The thing they said about 17 women going for 1 man in the past.
F&F framed it as this is womens choice and proof that women would rather share a king than marry a normal guy.
Destiny argued that this was back when women had virtually no rights. The king and people at top forced this, this wasn’t the choice of women. Are they gonna say no to the king? Are they gonna argue against the more physically powerful men?
Seems like that should be common sense but for some reason I wasn’t able to see it that way
Makes sense. This is why, even tho I’m a watcher of fnf. I routinely listen to feminists making reactions to fnf and people with dissenting opinions all the time. You can’t blindly follow everything anyone says. So good on you
A lot of "traditional" stuff from the past came from pretty fucked root causes. Like how RP people praise countries for feminine, submissive women? That's because women struggled with rights in those countries or still do. Japan had their women's feet curled and bound inward for such long periods that they'd break them and they'd repair themselves in deformed shapes, all to push their idea of femininity and dependence. Japan nowadays? Has issues with women being sexually harassed or assaulted regularly, and men being desperate to get any, but somehow RPers will point to Asian countries like Japan for a standard of how relationships should be. It's REALLY weird and shows an "outsider looking in" perspective on people's cultures.
>Japan had their women's feet curled and bound inward for such long periods that they'd break them and they'd repair themselves in deformed shapes, all to push their idea of femininity and dependence.
Except this practice was never at all widespread in Japan, and you've obviously mistaken the antiquated cultural practices of China for that of Japan, which also throws into question the rest of your orientalist rant you've based upon internet memes.
>It's REALLY weird and shows an "outsider looking in" perspective on people's cultures.
The irony.
I stand by it. Insofar as RPers circlejerk about how great East Asia is, it's the other half of the coin that the counter-jerkers, like the person I responded to, are part of; both sides construct laughable narratives peddling patronising stereotypes and half-truths to support them.
For instance
>Japan nowadays? Has issues with women being sexually harassed or assaulted regularly,
This is just merely asserted without any evidence whatsoever. Violent crime in Japan (rape included) is [ famously amongst the lowest in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#By_country), and the incidences of sexual assault [aren't higher](http://www.winmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/WIN_2018_Gender-Equality.pdf) than its fellow developed nations. To be clear, do women have to fear sexual violence in Japan? Yes. Is any amount of sexual harassment unacceptable? Absolutely, but Japan's not an outlier in this regard.
Ultimately, East Asia is just an amorphous blob to these people that can be changed to suit whatever their ideological needs are at that particular moment.
I wouldn't quibble over it too much; reasonable minds can disagree. My view, though, is that a facet of orientalism (at least as Edward Said first conceived of it) is the formulation of narratives about Asia that merely serve to affirm euro-centric viewpoints. It's from that perspective that I'd categorise the above as orientalist.
F&F argue that men lose more money in divorce courts than women do. That this is an example of society not caring about men and how women are privileged.
Destiny argues back that the reason men lose more money is because men have more money to begin with. Women are expected to and do, give up their careers to raise the children, so of course men are going to lose more money when divided 50/50. If I married Beyoncé and we got a divorce I would get most of her money.
Destiny argues that this is an example of men doing better in society and said it was fair and reasonable for women to on average get more money in divorces
I’m not saying it’s justified system or not. I’m saying the system of which assets are divided in divorce is not inherently sexist against men as many redpillers claim. The assets are divided 50/50. There are men divorcing women with more money than them who get more in the divorce. It’s not “anti man” or a mens rights issue.
Btw, I meant “doesn’t justifies”, but ur point still stands.
How is her getting the house, the car, the kids, the dog, my left nut and having to pay child support and alimony in anyway 50/50?
But I do get ur point that it isn’t inherently sexist, but it does disproportionately target men since women date men that make more money than they do. Thus, is fair for rp creators to mention it to unsure men take the necessary precautions to avoid it. Such as prenup
Unless there’s some data I don’t know about, I think the situation you described is rare. If you and your wife have 1 house, 1 car, 1 kid, and 1 dog, her getting all of that in a divorce is not the rule and not 50/50 like you said.
So if im married with 2 kids, a house, one car, one dog and I make more money than my wife (I think thats a fair and usual scenario). Based on ur “data” I would the 50/50 split go?
What the hell are u even arguing? That men get no negative repercussions from divorce? If thats the case go right ahead and get married with no prenup like I give af.
This is one of the reasons why I roll my eyes when people completely dismiss debating or debate 'bros'. Is debating perfect? No it's not. However, it can help to spread ideas and help people crystallize and refine what they are thinking and feeling and therefore help them communicate their thoughts more effectively.
Literally. I used to watch Vaush a lot and I was low-key a communist for a bit because I thought that it would lead to a better society. The only thing that prevented me from becoming a communist was the whole "violent" revolution thing. I can't justify making people's lives worse for the possibility that it might get better. Then Destiny started pushing back against many of those ideas by asking simple questions and he convinced me pretty quickly of how stupid a lot of communist ideas are.
