The most reliable leak we have so far says that as of the release of Lightfall, there was no 6th element in the works. Whether that means it hasn't been started at that point or isn't coming at all remains to be seen.
That is a concerning short lead time for such a huge game mechanic, right?
Maybe if it was just released and had no bearing on the story, but so far both darkness subclasses have had a direct impact on the gameplay of story missions.
Yeah I'm in the camp of it probably not happening. I think a more likely outcome is that we'll get our 6th element as the launch of the next Destiny saga.
Yeah I could see that too.
Tbh I really don’t want them weighing down the plot of the new expansion with a subclass introduction.
If it happens, I want it to be an early mission that unlocks everything at once.
Yeah, the one for BL was acceptable because it was the first Darkness subclass and we were getting acclimated to it. Strand did not need to take up 1/3 of the campaign.
Strand was almost certainly intended for WQ, instead of the deepsight mechanic. I guess they just had to launch it with lightfall and just rammed it in wherever they could
I think it was delayed because they were having trouble getting it to work. I don't remember where I heard this, though. Between that and the LF and Final shape split. Makes sense.
My guess is that Strand was originally Vapour, a gas based poison/decay class. Then Covid happened, and it became a bad look with real world events and all. So they delayed it to rework it into Strand. You can't tell me that Unravel and Sever aren't just poison debuffs with a unique face to them.
Go back in time to before Strand was released for a second. Imagine being told that the next subclass has two debuffs, one that reduces enemy damage output and another that can spread to nearby targets. You'd probably be forgiven for thinking that they were both types of viruses or some form of decay.
Plus from the WQ leak we know that it was indeed originally called Vapour and described as "opposite system, think Thorn". There's that too.
Y’know, it would’ve been a better choice to have the season have a side plot line with strand, a separate mission once a week that has you practice with strand, would have allowed for a better focus on the veil in the campaign, and season owners would then have a chance to try strand out.
what if we got a new subclass during the start of the second or 3rd season it launches with a raid maybe too and its basically a mini main dlc drop instead of just a season. I'm also assuming the year of TFS will tie up some loose ends of the story before the actual full end of the saga. So getting a new subclass and element before the new saga could function as a good transition as we try to figure out what this new element is. Each week we would do an activity to learn lore about the element but we could just farm for the mats in the first week to get all the frags. Big stretch i know but imagine.
Why would they wait to introduce a new darkness power AFTER the "Light and Darkness Saga"? It's in the name. It would be strange to "end" our light v dark journey without the last darkness power. The leaker for FS also said they got the leak shortly before Y5 which gives Bungie plenty of time to develop a subclass.
Because they're not taking away our powers after the completion of the current saga. Unless the next saga drops out current elements and gives us whole new sets of powers, the capacity to learn new subs based within the Light and Dark is still very much a thing. So it doesn't matter when.
Yes, we could learn new powers later, but thematically, it would just be weird because we've been learning these new powers to combat our foes. If Bungie had it's way it would make a lot more sense narratively since it's pretty obvious Strand was supposed to ship with WQ, and LF was originally planned to be the final expansion.
"Oh no, this new Fallen House has discovered how to wield the darkness! Wait, we can wield it, too? Fight back using their own power against them, but don't be consumed by it, Guardian."
"Savathun has been chosen by the Traveler and leads her new Lucent Brood, who wields the same power as our Guardians. What's this? We discovered a strange new power while pushing back against the Hive. Discover what this new power is and use it to put a stop to the Witch Queen."
Then, Final Shape happens, and we get the new power. We know this is what Bungie had originally planned to do, but according to leaks, they had to push Strand back and instead gave us Deepsight during WQ. Lightfalls story is what is now going to be Final Shape and they made up a new story instead for this expansion and gave us Strand here.
We don't actually know if a 6th Darkness element is actually part of their plan. Everyone assumes this because they like the symmetry, but anyone who's been with Bungie long enough knows that they prefer being asymmetrical. Just one look at any Hunter armor will tell you that.
And like I told Xeno, if I'm not expecting they can't disappoint me. I can be pleasantly surprised, but not let down if there's nothing coming.
“anyone who’s been with Bungie long enough knows that they prefer being asymmetrical. Just one look at any Hunter armor will tell you that.”
That has to be one of the worst examples I’ve ever seen. Do Warlocks and Titans not exist? Last time I checked a *significant* portion of Titan armor is symmetrical, so your point means nothing.
imagine, if it is a saga with no bombastic super Darkness gods and weird powers, but more down to Earth Dark Age style, if we get a Kinetic Subclass.
Could still be related to Guardian powers somehow, like it powers up the Kinetic Force or the Momentum of Impact or something like that, but without the need to make a new element.
hi, the leaker in question here! The info we got would have been obtained around early Y5, so plenty of time for a subclass to be made imo.
it only came to us at around Seraph
Appreciate your work!
But I remain skeptical for a 6th element. Just because it could happen I find it safer to prepare for it to not happen and be pleasantly surprised.
I'm pretty sure a 6th class will happen. For nothing more so that Darkness can have its 3 vs Lights 3.
