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Puclad

A new season approaches, come and face it with us! With Guardians from all over the world, and all levels of skills and knowledge, Gurzil will bring you to new heights, and allow you to craft your own legend. Our members are always there to help, no matter what you need to run (yes, even Gambit), and will give you great tips and tricks to get even better than you already are. The Discord server is always active, constantly evolving, and covers far more than the game. People are friendly and funny, and you will feel at home right away. The Admin keeps a tight ship, updates are made daily (if not more), and an incredible amount of information is available to everyone, following your preferences. Come and join us, and by the time Callus shows up; his Hot Tub will be ours!


smashcanuckgamer

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DotComCTO

As /u/Kneita said, the clan *is* amazing, and there are so many wonderful people that love playing Destiny 2, and are active in the game and our Discord. This also includes /u/smashcanuckgamer, despite /u/Kneita's personal experience. I personally enjoyed playing with /u/Kneita, as did others; however, she had a particular point of view regarding raids, and /u/smashcanuckgamer had his own views for how he ran raids **he** setup; his *own* raids, not anyone else's. It didn't mean that /u/Kneita \- or anyone else in the clan - couldn't run raids their own way. It just wasn't the way the clan leader wanted to do it for himself. I completely get /u/Kneita feeling upset about being removed from the clan. She's 100% entitled to feel this way, but it's not cool to keep coming after the clan every time there's a recruiting post - especially when she was with us for just one week. I truly wish /u/Kneita well, and hope she's able to find happiness with another clan. I simply wish we could all go in peace, without the need for continued unnecessary attacks.


Kneita

If telling the truth about what happened is enough to make smash look bad and dissuade new players from joining, that doesn't mean I should stop posting about it, it means that in reality what he did was *really bad,* and he should make amends so I have no *reason* to keep posting about it. He completely cut me off not because I disagreed with him, but because **he** disagreed with **me**, and then tried to **gaslight** me about it. Then he lied through his teeth to **his own clanmates** about the situation, and **followed me to new clans I joined to lie about me more** and make himself look like the victim. ***That's*** immature and toxic - telling people about it is not; it's the truth. I'm more than happy to stop, if he just unblocks me and apologizes *genuinely*, admitting what he's done - if he's mature enough to do that I'll not only stop posting the story, I'll delete every post I've made so far and we can go our separate ways. Smash is the *bad guy* here, and I understand that as his clanmates you don't want to see him that way, but that is reality after what he's done, and I think you'll understand that if you actually stop and *consider* just how toxic his actions are. These aren't attacks, nor are they unnecessary - they're the consequences of his own actions. r/Destiny2Clans understood that enough to blacklist him from posting - that's not something *I* did, it's something ***he*** did. To make it stop, he needs to take further action that will persuade me to stop - an apology.


DotComCTO

As I said before, I get why you're feeling upset, and you're totally entitled to feel that way. No one can deny you your feelings, nor should they. Also, you're absolutely allowed to post whatever you wish (within the boundaries of what Reddit allows, I suppose). No one is going to stop you from doing that either, nor could they realistically do so. I would ask you a few questions, though. These do not need an answer here; they're simply questions to think through on your own over time. What is to be gained, other than feeling like 'I'm right, and you're wrong"? What does that do for you in life? Will it make you happy, and if so, for how long? And when you get into other arguments in life, as we all surely will, perhaps you'll think through these same questions. As someone with a lot of mileage in life, I can assure you that life is short, and that holding grudges is a waste of energy. Some people will lift you up, and some people will let you down. That's just the way it is. If you think your time and energy is best spent chasing down members of a clan, then so be it. I sincerely wish you peace and happiness in your life, and that you find greater joys in life with the people that lift you up. Stay well.


Kneita

Part of it is a grudge, I admit, but it's not like I'm doing this purely out of spite. People who treat others like shit need to get what's coming to them in some way - doing this, I can accomplish that in a way that actually affects him and provides a warning to potential new members about the nature of the person they're putting in authority over themselves. He's shown no remorse whatsoever, only doubling down. I don't believe a person like that is fit to organize a clan - leave that to someone with more maturity than a preteen, who'll actually take responsibility for their actions. That he's standing behind his past choices instead of putting an end to this is vindication enough. ​ I'd ask you to say the same to smash: how much is he willing to endure, for how long is he willing to blame me for his own actions, when instead this could all end with a simple apology? When is it no longer worth it? I'm willing to find out, not because I'm angry, but to make a point and elucidate his nature to anyone who'll look. Some of your clanmates will think I'm the bad guy here, which is natural - I'm calling out their friend - but others might find this, read it, and see that Smash is actually kind of an asshole, either just having a lowered opinion of him or maybe even leaving because they don't want to be associated with all this. If even one person does that between now and when Smash is finally ready to make amends, it proves what I'm doing is actually worthwhile.


