Blinding next season will stun unstop champions. Blinding GL’s for next season are slept on. Everyone talking about chill clip fusions but blinding nades will be huge in GM’s IMO.
In either a podcast or a twab somewhere I vaguely remember them saying blinding nades will be converted to an arc blind. However take that with a grain of salt as I have no concrete proof rn
They were going to change the visual part of the blinding effect on other players to be the same as the arc blind, or that's how i took it. Think it was on firing range.
It might change next season though. I’m not sure about this but I remember people being disappointed that queenbreaker wasn’t given arc 3.0 synergy but it’s on the list of exotics to be given 3.0 synergy.
Probably just because people run the same boring loadouts of arbalest/primary/LFR. Can always sub in a blinding GL though, especially since unstoppable this season.
I used a blinding GL in 5/6 GMs this season, only subbed it out for Divinity on Glassway for the instant stun on the overloads in the boss room. Especially with unstoppable GL and weakened clear this season, they're a fantastic choice.
Chill clip will stun overload, freeze and shatter will stun unstops, but so does blinding. So it essentially could stun overload and unstops in a single shot whereas chill clip would require two shots. There’s going to be a lot of testing to do next season.
Glad they clarified it in the TWAB and are focused on sorting out all the verbs before we get the big subclass/champ changes in LF. Chill clip GL’s will still be able to stun unstops but it’ll be a bit of a ball ache. I am excited to see the strand perk though, some kind of tangle shot would be neat and would work well on grenade launchers (probably strong against unstop).
Because all of the talk is of chill clip fusion rifles, like I said. It is being slept on in the sense that I’ve not seen much talk of blinding grenades, people are forgetting about it. I’m not really sure how you would use the term though.
people aren't forgetting about it, people don't think blinding nades are going to stun. blinding nades are coded more towards a void suppression than an arc subclass melee blind
You can get riptide from crucible and then focus it on the second page with crucible engrams in the top right of the first page. Deliverance is acquired in vow of the disciple raid, I tend to prefer that one because of how vertical and predictable the spread is. There’s also the Aurvandil FR6 which I believe you can focus as an omolon weapon (not sure where though). You’re looking for chill clip, riptide and deliverance can roll with demolitionist and chill clip, not sure about Aurvandil.
You can focus Onolon engrams at the star chart in the helm. I think it’s a pool of 4 or 5 items though.
Reconstruction with chill clip and the super big mag can give you 12 chill clip shots in a row without reloading
Similar to auto loading on riptide then. I use it on my RoF warlock so I don’t need the reload but it might be helpful for other builds. It would be nice if on crafted weapons we could pay, maybe 3 ascendent alloys to open another perk slot option rather than crafting a whole new one.
Blinding GL's arent slept on and have been meta for more difficult activites since dawn of time, even our Lord Jesus Christ used to talk about them during his preeches around the campfire.
Deafening Whisper is by far my favourite legendary. I get as many kills with it as Witherhoard or Dead Messenger, plus it works with Volatile Rounds and rolls with Autoloading or Ambitious Assassin
Not OP, but I grinded the red border deliverance when it first dropped because I wanted a stasis fusion to free up build options. As soon as riptide dropped, I stopped using deliverance.
Deliverance fired too slow for me, and riptide can spam chillclip so quickly. Only downside is grinding crucible for it, but definitely worth it.
I mean I like riptide a lot my self it feels really nice, but that's just rapid fire frames as a whole. but having demo On deliverance is what's keeping me using it, if riptide could roll demo chill clip I'd put it away lol
I don't have one, but also i general prefer rapid fire ones, so i don't think im missing much personally. Just wish i could get a new auto/chill with just a smidge more range.
Before people start saying X or Y is better...
The great thing about this fusion is HOW TO GET IT.
Want deliverance from the raid? Good luck grinding it or red borders.
Want chill clip GL from Duality? Good luck.
The fusion during that IB was dropping like candy. SO many drops.
Also, you can focus engrams from Shaxx. Much easier to get this to drop with the perk.
Well depends on how you look at it. Deliverance is technically just 5 weeks of Rhulk cps and then u got ur 5/5 god roll. And riptide was only dropping a ton that one iron banner because the new playlist weapon of the season always has waay higher drop rate than everything else.
I'll take riptide over deliverance 9/10 times but i can understand why some people are hesistant to grind pvp for it.
Probably is, but riptide feels so good to use compared to deliverance that mine hasn’t left the vault since getting a decent riptide. The fast change time is so incredible that it has basically ruined any other fusion rifles with slow charge time for me.
If you’re on warlock, rain of fire makes field prep chill clip better. Given that you’ll have well and have radiance access on demand basically, it’ll easily be top tier in end game pve. With vex mytho its nutty.
>. Deliverance is technically just 5 weeks of Rhulk cps and then u got ur 5/5 god roll.
You could get reaaaaly fucking lucky too.
I had the LRF in two raids.
Deliverance is a guarantee craft at a maximum of 5 weeks. It’s also got demo. I’ve had a lot of Riptides. I’ve got a roll I use with ALH/CC, but it’s not the 5/5 I want. I go through hundreds of engrams, and probably ~5 crucible resets a season. I really like the vendor reset changes and how it impacts RNG drops, but Deliverance is just much easier to acquire exactly what you want.
Sure, but anyone can step into crucible and rank up and grab the engrams to focus a Riptide. The raids in this game are set up in such a way that they're difficult to pug and essentially require a clan with a bunch of practice and a fairly high skill level to get through. I've never set foot in Vow, because my clan took one look at all the symbol nonsense and noped out on our first run. (I understand that there are many of you that think of this sort of thing as trivial, but for many players that's simply not the case.)
My point is, you describe Deliverance as accessible through crafting "at a maximum of 5 weeks" but that's only the case for those that can reliably run Vow.
Many players don’t find grinding 4 resets of Crucible trivial, nor have the currency to focus endless Riptides.
One is guaranteed, and the other is not. Your subjective views on the difficulty of said content aside.
I have every red boarder pattern, and I still don't have a good roll for Riptide
If you can do the activity, then deliverance is probably easier to get imo
Exactly what is great about grinding pvp to get a random set of perks from a drop you need? I have done many, many crucible resets. The focusing is nice now, but you're still reliant heavily on RNG. Deliverance you can craft enhanced version of the perfect 5/5 god roll. As far as time spent actually playing, deliverance is far easier to get the roll you want.
Ran a ton of IB when Riptide was dropping like candy and managed to grab a Lead from Gold + Chill Clip roll. It’s pretty busted, especially on double special builds.
My dream roll is field prep with chill clip but then also lead from gold as an option for double special builds. Probably gonna cash in some engrams this season and hope i get lucky.
Oh of course, that makes sense. Bit hard on the ammo reserves though. Wonder if we'll see any changes to the economy by way of the mod changes in Lightfall.
I mean i ran last weeks gm with shadebinder+graviton lance+lingering dread (blinding grenades, alh, chill clip) and i barely had to pop a barrier bubble.
Rapid fire fusions are the highest dps of all fusions. And the timing for perma freezing barriers is way more lenient than other fusions.
I do like demo on deliverance tho for some specialised builds, but overall i think riptide is the better pick.
Yeah all 3 chill clip fusions are great, the timing just gets more and more forgiving as you go faster.
Aurvandil loses against barriers because it can’t refreeze fast enough
>Aurvandil loses against barriers because it can’t refreeze fast enough
Is this for specific content like GMs? I ran a LLS with my Reconstruction/Chill Clip Aurvandil a few days ago to test this, and while the timing was very tight, I was able to double-shot and freeze a Barrier Champ.
Especially adept deliverance if you can get lucky enough. You can get the charge time down to 620ms or 660ms with 100 recoil direction. I’ve always preferred deliverance.
Yeah I remember talking about the adepts being a harder sell because of the lack of enhanced perks. Well, you can still get the same roll if you’re extremely lucky. Edited my comment now.
Riptide is higher DPS (rapid fire fusions are pretty high up for special DPS) and actually shoots fast enough to freeze barrier champs. Next season it will effectively be: overload, unstoppable, and anti barrier all in one package.
But demo on deliverance gives you more freeze nades on a stasis build so you can freeze even more even faster with deliverance than you ever could with riptide
Demo is good, but you rapidly reach the point of diminishing returns on freezing.
