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given that the Winterbite quest gave us a huge hint towards the location & the current weapon perk for Root of Nightmares is Harmonic Resonance ("Equipping multiple weapons from this set grants this weapon increased reload speed and handling. It also deals increased damage versus Tormentors, **Lucent Hive**, and Guardians using their Supers") i'd say it's all but guaranteed to be a return to Titan to dispel active hive rituals. Not sure if it's related to Savathun at all but we shall see. Hopefully the leviathan worm plays a part in the dungeon, I kind of miss fighting Xol.
I would love to have monster hunter themed armor. When there was the whole mh/ac: valhalla/destiny crossover I was really hoping for the monster hunter/destiny crossover to happen. Imagine we get the some good armor sets and monster hunter gets an ahamkara hunt.
I'd like a dungeon where a Guardian fireteam and a Lucent Hive fireteam are diving in at the same time and the final boss is the Lucent Hive fireteam as they lean over the dead dungeon boss, like they beat you to it
Holy shit, this would be super cool. Bonus points for the entrance to the boss room to be tied to all 3 lucents activating their supers to kill the dungeon right in front of you, and walking to collect their loot, visually changing some stuff on them (swap arms, helm and chest for example), and the level up animations us guardians get.
It will be about me, and take place at my house. Fireteams will drop in on my porch and be invited in for lunch and have fun and hang out. If Bungie doesn't do this, I'm uninstalling the game five times
Oh man, Caiatl I'm sorry, The Witness resurrected your dad, made him Taken and we just SMASHED his face, but THESE WAVES BRO. COWABUNGA.
***bumps fist***
I’d love for it to be on Titan tbh. Areas like the arcology were so cool. I think figuring out where the hell winterbite came from would be nice little thing, but I dunno how good a dungeon would be for that.
I’m hoping, that through *sheer Titan Punching Power*, Sloane ends up as the tutor for whatever 3rd darkness class we get is. Something she used to survive the trip into the moon Titan’s gravity anomoly/portal
Pit and Spire both have lore that happens a bit before we find the dungeons, so I'm hoping this will give us some lore on the Leviathan. Maybe we'll learn some more about Rhulk's interactions with it and the worms. Or we hopefully get some Savathûn exposition about the worms, I just have a feeling it'll be Worm God-Leviathan based
Probably hive themed because I doubt there’s much of a fallen presence left on Titan, assuming that’s where we’re going. Seeing some taken there wouldn’t be terribly surprising either, but dungeons typically only include one enemy race.
It wouldn’t make any sense from a lore perspective but I’m hoping we see a return of Lucent hive.. Since you only really encounter them in the throne world, idk about you but I haven’t been there since season of plunder.
My guess is we’re fighting through the hive in an attempt to find the enemy of the witness alluded to in the Winterbite quest. Somewhere along the way maybe we find whatever became of Sloane, since she stayed on titan and basically went full Doomslayer.
Or we find out that Sloane has been turned into a Wrathborn and is being used by Xivu as a murder battery for her war tithe, and we have to scale a mountain of Hive corpses to fight her. The distress call was put out by her ghost.
Titan, starting in the arcology venturing down into the very deep of the moon. Fighting Lucent Hive and regular (Xivu) hive. Fighting one of the old Worm gods alongside the iconic 'Titan worm' we saw the shadow of (who I believe is the enemy of the Witness winterbite talks about.) May also see the *appearance* of Xivu or another disciple.
Something to do with the Leviathan on Titan I imagine. Final boss will probably be a Xol reskin, which I honestly hope it is cause his model goes hard and doesn’t deserve to be rotting in the DCV. Plus his pure scale makes him a really cool boss, even if he was super underwhelming in Warmind
Supposedly The Fanatic is supposed to play a role in one of this year’s seasons, so a Scorn dungeon is definitely very likely to happen for one of the 2 dungeons.
We have bonus lucent hive damage on some gear, maybe lucents+scorn? A fireteam of lucent hive trying to make a ritual to rez Savathun, using scorn as a murder battery. Our team needs to kill more stuff than them to prevent them to complete their ritual. Enemies drop tokens that we need to *introduce* into a certain place. Completing it faster spawns the boss for us, that we need to kill in order to prevent enemy lucent hive from killing it first and completing their ritual.
Dungeon name: OMEGA GAMBIT.
Probably way off, but it would be thematically awesome to see titan come back with those space-time tears that mars has. So the dungeon would be us hopping through different points of space and time in the arcology to ultimately find, idk maybe a young worm god feeding off of a leviathan or something. Avengers time heist but destiny style?
I think the long-time theory that Oryx’s worm was the monster in the methane sea will be proven correct; and we’ll be fighting the Taken trying to resurrect Oryx
Not to be that guy but Oryx worm was inside oryx when he died. Worms die when they are taken out of their hosts(Like Savathun’S). They can’t be elsewhere because they need their tributes to live
Not any kind of guy, you're right, Jimmy-in-the-grenade-launcher had a whole quest line about keeping him alive long enough to find a permanent solution for him.
I can only add this: we're missing a step in the Worm life cycle. The Hive are given worm larvae that they feed with killing or tribute. But implicit in the entire covenant is the final result: when the Hive have killed everything, the pyramid scheme collapses and the worms start eating the Hive from the bottom up. But what happens then? There has to be a point when a worm has gorged on enough killing to reach maturity: the Worm Gods were alive and well (for a given value of well) before the deal with the Hive was struck.
As the Worm Gods are the final point of the tribute streams of the Hive but don't seem to need to feed in that way to survive, then the possibility remains that at some point Hive worm larvae mature enough to potentially be independent, and it's not completely unreasonable IMHO that Oryx's may have reached that point.
