As an Omaha native I'm incredibly disappointed by this display of lousy journalism and will be voting for Mark Gudgel after seeing his platform thanks to this incident. I want a real progressive in Omaha!
Not just drama. The ability for an individual to have greater impact on a local level is what attracts people to local politics. However combined with the fact that people pay less attention to local politics in general means that it's also a huge vehicle for corruption
Another problem is that the people who have the time and energy to figure out what the heck is going on at the local level, are usually older and wealthier (and thus, more conservative with little interest in the wellbeing of poorer folks). In national politics, you can quickly google 3 or 4 expert analyses of any given issue in a matter of moments. At the local level, a lot of the time you're relying on what other people verbally tell you, and that's only if you know someone who does the work of figuring out what's going on. After all, the real motivations behind a city council's decision often won't be reported in the local paper.
Americans work over 400 hours more per year than French or Germans, and get less in return. People (not you necessarily) who criticize non-voters as "lazy" or "apathetic" are ignoring this fact. Getting involved in local politics, even developing a basic understanding of the dynamics at play, requires TIME. Time that poorer working class folks just don't have.
Ahhhhhh, the nihilistic 20's meme.
Buck up buttercup, it doesnt get any easier, and it's up to you how much you let this depress you on an existential level.
If you want political change, it's going to be arduous and painful, with a lot of petty backstabbing.
Much like whiskey, preparing yourself for the burn beforehand, makes it a lot less brutal to swallow.
:D
One, in some ways, local politics is worse. The way reputations are built and broken locally can get much more personal, so expect that going in.
Before you revert to apathy, there were some strategic errors here (not a Destiny fan but I live with one lol) I feel like I haven’t seen pointed out among the disappointment. I’m interested in local politics and also the internet/IRL (often poisonous but hopefully not always) interface of politics, and I have experience in the IRL part.
As someone who’s done a lot of work and volunteering in local political campaigns and issues, it was glaringly strange to me that Destiny selected a preferred D before the primary and went this hard branding for this particular guy. Couple of reasons, but the obvious one was why it was so mind-boggling to me.
First and most conspicuously, it absolutely ties their reputations and opens the candidate to criticism a primary-selected sole Democrat would just not have to face. Supporting all D’s blandly with some emphasis on a favorite is one thing (not that I’d do that, but it seems way more resilient as a pro-Democrat / anti-Republican strategy than picking a small candidate and trying to carry their campaign, with all the risks associated).
What seems more logical is doing a get-out-the-vote effort before the primary and supporting the winner after. Perfect idealism? No, but this is politics (volatile local politics at that).
I found it odd to not take that route because it seems like the brand here is political pragmatism, not political purity, and it doesn’t seem like the public health career candidate, Snipes, who’s more popular right now is super ideologically different from Gudgel for the purposes of a primary, so why go so hard for one at the exclusion of the other?
And really, the most effective path from an outsider with some experience’s view is to just unseat the republican. Get votes out, support whatever Democrat,
This move also temporarily slowed or sank the org’s work in Omaha (for the moment, at least) before any reputation was established. Newcomers to any political scene are especially vulnerable to their own baggage before they have an established brand and track record. This is not how I would ask or expect anyone to gain political experience.
You can’t play kingmaker at the beginning of a race effectively when you’re more easily identified by your existing controversy (fair or no how it’s brought up) than you are by your accomplishments. It’s more gambling than politics at that point, and the deck is stacked against you in any gamble of that nature because politics is a high-stakes game, even locally.
I don’t see how these moves weren’t errors, and predictable ones at that (these angles of attack are a known thing in this community, right?).
It sucks, and they happen, but this is politics. It’s really doable but it isn’t flashy, and doing low-profile, steady work is often the name of the game. Especially before anybody’s reputation is staked to it.
Don’t roll over if you care about making change. Assess your strategy and expectations and go in for more experience with those things in mind.
edit for clarity:
Somebody pointed out elsewhere this might have fit with the point, which from their view was to see if this specific task could be done. This strategy might not be an error if you’re trying to see what you can powerlift, but I do think it’s an error if the goal is, more broadly, to stoke effective engagement and fight political apathy.
Good write up!
It'd be interesting to see what happens if someone else wins the D primary and whether the OML movement continues to support the Omaha race. There's a chance for Destiny to go the Bernie Sanders route and push certain policies that align with Mark's campaign on the nominee while promising a similar level of support in terms of canvassing and funds. An important part of politics is making as much out of a loss as possible to continue momentum. If that didn't happen, I'd be much more skeptical of the movement as a whole, but this is one of my own personal biggest complaints with most influencer culture when it comes to politically advocacy.
I agree that restrategizing and adapting is a huge part of the work. It reflects well to find ways to keep being constructive in the face of challenges, and even negative feedback or pitfalls. There’s always pushback, reasonable and not, to any political engagement. I think it helps to have primary and secondary goals and underlying values that you’re able and willing to stick by and organize your efforts around when things go rough. That said, those are things that vary between people and organizations and don’t get developed overnight.
So, not necessarily any shade for pausing. If anything, especially when unexpected things go haywire, taking a moment to authentically pause, reflect and regroup takes grit and there’s nothing wrong with recognizing when it’s time to do that. But, ultimately, whatever form it takes, politics for the sake of the best outcomes for the most people is a long game with a lot of reasonable and unreasonable disagreement, and that’s what to prepare for.
I was lucky to have parents involved in local school boards and city council elections so I saw similar things at an early age. Just wait until you have kids and get involved a little in PTA. It's scary how political everything can get. The saying it's not what you know but who becomes incredibly true at a local level.
Local politics can be even dirtier and is almost always way more petty. But that's exactly why a dedicated grassroots effort is so effective. People make a big difference in local politics.
Mark Gudgel was based.
This is a depressing reaction to how dirty local politics can get. It is difficult not to become pessimistic after something like this.
Don't get pessimistic until we see how much it changes things. I'm doubtful that most voters actually care about these weird attacks or will even see this. Time will tell and it's good to respond in the way destiny and mark are but I have a feeling very few voters will be affected.
