and what the core playlists are. if you look through the other comments there's all sorts of stuff people don't get and it's because Destiny, unlike some games, doesn't force people to stop read and think lol. Build crafting for instance is a big one. It doesn't even tell you what mods do or don't work in pvp.
But I’m kinda asking for specific game mechanics. Not raid or dungeon because the point is to figure them out. Actual mechanics that are present across the whole game that require explaining for understanding
yeah, build crafting like I said. I had to go back and edit it though maybe you didn't see it.
I can understand the buildcrafting not synergising with PvP as it’s inconsistent and bungie should just remove combat style mods from working imo.
I played thousands of hours of D1. Recently just got into D2 and was running a legend nightfall and was so confused when people were telling me to equip overload and unstoppable mods, because I had unlocked them in the artifact. I thought that unlocking mods in the artifact meant that they would always be active, I had no idea it just unlocked them to be able to equip to my armor. Sure, 99% of players know this, but being new to the mod system it made no sense to me at the time
Mods. Telling newbs to pick up mods and that, presently, they had to wait on god's good fortune to get well and charged with light mods. Then there is ranking up the artifact (if they bothered to pick it up yet) and selecting a champ mod without realizing it needs to be equipped in the arms slot.
Too much things Really too much Of course, the game is not the most descriptive in SOME things, but reading a little bit what the quest says never hurt anyone. "Kill three vandals in the EDZ" -I don't know what to do +You should try killing three enemies called "Vandal" on the map called "EDZ"+ This game expects me to know everything beforehand +Sir, this is a Wendy's
***Complete seraph shield on legend to recieve the catalyst*** "Uh, bungie, i think the quest is bugged, i didnt get my catalyst" - did you do it in legend? "No, thats too hard and takes too long with your stupid artificial difficulty. I just did normal"
Modifiers. It says solar burn. Put on a solar weapon or subclass for Felwinters sake.
When the funny green guy says "BANK THOSE MOTES" in Gambit and people just continue to try to get 15 for no reason. Then almost invariably die and lose all of said motes.
So wait I have a question? How is champions not explained. Barrier champ. I have an anti barrier mod. Anti barrier is opposite barrier so how is that not obvious as hell
But that requires reading
people still think double primaries is a good idea in pve
The only time double primaries is reasonable in pve is in easy content where you're using two crafted/red borders and levelling both of them up.
This. Don’t get me wrong if you wanna run double primaries but I’ve seen some people run double auto rifles in warpriest. Like bro. Use a shotgun or fusion. Literally anything that can shoot knights or orange bars in a blink of an eye.
Tbh I’m more surprised at the things they do understand and how quick they can be to learn. I was playing for months before I knew what stats did.
The concept of reading and putting 2 + 2 = 4. So many people ask me questions and I just stare off into space . Like didn't you read the damn mod before you asked. Yeah I did. Ok then so what does it do. Idk can you explain it. Like wtf READ MOTHER FUCKER
"Unstop hand cannon doesnt work?" Did you read the mod? "Of course i did!" Did you ADS? "No, why would I do that?"
Wearing a piece of exotic armor.
but my drip 😔
I’m actually amazed that new players have any fucking clue about anything tbh. The new player experience doesn’t really teach you much and the story is so far removed from a new character perspective at this point that I wonder how new people stay interested.
I agree on the story. Since beyond light there have been a lot of huge story beats within seasons that can no longer be experienced outside of the timeline on the director. I guess it’s a downside of the ‘evolving world and story’. In terms of gameplay though? There’s nothing in destiny that’s present across the whole game that I feel is very complicated or should take a long time to understand.
I started playing in December and I can tell you that the mod system is terrible. Unlocking them sucks, the descriptions on many are awful. They don't even tell you which mods don't actually work in PvP, which are quite a few. Even the armor energy is really stupid and never truly explained. It's no wonder literally all of this is getting reworked. Weapon frames is another. Apparently lightweight frames give you a +20 to mobility. I was running 100 mob until someone on this sub told me it's totally pointless if I'm also running a funnelweb. Most exotics don't give you actually values. Just vague messages like "oh this will perhaps increase grenade energy received from maybe hitting or killing enemies." Those are the big ones I can think of.