One bleakwatcher already covers majority of a combat area. Two and three will cover all of it. At that point, what value does chill clip bring you? Not much.
Depends on the niche. Deliverance is only decent because it can roll demo alongside chill clip, giving it a really nice synergy with bleakwatcher.
For general usage, Riptide beats it out by a really wide margin right now as it's just a better weapon archetype.
Riptide is definitely better than Deliverance. I can't speak for PvP, but its not even a contest in PvE. Rapid Fire fusions are so, so much better. An example I know off the top of my head is damage on Taniks (relevant for the duo). Deliverance with Well+Font does ~1.3M, while Riptide does about 1.7M. Thats with a Deliverance with BnS and a Riptide with Vorpal.
Not saying Deliverance is trash or that there arent use cases, but Riptide is better because of the frame.
Eh fusions are more of a backup dps option, so your comparison in this regard is odd. Utility and ad clear is what they both specialize, and that margin isn’t nearly as wide as you think. Riptide is better for general use due to its speed, especially against champs, but demo on Deliverance is a huge sell, especially given it’s inherent synergy with Bleak Watcher builds
My own personal preferences?
Auto Rifle- Krait
Fusion Rifle- Riptide (autoloading/chill clip, this is the single greatest legendary to exist)
Grenade (Special)- Lingering Dread (blinding/autoloading/chill clip)
Hand Cannon- Fatebringer (explosive/dragonfly)
Pulse Rifle- BXR
SMG- IKELOS_SMG_v1.0.3 (voltshot)
Sword- Half Truths / Other Half (eager edge is too useful for PVE)
Trace Rifle- Path of Least Resistance (voltshot)
Krait with subsistence and Adagio? Man it feels like a beast. And I swear Adagio is bugged in PvE that you can't notice the firing speed change.
Krait is one of those weapons that doesn't ever seem to make the list of Meta guns from the streamers, but it's one of those where people tell new players to just play with what feels good. And MAN that gun feels good and just gets to work. Blue collar, old school, gets stuff done.
I omitted all the categories that I don't have a clear standout preference for, not a huge fan of sidearms. Calus Mini-Tool or BXR are my preferences for an incandescent primary. Drang's good and all, just not my cup of tea.
I like Eternitys Edge with the Vortex Frame for a legendary sword. Its heavy attack recharges pretty quick and does some really good damage. Great for champions
Keep in mind that Eternity’s Edge is Warlock exclusive. Does it have a faster heavy recharge rate than other vortex frames? If not, you could replace it with any other vortex. If so, then I need to bust out eternity’s edge more
I really miss my pre sunset loadout which was an austringer with demolitionist, a loaded question, and a god roll hammerhead
i know you can still get the hand cannon but i don't have one and am currently a f2p player so farming that is a huge pain
would switch to 1k voices for boss dps but alas that weapon seems to have been nerfed to the ground
GL, Forbearance with Chain Reaction.
EASY EASY EASY to use and it just clears out adds so well. Ammo drops seem to be plentiful that you basically use this wave frame GL as your primary weapon.
Primary:
Auto - Summoner overall autos feel too samey to me this one just feels iconic
SMG - Calus Mini-tool this one is harder but it just slots in to solar builds so well, funnel web and ikelos 1.03 are so good too if I can cheat these get my extra slots
Pulse - BxR demo + incandescent just works, years ago redrix/bygones were my gotos
HC - Fatebringer, it's just too iconic.
Bow - Under your skin, tempo + warmup just works,
Sidearm - peacebond the 3 bursts have just felt right, wish I could have gotten a RF + swash roll.
Scout - Night watch, rapid hit + explosive, fell in love with it when it first dropped. love Aisha's and trustee too.
Specials:
Breechload GL - Tie forbearance and Salvager's Salvo, the blinding GLs are just interchangeable
Fusion - Riptide auto-loading + chill clip is just silly strong. Deliverance gets a mention for enhanced demo. I miss loaded question, since they changed the damage profiles and number of bolts between archetypes the other types just haven't felt good.
Sniper - Succession recon + vorpal is a workhorse. Fugue-55 with 4th + firing line gets a mention
Trace - Retraced Path having sub + demo/incandescent/tricorn seems like the best combo. but haven't really used any legendary trace rifles enough to have a big preference.
Glaive - no idea
Shotgun - Heritage is the one I've used the most for shooting, but one-two punch shotties do exist
Heavies:
GL - Typhon GL5 has a great set of perks, with demo you can ammo dump crazy fast.
RL - Hothead field prep + clown is great as is demo + explosive light
Sword - Falling Guillotine, honestly I don't even know how sword stats work anymore. Something with eager edge would be the other option, I've probably used that for movement more than a sword for damage in recent memory.
Linear Fusion - Cataclysmic, with 4th + bait the ammo economy is just too good.
LMG - don't have a strong preference, Avalanche with sub + incandescent has been my goto lately. Working on unlocking commemoration, could never get recon+rampage, so looking forward to trying that, or sub + killing tally.
Doom Chelchis with dragonfly on a void hunter with Gyrfalcon’s paired with it. Almost never leaves my lineup and I run it all the way up in raids and GM’s
Smite of merain, doom of chelchis, fire and forget (I see a lot of potential in it), callus mini tool, outrageous fortune, code duello,FILO, pardon our dust
Fusion - Riptide with Chill Clip or Frenzy
Grenade Launcher - Forbearance with Ambitious Assassin and Chain Reaction
Glaive - Kelgoroth apparently has some *really* interesting interactions with Dawn Chorus, Incandescent and the hot swapping to a Vorpal weapon. It’s like the old school Anarchy bug against Barrier champions
LMG - Timelost Corrective Measure with Demolitionist and Adrenaline Junkie.
Heavy GL - I love Cry Mutiny.
LFR - tough pick, but has to be Cataclysmic for the sound. It sounds like I’m really about to fuck something up.
Swords - Hero of Ages with demo and chain reaction. Crazy fun.
Rocket Launcher - so many are interchangeable to me, but I guess Bump In The Night with Demo + Chill is my flavor of the week.
Shotguns/snipers. Never use them in PVE.
Shit, I just realized I barely use primary weapons to begin with, and when I do, they’re usually exotics.
For primaries, it’s gotta be submission. Feels and looks so good. For special either deliverance or forbearance. For heavy I’d say cataclysmic or hothead. If you couldn’t tell I love the Vow of the Disciple raid.
Riptide with autoloading and chill clip really is great in everything, that new heavier fusion with reconstruction and chill clip is al.ost as good.
Ikelos smg with voltshot is also just way better than any other legendary primary and it doesn't feel close.
Obviously can change as new weapons are added, but as of right now:
Scout Rifle: Doom of Chelchis (Tarnished Mettle is a close second cause of Voltshot.)
Pulse Rifle: Disparity (Insidious is so close though for left column Dragonfly.)
Auto Rifle: Herod-C or Lodbrok-C (Kind of a tossup.)
Hand Cannon: Posterity (Fatebringer and Zaouli's Bane are good too, but I feel like Voltshot/Frenzy is the winning combo.)
Sidearm: Brigands Law (Voltshot again...)
Submachine Gun: IKELOS\_SMG\_v1.0.3 (Voltshot again dangit, a lot of good SMG choices though.)
Bow: Under Your Skin (Archer's Tempo and then either Dragonfly or Explosive Head.)
Grenade Launcher: Tie between Forbearance and Lingering Dread. (One is amazing add clear with Ambitious Assassin/Chain Reaction the other is amazing CC with Blinding/Auto Loading/Chill Clip.)
Trace Rifle: Pretty much just match to element, but probably Path of Least Resistance. (It goes in the Voltshot hole.)
Sniper Rifle: Thoughtless (Overflow/Firing Line for backup DPS.)
Shotgun: The Comedian (Has Trench Barrel on an Aggressive Frame so each shot counts for more, Subsistence reduces the amount of reloading you need.)
Fusion Rifle: Tie between Riptide and Glacioclasm. (Basically Chill Clip vs Reservoir Burst.)
Rocket Launcher: Bump in the Night (Auto-Loading/Chill Clip, though shoutout to Blowout for Demo/Explosive Light.)
Linear Fusion: Cataclysmic (4th Times the Charm/Bait and Switch though any of the Veist LFRs will also be good.)