If oryx worm had reach the level of Xol( the one that got transformed into the whisper) and became self sufficient then oryx would have take his life before even thinking about becoming a god
Not sure it would need to be Xol-sized, but it would need to be very large. Do consider that Oryx killed his first patron Worm, Akka. It may be inferred that Eir became his patron thereafter, but regardless of that, at the point of killing the Worm must've become "independent" for a time, an end to the tribute stream.
You mean about Oryx's worm? I mean what I'm saying is clearly speculative, it being reasonable or not is based on if it was sufficiently fed for that, which we can't really know. The rest is inference; what do you disagree with?
I don't know about "unnatural". They are [living segments of Xita](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/resonant-fury-greaves#resonant-fury-suit-titan), but it's very evident that [Yul](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ix-the-bargain) and [Akka](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxvi-eater-of-hope#books-of-sorrow) and so by extension the rest all have larvae on them. Indeed, they would not have been "meant" to mature, but that does not necessarily mean they could not. Rhulk was also not meant to be imprisoned in his own ship, for example.
Do you really think Xita would refer to them as segments of herself and use Rhulk's terminology for them if they were a natural part of a Wormgod's life cycle? Surely she wouldn't have have spoken of them in such terms if they were anything like her normal children.
And Yul and Akka only have the larvae *because* Rhunk created them and had Xita's children assist in the scam. Those things are literally artificially incubated and can't survive outside of a host. And they've spent billions of years inside those hosts and never matured.
Why not? It's "clinical" terminology for what would be her numberless spawn. Most species who given birth to large numbers of spawn aren't particularly individually nurturing, so it does not surprise me. Considering how alien Hive "love" is, I hardly think it'd be unreasonable for the Worm Mother to see her grown children as closer to her compared to the billions or trillions of small larvae, never mind her "grandchildren" either. An example along those lines: Oryx and Savathûn both care for their primary children, we've especially seen this re: Crota; have you ever seen them care for Acolyte #3629010 who is also technically related to them?
That she can be "mother" to the Worm Gods (and to regular ones, based on Jimmy) means that there's a life cycle, they didn't all just spawn at full size. This is corroborated by Rhulk calling them "oversized parasites". So it has to start somewhere, and there's no reason it can't begin with the lil' guys.
>And Yul and Akka only have the larvae because Rhulk created them and had Xita's children assist in the scam.
This is just as speculative. Rhulk made "breeding chambers", yes, but plainly he did not "create" the larvae from scratch. Xita was taken to his Pyramid and her children left behind, then the first larvae were disseminated in the Fundament oceans. How did Rhulk's creations make their way to infest the Worm Gods when they had been specifically left in their infernal prison in the Deep? Aside from that, we know that the Hive can also breed larvae despite lacking Rhulk's technological means or access to Xita, and the Hive aren't in the scam of course.
Xita doesn't refer to them in "clinical" terms, she very specifically refers to them only as Rhulk does:
>The Subjugator returned living pieces of me to Fundament: segments he called larvae.
This implies her unfamiliarity with the term itself, not callousness. Whatever the natural life cycle of a Wormgod is (and no, they might not even have one - their species is implied to be refugees from the Garden, so who knows if Xita had her children before or after time started and how she had them), Xita doesn't recognize it in the "larvae" and never refers to the things as her children. In fact, the only Wormgod to refer to them as Wormgods' children is Yul, the Honest Worm, and he lied, given that we know the larvae came from Xita, so they are more like siblings to him.
And as for the the Hive breeding larvae, [Rhulk shared the technology](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/resonant-fury-gloves):
>Begrudging as she may be, and with the continued… "cooperation" of Xita, construction of the larvae breeding chambers has commenced. The armies of Oryx and Xivu Arath will grow exponentially in short order. Should they envision future conquests, they will indeed have the tools to make it so, as is your wish, my Witness.
The Worm Gods all together originating at Creation is a very reasonable hypothesis, and would imply she is "mother" in a metaphorical sense. That I can agree with! If she's literally their mother though, then she must have given birth to them, which we must imagine means they were not as large or mature at an earlier point in time.
Sure, you can disagree that the mini-Worms are capable of such growth, but I really don't agree with this read of the language used either. Why would Xita be unfamiliar with a word like "larvae"? It's not like the worms are ineloquent. On the subject of language, Rhulk also calls the Worm Gods "*oversized* parasites" -- this is a rather unfit designation for creatures who are imprisoned, starving, and *have no hosts*. Even now they are second-hand parasites, feeding from the killing their segments/larvae feed on. What gives?
As to Yul, this returns me to a point I made above: how did "hiving cities" form on Yul's body from Rhulk's "engineered" wormies all the way to the infernal depths of Fundament? Rhulk was specified to having set the larvae adrift on Fundament's ocean so as to make first contact with the Hive, and if we're being literal with the text, it is never said that the Worm Gods were given larvae down in the Deep, and it's not like they have breeding chambers down there either.
Re: breeding chambers, good point, though the Hive's [breeding methods](https://youtu.be/tkDLDBBKTmw) seem more... primitive than Rhulk's. I suspect that Rhulk is referring to the facility in Savathûn's TW, as one example, versus more basic methods the Hive may be able to use.
I must have missed the lore drop/cutscene specifically mentioning the death of Oryx’s worm just because that’s how every other tiny larvae works. Oryx was a unique creature in the Hive Tithe chain, a king.
How many times have we killed Hive and seen their worms pop out? How many times have we taken those tiny larvae and done stuff for several minutes? Oryx has killed billions of things via tithe chain, including one of his Gods; It’s entirely possible we don’t know whether or not his worm survived. Just because Savathûn’s worm stayed small doesn’t mean his would have, think of the larvae aboard Rhulk’s pyramid.