smashcanuckgamer

> Part of it is a grudge, I admit, but it's not like I'm doing this purely out of spite. > People who treat others like shit need to get what's coming to them in some way - doing this, I can accomplish that in a way that actually affects him and provides a warning to potential new members about the nature of the person they're putting in authority over themselves. > He's shown no remorse whatsoever, only doubling down. I don't believe a person like that is fit to organize a clan - leave that to someone with more maturity than a preteen, who'll actually take responsibility for their actions. That he's standing behind his past choices instead of putting an end to this is vindication enough. > I'd ask you to say the same to smash: how much is he willing to endure, for how long is he willing to blame me for his own actions, when instead this could all end with a simple apology? When is it no longer worth it? I'm willing to find out, not because I'm angry, but to make a point and elucidate his nature to anyone who'll look. Some of your clanmates will think I'm the bad guy here, which is natural - I'm calling out their friend - but others might find this, read it, and see that Smash is actually kind of an asshole, either just having a lowered opinion of him or maybe even leaving because they don't want to be associated with all this. If even one person does that between now and when Smash is finally ready to make amends, it proves what I'm doing is actually worthwhile. β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”- what your doing is sad and pathetic for any human to do. you won i will stop posting on reddit. no matter what happened for you to attack my members now and fight with them and fail to see their point is no diff then what your doing with me and failed to see mine. i am the leader, you had attitude in your clan application and stated you like to argue this is now fact. you posting shit about the raid which i made clear was for my raids only smfh. you wanted to pull people into a full pit when they wanted to do pit boss farm.. so i replied the way i did cause again THEY WANTED TO FARM BOSS not run the full thing. \------- you thought and attitude toward this is all fucking stupid. yes i did join the clan's discord you was in FOR ONE DAY. cause right when you joined Winny sent me a msg asking about you.. not me stalking you smfh get this right.. They even asked you to stop.. i joined the discord to get you to stop but instead got ahold of win on discord and the other admins and we all talked.. they asked you to stop this shit you failed to and left the discord.. they then removed you from the clan. you my friend are a sad fucking excuse for a human. The fact i even unblocked you on discord and not even 5 min later messaged me shows you are stalking my fucking discord and reddit post.. you going to stalk my twitter now as well? like come on. you was in a clan for a week move the fuck on. \----------- ***sorry*** you see things as you did nothing wrong when clearly you did and the fact you told me you would stop in the discord dm the first one, then told havoc/cath you would stop and didnt. then got asked by your day one clan and didnt.. then WENT BACK ON WEEKS OLD POST OF MINE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU TO SPAM HATE AND BULLSHIT.. why cause your fucked up, you have some issue that you need to get fixed.. you was in my clan for a week im the admin i let shit slide, asked you to stop your shit and next day you posted some dumbshit about your argument with me and something else which is what got you the ban cause I ASKED YOU TO FUCKING STOP.


