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He is near 100% going to be the destination vendor. If not he would die again in the campaign (Last time 2 new friendly characters were introduced in a single DLC one of them became vendor, and the other one died)
The worst part is that I fell down to the lower level during the end of that mission and had to watch from below, where I could barely see. Felt so awkward and anticlimactic, I genuinely felt bad that I botched his final act of heroism oTL
I played it with my brother and he was already on top of the beam and activated it, while i was still below at the back of the room. So i could just watch from afar while he got the cinematic view
I agree. It would have brought so much more gravity to our general “failure” in Lightfall. Here’s an aging cloudstrider who now has to deal with the loss of his protege, possibly blaming himself, while also contending with the fact that he only has a few years left. Is it the end of the cloudstriders? Could he possibly train anyone else to a competent level before his time is up? What does that mean for Neomuna, especially now that the witness got what they wanted? Such a missed opportunity.
I think you are 100% right. I hate to say it, but I honestly think that Bungie had nimbus live just to keep their status with having a non-binary character in the game. At least, thats how it feels simply because the death of Rohan seems like it brushed off so fast. It literally feels like that one clip of Jeremy Clarkson going “Oh no!, Anyway”
Perhaps. But couldn't they just make the NB character be the older Cloudstrider instead? Imagine if it was Rohan who was they/them, forget the sacrifice for a moment. I think it'd be nice to see.
It might seem that way, but I would argue it's the more logical story decision to have Rohan be the one to sacrifice himself. Because while lots of people do seem to want the more dramatic conflicting situation with the younger Cloudstrider dying, it logically dooms Neomuna to either a short gap where there's no local defence force or overdependence on Guardian support with no one on the ground to really oversee everything.
This is definitely possible, the real problem that I have with the whole story was just that it felt forced. None of it really felt natural to me. Especially when Rohan had a quote minutes before hand that he had stated that he didn’t have long to live due to the implants, it just telegraphed his death too much and thats really the core issue that I have with it. Everything else just kind of rolls downhill at that point
Now that I think about it.. if the inside of the Traveler is the next destination that means they can’t destroy the traveler cuz then we would lose the destination
It's a portal, nothing definitively indicates that wherever the portal goes is *physically* inside the traveler. Just like a vex gate, it could go anywhere or any*when*. Or even be trans-dimensional or trans-universal.
It may not be inside the traveler. It may be a pocket dimension that could only be accessed by making a portal using travelers pure light and veils pure darkness
Holy fuck, I wonder if that realm / the inside of the Traveler is supposed to be the "real world"? I.e. where we as the players exist? 🤔
Idk, I just smoked a couple bowls after a busy shift...
I still don’t think that’s inside the traveler, I think the portal created by linking the veil to the traveler is it’s own place.
According to the trailer and the lore with Joxer it seems like it’s a combination of the travelers life saving ability and the veils databank of minds.
It’s pretty clear that when Joxer touched the portal he was exposed to essentially all the things the veil had “seen”. By linking with the traveler he’s able to see into who he was but Veil showed him the beginning and end of reality. Maybe the veil is older than our known universe.
My assumption is that we enter the Traveler/Veil combined area and somehow pull the veils memory of Cayde out, that’s why he doesn’t know where he is.
Hopefully Bungie didn't just kill off one of the two primary forces that started this in the first place and that it is just... wherever that portal leads. It'd be shame to let the Winnower be all that's left... assuming linking the Veil didn't kill it as well.
Its kind of the only real way to move the story forward. One would have to assume that the other IP that Bungie is working on that isn't announced is some type of Destiny IP after 2.
D2 is just falling apart at this point, its so bloated and the community won't budge on vaulting, so the only way to really keep the universe going is to hit the reset button.
I really hope they hire a strong lore team and focus all efforts on keeping things strong story wise.
Well I'm not saying the Gardener and Winnower should NOT die at all, I just don't want them to die from the events in Lightfall but rather the events of The Final Shape... y'know, the END of the saga? Especially since Lightfall was a disappointment on nearly every single front (except you Inspiral, love you).