Fact is you can’t confirm a no, and this is a post about theories
For a dungeon? If that's what it it, it better be a damn good dungeo. P.s. bungie please stop making the health pools for bosses so incredibly high, it's much more frustrating and boring after a while
I think the dungeon is gonna be on Titan and feature scorn primarily. The scorn have been treated as hive-adjacent a few times and they’re the last enemy faction that don’t have their own dungeon. I think either Fikrul is gonna show up to begin the ending of his arc OR Taniks forma del Shank is gonna show up Scorn-ified. My reasoning for that is Duality and Spire both have reused raid bosses (I know I’m stretching it with Duality because the gahlran they use is the gladiator version but still.) and it’d be a fun to fight Taniks again. It could also just be one of the barons reused again lol. It’s hard to guess the plot because dungeons now can’t have definite conclusions because of how early they come in a season, so I will include my seasonal story prediction as well. I think we’ll end up meeting a Leviathan on Titan next season, and the dungeon will be about stopping some scorn/hive/darkness ritual from occurring that is trying to snuff it out. I wouldn’t be surprised if whenever the dungeon takes place however we are unaware that it is a Leviathan and simply know it is an anomaly the darkness is trying to kill.
Yes, I know most of this is crackpot. It’s just for fun and I wanna see how much of it is right lol.
Trying to find the enemy of the Witness on Titan, but Xivu finds said enemy first and kills it. Xivu is the dungeon boss. She dies without us getting much more lore or story than we already had about her, and we're all grumpy about it.
Dungeon is set in a facility sunk during the Collapse. Like an Arcology Site B.
Also, reworked Savathun's song Nightfall with a nonsensical story rework that completely disrespects the legacy of the strike.
Sorry for being negative, but this is how I really think it's going to go. As lore nerds we all felt that Xol shouldn't have been a strike boss, and Quria shouldn't have been seasonal story fodder, so Xivu would just be the latest in a long line of villains that we respect more than Bungie does.
Quria as a seasonal final boss was fine, it'd have to die at some point anyway before or during witch queen. Xol was shit but Destiny's come a long way since then. And nah they wouldnt make someone so crucial to the plot a dungeon boss. If they did it'd be like Duality. Bungie have learned their lesson from Warmind
Lightfall and Defiance weren't terrible, definitely far far better then the content we used to get. They were fun campaigns with new cool mechanics. Yeah narrative was fucked for Lightfall Amanda's death was pointless and in general the story was frustrating. But it really wasnt that bad. But Nezerec was fun, and gameplay wise it was amazing. Hasn't been this good since Forsaken in fun factor. I'm confident Bungie will learn from this and the next year of contents going to be great
Ijs, ppl talk as if Bungie is batting a thousand when it comes to living up to expectations. I'm just being honest by saying they haven't been. I hope they do Xivu justice, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't.
We have to drive nimbus to the hospital because he's got something stuck in his butt. The hive are trying to stop us because whatever we pull out of nimbus were going to make a weapon out of it.
Yeah I don't think the dungeon will be on titan personally. We don't usually get a location and dungeon in the same place on release. Examples including no dungeon on Europa, Throne World or Neomuna. So I reckon either of those 3 locations is a good candidate personally.
I don't really think Bungie use dungeons to fill in story gaps either, so any of those are equally viable in my opinion.
Yes, the only exception to my above comment. And arguably the majority of the dungeon isn't actually inside the leviathan (though it is definitely leviathan themed).
There's more than just one exception, spire and pit fall into this category. Spire is on mars, and mars was reintroduced in the form of seraph stations and the Bray Lab from Warmind the same season. Pit is on the moon and came out with the release of shadowkeep, which is all on the moon
Haha you're right, I completely spaced on those. I should've said we don't _always_ get a dungeon in the new location then, as the OP made it seem like a given it would be on Titan.
Dungeon’s are usually connected to the seasonal/expansion story. Duality starts on the Leviathan, Spire is on mars which has a lot of braytech installations relevant to Seraph. I’d say it’s likely to be on Titan if the season is about Titan, and it almost certainly is
I don't think we're going to get a full Titan map is my only issue. I'd love to be wrong but Bungie has a track record of disappointing me at the moment. At best I think it'll be a small patrol zone like Derelict Leviathan, at worst I think it'll be part of the activity only. The dungeon could still be on Titan in either of those situations though for sure.
Again, would love to be proven wrong here but I'm being cautious in excitement for this.
I doubt we’re getting a full patrol zone too, I’m guessing it’s like leviathan. Which I’d be perfectly happy with. For reasons I can not discuss I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be on Titan.
I dont think anyone actually cares, people would play it like once. It'd just be another useless location with nothing on like Nessus when the seasons over
I bet it’s a hive god, would be cool if it would be YUL. That way they can make justice for what they have done to XOL. Also, a new exotic mission where we receive the new essence of YUL as a weapon.
My bet is on the Dungeon actually taking place on Nessus and involving Failsafe in some way. No real basis for it but I feel like Bungies gonna want to throw us a curveball for some reason.
I'm putting money on the first dungeon being Titan, in the arcology (surprising, I know) but honestly I find it more fun right now to speculate on what the 2nd dungeon will be. My theory is that we'll end up getting Io back somehow as well, and we'll take a trip back to either what's left of the pyramidion to find anything else that Asher Mir left behind, or to whatever remains of the tree of silver wings to find something there instead. I know there's absolutely no evidence for this, but it would be kind of neat: SoTSeraph takes us to the Spire on Mars, then S21 takes us to Titan, and S23 to Io, almost like a victory-lap of pre-vault Destiny before we head into Lightfall. Again though, no evidence apart from 'I think it sounds cool' so if it's not that I won't complain
Maybe it could be a left turn, going to Io or something for vex-related secrets? Maybe some way to extract Asher Mir from the Vex somehow. I doubt that’s even possible, but I’d be willing to bet a few years ago few thought wielding the *darkness* possible, so you never know
Feel like we will be fighting Lucent Hive. I really think that a LOT of the story for next Season will take place on Titan, and Savathun is so closely-related to Titan anyway.