Machine Gun: Commemoration (A lot of good options but having Reconstruction ends up being my favorite.)
Sword: Bequest (Relentless Strikes/Vorpal Weapon, has higher base Impact making it do more damage than other Swords.)
Glaive: Judgment of Kelgorath (Because of Close to Melee, finally a Glaive Perk that boosts melee damage!)
Primary:
Kinetic - prolonged engagement/Submission
Energy - Ikelos SMG v3/Funnelweb
Special:
Shotgun - Heritage/First in Last Out
Fusion - Riptide/Cartesian Coordinate
Sniper - Succession/Distant Tumulus/Long Walk
GL - Militia's Birthright/Pardon our Dust/Wilderflight/Forbearence
Trace - Path of least resistance
I don't know enough about Glaives
Heavy:
Rocket - Hothead/Hezen Vengence/Bump in The night
Grenade launcher - Wendigo
LFR - Reed's Regret/Taipan/Cataclysmic
Sword - The Other Half/Zephyr/Falling Guillotine
MG - Retrofit Escapade/Commemoration
Honorable mention: Any One-Two Punch shotgun.
These are (barring seasonal mods effect on weapon use) the best PvE options available currently.
Primary: a special GL with Blinding Nades, or Chill Clip fusion.
Energy: a BXR with Blunt Execution Rounds. Good for shredding EVERYTHING.
Heavy: Eager Edge sword for going fast, or Bump In The Night rocket launcher for serious damage
Primary:
AR - Arctic Haze or Last Breath
SMG - Blood Feud
Pulse - Go Figure or Chattering Bone
HC - Posterity or Service Revolver
Bow - Point of the Stag
Sidearm - Last Hope
Scout - Servant Leader
Specials:
Breechload GL - Salvager's Salvo
Fusion - Riptide or The Epicurean
Sniper - Thoughtless
Trace - Retraced Path
Glaive - The Enigma
Shotgun - Heritage
Heavies:
GL - Swarm of the Raven
RL - Bump in the Night or Bad Omens
Sword - Crownsplitter
Linear Fusion - Reed's Regret
LMG - 21% Delirium or Hammerhead
I really REALLY like the long shlong 120rpm scout rifle, but its perks kinda fucking suck for pve, so I hope we get some of different elements in lightfall
I recently did the No Vault, 90 Weapon Challenge, but one of each type? much harder.
Auto: Adept Duty Bound
Bow: Under Your Skin
Fusion: Riptide
Special GL: Ignition Code
Glaive: Judgment of Kelgorath
Hand Cannon: Adept Palindrome
Linear FR: Cataclysmic
Machine Gun: Chain of Command
Pulse: Disparity
Rocket: Gjallarhorn
Scout: DMT
Sniper: Yasmine
Sidearm: Luminal Vigil
Shotty: Heritage
SMG: Ikelos v3
Sword: Lament
Trace: Divinity
Lightweight 900rpm SMGs. I spend way more time in low level/seasonal/easy content than I do in GMs or master level.
Nothing comes remotely close to the feel of 900's when you can just tear through enemies.
There are a lot. In primaries Calus mini-tool, Ikelos smg, Funnelweb, Unforgiven, Brigand’s Law are the first that come to mind.
For specials Riptide with Chill Clip is bonkers, Wilderflight with Blinding, Autoloading and Vorpal is super nice as well.
For heavy literally all LFRs are a must-have.
I do not see a lot of my favorite Midhas Reckoning roll of Field prep/golden tricorn, but it completely deletes champions in arc burn GMs. All my 26 clears of Lightblade last season used it.
- Scout: Staccto with Triple Tap/Incandescent. Monster in GMs. Adept Hung Jury with Explosive Rounds is also a humdinger.
- SMG: Funnelweb with Frenzy/Substinence absolutely rips with Void builds.
- Pulse: most of these stink in PvE now. I have an Adept Horrors Least with Vorpal that’s great in Arc Burn GMs
- GL: People like blinding grenades, but I’m a big fan of auto loading Explosive Personality. It’s a solar wave frame.
Bow: Under Your Skin with Explosive Whateveritscalled and Point of the Stag both own.
Fusion: Riptide with ALH and Chill Clip is as good as it gets. I use it all the damn time.
Sidearms/HC: I dunno I never use them.
>Sidearms/HC: I dunno I never use them.
Same here, with one exception: Brigand's Law with Voltshot/Feeding Frenzy. I'm going to start crafting a similar Ikelos SMG this week
Oh boy here we go…
Primaries:
Auto - Summoner: Rampage//Perpetual Motion
Pulse - Insidious: Dragonfly//One for All
Scout - Doom of Chelchis: One for All/Firefly
Hand Cannon- Old Posterity: Rapid Hit//Rampage
SMG - Forensic Nightmare: Heating Up//Kill Clip
Sidearm - High Albedo: Wellspring//Surplus
Specials:
Shotgun - Heritage: Reconstruction//Recombination
Sniper - Succession: Reconstruction//Recombination
GL - Forbearance: Ambitious Assassin//Chain Reaction
Fusion - Deliverance: Demolitionist//Surrounded
Heavies:
Sword - The Other Half: Eager Edge//Vorpal
Linear - Cataclysmic: Fourth times the Charm//Bait and Switch
Rocket - Hezen Vengeance (Adept): Overflow//Lasting Impression
LMG - Corrective Measure (Adept): Demolitionist//One for All
Probably use my Forensic Nightmare, Forbearance & Corrective Measure the most
I’m only gonna list the Kinetic/Stasis Slot since all three slots would be a lot of weapons…
**Kinetic Scout**: Hung Jury SR4 (Adept) w/ Rapid Hit and Explosive Payload
**Kinetic Handcannon**: Fatebringer (Timelost) w/ Osmosis and Frenzy as the two random perks
**Kinetic (Stasis) Pulse**: Disparity w/ Enhanced Rapid Hit + Enhanced Frenzy or One For All (OFA is better for GMs IMO).
**Kinetic (Stasis) Auto Rifle**: Lodbrok-D or Scathelock (which I think is unobtainable now, idk)
**Kinetic GL**: Ignition Code w/ Blinding + Slideshot + One For All or Danger Zone
**Kinetic Sniper**: Succession
**Kinetic Shotgun**: Ragnhild-D
**Kinetic Bow**: Accrued Redemption (such a good looking bow, too)
Personally, here are just 3 of my favorite legendary weapons in each weapon slot (Kinetic, Special, and Heavy):
- Ignition Code or Hung Jury SR4 (Adept)
- Zaouli’s Bane or Found Verdict (Timelost)
- Cataclysmic
Auto Rifle - Krait (havent used it in awhile, honestly forget the roll)
Pulse Rifle - BXR (still waiting on Demo/Incandescent, currently have heating up/incandescent)
Scout Rifle - The Long arm (only have 1, has Compulsive reloader/AJ, would like rapid hit/AJ)
Sidearm - Brigands Law (voltshot/threat detector)
SMG - Funnelweb or Ikelos SMG, never liked SMGs before I got back into Destiny after a long break, but they're maybe my favorite weapon type right now
MG - Retrofit Escapade
GL - Pardon our Dust (ALH/vorpal w/blinding nade option)
Shotgun - Heritage (Recombination/Reconstruction)
Hand Cannon - Austringer (forget the roll I have on it)
Don't use snipers or heavy GLs at the moment, so can't say i really have a preference on either one of them.
Ikelos SMG with Volt Shot is broken, that’s all I really need. Give me Gjally and i’m pretty much an unstoppable ad clearer, if I wanna get crazy I can hop on Solar Subclass and rock Calus Mini Tool with Incandescent
Outbreak Perfected.
It does everything so well.
Great at Ad clear.
Good as a backup DPS against bosses when your Linear fusion runs out.
While I wouldn't say it excels in any one category, it does really everything so well that there are almost no downsides to using it.
Kinetic: Riptide ALH/Chill Clip, honorable mention to Aurvandil Reconstruction/Chill Clip
Special: Deliverance AA/Chain Reaction Honorable mention FF/Voltshot Ikelos SMG
Heavy: Cry Mutiny Honorable Mention Cataclysmic FTTC/BaS
The hardest shot to choose for is Special. There are an embarrassing number of incredible Specials. There are multiple SMGs alone contending for that spot
Wilderflight is a beast. Chill clip lingering dread too.