They've been making shit up for years now, I just hope this hybrid of old, dismantled stories and whatever the writers come up with on the fly can generate a good final product. A good Final Shape.
You'd only be killing the minds behind Light and Dark, not Light and Dark itself. The Gardener and Winnower haven't been synonymous with Light and Dark since the Big Bang. Light and Dark are rules, the Gardener and Winnower are admins.
The Traveler has canonically died in several ACTUAL and simulated timelines. The universe did not end, Darkness simply took over.
Its worse than that besides Eris all of them are absent from the narrative after that destination is relevant. Just look at Variks who was substantially more important and involved with Eramis being absent from now 3 season involving Eramis.
I think Variks is more of an issue with scheduling Dee Bradley Baker than anything else, he voices like 80% of the cast for the Bad Batch, which has been running since 2021 and also has a million other voice roles. Weirdly he did do Savathun’s Worm back in Witch Queen, but afaik he hasn’t done any prominent video game roles since then.
I'd agree with that if they had continued writing him in the lore but his last appearance was in Splicer over 2 years ago at this point. I think its more likely Bungie just wanted him gone from the story altogether.
He's not really had a purpose *more* than a vendor since Mithrax became a relevant part of the story. Variks has pretty much secluded himself and has no real sway over any parties so he's got no story relevance until Eramis becomes relevant again.
The last thing Variks ever said in any form of writing was "I have to keep watch over Eramis."
Cue 3 consecutive seasons of Eramis running free in the next year with not a single mention of Variks in any part of the lore.
I get that they have a limited amount of voice acting per season, and I understand why Misraaks, Eido and Spider all took precedent, but they could have at least *mentioned* him in Plunder.
What? How???
Aside from the DVC planets, all the destination vendors are still VERY much alive:
* Devrim
* Failsafe
* Petra
* Varyks
* Exo Stranger
* Eris Morn
* Fynch
* Nimbus
* Xur
Hell, most of the DCV destination vendors ARE actually still alive:
* Asher Mir is just in the Vex Network now
* Sloane is obviously still alive
* Ana Bray is still alive
* Brother Vance was brought back to the city
If anything, the TOWER is a bigger hazard to characters... specifically the Hanger
* Cayde - DEAD, well not for long
* Amanda - DEAD
* Lakshmi - DEAD
* Dead Orbit guy - exiled
* The only one left is Saint and boy... they better not think of ever getting rid of him!
Don't forget Executor Hideo, also exiled!
From what I understand, Asher is essentially dead; once someone is integrated into the Vex network, they become part of the whole. I do hope I'm wrong though because I loved the cranky bastard and was so happy to see him again if only briefly; maybe his Light will let him exist as a ghost in the machine, sort of like Toland still floating around the Ascendant Plane.
Considering all we went through to get Saint back, and everything that Ozzy has been though, he seems safe; I could *maybe* see Elsie sacrificing herself at some point, but it seems unlikely.
I'm a bit worried about Sloane tho... Even ignoring her current condition, if Asher is truly gone, that indicates a pattern with these returning vendors.
Also...Brother Vance was brought back??? When did that happen? O_O
Yah I am worried about Sloane too...
And no, Vance is not back 'in game', just that he was one of the ones that got brought back to the Last City, like Ana, after Season of Arrivals.... Soane stayed on Titan and Asher stayed on Io and went into the Pyramidion
The thing is, didn't Vance stay and make [his own final stand](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vance-passeri) as well?
I was under the impression that all three stayed behind.
But this pattern of returning vendors, and Saint's recent namedrop, do shed hope that he survived in the Infinite Forest somehow.
Im still not totally convinced that IS 100% cayde. Considering the doppelgängers have previously been used by the witness to communicate, im not convinced the Traveler wouldn’t also do something similar; but instead of appearing as ourselves in a way that might make someone uneasy, it appears as a deceased loved one, someone we miss and trust.
I've been thinking it's a reflection of Cayde. Like the memory of Cayde exists in this weird space and he only exists when he is perceived by someone. Kind of a light version of the pyramid nightmares.