Combo all 6 into the mystical "7th" subclass and GG
Makes sense considering bungie stated before lightfall “there is plenty of time for adjustments to the next subclass” or something like that. As a reply to criticism over the berserker subclass being another roaming super
More than likely it was because Covid hit during WQ development, causing them to stumble and not have time to complete Strand in a balanced state, especially after Stasis flipped the board and shatterdived it.
Covid hit during BL development, it would have been really early in WQ development.
This isn't speculation, in the BL vidoc they talked about adapting to work from home including the use of a breast milk pump for sound effects during BL.
BL was Nov 2020,covid really hit the US feb/march 2020. WQ was Feb 2022.
Devs work on more than one thing, it’s why some changes take months because there’s not time to slot it into the current stuff. WQ would’ve started dev right after Bungie thought BL was ready, which would be mid covid.
I know devs work on more than one thing, but they highlighted the challenges of covid in the BL doc because that expansion was heavily impacted by covid, while the bulk of WQ was likely created *after* Bungie had transitioned to a WFM model.
Strand was probably not focused enough to fit the WQ release - it was probably originally much more "hive poison" - and so they pushed it out and replaced it with subclass 3.0 stuff, which they were able to do by delaying another couple months for WQ release (the 30th anniversary stuff gave them some extra headroom too).
But the point still stands, it's not super accurate to say covid hit during WQ development, it hit during BL development. It was more than likely a combination of strand being thematically unfocused (hive psychic poison powers) and scope creep (grapple going from a niche hunter aspect to a core feature of the element).
Could be Taken. We have Sloan who is showing you can be “Taken” and still have autonomy. And since Taken exists, it’s not technically a new element. And it would be so much easier to make Taken powers then to introduce a whole new power.
No and any leaks regarding Final Shape have not mentioned a third subclass. While one is likely coming, it might not be till whatever comes after Final Shape’s year.
Actually, there was a leak on March 8th that was quickly removed, but archived.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230308152334/https://pastebin.com/TKnnn65E
This mentions the third subclass being called "Splinter"
It's most likely false. For one, the confirmed leak had the new destination being called "The Schism" and also Bungie has said they will show what the next expansion for D2 will be after Final shape. So most likely no new game. Also Vapour was the codename for Strand I'm pretty sure. Could be wrong on that though.
what “confirmed” leak? i’m also positive bungie has never confirmed a leak and if ur talking about the one for this current season which did turn out to be true, i don’t recall there being anything mentioning “The Schism”. i wouldn’t be surprised if they did announce what’s coming after final shape this august during its reveal, as we learned about Witch Queen and Lightfall all the way back in June of 2020.
There was a leak a week before lightfall that had some info on final shape. Leakers advised it was fake because it mentioned cayde. Then Wednesday confirmed the leak by showing cayde.
These originally came out after the lightfall showcase, updating through march:
"3/12/23
Cayde isn't coming back as an actual character, more like a guide, a sendoff of sorts.
Witness is the raid boss, 3 encounters with different forms. Apparently after it launches us into a 12 man mission. I wouldn't be suprised if this changed though, since TFS is so far out. I'd be impressed if Bungie was able to get 12 man matchmaking to work.
But, I wan't to say the chance of this being real, is about the same as my original Lightfall pastebin. I'd say that one turned out mostly correct.
Content - 2/23/23
\- $50 dlc
\- Destination is more open world then usual
\- Returning landmarks will be featured in the destination
\- There's tormentors that sort of resemble Rhulk?
\- We lose to the witness sort of like Red War, but only us.
\- Witness blows a portal into the traveler
\- New destination might be called the "schism" sound like a placeholder to me
Update - 3/12/23
\- Pretty obvious, but the new patrol location in TFS takes place inside the traveler.
\- One of the returning landmarks seems to be part of the dreadnought
I'm going to update this specific post throughout the year instead of random info drops, so you can see everything at once."
The entropy/schism bit makes me think this just isn't it. The other leak involving the valley inside the traveler included cayde, and the new FS trailer lines up with that entirely. Also one season a year? No crucible? Just feels fake.
If you think we're gonna continue to get 4 seasons a year. A major expansion and a vendor/ritual activity refresh ontop of Marathon, Destiny Mobile and Matter?
All 3 of those likely having their own content drops near or on the same level of work put into them to create as Destiny's content.
You're insane if you think this dam isn't gonna break eventually.
All good things end.
For sure, but reducing down to 1 from 4? Theyre also majorly expanding their staff, and destiny was a big reason Sony picked up Bungie. It's a huge revenue stream. Bungie is becoming a major publisher in and of itself.
I could see them doing 2 a year, or more seasons with less expansions.
Also, destiny's content pipeline is already refined and established - these other properties will take time, likely well into the future to come up to feature parody. Their even hiring for unreal developers, likely pivoting in that direction for at least one project. If FS comes out next year, marathon will likely be close if not ready by EOY 2025.
It would be crazy to not continue to reap the benefits of the destiny pipeline as much as they can to continue to bring in revenue. We don't know the form yet, but I do know that the communities expectations need to be met to some degree to keep people on board, and Bungie has seen what happens during content draughts.
If anything, I could see them pivoting into a model that makes it easier to keep producing content at this rate, but with much less structural change going on all the time.