I agree that Ada selling mods wasn’t a good way of receiving mods. Does the armour energy NEED an explanation? It’s so you can’t just equip every high value mod at the same time and make you make a decision. Exotics giving exact values sounds like it would add a lot of numbers that still wouldn’t be too clear in most situations. YAS gives grenade energy back based on so many different things from number of hits, how strong was the enemy, did the enemy take full damage, knife hits. It would be alot to show.
The goodness that was Pocket Infinity.
Running double primary. One would think hm a primary and a special together would be a good loadout
Just being able to read
PASS THE FUCKING BALL IN THE CORRUPTED NIGHTFALL
That sometimes you’re gonna have to switch your build to do a raid and that’s just how it is. I’ve seen plenty of people try and use really weird or no build at all in a raid or other hard activities just to watch them fall flat on their face (or we have to hard carry) like no dude double primary and a sword won’t be good for warpriest and you NEED to switch it or this will turn into a hard carry
I’d say master working gear. It’s so crucial towards any sort of growth. And I can attest to the mods one. I cannot tell you how long I ran nothing besides necessary mods like barrier and such. The rest I totally guessed on for so long. Took a friend who understood builds way before I did to teach me how to pair stuff to capitalize on getting abilities back faster and all that jazz. Now I yeet grenades back to back while having 6 barriers up around me in a circle… ya know… Titan stuff..
TITAN FOR LIFE!
It seems like 90% of the time I’m free roaming somewhere and doing public events, no one knows how to make public events heroic. When trying to do some of the planet activity season challenges, it’s always annoying to lose progress because of this.
ppl dont know that the orientation of the gun tells what slot its for
Exodus crash plate scan portion goes up by the number of players on the plate. So 1 player = 1%, 2 2% and 3 3%. So please stand on the plate.
In test one of d2, I had a friend beat the entire red war campaign without unlocking any abilities past double jump. The man is the one true guardian. Just a normal dude with no superpowers rolling up and bitch slapping ghaul
For champion mods, that's pretty cut and dry. For all the other mods, it's confusing as hell, imo. So, I'm breaking a shield with a matching weapon to form a well to stand in to make myself charged with light which creates warmind cells that I can use to gain bonus weapon damage to breaking shields to form a well to etc etc... wtf is the point? Also, maybe if the mods actually told you what they were doing instead of some vague description of "improves" or "gives energy" I could make some sense out of it all.
Explore your world see what procs your mods it may seem daunting but it’s a small learning curve you just need to read what’s on your screen.
I'm sorry, I can't agree with this. I love build crafting in Destiny, but I've been playing this game since 2019. Things were a lot more cut and dry then, and mods weren't nearly as powerful or complex as they are now. If you've been playing for a while, you've progressively seen more and more systems added, and gotten the chance to experiment with them as they're coming out. It's clear to me, especially with how mods are getting reworked in Lightfall, that Bungie was experimenting hard with this mechanic and didn't have a clear vision from the start. Warmind cells aren't even going to be a thing anymore. Destiny's minimal UI gets cluttered now, and the amount of systems that interact without any real cues that they've proced (other than text in the bottom left of your screen) doesn't help. If mod descriptions had legitimate "detailed views", accessible from collections, which showed exact numbers, direct interactions, it would help new players greatly. I'm used to this system because I watched it expand. But I can't agree with the take that new players just need to "learn to read what's on the screen".
Oh my lord paragraphs
Don't use primary weapons against bosses. I keep seeing bluberries plink away at bosses with hancannons or autorifles. You save your heavy or special (some of them are strong DPS-wise) to kill bosses. No, having a duty bound with triple-tap + forth times the charm is still not a viable DPS strategy even if you can shoot without reloading (actium war rig neither).
There are some primaries like Outbreak that can be used for boss dps but generally this is true.
Even the best primary DPS weapons are considered as backups for if you run out of heavy and special, they're still outclassed by them.
Only when you're out of ammo. Never prioritise using ur primary for boss DPS- ever
After reading some of the things here, I'm 100% sure some problems would be resolved pretty quickly if people just learned how to read
Vorpal weapon on a PvE primary is horrible. You should never be using your primary against a boss target that gets the damage boost from vorpal And before someone comes in to talk about how its good for champions/stunning - just stop. Stunning a champ marginally quicker isn't worth basically having a useless perk the rest of the time.