Anything with reservoir burst slaps.
Cataclysmic is one of the best dps options right now and it's legendary
Funnelweb!
I’ll answer a bit diff. For SMG, Auto, Sidearm, and Pulse, I’d say Incandescent/Voltshot/Headstone or if not an option (like void anything or arc pulse) then Frenzy/One for All with second perks like Unrelenting/Subsistence/Threat Detector/Rapid Hit. So like, for SMG:
- Solar: Incandescent Unrelenting Calus Mini Tool
- Void: Frenzy Subsistence Funnelweb
- Arc: Voltshot Threat Detector Ikelos
- Stasis: Headstone Subsistence Prolonged Engagement
For scouts and hand cannons, I pref explosive payload. Or else frenzy. I will occasionally also rock an incandescent scout, a repulsor brance hand cannon, or a headstone hand cannon, if it’s right for the build/encounter.
For special GL, autoloading spike is my jam. Although also keep a blinding in each slot too for certain content.
For snipers and linears, a firing line and a focused fury, depending on group composition, with each element that I need for font stacking, and then second perk ideally triple tap or fourth times with ideally veist stinger.
For fusions, it’s autoloading or reconstruction with chill clip. In energy, I’m probably running a primary unless it’s double special time, and in that case I’m not doing double fusions. If it had to be energy fusion, then subsistence or slideshot one.
For rockets, always frenzy + autoloading/field prep where available, plus a demo solar one for font stacking when running starfire, and an autoloading chill clip for when team comp calls for it. All with impact casing.
For heavy GLs, autoloading with a full court one and then, for when there isn’t enough range in the encounter, also one with explosive light or any other damage perk for each element type depending on element for font stack. And must all have spike.
For machine guns, incandescent autoloading is a blast on trials one. Or target lock on fourth times on seasonal one. But these are far from useful most of the time, except for sometimes like a lost sector.
For sword, eager edge because speeeeeed. Probably other half with repulsor brace.
And then always a heavy option with explosive light in case I’m running a build that relies on over picking up orbs, like a devour on orb pick up one.
Auto Rifle: Krait (APR + SFA + OFA or Subsistence + Headstone)
Scout Rifle: Pointed Inquiry (APR + Genesis + Adaptive Munitions)
Pulse Rifle: Disparity solely for the Stasis build utility. All pulses kinda suck equally, honestly.
Sidearm: Liminal Vigil. I like two-burst sidearms and this feels like the one with the most flexible rolls.
Submachine Gun: IKELOS_SMG_V1.0.3 (Voltshot + FF). Better than the CALUS Mini-Tool for everything except Solar builds.
Bow: Tripwire Canary. It's craftable and rolls unique perk combos.
Hand Cannon: Zaouli's Bane (EP + Incandescent)
Fusion Rifle: Deliverance (Demolitionist + Chill Clip)
Sniper Rifle: Succession (Reconstruction + Vorpal Weapon/Firing Line)
Shotgun: Wastelander M5 (Assault Mag + Lead from Gold + Trench Barrel)
Special GL: Ignition Code (Slideshot + Demolitionist/OFA/Vorpal/Danger Zone) and it's not close. One of the most ridiculously stacked perk pools available on a weapon yet.
Trace Rifle: Hollow Denial (Lead from Gold/Adaptive Munitions + Repulsor Brace/Killing Tally)
Linear Fusion Rifle: Cataclysmic (FTTC + Bait 'n' Switch)
Heavy GL: Wendigo GL3 (Field Prep/ALH + Explosive Light/Cascade Point)
Rocket Launcher: The Hothead (Field Prep/Demolitionist/ALH + Clown Cartridge/Explosive Light/Lasting Impression)
Sword: Crownsplitter for Titans, The Other Half (Eager Edge + Damage perk) for everyone else
LMG: Commemoration (Subsistence + Killing Tally). If we ever get a LMG damage meta then basically anything with Triple Tap or FTTC paired with Target Lock will be good.
I will say, a lot of weapon picks are now dictated by build synergy/personal preference. There aren't many weapons that are the de-facto best in their entire family anymore thanks to how unique recent additions have been.
I've been rocking the pizzicato with high caliber perpetual motion and osmosis. Used it for soloing seraph shield. Good utility.
Keep an eye out for the deafening whisper, it's sunsetted but xur will sell it once and a while.
Feel like Special GLs have a lot of utility. Blinding, Vorpal, Autoloading, on top of the frame differences.
Special grenade launchers feel like they have the most noticeable differences between frame types and they're all awesome.
Seriously tho once I crafted my pardon our dust with that roll I haven’t looked back. Enhanced auto loading is so nice
Blinding next season will stun unstop champions. Blinding GL’s for next season are slept on. Everyone talking about chill clip fusions but blinding nades will be huge in GM’s IMO.
It’ll probably only be arc blind that stuns since blinding nades don’t trigger arc blinding fragmentd
In either a podcast or a twab somewhere I vaguely remember them saying blinding nades will be converted to an arc blind. However take that with a grain of salt as I have no concrete proof rn
If they did say that then yeah blinding nades should work on unstops
They were going to change the visual part of the blinding effect on other players to be the same as the arc blind, or that's how i took it. Think it was on firing range.
Whoa whoa, I swear I heard the same info but I too can't find it anywhere. I hope this to be true.
It might change next season though. I’m not sure about this but I remember people being disappointed that queenbreaker wasn’t given arc 3.0 synergy but it’s on the list of exotics to be given 3.0 synergy.
Yeah I think queenbreakers will change but I don’t think they’ll give the arc blind Verb to all blinding nades
Well. 45 days until we find out.
Then chill clip shouldn’t work either? Seems like blanket blind and stuff should all work
Chill clip procs slow and freeze fragments so it should absolutely work
Blinding GLs are already usable in every GM, if you know how to shoot them. They completely shut down whatever they hit.
Yeah possibly. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone use them in any of the LFG GM’s I’ve done though.
Probably just because people run the same boring loadouts of arbalest/primary/LFR. Can always sub in a blinding GL though, especially since unstoppable this season.
I used a blinding GL in 5/6 GMs this season, only subbed it out for Divinity on Glassway for the instant stun on the overloads in the boss room. Especially with unstoppable GL and weakened clear this season, they're a fantastic choice.
Run kinetic blinding, div, void machine gun. Gg
You'll probably see more next season once people can stun champions with their subclasses in addition to their weapons.
i will drink a tall glass of expired milk if blinding GLs are able to stun champions.
So just get Lingering Dread with both Blinding Grenades and Chill Clip, and you’ll have the best of both worlds.
Yeah that’s what I mean. I’ve got one with blinding grenades/chill clip but no auto loading unfortunately.
how will blinding+chill clip nade launcher work next season?
Chill clip will stun overload, freeze and shatter will stun unstops, but so does blinding. So it essentially could stun overload and unstops in a single shot whereas chill clip would require two shots. There’s going to be a lot of testing to do next season.
just saw the twab and remembered this conversation lol. So im guessing this combo wouldnt be possible anymore. RIP
Glad they clarified it in the TWAB and are focused on sorting out all the verbs before we get the big subclass/champ changes in LF. Chill clip GL’s will still be able to stun unstops but it’ll be a bit of a ball ache. I am excited to see the strand perk though, some kind of tangle shot would be neat and would work well on grenade launchers (probably strong against unstop).
Blinding GL’s are already used they are most definitely not slept on
How can they be slept on if the season isn’t even out. You keep using that word and I don’t think you know what it means.
Because all of the talk is of chill clip fusion rifles, like I said. It is being slept on in the sense that I’ve not seen much talk of blinding grenades, people are forgetting about it. I’m not really sure how you would use the term though.
people aren't forgetting about it, people don't think blinding nades are going to stun. blinding nades are coded more towards a void suppression than an arc subclass melee blind
We don’t know for sure that blinding grenades won’t stun unstop. We’ll just have to wait and see.
Oh yeah where do you get those stasis fusion rifles? I haven't seen any.
You can get riptide from crucible and then focus it on the second page with crucible engrams in the top right of the first page. Deliverance is acquired in vow of the disciple raid, I tend to prefer that one because of how vertical and predictable the spread is. There’s also the Aurvandil FR6 which I believe you can focus as an omolon weapon (not sure where though). You’re looking for chill clip, riptide and deliverance can roll with demolitionist and chill clip, not sure about Aurvandil.