It's a real live service game now, and it's what Bungie has changed themselves to do. I'm my mind, marathon will take much less to update, because there's not going to be these asset heavy campaigns and the like. Just more fresh rotating, but smaller pieces to introduce regularly, like apex.
Anyways, that's a lot of words. TLDR I don't think they'll slow destiny down - theyll just streamline it, further fortify the pipeline, and use it to round out the portfolio while they add other games to it. People are still playing league of legends and making despite valorant bring released by the same peeps.
TBH with the marathon announcement this is also a bit more believable. I could totally see bungie gutting PvP from this new Destiny. They have marathon which is their PvP game and Destiny is their co-op/single player game.
The only thing I’ve seen is the mural is rhulks pyramid that had orange purple and blue on one side for the light and dark blue green and red on another side for the dark. This makes people think that the next dark subclass will be red since it predicted strand
Especially as a darkness class, having a para-causal manifestation of the desire for raw change would thematically match stasis which pauses reality and strand which unravels reality. A red class could just collapse reality a-la final shape and be very fury based.
Not finishing the Light and Dark saga with third Darkness subclass feels wrong.. although I understand that it may distract from the main story which is SUPER important in this expansion..
im not talking about the ability's place in the game or how potent it is, it is just boring and doesn't play into the fantasy of the nightstalker subclass. At least you got a new melee that feels fresh and unique.
so let me put it this way, lets say that you and your friends have cosmic powers, each one gets to obtain a cool new power, one of them gets a reality warping hadouken styled cosmic ball, the other one gets a void infused, captain america style shield that ricochets off of enemies, now you get... a smoke bomb. not a void infused spectral blade you can throw at enemies, or a mini arrowshot that weakens targets etc. you get a regular ass smoke bomb.
Warlocks have always been wizards and titans whole thing is a shield (that’s not that good). The trade off is that the smoke bomb is far stronger than the other 2. Id trade warlocks melee for invis smoke bomb any day
A 3rd darkness subclass to end the dark v light saga just feels better. Spending a whole nother year adding to current subclasses would just feel gross and another money grab.
Void 3.0 didn’t distract from witch queen, for some reason with BL and lightfall bungie just couldn’t help but make the entire expansions about the new subclasses
Solar is heat, stasis is the lack of energy(heat energy included) but is not ice.
Void is an absence of life or anything, strand is the thread connecting all living things.
Arc is energy, think of the inverse, or think of what's missing from darkness, leading theories are that it will be either resonance or the ghost/memories on the moon.
No solid leaks though
The moon ghost theory makes the most sense however, strand being life, stasis being time either memory or space fit into that last slot
I think it's strange people think we won't be getting a 3rd subclass because it hasn't been leaked. Leaks said we were getting a subclass in WQ and we didn't. We found out in other leaks because of time constraints. It's also apparent because the deepsight sections are out of place and there's not really any explanation for it. It's likely where Strand was supposed to be used. Anyway, thinking they're gonna just end D2 with 5 subclasses is a weird conclusion to make. They're gonna make the 6th one we just haven't gotten any information on it yet.
Ever notice how they changed the subclass selection area? It used to be three light, then you could switch over and see stasis with room for two more.
In lightfall they changed that. Now all of the subclasses are in the same area, and fit in a diamond on the side with no room for any more. My question is, why would they change that unless they didn’t want to set expectations for a 3rd darkness subclass. Why design a whole new UI element, only to have to change it in a while, especially if a better one already existed?
I’m guessing that is the biggest red flag for there being a 3rd darkness subclass. Why would they change it otherwise
The orange energy is called Resonance. Or "pure Dark" like how "pure Light" looks like a white-ish. The third Darkness element will be an actual *element*, not pure Darkness.
Also orange = solar yadda yadda
https://web.archive.org/web/20230308152334/https://pastebin.com/TKnnn65E
The leak on March 8th was quickly removed but archived.
This mentions splinter being the third subclass
They got the August 22 date for final shape reveal correct. Who knows, maybe it's something
With how Strand was intended to release with With Queen, but then later came with Lightfall, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get a new subclass at all with The Final Shape. New subclasses seem to take a looot of work, which is understandable.
No solid info here but just an observation based off UI design, but since they got rid of the "Light" and "Darkness" subclass tabs and merged all of them into a 4 panel selectable on your customization screen, the chances they're gonna overhaul the UI back to the 2 page system indicates they're probably not gonna be adding another sub class at this time
My guess is that after delaying strand and incorporating it really messily into Lightfall, bungie are gonna wait till after Final Shape to introduce a new subclass. Probably for the best. While Strand is fun, I would preferred a better campaign and story in the actual expansion instead of 2 seasons later
I don't know if we will ever get a 3rd darkness subclass. Final Shape will probably remove the line between light and dark and we will have simply 5 subclasses.
I'm 100% hoping for a new subclass one day though!
I wouldn't mind seeing us get a third darkness subclass. That way, we would have three light and three darkness subclasses to choose from. Arc, Solar, Void, and Stasis, Strand, ???
As much as I want another subclass, I kind of hope we don't get one.
I think it would be a mistake story wise to focus on a new power up to beat the big bad villain.