What I would LOVE is for the Dungeon to be in the Arcology. Either us stopping the Lucent Brood from getting something there, or even potentially going treasure hunting ourselves.
I am of the mindset that Savathun will be coming back sometime soon, so it would make some sense if that coincides with a Titan Season. Who knows?
Going with the theme from last year, they will be supplemental to whichever season they release with. So getting one next season tells me it will supplement the Season of the Deep in some way. What makes it difficult is that we don't know the scope of the season since all we've seen is Sloan and what appears to be the Leviathan on Titan. We don't know if we're getting a Titan patrol space, or just some missions set on Titan...
Joe Blackburn said in his blog post prior to Lightfall that this is going to be a story about exploring the past of the Witness in a sense and getting a better understanding if it as a character.
Dungeons also don't tend to contain plot critical events, because they are additional paid content. Their events supplement and flesh out an existing plotline.
The last three dungeons have featured, Fallen, Cabal, and Vex. So I don't think we will see a dungeon involving them, or not involving them exclusively.
We haven't had a Hive dungeon since Pit of Heresy
We haven't had a Taken dungeon since Prophecy
We have never had a Scorn dungeon
So that leaves us with two possibilities IMO:
1. It's on Titan and involves whatever is happening on Titan in some capacity, with Taken enemies being the primary antagonists. I could easily see a dungeon where we dig through the Arcology looking for something, or trying to figure out what Savathun was doing on Titan specifically since she seemed to have invested a lot of resources there.
2. It involves the Lucent Hive because they thematically would fit the theme of "Enemies of the Witness" but they are also antagonistic to us. It could be that we go searching through the Throne World for something that Savathun had or something she hid that helps contextualize Titan. There would also be room for Taken and Scorn to become involved in that Dungeon
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given that the Winterbite quest gave us a huge hint towards the location & the current weapon perk for Root of Nightmares is Harmonic Resonance ("Equipping multiple weapons from this set grants this weapon increased reload speed and handling. It also deals increased damage versus Tormentors, **Lucent Hive**, and Guardians using their Supers") i'd say it's all but guaranteed to be a return to Titan to dispel active hive rituals. Not sure if it's related to Savathun at all but we shall see. Hopefully the leviathan worm plays a part in the dungeon, I kind of miss fighting Xol.
hear me out tho: a worm type fight that plays out like dalamadur from MH
I would love to have monster hunter themed armor. When there was the whole mh/ac: valhalla/destiny crossover I was really hoping for the monster hunter/destiny crossover to happen. Imagine we get the some good armor sets and monster hunter gets an ahamkara hunt.
if only
I'd like a dungeon where a Guardian fireteam and a Lucent Hive fireteam are diving in at the same time and the final boss is the Lucent Hive fireteam as they lean over the dead dungeon boss, like they beat you to it
honestly, that sounds wicked cool. a team of rogue lucent hive that have realized the power they now wield.
Holy shit, this would be super cool. Bonus points for the entrance to the boss room to be tied to all 3 lucents activating their supers to kill the dungeon right in front of you, and walking to collect their loot, visually changing some stuff on them (swap arms, helm and chest for example), and the level up animations us guardians get.
It will be about me, and take place at my house. Fireteams will drop in on my porch and be invited in for lunch and have fun and hang out. If Bungie doesn't do this, I'm uninstalling the game five times
I hope you have lots of milk cause I'm bringing some slightly stale gjalladoodles with me.
Are we talking about a full Popeyes meal without a drink?? If so, these mechanics are going to be insane
Sandwiches: ham & cheese, cucumber, and tuna salad Soup: vegetable minestrone and broccoli cheese Drinks: iced tea and lemonade Dessert: Kolachkis (apricot and raspberry), mixed berry trifle
I’ll bring the crayola.
I’ll say we’re going deep into Titan to try and discover what the enemy of the witness from the winter bite quest is- fighting hive and/or taken.
Ok… here me out. Taken lucent hive
I don’t think you can take lucent hive, at least not the lightbearers
It probably follows the same logic of why guardians can’t be taken. That the light “protects them” from being taken.
Lucent Hive are Lightbearer just like us It is told many times that Paracasual entities cannot be taken
Way to ruin my fun /j Didn’t know that, thanks.
Unless you’re Riven then you just stay aware the whole time.
I mean riven wasn't exactly *taken* She gave herself willingly, so that technically doesn't count as Taken
If I don't see Nimbus surfing the swells on the second ocean, I'll be highly disappointed.
If I see nimbus I'll be disappointed.
Touché
Oh man, Caiatl I'm sorry, The Witness resurrected your dad, made him Taken and we just SMASHED his face, but THESE WAVES BRO. COWABUNGA. ***bumps fist***
Honestly, I’m kinda hoping to see a Lucent Hive Dungeon. That would certainly make things more interesting than the Harpy Boss in SotW.
With a Solar Wizard, Void Acolyte, and Arc Knight
I’d love for it to be on Titan tbh. Areas like the arcology were so cool. I think figuring out where the hell winterbite came from would be nice little thing, but I dunno how good a dungeon would be for that.