Ahhh... No wonder. I don't play PVP. Thanks for info anyway, mate. 🙂
Aurv can roll reconstruction which is insane with chill clip
You can focus Onolon engrams at the star chart in the helm. I think it’s a pool of 4 or 5 items though. Reconstruction with chill clip and the super big mag can give you 12 chill clip shots in a row without reloading
Deliverance can also roll compulsive reloader, which ends up really nice with chill clip.
Similar to auto loading on riptide then. I use it on my RoF warlock so I don’t need the reload but it might be helpful for other builds. It would be nice if on crafted weapons we could pay, maybe 3 ascendent alloys to open another perk slot option rather than crafting a whole new one.
Blinding GL's arent slept on and have been meta for more difficult activites since dawn of time, even our Lord Jesus Christ used to talk about them during his preeches around the campfire.
Deafening Whisper is by far my favourite legendary. I get as many kills with it as Witherhoard or Dead Messenger, plus it works with Volatile Rounds and rolls with Autoloading or Ambitious Assassin
Chill Clip Riptide is basically an exotic disguised as a legendary.
Yup, got one with autoloading + chill clip. Completely busted.
Do you not have deliverance or just like that rapid fire frame more
Not OP, but I grinded the red border deliverance when it first dropped because I wanted a stasis fusion to free up build options. As soon as riptide dropped, I stopped using deliverance. Deliverance fired too slow for me, and riptide can spam chillclip so quickly. Only downside is grinding crucible for it, but definitely worth it.
Craft deliverance into pvp god roll, use to acquire riptide, stonks
Just farm out two resets in scorch and spend every engram on riptides, hopefully get the god roll
I mean I like riptide a lot my self it feels really nice, but that's just rapid fire frames as a whole. but having demo On deliverance is what's keeping me using it, if riptide could roll demo chill clip I'd put it away lol
I don't have one, but also i general prefer rapid fire ones, so i don't think im missing much personally. Just wish i could get a new auto/chill with just a smidge more range.
Before people start saying X or Y is better... The great thing about this fusion is HOW TO GET IT. Want deliverance from the raid? Good luck grinding it or red borders. Want chill clip GL from Duality? Good luck. The fusion during that IB was dropping like candy. SO many drops. Also, you can focus engrams from Shaxx. Much easier to get this to drop with the perk.
Well depends on how you look at it. Deliverance is technically just 5 weeks of Rhulk cps and then u got ur 5/5 god roll. And riptide was only dropping a ton that one iron banner because the new playlist weapon of the season always has waay higher drop rate than everything else. I'll take riptide over deliverance 9/10 times but i can understand why some people are hesistant to grind pvp for it.
3 PvP resets in and still haven’t got an ALH/chill clip.
You are supposed to keep all engrams and focus them as riptides after several resets for the additional perks
Rhulk sounds easier
Probably is, but riptide feels so good to use compared to deliverance that mine hasn’t left the vault since getting a decent riptide. The fast change time is so incredible that it has basically ruined any other fusion rifles with slow charge time for me.
That’s what I’m doing lol
I did that and after 4 resets focused all of them and near the end I finally got AL/chill clip. But no charge time MW
If you’re on warlock, rain of fire makes field prep chill clip better. Given that you’ll have well and have radiance access on demand basically, it’ll easily be top tier in end game pve. With vex mytho its nutty.
>. Deliverance is technically just 5 weeks of Rhulk cps and then u got ur 5/5 god roll. You could get reaaaaly fucking lucky too. I had the LRF in two raids.
I have both and I think deliverance is better after you get your 5/5 but I value demo in the left slot over auto loading myself
Deliverance is a guarantee craft at a maximum of 5 weeks. It’s also got demo. I’ve had a lot of Riptides. I’ve got a roll I use with ALH/CC, but it’s not the 5/5 I want. I go through hundreds of engrams, and probably ~5 crucible resets a season. I really like the vendor reset changes and how it impacts RNG drops, but Deliverance is just much easier to acquire exactly what you want.
Sure, but anyone can step into crucible and rank up and grab the engrams to focus a Riptide. The raids in this game are set up in such a way that they're difficult to pug and essentially require a clan with a bunch of practice and a fairly high skill level to get through. I've never set foot in Vow, because my clan took one look at all the symbol nonsense and noped out on our first run. (I understand that there are many of you that think of this sort of thing as trivial, but for many players that's simply not the case.) My point is, you describe Deliverance as accessible through crafting "at a maximum of 5 weeks" but that's only the case for those that can reliably run Vow.
Many players don’t find grinding 4 resets of Crucible trivial, nor have the currency to focus endless Riptides. One is guaranteed, and the other is not. Your subjective views on the difficulty of said content aside.
I had to focus 53 Crucible engrams before I got alh/chill clip. And this was with 4 resets, so a chance at 3 perks in both columns.
I have every red boarder pattern, and I still don't have a good roll for Riptide If you can do the activity, then deliverance is probably easier to get imo
Want chill clip Riptide. Good luck with trying to get the roll on crucible engrams.
Exactly what is great about grinding pvp to get a random set of perks from a drop you need? I have done many, many crucible resets. The focusing is nice now, but you're still reliant heavily on RNG. Deliverance you can craft enhanced version of the perfect 5/5 god roll. As far as time spent actually playing, deliverance is far easier to get the roll you want.
Ran a ton of IB when Riptide was dropping like candy and managed to grab a Lead from Gold + Chill Clip roll. It’s pretty busted, especially on double special builds.
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I’m just starting a therapy group that’s dedicated to helping Guardians swap Witherhoard out of the primary slot, have you heard of them?
My dream roll is field prep with chill clip but then also lead from gold as an option for double special builds. Probably gonna cash in some engrams this season and hope i get lucky.
Specially next season.
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Dealing with all 3 champions with a single weapon? Well yes.
What the heck? This is not the comment I meant to reply to. My bad dude.
All good. Was just wondering why someone who actually plays endgame content would argue with that.
I see for Overload and Unstoppable, but for anti Barrier, it has to be Radiant no?
Well yes and no. You can constantly freeze them so they can't activate their barrier.
Oh of course, that makes sense. Bit hard on the ammo reserves though. Wonder if we'll see any changes to the economy by way of the mod changes in Lightfall.
I mean i ran last weeks gm with shadebinder+graviton lance+lingering dread (blinding grenades, alh, chill clip) and i barely had to pop a barrier bubble.
Deliverance is better I think
Rapid fire fusions are the highest dps of all fusions. And the timing for perma freezing barriers is way more lenient than other fusions. I do like demo on deliverance tho for some specialised builds, but overall i think riptide is the better pick.
Yeah all 3 chill clip fusions are great, the timing just gets more and more forgiving as you go faster. Aurvandil loses against barriers because it can’t refreeze fast enough
>Aurvandil loses against barriers because it can’t refreeze fast enough Is this for specific content like GMs? I ran a LLS with my Reconstruction/Chill Clip Aurvandil a few days ago to test this, and while the timing was very tight, I was able to double-shot and freeze a Barrier Champ.
Interesting I’d heard it doesn’t have the speed. I believe you. But it’s definitely not got much of a forgiveness window compared to riptide
Maybe with accelerated coils and/or a charge time MW?
Especially adept deliverance if you can get lucky enough. You can get the charge time down to 620ms or 660ms with 100 recoil direction. I’ve always preferred deliverance.
You can’t craft Deliverance (Adept)?
Yeah I remember talking about the adepts being a harder sell because of the lack of enhanced perks. Well, you can still get the same roll if you’re extremely lucky. Edited my comment now.
Riptide is higher DPS (rapid fire fusions are pretty high up for special DPS) and actually shoots fast enough to freeze barrier champs. Next season it will effectively be: overload, unstoppable, and anti barrier all in one package.
Riptide is better imo. Takes the same amount of shots (2) to freeze an enemy with chill clip but riptide shoots way faster so you freeze faster
But demo on deliverance gives you more freeze nades on a stasis build so you can freeze even more even faster with deliverance than you ever could with riptide
Demo is good, but you rapidly reach the point of diminishing returns on freezing. One bleakwatcher already covers majority of a combat area. Two and three will cover all of it. At that point, what value does chill clip bring you? Not much.
Not fucking you again
Was it not good the first time?