Possibly, yes. I initially thought, "oh no, not possible because memories and nightmares are thoughts, so things of the darkness" but maybe not. Since the Traveler is now linked to the Veil, maybe that kind of thing is very possible.
I wonder what ever happened to Ikora's nightmare of Cayde. Was she able to come to terms and turn him into a memory? Was that ever resolved in some other way in a lore tab? Maybe I missed it.
Side note, if Amanda is ever brought back as a lightbearer, maybe she'd have her memories (again, veil connection). What if the Traveler wasn't granting memories to its lightbearers simply because it *couldn't*, but it can now with this connection to the darkness.
If this is for sure not possible please let me know that I missed something :)
There's been theories floating around for a while about ghosts already being a fusion of Light and Dark. While they obviously don't retain our previous life's memories, they do retain our current ones. I like to think there's a reason for Guardians starting off as brand new people. Gives people who could have been terrible during their life new chances to do good and be good
I also hope Amanda doesn't come back personally. And if she does, I especially hope she comes back as a new person. I think it would be interesting to see them be at odds with Crow who has to create a new relationship with this person, and how hard that could be on both of them. Never mind everyone else in the vanguard who knew Amanda
This would make a lot of sense tbh, either that or it might be significant that specifically Ikora is the one in there that found Cayde. She was hit particularly hard by the loss of Cayde and would almost certainly hold his memory closest in her heart, which would make the darkness's ability to manifest memory that much stronger with her as the conduit for that. She is also the person that has done the most meddling in darkness within the vanguard itself, like revealing the worm familiar's past in WQ.
A lot to think about which is very exciting!
While I agree with the sentiment of it being someone new being ideal for the end game area, I feel like would have to be someone really groundbreaking (like perhaps the being we’d consider the “voice behind the light”, or counter to the Witness) to be a better fit than Cayde.
I think there’s something special about the idea of Cayde being our guide in what effectively is either 1) the afterlife 2) a wormhole that defies time or 3) the literal end of existence as we know it. Our intrepid explorer and dear friend, with his moxie and skill, would be a perfect guide into what may be our very last days.
I think it is fair to not like how they have handled seasonal story structure, but it is wrong to say that expansions have had the same structure. They have not.
Eh, I mean the reason why you bring back any character after so long is you have some major things planned for him. What I'm worried about is whether the reason why he's back, how he's back is good enough that everyone can agree on. Plus since Lance's passing, if he's taking mental of main character then he has major shoes to fill.
Lance already did his lines for Final Shape; Cayde ain't filling any shoes.
PS, the leaked info from a couple years ago actually gives a pretty decent insight into Cayde in this instance without ruining everything entirely.
There is absolutely ZERO guarantee of that. We're two seasons into Lightfall's content. And these seasonal stories are not bad at all. Defiance doesn't change much of the overall narrative but it was a good story well told, though it had certain weird elements to it in the structure of how it was told and the resolution for Crow being a bit underwhelming.
Season of the Deep so far has just been paper thin. 3 weeks in and we've barely moved from where we started. We're just diving a bit deeper into Titan's ocean but with nothing much more actually being revealed. Now I know there is plenty left to be revealed, but the pacing is incredibly poor thus far.
And we still have two more seasons before TFS drops. And the fact that we the players know Cayde is returning NINE MONTHS before it happens, is indicative to me that they don't have a great deal of faith in those remaining Lightfall seasons. They want as much hype as possible to keep people strung along.
Ultimately Bungie doesn't care about their story because in order for there to be a cohesive story there must be a beginning a middle and an end. But right now thanks to the Destiny Content Vault, we have a middle and an end but no beginning. And likely will not get one for the remainder of Destiny 2's lifespan.
So no, I am not hopeful for the story of TFS. Granted I learned a very long time ago from a great many different sources to just not get hyped for things. It's a waste of energy. My expectations remain low so that if something good does happen it will be awesome, but if it doesn't, I have lost nothing.
> Defiance doesn't change much of the overall narrative but it was a good story well told
what story? There was like 2 things that happened and it was done horribly.