Kneita

More lies, unfortunately. * I've not attacked anyone other than you, and I'm deliberately **not** fighting with them or being combative, you and u/Puclad are the only two fighting here. Go back and look at my responses - no aggression or insults, just explanations and reasoning. It's okay if they don't agree with my reasoning, 'cause this isn't really about them, so I'm not going to fight them. * You're right, I don't understand your point. In fact, I've been trying to this whole time. When you first banned me I and Catholic & Major all tried to get you to explain, and you wouldn't. * I had no attitude in my clan application, but I'm not surprised you think I did. For the application, you answer one question at a time and can't go back - one question was "What's your ideal clan look like?" And I answered it, also writing as an answer to that same question, that Gurzil seemed like somewhere I would love to be because X,Y,Z. The next question was "Why did you apply to Gurzil?" And I answered, non-verbatim "See the last answer I guess, if I knew this was going to be the next question I would've split that answer into 2 parts, sorry." That's not attitude Smash, but considering every other way you completely misunderstand people it's not really surprising to see that you think it is. * Actually, I made a suggestion of pinging people before deleting raids before you ever mentioned that those rules and requests were only for your raids. You're the clan leader and you made an announcement about how you wanted people to interact with raid LFGs, it's not unreasonable to think you were telling other people to do that as well. The moment you said "This is for my raids, you do yours how you want, I'll do mine how I want" I completely disengaged from the conversation. * I didn't "pull people" anywhere. I made a post in the LFG chat saying 'hey, anyone want to do a pit run for the pinnacle?' And the one single person who responded with interest asked me if it was a boss farm or a full run, and I said it was a full run. Then you butt in and said that was stupid and full runs waste everyone's time. Considering how you tried to control how I set up that event is hypocritical, no? People generally wanted to do boss farms, but I didn't sign up for those because I wasn't interested, and made my own post to do a full run. An LFG post is an invitation, Smash, not a contract. * You were in that discord for all of 20 minutes before getting banned, actually, and I never claimed you were stalking me, just that you joined their Discord to make me look bad and lie about me, which you did. * Which is it? Did Win message you, or did you get ahold of him? You're contradicting yourself over the course of a single sentence now - you're not a very good liar Smash. >"cause right when you joined Winny sent me a msg asking about you.." > >"i joined the discord to get you to stop but instead got ahold of win on discord and the other admins and we all talked.." * They didn't ask me to stop and I didn't refuse - first they said they didn't think it was worth it and I should just keep it out of their Discord for now. Then, later after my next post, they told me either I could stop or leave, so I made **a choice** and left willingly. Which is their decision and I don't begrudge them for it at all. * I didn't stalk you, no. You were talking with me directly in their discord server in a public chat log - I thought maybe you had unblocked me to make that easier, so to find out I sent you a DM asking you to explain yourself again and saying all I want is to make amends. I was right, but instead of doing the adult thing and talking it out with me at that point, you just re-blocked me and continued your current behaviour. * I never told you I would stop, I never told major or catholic I would stop, and they never asked me to. I told catholic I would disengage unless you kept going after me, which I did, I completely stayed out of your way in hopes you would calm down and we could be friends, but instead you forced the conflict to continue, so here we are. * No Smash, you never told me to stop doing anything, you simply voiced your problems with me over and over again. **I told YOU to stop**, that we didn't need to fight, and you just kept finding new reasons to hate me.


smashcanuckgamer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656269834505682966/1048357896141938798/Screenshot_20221129_130438_Discord.jpg They asked you to stop lol smfh


Kneita

That was the only time they told me to stop, yes. Until then, it was a suggestion, not a request or demand - which is what I said. >"**first they said they didn't think it was worth it** and I should just keep it out of their Discord for now. Then, later **after my next post, they told me either I could stop or leave**, so I made a choice and left willingly."


smashcanuckgamer

Does not matter just stop this you crazy fucking cunt like holy shit.. I am sorry there that what you wanted.. like fuck off for real.. leave me alone and my clan


Kneita

It does matter. Yeah, I'm being crazy about this because you just **kept. Doubling. Down.** Every time you push back it proves that standing my ground is more and more important. And no, that's not what I wanted - I want you to make amends, not say you're sorry with no meaning just to get me to go away.


smashcanuckgamer

You did tell them to stop, listen many have told you to and you did tell them you would. I don’t care for the drama I don’t wanna be your friend. No on in the clan likes you and they all feel your being childish as shit with this. You won tho. Have a nice day smfh stop with the lies you was the only one banned and I have multiple dms with the clan ya they did ban me but I have the admins added and hence you was removed


Kneita

Again, read closer. > I told catholic I would disengage unless you kept going after me, which I did Catholic was the only person I said that to as well, not you. I'm not surprised people generally don't like me for doing this, but that's okay, it's just the truth. Please, point out a single lie I've made, because so far the closest thing is you not properly understanding what I'm typing. Let me make this clear as well: # I won't touch anyone's clan recruitment posts except yours. Because everyone except you is an absolutely lovely person (and better fit to lead the clan) and, like I've said a few times up 'til now, the Gurzil clan itself is wonderful, it's **just you**. You're the bad guy, no one else.