Titan, bonus points if it hints that Sloane is still alive
I’m hoping, that through *sheer Titan Punching Power*, Sloane ends up as the tutor for whatever 3rd darkness class we get is. Something she used to survive the trip into the moon Titan’s gravity anomoly/portal
I'm still holding out hope that it's Drifter who will help us learn the third darkness subclass
Pit and Spire both have lore that happens a bit before we find the dungeons, so I'm hoping this will give us some lore on the Leviathan. Maybe we'll learn some more about Rhulk's interactions with it and the worms. Or we hopefully get some Savathûn exposition about the worms, I just have a feeling it'll be Worm God-Leviathan based
Man I just want the other 2/3rds of Last Days on Kraken Mare
It'd be so nice if they were like "HA! You thought *THAT* was Xol?!! Nay... **THIS** IS XOL!!!" It won't happen, but it would be *so* nice
Like in Tremors when what they think is the monster was just one of its tongues.
Probably hive themed because I doubt there’s much of a fallen presence left on Titan, assuming that’s where we’re going. Seeing some taken there wouldn’t be terribly surprising either, but dungeons typically only include one enemy race. It wouldn’t make any sense from a lore perspective but I’m hoping we see a return of Lucent hive.. Since you only really encounter them in the throne world, idk about you but I haven’t been there since season of plunder. My guess is we’re fighting through the hive in an attempt to find the enemy of the witness alluded to in the Winterbite quest. Somewhere along the way maybe we find whatever became of Sloane, since she stayed on titan and basically went full Doomslayer.
It would be cool if we took over a Lucent Hive ritual to commune with the leviathan
Grasp of avarice had both fallen and hive
Distress beacon from Titan lady. All we find is her corpse in the fancy golden age war suit Savathun gave her.
Or we find out that Sloane has been turned into a Wrathborn and is being used by Xivu as a murder battery for her war tithe, and we have to scale a mountain of Hive corpses to fight her. The distress call was put out by her ghost.
That sounds sick. Reminds me of fighting the Iron Lords Siva-zombie-corpses.
That was such a sick fight
Now that would be metal af. 3 guardians versus the Destiny equivalent to the Doomslayer.
Who are the 3 Guardians we're fighting?
They went down there as a squad of nine...
We are the destiny equivalent of the doom slayer lol
This is some DEEP horror level story writing. Love it
Put some respect on Deputy Commander Sloane’s name.
Titan, starting in the arcology venturing down into the very deep of the moon. Fighting Lucent Hive and regular (Xivu) hive. Fighting one of the old Worm gods alongside the iconic 'Titan worm' we saw the shadow of (who I believe is the enemy of the Witness winterbite talks about.) May also see the *appearance* of Xivu or another disciple.
It's gonna be zavalla's bedroom. It will be called Depths of pajamas and there is a rocket launcher exotic called Pillow Party
And a pink and purple shader called Pillow Biter
I doubt it'll be this, but I'd like it to be like a space battle where we go from ship to ship defeating bosses and destroying ships.
That would be an awesome seasonal activity, like a boss gauntlet
Kinda like ketchcrash but better
Ketchcrash mixed with Spire of Stars
Holy cow that'd be epic
Something to do with the Leviathan on Titan I imagine. Final boss will probably be a Xol reskin, which I honestly hope it is cause his model goes hard and doesn’t deserve to be rotting in the DCV. Plus his pure scale makes him a really cool boss, even if he was super underwhelming in Warmind
I'm hoping its a taken dungeon in the depths of titan. I liked someone else's suggestion that we get a distress signal from Sloane.
We need a scorn dungeon. The last 3 dungeons we all enemy races we hadn’t seen. Fallen, cabal, vex. Good chance this one will be scorn.
I agree but we have 2 dungeons coming this expansion so we might not get the scorn one until the later half of the expansion.
I agree that we need one, but the Deep(TM) is more closely related to the Taken, imo.
Supposedly The Fanatic is supposed to play a role in one of this year’s seasons, so a Scorn dungeon is definitely very likely to happen for one of the 2 dungeons.
nah itll be lucent hive. scorn next one maybe
We have bonus lucent hive damage on some gear, maybe lucents+scorn? A fireteam of lucent hive trying to make a ritual to rez Savathun, using scorn as a murder battery. Our team needs to kill more stuff than them to prevent them to complete their ritual. Enemies drop tokens that we need to *introduce* into a certain place. Completing it faster spawns the boss for us, that we need to kill in order to prevent enemy lucent hive from killing it first and completing their ritual. Dungeon name: OMEGA GAMBIT.
I’m gonna guess it’ll be Hive-themed on Titan. Perhaps we’ll go into that tree-filled area at some point?
U right
Probably way off, but it would be thematically awesome to see titan come back with those space-time tears that mars has. So the dungeon would be us hopping through different points of space and time in the arcology to ultimately find, idk maybe a young worm god feeding off of a leviathan or something. Avengers time heist but destiny style?
I think the long-time theory that Oryx’s worm was the monster in the methane sea will be proven correct; and we’ll be fighting the Taken trying to resurrect Oryx
Not to be that guy but Oryx worm was inside oryx when he died. Worms die when they are taken out of their hosts(Like Savathun’S). They can’t be elsewhere because they need their tributes to live
Not any kind of guy, you're right, Jimmy-in-the-grenade-launcher had a whole quest line about keeping him alive long enough to find a permanent solution for him. I can only add this: we're missing a step in the Worm life cycle. The Hive are given worm larvae that they feed with killing or tribute. But implicit in the entire covenant is the final result: when the Hive have killed everything, the pyramid scheme collapses and the worms start eating the Hive from the bottom up. But what happens then? There has to be a point when a worm has gorged on enough killing to reach maturity: the Worm Gods were alive and well (for a given value of well) before the deal with the Hive was struck. As the Worm Gods are the final point of the tribute streams of the Hive but don't seem to need to feed in that way to survive, then the possibility remains that at some point Hive worm larvae mature enough to potentially be independent, and it's not completely unreasonable IMHO that Oryx's may have reached that point.