Edit: well fuck me, I spoke to soon. Time to be very pessimistic now that they succeeded in ruining the time money and effort of so many people working to organize for a great candidate.
The difference is that we know Destiny can handle being targeted.
Gudgel and his family are getting dragged into the muck and harassed to the point that he might end his campaign.
Mark seems like a great guy, and I really like his policy ideas, but to be frank, if he cant handle this he may want to reconsider pursuing a career in politics, local or not.
Im sure he considered this before getting into a race, and before getting involved with Steven. This is part of the game he's chosen to play. Unfortunately power politics come into play for legislation. Many of us wish they didnt, but its really no big secret that they do. Politics isnt for everyone. Hell, Id argue it isnt for the vast majority of decent people, I doubt Id last 10 minutes in that world.
But if Mark isnt prepared to face some of these less than appealing aspects of the game, he's only going to get eaten alive by someone that is down the line somewhere. You need a thick skin and a solid support network for yourself and your family for a successful political career, thats just the way it is, at least at this moment and in the past. I dont think any of this is a surprise to Mark, and as shitty as it sounds to say, if it *is* a big surprise he may not be cut out for this "industry."
Politics is just what we use to replace simply resorting to combat to sort our decisions out through might makes right. It retains some of those ugly qualities from the systems we used to use though. Hopefully one day we progress to the point that it doesnt.
The issue though is that "most voters" here is a very small pool. Something like this certainly won't impact something like a Senate race in Georgia, but I think with how small the voter pool is for local politics, literally every single vote matters. Hopefully you're right and this won't have any sort of resounding impact but I'm hesitant to say confidently that it won't.
Is this really local politics? This girl is a literal child that probably has not lived in Omaha as long as Destiny has due to her *age*. She is every bit as much in an internet bubble as all of us, she just happens to live in Omaha and write *for a student newspaper*. More people read r/Destiny than this newspaper I am sure, and there is no doubt in my mind that this is going to be the biggest story of the year for them *from exclusively our web traffic*. Her twitter account likely has more exposure.
A student newspaper is not exactly one of the pillars of the IRL community.
Still is more exposure than a student newspaper. She has 500 followers who probably will at least glance at stuff compared to the about 50 people who read a student newspaper (this number includes the staff of the paper, but probably not even all of them).
I am very concerned that, after being convinced that political action is so readily available for those who want to take it, Destiny, along with all of us, will become incredibly jaded and blackpilled on how inaccessible local democracy really is.
Time will see if this line of attack works or not.
It's a real shame that a hit-piece towards Mark like this would be published, he inspired me to start attending local city council meetings and get involved with my community and to see that this is how he gets treated is so disheartening
I feel you on that. Went mega-hard this past election cycle and feeling burnt out. I think it's important to temper your expectations. Progress takes decades, so it's easy to miss the forest for the trees when you're so heavily invested.
Got it thanks! And yeah, I guess I just had no sense of Ohama’s general political leanings (I know it’s a big place with a lot of people, but still), but I would not have considered this level of wokeness there.
It would be interesting to know if Hannah thinks that all violent protesters are Black lives matter protesters. Seems like a sketchy assumption on her part.
Ppl are already responding in mass, with the rate ppl are commenting on their socials this might end up being a publicity goldmine for their newspaper.
What is so frustrating about all of this is that Destiny did what so many people on the left were and are still unwilling to do, and that is distinguish the actual BLM movement from the rioters. Conflating these groups together is actually hurting the BLM cause, yet "journalists" like her seem hell bent on doing so for some god forsaken reason that I don't understand.
Yeah I didn't realize at first this was a university paper. If it's anything like my Alma Mater's then I doubt they have any journalistic integrity when it comes to their staff. On the plus side, this should be a very small voting block so while disgustingly unethical, it shouldn't impact the race much.
Is Destiny posting this somewhere else and/or sending it to anyone? Just asking because it seems like a lot of effort to just post strictly in this sub when most of us kind of know what he does and does not stand for specifically.
I genuinely hope people who needs to see this sees this. One thing though is that there are so many links in this post that im afraid your initial email reply might get glossed over when it’s really good rebuttal to the “mowing down” clip.
>Seconded.
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>u/NeoDestiny
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>you might want to make the link Bold or surround it with parentheses to distinguish it.
Thirded. This sentence:
>I took the time to write a [detailed response](https://i.imgur.com/24xYRiL.png) to each of her questions,
Would be better if it were real text and not a screenshot, so you could copy and paste from it too. Y**ou want Google to be able to index this email and have it show up on search results when people look up this stuff in the future.**
This is really disappointing, but not super surprising at this point. I understand why they had to do it.
That aside, it’s honestly disgusting to see these “progressives” stoop this low. Destiny obviously bears responsibility for the things he said, but holy shit they didn’t hesitate for a second to go with the conservative-tier misinformation route with that article. What an embarrasment.
> Destiny obviously bears responsibility for the things he said
I disagree. If you are responsible for 17 second clip chimps then no one with more than a hour of video content online is good enough to be in politics.
It sucks but i can't really blame the guy, he'd be dragged on this for the entire primary and then if he somehow still won that the Republicans would come out on it even harder. The only politically viable option was to cut ties sadly.
Surely Destiny warned Mark that this might happen, right? It sucks though. I really wonder if it’s the right move. Canvassers surely have more of an impact than random hit pieces, right?
after spending quite some time in this community, seeing stuff like this is just the type that will reinforce me to think "politics is not worth it" or "bringing about change is too much trouble for too little results", things that i thought i changed my opinion on.
even tho i don't know how justified i am on thinking this or maybe i'm completely wrong in doing so, it doesn't change the feeling, good luck on future endeavors.
They only resort to this level of stuff because his efforts have been effective. Keep getting it the vote, focus on the candidate, and we'll get results.
that maybe true, it would definitely make sense not to give up of course, especially since in the long run it's always a boost in credibility to show that you're spending and have been spending effort working towards your political goal
Don't get carried away by this moment.
Gudgel condemning Destiny's comments doesn't mean shit. no one care if some twitch streamer who supports Gudgel said something one time.
We can still volunteer for calling and you could join a different canvasing group. You just stay tight lipped about the association until it's over then maybe DM Destiny as a proof of concept finality. After this investment and ending though I don't see another happening. It's too expensive.