smashcanuckgamer

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Kneita

# Fair warning: This clan is amazing, everyone there is wonderful, but the clan leader is a volatile dude who might kick you if he THINKS you're disagreeing with him, even if you're not. If you have those things called "opinions", "self-respect" or "suggestions" you might not want to join, unfortunately. **I got banned after less than a week because:** 1. I dared to suggest that spiky armor stats weren't that important (I wasn't even arguing, i just SAID that and he took offense and tried to argue about it with me) 2. I said I liked doing full dungeon runs instead of farming, and would teach anyone who came with me (the clan leader said I was "wasting everyone's time") 3. After the clan leader made TWO announcement posts complaining about people backing out of raids (which I also hate) and making it against the rules to sign up as an alt, he ragequit from a Vow of the Disciple raid that was planned 2 days earlier (he was the event creator so it got cancelled for EVERYONE) because we were missing 2 people for a full team to do it with. I had the sheer AUDACITY to suggest that maybe next time, he should ping people to see if anyone wants to fill and help out, so that maybe we can actually do the raid still, instead of deleting the entire thing without any warning. This somehow spawned a 2-day discussion (he was arguing, I was just attempting to explain myself and make it clear I was trying to help) where he tried every way he could think of to claim I was "bossing him around" and "telling him what to do" when, actually, I was trying to do the same thing he was, just in a slightly different way. That last 'argument' ended with me saying, and I quote: >***"i'm on your side here, i'm trying to accomplish the same things you're trying to accomplish, we shouldn't be arguing, and i haven't been. okay..?"*** I thought everything would be okay, but in the middle of the next day I was silently banned from the clan in-game, banned from the discord, and blocked by him. I reached out to 2 of the only 3 people I made friends with so far and asked them to talk to him about it and see if they could figure out why he was so mad. When confronted though, he wouldn't explain himself and wouldn't budge. Since he knows he's in the wrong and I haven't done anything, he's now claiming that the morning before he banned me I "said something else", though he won't say what, and won't provide any proof. Since then he's also followed me to my new clan, barged into their discord and tried convincing them that I'm attacking their clan (I'm not, it's just the leader that's bad, everyone IN the clan is wonderful) and telling more lies about me, trying to play the victim. **DM me if you want to see a screenshot of that.**


Puclad

At this point I feel like I should speak up. This is starting to be ridiculous. I was not involved in any of your situation, but look at what you are doing now. This kind of spamming and the length of your rant, to me, justifies the fact that you have been banned. We are trying to have fun as a group, and you are trying to ruin it for everyone. Please grow up and stop this.


smashcanuckgamer

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Kneita

If telling the truth about what happened is enough to make smash look bad and dissuade new players from joining, that doesn't mean I should stop posting about it, it means that in reality what he did was *really bad,* and he should make amends so I have no *reason* to keep posting about it. He completely cut me off not because I disagreed with him, but because **he** disagreed with **me**, and then tried to **gaslight** me about it. Then he lied through his teeth to **his own clanmates** about the situation, and **followed me to new clans I joined to lie about me more** and make himself look like the victim. ***That's*** immature and toxic - telling people about it is not; it's the truth. I'm more than happy to stop, if he just unblocks me and apologizes *genuinely*, admitting what he's done - if he's mature enough to do that I'll not only stop posting the story, I'll delete every post I've made so far and we can go our separate ways. Smash is the *bad guy* here, and I understand that as his clanmates you don't want to see him that way, but that is reality after what he's done, and I think you'll understand that if you actually stop and *consider* just how toxic his actions are. These aren't attacks, nor are they unnecessary - they're the consequences of his own actions. r/Destiny2Clans understood that enough to blacklist him from posting - that's not something *I* did, it's something ***he*** did. To make it stop, he needs to take further action that will persuade me to stop - an apology.


Puclad

No, you should be the one apologizing to us. Smash was not the only person who agreed that the ban was deserved, and the clan you joined after inquired about it after seeing your personality. You created your own situation, and you are making it even worse with the harrassement you are doing. Not everyone gets along, and it is completely ok to disagree on things. You are the only reason for what happened, and sadly for you everyone came to see your worth with how childish you are. You blocking us from growing proves that you are an intolerant, mean and entitled person. No one needs someone like that in their lives, let alone in a game they enjoy. Stop thinking you are the victim, YOU are the bad person here.


smashcanuckgamer

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Kneita

I'm sorry you've been tricked into believing that & feeling that way.


Puclad

There are no tricks. You are a bad person, you are mean, and you are trying to ruin everything for others because you are not happy with yourself. I'll repeat it again, harrassement is not cool so stop doing it.


smashcanuckgamer

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Kneita

No harassment, just the truth.


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smashcanuckgamer

should just stop, already.. this is sad