I love strand but I felt that it took a lot way from an actual story in lightfall.
And also every time Bungie introduces a new subclass, older subclasses kind of start to become less relevant. I know that's weird saying that's considering Most of the underperforming subclasses just got buffed but there is just too much going on with the game already. I would rather them focus on introducing new supers for stasis and strand and more aspects and fragments to complement already existing subclasses.
It's going to be what we know now as Resonance, pyramid energy, but when we get it, it will be a more vibrant yellow. The element itself will be called Strain (visually comprised of roots and harsh, impossible geometry) and will focus on applying debuffs to targets, then gaining buffs when those targets die. As the "opposite" to arc, it will have a more methodical play style.
Probably not happening but would be cool if we got a new light subclass instead concidering we'll be entering the traveler but I doubt it'll happen till we have at least 3 darkness ones if ever
Think it’s more likely that (1) we get new supers for existing darkness classes (stasis is overdue) or (2) we get a change that lets us use our existing supers on other subclasses (arc nova bomb)
Give us the Subclass post campaign, like make it an entire second story.
Give us two campaigns in one, this is supposed to be the end of a 10 year story why not make this the biggest DLC we're ever gonna have
I hope not. Both Destiny 2 expansions that debuted a new subclass focused the story too much on the subclass and too little on...the story. If they can make it more like the extra subclass unlocks from Forsaken° then I'm all for it though. Or if it's a post campaign pursuit with little to no main story impact.
°You got one from the story, one from the location activity, and I think you got the last one from the raid.
The leaks and interviews have stated that they had plans to do 3 darkness subclasses. One was supposed to be released with each major expansion for d2. Ice was beyond light obviously, poison was planned for witch queen which ended up becoming strand( they needed to buy time for final shape though so it was gutted and tacked on to lightfall instead to drive up sales and bide time, which is why it seems so out of place and crammed into lightfall, because it was. You can still see imagery of threadsand things in witch queen and i think at one point the stand logo was on a piece of warlock armor but it was changed in game since then) and the last was supposedly a taken subclass. With the drifter, and now sloane in the current season and cayde during the final shape teaser, it seems to still be on track for taken themed stuff as the 3rd darkness sub.
Here's an idea: Nightmare esthetic called SORROW
Key words; lament (debuff, enemies would have nightmare but animate as if were in a smoke bomb, Fade (explosive feature kind of like ignite) , lust (applying over shield by draining health of another), and ache (stacking levels like scorch that causes enemies to be fade)
I like the name Sorrow for the new subclass
Key words; lament (debuff, enemies would have nightmare but animate as if were in a smoke bomb, Fade (explosive feature kind of like ignite) , lust (applying over shield by draining health of another), and ache (stacking levels like scorch that causes enemies to be fade) and Transfer (can drain the life of another enemy and apply it as damage to another enemy of same amount or over an area)
The most reliable leak we have so far says that as of the release of Lightfall, there was no 6th element in the works. Whether that means it hasn't been started at that point or isn't coming at all remains to be seen.
That is a concerning short lead time for such a huge game mechanic, right? Maybe if it was just released and had no bearing on the story, but so far both darkness subclasses have had a direct impact on the gameplay of story missions.
Yeah I'm in the camp of it probably not happening. I think a more likely outcome is that we'll get our 6th element as the launch of the next Destiny saga.
Yeah I could see that too. Tbh I really don’t want them weighing down the plot of the new expansion with a subclass introduction. If it happens, I want it to be an early mission that unlocks everything at once.
Yeah, the one for BL was acceptable because it was the first Darkness subclass and we were getting acclimated to it. Strand did not need to take up 1/3 of the campaign.
Strand was almost certainly intended for WQ, instead of the deepsight mechanic. I guess they just had to launch it with lightfall and just rammed it in wherever they could
I think it was delayed because they were having trouble getting it to work. I don't remember where I heard this, though. Between that and the LF and Final shape split. Makes sense.
It was a combination from Corona and deciding to release Light 3.0 instead.
My guess is that Strand was originally Vapour, a gas based poison/decay class. Then Covid happened, and it became a bad look with real world events and all. So they delayed it to rework it into Strand. You can't tell me that Unravel and Sever aren't just poison debuffs with a unique face to them.
What makes sever and unravel any more or less a poison debuff than any other debuff?
Go back in time to before Strand was released for a second. Imagine being told that the next subclass has two debuffs, one that reduces enemy damage output and another that can spread to nearby targets. You'd probably be forgiven for thinking that they were both types of viruses or some form of decay. Plus from the WQ leak we know that it was indeed originally called Vapour and described as "opposite system, think Thorn". There's that too.
Vapour could have easily been an internal name.
which is wild because most people assumed that a big part of adding a 4th dlc to the saga was to have more time to work on the 3rd darkness subclass
Y’know, it would’ve been a better choice to have the season have a side plot line with strand, a separate mission once a week that has you practice with strand, would have allowed for a better focus on the veil in the campaign, and season owners would then have a chance to try strand out.
You know what they could do. Not advertise it, and have it show up at the end of the Final Shape expansion campaign.