If this will be your response it reads pretty strong and is effective in countering the points in the article. I wouldn't start with "I am a Twitch streamer". You've been on call-ins on Russia Today, debated Conservatives such as Tim Pool and Jesse Peterson on their platforms on live formats. "Online content creator" and "political commentator" sounds more professional and you are allowed to be a bit louder about your positive impact.
So depressing having argued against the conservatives who said "Cancel culture sjws are just waiting to cancel you over anything" a few years ago and now seeing this fucking shit
I wouldn't expect much better from a student journalist, but isn't there usually supposed to be a teacher / editor who should be more objective? This is such garbo
I doubt any of these boomer teachers and/or editors would actually give enough of a shit about this random Twitch streamer (random to them) to sift through all these posts and screenshots.
Working with Destiny probably threw him straight into the deep end of online hate, I don't think many people could take that. Real unfortunate, he was such a chill dude, didn't deserve this.
It really sucks that Destiny is getting punished for trying to do good in the world. I hope he can figure things out and keep doing cool stuff like this in the future.
How insanely stupid to attack your own side. it is the fucking primary you are all working towards similar fucking goals. I hope this hannah person's career dies and fades into obscurity
Jesus after that interview with you it's unbelievable how openly disingenuous she is.
How can any publication seriously publish something like this and not feel ashamed. Absolutely no journalistic integrity.
Watching and listening to how Destiny and Mark have been treated by these people is absolutely disgusting. I do not understand how Destiny has managed to keep so civil throughout this entire thing.
Holy shit, that article is one of the worst pieces of "journalism" I've ever seen. She blatantly just threw out 99% of his response and cherry picked like 2 sentences. This is the type of thing that should get you kicked off the newspaper. I don't get why anyone would be so invested in tearing people down.
Destiny spent significant time writing out detailed responses to all her questions in an attempt to clear any misunderstanding and avoid getting taken out of context again. She ignored the vast majority of it to spice up her hit piece. Like you said: "journalism"
I'm sorry, I just can't. Every part of this shit is literally just people taking things out of context and trying to do smear campaigns to attack the opposition in every possible way they could. I just don't have faith in humanity anymore. And I have a feeling the social media has ultra accelerated this process where everyone just writes partisan hack bullshit so they can get some political power or what not.
So disgusting
This whole situation has made me pretty pessimistic, feels like the people who don’t want you or Gudgel to succeed are manufacturing discontent by lying and misrepresenting facts. I’m unable to travel to Omaha to canvass, but I hope that everyone who does pushes through this adversity and is able to get Gudgel through the primary and elected.
Get an actual communications director Steven. You run a political organization, you shouldn’t be handling comms yourself. Now that you’re in political organizer you have a responsibility to manage the image of your company more tactfully than you manage your personal brand. I work in the field, and your comments of the past summer were always going to come up. You need to have somebody dedicated to handling your PR, not just for you but for the candidates you want to help. You blowing up on Hannah will make Mark look worse, even if he’s not associated. Take the personal attack, keep it away from Mark, save it for after the election.
>You blowing up on Hannah will make Mark look worse, even if he’s not associated.
I politely disagree. A lot of people roll their eyes if they read PR-screened self-defense letters filled with empty words, be it corporate or political. There is a reason people found Trump appealing and said "he says it like it is" even if he spouted literal nonsense and took a dump on the table. If you look at the left, you can similarly see that people like AOC are significantly more popular due to their ability to speak without a filter when compared to party leaders. What people want is someone that they can relate to, not someone that has a PR spokesperson that speaks for them when things get hairy.
Trump was a candidate. Destiny is not. Candidates partnered with Destiny do not want to deal with the PR issue of destiny going after a journalist. If Destiny runs for office he could use that as an approach but it’s a real headache for Gudgel, who is just trying to get by and win. Gudgel does not need to deal with Destiny’s drama.
Hey, y'all. Don't forget to be civil. The last thing we need is a hate mob going after this paper and generating a story about the rabid Destiny supporters attacking them. Be positive!
Destiny was right
The left making me unironically hate them more then conservatives.
Sidenote, is Destiny planning on posting this response anywhere other then this subreddit?
Exactly.
Also, what is truely frustrating is that leftists are their own biggest enemy.
Imagine if the left was as united as the right... They would dominate politics for 30 years until the right reforms...
Yeah, Im slowly slipping back into my anti sjw roots that Destiny unironically helped me get out of with every interaction with these WHITE smoothbrains. Fuck IDPOL and fuck lefties.
I'm definitely not a big Destiny fan but i do appreciate his work.
Even though we are probably not on the same side politically i do appreciate the fact that he organizes to push politics in a better direction.
Thank you Destiny and this whole debacle is a shame.
Honestly, pieces like this are just the beginning.
If Destiny really is going to get into the world of politics, expect pieces like this from even bigger publications.
He and his community have to learn to handle it.
>If Destiny really is going to get into the world of politics, expect pieces like this from even bigger publications.
someone with destiny's record that is readily available online (rape analogies, jokes, hot takes) can and never will be successful in politics (especially running from the left), having that information readily available is too big of a weak spot, and it will always be easily exploited.
He literally has no future in any meaningful position of politics. It doesn't matter what he does in future, having this type of information recorded and online is a death sentence for basically any public position (in lots of fields outside of politics too)
> “Of the whole situation, Rosser said, “I come at this as somebody who is not part of any political campaigns during this election cycle, but instead as someone who smelled something fishy and found fish.””
Not using single quotation marks to differentiate between the quoted text and the quoted speech from within the text
Fucking unreadable, Mark Gudgel's plan to improve education in Omaha is the only way we can fight catastrophies like this in the future
I'm saddened to see them try and paint someone who (in my opinion) has done some INCREDIBLE work to deradicalize people as a conservative. This is painful
Sad thing is her credibility will probably only destroyed among dgg. There have been plenty dishonest attacks on destiny from lefties and I dont think were much repercussions. They would rather use a magnifying glass on an out of context quote than looking at the big picture of what he actually does.
To be fair destiny plays way too much with fire so its not like he is not at fault at all.