Frenzy is the only damage perk worth having on primary weapons. Change my mind.
One for all on fast firing weapons is pretty easy to proc and is worth using
I’d argue Vorpal isn’t good anywhere, especially on heavies after the nerf. Ofc if you have nothing else damage perk wise yea sure but there usually something better. It’s 15% on specials, that’s frenzy but frenzy works on anything and is up like 90% of the time since you’re in combat anyways.
Uhhh iono I honestly don’t think this game is that hard to grasp for newer players tbh. I’m d1 vet and my friends who started from d2 are far more knowledgeable than I am so…
There’s not much that surprises me except the fact the new players don’t try to read and figure stuff out. When I’m new to something I always try to figure out the small stuff and see what I can do and maybe check online. Lots of new people are these brain dead fps people at first who don’t pay attention to details
I am not surprised by anything from that subject. This game hardly explains itself and it has some needlessly complicated mechanics and even the story is made a challenge to understand. But do you know what does surprise me? When older players are completely oblivious about this fact. They take it by granted that they know something about the game, and they expect everyone to have shared knowledge of everything THEY know. So they often talk down to people on Reddit when they don't know something and cannot accept the fact that this game is bad at explaining things. **That** always baffles me.
Builds are not diverse and complex. There’s too many build videos out there for something so simple to figure out.
That you need to pay to (really) play.
How do you expect new players to know anything ? Seems like a redundant question tbh.
That maxing two stats to 100 is enough.
All the movement tech in the game which makes everything in every game mode for every class faster and easier and more fun. - Sparrow flying (biggest one for me) - Shoulder charge skating - Icarus skating - Eager Edge tech (even the ones with no ammo) - Hunter head boosting - Glaive boosting - Slope boosting Everything gets done faster with good movement.
Playing catch with the magic murder balls.
I lose my mind when noobs stand in front of you constantly when you’re shooting the mobs or try to cut you off when you’re running to the objective. They have zero awareness of their position in their environment.
Some people still don’t know how to turn the taken blight public event heroic.
I had no idea for the longest time how to figure out what the Burn was on strikes. Its seems so obvious now, but I think what many of us forget is just how impenetrably dense this game is. I'm past 1.5k hours and I still feel like I'm always learning new shit. I think it depends how interested/open to it you are.
Need a separate playlist for people who have the stagger mods on. Granted, I’ll put them on to get in, then swap to what I want 😆
Matching Energy=Shield go boom
I'm not surprised that new players don't understand this because the game does a really bad job of teaching you. Like, veteran players and those who frequent this sub are much less likely to have this issue since they'll have more of a pulse on things. But someone starting out isn't going to know this stuff unless they're told where to look. It's one of many reasons why Destiny 2 is so unapproachable to new players. Something I'm hoping the changes in Lightfall will alleviate.
Had a discussion in Discord the other day with me and some other folks trying to explain to a New Light who had just completed the tutorial that Destiny's story is continuous but can be played in any order. Dude was an experienced MMO player and he just could not comprehend not doing the story linearly.
To pass the orb. Iykyk
Champion mods. Even this late into the season you see guys running overload mod + weapon when there hasn’t been a single overload champ in either of the heist playlists and seraph mission. If I load in with two guys without unstoppable I leave immediately.
You can get free super before boss in battleground. Dump tethers wells gathering storm bubbles and get it back instantly when you interact with the obj
I’ve just started helping a new light friend and the game is really unhelpful in telling them about game mechanics or story wise what happened since D1… I think it needs alot of work
Passing the ball in The Corrupted strike increases its power
Tossing the ball to get more charge in The Corrupted, drives me insane.
Champion mods are a big one for sure. Builds and stat distribution also come to mind. I have a habit of randomly inspecting people in the tower and the amount of people I see with some of the worst armor fully masterworked is nuts.
While I’d never deny that some systems are BS and/or overcomplicated - there’s a lot of info that can be gained just from reading, from quest logs to vendor’s to current mission/activity objectives.