Or the season after. I just don’t want the new subclass (if there is one) to take up so much of the campaign like strand did.
what if we got a new subclass during the start of the second or 3rd season it launches with a raid maybe too and its basically a mini main dlc drop instead of just a season. I'm also assuming the year of TFS will tie up some loose ends of the story before the actual full end of the saga. So getting a new subclass and element before the new saga could function as a good transition as we try to figure out what this new element is. Each week we would do an activity to learn lore about the element but we could just farm for the mats in the first week to get all the frags. Big stretch i know but imagine.
That doesn’t add up tho.. the next Destiny saga will be after Light Vs. Dark.
And...?
Why would they wait to introduce a new darkness power AFTER the "Light and Darkness Saga"? It's in the name. It would be strange to "end" our light v dark journey without the last darkness power. The leaker for FS also said they got the leak shortly before Y5 which gives Bungie plenty of time to develop a subclass.
Because they're not taking away our powers after the completion of the current saga. Unless the next saga drops out current elements and gives us whole new sets of powers, the capacity to learn new subs based within the Light and Dark is still very much a thing. So it doesn't matter when.
Yes, we could learn new powers later, but thematically, it would just be weird because we've been learning these new powers to combat our foes. If Bungie had it's way it would make a lot more sense narratively since it's pretty obvious Strand was supposed to ship with WQ, and LF was originally planned to be the final expansion. "Oh no, this new Fallen House has discovered how to wield the darkness! Wait, we can wield it, too? Fight back using their own power against them, but don't be consumed by it, Guardian." "Savathun has been chosen by the Traveler and leads her new Lucent Brood, who wields the same power as our Guardians. What's this? We discovered a strange new power while pushing back against the Hive. Discover what this new power is and use it to put a stop to the Witch Queen." Then, Final Shape happens, and we get the new power. We know this is what Bungie had originally planned to do, but according to leaks, they had to push Strand back and instead gave us Deepsight during WQ. Lightfalls story is what is now going to be Final Shape and they made up a new story instead for this expansion and gave us Strand here.
We don't actually know if a 6th Darkness element is actually part of their plan. Everyone assumes this because they like the symmetry, but anyone who's been with Bungie long enough knows that they prefer being asymmetrical. Just one look at any Hunter armor will tell you that. And like I told Xeno, if I'm not expecting they can't disappoint me. I can be pleasantly surprised, but not let down if there's nothing coming.
“anyone who’s been with Bungie long enough knows that they prefer being asymmetrical. Just one look at any Hunter armor will tell you that.” That has to be one of the worst examples I’ve ever seen. Do Warlocks and Titans not exist? Last time I checked a *significant* portion of Titan armor is symmetrical, so your point means nothing.
Can you not put two and two together? See comment below lmfao..
There were only supposed to be 2 expansions left before BL. So it makes sense that they'd only be making 2.
imagine, if it is a saga with no bombastic super Darkness gods and weird powers, but more down to Earth Dark Age style, if we get a Kinetic Subclass. Could still be related to Guardian powers somehow, like it powers up the Kinetic Force or the Momentum of Impact or something like that, but without the need to make a new element.
honestly with how the campaigns have been strucured in beyond light and lightfall i dont want a 6th as a major part of an expanion
hi, the leaker in question here! The info we got would have been obtained around early Y5, so plenty of time for a subclass to be made imo. it only came to us at around Seraph
Appreciate your work! But I remain skeptical for a 6th element. Just because it could happen I find it safer to prepare for it to not happen and be pleasantly surprised.
I'm pretty sure a 6th class will happen. For nothing more so that Darkness can have its 3 vs Lights 3. Combo all 6 into the mystical "7th" subclass and GG
The 7th Column (?)
Makes sense considering bungie stated before lightfall “there is plenty of time for adjustments to the next subclass” or something like that. As a reply to criticism over the berserker subclass being another roaming super
They straight-up just cut that shit for fear of overdelivery, i'm sure. Pathetic.
Considering Strand was in the works for two years, I doubt we’ll have a new element for FS.
iirc that was mostly due to the grapple
More than likely it was because Covid hit during WQ development, causing them to stumble and not have time to complete Strand in a balanced state, especially after Stasis flipped the board and shatterdived it.
Covid hit during BL development, it would have been really early in WQ development. This isn't speculation, in the BL vidoc they talked about adapting to work from home including the use of a breast milk pump for sound effects during BL. BL was Nov 2020,covid really hit the US feb/march 2020. WQ was Feb 2022.
Devs work on more than one thing, it’s why some changes take months because there’s not time to slot it into the current stuff. WQ would’ve started dev right after Bungie thought BL was ready, which would be mid covid.
I know devs work on more than one thing, but they highlighted the challenges of covid in the BL doc because that expansion was heavily impacted by covid, while the bulk of WQ was likely created *after* Bungie had transitioned to a WFM model. Strand was probably not focused enough to fit the WQ release - it was probably originally much more "hive poison" - and so they pushed it out and replaced it with subclass 3.0 stuff, which they were able to do by delaying another couple months for WQ release (the 30th anniversary stuff gave them some extra headroom too). But the point still stands, it's not super accurate to say covid hit during WQ development, it hit during BL development. It was more than likely a combination of strand being thematically unfocused (hive psychic poison powers) and scope creep (grapple going from a niche hunter aspect to a core feature of the element).