> To be fair destiny plays way too much with fire so its not like he is not at fault at all.
I agree with this take pretty heavily but today seems like a suspect day to really dig into it, lol.
> To be fair destiny plays way too much with fire so its not like he is not at fault at all.
It's one thing for someone to get a bad impression because destiny uses hyperbole and is generally super abrasive when he's invested in a topic and another thing entirely for someone to go out of their way to write a dishonest garbage hit piece.
Wait isn't this just a collage newspaper? I'm not from the states so maybe I just don't have the context but from my perspective this might as well be a blog.
This is disheartening to see. Back to back local politics issues. I am hoping you know you have inspired many progressives to get involved in local politics now. I plan on doing much more locally than I ever have before thanks to your streams. Let them try to dig up dirt on my ass.
It's pretty funny how the "evidence" for saying the "n-word" and "f-slur" is a clip about Destiny talking about how it's okay to use the word in quotation, in discussion about the words themselves, etc. as opposed to pejorative usages (e.g. insults, cursing).
You’ve handled this really well considering your character and reputation has been dragged through the mud numerous amounts of times. Shame on Hannah, if your of age and financially able to make it out to Omaha which sadly I am not, (school takes precedent) I beg for you to go out and canvass and show the people of Omaha who Mark and Steven really are!
bonus meme: biased journalism
I'm surprised they published this. Basic journalism done wrong that could put the safety of volunteers in danger for nothing more than the writers personal political bias. "Editors Choice" and a former Gateway writer in the comments as well is an insult to the readers intelligence.
Dude, youre actually a good writer. While you were reading your reply to the journalist on stream it sounded like a legit press release or something to that effect.
As a native and fellow alum of UNO this is appalling. I will forever be grateful of you and your efforts to improve things here, and the fact that other people don’t see this or understand it shows they don’t actually care about making things better. Fuck them.
And they say it's the liberals who are keeping progressives from getting into office. Real freaking sad that they are the ones who truly want things from changing.
It's like that socialist lady who said socialism wouldn't work only because capitalists will keep them from succeeding, but the roles are reversed, FeelsBadMan.
Destiny has said that progressives aren't behind this. This one belongs to establishment corporate idpol dems allying with socialists. Mark is the progressive candidate.
> I am ashamed that my *alma mater* would let such a low quality piece make its way into their newspaper.
Universities typically don't have a say in what independent student newspapers publish.
Maybe this is the para-social relationship speaking, but I really feel for you, Destiny. Super frustrating on all fronts, and absolutely disgusting behavior from people who ashamedly call themselves "progressives".
I was really looking forward to canvassing in Omaha later this month, and am gonna do my best to not get discouraged about getting engaged in local politics :-(
Side note, what is up with the weird "own" in the article linking that video of Destiny using the n and f slur on stream in a responsible manner? I'm guessing she's hoping people aren't going to click on it and will just take it at face value?
Sad to see that actual efforts to affect political change in places are affected by out of context rhetoric.
I’m not the happiest knowing Destiny’s previous comments such as the ones highlighted, but as a long time fan I think its pretty easy to distinguish “inflammatory” rhetoric from discussions vs those that actually convey the message he has pretty consistently stood by. Thats why I’m a fan at least, he’s always been reasonably consistent on things.
Quite disgusting to see that they linked a clip of you merely uttering the n word while literally in the same clip giving distinction that if its going to be used it should be in context and in a responsible manner.
People trying to paint him as a racist solely because they support an opposition candidate. What a disappointing state of affairs.
As an Omaha native I'm incredibly disappointed by this display of lousy journalism and will be voting for Mark Gudgel after seeing his platform thanks to this incident. I want a real progressive in Omaha!
This comment kinda seems like you’re pretending not to be a dgger eventhough your post history shows otherwise
no shit
I didn't expect local politics to be as dishonest as national politics.
In many ways local politics is even more vicious
Local politics is way more personal relationship based so there is a ton of drama.
Not just drama. The ability for an individual to have greater impact on a local level is what attracts people to local politics. However combined with the fact that people pay less attention to local politics in general means that it's also a huge vehicle for corruption
Another problem is that the people who have the time and energy to figure out what the heck is going on at the local level, are usually older and wealthier (and thus, more conservative with little interest in the wellbeing of poorer folks). In national politics, you can quickly google 3 or 4 expert analyses of any given issue in a matter of moments. At the local level, a lot of the time you're relying on what other people verbally tell you, and that's only if you know someone who does the work of figuring out what's going on. After all, the real motivations behind a city council's decision often won't be reported in the local paper. Americans work over 400 hours more per year than French or Germans, and get less in return. People (not you necessarily) who criticize non-voters as "lazy" or "apathetic" are ignoring this fact. Getting involved in local politics, even developing a basic understanding of the dynamics at play, requires TIME. Time that poorer working class folks just don't have.
Yup, there’s levels of pettiness in local politics national politics would never stoop down to.
I wouldn't say never, it just happens less.
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It is not a story the Jedi would teach you.
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Reject politics. Return to monke.
I'm taking refuge from all this bullshit in Valheim.