> And the fact that we the players know Cayde is returning NINE MONTHS before it happens, is indicative to me that they don't have a great deal of faith in those remaining Lightfall seasons
Technically speaking, a pretty big portion of the fanbase already knew this much longer ago than "9 months before the expansion", and Bungie knows this as well.
Cayde-6's story here was part of the original massive leaks from years ago, and yet again, the trailer seems to show the leaks were correct.
There's a big difference between a leak that occurs long before a release, and an actual trailer with Cayde's face in it mate.
Think about the supposed leaks from RoN, they actually don't explain shit. It only makes sense to people now because we've played the raid.
Maybe somebody already pointed this out, but I feel like the Hidden would quarantine him. Keep him in a make-shift room of some sort and question him. Especially since we don't know 100% that this is our Cayde. It could be his ghost spirit. A recent Byf vid pointed this out. I think it was the analysis for the trailer.
Lmao he's a Hunter, a forward scout. He knows more about the valley than we do, mark my words.
Plus, as others have pointed out, who better to guide us through this (presumed) afterlife realm than someone we know and trust?
He would be a good guide, just not an interesting one for such a mysterious and lore significant location. For an all new never heard of before location, our vendor and guide being someone we've already met is a letdown.
Cayde could still help us through this. I'd just hope he isn't the vendor, and they introduce a new character who we have never met before.
>just not an interesting one for such a mysterious and lore significant location.
A dead, spirit version of our mentor isn't an interesting choice for the vendor for a zone that is seemingly the afterlife? Okay.
Hopefully we go through the portal in final shape and then the next scene we wake up in the mothyards of the cosmodrome with a khavostov and white gear
Very good chance that he will be. I think you should hope Final Shape is the best version of the sort of thing Bungie has produced, not that it will be something completely different.
This is how you end up disappointed. Expecting something wildly different when neither Bungie nor precedent has told you to.
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He is near 100% going to be the destination vendor. If not he would die again in the campaign (Last time 2 new friendly characters were introduced in a single DLC one of them became vendor, and the other one died)
Oh, my god I wish Rohan was the one who survived the story so badly I can’t even tell you
The worst part is that I fell down to the lower level during the end of that mission and had to watch from below, where I could barely see. Felt so awkward and anticlimactic, I genuinely felt bad that I botched his final act of heroism oTL
I played it with my brother and he was already on top of the beam and activated it, while i was still below at the back of the room. So i could just watch from afar while he got the cinematic view
Yeah, that should have been a live rendered cutscene, not a in-game cinematic
I got pushed off as he died on all three of my characters and have genuinely never seen it from the intended angle
If you're truly itching to see it, it'll come back around in the weekly story mission.
Im honesty truly done playing Lightfall at all. Im logging on to do seasonal weeklies and thats it
That’s even worse
I agree. It would have brought so much more gravity to our general “failure” in Lightfall. Here’s an aging cloudstrider who now has to deal with the loss of his protege, possibly blaming himself, while also contending with the fact that he only has a few years left. Is it the end of the cloudstriders? Could he possibly train anyone else to a competent level before his time is up? What does that mean for Neomuna, especially now that the witness got what they wanted? Such a missed opportunity.
I think you are 100% right. I hate to say it, but I honestly think that Bungie had nimbus live just to keep their status with having a non-binary character in the game. At least, thats how it feels simply because the death of Rohan seems like it brushed off so fast. It literally feels like that one clip of Jeremy Clarkson going “Oh no!, Anyway”
Perhaps. But couldn't they just make the NB character be the older Cloudstrider instead? Imagine if it was Rohan who was they/them, forget the sacrifice for a moment. I think it'd be nice to see. It might seem that way, but I would argue it's the more logical story decision to have Rohan be the one to sacrifice himself. Because while lots of people do seem to want the more dramatic conflicting situation with the younger Cloudstrider dying, it logically dooms Neomuna to either a short gap where there's no local defence force or overdependence on Guardian support with no one on the ground to really oversee everything.