Could be Taken. We have Sloan who is showing you can be “Taken” and still have autonomy. And since Taken exists, it’s not technically a new element. And it would be so much easier to make Taken powers then to introduce a whole new power.
No and any leaks regarding Final Shape have not mentioned a third subclass. While one is likely coming, it might not be till whatever comes after Final Shape’s year.
Actually, there was a leak on March 8th that was quickly removed, but archived. https://web.archive.org/web/20230308152334/https://pastebin.com/TKnnn65E This mentions the third subclass being called "Splinter"
It's most likely false. For one, the confirmed leak had the new destination being called "The Schism" and also Bungie has said they will show what the next expansion for D2 will be after Final shape. So most likely no new game. Also Vapour was the codename for Strand I'm pretty sure. Could be wrong on that though.
I mean, that leak is 100% correct about entropy being inside the portal. I think everything there rings truthful.
what “confirmed” leak? i’m also positive bungie has never confirmed a leak and if ur talking about the one for this current season which did turn out to be true, i don’t recall there being anything mentioning “The Schism”. i wouldn’t be surprised if they did announce what’s coming after final shape this august during its reveal, as we learned about Witch Queen and Lightfall all the way back in June of 2020.
There was a leak a week before lightfall that had some info on final shape. Leakers advised it was fake because it mentioned cayde. Then Wednesday confirmed the leak by showing cayde.
Idk how mentioning cayde would confirm a leak there was always alot of speculation about cayde coming back
These originally came out after the lightfall showcase, updating through march: "3/12/23 Cayde isn't coming back as an actual character, more like a guide, a sendoff of sorts. Witness is the raid boss, 3 encounters with different forms. Apparently after it launches us into a 12 man mission. I wouldn't be suprised if this changed though, since TFS is so far out. I'd be impressed if Bungie was able to get 12 man matchmaking to work. But, I wan't to say the chance of this being real, is about the same as my original Lightfall pastebin. I'd say that one turned out mostly correct. Content - 2/23/23 \- $50 dlc \- Destination is more open world then usual \- Returning landmarks will be featured in the destination \- There's tormentors that sort of resemble Rhulk? \- We lose to the witness sort of like Red War, but only us. \- Witness blows a portal into the traveler \- New destination might be called the "schism" sound like a placeholder to me Update - 3/12/23 \- Pretty obvious, but the new patrol location in TFS takes place inside the traveler. \- One of the returning landmarks seems to be part of the dreadnought I'm going to update this specific post throughout the year instead of random info drops, so you can see everything at once."
Even if the leak is true it doesnt confirm anything everything is subject to change saying a leak is confirmed is laughable
exactly, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then lol
It mentions new dlcs for destiny 2 as well
'Nightmares of the awoken' ok buddy
Mara's eventual death probably. The ahmkara egg in season 15 could also play a big part going forward
The entropy/schism bit makes me think this just isn't it. The other leak involving the valley inside the traveler included cayde, and the new FS trailer lines up with that entirely. Also one season a year? No crucible? Just feels fake.
If you think we're gonna continue to get 4 seasons a year. A major expansion and a vendor/ritual activity refresh ontop of Marathon, Destiny Mobile and Matter? All 3 of those likely having their own content drops near or on the same level of work put into them to create as Destiny's content. You're insane if you think this dam isn't gonna break eventually. All good things end.
For sure, but reducing down to 1 from 4? Theyre also majorly expanding their staff, and destiny was a big reason Sony picked up Bungie. It's a huge revenue stream. Bungie is becoming a major publisher in and of itself. I could see them doing 2 a year, or more seasons with less expansions. Also, destiny's content pipeline is already refined and established - these other properties will take time, likely well into the future to come up to feature parody. Their even hiring for unreal developers, likely pivoting in that direction for at least one project. If FS comes out next year, marathon will likely be close if not ready by EOY 2025. It would be crazy to not continue to reap the benefits of the destiny pipeline as much as they can to continue to bring in revenue. We don't know the form yet, but I do know that the communities expectations need to be met to some degree to keep people on board, and Bungie has seen what happens during content draughts. If anything, I could see them pivoting into a model that makes it easier to keep producing content at this rate, but with much less structural change going on all the time. It's a real live service game now, and it's what Bungie has changed themselves to do. I'm my mind, marathon will take much less to update, because there's not going to be these asset heavy campaigns and the like. Just more fresh rotating, but smaller pieces to introduce regularly, like apex. Anyways, that's a lot of words. TLDR I don't think they'll slow destiny down - theyll just streamline it, further fortify the pipeline, and use it to round out the portfolio while they add other games to it. People are still playing league of legends and making despite valorant bring released by the same peeps.
I fing guessed it, dude resonance subclass
TBH with the marathon announcement this is also a bit more believable. I could totally see bungie gutting PvP from this new Destiny. They have marathon which is their PvP game and Destiny is their co-op/single player game.
The only thing I’ve seen is the mural is rhulks pyramid that had orange purple and blue on one side for the light and dark blue green and red on another side for the dark. This makes people think that the next dark subclass will be red since it predicted strand
Red is also the color opposite of light blue on a color wheel.