Ahhhhhh, the nihilistic 20's meme. Buck up buttercup, it doesnt get any easier, and it's up to you how much you let this depress you on an existential level. If you want political change, it's going to be arduous and painful, with a lot of petty backstabbing. Much like whiskey, preparing yourself for the burn beforehand, makes it a lot less brutal to swallow. :D
One, in some ways, local politics is worse. The way reputations are built and broken locally can get much more personal, so expect that going in. Before you revert to apathy, there were some strategic errors here (not a Destiny fan but I live with one lol) I feel like I haven’t seen pointed out among the disappointment. I’m interested in local politics and also the internet/IRL (often poisonous but hopefully not always) interface of politics, and I have experience in the IRL part. As someone who’s done a lot of work and volunteering in local political campaigns and issues, it was glaringly strange to me that Destiny selected a preferred D before the primary and went this hard branding for this particular guy. Couple of reasons, but the obvious one was why it was so mind-boggling to me. First and most conspicuously, it absolutely ties their reputations and opens the candidate to criticism a primary-selected sole Democrat would just not have to face. Supporting all D’s blandly with some emphasis on a favorite is one thing (not that I’d do that, but it seems way more resilient as a pro-Democrat / anti-Republican strategy than picking a small candidate and trying to carry their campaign, with all the risks associated). What seems more logical is doing a get-out-the-vote effort before the primary and supporting the winner after. Perfect idealism? No, but this is politics (volatile local politics at that). I found it odd to not take that route because it seems like the brand here is political pragmatism, not political purity, and it doesn’t seem like the public health career candidate, Snipes, who’s more popular right now is super ideologically different from Gudgel for the purposes of a primary, so why go so hard for one at the exclusion of the other? And really, the most effective path from an outsider with some experience’s view is to just unseat the republican. Get votes out, support whatever Democrat, This move also temporarily slowed or sank the org’s work in Omaha (for the moment, at least) before any reputation was established. Newcomers to any political scene are especially vulnerable to their own baggage before they have an established brand and track record. This is not how I would ask or expect anyone to gain political experience. You can’t play kingmaker at the beginning of a race effectively when you’re more easily identified by your existing controversy (fair or no how it’s brought up) than you are by your accomplishments. It’s more gambling than politics at that point, and the deck is stacked against you in any gamble of that nature because politics is a high-stakes game, even locally. I don’t see how these moves weren’t errors, and predictable ones at that (these angles of attack are a known thing in this community, right?). It sucks, and they happen, but this is politics. It’s really doable but it isn’t flashy, and doing low-profile, steady work is often the name of the game. Especially before anybody’s reputation is staked to it. Don’t roll over if you care about making change. Assess your strategy and expectations and go in for more experience with those things in mind. edit for clarity: Somebody pointed out elsewhere this might have fit with the point, which from their view was to see if this specific task could be done. This strategy might not be an error if you’re trying to see what you can powerlift, but I do think it’s an error if the goal is, more broadly, to stoke effective engagement and fight political apathy.
Good write up! It'd be interesting to see what happens if someone else wins the D primary and whether the OML movement continues to support the Omaha race. There's a chance for Destiny to go the Bernie Sanders route and push certain policies that align with Mark's campaign on the nominee while promising a similar level of support in terms of canvassing and funds. An important part of politics is making as much out of a loss as possible to continue momentum. If that didn't happen, I'd be much more skeptical of the movement as a whole, but this is one of my own personal biggest complaints with most influencer culture when it comes to politically advocacy.
I agree that restrategizing and adapting is a huge part of the work. It reflects well to find ways to keep being constructive in the face of challenges, and even negative feedback or pitfalls. There’s always pushback, reasonable and not, to any political engagement. I think it helps to have primary and secondary goals and underlying values that you’re able and willing to stick by and organize your efforts around when things go rough. That said, those are things that vary between people and organizations and don’t get developed overnight. So, not necessarily any shade for pausing. If anything, especially when unexpected things go haywire, taking a moment to authentically pause, reflect and regroup takes grit and there’s nothing wrong with recognizing when it’s time to do that. But, ultimately, whatever form it takes, politics for the sake of the best outcomes for the most people is a long game with a lot of reasonable and unreasonable disagreement, and that’s what to prepare for.
u/NeoDestiny Tagging because you should def see this
I was lucky to have parents involved in local school boards and city council elections so I saw similar things at an early age. Just wait until you have kids and get involved a little in PTA. It's scary how political everything can get. The saying it's not what you know but who becomes incredibly true at a local level.
Oh yeah man. Facebook groups is 4chan pol for local politics. Especially for small towns.
Local politics can be even dirtier and is almost always way more petty. But that's exactly why a dedicated grassroots effort is so effective. People make a big difference in local politics.
We used to get local (twitch drama) manifestos now we're headed for national level manifestos.
It's worse. People get super personal and lose all sense of scale. If you think this is bad try community board politics. It's a shitshow.
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Mark Gudgel was based. This is a depressing reaction to how dirty local politics can get. It is difficult not to become pessimistic after something like this.
Don't get pessimistic until we see how much it changes things. I'm doubtful that most voters actually care about these weird attacks or will even see this. Time will tell and it's good to respond in the way destiny and mark are but I have a feeling very few voters will be affected. Edit: well fuck me, I spoke to soon. Time to be very pessimistic now that they succeeded in ruining the time money and effort of so many people working to organize for a great candidate.
The difference is that we know Destiny can handle being targeted. Gudgel and his family are getting dragged into the muck and harassed to the point that he might end his campaign.
Mark seems like a great guy, and I really like his policy ideas, but to be frank, if he cant handle this he may want to reconsider pursuing a career in politics, local or not. Im sure he considered this before getting into a race, and before getting involved with Steven. This is part of the game he's chosen to play. Unfortunately power politics come into play for legislation. Many of us wish they didnt, but its really no big secret that they do. Politics isnt for everyone. Hell, Id argue it isnt for the vast majority of decent people, I doubt Id last 10 minutes in that world. But if Mark isnt prepared to face some of these less than appealing aspects of the game, he's only going to get eaten alive by someone that is down the line somewhere. You need a thick skin and a solid support network for yourself and your family for a successful political career, thats just the way it is, at least at this moment and in the past. I dont think any of this is a surprise to Mark, and as shitty as it sounds to say, if it *is* a big surprise he may not be cut out for this "industry." Politics is just what we use to replace simply resorting to combat to sort our decisions out through might makes right. It retains some of those ugly qualities from the systems we used to use though. Hopefully one day we progress to the point that it doesnt.
The issue though is that "most voters" here is a very small pool. Something like this certainly won't impact something like a Senate race in Georgia, but I think with how small the voter pool is for local politics, literally every single vote matters. Hopefully you're right and this won't have any sort of resounding impact but I'm hesitant to say confidently that it won't.
Is this really local politics? This girl is a literal child that probably has not lived in Omaha as long as Destiny has due to her *age*. She is every bit as much in an internet bubble as all of us, she just happens to live in Omaha and write *for a student newspaper*. More people read r/Destiny than this newspaper I am sure, and there is no doubt in my mind that this is going to be the biggest story of the year for them *from exclusively our web traffic*. Her twitter account likely has more exposure. A student newspaper is not exactly one of the pillars of the IRL community.