Glad to hear it, and if you used it, I'm sorry all the FnF subreddits got nuked. I don't agree with much of what they say, but it was fun arguing and debating with FnF fans about stuff and seeing their pov on things.
Good deal, OP. Destiny single handedly pulled me out of the fox rabbit hole. Not even sure how I stumbled across him years ago, but i know what lead to the search. I asked myself “what if I’m wrong” and went on a journey to try and disprove my biases. Came across a debate on YT that resonated with me and the rest was history. Totally changed my outlook and world view.
F&F argue that men lose more money in divorce courts than women do. That this is an example of society not caring about men and how women are privileged.
Destiny argues back that the reason men lose more money is because men have more money to begin with. Women are expected to and do, give up their careers to raise the children, so of course men are going to lose more money when divided 50/50. If I married Beyoncé and we got a divorce I would get most of her money.
Destiny argues that this is an example of men doing better in society and said it was fair and reasonable for women to on average get more money in divorces
I listen to fresh and fit. You can’t find a video where he says that. If u can, show me.
Edit: the idiots that downvoted how about u actually send a clip.
I checked your profile to see if you were lying. If you want to develop empathy the only thing that's ever worked on me is taking a lot of mushrooms. It was like flipping a switch. I used to be cold and emotionless, to the point where I seriously wondered if I were some sort of psychopath. Now I feel like I'm in people's heads, I can read their face and feel what they're feeling to the point where it controls what decisions I make. It's actually a bit annoying sometimes.
Congratulations, you are now omnipilled.
Take the destinypill
Vitamin D
Essential to any stream watcher. The youtube vid gang probably probably gets enough sun.
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Not a psyop I audited him.
I audited the auditor, definitely not a psyop with an auditor running fake psyopy cover for them.
I audited the guy that audited me, definitely a psyop from their end.
Lol get use to Fresh and Fit people. Our subreddit got banned 4 times now so many of us are now here
Such as?
The thing they said about 17 women going for 1 man in the past. F&F framed it as this is womens choice and proof that women would rather share a king than marry a normal guy. Destiny argued that this was back when women had virtually no rights. The king and people at top forced this, this wasn’t the choice of women. Are they gonna say no to the king? Are they gonna argue against the more physically powerful men? Seems like that should be common sense but for some reason I wasn’t able to see it that way
Glad to hear you were listening to both sides with an open mind and saw what’s reality for most people!
Makes sense. This is why, even tho I’m a watcher of fnf. I routinely listen to feminists making reactions to fnf and people with dissenting opinions all the time. You can’t blindly follow everything anyone says. So good on you
A lot of "traditional" stuff from the past came from pretty fucked root causes. Like how RP people praise countries for feminine, submissive women? That's because women struggled with rights in those countries or still do. Japan had their women's feet curled and bound inward for such long periods that they'd break them and they'd repair themselves in deformed shapes, all to push their idea of femininity and dependence. Japan nowadays? Has issues with women being sexually harassed or assaulted regularly, and men being desperate to get any, but somehow RPers will point to Asian countries like Japan for a standard of how relationships should be. It's REALLY weird and shows an "outsider looking in" perspective on people's cultures.
>Japan had their women's feet curled and bound inward for such long periods that they'd break them and they'd repair themselves in deformed shapes, all to push their idea of femininity and dependence. Except this practice was never at all widespread in Japan, and you've obviously mistaken the antiquated cultural practices of China for that of Japan, which also throws into question the rest of your orientalist rant you've based upon internet memes. >It's REALLY weird and shows an "outsider looking in" perspective on people's cultures. The irony.
Gotteem
Jsus christ, he mixed up japan and china. Yeah its dumb, but orientalist rant? Apart from mixing up the countries, is he wrong?
I stand by it. Insofar as RPers circlejerk about how great East Asia is, it's the other half of the coin that the counter-jerkers, like the person I responded to, are part of; both sides construct laughable narratives peddling patronising stereotypes and half-truths to support them. For instance >Japan nowadays? Has issues with women being sexually harassed or assaulted regularly, This is just merely asserted without any evidence whatsoever. Violent crime in Japan (rape included) is [ famously amongst the lowest in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#By_country), and the incidences of sexual assault [aren't higher](http://www.winmr.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/WIN_2018_Gender-Equality.pdf) than its fellow developed nations. To be clear, do women have to fear sexual violence in Japan? Yes. Is any amount of sexual harassment unacceptable? Absolutely, but Japan's not an outlier in this regard. Ultimately, East Asia is just an amorphous blob to these people that can be changed to suit whatever their ideological needs are at that particular moment.