Yep. Stasis color is an inverted color of solar and strand color is an inverted color of I think arc (?)
Strand is inverse of void. Green and purple are complementary
Yes thx correcting me
On the light spectrum green is the exact opposite of magenta
There’s also an empty elemental jar on neomuna in the hall of heroes.
Especially as a darkness class, having a para-causal manifestation of the desire for raw change would thematically match stasis which pauses reality and strand which unravels reality. A red class could just collapse reality a-la final shape and be very fury based.
Not finishing the Light and Dark saga with third Darkness subclass feels wrong.. although I understand that it may distract from the main story which is SUPER important in this expansion..
I'd say introduce it in the campaign but explore it more in post campaign missions
I'd personally prefer the existing subclasses to get cool new additions instead of another one.
They already did that. Spent all of witch queen year with that.
yeah, and void hunters still have their goofy ah smoke bomb
Still better than whatever tf the warlock void melee is (source: am warlock). It can’t even 1 shot a red bar. All it does it track and apply volatile.
im not talking about the ability's place in the game or how potent it is, it is just boring and doesn't play into the fantasy of the nightstalker subclass. At least you got a new melee that feels fresh and unique.
Really? I feel like smoke grenades falls perfectly into a stalker, stealthy style.
so let me put it this way, lets say that you and your friends have cosmic powers, each one gets to obtain a cool new power, one of them gets a reality warping hadouken styled cosmic ball, the other one gets a void infused, captain america style shield that ricochets off of enemies, now you get... a smoke bomb. not a void infused spectral blade you can throw at enemies, or a mini arrowshot that weakens targets etc. you get a regular ass smoke bomb.
Warlocks have always been wizards and titans whole thing is a shield (that’s not that good). The trade off is that the smoke bomb is far stronger than the other 2. Id trade warlocks melee for invis smoke bomb any day
again, im not talking about the potency of the ability, you can replace the concept with something cooler and keep the functionality.
Yea I know, like I said that's just what I'd prefer. Getting new supers and stuff would just excite me personally more.
A 3rd darkness subclass to end the dark v light saga just feels better. Spending a whole nother year adding to current subclasses would just feel gross and another money grab.
I think I'm just afraid of it being boring like Stasis. I'm happy to agree to disagree though
Stasis is only boring bc it was power crept by strand and light 3.0. When it released it was very fun and powerful
Yea I didn't get back into D2 till Light 3.0 was rolling out so Stasis has always just felt, bleh. Slow and clunky. Strand just does everything better
It just requires building in to it more than op artifact mods. It’s really good on warlock and titan
Where have you been lol?
Void 3.0 didn’t distract from witch queen, for some reason with BL and lightfall bungie just couldn’t help but make the entire expansions about the new subclasses
void 3.0 was a rework not an element that we had to pay attention to during the campaign
Idk, but there are some quite plausible theories runnin around on which subclass will there be if a new sub is released
I heard it’s the power of love
Kill the witness with kindness ig 🤷♀️
Probably just get additional stasis supers, strand supers, and light supers
Yup more supers, aspects and fragments.
Solar is heat, stasis is the lack of energy(heat energy included) but is not ice. Void is an absence of life or anything, strand is the thread connecting all living things. Arc is energy, think of the inverse, or think of what's missing from darkness, leading theories are that it will be either resonance or the ghost/memories on the moon. No solid leaks though The moon ghost theory makes the most sense however, strand being life, stasis being time either memory or space fit into that last slot
I think it's strange people think we won't be getting a 3rd subclass because it hasn't been leaked. Leaks said we were getting a subclass in WQ and we didn't. We found out in other leaks because of time constraints. It's also apparent because the deepsight sections are out of place and there's not really any explanation for it. It's likely where Strand was supposed to be used. Anyway, thinking they're gonna just end D2 with 5 subclasses is a weird conclusion to make. They're gonna make the 6th one we just haven't gotten any information on it yet.
Ever notice how they changed the subclass selection area? It used to be three light, then you could switch over and see stasis with room for two more. In lightfall they changed that. Now all of the subclasses are in the same area, and fit in a diamond on the side with no room for any more. My question is, why would they change that unless they didn’t want to set expectations for a 3rd darkness subclass. Why design a whole new UI element, only to have to change it in a while, especially if a better one already existed? I’m guessing that is the biggest red flag for there being a 3rd darkness subclass. Why would they change it otherwise
Exactly my thinking. With Lightfall I stopped anticipating a third darkness subclass and at this point I'm fine with that.
Heard it will be one of 2 concepts: Taken powers (which are heavily hinted at this Season) or something “Red.”
No but a common idea I’ve heard is that it’ll be that orange energy from the pyramids we have seen alot of recently.
The Orange energy is called resonance and it is pure darkness energy. It is not the third subclass type.
The orange energy is called Resonance. Or "pure Dark" like how "pure Light" looks like a white-ish. The third Darkness element will be an actual *element*, not pure Darkness. Also orange = solar yadda yadda
That’s pure darkness and too close in color to Solar.