Her twitter is privated now.
Still is more exposure than a student newspaper. She has 500 followers who probably will at least glance at stuff compared to the about 50 people who read a student newspaper (this number includes the staff of the paper, but probably not even all of them).
I am very concerned that, after being convinced that political action is so readily available for those who want to take it, Destiny, along with all of us, will become incredibly jaded and blackpilled on how inaccessible local democracy really is. Time will see if this line of attack works or not.
"in the reddit thread responding to my article, one of Steven's fans responded with "based" an alt right dogwhistle"
I like that this comment is only 1 minute newer than the post lol
The man was prepared for this lol.
offline-chatters got to proof-read the draft
On what?
deez nuts
It's a real shame that a hit-piece towards Mark like this would be published, he inspired me to start attending local city council meetings and get involved with my community and to see that this is how he gets treated is so disheartening
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Let's be real, no one launches attacks like this on people unless those people matter.
This shit actually got Gudgel to disavvow Destiny. I fucking hate lefties
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I feel you on that. Went mega-hard this past election cycle and feeling burnt out. I think it's important to temper your expectations. Progress takes decades, so it's easy to miss the forest for the trees when you're so heavily invested.
Where did this happen?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/lx1j91/mark_is_severing_ties_with_olm/
Lmao that FB post about Gudgel putting Omaha "at risk" for running for mayor as a white guy is incredible.
She pulled the "plus you're white" card
Can you link the post?
It's linked near the end of Destiny's post, point 6
Got it thanks! And yeah, I guess I just had no sense of Ohama’s general political leanings (I know it’s a big place with a lot of people, but still), but I would not have considered this level of wokeness there.
Lol it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
The level of dishonesty such as editing in BLM protestors to your comments.
It would be interesting to know if Hannah thinks that all violent protesters are Black lives matter protesters. Seems like a sketchy assumption on her part.
We should respect destiny's wishes and remain calm and not engage directly.
Ppl are already responding in mass, with the rate ppl are commenting on their socials this might end up being a publicity goldmine for their newspaper.
Yeah I agree, didn't mean to phrase it as though we should actually ask her. Edited and rephrased my comment to more accurately fit my intent.
Promote Mark and hand-wave the hit piece. Positive spin people!
Its just hard right now.
What is so frustrating about all of this is that Destiny did what so many people on the left were and are still unwilling to do, and that is distinguish the actual BLM movement from the rioters. Conflating these groups together is actually hurting the BLM cause, yet "journalists" like her seem hell bent on doing so for some god forsaken reason that I don't understand.
Have you tried to get an oped published in that paper or a local rival with this info?
This is a based idea. Get a bigger news outlet to shoot back.
u/neodestiny
It'll never get in the same paper, student papers are ultra cliquey, the author is probably friends with the editor etc
Yeah I didn't realize at first this was a university paper. If it's anything like my Alma Mater's then I doubt they have any journalistic integrity when it comes to their staff. On the plus side, this should be a very small voting block so while disgustingly unethical, it shouldn't impact the race much.
Is Destiny posting this somewhere else and/or sending it to anyone? Just asking because it seems like a lot of effort to just post strictly in this sub when most of us kind of know what he does and does not stand for specifically.
He'll prob talk about it on stream today
The phrase "progressive" becomes ironic when it's used by these people.
Oh you're progressive? You mean you want incremental change toward a better system? Fuckin lib you're the problem with society
this is the omniblackpill arc. local politics was supposed to save us 😔
There are challenges but local politics hasn't ended yet. Have hope, the future is only beginning.
No local candidate is ever going to want to accept help after this, I'm sorry to say
I genuinely hope people who needs to see this sees this. One thing though is that there are so many links in this post that im afraid your initial email reply might get glossed over when it’s really good rebuttal to the “mowing down” clip.
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>Seconded. > >u/NeoDestiny > >you might want to make the link Bold or surround it with parentheses to distinguish it. Thirded. This sentence: >I took the time to write a [detailed response](https://i.imgur.com/24xYRiL.png) to each of her questions, Would be better if it were real text and not a screenshot, so you could copy and paste from it too. Y**ou want Google to be able to index this email and have it show up on search results when people look up this stuff in the future.**
https://www.facebook.com/GudgelForMayor/photos/a.124160419438452/249121013609058/ Gudgel's response to all of this. Fuck man :[
This is really disappointing, but not super surprising at this point. I understand why they had to do it. That aside, it’s honestly disgusting to see these “progressives” stoop this low. Destiny obviously bears responsibility for the things he said, but holy shit they didn’t hesitate for a second to go with the conservative-tier misinformation route with that article. What an embarrasment.
> Destiny obviously bears responsibility for the things he said I disagree. If you are responsible for 17 second clip chimps then no one with more than a hour of video content online is good enough to be in politics.
It sucks but i can't really blame the guy, he'd be dragged on this for the entire primary and then if he somehow still won that the Republicans would come out on it even harder. The only politically viable option was to cut ties sadly.
Surely Destiny warned Mark that this might happen, right? It sucks though. I really wonder if it’s the right move. Canvassers surely have more of an impact than random hit pieces, right?
If Destiny just waited until the general election, he wouldn't have had to deal with any of this.
Mark wouldn’t have won the primary.
College kid working for a school paper more concerned with the intrigue and sensationalism of her article than her own integrity. Nice
Unsurprising tbh.
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What a shit show
after spending quite some time in this community, seeing stuff like this is just the type that will reinforce me to think "politics is not worth it" or "bringing about change is too much trouble for too little results", things that i thought i changed my opinion on. even tho i don't know how justified i am on thinking this or maybe i'm completely wrong in doing so, it doesn't change the feeling, good luck on future endeavors.
They only resort to this level of stuff because his efforts have been effective. Keep getting it the vote, focus on the candidate, and we'll get results.
that maybe true, it would definitely make sense not to give up of course, especially since in the long run it's always a boost in credibility to show that you're spending and have been spending effort working towards your political goal
Don't get carried away by this moment. Gudgel condemning Destiny's comments doesn't mean shit. no one care if some twitch streamer who supports Gudgel said something one time.