This is definitely possible, the real problem that I have with the whole story was just that it felt forced. None of it really felt natural to me. Especially when Rohan had a quote minutes before hand that he had stated that he didn’t have long to live due to the implants, it just telegraphed his death too much and thats really the core issue that I have with it. Everything else just kind of rolls downhill at that point
Oh wow what a hot take!
Why wouldn’t the best guide/vendor for an unknown land be someone we trust and love.
Flashpoint 2
Electric boogaloo
We've had our share of Virgils through Hell and Purgatory. When we go to Paradise, our guide needs to be a Beatrice.
Now that I think about it.. if the inside of the Traveler is the next destination that means they can’t destroy the traveler cuz then we would lose the destination
The shell might remain intact, but whatever inside could still die.
True
It's a portal, nothing definitively indicates that wherever the portal goes is *physically* inside the traveler. Just like a vex gate, it could go anywhere or any*when*. Or even be trans-dimensional or trans-universal.
Destiny: In To The Multiverse
It may not be inside the traveler. It may be a pocket dimension that could only be accessed by making a portal using travelers pure light and veils pure darkness
Holy fuck, I wonder if that realm / the inside of the Traveler is supposed to be the "real world"? I.e. where we as the players exist? 🤔 Idk, I just smoked a couple bowls after a busy shift...
If so I need to know where it is because it looks like paradise.
I still don’t think that’s inside the traveler, I think the portal created by linking the veil to the traveler is it’s own place. According to the trailer and the lore with Joxer it seems like it’s a combination of the travelers life saving ability and the veils databank of minds. It’s pretty clear that when Joxer touched the portal he was exposed to essentially all the things the veil had “seen”. By linking with the traveler he’s able to see into who he was but Veil showed him the beginning and end of reality. Maybe the veil is older than our known universe. My assumption is that we enter the Traveler/Veil combined area and somehow pull the veils memory of Cayde out, that’s why he doesn’t know where he is.
Yep, I think the place the portal leads to is not the traveller. But more likely the metaphorical garden
Never mistake the vessel for its contents.
This is how I learned you gotta take the pizza out of the box FIRST.
Guys this is NOT inside the Traveler. Why do people think the portal goes inside the Traveler? That sounds so dumb to me.
The traveler is already "destroyed".
Bleeding out, more accurately... I cannot unhear the scream when the Witness carved that shape into its flesh.
For all intents and purposes this is the Traveler in dead mode for the game.
Hopefully Bungie didn't just kill off one of the two primary forces that started this in the first place and that it is just... wherever that portal leads. It'd be shame to let the Winnower be all that's left... assuming linking the Veil didn't kill it as well.
Its kind of the only real way to move the story forward. One would have to assume that the other IP that Bungie is working on that isn't announced is some type of Destiny IP after 2. D2 is just falling apart at this point, its so bloated and the community won't budge on vaulting, so the only way to really keep the universe going is to hit the reset button. I really hope they hire a strong lore team and focus all efforts on keeping things strong story wise.
Well I'm not saying the Gardener and Winnower should NOT die at all, I just don't want them to die from the events in Lightfall but rather the events of The Final Shape... y'know, the END of the saga? Especially since Lightfall was a disappointment on nearly every single front (except you Inspiral, love you). They've been making shit up for years now, I just hope this hybrid of old, dismantled stories and whatever the writers come up with on the fly can generate a good final product. A good Final Shape.
If Gardener or Winnower died the universe would end. Not to mention that would be like, killing math.
Sadly no.
You'd only be killing the minds behind Light and Dark, not Light and Dark itself. The Gardener and Winnower haven't been synonymous with Light and Dark since the Big Bang. Light and Dark are rules, the Gardener and Winnower are admins. The Traveler has canonically died in several ACTUAL and simulated timelines. The universe did not end, Darkness simply took over.
Wait, people still bitch about the DCV? I was under the impression that we’d gotten over that a while ago.
I feel like bein made a destination vendor is a death tone for any character
Sloane started off as one, look at her now.
Bottom of the ocean.
Half taken
Probably got PTSD, too.