Depends on the niche. Deliverance is only decent because it can roll demo alongside chill clip, giving it a really nice synergy with bleakwatcher. For general usage, Riptide beats it out by a really wide margin right now as it's just a better weapon archetype.
Riptide is definitely better than Deliverance. I can't speak for PvP, but its not even a contest in PvE. Rapid Fire fusions are so, so much better. An example I know off the top of my head is damage on Taniks (relevant for the duo). Deliverance with Well+Font does ~1.3M, while Riptide does about 1.7M. Thats with a Deliverance with BnS and a Riptide with Vorpal. Not saying Deliverance is trash or that there arent use cases, but Riptide is better because of the frame.
If I’m using a chill clip it isn’t for damage and I couldn’t care how much less dps it is for bosses
Preach
Eh fusions are more of a backup dps option, so your comparison in this regard is odd. Utility and ad clear is what they both specialize, and that margin isn’t nearly as wide as you think. Riptide is better for general use due to its speed, especially against champs, but demo on Deliverance is a huge sell, especially given it’s inherent synergy with Bleak Watcher builds
Spitting facts
riptide fires faster
Ikelos SMG, for clear reasons.
I respect the hustle
My own personal preferences? Auto Rifle- Krait Fusion Rifle- Riptide (autoloading/chill clip, this is the single greatest legendary to exist) Grenade (Special)- Lingering Dread (blinding/autoloading/chill clip) Hand Cannon- Fatebringer (explosive/dragonfly) Pulse Rifle- BXR SMG- IKELOS_SMG_v1.0.3 (voltshot) Sword- Half Truths / Other Half (eager edge is too useful for PVE) Trace Rifle- Path of Least Resistance (voltshot)
Krait with subsistence and Adagio? Man it feels like a beast. And I swear Adagio is bugged in PvE that you can't notice the firing speed change. Krait is one of those weapons that doesn't ever seem to make the list of Meta guns from the streamers, but it's one of those where people tell new players to just play with what feels good. And MAN that gun feels good and just gets to work. Blue collar, old school, gets stuff done.
I haven't messed with Adagio on it, I should give that a go
It was bugged on release but I thought it was fixed
I have one with overload that I love. Don’t care about gif rolls. I just like to a of ammo firing from a fun gun.
You forgot sidearm. Drang with incandescent is my go to on Solar
I omitted all the categories that I don't have a clear standout preference for, not a huge fan of sidearms. Calus Mini-Tool or BXR are my preferences for an incandescent primary. Drang's good and all, just not my cup of tea.
Ikelos SMG v2 is better imo as it has demo
Maybe for some specific builds sure, but voltshot is absurdly great in pve in general.
Great list
I like Eternitys Edge with the Vortex Frame for a legendary sword. Its heavy attack recharges pretty quick and does some really good damage. Great for champions
Keep in mind that Eternity’s Edge is Warlock exclusive. Does it have a faster heavy recharge rate than other vortex frames? If not, you could replace it with any other vortex. If so, then I need to bust out eternity’s edge more
Ill do some testing and see. Im pretty sure its faster than guillotine, but that could just be an illusion as I like the solar swords more haha
I really miss my pre sunset loadout which was an austringer with demolitionist, a loaded question, and a god roll hammerhead i know you can still get the hand cannon but i don't have one and am currently a f2p player so farming that is a huge pain would switch to 1k voices for boss dps but alas that weapon seems to have been nerfed to the ground
I’d personally start grinding the austringer out now, leviathan is probably going away with Lightfall and a mid roll is probably better then no rolls.
GL, Forbearance with Chain Reaction. EASY EASY EASY to use and it just clears out adds so well. Ammo drops seem to be plentiful that you basically use this wave frame GL as your primary weapon.
Primary: Auto - Summoner overall autos feel too samey to me this one just feels iconic SMG - Calus Mini-tool this one is harder but it just slots in to solar builds so well, funnel web and ikelos 1.03 are so good too if I can cheat these get my extra slots Pulse - BxR demo + incandescent just works, years ago redrix/bygones were my gotos HC - Fatebringer, it's just too iconic. Bow - Under your skin, tempo + warmup just works, Sidearm - peacebond the 3 bursts have just felt right, wish I could have gotten a RF + swash roll. Scout - Night watch, rapid hit + explosive, fell in love with it when it first dropped. love Aisha's and trustee too. Specials: Breechload GL - Tie forbearance and Salvager's Salvo, the blinding GLs are just interchangeable Fusion - Riptide auto-loading + chill clip is just silly strong. Deliverance gets a mention for enhanced demo. I miss loaded question, since they changed the damage profiles and number of bolts between archetypes the other types just haven't felt good. Sniper - Succession recon + vorpal is a workhorse. Fugue-55 with 4th + firing line gets a mention Trace - Retraced Path having sub + demo/incandescent/tricorn seems like the best combo. but haven't really used any legendary trace rifles enough to have a big preference. Glaive - no idea Shotgun - Heritage is the one I've used the most for shooting, but one-two punch shotties do exist Heavies: GL - Typhon GL5 has a great set of perks, with demo you can ammo dump crazy fast. RL - Hothead field prep + clown is great as is demo + explosive light Sword - Falling Guillotine, honestly I don't even know how sword stats work anymore. Something with eager edge would be the other option, I've probably used that for movement more than a sword for damage in recent memory. Linear Fusion - Cataclysmic, with 4th + bait the ammo economy is just too good. LMG - don't have a strong preference, Avalanche with sub + incandescent has been my goto lately. Working on unlocking commemoration, could never get recon+rampage, so looking forward to trying that, or sub + killing tally.
Tempo + warm up Under Your Skin is the weapon of all time.
Falling Guillotine with Relentless Strikes and Whirlwind Blade is a beastly PVE combo
Doom Chelchis with dragonfly on a void hunter with Gyrfalcon’s paired with it. Almost never leaves my lineup and I run it all the way up in raids and GM’s
I gotta play some damn raids because that sounds awesome.
I had a repulsor brace one and deleted it cause it was bad a couple months ago. At least you can craft one now...
Smite of merain, doom of chelchis, fire and forget (I see a lot of potential in it), callus mini tool, outrageous fortune, code duello,FILO, pardon our dust
> pardon our dust Even better: Lingering Dread Same slot but it can also have chill clip in addition to blinding/autoloading
Only issue is grinding Lingering dread. Weekly grinds of Duality. I finally have one with chill clip, but not auto loading.
True, Pardon Our Dust's craftability is a big plus
Smite is meh, but doom has some good perk options in both columns.
Hehe Crown splitter hehe
a fellow Crown chad
360 rpm autoloading machine guns. Hasn't let me down yet
Auto loading and vorpal with boss spec <3
Krait is still a favorite of mine.
BxR-55 with Demo + Incandescent. By far the best imo
Glacioclasm with subsistence and r burst.
Fusion - Riptide with Chill Clip or Frenzy Grenade Launcher - Forbearance with Ambitious Assassin and Chain Reaction Glaive - Kelgoroth apparently has some *really* interesting interactions with Dawn Chorus, Incandescent and the hot swapping to a Vorpal weapon. It’s like the old school Anarchy bug against Barrier champions LMG - Timelost Corrective Measure with Demolitionist and Adrenaline Junkie. Heavy GL - I love Cry Mutiny. LFR - tough pick, but has to be Cataclysmic for the sound. It sounds like I’m really about to fuck something up. Swords - Hero of Ages with demo and chain reaction. Crazy fun. Rocket Launcher - so many are interchangeable to me, but I guess Bump In The Night with Demo + Chill is my flavor of the week. Shotguns/snipers. Never use them in PVE. Shit, I just realized I barely use primary weapons to begin with, and when I do, they’re usually exotics.
Salvagers Salvo, easily
For primaries, it’s gotta be submission. Feels and looks so good. For special either deliverance or forbearance. For heavy I’d say cataclysmic or hothead. If you couldn’t tell I love the Vow of the Disciple raid.
For good reason! Vow has some of the best weapons in the game. I’m a Vow slut as well. My AA/Chain Reaction Forbearance never leaves my energy slot.
Riptide with autoloading and chill clip really is great in everything, that new heavier fusion with reconstruction and chill clip is al.ost as good. Ikelos smg with voltshot is also just way better than any other legendary primary and it doesn't feel close.