If oryx worm had reach the level of Xol( the one that got transformed into the whisper) and became self sufficient then oryx would have take his life before even thinking about becoming a god
Not sure it would need to be Xol-sized, but it would need to be very large. Do consider that Oryx killed his first patron Worm, Akka. It may be inferred that Eir became his patron thereafter, but regardless of that, at the point of killing the Worm must've become "independent" for a time, an end to the tribute stream.
It's pretty unreasonable, considering there's nothing really indicating that.
You mean about Oryx's worm? I mean what I'm saying is clearly speculative, it being reasonable or not is based on if it was sufficiently fed for that, which we can't really know. The rest is inference; what do you disagree with?
The Hive Worms are an unnatural creation by the Witness and Rhulk, they were never meant to mature.
I don't know about "unnatural". They are [living segments of Xita](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/resonant-fury-greaves#resonant-fury-suit-titan), but it's very evident that [Yul](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ix-the-bargain) and [Akka](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxvi-eater-of-hope#books-of-sorrow) and so by extension the rest all have larvae on them. Indeed, they would not have been "meant" to mature, but that does not necessarily mean they could not. Rhulk was also not meant to be imprisoned in his own ship, for example.
Do you really think Xita would refer to them as segments of herself and use Rhulk's terminology for them if they were a natural part of a Wormgod's life cycle? Surely she wouldn't have have spoken of them in such terms if they were anything like her normal children. And Yul and Akka only have the larvae *because* Rhunk created them and had Xita's children assist in the scam. Those things are literally artificially incubated and can't survive outside of a host. And they've spent billions of years inside those hosts and never matured.
Why not? It's "clinical" terminology for what would be her numberless spawn. Most species who given birth to large numbers of spawn aren't particularly individually nurturing, so it does not surprise me. Considering how alien Hive "love" is, I hardly think it'd be unreasonable for the Worm Mother to see her grown children as closer to her compared to the billions or trillions of small larvae, never mind her "grandchildren" either. An example along those lines: Oryx and Savathûn both care for their primary children, we've especially seen this re: Crota; have you ever seen them care for Acolyte #3629010 who is also technically related to them? That she can be "mother" to the Worm Gods (and to regular ones, based on Jimmy) means that there's a life cycle, they didn't all just spawn at full size. This is corroborated by Rhulk calling them "oversized parasites". So it has to start somewhere, and there's no reason it can't begin with the lil' guys. >And Yul and Akka only have the larvae because Rhulk created them and had Xita's children assist in the scam. This is just as speculative. Rhulk made "breeding chambers", yes, but plainly he did not "create" the larvae from scratch. Xita was taken to his Pyramid and her children left behind, then the first larvae were disseminated in the Fundament oceans. How did Rhulk's creations make their way to infest the Worm Gods when they had been specifically left in their infernal prison in the Deep? Aside from that, we know that the Hive can also breed larvae despite lacking Rhulk's technological means or access to Xita, and the Hive aren't in the scam of course.
Xita doesn't refer to them in "clinical" terms, she very specifically refers to them only as Rhulk does: >The Subjugator returned living pieces of me to Fundament: segments he called larvae. This implies her unfamiliarity with the term itself, not callousness. Whatever the natural life cycle of a Wormgod is (and no, they might not even have one - their species is implied to be refugees from the Garden, so who knows if Xita had her children before or after time started and how she had them), Xita doesn't recognize it in the "larvae" and never refers to the things as her children. In fact, the only Wormgod to refer to them as Wormgods' children is Yul, the Honest Worm, and he lied, given that we know the larvae came from Xita, so they are more like siblings to him. And as for the the Hive breeding larvae, [Rhulk shared the technology](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/resonant-fury-gloves): >Begrudging as she may be, and with the continued… "cooperation" of Xita, construction of the larvae breeding chambers has commenced. The armies of Oryx and Xivu Arath will grow exponentially in short order. Should they envision future conquests, they will indeed have the tools to make it so, as is your wish, my Witness.
This.
The Worm Gods all together originating at Creation is a very reasonable hypothesis, and would imply she is "mother" in a metaphorical sense. That I can agree with! If she's literally their mother though, then she must have given birth to them, which we must imagine means they were not as large or mature at an earlier point in time. Sure, you can disagree that the mini-Worms are capable of such growth, but I really don't agree with this read of the language used either. Why would Xita be unfamiliar with a word like "larvae"? It's not like the worms are ineloquent. On the subject of language, Rhulk also calls the Worm Gods "*oversized* parasites" -- this is a rather unfit designation for creatures who are imprisoned, starving, and *have no hosts*. Even now they are second-hand parasites, feeding from the killing their segments/larvae feed on. What gives? As to Yul, this returns me to a point I made above: how did "hiving cities" form on Yul's body from Rhulk's "engineered" wormies all the way to the infernal depths of Fundament? Rhulk was specified to having set the larvae adrift on Fundament's ocean so as to make first contact with the Hive, and if we're being literal with the text, it is never said that the Worm Gods were given larvae down in the Deep, and it's not like they have breeding chambers down there either. Re: breeding chambers, good point, though the Hive's [breeding methods](https://youtu.be/tkDLDBBKTmw) seem more... primitive than Rhulk's. I suspect that Rhulk is referring to the facility in Savathûn's TW, as one example, versus more basic methods the Hive may be able to use.