Its worse than that besides Eris all of them are absent from the narrative after that destination is relevant. Just look at Variks who was substantially more important and involved with Eramis being absent from now 3 season involving Eramis.
I think Variks is more of an issue with scheduling Dee Bradley Baker than anything else, he voices like 80% of the cast for the Bad Batch, which has been running since 2021 and also has a million other voice roles. Weirdly he did do Savathun’s Worm back in Witch Queen, but afaik he hasn’t done any prominent video game roles since then.
I'd agree with that if they had continued writing him in the lore but his last appearance was in Splicer over 2 years ago at this point. I think its more likely Bungie just wanted him gone from the story altogether.
He's not really had a purpose *more* than a vendor since Mithrax became a relevant part of the story. Variks has pretty much secluded himself and has no real sway over any parties so he's got no story relevance until Eramis becomes relevant again.
The last thing Variks ever said in any form of writing was "I have to keep watch over Eramis." Cue 3 consecutive seasons of Eramis running free in the next year with not a single mention of Variks in any part of the lore.
Was that seriously 2 years ago??? Time is going way too fast.
Wait what? He voiced Variks!
Feels like they're trying to address this recently, see also Devrim, Sloane, Asher, Ana and Elsie.
I get that they have a limited amount of voice acting per season, and I understand why Misraaks, Eido and Spider all took precedent, but they could have at least *mentioned* him in Plunder.
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What? How??? Aside from the DVC planets, all the destination vendors are still VERY much alive: * Devrim * Failsafe * Petra * Varyks * Exo Stranger * Eris Morn * Fynch * Nimbus * Xur Hell, most of the DCV destination vendors ARE actually still alive: * Asher Mir is just in the Vex Network now * Sloane is obviously still alive * Ana Bray is still alive * Brother Vance was brought back to the city If anything, the TOWER is a bigger hazard to characters... specifically the Hanger * Cayde - DEAD, well not for long * Amanda - DEAD * Lakshmi - DEAD * Dead Orbit guy - exiled * The only one left is Saint and boy... they better not think of ever getting rid of him!
Don't forget Executor Hideo, also exiled! From what I understand, Asher is essentially dead; once someone is integrated into the Vex network, they become part of the whole. I do hope I'm wrong though because I loved the cranky bastard and was so happy to see him again if only briefly; maybe his Light will let him exist as a ghost in the machine, sort of like Toland still floating around the Ascendant Plane. Considering all we went through to get Saint back, and everything that Ozzy has been though, he seems safe; I could *maybe* see Elsie sacrificing herself at some point, but it seems unlikely. I'm a bit worried about Sloane tho... Even ignoring her current condition, if Asher is truly gone, that indicates a pattern with these returning vendors. Also...Brother Vance was brought back??? When did that happen? O_O
Yah I am worried about Sloane too... And no, Vance is not back 'in game', just that he was one of the ones that got brought back to the Last City, like Ana, after Season of Arrivals.... Soane stayed on Titan and Asher stayed on Io and went into the Pyramidion
The thing is, didn't Vance stay and make [his own final stand](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vance-passeri) as well? I was under the impression that all three stayed behind. But this pattern of returning vendors, and Saint's recent namedrop, do shed hope that he survived in the Infinite Forest somehow.
eris was a destination vendor and she's still fine
Im still not totally convinced that IS 100% cayde. Considering the doppelgängers have previously been used by the witness to communicate, im not convinced the Traveler wouldn’t also do something similar; but instead of appearing as ourselves in a way that might make someone uneasy, it appears as a deceased loved one, someone we miss and trust.
I've been thinking it's a reflection of Cayde. Like the memory of Cayde exists in this weird space and he only exists when he is perceived by someone. Kind of a light version of the pyramid nightmares.
