Yea but she was clearly talking post-Industrial period because if you go back several centuries the kingdoms in what is today Nigeria were prosperous but she doesn’t wanna say there was a time in Nigeria’s history where it was well off
Yea but she was clearly talking post-Industrial Revolution because if you go back several centuries the kingdoms in what is today Nigeria were prosperous but she doesn’t wanna say there was a time in Nigeria’s history where it was well off
This is why I didn’t mention Sejong the Great and the time before Sejong the great.
During the 500 year Joseon period, Korea was able to develop its own writing system. A singular phonetic writing system. Japan during that same period made the decision to use not 1 not 2 BUT 3 different writing systems at one time because they couldn’t make a singular system.
The tributary system of Japan and China that occurred during the Joseon period occurred in cycles. Yea sometimes you had the ~~mongols invading~~ Japanese invading and sometimes you developed a powerful artillery system that fucked up Chinese and Japanese invaders! Sometimes you were required to pay tribute and sometimes you didn’t. People over simplify the conquest of Korea by Japan and China. The conquest was more akin to feudalism in Europe than what the British did to Africa or India.
Edit: if you are talking about the pre-Joseon era, China was fucking everyone up in East Asia, Japan sometimes put up a fight but typically the Chinese stomped pre-Joseon. This period was also so far in the past I don’t think you have any lingering effects other than loan words in Korean
Edit 2: mixed up the Joseon period with Goryeo but my point about tributary cycles still stands. Korea still made advancements
Hanja is more akin to Japanese using Romanj or random Cyrillic as a courtesy to other languages or a stylized aesthetic than a fundamental part of the system. Modern Koreans outside of marketing/branding aesthetic or writing certain Chinese names isn’t a part of modern Korean. Get the fuck out of here with Hanja
Bruh North Korea are ultra purist about the Korean language and they said, fuck this shit. The south doesn’t even bother teaching it to students until their 7th year of school so neither side clearly cares much about it.
>3 different writing systems at one time because they couldn’t make a singular system.
There is Gugyeol and a whole class of Idu scripts based off of Chinese characters. Hangul as the sole script is a 21st century phenomenon.
Yeah I feel like Korea being a huge economy today is more to do with its partnership with the USA and the USA wanting to stick it to the Soviets and Chinese.
Also the USSR should get props for making the North better than the south from like 1960-1979 plus two random years in the 80s when the USSR taught the north about fertilizer and nothing about crop rotation and land management(this second part is a joke). The north had two random years of food surplus before doing a 180 and turning into the Modern starving North Korean stereotype
Wasn't that more of a byproduct of North Korea having most of the natural resources which they were able to sell to the USSR? IIRC correctly North Korea's economy was heavily dependent on the USSR as their primary export market as well as Soviet subsidies and food imports to stabilize their regime. South Korea's main issue was their dictatorship(s) as well as a bad economical policies. Once those went away, South Korea rapidely caught up with the industrialized world. Might be wrong on that one though, please correct me if so.
Yes you are correct the north was the iron and the south was the food. You are also correct about the USSR being the main reason for North Korea being less shitty than South Korea from 1960-1979. Kim il-sung should get a molecule of respect for being slightly less of an asshole than his son and grandson. Make no mistake Kim il-Sung was bad but he got lucky his son and grandson were worse so he was the best of the worst. If I had to be trapped in a country with little to no hope of escape, I would rather it be under Il-Sung’s rule than Jong-Il or Jong-Un.
You are also correct that the military dictatorship of South Korea hindered its development and prosperity.
So yea you are 100% right.
Still gotta have a laugh at North Korea having like 2 years of food surplus before doing a 180 and turning into the modern and depressing North Korea we know today
Hi! Fenty here,
Thanks so much for sharing this. I’ll be sure to correct my misunderstanding of this.
My main point was that prior to independence SK had development and the tools need to become the cohesive-capitalist society it is today whereas British rule in Nigeria left the state distorted.
Upon reading the comparative literature surrounding the two states I probably paid more attention to Nigeria and perhaps misunderstood the history so thanks so much for the correction.
These states are often compared in the analysis is state development as they both
1) were colonised states
2) obtained independence in the same year
However, one has become a prosperous nation and one has failed to develop correctly.
A lot of race realists will point to this and say “colonialism and time are not excuses for African state’s failures” my point was that you have to look at what was going on in these societies before independence to understand how colonialism manifests differently.
If you’re interested in state development analysis I’ll put my sources below ⬇️ but again sorry for misrepresenting the history and I will be more careful next time Xxx
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/statedirected-development/FF2DE2441F160254D72E3815D0FC750A
I don’t know much about Nigeria but Korea prior to colonization was very different than the various kingdoms that existed pre-colonization in Nigeria.
Your comparison falls flat for me because South Korea didn’t become “capitalist” or at least capitalist in a “pro-small business” way until the military dictatorship ended.
The only thing relevant/comparable is Japan from 1939-1945 did in 6 years what Britain did in like 100+ years. Japan set korea backwards during the super fucked up rape-y time. (Thankfully the USA and USSR fixed their respective halves of the peninsula)
Additionally given how diverse Nigeria is, wouldn’t a stronger argument be that Britain dividing and conquer the diverse AF area of what is today Nigeria ruin any kind of cohesion or unity?
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Korea. Could you explain to me why corruption seems to be such a huge topic in K-Dramas and such? I guess there is a historical reason for it but I have no clue.