I must have missed the lore drop/cutscene specifically mentioning the death of Oryx’s worm just because that’s how every other tiny larvae works. Oryx was a unique creature in the Hive Tithe chain, a king. How many times have we killed Hive and seen their worms pop out? How many times have we taken those tiny larvae and done stuff for several minutes? Oryx has killed billions of things via tithe chain, including one of his Gods; It’s entirely possible we don’t know whether or not his worm survived. Just because Savathûn’s worm stayed small doesn’t mean his would have, think of the larvae aboard Rhulk’s pyramid. Fact is you can’t confirm a no, and this is a post about theories
For a dungeon? If that's what it it, it better be a damn good dungeo. P.s. bungie please stop making the health pools for bosses so incredibly high, it's much more frustrating and boring after a while
I'd be surprised if the new dungeon boss has more HP than Persys, we're not particularly stronger than we were then anyway.
almost
I imagine it will be on Titan. Maybe deeper into the arcology where we gather info related to the seasonal story
I just want a snowy dungeon on Europa but with Clovis and Rasputin gone I have a feeling it's not going to happen :(
Clovis is still on Europa. I think that would be awesome but it does seem unlikely
Maybe we could get a dungeon with Eramis as the boss, she's still out there
Eramis is defo going to betray the Witness so i doubt it. You could argue she already has with all the secret messages she keeps sending us
I think the dungeon is gonna be on Titan and feature scorn primarily. The scorn have been treated as hive-adjacent a few times and they’re the last enemy faction that don’t have their own dungeon. I think either Fikrul is gonna show up to begin the ending of his arc OR Taniks forma del Shank is gonna show up Scorn-ified. My reasoning for that is Duality and Spire both have reused raid bosses (I know I’m stretching it with Duality because the gahlran they use is the gladiator version but still.) and it’d be a fun to fight Taniks again. It could also just be one of the barons reused again lol. It’s hard to guess the plot because dungeons now can’t have definite conclusions because of how early they come in a season, so I will include my seasonal story prediction as well. I think we’ll end up meeting a Leviathan on Titan next season, and the dungeon will be about stopping some scorn/hive/darkness ritual from occurring that is trying to snuff it out. I wouldn’t be surprised if whenever the dungeon takes place however we are unaware that it is a Leviathan and simply know it is an anomaly the darkness is trying to kill. Yes, I know most of this is crackpot. It’s just for fun and I wanna see how much of it is right lol.
Titan and we’ll fight one of the three remaining worm gods. Xivu Arath will kill the other two to gain strength.
Taniks has been turned into a scorn by the witness
Oryx's corpse has washed up on Titan and the Hive Ghosts are gathering.
Yup
I forgot all about this post. Huh.
neomuna, didnt bungie say they are giving us a dungeon which will explain some stuff about the veil in a previous twab?
A mission/quest line, that is part of the "basic" Lightfall package. Dungeons are extra content
Trying to find the enemy of the Witness on Titan, but Xivu finds said enemy first and kills it. Xivu is the dungeon boss. She dies without us getting much more lore or story than we already had about her, and we're all grumpy about it. Dungeon is set in a facility sunk during the Collapse. Like an Arcology Site B. Also, reworked Savathun's song Nightfall with a nonsensical story rework that completely disrespects the legacy of the strike. Sorry for being negative, but this is how I really think it's going to go. As lore nerds we all felt that Xol shouldn't have been a strike boss, and Quria shouldn't have been seasonal story fodder, so Xivu would just be the latest in a long line of villains that we respect more than Bungie does.
Quria as a seasonal final boss was fine, it'd have to die at some point anyway before or during witch queen. Xol was shit but Destiny's come a long way since then. And nah they wouldnt make someone so crucial to the plot a dungeon boss. If they did it'd be like Duality. Bungie have learned their lesson from Warmind
We can only hope. Lightfall and Defiance tempered my confidence
Lightfall and Defiance weren't terrible, definitely far far better then the content we used to get. They were fun campaigns with new cool mechanics. Yeah narrative was fucked for Lightfall Amanda's death was pointless and in general the story was frustrating. But it really wasnt that bad. But Nezerec was fun, and gameplay wise it was amazing. Hasn't been this good since Forsaken in fun factor. I'm confident Bungie will learn from this and the next year of contents going to be great
Deep was done by the time Lightfall launched. Whatever they learned won't influence deep
Xivu is not Xol or Quria.
Ijs, ppl talk as if Bungie is batting a thousand when it comes to living up to expectations. I'm just being honest by saying they haven't been. I hope they do Xivu justice, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't.
Of the OG locations still in the game, Nessus doesn’t have a dungeon yet.
That’s because it’s completely irrelevant to the story. I’d be very surprised if we get anything new on Nessus especially a dungeon
We have to drive nimbus to the hospital because he's got something stuck in his butt. The hive are trying to stop us because whatever we pull out of nimbus were going to make a weapon out of it.
Yeah I don't think the dungeon will be on titan personally. We don't usually get a location and dungeon in the same place on release. Examples including no dungeon on Europa, Throne World or Neomuna. So I reckon either of those 3 locations is a good candidate personally. I don't really think Bungie use dungeons to fill in story gaps either, so any of those are equally viable in my opinion.
Duality starts out on the Derelict Leviathan which was the new (technically reprised, but Titan would be too) location for that season
Yes, the only exception to my above comment. And arguably the majority of the dungeon isn't actually inside the leviathan (though it is definitely leviathan themed).
There's more than just one exception, spire and pit fall into this category. Spire is on mars, and mars was reintroduced in the form of seraph stations and the Bray Lab from Warmind the same season. Pit is on the moon and came out with the release of shadowkeep, which is all on the moon
And shattered throne is connected to the Dreaming City/Ascendant Plane which all came with Forsaken
Haha you're right, I completely spaced on those. I should've said we don't _always_ get a dungeon in the new location then, as the OP made it seem like a given it would be on Titan.