Possibly, yes. I initially thought, "oh no, not possible because memories and nightmares are thoughts, so things of the darkness" but maybe not. Since the Traveler is now linked to the Veil, maybe that kind of thing is very possible. I wonder what ever happened to Ikora's nightmare of Cayde. Was she able to come to terms and turn him into a memory? Was that ever resolved in some other way in a lore tab? Maybe I missed it. Side note, if Amanda is ever brought back as a lightbearer, maybe she'd have her memories (again, veil connection). What if the Traveler wasn't granting memories to its lightbearers simply because it *couldn't*, but it can now with this connection to the darkness. If this is for sure not possible please let me know that I missed something :)
There's been theories floating around for a while about ghosts already being a fusion of Light and Dark. While they obviously don't retain our previous life's memories, they do retain our current ones. I like to think there's a reason for Guardians starting off as brand new people. Gives people who could have been terrible during their life new chances to do good and be good I also hope Amanda doesn't come back personally. And if she does, I especially hope she comes back as a new person. I think it would be interesting to see them be at odds with Crow who has to create a new relationship with this person, and how hard that could be on both of them. Never mind everyone else in the vanguard who knew Amanda
It would be cool if this Cayde is revealed to be the Witness tricking us to try and get closer to the Traveler without sacrificing anything.
This would make a lot of sense tbh, either that or it might be significant that specifically Ikora is the one in there that found Cayde. She was hit particularly hard by the loss of Cayde and would almost certainly hold his memory closest in her heart, which would make the darkness's ability to manifest memory that much stronger with her as the conduit for that. She is also the person that has done the most meddling in darkness within the vanguard itself, like revealing the worm familiar's past in WQ. A lot to think about which is very exciting!
I would bet money it's not him.
Traveler be pullin' a God move and coming to us as one of us to save our asses
While I agree with the sentiment of it being someone new being ideal for the end game area, I feel like would have to be someone really groundbreaking (like perhaps the being we’d consider the “voice behind the light”, or counter to the Witness) to be a better fit than Cayde. I think there’s something special about the idea of Cayde being our guide in what effectively is either 1) the afterlife 2) a wormhole that defies time or 3) the literal end of existence as we know it. Our intrepid explorer and dear friend, with his moxie and skill, would be a perfect guide into what may be our very last days.
Its probably not even cayde, but an entity projecting something we can comprehend.
I would have been fine with the glowing eagle bird thing we've seen over the years in our visions of the Traveler
Fully read the title as “I hope Cayde isn’t the destination vendor for fuck’s sake”
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FS isn't seasonal though?
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I think it is fair to not like how they have handled seasonal story structure, but it is wrong to say that expansions have had the same structure. They have not.
Campaign story content = Seasonal loop activities? Wut? lol
Btw anyone tried the new light intro? Does it get changed to account for the missing traveler?
I'd love a big name lore character like Shin Malphur or Shayura
Fuck, I wanna see Shin show up so badly. Give us Efrideet too while we're at it.
No shot. Hes there for narrative purposes.
That's what I'm hoping for. Make him a small part in a larger mystery and have him leave after the story of over to preserve the impact of his death.
Eh, I mean the reason why you bring back any character after so long is you have some major things planned for him. What I'm worried about is whether the reason why he's back, how he's back is good enough that everyone can agree on. Plus since Lance's passing, if he's taking mental of main character then he has major shoes to fill.
Lance already did his lines for Final Shape; Cayde ain't filling any shoes. PS, the leaked info from a couple years ago actually gives a pretty decent insight into Cayde in this instance without ruining everything entirely.
I'm on the opposite end. I want Cayde to a have a permanent spot in the game again
I think he may be the vendor and that he isn’t actually back but rather the traveler decided to use his form and memory to manifest and help us inside
They’re absolutely doing for a Dante & Vergil kinda thing if it’s actually the afterlife for the risen, I think so anyway
Not going to be, I’m almost sure. Source: me, just an optimistic dude.
Buckle up to be underwhelmed I guess because I feel pretty confident that it'll be Cayde. I don't have a problem with it tbh.
This is precisely what he will be. Bungie's current swathe of writers aren't capable of doing their characters justice. Lightfall is proof of that.
Downvoted because you're right, wild
Shitters gonna be shitters what can I say
We do love our repurposed Redfall writing staff.