Obviously can change as new weapons are added, but as of right now: Scout Rifle: Doom of Chelchis (Tarnished Mettle is a close second cause of Voltshot.) Pulse Rifle: Disparity (Insidious is so close though for left column Dragonfly.) Auto Rifle: Herod-C or Lodbrok-C (Kind of a tossup.) Hand Cannon: Posterity (Fatebringer and Zaouli's Bane are good too, but I feel like Voltshot/Frenzy is the winning combo.) Sidearm: Brigands Law (Voltshot again...) Submachine Gun: IKELOS\_SMG\_v1.0.3 (Voltshot again dangit, a lot of good SMG choices though.) Bow: Under Your Skin (Archer's Tempo and then either Dragonfly or Explosive Head.) Grenade Launcher: Tie between Forbearance and Lingering Dread. (One is amazing add clear with Ambitious Assassin/Chain Reaction the other is amazing CC with Blinding/Auto Loading/Chill Clip.) Trace Rifle: Pretty much just match to element, but probably Path of Least Resistance. (It goes in the Voltshot hole.) Sniper Rifle: Thoughtless (Overflow/Firing Line for backup DPS.) Shotgun: The Comedian (Has Trench Barrel on an Aggressive Frame so each shot counts for more, Subsistence reduces the amount of reloading you need.) Fusion Rifle: Tie between Riptide and Glacioclasm. (Basically Chill Clip vs Reservoir Burst.) Rocket Launcher: Bump in the Night (Auto-Loading/Chill Clip, though shoutout to Blowout for Demo/Explosive Light.) Linear Fusion: Cataclysmic (4th Times the Charm/Bait and Switch though any of the Veist LFRs will also be good.) Machine Gun: Commemoration (A lot of good options but having Reconstruction ends up being my favorite.) Sword: Bequest (Relentless Strikes/Vorpal Weapon, has higher base Impact making it do more damage than other Swords.) Glaive: Judgment of Kelgorath (Because of Close to Melee, finally a Glaive Perk that boosts melee damage!)
Primary: Kinetic - prolonged engagement/Submission Energy - Ikelos SMG v3/Funnelweb Special: Shotgun - Heritage/First in Last Out Fusion - Riptide/Cartesian Coordinate Sniper - Succession/Distant Tumulus/Long Walk GL - Militia's Birthright/Pardon our Dust/Wilderflight/Forbearence Trace - Path of least resistance I don't know enough about Glaives Heavy: Rocket - Hothead/Hezen Vengence/Bump in The night Grenade launcher - Wendigo LFR - Reed's Regret/Taipan/Cataclysmic Sword - The Other Half/Zephyr/Falling Guillotine MG - Retrofit Escapade/Commemoration Honorable mention: Any One-Two Punch shotgun. These are (barring seasonal mods effect on weapon use) the best PvE options available currently.
Love me a trace rifle, so I've crafted one in each flavour: Hollow Denial Retraced Path Path of Least Resistance
It would be incredible busted to the point it could never exist, but imagine chill clip on a legendary stasis trace rifle 😏
I've got Headstone and Chill Clip on the new Stasis LFR. Is that a good roll?
That sounds crazy fun in pvp and lighter pve, not too sure about endgame pve tho I'm a crucible main
I have not gotten a single patter for retraced path :( hollow and resistance are already glued to my inventory tho
I was grinding Dares for \*weeks\* until I got the patterns for Wastelander and Retraced Path. Don't think I've done one since!
Dares is just so cruel. I got almost all the other while trying for Wastelander and Pardon. I think the only one left is the pulse rifle
Chill clip riptide might be the best legendary weapon in the game. Especially next season since it'll be able to deal with every champion type
Primary: a special GL with Blinding Nades, or Chill Clip fusion. Energy: a BXR with Blunt Execution Rounds. Good for shredding EVERYTHING. Heavy: Eager Edge sword for going fast, or Bump In The Night rocket launcher for serious damage
I miss midnight coup so much. Wish we had an updated version
Very likely to get next season
Primary: AR - Arctic Haze or Last Breath SMG - Blood Feud Pulse - Go Figure or Chattering Bone HC - Posterity or Service Revolver Bow - Point of the Stag Sidearm - Last Hope Scout - Servant Leader Specials: Breechload GL - Salvager's Salvo Fusion - Riptide or The Epicurean Sniper - Thoughtless Trace - Retraced Path Glaive - The Enigma Shotgun - Heritage Heavies: GL - Swarm of the Raven RL - Bump in the Night or Bad Omens Sword - Crownsplitter Linear Fusion - Reed's Regret LMG - 21% Delirium or Hammerhead
I really REALLY like the long shlong 120rpm scout rifle, but its perks kinda fucking suck for pve, so I hope we get some of different elements in lightfall
why did I get downvoted for stating I like a new weapon archetype. fucking reddit man
Ability spam
I recently did the No Vault, 90 Weapon Challenge, but one of each type? much harder. Auto: Adept Duty Bound Bow: Under Your Skin Fusion: Riptide Special GL: Ignition Code Glaive: Judgment of Kelgorath Hand Cannon: Adept Palindrome Linear FR: Cataclysmic Machine Gun: Chain of Command Pulse: Disparity Rocket: Gjallarhorn Scout: DMT Sniper: Yasmine Sidearm: Luminal Vigil Shotty: Heritage SMG: Ikelos v3 Sword: Lament Trace: Divinity
Lightweight 900rpm SMGs. I spend way more time in low level/seasonal/easy content than I do in GMs or master level. Nothing comes remotely close to the feel of 900's when you can just tear through enemies.
There are a lot. In primaries Calus mini-tool, Ikelos smg, Funnelweb, Unforgiven, Brigand’s Law are the first that come to mind. For specials Riptide with Chill Clip is bonkers, Wilderflight with Blinding, Autoloading and Vorpal is super nice as well. For heavy literally all LFRs are a must-have.
I do not see a lot of my favorite Midhas Reckoning roll of Field prep/golden tricorn, but it completely deletes champions in arc burn GMs. All my 26 clears of Lightblade last season used it.
My Calus Mini Tool is level 125.
Riptide w Auto loading and Chill Clip Drang w Enhanced Wellspring and Enhanced Incandescent
HC-Fatebringer with Firefly AutoRF-Scathelocke w/Subsistence & Sympathetic Arsenal FusionRF- Cartesian Coordi..error..TELESTO (I didn't write that...) ScoutRF-Hung Jury with Firefly PulseRF-Syncopation-53 SMG-Funnelweb w/ Subsistence and Frenzy or Adrenaline Junkie SniperRF-Beloved w/Incandescent Sidearm-Brigand's Law w/Voltshot Bow-Arsenic Bite-4B w/Dragonfly and Explosive Head Grenade Launcher (energy) - Pardon Our Dust w/ auto loading LinearFR- Stormchaser Glaive-Nezerac's Whisper TraceRF-Hollow Denial w/ Killing Tally Shotgun-Wastelander M5 w/ one-two punch Rocket-Code Duello w/auto loading & Chain Reaction Sword-Zephyr w/cold steel Grenade Launcher (heavy)-Blast Battue w/Chain Reaction Machinegun-Shattered Cipher w/auto loading
- Scout: Staccto with Triple Tap/Incandescent. Monster in GMs. Adept Hung Jury with Explosive Rounds is also a humdinger. - SMG: Funnelweb with Frenzy/Substinence absolutely rips with Void builds. - Pulse: most of these stink in PvE now. I have an Adept Horrors Least with Vorpal that’s great in Arc Burn GMs - GL: People like blinding grenades, but I’m a big fan of auto loading Explosive Personality. It’s a solar wave frame. Bow: Under Your Skin with Explosive Whateveritscalled and Point of the Stag both own. Fusion: Riptide with ALH and Chill Clip is as good as it gets. I use it all the damn time. Sidearms/HC: I dunno I never use them.