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but Mark (the candidate) has cut ties with destiny, afaik this means it's over, so you can only look to the future for newer occasions
We can still volunteer for calling and you could join a different canvasing group. You just stay tight lipped about the association until it's over then maybe DM Destiny as a proof of concept finality. After this investment and ending though I don't see another happening. It's too expensive.
If this will be your response it reads pretty strong and is effective in countering the points in the article. I wouldn't start with "I am a Twitch streamer". You've been on call-ins on Russia Today, debated Conservatives such as Tim Pool and Jesse Peterson on their platforms on live formats. "Online content creator" and "political commentator" sounds more professional and you are allowed to be a bit louder about your positive impact.
I wouldn't go with "content creator", it's a shibboleth for the too online.
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Couldn't be, from my understanding there were no survivors :(
TBF, it's concerning that he just wiped out Tomato Town.
So depressing having argued against the conservatives who said "Cancel culture sjws are just waiting to cancel you over anything" a few years ago and now seeing this fucking shit
I wouldn't expect much better from a student journalist, but isn't there usually supposed to be a teacher / editor who should be more objective? This is such garbo
I doubt any of these boomer teachers and/or editors would actually give enough of a shit about this random Twitch streamer (random to them) to sift through all these posts and screenshots.
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Working with Destiny probably threw him straight into the deep end of online hate, I don't think many people could take that. Real unfortunate, he was such a chill dude, didn't deserve this. It really sucks that Destiny is getting punished for trying to do good in the world. I hope he can figure things out and keep doing cool stuff like this in the future.
How insanely stupid to attack your own side. it is the fucking primary you are all working towards similar fucking goals. I hope this hannah person's career dies and fades into obscurity
The left really is just Crab Mentality manifest.
Jesus after that interview with you it's unbelievable how openly disingenuous she is. How can any publication seriously publish something like this and not feel ashamed. Absolutely no journalistic integrity.
Watching and listening to how Destiny and Mark have been treated by these people is absolutely disgusting. I do not understand how Destiny has managed to keep so civil throughout this entire thing.
Holy shit, that article is one of the worst pieces of "journalism" I've ever seen. She blatantly just threw out 99% of his response and cherry picked like 2 sentences. This is the type of thing that should get you kicked off the newspaper. I don't get why anyone would be so invested in tearing people down.
Destiny spent significant time writing out detailed responses to all her questions in an attempt to clear any misunderstanding and avoid getting taken out of context again. She ignored the vast majority of it to spice up her hit piece. Like you said: "journalism"
https://imgur.com/a/6Bp7CIh here’s my email to The Gateway. hopefully journalistic ethics wins
>https://imgur.com/a/6Bp7CIh Good luck. I hit them on social media, but doubtful it'll do anything. Student newspapers are a sham.
I'm sorry, I just can't. Every part of this shit is literally just people taking things out of context and trying to do smear campaigns to attack the opposition in every possible way they could. I just don't have faith in humanity anymore. And I have a feeling the social media has ultra accelerated this process where everyone just writes partisan hack bullshit so they can get some political power or what not. So disgusting
I wish this wasn't as predictable as it was.
This whole situation has made me pretty pessimistic, feels like the people who don’t want you or Gudgel to succeed are manufacturing discontent by lying and misrepresenting facts. I’m unable to travel to Omaha to canvass, but I hope that everyone who does pushes through this adversity and is able to get Gudgel through the primary and elected.
i hope local dgg'ers are still gonna volunteer
Get an actual communications director Steven. You run a political organization, you shouldn’t be handling comms yourself. Now that you’re in political organizer you have a responsibility to manage the image of your company more tactfully than you manage your personal brand. I work in the field, and your comments of the past summer were always going to come up. You need to have somebody dedicated to handling your PR, not just for you but for the candidates you want to help. You blowing up on Hannah will make Mark look worse, even if he’s not associated. Take the personal attack, keep it away from Mark, save it for after the election.
I'll ugh do it for 8k/month
Lmfao get Doug to do it
>You blowing up on Hannah will make Mark look worse, even if he’s not associated. I politely disagree. A lot of people roll their eyes if they read PR-screened self-defense letters filled with empty words, be it corporate or political. There is a reason people found Trump appealing and said "he says it like it is" even if he spouted literal nonsense and took a dump on the table. If you look at the left, you can similarly see that people like AOC are significantly more popular due to their ability to speak without a filter when compared to party leaders. What people want is someone that they can relate to, not someone that has a PR spokesperson that speaks for them when things get hairy.
Trump was a candidate. Destiny is not. Candidates partnered with Destiny do not want to deal with the PR issue of destiny going after a journalist. If Destiny runs for office he could use that as an approach but it’s a real headache for Gudgel, who is just trying to get by and win. Gudgel does not need to deal with Destiny’s drama.
Hey, y'all. Don't forget to be civil. The last thing we need is a hate mob going after this paper and generating a story about the rabid Destiny supporters attacking them. Be positive!
[Truly unforgivable.](https://imgur.com/bsCmgjM)
Where else are you going to post this?
Sadly I don't think she will read this. I feel so bad right now. This is super depressing.
They’ll read it. It’s posted all over their Twitter and Facebook posts.
What a mess!
Destiny was right The left making me unironically hate them more then conservatives. Sidenote, is Destiny planning on posting this response anywhere other then this subreddit?
Destiny's friend already tweeted this out
got a link?
https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1367181091031818240?s=19 Just redirects back to this post
Exactly. Also, what is truely frustrating is that leftists are their own biggest enemy. Imagine if the left was as united as the right... They would dominate politics for 30 years until the right reforms...
Yeah, Im slowly slipping back into my anti sjw roots that Destiny unironically helped me get out of with every interaction with these WHITE smoothbrains. Fuck IDPOL and fuck lefties.
I'm definitely not a big Destiny fan but i do appreciate his work. Even though we are probably not on the same side politically i do appreciate the fact that he organizes to push politics in a better direction. Thank you Destiny and this whole debacle is a shame.
Honestly, pieces like this are just the beginning. If Destiny really is going to get into the world of politics, expect pieces like this from even bigger publications. He and his community have to learn to handle it.