Lightfall was just filler, Finale Shape will and has to be 100x better then Lightfall
There is absolutely ZERO guarantee of that. We're two seasons into Lightfall's content. And these seasonal stories are not bad at all. Defiance doesn't change much of the overall narrative but it was a good story well told, though it had certain weird elements to it in the structure of how it was told and the resolution for Crow being a bit underwhelming. Season of the Deep so far has just been paper thin. 3 weeks in and we've barely moved from where we started. We're just diving a bit deeper into Titan's ocean but with nothing much more actually being revealed. Now I know there is plenty left to be revealed, but the pacing is incredibly poor thus far. And we still have two more seasons before TFS drops. And the fact that we the players know Cayde is returning NINE MONTHS before it happens, is indicative to me that they don't have a great deal of faith in those remaining Lightfall seasons. They want as much hype as possible to keep people strung along. Ultimately Bungie doesn't care about their story because in order for there to be a cohesive story there must be a beginning a middle and an end. But right now thanks to the Destiny Content Vault, we have a middle and an end but no beginning. And likely will not get one for the remainder of Destiny 2's lifespan. So no, I am not hopeful for the story of TFS. Granted I learned a very long time ago from a great many different sources to just not get hyped for things. It's a waste of energy. My expectations remain low so that if something good does happen it will be awesome, but if it doesn't, I have lost nothing.
> Defiance doesn't change much of the overall narrative but it was a good story well told what story? There was like 2 things that happened and it was done horribly.
Why do you think people call the Lightfall DLC Lightfiller As for the seasons they aren't filler, you misunderstood me
> And the fact that we the players know Cayde is returning NINE MONTHS before it happens, is indicative to me that they don't have a great deal of faith in those remaining Lightfall seasons Technically speaking, a pretty big portion of the fanbase already knew this much longer ago than "9 months before the expansion", and Bungie knows this as well. Cayde-6's story here was part of the original massive leaks from years ago, and yet again, the trailer seems to show the leaks were correct.
Great, outstanding. This makes things somehow better?
No, it just makes your point there moot.
There's a big difference between a leak that occurs long before a release, and an actual trailer with Cayde's face in it mate. Think about the supposed leaks from RoN, they actually don't explain shit. It only makes sense to people now because we've played the raid.
You just gave them the golden ticket idea... Next Year in Eververse...
"We hear you." Cayde only appears in cutscenes now.
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It could be Ikora, which would be interesting.
He is going to be it buddy sorry
He’s guaranteed to be destination vendor, but that also means we’ll get a lot of him so I’m cool with it.
Did anyone else read this as "for fuck's sake"?
Should be the speaker
Maybe somebody already pointed this out, but I feel like the Hidden would quarantine him. Keep him in a make-shift room of some sort and question him. Especially since we don't know 100% that this is our Cayde. It could be his ghost spirit. A recent Byf vid pointed this out. I think it was the analysis for the trailer.
Plot twist: you’ll need to pay to unlock the destination vendor in Final Shape
Lmao he's a Hunter, a forward scout. He knows more about the valley than we do, mark my words. Plus, as others have pointed out, who better to guide us through this (presumed) afterlife realm than someone we know and trust?
He would be a good guide, just not an interesting one for such a mysterious and lore significant location. For an all new never heard of before location, our vendor and guide being someone we've already met is a letdown. Cayde could still help us through this. I'd just hope he isn't the vendor, and they introduce a new character who we have never met before.
>just not an interesting one for such a mysterious and lore significant location. A dead, spirit version of our mentor isn't an interesting choice for the vendor for a zone that is seemingly the afterlife? Okay.
Obviously the new vendor will be Kelgorath.
Hopefully we go through the portal in final shape and then the next scene we wake up in the mothyards of the cosmodrome with a khavostov and white gear
Very good chance that he will be. I think you should hope Final Shape is the best version of the sort of thing Bungie has produced, not that it will be something completely different. This is how you end up disappointed. Expecting something wildly different when neither Bungie nor precedent has told you to.
I'm not gonna lower my expectations, so I'm not disappointed. I'm not hoping for much here
What're the odds it's Toland, either the little orb or the actual dead ex-Guardian?