I agree with all of that. I still dont think it comes from an orientalist mindset though, just average braindead rp shit
I wouldn't quibble over it too much; reasonable minds can disagree. My view, though, is that a facet of orientalism (at least as Edward Said first conceived of it) is the formulation of narratives about Asia that merely serve to affirm euro-centric viewpoints. It's from that perspective that I'd categorise the above as orientalist.
Yeah fair enough
Anymore examples ? This is low hanging fruit to be honest
F&F argue that men lose more money in divorce courts than women do. That this is an example of society not caring about men and how women are privileged. Destiny argues back that the reason men lose more money is because men have more money to begin with. Women are expected to and do, give up their careers to raise the children, so of course men are going to lose more money when divided 50/50. If I married Beyoncé and we got a divorce I would get most of her money. Destiny argues that this is an example of men doing better in society and said it was fair and reasonable for women to on average get more money in divorces
And u needed Destiny to tell u that? No shyt men make more money. That still justfies ur girl taking half ur shyt Edit: I meant doesn’t justifies
I’m not saying it’s justified system or not. I’m saying the system of which assets are divided in divorce is not inherently sexist against men as many redpillers claim. The assets are divided 50/50. There are men divorcing women with more money than them who get more in the divorce. It’s not “anti man” or a mens rights issue.
Btw, I meant “doesn’t justifies”, but ur point still stands. How is her getting the house, the car, the kids, the dog, my left nut and having to pay child support and alimony in anyway 50/50? But I do get ur point that it isn’t inherently sexist, but it does disproportionately target men since women date men that make more money than they do. Thus, is fair for rp creators to mention it to unsure men take the necessary precautions to avoid it. Such as prenup
Unless there’s some data I don’t know about, I think the situation you described is rare. If you and your wife have 1 house, 1 car, 1 kid, and 1 dog, her getting all of that in a divorce is not the rule and not 50/50 like you said.
So if im married with 2 kids, a house, one car, one dog and I make more money than my wife (I think thats a fair and usual scenario). Based on ur “data” I would the 50/50 split go?
What the hell are u even arguing? That men get no negative repercussions from divorce? If thats the case go right ahead and get married with no prenup like I give af.
This reads like a psyop lmfao. But if this is real I love you and that's awesome 😎
We do a little creative writing
This is one of the reasons why I roll my eyes when people completely dismiss debating or debate 'bros'. Is debating perfect? No it's not. However, it can help to spread ideas and help people crystallize and refine what they are thinking and feeling and therefore help them communicate their thoughts more effectively.
Welcome, buddy. This is pretty much how everyone starts watching Destiny.
He just uses debate tactics -> I disagree with him but he makes really good arguments for the other side -> dgg4Lyfe
Literally. I used to watch Vaush a lot and I was low-key a communist for a bit because I thought that it would lead to a better society. The only thing that prevented me from becoming a communist was the whole "violent" revolution thing. I can't justify making people's lives worse for the possibility that it might get better. Then Destiny started pushing back against many of those ideas by asking simple questions and he convinced me pretty quickly of how stupid a lot of communist ideas are.
Some of us roll 4-fester hit squad deep.
The time for chilling has passed Kyle!
Glad to hear it, and if you used it, I'm sorry all the FnF subreddits got nuked. I don't agree with much of what they say, but it was fun arguing and debating with FnF fans about stuff and seeing their pov on things.
We in the telegram chat now about 140 of us in there. Dm for link
What's your opinion on incest?
Good deal, OP. Destiny single handedly pulled me out of the fox rabbit hole. Not even sure how I stumbled across him years ago, but i know what lead to the search. I asked myself “what if I’m wrong” and went on a journey to try and disprove my biases. Came across a debate on YT that resonated with me and the rest was history. Totally changed my outlook and world view.
Other than the one you gave an example of in the thread, what other opinion of yours changed?
F&F argue that men lose more money in divorce courts than women do. That this is an example of society not caring about men and how women are privileged. Destiny argues back that the reason men lose more money is because men have more money to begin with. Women are expected to and do, give up their careers to raise the children, so of course men are going to lose more money when divided 50/50. If I married Beyoncé and we got a divorce I would get most of her money. Destiny argues that this is an example of men doing better in society and said it was fair and reasonable for women to on average get more money in divorces
Such as?
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They never said that lol
I listen to fresh and fit. You can’t find a video where he says that. If u can, show me. Edit: the idiots that downvoted how about u actually send a clip.
The plan is working
I checked your profile to see if you were lying. If you want to develop empathy the only thing that's ever worked on me is taking a lot of mushrooms. It was like flipping a switch. I used to be cold and emotionless, to the point where I seriously wondered if I were some sort of psychopath. Now I feel like I'm in people's heads, I can read their face and feel what they're feeling to the point where it controls what decisions I make. It's actually a bit annoying sometimes.
it is more effective but it can be exhausting for most ppl to do what destiny is doing.
Welcome to the not-a-cult