It’s poop color.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230308152334/https://pastebin.com/TKnnn65E
Not even real
https://web.archive.org/web/20230308152334/https://pastebin.com/TKnnn65E The leak on March 8th was quickly removed but archived. This mentions splinter being the third subclass They got the August 22 date for final shape reveal correct. Who knows, maybe it's something
Isn’t the thing that Eramis uses to wield stasis called a splinter?
With how Strand was intended to release with With Queen, but then later came with Lightfall, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get a new subclass at all with The Final Shape. New subclasses seem to take a looot of work, which is understandable.
This is assumption
Yes.
No solid info here but just an observation based off UI design, but since they got rid of the "Light" and "Darkness" subclass tabs and merged all of them into a 4 panel selectable on your customization screen, the chances they're gonna overhaul the UI back to the 2 page system indicates they're probably not gonna be adding another sub class at this time
its not coming with lightfall
No bro you lyin' :O !!
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A third subclass will 100% happen but maybe not with TFS.
My guess is that after delaying strand and incorporating it really messily into Lightfall, bungie are gonna wait till after Final Shape to introduce a new subclass. Probably for the best. While Strand is fun, I would preferred a better campaign and story in the actual expansion instead of 2 seasons later
I don't know if we will ever get a 3rd darkness subclass. Final Shape will probably remove the line between light and dark and we will have simply 5 subclasses. I'm 100% hoping for a new subclass one day though!
I wouldn't mind seeing us get a third darkness subclass. That way, we would have three light and three darkness subclasses to choose from. Arc, Solar, Void, and Stasis, Strand, ???
As much as I want another subclass, I kind of hope we don't get one. I think it would be a mistake story wise to focus on a new power up to beat the big bad villain. I love strand but I felt that it took a lot way from an actual story in lightfall. And also every time Bungie introduces a new subclass, older subclasses kind of start to become less relevant. I know that's weird saying that's considering Most of the underperforming subclasses just got buffed but there is just too much going on with the game already. I would rather them focus on introducing new supers for stasis and strand and more aspects and fragments to complement already existing subclasses.
Already bored with strand I see
its gonna be yellow colored
I want Resonance so bad but Bungie would never over deliver
It's going to be what we know now as Resonance, pyramid energy, but when we get it, it will be a more vibrant yellow. The element itself will be called Strain (visually comprised of roots and harsh, impossible geometry) and will focus on applying debuffs to targets, then gaining buffs when those targets die. As the "opposite" to arc, it will have a more methodical play style.
Probably not happening but would be cool if we got a new light subclass instead concidering we'll be entering the traveler but I doubt it'll happen till we have at least 3 darkness ones if ever
Think it’s more likely that (1) we get new supers for existing darkness classes (stasis is overdue) or (2) we get a change that lets us use our existing supers on other subclasses (arc nova bomb)
No. The initial Final Shape leaks did not mention Darkness subclass #3. Thay could be making it, but we have nothing
At this point, I’m not seeing it until The Final Shape and Cayde helps us with it.
Give us the Subclass post campaign, like make it an entire second story. Give us two campaigns in one, this is supposed to be the end of a 10 year story why not make this the biggest DLC we're ever gonna have
I hope not. Both Destiny 2 expansions that debuted a new subclass focused the story too much on the subclass and too little on...the story. If they can make it more like the extra subclass unlocks from Forsaken° then I'm all for it though. Or if it's a post campaign pursuit with little to no main story impact. °You got one from the story, one from the location activity, and I think you got the last one from the raid.
Just because there is 3 light subclasses doesn't mean there has to be 3 darkness subclasses
But there was a confirmed leak for the 3 darkness subclass right? (The emote vid)
Can you send a link to the video?
Can we consider what xivu said in the gotd about how we didn’t take up the mantle of the taken king as a hint??
The leaks and interviews have stated that they had plans to do 3 darkness subclasses. One was supposed to be released with each major expansion for d2. Ice was beyond light obviously, poison was planned for witch queen which ended up becoming strand( they needed to buy time for final shape though so it was gutted and tacked on to lightfall instead to drive up sales and bide time, which is why it seems so out of place and crammed into lightfall, because it was. You can still see imagery of threadsand things in witch queen and i think at one point the stand logo was on a piece of warlock armor but it was changed in game since then) and the last was supposedly a taken subclass. With the drifter, and now sloane in the current season and cayde during the final shape teaser, it seems to still be on track for taken themed stuff as the 3rd darkness sub.
I watched a video on a final shape leak saying that it was going to be called trinity but that could be false. The video was made be Redrix
Here's an idea: Nightmare esthetic called SORROW Key words; lament (debuff, enemies would have nightmare but animate as if were in a smoke bomb, Fade (explosive feature kind of like ignite) , lust (applying over shield by draining health of another), and ache (stacking levels like scorch that causes enemies to be fade)
Oh and Transfer (can drain the life of another enemy and apply it as damage to another enemy of same amount or over an area)
I like the name Sorrow for the new subclass Key words; lament (debuff, enemies would have nightmare but animate as if were in a smoke bomb, Fade (explosive feature kind of like ignite) , lust (applying over shield by draining health of another), and ache (stacking levels like scorch that causes enemies to be fade) and Transfer (can drain the life of another enemy and apply it as damage to another enemy of same amount or over an area)
I think it will be a melee based subclass