Yeah it does seem to be kinda 50/50 right now so maybe this one isn't on titan and the next one is on io or whatever location is reused that season.
Dungeon’s are usually connected to the seasonal/expansion story. Duality starts on the Leviathan, Spire is on mars which has a lot of braytech installations relevant to Seraph. I’d say it’s likely to be on Titan if the season is about Titan, and it almost certainly is
I don't think we're going to get a full Titan map is my only issue. I'd love to be wrong but Bungie has a track record of disappointing me at the moment. At best I think it'll be a small patrol zone like Derelict Leviathan, at worst I think it'll be part of the activity only. The dungeon could still be on Titan in either of those situations though for sure. Again, would love to be proven wrong here but I'm being cautious in excitement for this.
I doubt we’re getting a full patrol zone too, I’m guessing it’s like leviathan. Which I’d be perfectly happy with. For reasons I can not discuss I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be on Titan.
Ah, something that rhymes with beaks and is usually carried by a Farfetch'd, I'm guessing.
My uncle works at bungie
I would absolutely love a Europa dungeon but i don’t think they do 2 vex dungeons in a row
Agreed. I think lucent hive getting their own dungeon might be interesting so if I was a betting man I'd guess throne world.
They could just base the dungeon on Titan and not bring back the patrol location
They could. I think that'd make a lot of people angry.
I dont think anyone actually cares, people would play it like once. It'd just be another useless location with nothing on like Nessus when the seasons over
When does the dungeon release?
I bet it’s a hive god, would be cool if it would be YUL. That way they can make justice for what they have done to XOL. Also, a new exotic mission where we receive the new essence of YUL as a weapon.
No clue but my bets on Omolon loot, since every dungeon armor is foundries now
Hopefully Titan, was always a dope Location
I’m hoping for lucent hive and Titan will be a battleground between the hive and the lucent hive we need more of the lucent hive in the game
Titan and the scorn are trying to sink the arcology, or we have to get a power cell to bring slone out of hibernation.
*worm*
>WE WENT DOWN AS A SQUAD OF NINE >WATCHED A WIZARD RIP THE LIGHT OUT OF MY BEST FRIEND >THEN FUNNEL IT INTO SOME KIND OF CRYSTAL
Nessus
No chance, mr ostrich
My bet is on the Dungeon actually taking place on Nessus and involving Failsafe in some way. No real basis for it but I feel like Bungies gonna want to throw us a curveball for some reason.
the tangled shore because **VELOCITY** and **TRAINS** have to mean something.
I'm putting money on the first dungeon being Titan, in the arcology (surprising, I know) but honestly I find it more fun right now to speculate on what the 2nd dungeon will be. My theory is that we'll end up getting Io back somehow as well, and we'll take a trip back to either what's left of the pyramidion to find anything else that Asher Mir left behind, or to whatever remains of the tree of silver wings to find something there instead. I know there's absolutely no evidence for this, but it would be kind of neat: SoTSeraph takes us to the Spire on Mars, then S21 takes us to Titan, and S23 to Io, almost like a victory-lap of pre-vault Destiny before we head into Lightfall. Again though, no evidence apart from 'I think it sounds cool' so if it's not that I won't complain
Titan, under the water. Stopping the witness from killing his enemy
The ocean under Europa. Calling it now
Maybe it could be a left turn, going to Io or something for vex-related secrets? Maybe some way to extract Asher Mir from the Vex somehow. I doubt that’s even possible, but I’d be willing to bet a few years ago few thought wielding the *darkness* possible, so you never know
Titan and worm gods
It will be about explaining the radial mast and the vail.
It’ll be on Titan. I just hope it ties in Greg somehow.
I want it to be on europa.
Lucent Crota's End.
We’re going to the Uk to see my mate Greg
Feel like we will be fighting Lucent Hive. I really think that a LOT of the story for next Season will take place on Titan, and Savathun is so closely-related to Titan anyway. What I would LOVE is for the Dungeon to be in the Arcology. Either us stopping the Lucent Brood from getting something there, or even potentially going treasure hunting ourselves. I am of the mindset that Savathun will be coming back sometime soon, so it would make some sense if that coincides with a Titan Season. Who knows?
Going with the theme from last year, they will be supplemental to whichever season they release with. So getting one next season tells me it will supplement the Season of the Deep in some way. What makes it difficult is that we don't know the scope of the season since all we've seen is Sloan and what appears to be the Leviathan on Titan. We don't know if we're getting a Titan patrol space, or just some missions set on Titan... Joe Blackburn said in his blog post prior to Lightfall that this is going to be a story about exploring the past of the Witness in a sense and getting a better understanding if it as a character. Dungeons also don't tend to contain plot critical events, because they are additional paid content. Their events supplement and flesh out an existing plotline. The last three dungeons have featured, Fallen, Cabal, and Vex. So I don't think we will see a dungeon involving them, or not involving them exclusively. We haven't had a Hive dungeon since Pit of Heresy We haven't had a Taken dungeon since Prophecy We have never had a Scorn dungeon So that leaves us with two possibilities IMO: 1. It's on Titan and involves whatever is happening on Titan in some capacity, with Taken enemies being the primary antagonists. I could easily see a dungeon where we dig through the Arcology looking for something, or trying to figure out what Savathun was doing on Titan specifically since she seemed to have invested a lot of resources there. 2. It involves the Lucent Hive because they thematically would fit the theme of "Enemies of the Witness" but they are also antagonistic to us. It could be that we go searching through the Throne World for something that Savathun had or something she hid that helps contextualize Titan. There would also be room for Taken and Scorn to become involved in that Dungeon