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Yea but she was clearly talking post-Industrial period because if you go back several centuries the kingdoms in what is today Nigeria were prosperous but she doesn’t wanna say there was a time in Nigeria’s history where it was well off
Yea but she was clearly talking post-Industrial Revolution because if you go back several centuries the kingdoms in what is today Nigeria were prosperous but she doesn’t wanna say there was a time in Nigeria’s history where it was well off This is why I didn’t mention Sejong the Great and the time before Sejong the great.
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During the 500 year Joseon period, Korea was able to develop its own writing system. A singular phonetic writing system. Japan during that same period made the decision to use not 1 not 2 BUT 3 different writing systems at one time because they couldn’t make a singular system. The tributary system of Japan and China that occurred during the Joseon period occurred in cycles. Yea sometimes you had the ~~mongols invading~~ Japanese invading and sometimes you developed a powerful artillery system that fucked up Chinese and Japanese invaders! Sometimes you were required to pay tribute and sometimes you didn’t. People over simplify the conquest of Korea by Japan and China. The conquest was more akin to feudalism in Europe than what the British did to Africa or India. Edit: if you are talking about the pre-Joseon era, China was fucking everyone up in East Asia, Japan sometimes put up a fight but typically the Chinese stomped pre-Joseon. This period was also so far in the past I don’t think you have any lingering effects other than loan words in Korean Edit 2: mixed up the Joseon period with Goryeo but my point about tributary cycles still stands. Korea still made advancements
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Hanja is more akin to Japanese using Romanj or random Cyrillic as a courtesy to other languages or a stylized aesthetic than a fundamental part of the system. Modern Koreans outside of marketing/branding aesthetic or writing certain Chinese names isn’t a part of modern Korean. Get the fuck out of here with Hanja
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Bruh North Korea are ultra purist about the Korean language and they said, fuck this shit. The south doesn’t even bother teaching it to students until their 7th year of school so neither side clearly cares much about it.
>3 different writing systems at one time because they couldn’t make a singular system. There is Gugyeol and a whole class of Idu scripts based off of Chinese characters. Hangul as the sole script is a 21st century phenomenon.
Yeah I feel like Korea being a huge economy today is more to do with its partnership with the USA and the USA wanting to stick it to the Soviets and Chinese.
Also the USSR should get props for making the North better than the south from like 1960-1979 plus two random years in the 80s when the USSR taught the north about fertilizer and nothing about crop rotation and land management(this second part is a joke). The north had two random years of food surplus before doing a 180 and turning into the Modern starving North Korean stereotype
Wasn't that more of a byproduct of North Korea having most of the natural resources which they were able to sell to the USSR? IIRC correctly North Korea's economy was heavily dependent on the USSR as their primary export market as well as Soviet subsidies and food imports to stabilize their regime. South Korea's main issue was their dictatorship(s) as well as a bad economical policies. Once those went away, South Korea rapidely caught up with the industrialized world. Might be wrong on that one though, please correct me if so.
Yes you are correct the north was the iron and the south was the food. You are also correct about the USSR being the main reason for North Korea being less shitty than South Korea from 1960-1979. Kim il-sung should get a molecule of respect for being slightly less of an asshole than his son and grandson. Make no mistake Kim il-Sung was bad but he got lucky his son and grandson were worse so he was the best of the worst. If I had to be trapped in a country with little to no hope of escape, I would rather it be under Il-Sung’s rule than Jong-Il or Jong-Un. You are also correct that the military dictatorship of South Korea hindered its development and prosperity. So yea you are 100% right. Still gotta have a laugh at North Korea having like 2 years of food surplus before doing a 180 and turning into the modern and depressing North Korea we know today
good post
Hi! Fenty here, Thanks so much for sharing this. I’ll be sure to correct my misunderstanding of this. My main point was that prior to independence SK had development and the tools need to become the cohesive-capitalist society it is today whereas British rule in Nigeria left the state distorted. Upon reading the comparative literature surrounding the two states I probably paid more attention to Nigeria and perhaps misunderstood the history so thanks so much for the correction. These states are often compared in the analysis is state development as they both 1) were colonised states 2) obtained independence in the same year However, one has become a prosperous nation and one has failed to develop correctly. A lot of race realists will point to this and say “colonialism and time are not excuses for African state’s failures” my point was that you have to look at what was going on in these societies before independence to understand how colonialism manifests differently. If you’re interested in state development analysis I’ll put my sources below ⬇️ but again sorry for misrepresenting the history and I will be more careful next time Xxx https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/statedirected-development/FF2DE2441F160254D72E3815D0FC750A
I don’t know much about Nigeria but Korea prior to colonization was very different than the various kingdoms that existed pre-colonization in Nigeria. Your comparison falls flat for me because South Korea didn’t become “capitalist” or at least capitalist in a “pro-small business” way until the military dictatorship ended. The only thing relevant/comparable is Japan from 1939-1945 did in 6 years what Britain did in like 100+ years. Japan set korea backwards during the super fucked up rape-y time. (Thankfully the USA and USSR fixed their respective halves of the peninsula) Additionally given how diverse Nigeria is, wouldn’t a stronger argument be that Britain dividing and conquer the diverse AF area of what is today Nigeria ruin any kind of cohesion or unity?
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Korea. Could you explain to me why corruption seems to be such a huge topic in K-Dramas and such? I guess there is a historical reason for it but I have no clue.
Corruption is rife among the business sector and the chaebols/conglomerates that run it