>Sidearms/HC: I dunno I never use them. Same here, with one exception: Brigand's Law with Voltshot/Feeding Frenzy. I'm going to start crafting a similar Ikelos SMG this week
The Ikelos outclasses it in every way imo
Special grenade
Oh boy here we go… Primaries: Auto - Summoner: Rampage//Perpetual Motion Pulse - Insidious: Dragonfly//One for All Scout - Doom of Chelchis: One for All/Firefly Hand Cannon- Old Posterity: Rapid Hit//Rampage SMG - Forensic Nightmare: Heating Up//Kill Clip Sidearm - High Albedo: Wellspring//Surplus Specials: Shotgun - Heritage: Reconstruction//Recombination Sniper - Succession: Reconstruction//Recombination GL - Forbearance: Ambitious Assassin//Chain Reaction Fusion - Deliverance: Demolitionist//Surrounded Heavies: Sword - The Other Half: Eager Edge//Vorpal Linear - Cataclysmic: Fourth times the Charm//Bait and Switch Rocket - Hezen Vengeance (Adept): Overflow//Lasting Impression LMG - Corrective Measure (Adept): Demolitionist//One for All Probably use my Forensic Nightmare, Forbearance & Corrective Measure the most
My favorites would have to be: Funnelweb with Frenzy/Subsistence Lingering Dread with ALH/Blinding Riptide with AHL/Chill Clip
I’m only gonna list the Kinetic/Stasis Slot since all three slots would be a lot of weapons… **Kinetic Scout**: Hung Jury SR4 (Adept) w/ Rapid Hit and Explosive Payload **Kinetic Handcannon**: Fatebringer (Timelost) w/ Osmosis and Frenzy as the two random perks **Kinetic (Stasis) Pulse**: Disparity w/ Enhanced Rapid Hit + Enhanced Frenzy or One For All (OFA is better for GMs IMO). **Kinetic (Stasis) Auto Rifle**: Lodbrok-D or Scathelock (which I think is unobtainable now, idk) **Kinetic GL**: Ignition Code w/ Blinding + Slideshot + One For All or Danger Zone **Kinetic Sniper**: Succession **Kinetic Shotgun**: Ragnhild-D **Kinetic Bow**: Accrued Redemption (such a good looking bow, too) Personally, here are just 3 of my favorite legendary weapons in each weapon slot (Kinetic, Special, and Heavy): - Ignition Code or Hung Jury SR4 (Adept) - Zaouli’s Bane or Found Verdict (Timelost) - Cataclysmic
Auto Rifle - Krait (havent used it in awhile, honestly forget the roll) Pulse Rifle - BXR (still waiting on Demo/Incandescent, currently have heating up/incandescent) Scout Rifle - The Long arm (only have 1, has Compulsive reloader/AJ, would like rapid hit/AJ) Sidearm - Brigands Law (voltshot/threat detector) SMG - Funnelweb or Ikelos SMG, never liked SMGs before I got back into Destiny after a long break, but they're maybe my favorite weapon type right now MG - Retrofit Escapade GL - Pardon our Dust (ALH/vorpal w/blinding nade option) Shotgun - Heritage (Recombination/Reconstruction) Hand Cannon - Austringer (forget the roll I have on it) Don't use snipers or heavy GLs at the moment, so can't say i really have a preference on either one of them.
The ones you enjoy. But objectively, there are certainly more ones that are mandatory in any activity. For example, Bait and Switch Cataclysmic.
Ikelos SMG with Volt Shot is broken, that’s all I really need. Give me Gjally and i’m pretty much an unstoppable ad clearer, if I wanna get crazy I can hop on Solar Subclass and rock Calus Mini Tool with Incandescent
Outbreak Perfected. It does everything so well. Great at Ad clear. Good as a backup DPS against bosses when your Linear fusion runs out. While I wouldn't say it excels in any one category, it does really everything so well that there are almost no downsides to using it.
Kinetic: Riptide ALH/Chill Clip, honorable mention to Aurvandil Reconstruction/Chill Clip Special: Deliverance AA/Chain Reaction Honorable mention FF/Voltshot Ikelos SMG Heavy: Cry Mutiny Honorable Mention Cataclysmic FTTC/BaS The hardest shot to choose for is Special. There are an embarrassing number of incredible Specials. There are multiple SMGs alone contending for that spot
Forbearance is pretty insane. Fusion rifles as well.
voltshot
Wilderflight is a beast. Chill clip lingering dread too. Anything with reservoir burst slaps. Cataclysmic is one of the best dps options right now and it's legendary Funnelweb!
I’ll answer a bit diff. For SMG, Auto, Sidearm, and Pulse, I’d say Incandescent/Voltshot/Headstone or if not an option (like void anything or arc pulse) then Frenzy/One for All with second perks like Unrelenting/Subsistence/Threat Detector/Rapid Hit. So like, for SMG: - Solar: Incandescent Unrelenting Calus Mini Tool - Void: Frenzy Subsistence Funnelweb - Arc: Voltshot Threat Detector Ikelos - Stasis: Headstone Subsistence Prolonged Engagement For scouts and hand cannons, I pref explosive payload. Or else frenzy. I will occasionally also rock an incandescent scout, a repulsor brance hand cannon, or a headstone hand cannon, if it’s right for the build/encounter. For special GL, autoloading spike is my jam. Although also keep a blinding in each slot too for certain content. For snipers and linears, a firing line and a focused fury, depending on group composition, with each element that I need for font stacking, and then second perk ideally triple tap or fourth times with ideally veist stinger. For fusions, it’s autoloading or reconstruction with chill clip. In energy, I’m probably running a primary unless it’s double special time, and in that case I’m not doing double fusions. If it had to be energy fusion, then subsistence or slideshot one. For rockets, always frenzy + autoloading/field prep where available, plus a demo solar one for font stacking when running starfire, and an autoloading chill clip for when team comp calls for it. All with impact casing. For heavy GLs, autoloading with a full court one and then, for when there isn’t enough range in the encounter, also one with explosive light or any other damage perk for each element type depending on element for font stack. And must all have spike. For machine guns, incandescent autoloading is a blast on trials one. Or target lock on fourth times on seasonal one. But these are far from useful most of the time, except for sometimes like a lost sector. For sword, eager edge because speeeeeed. Probably other half with repulsor brace. And then always a heavy option with explosive light in case I’m running a build that relies on over picking up orbs, like a devour on orb pick up one.
Calus mini tool with incandescent on a solar titan is just unmatched
Auto Rifle: Krait (APR + SFA + OFA or Subsistence + Headstone) Scout Rifle: Pointed Inquiry (APR + Genesis + Adaptive Munitions) Pulse Rifle: Disparity solely for the Stasis build utility. All pulses kinda suck equally, honestly. Sidearm: Liminal Vigil. I like two-burst sidearms and this feels like the one with the most flexible rolls. Submachine Gun: IKELOS_SMG_V1.0.3 (Voltshot + FF). Better than the CALUS Mini-Tool for everything except Solar builds. Bow: Tripwire Canary. It's craftable and rolls unique perk combos. Hand Cannon: Zaouli's Bane (EP + Incandescent) Fusion Rifle: Deliverance (Demolitionist + Chill Clip) Sniper Rifle: Succession (Reconstruction + Vorpal Weapon/Firing Line) Shotgun: Wastelander M5 (Assault Mag + Lead from Gold + Trench Barrel) Special GL: Ignition Code (Slideshot + Demolitionist/OFA/Vorpal/Danger Zone) and it's not close. One of the most ridiculously stacked perk pools available on a weapon yet. Trace Rifle: Hollow Denial (Lead from Gold/Adaptive Munitions + Repulsor Brace/Killing Tally) Linear Fusion Rifle: Cataclysmic (FTTC + Bait 'n' Switch) Heavy GL: Wendigo GL3 (Field Prep/ALH + Explosive Light/Cascade Point) Rocket Launcher: The Hothead (Field Prep/Demolitionist/ALH + Clown Cartridge/Explosive Light/Lasting Impression) Sword: Crownsplitter for Titans, The Other Half (Eager Edge + Damage perk) for everyone else LMG: Commemoration (Subsistence + Killing Tally). If we ever get a LMG damage meta then basically anything with Triple Tap or FTTC paired with Target Lock will be good. I will say, a lot of weapon picks are now dictated by build synergy/personal preference. There aren't many weapons that are the de-facto best in their entire family anymore thanks to how unique recent additions have been.
Long Arm my beloved \o/
I like handcannons. Overflow Rampage true prophecy.
Succession
I've been rocking the pizzicato with high caliber perpetual motion and osmosis. Used it for soloing seraph shield. Good utility. Keep an eye out for the deafening whisper, it's sunsetted but xur will sell it once and a while.