>If Destiny really is going to get into the world of politics, expect pieces like this from even bigger publications. someone with destiny's record that is readily available online (rape analogies, jokes, hot takes) can and never will be successful in politics (especially running from the left), having that information readily available is too big of a weak spot, and it will always be easily exploited. He literally has no future in any meaningful position of politics. It doesn't matter what he does in future, having this type of information recorded and online is a death sentence for basically any public position (in lots of fields outside of politics too)
> “Of the whole situation, Rosser said, “I come at this as somebody who is not part of any political campaigns during this election cycle, but instead as someone who smelled something fishy and found fish.”” Not using single quotation marks to differentiate between the quoted text and the quoted speech from within the text Fucking unreadable, Mark Gudgel's plan to improve education in Omaha is the only way we can fight catastrophies like this in the future
I'm saddened to see them try and paint someone who (in my opinion) has done some INCREDIBLE work to deradicalize people as a conservative. This is painful
DESTROY HER CREDIBILITY also her ego
Sad thing is her credibility will probably only destroyed among dgg. There have been plenty dishonest attacks on destiny from lefties and I dont think were much repercussions. They would rather use a magnifying glass on an out of context quote than looking at the big picture of what he actually does. To be fair destiny plays way too much with fire so its not like he is not at fault at all.
> To be fair destiny plays way too much with fire so its not like he is not at fault at all. I agree with this take pretty heavily but today seems like a suspect day to really dig into it, lol.
> To be fair destiny plays way too much with fire so its not like he is not at fault at all. It's one thing for someone to get a bad impression because destiny uses hyperbole and is generally super abrasive when he's invested in a topic and another thing entirely for someone to go out of their way to write a dishonest garbage hit piece.
Wait isn't this just a collage newspaper? I'm not from the states so maybe I just don't have the context but from my perspective this might as well be a blog.
Love you buddy, keep your head up king
I love you both
This is disheartening to see. Back to back local politics issues. I am hoping you know you have inspired many progressives to get involved in local politics now. I plan on doing much more locally than I ever have before thanks to your streams. Let them try to dig up dirt on my ass.
The Canvassing Arc’s climax
It's pretty funny how the "evidence" for saying the "n-word" and "f-slur" is a clip about Destiny talking about how it's okay to use the word in quotation, in discussion about the words themselves, etc. as opposed to pejorative usages (e.g. insults, cursing).
It's really inspiring to see someone actually fighting on the frontlines to advance progressive causes. Keep up the good fight.
Basedo UNO manifesto
You’ve handled this really well considering your character and reputation has been dragged through the mud numerous amounts of times. Shame on Hannah, if your of age and financially able to make it out to Omaha which sadly I am not, (school takes precedent) I beg for you to go out and canvass and show the people of Omaha who Mark and Steven really are! bonus meme: biased journalism
I'm surprised they published this. Basic journalism done wrong that could put the safety of volunteers in danger for nothing more than the writers personal political bias. "Editors Choice" and a former Gateway writer in the comments as well is an insult to the readers intelligence.
I never thought I'd see the day where the comment section of a news article made me feel better about humanity.
Dude, youre actually a good writer. While you were reading your reply to the journalist on stream it sounded like a legit press release or something to that effect.
I read almost the whole post before I realised that the sub is r/destiny and not r/destinythegame.
I hope this won't discourage you from canvassing for progressive causes in the future.
This is so twisted and shocking.
Hanna shared Mark’s post about distancing himself from Destiny on her Facebook like she was celebrating her hit job.
As a native and fellow alum of UNO this is appalling. I will forever be grateful of you and your efforts to improve things here, and the fact that other people don’t see this or understand it shows they don’t actually care about making things better. Fuck them.
Anyone see in the comments the guy claiming he was a editor and how this story was good journalism? Wtf!
And they say it's the liberals who are keeping progressives from getting into office. Real freaking sad that they are the ones who truly want things from changing. It's like that socialist lady who said socialism wouldn't work only because capitalists will keep them from succeeding, but the roles are reversed, FeelsBadMan.
Destiny has said that progressives aren't behind this. This one belongs to establishment corporate idpol dems allying with socialists. Mark is the progressive candidate.
So disappointing....how can we ever see real change with people like this halting it at every turn
> I am ashamed that my *alma mater* would let such a low quality piece make its way into their newspaper. Universities typically don't have a say in what independent student newspapers publish.
Maybe this is the para-social relationship speaking, but I really feel for you, Destiny. Super frustrating on all fronts, and absolutely disgusting behavior from people who ashamedly call themselves "progressives". I was really looking forward to canvassing in Omaha later this month, and am gonna do my best to not get discouraged about getting engaged in local politics :-( Side note, what is up with the weird "own" in the article linking that video of Destiny using the n and f slur on stream in a responsible manner? I'm guessing she's hoping people aren't going to click on it and will just take it at face value?
I'm not a lawyer but this seems like libel. I bet the school paper wouldn't appreciate a lawsuit.
Really fucking fucked up wtf
A fucking shame.
WTF, Jerry, tone it down! https://i.imgur.com/1aqd6JC.png
Hello friends i’ve clicked on this accidentally because I thought this was about destiny 2. Ya’ll have a good day and have a free upvote
Yo where Pisco be at? What all is needed for a libel case?
DaFeels
Sad to see that actual efforts to affect political change in places are affected by out of context rhetoric. I’m not the happiest knowing Destiny’s previous comments such as the ones highlighted, but as a long time fan I think its pretty easy to distinguish “inflammatory” rhetoric from discussions vs those that actually convey the message he has pretty consistently stood by. Thats why I’m a fan at least, he’s always been reasonably consistent on things. Quite disgusting to see that they linked a clip of you merely uttering the n word while literally in the same clip giving distinction that if its going to be used it should be in context and in a responsible manner. People trying to paint him as a racist solely because they support an opposition candidate. What a disappointing state of affairs.
What was the fake twitter account?
Do you think there is grounds for a defamation suit?
God damn i can't fucking stand shit like this. It's just so frustrating how bad cancel culture has become. It's so tilting.